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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-02-2011, 12:10 AM
The failure to close the circle in saying who started the nation off on the path toward these disasters is because nearly everyone shies away from blaming Ronald Reagan for almost anything.

The overpowering consensus in Washington is that it’s political suicide to criticize the 40th president of the United States, whose centennial birthday on Feb. 6 will be celebrated elaborately.

It’s much safer to behave like MSNBC’s “Hardball” host Chris Matthews and simply accept that Reagan was “one of the all-time greats.”

But the truth is that Reagan’s current historical reputation rests more on the effectiveness of the Republican propaganda machine – and the timidity of many Democrats and media personalities – than on his actual record of accomplishments.

Indeed, many of today’s worst national and international problems can be traced to misjudgments and malfeasance from the Reagan years – from the swelling national debt to out-of-control banks, from the decline of the U.S. middle class to the inaction on energy independence, from the rise of Islamic fundamentalism to Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.

All of these disasters are part of the Reagan Legacy. Yet, possibly the most insidious residue from the Reagan Years was the concept of manipulating information – what some Reagan officials liked to call “perception management” – as a means of societal control.

In that endeavor, Reagan’s team took aim at two key entities – the CIA’s analytical division and the Washington press corps – with the realization that if the information produced and disseminated by those two groups could be controlled then the insider community of Washington and the broader American public could be managed.

That enabled the Reagan administration to exaggerate the threat posed by the Soviet Union (after Reagan’s CIA chief William Casey and his deputy Robert Gates purged many of the CIA analysts who correctly saw a decaying empire eager for accommodation with the West).

Similarly, well-financed right-wing operatives and administration officials worked to marginalize mainstream journalists (the “liberal press”) who raised troublesome questions about Reagan’s domestic and foreign policies.

The impact of these information strategies had deadly consequences even years later, such as when President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney essentially dictated the intelligence “analysis” on Iraq’s WMD to the CIA and the Washington press corps fell in line behind the march to war.

Even today, President Barack Obama complains that his options for addressing the nation’s growing problems are limited by what he calls the Reagan "narrative,” demonizing government. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “Obama’s Fear of the Reagan Narrative.”]

A Central Narrative

The Reagan Legacy also lives on as the central narrative of the now-empowered Republican Party and its Tea Party allies. The answer to domestic problems is always to cut taxes, slash government regulations and trust the private sector, while the cure for international threats is to talk tough and to take down governments that won’t obey.

For Republicans, virtually all issues must be shoved into the straitjacket of Reagan’s orthodoxy, while the Right’s powerful media continues to build false narratives for public consumption thus guaranteeing that alternative approaches are met with unrelenting hostility.

This strategy works, in part, because progressives lack a sufficient messaging apparatus to counter the Reagan narrative and Democratic politicians know that they risk retaliation if they challenge too directly the pleasant conventional wisdom about Reagan.

So, instead of a blunt recognition of Reagan’s responsibility for crises, the 30-year reference slides in as if something mysterious about the early 1980s explains how later catastrophes originated. There is no who-done-it in these mysteries; Reagan must be kept enshrined as the genial ex-actor who revived the American spirit after those trying days of the 1970s.

However, if future historians are fair (and that is no sure thing), the reevaluation of Ronald Reagan should start with a reassessment of the “failed” presidents from the 1970s – Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. All may deserve more credit than they got for trying to grapple with problems that now bedevil the country.

For instance, Nixon, Ford and Carter won scant praise for addressing the systemic challenges from America’s oil dependence, environmental degradation, the arms race, and nuclear proliferation – all issues that Reagan essentially ignored and that now threaten the future of America and the planet.

These presidents also followed a generally moderate course on economic policies, finding bipartisan approaches to challenges like inflation and budget deficits, which were a tiny fraction of today's numbers.

Nixon – despite his ugly paranoia and noxious bigotry – helped create the Environmental Protection Agency; he imposed energy-conservation measures; he opened the diplomatic door to communist China. Nixon’s administration also detected the growing weakness in the Soviet Union and advocated a policy of détente (a plan for bringing the Cold War to an end or at least curbing its most dangerous excesses).

After Nixon’s resignation in the Watergate scandal, Ford continued many of Nixon’s policies, particularly trying to wind down the Cold War with Moscow. However, confronting a rebellion from Reagan’s Republican Right in 1976, Ford abandoned “détente.”

Ford also let hard-line Cold Warriors (and a first wave of young intellectuals who became known as neoconservatives) pressure the CIA’s analytical division (the so-called "Team-B Experiment"), and he brought in a new generation of hard-liners, including Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.

After defeating Ford in 1976, Carter injected more respect for human rights into U.S. foreign policy, a move some scholars believe put an important nail in the coffin of the Soviet Union, leaving it hard-pressed to justify the repressive internal practices of the East Bloc.

