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Gort
02-12-2011, 10:53 AM
I just had to post this... :~ohyah!:

Opening on Tax Day 2011.

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Pony Boy
02-12-2011, 11:05 AM
I hate to be a party pooper but but Tax Day is April 18th this year.....

Because Friday, April 15, is Emancipation Day, a holiday observed in the District of Columbia. By law, says the Internal Revenue Service, official District of Columbia holidays have the same effect on tax deadlines as do regular federal holidays.
That means tax day 2011 gets pushed back to the next business day, which is Monday, April 18.

Gort
02-12-2011, 11:09 AM
I hate to be a party pooper but but Tax Day is April 18th this year.....

Because Friday, April 15, is Emancipation Day, a holiday observed in the District of Columbia. By law, says the Internal Revenue Service, official District of Columbia holidays have the same effect on tax deadlines as do regular federal holidays.
That means tax day 2011 gets pushed back to the next business day, which is Monday, April 18.

it's still tax day even if the filing deadline is extended until the next business day. in 1955 the official filing deadline was changed to April 15, unless that falls on a weekend or holiday, but i've always been under the impression that the colloquial term "tax day" refers to April 15th, whether the filing deadline is that day or not.

rugbythug
02-12-2011, 11:19 AM
I will crawl out of my hole to watch that.

Pony Boy
02-12-2011, 11:21 AM
it's still tax day even if the filing deadline is extended until the next business day. in 1955 the official filing deadline was changed to April 15, unless that falls on a weekend or holiday, but i've always been under the impression that the colloquial term "tax day" refers to April 15th, whether the filing deadline is that day or not.

Just yanking your chain a little....:~ohyah!:

Cito Pelon
02-12-2011, 01:34 PM
I love tax day. I don't cry and whine about the taxes I pay. I consider it a privilege to pay my taxes as a citizen of the USA. I enjoy paying my taxes to keep this a first world country. It certainly is not an onerous burden.

It's sad the richest among us US citizens, the folks that have reaped the rewards of living in the US, try to hide from paying their taxes. They want everybody else to pay, but not them.

rugbythug
02-12-2011, 02:07 PM
I love tax day. I don't cry and whine about the taxes I pay. I consider it a privilege to pay my taxes as a citizen of the USA. I enjoy paying my taxes to keep this a first world country. It certainly is not an onerous burden.

It's sad the richest among us US citizens, the folks that have reaped the rewards of living in the US, try to hide from paying their taxes. They want everybody else to pay, but not them.

This makes me chuckle.

BarefootKicker
02-12-2011, 02:52 PM
that trailer proves why conservatives shouldn't make movies.

Cito Pelon
02-12-2011, 03:01 PM
This makes me chuckle.

I thought it might have provoked more than a chuckle.

tsiguy96
02-12-2011, 03:05 PM
I love tax day. I don't cry and whine about the taxes I pay. I consider it a privilege to pay my taxes as a citizen of the USA. I enjoy paying my taxes to keep this a first world country. It certainly is not an onerous burden.

It's sad the richest among us US citizens, the folks that have reaped the rewards of living in the US, try to hide from paying their taxes. They want everybody else to pay, but not them.

an even better idea would to minimize wasteful spending and take the tax burden off the citizens :)

Cito Pelon
02-12-2011, 03:27 PM
an even better idea would to minimize wasteful spending and take the tax burden off the citizens :)

Oh, there's plenty of wasteful spending. Trouble is, how do you get these politicians to make cuts in their own yard?

There's been plenty of proposals to make a 10% cut across the board, but someone on some committee always shuts it down.

tsiguy96
02-12-2011, 03:50 PM
Oh, there's plenty of wasteful spending. Trouble is, how do you get these politicians to make cuts in their own yard?

There's been plenty of proposals to make a 10% cut across the board, but someone on some committee always shuts it down.

thats my issue, if they got rid of wasteful ridiculous spending, tax burden on people that dont have money drops considerably. it will never happen though, give someone power and money to spend and they become blind to the real consequences.

ZachKC
02-12-2011, 03:50 PM
Great book and all but that movie looks dreadful.

ZachKC
02-12-2011, 03:51 PM
thats my issue, if they got rid of wasteful ridiculous spending, tax burden on people that dont have money drops considerably. it will never happen though, give someone power and money to spend and they become blind to the real consequences.

Oh man, sounds like you got it all figured out.

rugbythug
02-12-2011, 04:29 PM
thats my issue, if they got rid of wasteful ridiculous spending, tax burden on people that dont have money drops considerably. it will never happen though, give someone power and money to spend and they become blind to the real consequences.

That's Laughable. People who don't have money don't pay taxes. They don't have money.

rugbythug
02-12-2011, 04:29 PM
I thought it might have provoked more than a chuckle.

OK you got me more of a Guffaw

Cito Pelon
02-12-2011, 05:37 PM
thats my issue, if they got rid of wasteful ridiculous spending, tax burden on people that dont have money drops considerably. it will never happen though, give someone power and money to spend and they become blind to the real consequences.

True.

Cito Pelon
02-12-2011, 05:51 PM
OK you got me more of a Guffaw

Hey, people have to pay their taxes, that's what makes us a first world country. It's pretty clear the line between first world countries and second or third world countries.

A first world country, people pay their taxes for the common good. If they don't want to pay their taxes they get prosecuted or they can move to a third world country.

sisterhellfyre
02-12-2011, 06:05 PM
that trailer proves why conservatives shouldn't make movies.

Interesting clip. There's enough conflict and plenty of drama to make a good movie. I figure (and hope) they'll leave out the 100-page philosophy monologues. The real question will be if the screenwriters can bring enough depth to characters who are, essentially, cardboard cutouts in a heavy-handed morality play.

