CPAC 2011-Taking back the Republican party.

[Obushma]

Ron Paul hits it out of the park once again. Like a ray of sunshine through the liberal imperialist neocon fog.

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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/02/11/ron-paul-on-egypt-people-dont-like-us-propping-up-dictators/

Ron Paul on Egypt: ‘People Don’t Like Us Propping Up Dictators’.
By Scott L. Greenberg

The Texas Republican had to push through sustained applause to deliver his broadside against the U.S. government’s decades-long support of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, criticizing the billions of dollars in U.S. aid to Egypt.

“The people don’t like us propping up their dictators,” Mr. Paul said. “No more than we would like it if a foreign country propped up a dictator in our country.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/ron-paul-encourages-revolution-conservative-conference/

Ron Paul: ‘Government is in the process of failing’
By Nathan Diebenow

Is he running for US Senate? Is he signaling his bid for US president? Or is he hinting at something deeper within the US political climate?

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) sounded like he was about to hit the campaign trail again during his speech at a right-wing forum Friday, but before he left the podium, he warned Americans that their federal government was in trouble

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/11/ron-paul-cpac-speech_n_822132.html

Ron Paul Not Yet Pleased With GOP: 'Big Government Is Alive And Well'
By Sam Stein

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), perhaps the most "at home" of any elected official at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, told The Huffington Post in a brief interview that he remains fundamentally unsatisfied with his party leadership's approach to governance.


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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Obushma]

http://www.slate.com/id/2284686/

Two Pauls Are Better Than One
Father and son Ron and Rand Paul wow the crowd at CPAC.
By David Weigel

Rand Paul has finished his speech to CPAC and is avoiding the crowds for a couple of minutes. Outside of a small media suite, where he's taking questions, there are foreign TV cameras, college kids wearing stickers from Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty, and men holding folders of glossy photos that they want signed. They are kept at bay by security officers who, they will learn, are guarding Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.


http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/02/10/ron-paul-supporters-walk-out-rumsfeld-tribute

Ron Paul Supporters Walk Out of Rumsfeld Tribute
by Fox News

A steady stream of Texas Rep. Ron Paul's supporters walked out of a planned tribute for Donald Rumsfeld at CPAC Thursday afternoon. The walk-out had been planned ahead of time in part by Campaign for Liberty organizers and it seemed to be supported by more than 100 CPAC attendees.

The former defense secretary was also booed when took to the stage. There seemed to be a back-and-forth between Paul supporters and other CPAC attendees trying to drown each other out while Rumsfeld watched.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney then took the stage, but the heckling did not stop in what was an amazing display of friction. Someone in the crowd yelled to Cheney above the din "draft dodger." Nonetheless, the crowd is overwhelmingly warm to Rumsfeld, who eventually took his place in the presentation.

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LMAO at the Neocon scum chanting USA.

[Rohirrim]

It's funny when you hear these people shouting down any dissent by chanting, "USA!" over and over again. I guess "ironic" would be the word for it. The neocon ghost dancers still have a stage in the Republican Party.

[Rohirrim]

Here's the sign of doom for an empire: When you spend more of your wealth to sustain a massive military machine while cutting spending on education.

[Obushma]

Ron Paul Kids Do Us Proud (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/78008.html)
Posted by Lew Rockwell (lew@lewrockwell.com)

At the CPAC meeting, when everyone was supposed to salute blood-drenched authoritarians Cheney and Rumsfeld, the Ron Paul libertarians refused (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/paul-supporters-hijack-cheney-rumsfeld-reunion.php), and walked out. One young man asked, “Where’s bin Laden?” Others called the chickenhawk Cheney, “draft-dodger” and “war criminal.” The red-state fascists chanted, “USA! USA!” by which they mean, “Pentagon! Pentagon!” Notice that the liberal Democratic TPM (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/paul-supporters-hijack-cheney-rumsfeld-reunion.php) is bugged by the opposition to Cheney-Rumsfeld (headline: “Ron Paul Supporters Hijack Cheney-Rumsfeld Reunion”–a sweet reunion, hijacked by bad boys and girls!). In the Beltway, forget all the pretend splits: they all love the State. Except the Ron Paulians, of course

[Obushma]

http://www.conservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2-11-CPAC-Straw-Poll-Final-Compatibility-Mode.pdf

Ron Paul wins again!!!

Ron Paul 31%
Mitt Romney 23%
Everybody else 1-6%

[Obushma]

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in 2007, same **** (Original one I had was over 50,00 views...deleted)

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In 2008 Republican debate on Fox, his response to the question was edited on the national brodcast.