Carter also emphasized the need to contain the spread of nuclear weapons, especially in unstable countries like Pakistan.

Domestically, Carter pushed a comprehensive energy policy and warned Americans that their growing dependence on foreign oil represented a national security threat, what he famously called “the moral equivalent of war.”

However, powerful vested interests – both domestic and foreign – managed to exploit the shortcomings of these three presidents to sabotage any sustained progress. By 1980, Reagan had emerged as the Pied Piper luring the American people away from the tough choices that Nixon, Ford and Carter had defined. [See Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege.]

Sunny Disposition

With his superficially sunny disposition – and a ruthless political strategy of exploiting white-male resentments – Reagan convinced millions of Americans that the threats they faced were: African-American welfare queens, Central American leftists, a rapidly expanding Evil Empire based in Moscow, and the do-good federal government.

In his First Inaugural Address in 1981, Reagan declared that “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

When it came to cutting back on America’s energy use, Reagan’s message could be boiled down to the old reggae lyric, “Don’t worry, be happy.” Rather than pressing Detroit to build smaller, fuel-efficient cars, Reagan made clear that the auto industry could manufacture gas-guzzlers without much nagging from Washington.

The same with the environment. Reagan intentionally staffed the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior Department with officials who were hostile toward regulation aimed at protecting the environment.

Reagan pushed for deregulation of industries, including banking; he slashed income taxes for the wealthiest Americans in an experiment known as “supply side” economics, which held falsely that cutting rates for the rich would increase revenues and eliminate the federal deficit.

Over the years, “supply side” would evolve into a secular religion for many on the Right, but Reagan’s budget director David Stockman once blurted out the truth, that it would lead to red ink “as far as the eye could see.”

While conceding that some of Reagan’s economic plans did not work out as intended, his defenders – including many mainstream journalists – still argue that Reagan should be hailed as a great President because he “won the Cold War,” a short-hand phrase that they like to attach to his historical biography.

However, a strong case can be made that the Cold War was won well before Reagan arrived in the White House. Indeed, in the 1970s, it was a common perception in the U.S. intelligence community that the Cold War between the United States and the Soviet Union was winding down, largely because the Soviet economic model had lost the technological race with the West.

That was the view of many Kremlinologists in the CIA’s analytical division. Also, I was told by a senior CIA’s operations official that some of the CIA’s best spies inside the Soviet hierarchy supported the view that the Soviet Union was headed toward collapse, not surging toward world supremacy, as Reagan and his foreign policy team insisted in the early 1980s.

The CIA analysis was the basis for the détente that was launched by Nixon and Ford, essentially seeking a negotiated solution to the most dangerous remaining aspects of the Cold War.

In that view, Soviet military operations, including sending troops into Afghanistan in 1979, were mostly defensive in nature. In Afghanistan, the Soviets hoped to prop up a secular pro-communist government that was seeking to modernize the country but was beset by opposition from Islamic fundamentalists who were getting covert support from the U.S. government.

Though the Afghan covert operation originated with Cold Warriors in the Carter administration, especially national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, the war was dramatically ramped up under Reagan.

Reagan and CIA Director Casey also were willing to trade U.S. acquiescence toward Pakistan’s nuclear arms program for its help in shipping weaponry to the Afghan jihadists (including a young Saudi named Osama bin Laden). [See Consortiumnews.com’s “Reagan’s Bargain/Charlie Wilson’s War.”]

Making Matters Worse

While Reagan’s acolytes cite the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan as decisive in “winning the Cold War,” the counter-argument is that Moscow was already in disarray – and while failure in Afghanistan may have sped the Soviet Union’s final collapse – it also created twin dangers for the future of the world: the rise of al-Qaeda terrorism and the nuclear bomb in the hands of Pakistan’s unstable Islamic Republic.

In other words, Reagan’s over-reaction to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan created even worse long-term threats to U.S. national security. And, instead of crediting Reagan with “winning the Cold War,” it could be argued that he extended it unnecessarily – at great cost in lives and money.

Reagan’s actions elsewhere in the world also damaged long-term U.S. interests. In Latin America, for instance, Reagan’s brutal strategy of arming right-wing militaries to crush peasant, student and labor uprisings created a legacy of anti-Americanism that has resurfaced in the emergence of populist leftist governments.

In Nicaragua, Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega (whom Reagan once denounced as a “dictator in designer glasses”) returned to power. In El Salvador, the leftist FMLN won the last presidential election. Indeed, across the region, hostility to Washington is now the rule, creating openings for China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and other American rivals.

In the early 1980s, Reagan also credentialed a young generation of neocon intellectuals, who pioneered a concept called “perception management,” the shaping of how Americans saw, understood and were frightened by threats from abroad.