Seeing Armin Shimerman cast as one of the federal regulators doesn't look promising. Looks to me like the script may go too far into stereotype and caricature, and that will sink whatever story they've distilled from the 1000-page book.

I'll give it a chance because I actually like the book enough to read it again every few years, but I'm already wary of this thing collapsing under its own weight just like the Taggart railroad bridge.

cutthemdown
02-12-2011, 07:24 PM
This makes me chuckle.

I know the rich people pay almost all the tax. You can fudge % and say man i pay a higher % of my overall then this rich guy, but the rich guy made 10 million. He still paid more tax in the you will in your life.

It's amazing anyone could be happy that you get taxed on everything. It's amazing how much of our money goes to tax, insurance, fee's, fines, service charges. You earn money you pay tax, you spend money you pay tax, its a double **** places like calif with 10 sales tax.

cutthemdown
02-12-2011, 07:26 PM
That's Laughable. People who don't have money don't pay taxes. They don't have money.

its true some rich people cheat on taxes, but even still they paid more then we ever will. It's more about so many people paying nothing. The slackers like me need to get going! :)

Cito Pelon
02-12-2011, 07:55 PM
I know the rich people pay almost all the tax. You can fudge % and say man i pay a higher % of my overall then this rich guy, but the rich guy made 10 million. He still paid more tax in the you will in your life.

It's amazing anyone could be happy that you get taxed on everything. It's amazing how much of our money goes to tax, insurance, fee's, fines, service charges. You earn money you pay tax, you spend money you pay tax, its a double **** places like calif with 10 sales tax.

The rich should pay a higher % of their income to taxes. This is the USA, not Mexico. If a family earns $10 million, they should pay say $6-8 million in taxes. They still have $2-4 million after tax and the luxury of living in the USA, and the luxury of living in the USA is hard to quantify.

The bums among us also pay taxes to subsidize the rich people's excellent quality of living in the USA, the first world country. Fresh water, sewage disposal, good roads, etc, doesn't just magically appear because some millionaire pays taxes.

Vegas_Bronco
02-12-2011, 07:56 PM
Wow...a girl, a train, and lots of different men in action. Does she show any skin...you know...1040EZ.

rugbythug
02-12-2011, 08:22 PM
The rich should pay a higher % of their income to taxes. This is the USA, not Mexico. If a family earns $10 million, they should pay say $6-8 million in taxes. They still have $2-4 million after tax and the luxury of living in the USA, and the luxury of living in the USA is hard to quantify.

The bums among us also pay taxes to subsidize the rich people's excellent quality of living in the USA, the first world country. Fresh water, sewage disposal, good roads, etc, doesn't just magically appear because some millionaire pays taxes.

Why should anyone pay a higher % than anyone else. They all live in america.

rugbythug
02-12-2011, 08:24 PM
The rich should pay a higher % of their income to taxes. This is the USA, not Mexico. If a family earns $10 million, they should pay say $6-8 million in taxes. They still have $2-4 million after tax and the luxury of living in the USA, and the luxury of living in the USA is hard to quantify.

The bums among us also pay taxes to subsidize the rich people's excellent quality of living in the USA, the first world country. Fresh water, sewage disposal, good roads, etc, doesn't just magically appear because some millionaire pays taxes.

Never mind you will never get it.

tsiguy96
02-12-2011, 08:27 PM
Oh man, sounds like you got it all figured out.

its not THAT hard of a concept. look at the money being spent, see if that money is resulting in productive, measurable results. no? dump that ****.

gunns
02-12-2011, 08:33 PM
I hate to be a party pooper but but Tax Day is April 18th this year.....

Because Friday, April 15, is Emancipation Day, a holiday observed in the District of Columbia. By law, says the Internal Revenue Service, official District of Columbia holidays have the same effect on tax deadlines as do regular federal holidays.
That means tax day 2011 gets pushed back to the next business day, which is Monday, April 18.

Oh damn that makes my year. 3 extra days of hanging on to my money is nice. I owe a friggin fortune.

gunns
02-12-2011, 08:44 PM
Why should anyone pay a higher % than anyone else. They all live in america.

Maybe what he's referring to is the fact that the rich only pay 31% of what they actually owe in taxes while the middle class pays 95% of what they owe. If they paid 95% of what they actually owe what a wonderful world this would be. But oh yeah, they provide the jobs. Please.

Cito Pelon
02-12-2011, 08:56 PM
Why should anyone pay a higher % than anyone else. They all live in america.

What is your income level?

Sure, we all live in america, and we all reap the benefits of middle income people filliling in the holes to make sure government provides the services to make america a first world country.

The super rich are the biggest tax dodgers, they reap the benefits of living in the USA, but try to eliminate their tax burden.

Cito Pelon
02-12-2011, 08:59 PM
Never mind you will never get it.

Please.

rugbythug
02-12-2011, 09:56 PM
What is your income level?

Sure, we all live in america, and we all reap the benefits of middle income people filliling in the holes to make sure government provides the services to make america a first world country.

The super rich are the biggest tax dodgers, they reap the benefits of living in the USA, but try to eliminate their tax burden.
High enough to hit the top. But lost well over 50 last year. If you think that the best and brightest will work to achieve for 20% you are foolish

rugbythug
02-12-2011, 09:59 PM
Maybe what he's referring to is the fact that the rich only pay 31% of what they actually owe in taxes while the middle class pays 95% of what they owe. If they paid 95% of what they actually owe what a wonderful world this would be. But oh yeah, they provide the jobs. Please.

