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epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2011, 11:10 PM
This was a disappointing season for the Denver Broncos offensive line. What looked like a strength for the future under Shanahan came crashing down to earth this past year.

I think that there were alot of reasons why this was the case. 1) The coaching changed, 2) The system changed, 3) A rookie center called the assignments, 4) a rookie guard was featured, 5) Clady was coming off of a devastating injury, 6) Harris was again inconsistent, 7) There were coaching issues that effected the whole team (cameragate and the subsequent McD firing).

Its really difficult to take a look at this group and see what you have and what you need to do moving forward. You know that you have Clady and Kuper as solid players. Clady should be rounding back into form. It usually takes a player a full season to rehab from his injury. Kuper has another year of experience under his belt and will probably be called on along with Clady to captain this group.

So you have Beadles as either your RT or your LG. I thought that Beadles made some progress over the season and looks like a keeper. He's a big, mobile dude with some power. This next year could be a breakout year for him. Its hard to come into the league and dominate like Clady did, so its not fair to judge Beadles by that standard...but Beadles looked like he was a good pulling guard and did okay at tackle at times as well. Beadles is very bright, and I would expect his technique to be refined and his toolbox expanded this next year.

The biggest question, IMO is how Fox will view Walton. Walton struggled at times, but I cant imagine how difficult it is to play rookie as a center. By all indications, Walton is a relatively bright guy and having that full season of experience will be big for him. It will be important that Walton gets solid coaching in preseason. Walton is a power guy who can cut block, is durable and disciplined. I do have some hope that he gets control of that position and becomes one of the keys to the interior run game.

We still dont know who we'll have at RT. It sounds like Ryan Harris may be a goner. This is an important position because its Tebow's back side. I wouldnt be surprised at all if this is a position that the Broncos spend money on in the offseason. It depends on where they put Beadles, but I could see the team making that decision on who they are able to bring in to replace Harris. Some names to watch for: Davin Joseph, Tyson Clabo, Logan Mankins.

So...what did you think of the Broncos' offensive line this past year, and what do you think that they'll do with it in the offseason?

Kaylore
02-09-2011, 06:26 AM
They probably are going to stick to their current man scheme and just try and get better there. Harris is solid but fragile so it will interesting to see how they play that. JD Walton allowed .5 sacks last year, and while he can improve, he did pretty well for a rookie in a scheme Wiegman said was the most challenging he's ever played in. I hope they simplify things so there is less "paralysis by analysis" at the LOS, but it's the same scheme so will be tough to tell.

jutang
02-09-2011, 08:30 AM
I thought the O-line play improved over the last quarter of the season. Don't know how much was due to Tebow's mobility, but there were so many times he dropped back to pass, had a great pocket, but doesn't have the ability to make the correct read quickly enough. Also the run game also improved and there were actual running lanes present.

Walton definitely needs some real competition. RT is a question mark. Other than a FA pickup at 1 or 2 positions, the broncos shouldn't have to address too many resources to the O-line.

BroncoMan4ever
02-09-2011, 08:38 AM
They probably are going to stick to their current man scheme and just try and get better there. Harris is solid but fragile so it will interesting to see how they play that. JD Walton allowed .5 sacks last year, and while he can improve, he did pretty well for a rookie in a scheme Wiegman said was the most challenging he's ever played in. I hope they simplify things so there is less "paralysis by analysis" at the LOS, but it's the same scheme so will be tough to tell.

i think that man scheme is good as gone. the ZBS is back, with some of the man scheme used in certain situations.

and considering it was a rookie year for Walton and Beadles, i can see challengers brought in to push them for their jobs, but they won't just be flat out replaced.

jhns
02-09-2011, 08:40 AM
I would pick up 2-3 new guys this offseason. If Tebow is going to be the starter, it would be a good idea to go after a good RT that isn't injured every season. I would then go after some depth/competition for the interior line. I wouldn't mind seeing some of our young guys get a chance to develope but you also can never be too deep on the line.

Kaylore
02-09-2011, 09:12 AM
i think that man scheme is good as gone. the ZBS is back, with some of the man scheme used in certain situations.
I know Magazu is zone guy, but I think it will more depend on what McCoy wants to do. I wouldn't mind going back to a zone as long as we stay big. I don't want no tiny linemen ever again.

epicSocialism4tw
02-09-2011, 11:23 AM
I know Magazu is zone guy, but I think it will more depend on what McCoy wants to do. I wouldn't mind going back to a zone as long as we stay big. I don't want no tiny linemen ever again.

