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baja
02-03-2011, 08:38 AM
Early I know but what is your take on how you think Elway has done so far.

Chris
02-03-2011, 08:46 AM
good talk

TheReverend
02-03-2011, 08:57 AM
Troll thread

strafen
02-03-2011, 08:58 AM
He needs to keep his mouth shut and realize the media is out to get news no matter how they get it.
He will learn. I think some of the stuff Elway's said have been honest and sincere comments, but he will soon realize how it can quickly be turned into a soap opera.

He will learn...
BTW, tomorrow on the denversportstation.com Elway will be with Vic & Gary at 8am MST. I'm sure they will ask him about the commonets on Orton starting if the season was today, or something like that...

bronco militia
02-03-2011, 09:15 AM
just shut up john

FYI, you're still the greatest

Crushaholic
02-03-2011, 09:15 AM
I have no doubt he has the Broncos' best interest at heart. However, his inexperience could be a hindrance to our rebuilding franchise. We'll see...

baja
02-03-2011, 09:18 AM
Troll thread

You are truly an ass mister you have me on ignore please stay the hell off my threads. You are the biggest negative on this board. If only you could see the rep comments I get saying what a complete dipshiit you are. Please continue to ignore me like you promised.

Smiling Assassin27
02-03-2011, 09:22 AM
as long as he's being himself, i'm cool with it. i've got no problem with what he's said publicly thus far and his moves are solid on paper but it's too early to say much about his performance. his inexperience doesn't worry me much because, at the very least, he built a champion in the Arena League, so he's not entirely wet behind the ears, IMO.

he gets a B for his coaching hire and his representation of the franchise thus far.

maven
02-03-2011, 09:26 AM
John Fox? I mean really....

baja
02-03-2011, 09:30 AM
Elway has an "Awe shucks" john Wayne kind of a personality that is going to appeal to some and rub others the wrong way. He has spoke out of turn on some things early on. He should not have clipped the nuts of Xanders (no place to hide now) even if he deserved it. That was counter productive. In general he may offer too much information to reporters like Peter King (they are going to twist what he says for a story like he did with the Tebow stuff)

He made probably the safest and therefore best hire of a HC given the situation the Broncos are which is ready to fall off the cliff.

It's so hard to read John so far. Either he is dumb like a fox or he has a habit of saying what's on his mind without considering the consequences and given the position he is in that would not be a good thing.

jhns
02-03-2011, 09:31 AM
I say it is way too early to tell. I don't really care what he says, the only thing that matters is what he does. He hasn't had much of a chance to do anything other than get coaches. I still don't know much about the coaches he hired so I don't have an opinion about them yet. I would say the earliest we can even start forming an educated opinion on this situation would be after the draft and free agency. Even then, we won't know much until these guys take the field.

You see, I don't like to blindly love or hate stuff until there is some form or proof that it is good or bad.

baja
02-03-2011, 09:37 AM
I say it is way too early to tell. I don't really care what he says, the only thing that matters is what he does. He hasn't had much of a chance to do anything other than get coaches. I still don't know much about the coaches he hired so I don't have an opinion about them yet. I would say the earliest we can even start forming an educated opinion on this situation would be after the draft and free agency. Even then, we won't know much until these guys take the field.

<b>You see, I don't like to blindly love or hate stuff until there is some form or proof that it is good or bad.

That's pretty funny given you decided to hate McD from the day he was hired.

jhns
02-03-2011, 09:46 AM
That's pretty funny given you decided to hate McD from the day he was hired.

Didn't you just put me on ignore for the 20th time? Why are you responding to me?

I liked the McDaniels hire right up until he started making personnel moves. From then on, it was easy to see he was going to fail. But yes, you should hold my superior intelligence against me.

Smiling Assassin27
02-03-2011, 09:50 AM
John Fox? I mean really....


Fox reminds me of Dan Reeves--a run first, defensive minded guy who preached toughness and wasn't overly imaginative from an offensive standpoint. The difference is that Fox has a very good relationship with his players, from what I've seen. At this point, this franchise needs a Dan Reeves-like presence to rebuild it with a clear identity and move it forward. I just want to see sustained improvement right now, not necessarily a Super Bowl.