To marginalize dissent, Reagan and his subordinates stoked anger toward anyone who challenged the era’s feel-good optimism. Skeptics were not just honorable critics, they were un-American defeatists or – in Jeane Kirkpatrick’s memorable attack line – they would “blame America first.”

Under Reagan, a right-wing infrastructure took shape, linking media outlets (magazines, newspapers, books, etc.) with well-financed think tanks that churned out endless op-eds and research papers. Plus, there were attack groups that went after mainstream journalists who dared disclose information that poked holes in Reagan’s propaganda themes.

In effect, Reagan’s team created a faux reality for the American public. Civil wars in Central America between impoverished peasants and wealthy oligarchs became East-West showdowns. U.S.-backed insurgents in Nicaragua, Angola and Afghanistan were transformed from corrupt, brutal (often drug-tainted) thugs into noble “freedom-fighters.”

With the Iran-Contra schemes of 1984-86, Reagan also revived Richard Nixon’s theory of an imperial presidency that could ignore the nation’s laws and evade accountability through criminal cover-ups. That behavior would rear its head again in the war crimes of George W. Bush. [For details on Reagan’s abuses, see Robert Parry’s Lost History and Secrecy & Privilege.]

Wall Street Greed

The American Dream also dimmed during Reagan’s tenure.

While he played the role of the nation’s kindly grandfather, his operatives divided the American people, using “wedge issues” to deepen grievances especially of white men who were encouraged to see themselves as victims of “reverse discrimination” and “political correctness.”

Yet even as working-class white men were rallying to the Republican banner (as so-called “Reagan Democrats”), their economic interests were being savaged. Unions were broken and marginalized; “free trade” policies shipped manufacturing jobs abroad; old neighborhoods were decaying; drug use among the young was soaring.

Meanwhile, unprecedented greed was unleashed on Wall Street, fraying old-fashioned bonds between company owners and employees.

Before Reagan, corporate CEOs earned less than 50 times the salary of an average worker. By the end of the Reagan-Bush-I administrations in 1993, the average CEO salary was more than 100 times that of a typical worker. (At the end of the Bush-II administration, that CEO-salary figure was more than 250 times that of an average worker.)

Many other trends set during the Reagan era continued to corrode the U.S. political process in the years after Reagan left office. After 9/11, for instance, the neocons reemerged as a dominant force, reprising their “perception management” tactics, depicting the “war on terror” – like the last days of the Cold War – as a terrifying conflict between good and evil.

The hyping of the Islamic threat mirrored the neocons’ exaggerated depiction of the Soviet menace in the 1980s – and again the propaganda strategy worked. Many Americans let their emotions run wild, from the hunger for revenge after 9/11 to the war fever over invading Iraq.

Arguably, the descent into this dark fantasyland – that Ronald Reagan began in the early 1980s – reached its nadir in the flag-waving early days of the Iraq War. Only gradually did reality begin to reassert itself as the death toll mounted in Iraq and the Katrina disaster reminded Americans why they needed an effective government.

Still, the disasters – set in motion by Ronald Reagan – continued to roll in. George W. Bush’s Reagan-esque tax cuts for the rich blew another huge hole in the federal budget and the Reagan-esque anti-regulatory fervor contributed to a massive financial meltdown that threw the nation into economic chaos.

The majority report of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission blamed the banking crisis, in part, on “30 years of deregulation and reliance on self-regulation.” (Not surprisingly, the four Republicans on the commission refused to sign on, seeking to lay greater blame on government policies for encouraging home ownership.)

GOP Icon

Republicans continue to enforce the notion that Reagan is an untouchable icon, that his memory and his policies must be revered. After the GOP gained control of Congress in 1994, the party rushed to name as many public sites after Reagan as possible, seeking to elevate their hero to the stature of martyred leaders like John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr.

In that endeavor, the Republicans often had the help of Democrats who saw honoring Reagan as an easy gesture of political bipartisanship, apparently unaware of – or unwilling to contest – the larger GOP strategy of solidifying the status of Reaganism as much as Reagan.

For instance, early in Campaign 2008, when Barack Obama was positioning himself as a bipartisan political figure who could appeal to Republicans, he bowed to the Reagan mystique, hailing the GOP icon as a leader who “changed the trajectory of America.”

Though Obama’s chief point was that Reagan in 1980 “put us on a fundamentally different path” – a point which may be historically undeniable – Obama went further, justifying Reagan's course correction because of “all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s, and government had grown and grown, but there wasn’t much sense of accountability.”

While Obama later clarified his point to say he didn't mean to endorse Reagan's conservative policies, Obama seemed to suggest that Reagan's 1980 election administered a needed dose of accountability to the United States when Reagan actually did the opposite. Reagan’s presidency represented a dangerous escape from accountability – and reality. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “Obama’s Dubious Praise for Reagan.”]