This is bs. The govt collects every it can don't hate people for having options you don't.

broncocalijohn
02-13-2011, 12:21 PM
The rich should pay a higher % of their income to taxes. This is the USA, not Mexico. If a family earns $10 million, they should pay say $6-8 million in taxes. They still have $2-4 million after tax and the luxury of living in the USA, and the luxury of living in the USA is hard to quantify.

The bums among us also pay taxes to subsidize the rich people's excellent quality of living in the USA, the first world country. Fresh water, sewage disposal, good roads, etc, doesn't just magically appear because some millionaire pays taxes.

Dude, u r not describing the us but a country that is more into socialisn than capitalism. You want to give 80% of your income to the government? The "they can live off of2 million" crowd makes me puke. Not sure if you realize it but business takes profit and uses it to invest in their companies in new machinery, employees, etc. That doesn't happen in your world. Come live in california so you can see how great your utopia way of living is working out. I'm. Pretty much broke the last few years but I refuse to play class warfare against those that still have the means to pay taxes. It is the gov.'s fault for being bloated regardless of the way the economy is rolling. These aren't. Economist, they are yes men pigs to the lobbyist.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-13-2011, 01:28 PM
Dude, u r not describing the us but a country that is more into socialisn than capitalism. You want to give 80% of your income to the government? The "they can live off of2 million" crowd makes me puke. Not sure if you realize it but business takes profit and uses it to invest in their companies in new machinery, employees, etc. That doesn't happen in your world. Come live in california so you can see how great your utopia way of living is working out. I'm. Pretty much broke the last few years but I refuse to play class warfare against those that still have the means to pay taxes. It is the gov.'s fault for being bloated regardless of the way the economy is rolling. These aren't. Economist, they are yes men pigs to the lobbyist.

He's not talking about companies reinvesting their money into technology, hiring, etc. He's talking about personal income, family income, etc.

Don't see a whole lot of rich a-holes investing their own, personal money in their companies. Their money is busy being transported to tax shelters so they don't have to pay anything to big, bad America.

As for the movie, I'll probably see it, as I enjoyed the book. I'm not going to rush out to the theatre though.

cutthemdown
02-13-2011, 02:57 PM
The rich should pay a higher % of their income to taxes. This is the USA, not Mexico. If a family earns $10 million, they should pay say $6-8 million in taxes. They still have $2-4 million after tax and the luxury of living in the USA, and the luxury of living in the USA is hard to quantify.

The bums among us also pay taxes to subsidize the rich people's excellent quality of living in the USA, the first world country. Fresh water, sewage disposal, good roads, etc, doesn't just magically appear because some millionaire pays taxes.

Holy ****! You think people who make 10 should only keep 2-4 million of it? Wow! At most you should pay 35% total. That is fed plus state plus sales tax you spend. It's ridiculous how much they waste.

rugbythug
02-13-2011, 05:10 PM
He's not talking about companies reinvesting their money into technology, hiring, etc. He's talking about personal income, family income, etc.

Don't see a whole lot of rich a-holes investing their own, personal money in their companies. Their money is busy being transported to tax shelters so they don't have to pay anything to big, bad America.

As for the movie, I'll probably see it, as I enjoyed the book. I'm not going to rush out to the theatre though.

Rich people are pretty much just like you only smarter and more motivated.

broncogary
02-13-2011, 05:18 PM
Maybe what he's referring to is the fact that the rich only pay 31% of what they actually owe in taxes while the middle class pays 95% of what they owe. If they paid 95% of what they actually owe what a wonderful world this would be. But oh yeah, they provide the jobs. Please.

Where'd you pull the 31% from?

Blart
02-13-2011, 09:42 PM
Direct to video.

DrFate
02-14-2011, 12:38 PM
Never mind you will never get it.

This was a good decision on your part, rugbythug. Some people simply can't be reasoned with...

AK Broncomaniac
02-14-2011, 12:46 PM
I love tax day. I don't cry and whine about the taxes I pay. I consider it a privilege to pay my taxes as a citizen of the USA. I enjoy paying my taxes to keep this a first world country. It certainly is not an onerous burden.

It's sad the richest among us US citizens, the folks that have reaped the rewards of living in the US, try to hide from paying their taxes. They want everybody else to pay, but not them.

Seriously??? You're kidding me, right???

cutthemdown
02-14-2011, 12:48 PM
Seriously??? You're kidding me, right???

He probably gets money back from the feds and lives in a low tax state or something. He has no clue what people who make money are going through to support him.

cutthemdown
02-14-2011, 12:49 PM
For sure Cito isn't in the tax bracket he wants to see taxed at a rate of 70%

Rigs11
02-14-2011, 12:54 PM
people like to go on and on about how america is the greatest country on earth..blah.blah.blah..Our infasturcture is crumbling, our education system is going down the tubes,we just finally got some sort of healthcare system. It's funny to see all this praise and love for the corporations.they are sitting on around 1.3 trillion dollars and they are not investing. Where are all the jobs righties?theyve been getting tax breaks for years now. Where are they?

RhymesayersDU
02-14-2011, 12:56 PM
Nobody has a job. We're at 100% unemployment.

DrFate
02-14-2011, 01:07 PM
It's funny to see all this praise and love for the corporations.they are sitting on around 1.3 trillion dollars and they are not investing. Where are all the jobs righties?theyve been getting tax breaks for years now. Where are they?

I always get a kick out of the concept that we should punish corporations (or oil companies or insurance companies or whatever the flavor of the month is).

Why not go ahead and shut them down? The police run raids and shut down meth labs and whore houses. Why don't we just have a SWAT team shut down all the Fortune 500 corporations? That would solve the problems, right?