NFLBRONCO
02-03-2011, 09:54 AM
I think John has done a great job so far. I liked he wanted to hire a D minded HC at least. He also realized that it might be a good idea to actually go to Senior bowl something Shanny thought he never needed to do. Time will tell how he does with drafting,trades,FA but, he deserves a chance.

baja
02-03-2011, 09:59 AM
Didn't you just put me on ignore for the 20th time? Why are you responding to me?

I liked the McDaniels hire right up until he started making personnel moves. From then on, it was easy to see he was going to fail. But yes, you should hold my superior intelligence against me.

superior intelligence LOL LOL LOL

No I say I was not going to try an discuss anything with you but your in my thread so I commented on a statement of yours which is not an attempt at discussion.

baja
02-03-2011, 10:00 AM
I think John has done a great job so far. I liked he wanted to hire a D minded HC at least. He also realized that it might be a good idea to actually go to Senior bowl something Shanny thought he never needed to do. Time will tell how he does with drafting,trades,FA but, he deserves a chance.

Are you saying the Broncos did not scout the Senior Bowl?

Austin Bronco Fan
02-03-2011, 10:19 AM
I'd say Elway is doing well so far. Even some of the "unnecessary" comments I think are actually being used for a purpose. Way too much was read into his statement about Orton being the starting QB. He's keeping it vague on purpose! Look carefully, and he really hasn't tipped his hand on what the future holds for Orton, Tebow and the like. Those decisions will come in time, and will hopefully be what's best for the team.

Yes, Elway is inexperienced with NFL teams. However, I'm betting he'll be able to use that he learned in the AFL and apply it here. Last I checked, the Crush didn't do too badly while they were around. He also mentioned something that's very telling. He hires to his weaknesses. That means he's going to bring in people to fill in his gaps in knowledge. Great way to work.

He hired probably the best HC he could under his guidelines. Fox will help bring in a strong defense and running game. Yet he's far from a micro-manager, and I suspect he will give his coordinators a lot of free reign. I'm especially looking forward to what our offense could churn out. Imagine an effective running game to go along with McDaniels-type offensive plays. The blend of the two could be dangerous to deal with, and McCoy could find a way to blend the two styles.

Main thing is we'll have to wait and see. So far though, I think Elway will provide what this team needs.

baja
02-03-2011, 10:47 AM
I'd say Elway is doing well so far. Even some of the "unnecessary" comments I think are actually being used for a purpose. Way too much was read into his statement about Orton being the starting QB. He's keeping it vague on purpose! Look carefully, and he really hasn't tipped his hand on what the future holds for Orton, Tebow and the like. Those decisions will come in time, and will hopefully be what's best for the team.

Yes, Elway is inexperienced with NFL teams. However, I'm betting he'll be able to use that he learned in the AFL and apply it here. Last I checked, the Crush didn't do too badly while they were around. <B> He also mentioned something that's very telling. He hires to his weaknesses. That means he's going to bring in people to fill in his gaps in knowledge. Great way to work.</b>

He hired probably the best HC he could under his guidelines. Fox will help bring in a strong defense and running game. Yet he's far from a micro-manager, and I suspect he will give his coordinators a lot of free reign. I'm especially looking forward to what our offense could churn out. Imagine an effective running game to go along with McDaniels-type offensive plays. The blend of the two could be dangerous to deal with, and McCoy could find a way to blend the two styles.

Main thing is we'll have to wait and see. So far though, I think Elway will provide what this team needs.

Good take, well thought out

I was very impressed with this too. The one thing that appears to be incongruent with this thinking is retaining Xanders. Brian is a mystery man so not really able to tell but I wonder how this GM plays to john's weakness unless it's cap stuff and contracts and it that is it why retain him as a GM and not as a cap expert?

DrFate
02-03-2011, 10:52 AM
Short of hiring Fox, I don't think he's done anything yet. We all have high hopes.

Austin Bronco Fan
02-03-2011, 11:03 AM
Good take, well thought out

I was very impressed with this too. The one thing that appears to be incongruent with this thinking is retaining Xanders. Brian is a mystery man so not really able to tell but I wonder how this GM plays to john's weakness unless it's cap stuff and contracts and it that is it why retain him as a GM and not as a cap expert?

Well, Elway did talk to Xanders very extensively. So I imagine the results from that discussion were the basis for Elway retaining Xanders. Elway must think he can contribute.

I have a feeling Xanders is on a leash though. He fails and he could be gone.

jhns
02-03-2011, 12:12 PM
superior intelligence LOL LOL LOL

No I say I was not going to try an discuss anything with you but your in my thread so I commented on a statement of yours which is not an attempt at discussion.