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[epicSocialism4tw]

I'd certainly vote for Ron Paul. 100%

[Rohirrim]

Love hie foreign policy ideas. Love his ideas of regulating Wall Street. Agree with stricter monitoring of the Fed, but Congress taking it over would be a disaster. His social policies are downright Neanderthal. Actually, that's not true. We have evidence that Neanderthal cared about each other.

[orinjkrush]

i will never vote for anyone but Ron Paul after he called out the Fed's treason on (middle class) America. We need to scale way back our entangling foreign alliances. We need to bust up the CIA (by sending all of their lazy ass chair sitters back out in the field). We need to bust up the Banksters (too big to fail is wrong in every industry---its a monopoly). And we need term limits for professional politicians (more than one term) who are nothing more than lobbyist c*ck-suckers (from Boehner to Obama).
Rant off/ Ron Paul has proven himself as a real person: USAF flight surgeon, obstetrician and enduring person of conscience.

[epicSocialism4tw]

i will never vote for anyone but Ron Paul after he called out the Fed's treason on (middle class) America. We need to scale way back our entangling foreign alliances. We need to bust up the CIA (by sending all of their lazy ass chair sitters back out in the field). We need to bust up the Banksters (too big to fail is wrong in every industry---its a monopoly). And we need term limits for professional politicians (more than one term) who are nothing more than lobbyist c*ck-suckers (from Boehner to Obama).
Rant off/ Ron Paul has proven himself as a real person: USAF flight surgeon, obstetrician and enduring person of conscience.

I agree with everything you posted.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Love hie foreign policy ideas. Love his ideas of regulating Wall Street. Agree with stricter monitoring of the Fed, but Congress taking it over would be a disaster. His social policies are downright Neanderthal. Actually, that's not true. We have evidence that Neanderthal cared about each other.

Hyperbole.

Paul simply believes that people take care of each other better than a bunch of lifetime politician lawyers who couldnt give a crap less.

[Obushma]

The 20/20 interview with John Stossel that never aired in 08...wonder why

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[JJJ]

The guy has a lot of ideas I respect, some that I think are whackjobish.

But Trump was right. This guy in unelectable. No way in hell would he ever be elected.

[Obushma]

Love hie foreign policy ideas. Love his ideas of regulating Wall Street. Agree with stricter monitoring of the Fed, but Congress taking it over would be a disaster. His social policies are downright Neanderthal. Actually, that's not true. We have evidence that Neanderthal cared about each other.

I guess the question you have to ask yourself Ro, are you more concerned for your children and grandchildren over foreign policy blow-back, or social justice? Are you more worried about the FED destroying the dollar, or keeping the same economic policies that have gotten us into this mess?

I completely disagree with your neanderthal comments as most people are not Nihilists. I don't buy into Freud's theories. We are evolving spiritually, socially, and intellectually, constantly. What people thought 200 years ago about these subjects plays little to no relevance in todays society. If Ron Paul was elected we wouldn't go back to 1776, quit thinking like that.

I will say it's nice to see that Progressives who've been misinformed over the last 100 years are starting to wake up to reality. These Plutocrats and Oligarchs don't care about you or your causes, just as long as you tow the line and keep them in power.

[Obushma]

The guy has a lot of ideas I respect, some that I think are whackjobish.

But Trump was right. This guy in unelectable. No way in hell would he ever be elected.

And the hair piece thinks he's got more of a chance Hilarious!

Neocons will never hold the presidency again, we'll write in before we go back to that failed philosophy. If you don't vote Paul JJJ, look forward to 4 more years of Obama. But be honest with the people here, you'd rather have Obama in office then Ron Paul, wouldn't you JJJ?

[JJJ]

And the hair piece thinks he's got more of a chance Hilarious!

Neocons will never hold the presidency again, we'll write in before we go back to that failed philosophy. If you don't vote Paul JJJ, look forward to 4 more years of Obama. But be honest with the people here, you'd rather have Obama in office then Ron Paul, wouldn't you JJJ?

Trump knows he has no chance either. He just wants to stir the pot a bit.

I don't think the next four years are for a radical. Ron Paul would likely want some pretty radical changes. I would love to see him eliminate the DOEdu and a few others. Would be great to see those bureaucrats flying out the windows. But he would destroy the military and likely send the dollar into chaos.

Good question, who is the lesser of two evils, Ron Paul or Obama. I would have to sleep on that one. Both make good junior senators but are poor presidential material.

When you are in a crisis go back to the basics. We need someone boring but determined.