Mr.Meanie
02-14-2011, 01:07 PM
On the movie - I really enjoyed Atlas Shrugged, and when I first heard there was going to be a movie about it I was excited. Unfortunately, this movie looks dreadful. I doubt I'll even add it to Netflix unless reviewers say this movie blew them away, which I doubt.

On taxes - while I don't agree with Cito's view on taxes, there are some places in the world where that sort of tax structure not only works but is highly successful. Inc. magazine just had an article on Norway's socialist-capitalist structure that was a pretty even-handed look at higher taxes on the wealthy and the effect on the economy.

Rigs11
02-14-2011, 01:13 PM
I always get a kick out of the concept that we should punish corporations (or oil companies or insurance companies or whatever the flavor of the month is).

Why not go ahead and shut them down? The police run raids and shut down meth labs and whore houses. Why don't we just have a SWAT team shut down all the Fortune 500 corporations? That would solve the problems, right?

yeah they need tax breaks because the record billions they are making is somehow not enough right?you guys scream about taxes hurting job creation, you scream about regulation hurting job creation. I ask you again where are the jobs?

Houshyamama
02-14-2011, 01:25 PM
Great book and all but that movie looks dreadful.

Exactly. These actors don't look up to the task. There are not many directors on the planet I'd trust to commit this book to film.

I give this movie a 85% chance of being mediocre or worse. Which is a shame really as it will turn people away from the book who may have otherwise read it.

gunns
02-14-2011, 02:30 PM
This is bs. The govt collects every it can don't hate people for having options you don't.

Options I don't? Don't we all live in America?

And what I posted is a fact.

Tombstone RJ
02-14-2011, 03:11 PM
I love tax day. I don't cry and whine about the taxes I pay. I consider it a privilege to pay my taxes as a citizen of the USA. I enjoy paying my taxes to keep this a first world country. It certainly is not an onerous burden.

It's sad the richest among us US citizens, the folks that have reaped the rewards of living in the US, try to hide from paying their taxes. They want everybody else to pay, but not them.

Would you mind paying my taxes while you're at it? You can feel doubly priviledged--double your pleasure!

:kiss:

enjolras
02-15-2011, 12:58 AM
First off: Atlas shrugged is quite possibly the biggest piece of crap I've ever read. As an entrepreneur, I find it really quite insulting. It's a hugely cynical view of the people who actually build things.

As for taxes: I make more than most (I've been fortunate enough to build two rather successful businesses), and I have no issue with an increase in taxes. An extra 5% isn't going to change my lifestyle one bit, and that's true for most people in the upper tax brackets.

I do ask for increased transparency and a better sense of what our money is going towards. I ask for better management of our collective money. I also ask that everyone pay their fair share...

The idea that the economy will shut down because the rich pay a few more percentage point in taxes is ludicrous. Silicon Valley really disproves that notion in so many ways. Higher taxes aren't really an issue for innovators. Access to smart people and resources are.

I'd be happy to pay here in Colorado if it meant higher education would get a bump. If my tax dollars are shoring up programs at our local universities, well that gives me an advantage. Cutting pell grants (as the GOP apparently wants to do) and absolutely decimating spending for higher education (as Colorado and virtually everywhere else has already done) is quite simply a recipe for economic death.

Gort
02-15-2011, 10:40 AM
First off: Atlas shrugged is quite possibly the biggest piece of crap I've ever read. As an entrepreneur, I find it really quite insulting. It's a hugely cynical view of the people who actually build things.

As for taxes: I make more than most (I've been fortunate enough to build two rather successful businesses), and I have no issue with an increase in taxes. An extra 5% isn't going to change my lifestyle one bit, and that's true for most people in the upper tax brackets.

I do ask for increased transparency and a better sense of what our money is going towards. I ask for better management of our collective money. I also ask that everyone pay their fair share...

The idea that the economy will shut down because the rich pay a few more percentage point in taxes is ludicrous. Silicon Valley really disproves that notion in so many ways. Higher taxes aren't really an issue for innovators. Access to smart people and resources are.

I'd be happy to pay here in Colorado if it meant higher education would get a bump. If my tax dollars are shoring up programs at our local universities, well that gives me an advantage. Cutting pell grants (as the GOP apparently wants to do) and absolutely decimating spending for higher education (as Colorado and virtually everywhere else has already done) is quite simply a recipe for economic death.

you're welcome to pay higher taxes. nobody is stopping you from writing a voluntary check for MORE than your fair amount to the US Treasury. the problem i have with people like you is that don't want to pay more of your own money voluntarily... you want me and everybody else to pay more at the barrel of a gun. that's theft. the income tax is government theft. it's as simple as that. i can't refuse to pay or they put me in jail and seize my property. i can't fight them in court because they have their own courts. the judges in these courts are part of the IRS system. you can't get a fair hearing. i can try and elect politicians to curb their abuses, but i can only affect the election of 1 congressman, 2 senators, and 1 president. every other politician has the power to vote or advocate new taxes on me, which they all benefit from levying. dispensing tax dollars in return for votes has been the standard operating practice of the democRAT party and unions for nearly a hundred years now.

i worked in silicon valley for a dozen years. if you think the CEO's and COO's and executive VPs out there happily pay higher taxes, you don't know much about the way they hide and defer their true incomes to avoid as much tax as possible.

the same goes for all those Hollyweird do-gooder liberals advocating that the rest of us mere peons pay more in taxes to fund whatever their cause of the week is. Matt Damon. Steven Speilberg. Tom Hanks. Rob Reiner. etc. these people pay alot of money to clever accountants to hide the true nature of their yearly earnings. these people do not pay their fair share of taxes.

politicians are just as bad. Ted Kennedy. John Edwards. Charlie Rangel. Tom Daschle. etc. they hide their incomes or just flat out refuse to pay their taxes. and nothing ever happens to them. were i to try that, i'd be in jail and my assets seized.

and don't get me started on government schools. the government should not be in the education business. period. the money being funneled into that system is ending up in the pockets of the union administrators and school bureaucrats. kids are not getting better educations as more money is spent on government schooling... instead, the kleptocrats in the education establishment are becoming richer.

you wanna know what the real recipe for economic death is? Obamanomics. it is bankrupting this country. deliberately.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 10:48 AM
you wanna know what the real recipe for economic death is? Obamanomics. it is bankrupting this country. deliberately.