Obama and congressional Democrats have continued to pander to the Reagan myth. In 2009, President Obama hailed Ronald Reagan while welcoming Nancy Reagan to the White House and signing a law creating a panel to honor Reagan’s 100th birthday on Feb. 6, 2011.

“President Reagan helped as much as any President to restore a sense of optimism in our country, a spirit that transcended politics – that transcended even the most heated arguments of the day,” Obama said.

It may take many more years before a mainstream politician or a journalist who cares about future employment dares speak truthfully about Reagan and the grievous harm that his presidency inflicted on the American Republic and the people of the Earth.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/012811.html

Rohirrim
02-02-2011, 08:21 AM
Here's another good read on the uber-fail that was Ronald Reagan:

Before we go too far down this road, it is worth a reality check. Reagan, no doubt, was a transformational president. His presidency marked the beginning of 30 years of conservative domination of our politics, although Rick Perlstein argues persuasively that Nixonland tilled the soil of racial and cultural division that Reagan cultivated. (Not by accident did Reagan open his campaign in the unreachable Philadelphia, Mississippi, previously known only as the site of the infamous murders of civil rights workers Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney, where he announced his belief in "state's rights").

But take a good look at the conservative mantra that Reagan championed: less spending, low taxes, deregulation, free trade, strong military, family values. On all of these, the Gipper and conservatives got it wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/the-reagan-ruins_b_816820.html

Rigs11
02-02-2011, 08:26 AM
i heard they are going to honor him at the superbowl. what is it whith the US idlolizing past presidents?this goes for dems and repubs.

Rohirrim
02-02-2011, 08:43 AM
Damn. When you read what Reagan did he has to rise to the top of the list of worst presidents of all time. After all, even the Bushes were only following in his footsteps. The shame is that Americans in their 20s and 30s have no idea what America was like before Reagan. They've been immersed in the "Reagan narrative" their whole lives and have never heard an alternative.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-02-2011, 06:13 PM
The shame is that Americans in their 20s and 30s have no idea what America was like before Reagan. They've been immersed in the "Reagan narrative" their whole lives and have never heard an alternative.

Yes, it's a huge shame inasmuch as this ignorance on the part of the Bush Youth is what opened the door for the smirking sociopath.

cutthemdown
02-02-2011, 06:15 PM
Calif been firmly liberal whats the problem here?

baja
02-02-2011, 07:07 PM
Here's another good read on the uber-fail that was Ronald Reagan:

Before we go too far down this road, it is worth a reality check. Reagan, no doubt, was a transformational president. His presidency marked the beginning of 30 years of conservative domination of our politics, although Rick Perlstein argues persuasively that Nixonland tilled the soil of racial and cultural division that Reagan cultivated. (Not by accident did Reagan open his campaign in the unreachable Philadelphia, Mississippi, previously known only as the site of the infamous murders of civil rights workers Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney, where he announced his belief in "state's rights").

But take a good look at the conservative mantra that Reagan championed: less spending, low taxes, deregulation, free trade, strong military, family values. On all of these, the Gipper and conservatives got it wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/the-reagan-ruins_b_816820.html

I knew when he was elected it marked to beginning of the end of the good life in America for the average guy. It is what prompted me moving to Mexico. Most here have no idea how bad it is going to get.

BroncoLifer
02-02-2011, 10:14 PM
Haters gonna hate.

ant1999e
02-02-2011, 10:46 PM
LABF's boy's ****ing up so bad he's pulling out all the stops. Talk about desperate.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-03-2011, 03:13 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-03-2011, 03:15 AM
LABF's boy's ****ing up so bad he's pulling out all the stops. Talk about desperate.

Whereas you're so desperate to cover up the fact that you can't really deny anything that was said about your hero in the OP that you post this kind of deflection.

chadta
02-03-2011, 04:40 AM
^

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs280.snc6/180887_188530804502126_114270361928171_545573_2162 607_n.jpg

Altho it is not true that all Muslims are Terrorists, it is true that most terrorists are Muslim :thumbsup:

Long as were going to make general statements about other peoples beliefs.

TailgateNut
02-03-2011, 06:02 AM
Altho it is not true that all Muslims are Terrorists, it is true that most terrorists are Muslim :thumbsup:

Long as were going to make general statements about other peoples beliefs.

How many people on the globe are muslim?...and 1/2 of that is?.....if we had that many terrorists to battle we'd wouldn't have a chance!

On the other hand, that conservative/stupid math is more in line with the truth/reality.

Garcia Bronco
02-03-2011, 08:13 AM
Reagan was one of the best Presidents we ever had. Clinton is turning into being one of the worst. That dip**** signed NAFTA and the de-regulated the banks and investment houses that set the stage for the current economic mess.