You do realize that you typed this and it doesn't just go away, right?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3106946&postcount=184

Not that it surprises me that McDaniels fans are drama queens. It is the reason you girls liked him so much.

Irish Stout
02-03-2011, 12:14 PM
He is John f'ing Elway.

Mountain Bronco
02-03-2011, 12:21 PM
Those options are awful.

First, he isn't the biggest factor, John Fox and the starting QB are pretty damn big factors at this point, injuries, schedule other teams injuries etc...

This isn't a one man deal d-bags.

So far I like what I see, but I will give him at least 2 years before I pass judgement.

Kaylore
02-03-2011, 01:17 PM
It's impossible to tell.

vancejohnson82
02-03-2011, 01:18 PM
keep your mouth shut John...i want us OUT of the news for a while

baja
02-03-2011, 01:19 PM
It's impossible to tell.

Had he chosen Dennison would say the same?

maven
02-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Fox reminds me of Dan Reeves--a run first, defensive minded guy who preached toughness and wasn't overly imaginative from an offensive standpoint. The difference is that Fox has a very good relationship with his players, from what I've seen. At this point, this franchise needs a Dan Reeves-like presence to rebuild it with a clear identity and move it forward. I just want to see sustained improvement right now, not necessarily a Super Bowl.

Off topic, I wonder if Deangelo Williams will be brought in to complement Moreno (i believe he's a fa)

Pony Boy
02-03-2011, 03:58 PM
keep your mouth shut John...i want us OUT of the news for a while

I agree and hope this doesn't happen

orange crusher
02-03-2011, 04:11 PM
Good take, well thought out

I was very impressed with this too. The one thing that appears to be incongruent with this thinking is retaining Xanders. Brian is a mystery man so not really able to tell but I wonder how this GM plays to john's weakness unless it's cap stuff and contracts and it that is it why retain him as a GM and not as a cap expert?

John is a very rich man. He's probably not used to ordering his own pizza.

~Crash~
02-03-2011, 04:35 PM
Xanders has been given credit for all the Trades we have done as of late all the NFL GM 's really like him but Why Shanahan hired him was cap...

lostknight
02-03-2011, 05:45 PM
Let your actions speak louder then words. I'm worried - I take them at their word that they are considering going with Kyle for another year. That's as much a reflection of the fact that they are in a bid because of the Orton extension last year. I also wish he would play up the positive a bit. Hearing the statements you would think that Tebow was at the bottom of the NFL rookies in QB, not the rookie with the best debut of all of them, in terms of passing, to say nothing about running the ball.

Josh McDaniels and the front office spent the last two years bending us over at every opportunity. I expect the same with Elway, not because that's who he is, but rather like a beaten dog, I don't know what else to expect.

Williams
02-03-2011, 05:50 PM
He is John f'ing Elway.

This.

listopencil
02-03-2011, 06:53 PM
None of those options apply to me. The closest would be:

I am going to say too early to tell, but I like what he is saying and I like his coaching choices. Let's see how the draft goes for starters.

SoCalBronco
02-03-2011, 07:05 PM
I still wish he would not have taken this job because I still dont think he should be running anything or breaking any ties, but whatever. In terms of what he's done so far, we haven't really had any results yet one way or another. He's had some verbal slip ups but nothing too major. We'll see I guess......still not thrilled about the idea.

Play2win
02-03-2011, 07:09 PM
I think John Elway will... WILL us to another championship. He breathes and bleeds the Orange and Blue. He wants this. He wil do whatever he can-- and whatever it takes... to get the job done.

He will do whatever he has to, to get "THE WIN". He did it on the field, now he will do the same thing, just from a different vantage point.

Austin Bronco Fan
02-03-2011, 07:28 PM
I still wish he would not have taken this job because I still dont think he should be running anything or breaking any ties, but whatever. In terms of what he's done so far, we haven't really had any results yet one way or another. He's had some verbal slip ups but nothing too major. We'll see I guess......still not thrilled about the idea.

He's probably the only one that Bowlen trusts with his team.

Pat knows he can't be as involved with the team as he once was. Elway seems to be his proxy more than anything else. A way for Pat to remove himself from the equation while he still has most of his faculties.

I'm glad he took it on. It seems he has the right attitude and right way to set the front office back to where it should be.