Dumbest thing ever written? Dumbest thing ever written.

Tombstone RJ
02-15-2011, 10:50 AM
you're welcome to pay higher taxes. nobody is stopping you from writing a voluntary check for MORE than your fair amount to the US Treasury. the problem i have with people like you is that don't want to pay more of your own money voluntarily... you want me and everybody else to pay more at the barrel of a gun. that's theft. the income tax is government theft. it's as simple as that. i can't refuse to pay or they put me in jail and seize my property. i can't fight them in court because they have their own courts. the judges in these courts are part of the IRS system. you can't get a fair hearing. i can try and elect politicians to curb their abuses, but i can only affect the election of 1 congressman, 2 senators, and 1 president. every other politician has the power to vote or advocate new taxes on me, which they all benefit from levying. dispensing tax dollars in return for votes has been the standard operating practice of the democRAT party and unions for nearly a hundred years now.

i worked in silicon valley for a dozen years. if you think the CEO's and COO's and executive VPs out there happily pay higher taxes, you don't know much about the way they hide and defer their true incomes to avoid as much tax as possible.

the same goes for all those Hollyweird do-gooder liberals advocating that the rest of us mere peons pay more in taxes to fund whatever their cause of the week is. Matt Damon. Steven Speilberg. Tom Hanks. Rob Reiner. etc. these people pay alot of money to clever accountants to hide the true nature of their yearly earnings. these people do not pay their fair share of taxes.

politicians are just as bad. Ted Kennedy. John Edwards. Charlie Rangel. Tom Daschle. etc. they hide their incomes or just flat out refuse to pay their taxes. and nothing ever happens to them. were i to try that, i'd be in jail and my assets seized.

and don't get me started on government schools. the government should not be in the education business. period. the money being funneled into that system is ending up in the pockets of the union administrators and school bureacracy. kids are not getting better educations as more money is spent on government schooling... instead, the kleptocrats in the education establishment are becoming richer.

you wanna know what the real recipe for economic death is? Obamanomics. it is bankrupting this country. deliberately.

yep

the federal bueacracy is the real problem. Fact is, income tax is unconstitutional and the founding fathers never intended the citizens of the US to pay an income tax.

The rich have ways around paying taxes, always have and always will. It's the middle class that pays the heaviest burden and it's the middle class that gets screwed by the tax system.

I'm convinced that IRS is complicated because it wants to hide where money is going, there's no transparency and the tax laws are there to protect the goverment rather than help the citizens. The big money corporations will always have ways around paying these taxes, while the working man will have to eat it with a smile.

There's better ways to generate tax revenue but hell no, the fed gov will never go for it because it's part of the problem.

Rigs11
02-15-2011, 10:52 AM
Dumbest thing ever written? Dumbest thing ever written.

Agreed. i don't think JohnGalt has done any research, he just parrots what Beck and his cronies say. he should start with reaganomics as a point of reference.

Rigs11
02-15-2011, 10:55 AM
yep

the federal bueacracy is the real problem. Fact is, income tax is unconstitutional and the founding fathers never intended the citizens of the US to pay an income tax.

The rich have ways around paying taxes, always have and always will. It's the middle class that pays the heaviest burden and it's the middle class that gets screwed by the tax system.

I'm convinced that IRS is complicated because it wants to hide where money is going, there's no transparency and the tax laws are there to protect the goverment rather than help the citizens. The big money corporations will always have ways around paying these taxes, while the working man will have to eat it with a smile.

There's better ways to generate tax revenue but hell no, the fed gov will never go for it because it's part of the problem.
yeah but whenever the dems try to addres this they are called socialists spreading the wealth around. Taxing the rich kills jobs blah blah blah..Aint that right righties?

rugbythug
02-15-2011, 11:03 AM
yeah but whenever the dems try to addres this they are called socialists spreading the wealth around. Taxing the rich kills jobs blah blah blah..Aint that right righties?

Speaking of parrots. The next time you think for yourself will be the first.

Tombstone RJ
02-15-2011, 11:04 AM
yeah but whenever the dems try to addres this they are called socialists spreading the wealth around. Taxing the rich kills jobs blah blah blah..Aint that right righties?

All I'm saying is the system is broke. The fed gov. is a shell of itself filled with career politicians who are on capital hill because they are wealthy to begin with.

I'd love for someone to do a study on congress and look at the individual Reps and Senators personal wealth. I'd like to know exactly what these individuals income and assets are when entering congress, and I'd like to know these individuals income and assets when they leave congress (if they ever leave congress). I think what you will find is that these people get richer and richer the longer they stay in DC.

There's serious problems with our fed gov. Most of it is due to greed. There's some basic things congress can do to stop all the waste, for example, congressional term limits. The problem is congress will never vote for term limits.

When the fed congress was initially set up, it was only supposed to be in session for a short amount of time, time enough to do their jobs, then the senators and reps went back to their own states.