Mile High Shack
02-03-2011, 08:27 AM
I'm pretty sure GW2 did most of the deregulation

Rohirrim
02-03-2011, 08:32 AM
Reagan was one of the best Presidents we ever had. Clinton is turning into being one of the worst. That dip**** signed NAFTA and the de-regulated the banks and investment houses that set the stage for the current economic mess.

He was, as it happened, wrong about solving the problems of the thrifts. On the contrary, the bill turned the modest-sized troubles of savings-and-loan institutions into an utter catastrophe. But he was right about the legislation’s significance. And as for that jackpot — well, it finally came more than 25 years later, in the form of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

For the more one looks into the origins of the current disaster, the clearer it becomes that the key wrong turn — the turn that made crisis inevitable — took place in the early 1980s, during the Reagan years.

Attacks on Reaganomics usually focus on rising inequality and fiscal irresponsibility. Indeed, Reagan ushered in an era in which a small minority grew vastly rich, while working families saw only meager gains. He also broke with longstanding rules of fiscal prudence.

On the latter point: traditionally, the U.S. government ran significant budget deficits only in times of war or economic emergency. Federal debt as a percentage of G.D.P. fell steadily from the end of World War II until 1980. But indebtedness began rising under Reagan; it fell again in the Clinton years, but resumed its rise under the Bush administration, leaving us ill prepared for the emergency now upon us.

The increase in public debt was, however, dwarfed by the rise in private debt, made possible by financial deregulation. The change in America’s financial rules was Reagan’s biggest legacy. And it’s the gift that keeps on taking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/opinion/01krugman.html

These defaults in turn wreaked havoc with a financial system that — also mainly thanks to Reagan-era deregulation — took on too much risk with too little capital.

There’s plenty of blame to go around these days. But the prime villains behind the mess we’re in were Reagan and his circle of advisers — men who forgot the lessons of America’s last great financial crisis, and condemned the rest of us to repeat it.

Spider
02-03-2011, 08:33 AM
Reagan was one of the best Presidents we ever had. Clinton is turning into being one of the worst. That dip**** signed NAFTA and the de-regulated the banks and investment houses that set the stage for the current economic mess.

you are full of **** ........ Bout Reagan ...Maybe you are tryin to get at LABF , get under his skin , maybe thats why you made such a dumbass comment

Arkie
02-03-2011, 11:32 AM
Reagan and Clinton are like rock stars. Look at Clinton's approval rating trend from the '94 elections to Lewinsky. It's almost identical to Reagan's approval from '83 (tax cuts?) to Iran Contra.

http://philosophistry.com/scans/2009/01/presidential-cycles.gif

Spider
02-03-2011, 12:33 PM
Reagan and Clinton are like rock stars. Look at Clinton's approval rating trend from the '94 elections to Lewinsky. It's almost identical to Reagan's approval from '83 (tax cuts?) to Iran Contra.

http://philosophistry.com/scans/2009/01/presidential-cycles.gif

Ronnie did some good things , but when he interjected government in labor dispute , he ****ed the middle class for good

Rigs11
02-03-2011, 01:43 PM
Altho it is not true that all Muslims are Terrorists, it is true that most terrorists are Muslim :thumbsup:

Long as were going to make general statements about other peoples beliefs.

Depends on who is using the terrorist label. Hell Dubya was considered more dangerous than Kim Jong-il .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/03/terrorism.northkorea

orinjkrush
02-03-2011, 06:20 PM
wonder when ronnie went from being a union organizer to the darth vader of the rich?

did he have an embolism or something?

chadta
02-04-2011, 05:10 AM
Depends on who is using the terrorist label. Hell Dubya was considered more dangerous than Kim Jong-il .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/03/terrorism.northkorea


touche

mhgaffney
02-04-2011, 10:25 AM
It's important to understand that Ronnie Ray-gun was just the vehicle. Reagan was the puppet for the Rockefellers to impose their plan on the world -- to vastly increase corporate and bank profits at the expense of everyone else.

The plan was first articulated in 1973 -- see Engdahl's book THE GODS OF MONEY.

It was the start of neo liberalism --

The first act was to force the world to bear the burden of US budget deficits during the Viet nam war. Rockefeller's point man Kissinger did this by refusing to negotiate with Anwar Sadat.

Kissinger treated Sadat like a nig-ger -- forcing Sadat to go to war in 1973 to gain respect. After the Yom Kippur war -- the Saudis imposed the oil embargo --

MOre importantly -- OPEC raised the price of oil by 400%. The surplus of US dollars caused by our deficit spending during the Viet Nam war quickly moved to S Arabia to pay the higher cost of oil.

The saudis in turn bought US arms -- in huge amounts -- or inked deals with Us contractors for vast construction projects in S Arabia.