Yeah. Even though Tebow boosts red zone production, you want to have the ability to run the ball inside the 10.

gyldenlove
02-09-2011, 11:35 AM
I know Magazu is zone guy, but I think it will more depend on what McCoy wants to do. I wouldn't mind going back to a zone as long as we stay big. I don't want no tiny linemen ever again.

Two things that will help our run game more than people are willing to accept:

1. having a head coach who believes in running the football and won't abandon it after the 1st quarter.
2. having an offensive line coach who knows what he is doing.

Bigdawg26
02-09-2011, 12:28 PM
Two things that will help our run game more than people are willing to accept:

1. having a head coach who believes in running the football and won't abandon it after the 1st quarter.
2. having an offensive line coach who knows what he is doing.

Agreed! And having a successful running game will boost the O-linemen's confidence which is really important for young players.

tsiguy96
02-09-2011, 12:42 PM
i think walton graded out as the worst center in the league by PFF last year. to be fair, pouncey was #23.

epicSocialism4tw
02-09-2011, 12:49 PM
i think walton graded out as the worst center in the league by PFF last year. to be fair, pouncey was #23.

Do you have a link? I'd like to see that.

Hamrob
02-09-2011, 12:49 PM
I agree that the Oline looked pretty good down the stretch. I think this will be a strength for us. Clady, Kuper, Harris, Beadles & Walton are all young players. This could be a great line for the next 10 years.

Clady will be coming back fully recovered
Beadles and Walton were given valuable starting time
Kuper became a leader on the Oline with Wiegman gone
Better coaching is on the way

I agree that our biggest question mark is Harris. He's a fee agent...so, we either need to resign him or sign somebody else to play RT. Yes, we could move Beadles to RT as well. So, really...we need to find the best RT or LG out there and determine whether they will improve our Oline more than resigning Harris. I like our chances and I view our Oline as a strength...right behind our receivers.

tsiguy96
02-09-2011, 12:52 PM
Do you have a link? I'd like to see that.

they typically dont post player rankings like that, not that i have ever seen, they talked about it a few times on twitter though. ill look to see if theres a full list.

broncosteven
02-09-2011, 01:17 PM
I know Magazu is zone guy, but I think it will more depend on what McCoy wants to do. I wouldn't mind going back to a zone as long as we stay big. I don't want no tiny linemen ever again.

I agree. We have some big guys who can move well enought to use more zone between the 20's.

I think mCd wanted to use the run to punish teams like Pitt did and make them hurt and wear them down. Thing is even when Pitt was running the ball well their best run was only 15 yards or so, it is hard to pop the home runs without a speed back in the man/power game. It is easy to get longer gains when the back side of the D is on the ground or getting up off the ground.

The other thing you need to be a good/great power/man run team is WR's who can block. I think Gaff was the only good blocker on the team last year a guy like Royal is not going to be able to stay on his block long enough for a slow guy like KM to get by.

I would love to see a move back to zone between the 20's with some well timed traps and counters called and then get big inside the 10.

Just think what a #2 overall DT who can move and come in an be a blocking FB in goalline could do!

broncosteven
02-09-2011, 01:19 PM
Two things that will help our run game more than people are willing to accept:

1. having a head coach who believes in running the football and won't abandon it after the 1st quarter.
2. having an offensive line coach who knows what he is doing.

And an upgrade at RB.

BroncoMan4ever
02-09-2011, 01:21 PM
I know Magazu is zone guy, but I think it will more depend on what McCoy wants to do. I wouldn't mind going back to a zone as long as we stay big. I don't want no tiny linemen ever again.

agreed. big mobile linemen is what i want.

i think the team needs to be efficient in both the ZBS and Man Schemes. ZBS to move the ball up and down the field and Man when we need tough yards.

kupesdad
02-09-2011, 02:44 PM
agreed. big mobile linemen is what i want.

i think the team needs to be efficient in both the ZBS and Man Schemes. ZBS to move the ball up and down the field and Man when we need tough yards.

I would like a CBA please........