Why not go back to this system again?

Congress will never go for it because they don't care about you or me. They only care about themselves.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 11:04 AM
Speaking of parrots. The next time you think for yourself will be the first.

Nice job responding to the points. No no, really.

rugbythug
02-15-2011, 11:05 AM
As a note, when was the last time increasing taxes increased revenue? And inversly what happened to revenue when we last cut taxes. People respond better to the carrot than the stick.

rugbythug
02-15-2011, 11:07 AM
Nice job responding to the points. No no, really.

You would know

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 11:12 AM
You would know

I wouldn't. Because you didn't respond to the points.

rugbythug
02-15-2011, 11:27 AM
I wouldn't. Because you didn't respond to the points.

Pot meet kettle.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 11:41 AM
Pot meet kettle.

Aren't you just adorable.

First grade arguing won't get you anywhere... except for miles and miles with your right-wing cohorts that thing taxes are nothing but stealing even though they provide for the common good, and keep our country a FIRST world country instead of a THIRD world country.

But you righties just want the rich to have it all, so you can piss on the poor all day long. Right?

"Why should I have to pay for ALL the roads? I only drive on MY street!"

"Why should I pay for public schools? MY children of WEALTH go to private school!"

And then they complain about test scores and how the US is falling behind in education.

It would be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so sad and misguided.

Gort
02-15-2011, 11:44 AM
Agreed. i don't think JohnGalt has done any research, he just parrots what Beck and his cronies say. he should start with reaganomics as a point of reference.

this thread is about a trailer for a movie. that's it. that's all. but you libtard moonbats HAD to turn it into politics. if you don't want to watch the movie, don't watch the movie. but if you want to rant and rail about whatever today's huffington post talking point is, do it in WRP.

you know next to nothing about economics. just like that Kenyan jackass you voted for.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 11:48 AM
this thread is about a trailer for a movie. that's it. that's all. but you libtard moonbats HAD to turn it into politics. if you don't want to watch the movie, don't watch the movie. but if you want to rant and rail about whatever today's huffington post talking point is, do it in WRP.

you know next to nothing about economics. just like that Kenyan jackass you voted for.

Don't turn this thread into politics!

Obama's a muslim from Kenya!

Derp!

Rigs11
02-15-2011, 11:50 AM
Speaking of parrots. The next time you think for yourself will be the first.

thanks for adding your brilliant thoughts as always

Rigs11
02-15-2011, 11:55 AM
this thread is about a trailer for a movie. that's it. that's all. but you libtard moonbats HAD to turn it into politics. if you don't want to watch the movie, don't watch the movie. but if you want to rant and rail about whatever today's huffington post talking point is, do it in WRP.

you know next to nothing about economics. just like that Kenyan jackass you voted for.

im pretty sure you used the term "obamanomics" a couple of posts ago.yet when cornered you start crying about the thread being highjacked.really?take the bra off

rugbythug
02-15-2011, 11:56 AM
Aren't you just adorable.

First grade arguing won't get you anywhere... except for miles and miles with your right-wing cohorts that thing taxes are nothing but stealing even though they provide for the common good, and keep our country a FIRST world country instead of a THIRD world country.

But you righties just want the rich to have it all, so you can piss on the poor all day long. Right?

"Why should I have to pay for ALL the roads? I only drive on MY street!"

"Why should I pay for public schools? MY children of WEALTH go to private school!"

And then they complain about test scores and how the US is falling behind in education.

It would be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so sad and misguided.
Nice job with the mischaracterization of the argument. Raising taxes rairely raises revenue. Cutting taxes does. Spending more on education does not make kids more educated.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 12:04 PM
Nice job with the mischaracterization of the argument. Raising taxes rairely raises revenue. Cutting taxes does. Spending more on education does not make kids more educated.

But spending less money on education will SURELY make them more educated. Right?

When it comes to education, the parents need to be involved or it's not going to matter how much money is spent. As soon as this country stops blaming the system and starts taking responsibility for giving a **** what their kids are learning in school, it'll make a difference how much money is spent, what tools teachers are given, etc.

Your idea, if I follow you, is "let's cut the dept of Education! That'll fix it!" Am I close?

Rigs11
02-15-2011, 12:12 PM
Nice job with the mischaracterization of the argument. Raising taxes rairely raises revenue. Cutting taxes does. Spending more on education does not make kids more educated.

cutting taxes does not raise revenue. the notion that companies will invest in jobs, and people will spend is not happening. right now is a perfect example of corporations sitting on cash.revenue is tied to government spending. when revenues are down the deficit goes up. rocket science i know

rugbythug
02-15-2011, 12:18 PM
But spending less money on education will SURELY make them more educated. Right?

When it comes to education, the parents need to be involved or it's not going to matter how much money is spent. As soon as this country stops blaming the system and starts taking responsibility for giving a **** what their kids are learning in school, it'll make a difference how much money is spent, what tools teachers are given, etc.

Your idea, if I follow you, is "let's cut the dept of Education! That'll fix it!" Am I close?

No I prefer a voucher system

cutthemdown
02-15-2011, 12:36 PM
The numbers show that private schools don't spend a whole lot more per kid then public schools do. Yet they consistently churn out smarter kids. Not sure about other states but the calif teachers union is to blame here in calif. All they care about is there raises, pension, and being tenured so they can't ever be fired. Oh but they could make more in private sector right? Thats what they spout all the time!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 01:20 PM
The numbers show that private schools don't spend a whole lot more per kid then public schools do. Yet they consistently churn out smarter kids. Not sure about other states but the calif teachers union is to blame here in calif. All they care about is there raises, pension, and being tenured so they can't ever be fired. Oh but they could make more in private sector right? Thats what they spout all the time!