Thus the surplus of dollars ended up in US banks -- which loaned them out to third world nations at adjustable interest rates.

This was part of the plan to rape the third world. The higher oil prices caused world wide inflation -- but the Rockefellers also used this to increase their own wealth and power.

Their chosen vehicle: Paul Volcker -- named by Carter to be chairman of the fed in 1979. Volcker imposed high interest rates to control inflation.

The combined high oil prices and high interest rates gouged the third world. In fact it was the greatest rip off of wealth in world history -- up to that point. Only the recent bail outs were larger.

Read the Gods of Money. Engdahl lays it all out in detail -- how we have been screwed.

TonyR
02-04-2011, 10:38 AM
Do Americans, less than a decade after his death, have a clear idea of who he was?

...

Reagan is sometimes misunderstood, adopted for causes or ideas that don't dovetail neatly with his record in office.

Reagan is seen as an apostle of lower taxes, but he supported what was then the largest tax increase in California history when he served as governor, from 1967 to 1975.

Cutting deals with Democratic leaders in Congress, he slashed and raised taxes during his White House days.

The debt held by the public climbed on his watch — from $712 billion in 1980 to $2 trillion in 1988, and he never presented a balanced budget to Congress during his eight years in office.

The president remembered for a massive military buildup also proposed abolishing nuclear weapons.

Known for traditional, Christian values, he was divorced and remarried and, according to his son's book, received a D-grade in a college course on Christ's life.

He's often embraced by conservatives who want to see Social Security privatized, yet Reagan blessed a 1982 Social Security commission's blueprint for solvency that generated almost three decades of surpluses.

Conservative bristle at proposals to provide amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants, but a 1986 law signed by Reagan established a one-year amnesty program for illegal immigrants who'd been in the United States at least four years. An estimated 2.7 million people took advantage.

Talk radio and cable TV are thick with praise for Reagan, yet the president was a pragmatic politician who compromised with Democrats and counted House Speaker Thomas "Tip" O'Neill among his friends.

In some cases, "he didn't do exactly what people are crediting him with, particularly on the right," Reagan biographer Lou Cannon says.

...

As Reagan's reputation grew in recent years, it has overshadowed troubled periods of his presidency, including the Iran-Contra arms scandal and the fight over the "Star Wars" missile defense initiative.

...

"He's passed on into mythology now," says former Reagan speechwriter and adviser Peter Hannaford, who worked on Reagan's 1976 and 1980 campaigns. With the passage of time "the positives get stronger and stronger, and the details of what worked well and what didn't work so well fall away, particularly the things that didn't."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110203/ap_on_re_us/us_reagan_centennial

bombay
02-04-2011, 11:07 AM
The Father of the debt explosion that's killing the country.

Hosannas.

Rohirrim
02-04-2011, 11:10 AM
It's important to understand that Ronnie Ray-gun was just the vehicle. Reagan was the puppet for the Rockefellers to impose their plan on the world -- to vastly increase corporate and bank profits at the expense of everyone else.

The plan was first articulated in 1973 -- see Engdahl's book THE GODS OF MONEY.

It was the start of neo liberalism --

The first act was to force the world to bear the burden of US budget deficits during the Viet nam war. Rockefeller's point man Kissinger did this by refusing to negotiate with Anwar Sadat.

Kissinger treated Sadat like a nig-ger -- forcing Sadat to go to war in 1973 to gain respect. After the Yom Kippur war -- the Saudis imposed the oil embargo --

MOre importantly -- OPEC raised the price of oil by 400%. The surplus of US dollars caused by our deficit spending during the Viet Nam war quickly moved to S Arabia to pay the higher cost of oil.

The saudis in turn bought US arms -- in huge amounts -- or inked deals with Us contractors for vast construction projects in S Arabia.

Thus the surplus of dollars ended up in US banks -- which loaned them out to third world nations at adjustable interest rates.

This was part of the plan to rape the third world. The higher oil prices caused world wide inflation -- but the Rockefellers also used this to increase their own wealth and power.

Their chosen vehicle: Paul Volcker -- named by Carter to be chairman of the fed in 1979. Volcker imposed high interest rates to control inflation.

The combined high oil prices and high interest rates gouged the third world. In fact it was the greatest rip off of wealth in world history -- up to that point. Only the recent bail outs were larger.

Read the Gods of Money. Engdahl lays it all out in detail -- how we have been screwed.

You must post from under your bed. Ha!

JJJ
02-04-2011, 02:28 PM
Ronnie did some good things , but when he interjected government in labor dispute , he ****ed the middle class for good

http://philosophistry.com/scans/2009/01/presidential-cycles.gif

The one takeaway from this chart is if you want to be popular start a war. Truman (though he didn't start it), Kennedy, and the Bushes all peaked on war sentiment it looks like.