[Obushma]

Good question, who is the lesser of two evils, Ron Paul or Obama. I would have to sleep on that one. Both make good junior senators but are poor presidential material.

When you are in a crisis go back to the basics. We need someone boring but determined.

Like I said before, you're no Conservative.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3115146&postcount=287

[JJJ]

Like I said before, you're no Conservative.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3115146&postcount=287

You are free to label me as you wish.

[Obushma]

You are free to label me as you wish.

No given label is needed, you've done well enough proving my point hawk.

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[JJJ]

No given label is needed, you've done well enough proving my point hawk.

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As usual you really didn't have a coherent point.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Hyperbole.

Paul simply believes that people take care of each other better than a bunch of lifetime politician lawyers who couldnt give a crap less.

Unless you feel a woman's right to choose is the right way to go. Then a Ron Paul government will tell you to **** right off, because while the government shouldn't collect taxes for the common good or fight wars in other countries, it sure as **** can tell a woman what to do with her body.

Not a hypocrite at all.

Also: He's 75 years old. Better find a new posterboy for your revolution, right-tards.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Trump knows he has no chance either. He just wants to stir the pot a bit.

I don't think the next four years are for a radical. Ron Paul would likely want some pretty radical changes. I would love to see him eliminate the DOEdu and a few others. Would be great to see those bureaucrats flying out the windows. But he would destroy the military and likely send the dollar into chaos.

Good question, who is the lesser of two evils, Ron Paul or Obama. I would have to sleep on that one. Both make good junior senators but are poor presidential material.

When you are in a crisis go back to the basics. We need someone boring but determined.

If your answer is ever "get rid of the Education department in this country!" then you're ****ing stupid and will never -- and should never -- be taken seriously. Ever.

[Obushma]

Unless you feel a woman's right to choose is the right way to go. Then a Ron Paul government will tell you to **** right off, because while the government shouldn't collect taxes for the common good or fight wars in other countries, it sure as **** can tell a woman what to do with her body.

Not a hypocrite at all.


Ron Paul feels it's a state issue, not a Federal issue. He is personally against abortion but feels it's not the Federal Governments place to tell a person what they can or cannot do. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, see the Stossel interviews.

[Obushma]

If your answer is ever "get rid of the Education department in this country!" then you're ****ing stupid and will never -- and should never -- be taken seriously. Ever.

Wow, test scores lower then in the 80's and we've doubled the money we give to the DoE, yeah, its working great. Hilarious!

[Obushma]

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[BABronco]

If your answer is ever "get rid of the Education department in this country!" then you're ****ing stupid and will never -- and should never -- be taken seriously. Ever.

Because its just doing a phenomenal job right?

[BABronco]

Ron Paul feels it's a state issue, not a Federal issue. He is personally against abortion but feels it's not the Federal Governments place to tell a person what they can or cannot do. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, see the Stossel interviews.

But that just means he cant come in here and spout off bs.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Wow, test scores lower then in the 80's and we've doubled the money we give to the DoE, yeah, its working great. Hilarious!

Good, then. We'll just quit. Should fix everything.

[Obushma]

Good, then. We'll just quit. Should fix everything.

No, you get rid of it because it's wasting money, and doing nothing to help the problem.

[Odysseus]

Here's the sign of doom for an empire: When you spend more of your wealth to sustain a massive military machine while cutting spending on education.

Here it is.

[mhgaffney]

The guy has a lot of ideas I respect, some that I think are whackjobish.

But Trump was right. This guy in unelectable. No way in hell would he ever be elected.

Sure. But you don't state the reason.

Which is that the US is terminally corrupt. We are a nation in the grip of forces so evil that

there is no chance for a decent man to ever be nominated -- let alone to become president.

In this, we have sunk even lower the USSR -- which after all, produced a leader like Gorbachev.

[TDmvp]

Sure. But you don't state the reason.

Which is that the US is terminally corrupt. We are a nation in the grip of forces so evil that

there is no chance for a decent man to ever be nominated -- let alone to become president.

In this, we have sunk even lower the USSR -- which after all, produced a leader like Gorbachev.



If I was you I would move out of this country as bad as it is (to hear you tell it).
Try Germany.

[JJJ]

Sure. But you don't state the reason.

Which is that the US is terminally corrupt. We are a nation in the grip of forces so evil that

there is no chance for a decent man to ever be nominated -- let alone to become president.

In this, we have sunk even lower the USSR -- which after all, produced a leader like Gorbachev.

I am not as cynical as you. I think a decent man can still get elected in this country. People voted for Obama thinking he is a decent man. And he is. He is just a decent man with lots of goofy, dangerous, and wacko ideas.