I would guess it has to do more with the parents having something they're paying for, so they're invested in checking in with their kids. If you're paying good money (and a lot of it) to a private school, I think you're more likely to help your kids with homework, help them with projects, and check in with teachers to find out where the kid is doing well, where he needs help, etc.

Everyone rushes to blame the teachers unions, but often they're the only ones pushing these kids to achieve. That is the disconnect.

And now the right bitches about the government putting in to place things like healthier food in the cafeterias of these schools, screaming about "we can raise our own kids! We don't need the government to tell us how!" Then why is your 12 year old 200 pounds? If you really can feed your kids right, DO IT. If you want your kids to learn more, HELP.

cutthemdown
02-15-2011, 01:49 PM
I would guess it has to do more with the parents having something they're paying for, so they're invested in checking in with their kids. If you're paying good money (and a lot of it) to a private school, I think you're more likely to help your kids with homework, help them with projects, and check in with teachers to find out where the kid is doing well, where he needs help, etc.

Everyone rushes to blame the teachers unions, but often they're the only ones pushing these kids to achieve. That is the disconnect.

And now the right b****es about the government putting in to place things like healthier food in the cafeterias of these schools, screaming about "we can raise our own kids! We don't need the government to tell us how!" Then why is your 12 year old 200 pounds? If you really can feed your kids right, DO IT. If you want your kids to learn more, HELP.

That is a very good and valid point. Some of it probably is the fact private school kids obviously have parents who are thinking alot about there kids education.

In a way though it illustrates how depending on the govt creates apathy and waste. Even the parents just say, meh send them off to school its govts job. Really though its the parents job to make sure kid gets educated.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 01:59 PM
That is a very good and valid point. Some of it probably is the fact private school kids obviously have parents who are thinking alot about there kids education.

In a way though it illustrates how depending on the govt creates apathy and waste. Even the parents just say, meh send them off to school its govts job. Really though its the parents job to make sure kid gets educated.

I don't think the answer then is to give up. Stop educating? Stop getting the kids modern tools with which to learn?

I don't know everything, and I don't have the answers. I do know the answer ISN'T to just disband the public school system and let the pieces fall where they may. Seems like we can be more creative than that.

I don't have kids yet, but I'm planning on sending mine to public schools, at least until high school. I'm also planning on being a very active parent. If my kid is doing poorly, I'm sure as **** not going to sit back and demand to know why the teachers aren't teaching my kid right. I'm going to work with my kid at home. Help find a way to make the material interesting and compelling to the child in order to help him improve.

Scapegoating the department of education isn't going to improve the chances for our youth. It'll make the right feel better for a short amount of time, until test scores stay the same (or get worse), and THEN what? Who do you blame then? Oh, right. The teachers. Then it's the teacher's fault that little Johnny and Alice didn't do the assigned homework.

As long as we don't look to the parents to help. Parents have enough on their plates! DO THEY HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING? Why should the PARENTS be involved in helping the education of their brood?

Of course, if someone DID bring up the idea to get parents more involved with the public schools, the screams would begin, on cue, from the right, about how the government is telling us how to raise our kids, and we know how to raise our own kids, and the screams to blame someone -- anyone -- else will begin anew.

bendog
02-15-2011, 02:10 PM
As a note, when was the last time increasing taxes increased revenue? And inversly what happened to revenue when we last cut taxes. People respond better to the carrot than the stick.

taxes were hiked in 1993 and tax reciepts grew and spending was to increasing slower than reciepts. The result was that in 97, we could afford a tax cut that didn't increase the debt. See table 1.3. But carry on with your fantasy

sorry, link.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/

cutthemdown
02-15-2011, 02:15 PM
I don't think the answer then is to give up. Stop educating? Stop getting the kids modern tools with which to learn?

I don't know everything, and I don't have the answers. I do know the answer ISN'T to just disband the public school system and let the pieces fall where they may. Seems like we can be more creative than that.

I don't have kids yet, but I'm planning on sending mine to public schools, at least until high school. I'm also planning on being a very active parent. If my kid is doing poorly, I'm sure as **** not going to sit back and demand to know why the teachers aren't teaching my kid right. I'm going to work with my kid at home. Help find a way to make the material interesting and compelling to the child in order to help him improve.

Scapegoating the department of education isn't going to improve the chances for our youth. It'll make the right feel better for a short amount of time, until test scores stay the same (or get worse), and THEN what? Who do you blame then? Oh, right. The teachers. Then it's the teacher's fault that little Johnny and Alice didn't do the assigned homework.

As long as we don't look to the parents to help. Parents have enough on their plates! DO THEY HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING? Why should the PARENTS be involved in helping the education of their brood?

Of course, if someone DID bring up the idea to get parents more involved with the public schools, the screams would begin, on cue, from the right, about how the government is telling us how to raise our kids, and we know how to raise our own kids, and the screams to blame someone -- anyone -- else will begin anew.

It just seems to me that teachers being tenured, unable to be fired, creates an atmosphere of who cares what you think you can't touch me. Public schools don't need to be disbanded, but parents need to be able to say give me my tax money for schools back I want to use it to send my kid to private school.