Reagan was solid. Ran up a bit too much debt but nothing to cry over especially compared to the toothy one.

NUB
02-04-2011, 03:49 PM
Reagan's Administration laid the seeds for so many of today's problems it would be difficult to cover them all although the first post takes a decent crack at it.

Some people often wonder how it is that Reagan's image is not only kept tidy, but that his image has perpetuated itself as an iconic form of conservatism to this day. I think Andrew Bacevich in his book Limits of Power (http://www.amazon.com/Limits-Power-End-American-Exceptionalism/dp/0805088156) hit it right on the head,

Far more accurately than Jimmy Carter, Reagan understood what made Americans tick: They wanted self-gratification, not self-denial. Although always careful to embroider his speeches with inspirational homilies and testimonials to old-fashioned virtues, Reagan mainly indulged American self-indulgence.

mhgaffney
02-04-2011, 07:05 PM
Reagan solid? The man was brain dead before the end of his first term.

Meanwhile, his VP Bush masterminded an illegal Contra war that featured arms smuggling going in one direction -- and crack cocaine in the other.

The coke (and hundreds of millions in laundered $) went through the Clinton political machine in Arkansas. All of which showed that corruption in the US is a non partisan phenomenon.

This continues to be the case.

JJJ
02-05-2011, 03:08 AM
Reagan solid? The man was brain dead before the end of his first term.

Meanwhile, his VP Bush masterminded an illegal Contra war that featured arms smuggling going in one direction -- and crack cocaine in the other.

The coke (and hundreds of millions in laundered $) went through the Clinton political machine in Arkansas. All of which showed that corruption in the US is a non partisan phenomenon.

This continues to be the case.

You really are a complete idiot.

Reagan turned around a mortally wounded economy and got Gorby to tear down the wall freeing up millions of what were basically enslaved people. For those two things alone he will be revered for all long time to come.

While the left blah, blah, blahs all day long about civil rights and freedom it is conservative leaders like Reagan and Bush who actually deliver it.

The world has more democracy and less dictators now than ever thanks to leaders like them who put the basic human right to be free above all else and have the balls to put their money and power behind achieving it.

baja
02-05-2011, 03:36 AM
The Soviet Union collapsed from within Reagan had little to do with that

The USA is about to collapse from within Reagan had much more to do with that.

JJJ
02-05-2011, 03:55 AM
The Soviet Union collapsed from within Reagan had little to do with that

The USA is about to collapse from within Reagan had much more to do with that.

ROFL!

Dream on my friend. Dream on.

Jimmah would still be negotiating with Gorby today if we hadn't of put an end to that dismally weak administration.

mhgaffney
02-05-2011, 12:33 PM
You really are a complete idiot.

Reagan turned around a mortally wounded economy and got Gorby to tear down the wall freeing up millions of what were basically enslaved people. For those two things alone he will be revered for all long time to come.

While the left blah, blah, blahs all day long about civil rights and freedom it is conservative leaders like Reagan and Bush who actually deliver it.

The world has more democracy and less dictators now than ever thanks to leaders like them who put the basic human right to be free above all else and have the balls to put their money and power behind achieving it.

You have no clue.

The horrible economy you mention came about because of the US power elite's plan to jack up the price of oil by 400% in 1973. I posted the rationale for this on the Gods of Money thread -- and will only briefly recap it here.

The decision was made at a secret meeting of the Bilderburgers in May 1973. Kissinger was a part of this evil plan. The meeting was secret. The decision therefor meets the definition of a conspiracy.

Kissinger rebuffed Egyptian President Sadat's every attempt to get peace talks going with Israel. In fact, Kissinger treated Sadat like a nig-ger. Sadat had no choice but to go to war to get respect.

As we know - as a result of the US arms pipeline to Israel during the Oct 1973 Yom Kippur war --- the Saudis cut off the oil flow. So, events followed perfectly the plan to dramatically raise oil prices.

The sharp spike in oil prices forced the world to pay for the US budget deficits run up during the Viet Nam War. The resulting surplus of US dollars in foreign banks had been a huge problem. The dollar was threatened.

But the sharp spike in oil fixed this. Suddenly the surplus of dollars were needed to pay off the increased price of oil. The dollars flowed to S Arabia -- which had a secret deal with the US.

S Arabia used the $$$ to purchase vast amounts of US arms -- and signed big contracts with US firms for major construction projects in S Arabia. Thus, the surplus of dollars flowed back to US banks.

Nonetheless -- the increased cost of oil led to major world inflation by the end of Carter's presidency. Carter came under intense pressure from his sponsor (David Rockefeller) to name P. Volcker to head the fed.