Ron Paul is a decent man with mostly good ideas but a few wacko ones. His isolationist positions make him unelectable for many Americans. Also too many people are scared to fend for themselves now in the US so many of his tiny government ideas would be rejected by many voters. He would be the next Ross Perot.

[mhgaffney]

A decent man would not have cut a back room deal with Wall Street -- and with the Zionists- to get elected.

This is why Obama is toothless. He traded his soul for the White House.

Ron Paul would never do this.

This is why -- if he ever gets close to the nomination -- the powerful evil men who run this nation will snuff him.

Only a people's revolution -- that starts in the streets can change the equation.

[NUB]

Ron Paul is a bit crazy, but he represents true old-school conservatism on a lot of points that current Republicans only feign to. If anything he is extremely principled as a man and that alone makes me respect him. I wouldn't want him in power, ever, but he's that polemic or contrarian voice every conversation needs to have.

[JJJ]

A decent man would not have cut a back room deal with Wall Street -- and with the Zionists- to get elected.

This is why Obama is toothless. He traded his soul for the White House.

Ron Paul would never do this.

This is why -- if he ever gets close to the nomination -- the powerful evil men who run this nation will snuff him.

Only a people's revolution -- that starts in the streets can change the equation.

Yeah because only revolutions have led to peaceful decent men running governments. You know people like Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc...

The only people who would snuff out Ron Paul are the voters themselves.

Obama was very transparent on what kind of government he would run and he is running it just as he said he would. The results, and you need to look no farther than his budget, speak for themselves. He is a classic tax and spend liberal.

Can you please provide me a list of who you think the evil powerful people in this country are? Or are these unnamed guys in a back room smoking cigars on Wall Street?

[JJJ]

Ron Paul is a bit crazy, but he represents true old-school conservatism on a lot of points that current Republicans only feign to. If anything he is extremely principled as a man and that alone makes me respect him. I wouldn't want him in power, ever, but he's that polemic or contrarian voice every conversation needs to have.

This, exactly.

[mhgaffney]

Where do you guys get this idea that Ron Paul is a bit crazy?

It's totally wrong. There is nothing wacky with his politics. He is exactly what the US needs right now.

This tells me you clowns are just not aware.

[Obushma]

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[Rohirrim]

Republicans, and Republican policies bankrupted this country. Bush, single-handedly, flushed this country down the toilet. Now they walk around like peacocks crowing that they're the solution and the "other guys" are the problem. Does anybody buy this ****?

[Dukes]

Republicans, and Republican policies bankrupted this country. Bush, single-handedly, flushed this country down the toilet. Now they walk around like peacocks crowing that they're the solution and the "other guys" are the problem. Does anybody buy this ****?

You're right, entitlements haven't contributed to us being bankrupt at all. But you are right about Bush. He was nothing other than a ****ing disaster.

[Obushma]

Republicans, and Republican policies bankrupted this country. Bush, single-handedly, flushed this country down the toilet. Now they walk around like peacocks crowing that they're the solution and the "other guys" are the problem. Does anybody buy this ****?

If you're willing to call neocons Republicans, then Obama is the Progressive savior.

If you want to talk honest politics, then yes, they are completely different just like neolibs and Progressives.

[JJJ]

Republicans, and Republican policies bankrupted this country. Bush, single-handedly, flushed this country down the toilet. Now they walk around like peacocks crowing that they're the solution and the "other guys" are the problem. Does anybody buy this ****?

Well nobody for sure is buying yours.

Even if Bush sent us deeper into debt (where the reality is the housing bubble was led by both Democratic and Republican policies), the Obama response to that debt is even more mind boggling stupid.

At least some in the republican party are screaming put on the damn brakes you are going over a cliff. Obama just keeps pushing on the accelerator. Cliff, what cliff?

Thats what I love about Obama's car in a ditch analogy. He thinks he is actually stuck in a ditch and is trying to burn his way out. The reality is he wasn't stuck at all but was traveling in a relatively small depression in the road but is now flying full speed towards the Grand Canyon Thelma and Louise style.

The man's policies can only be classified as insane given the initial conditions he inherited.

[Obushma]

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Honest mistake my ass Hilarious!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

(where the reality is the housing bubble was led by both Democratic and Republican policies)

There you go trying to peddle that same already-discredited republi-con canard again. tsk tsk

The crisis was started by Wall St. - not by FM&FM.

FM&FM were followers in this situation as most of their losses came from their investment accounts. That is to say, they were trying to make money the same way Wall St. was making money.