Most people would say, man 9 grand to send my kid to private school a yr, too expensive right? But if govt gives you the money they spend on your kid to go to public school you could easily make up the difference. Why? because public schools have tons of political type school supers, admins, board of education, that suck up tons of the cash. Private are more streamlined, board of directors, school principal etc etc.

bendog
02-15-2011, 02:19 PM
Private schools kick out the expensive kids. But, Den Public Schools seem to have a pretty workable plan, with parents having some ability to bid between schools and thus have some choice and create a "market" where schools have work to have good outcomes, or nobody bids to attend there. At least that's how my sister in law described it to me.

rugbythug
02-15-2011, 02:22 PM
I don't think the answer then is to give up. Stop educating? Stop getting the kids modern tools with which to learn?

I don't know everything, and I don't have the answers. I do know the answer ISN'T to just disband the public school system and let the pieces fall where they may. Seems like we can be more creative than that.

I don't have kids yet, but I'm planning on sending mine to public schools, at least until high school. I'm also planning on being a very active parent. If my kid is doing poorly, I'm sure as **** not going to sit back and demand to know why the teachers aren't teaching my kid right. I'm going to work with my kid at home. Help find a way to make the material interesting and compelling to the child in order to help him improve.

Scapegoating the department of education isn't going to improve the chances for our youth. It'll make the right feel better for a short amount of time, until test scores stay the same (or get worse), and THEN what? Who do you blame then? Oh, right. The teachers. Then it's the teacher's fault that little Johnny and Alice didn't do the assigned homework.
As long as we don't look to the parents to help. Parents have enough on their plates! DO THEY HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING? Why should the PARENTS be involved in helping the education of their brood?

Of course, if someone DID bring up the idea to get parents more involved with the public schools, the screams would begin, on cue, from the right, about how the government is telling us how to raise our kids, and we know how to raise our own kids, and the screams to blame someone -- anyone -- else will begin anew.

What's with the rush limbaugh talking points

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 02:34 PM
It just seems to me that teachers being tenured, unable to be fired, creates an atmosphere of who cares what you think you can't touch me. Public schools don't need to be disbanded, but parents need to be able to say give me my tax money for schools back I want to use it to send my kid to private school.

Most people would say, man 9 grand to send my kid to private school a yr, too expensive right? But if govt gives you the money they spend on your kid to go to public school you could easily make up the difference. Why? because public schools have tons of political type school supers, admins, board of education, that suck up tons of the cash. Private are more streamlined, board of directors, school principal etc etc.

And I get all that, but what happens when the kids get to those private schools the government is still paying for (I'll give you a hint: it starts with "public" and ends with "school") and the parent STILL has nothing invested, and the parent STILL is not helping with school work, or checking on progress, or meeting with teachers... what happens THEN?

And if all the kids from the public schools are going to private schools with their streamlined staffs and smaller classrooms, how do those "private in name only" schools keep streamlined staffs and smaller classrooms?

And further, what's to keep the parents who are ACTUALLY paying for those schools out of their own pockets from complaining that they want their kids to get that same "higher level" education paid for by the government? How long until that happens?

I'd guess a couple weeks until someone well-to-do starts complaining that those kids who can't afford it on their own are filling up their private school classes that they're paying full price for their kids to attend. And then those parents will demand that THEY get free rides for THEIR kids, too.

I understand what you're saying about tenure, and I think it's sort of absurd at the elementary and high school levels. HOWEVER, I have several friends who are teachers in the public system, and without that opportunity for tenure, I don't think you'll get students in college who are even interested in teaching. ****ty pay, ****ty hours, good vacation, but again, you make ZERO money. It's a hard ****ing job to deal with kids who don't want to be there and parents who could give two ****s less and are essentially sending their kids to you as a free daycare. It's a thankless job. And on top of that, if the parents don't have a stake in how their kids are doing, you get the blame, too.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-15-2011, 02:36 PM
What's with the rush limbaugh talking points

What's with the inability to contribute anything to the thread?

ZachKC
02-16-2011, 07:45 AM
taxes were hiked in 1993 and tax reciepts grew and spending was to increasing slower than reciepts. The result was that in 97, we could afford a tax cut that didn't increase the debt. See table 1.3. But carry on with your fantasy

sorry, link.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/

Ha. Owned.

Cito Pelon
02-17-2011, 10:59 AM
Holy ****! You think people who make 10 should only keep 2-4 million of it? Wow! At most you should pay 35% total. That is fed plus state plus sales tax you spend. It's ridiculous how much they waste.

Relax. $4 million out of $10 million is 40%. I was giving a range there dude. Something for people to discuss. You said max is 35%, so we're not that far apart.

Cito Pelon
02-17-2011, 11:16 AM
High enough to hit the top. But lost well over 50 last year. If you think that the best and brightest will work to achieve for 20% you are foolish

Interesting.

I say if you think you can do better somewhere else, if you think your quality of life will be better somewhere else, emigrate to that country. We'll do just fine without you.

rugbythug
02-17-2011, 11:29 AM
Relax. $4 million out of $10 million is 40%. I was giving a range there dude. Something for people to discuss. You said max is 35%, so we're not that far apart.

You said keep 4million he is saying tax 3.5

rugbythug
02-17-2011, 11:31 AM
taxes were hiked in 1993 and tax reciepts grew and spending was to increasing slower than reciepts. The result was that in 97, we could afford a tax cut that didn't increase the debt. See table 1.3. But carry on with your fantasy

sorry, link.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/

I am on my phone will provide counter points later. Kennedy, Reagan etc..

ColoradoDarin
02-17-2011, 11:47 AM
taxes were hiked in 1993 and tax reciepts grew and spending was to increasing slower than reciepts. The result was that in 97, we could afford a tax cut that didn't increase the debt. See table 1.3. But carry on with your fantasy

sorry, link.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/

Ya know, I'd be willing to go back to 1997 (or 1993) taxation levels if we can go back to 1997 spending levels.