The usual cast of predators on Wall St. saw an opportunity to take FM&FM's bad mortgages, bundle them, sell them, and bet against them.

And, leave us not forget, it was your hero The Smirking Sociopath who insisted that everyone in America should own a home.

[mhgaffney]

It was also the chimp who wanted to take away the social security from our old folks and squander it in the stock market casino -- where the insiders (predators) get away with stealing from the innocent and naive.

[Obushma]

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[Obushma]

Rand Paul 2/16/11 (Budget, Patriot Act)

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Rand takes a stand
Posted by Tim Shoemaker on 02/15/11 12:04 PM

Last night, aside from the House passing their 10 month extension of the "PATRIOT" Act, the Senate attempted to sneak through a 3 year extension by unanimous consent.

Thankfully for those of us fighting the renewal, Senator Rand Paul objected, meaning the Senate will have to go through the entire procedure for passing this bill.

This morning he wrote a "Dear Colleague" letter to voice his reasons for why he objected and why other senators ought to reconsider their current positions as rubberstamps for Executive power.

Take a moment to read the letter, as Rand "call[s] upon each of my Senate colleagues to seriously consider whether the time has come to re-evaluate many-if not all-provisions of the PATRIOT Act. Our oath to uphold the Constitution demands it."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/koch-ethics.jpg

[JJJ]

There you go trying to peddle that same already-discredited republi-con canard again. tsk tsk

The crisis was started by Wall St. - not by FM&FM.

FM&FM were followers in this situation as most of their losses came from their investment accounts. That is to say, they were trying to make money the same way Wall St. was making money.

The usual cast of predators on Wall St. saw an opportunity to take FM&FM's bad mortgages, bundle them, sell them, and bet against them.

And, leave us not forget, it was your hero The Smirking Sociopath who insisted that everyone in America should own a home.

Home ownership was being pimped by both sides, thus my comment that it was the policy of both parties.

Wall Steet trades investments. That is what they do. Good ones and bad ones. They have packaging and bundled investments for decades. As with any investing, buyer beware. If you don't understand the underlying value of what you are buying, don't buy it.

But ulitimately it is the value of the assets in the investment that determine if it is a good investment or bad one and not whether they are being traded as derivatives or not. That means in the loan reselling business whether there are credit worthy people reliably making their monthly payments.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If you don't understand the underlying value of what you are buying, don't buy it.

Ha ha ha! :rofl:

You are aware that there were ~50 people in the entire world who understood these instruments and knew their true value?

Typical amoral republican BS - when the predators you defend con someone, always blame the victim.

But ulitimately it is the value of the assets in the investment that determine if it is a good investment or bad one and not whether they are being traded as derivatives or not.

Thanks for making my point for me.

The Wall Street con artists for whom you shill knew the mortgages were bad when they bundled them, sold them, and then bet against them.

[kappys]

Home ownership was being pimped by both sides, thus my comment that it was the policy of both parties.

Wall Steet trades investments. That is what they do. Good ones and bad ones. They have packaging and bundled investments for decades. As with any investing, buyer beware. If you don't understand the underlying value of what you are buying, don't buy it.

But ulitimately it is the value of the assets in the investment that determine if it is a good investment or bad one and not whether they are being traded as derivatives or not. That means in the loan reselling business whether there are credit worthy people reliably making their monthly payments.

What a complete load of horse ****. What transpired was fraud. They developed elaborate instruments to disguise the value of what they were selling and hence got them rated as AAA bonds. These were sold by investment houses with the full knowledge that they were worth far less than they claimed.

[JJJ]

They were bought by other firms with their own set of house geniuses. It is not like Joe Six Pack was buying these with his weekend cash.

And in the end buyer beware. If you don't understand the investment, don't but it. These banks and other investors learned that lesson the hard way. They deserved the bankruptcy they got and didn't deserve to get bailed out. They were just all so stupid and greedy that it mushroomed all at once and they got lucky. W had no choice but to do what he did.

The fact remains that had the underlying investments been sound there would be no pain from the derivatives trading. The derivatives ratchet up the speed of a meltdown, no doubt. But at the bottom of the house is the foundation, and that foundation was built on individuals failing to make their loan payments because they simply were too high of credit risks in the first place to ever own a home.

[mhgaffney]

JJJ you are a shill for the people who raped America.

We saw on the other thread -- that you don't know the difference between the truth and a lie.

Essentially you are a lost cause.

[W*GS]

JJJ you are a shill for the people who raped America.

That is, the "banksters" aka "international financiers" aka "Jews".

Have I got your mantra down yet, gaffe?