Volcker immediately instituted crushing interest rates to cure the inflation that the US had caused by jacking up oil prices.

The high interest rates helped to destroy the US economy. With such rates in place -- no long term investment could happen. Instead, a rash of speculation in real estate, the currency market and the stock market followed. The result was a huge bubble that ended with the 1987 stock market crash..

Reagan's policies also helped destroy the unions -- and helped destroy the family farm. During this period the US became a debtor nation for the first time. US industry collapsed -- starting with the steel industry. Wages fell.

Finally -- after the 1987 crash -- Reagan was pressured to pick W. Greenspan to replace Volcker. Greenspan immediately launched the next phase of the US power elite's plan to transfer wealth from the public sector into private hands. The so called securitization revolution.

These policies led directly to the 2007-2008 meltdown.

This is the real history. Reagan was a stooge -- of the US power elite. We are in deep doodoo thanks to Reagan.

W*GS
02-05-2011, 12:42 PM
You forgot the lizard people, gaff-o.

http://sageduck.org/interesting/world-conspiracy-chart.jpg

mhgaffney
02-05-2011, 12:48 PM
The present melt down of our national economy is compelling evidence to any thinking person -=- that something has been seriously amiss.

Of course, people are free to conclude that it all happened by accident.

Like the lone gunman.

Requiem
02-05-2011, 12:52 PM
Gaffney, what do you expect to happen to the value of the USD over the next 10 years? How about five?

What should I do with my mOnEY?

JJJ
02-05-2011, 02:35 PM
You have no clue.

The horrible economy you mention came about because of the US power elite's plan to jack up the price of oil by 400% in 1973. I posted the rationale for this on the Gods of Money thread -- and will only briefly recap it here.

The decision was made at a secret meeting of the Bilderburgers in May 1973. Kissinger was a part of this evil plan. The meeting was secret. The decision therefor meets the definition of a conspiracy.

Kissinger rebuffed Egyptian President Sadat's every attempt to get peace talks going with Israel. In fact, Kissinger treated Sadat like a nig-ger. Sadat had no choice but to go to war to get respect.

As we know - as a result of the US arms pipeline to Israel during the Oct 1973 Yom Kippur war --- the Saudis cut off the oil flow. So, events followed perfectly the plan to dramatically raise oil prices.

The sharp spike in oil prices forced the world to pay for the US budget deficits run up during the Viet Nam War. The resulting surplus of US dollars in foreign banks had been a huge problem. The dollar was threatened.

But the sharp spike in oil fixed this. Suddenly the surplus of dollars were needed to pay off the increased price of oil. The dollars flowed to S Arabia -- which had a secret deal with the US.

S Arabia used the $$$ to purchase vast amounts of US arms -- and signed big contracts with US firms for major construction projects in S Arabia. Thus, the surplus of dollars flowed back to US banks.

Nonetheless -- the increased cost of oil led to major world inflation by the end of Carter's presidency. Carter came under intense pressure from his sponsor (David Rockefeller) to name P. Volcker to head the fed.

Volcker immediately instituted crushing interest rates to cure the inflation that the US had caused by jacking up oil prices.

The high interest rates helped to destroy the US economy. With such rates in place -- no long term investment could happen. Instead, a rash of speculation in real estate, the currency market and the stock market followed. The result was a huge bubble that ended with the 1987 stock market crash..

Reagan's policies also helped destroy the unions -- and helped destroy the family farm. During this period the US became a debtor nation for the first time. US industry collapsed -- starting with the steel industry. Wages fell.

Finally -- after the 1987 crash -- Reagan was pressured to pick W. Greenspan to replace Volcker. Greenspan immediately launched the next phase of the US power elite's plan to transfer wealth from the public sector into private hands. The so called securitization revolution.

These policies led directly to the 2007-2008 meltdown.

This is the real history. Reagan was a stooge -- of the US power elite. We are in deep doodoo thanks to Reagan.

Congratulations. On the Gaffney dillusional scale this rates a 7 out of 10.

Scary what they are teaching school kids nowadays.

mhgaffney
02-05-2011, 02:43 PM
JJJ,

Your only hope for the US power elite is that Americans do not read -- and so, remain dumb and ignorant.

I believe there are enough of us, however, who still do read-- and who know how to think.

Only a tiny percentage of Americans were responsible for the first American revolution. If even 10% of the people become fully informed -- and are prepared to act -- look out Wall Street!

You can choose to be part of the problem -- or part of the solution.
MHG

W*GS
02-05-2011, 02:47 PM
You can choose to be part of the problem -- or part of the solution.

We know what "solution" gaff-o has in mind for those he thinks are "the problem"...

http://greenreading.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mass_grave_bergen_belsen_may_1945.jpg

mhgaffney
02-05-2011, 02:53 PM
The Soviet Union collapsed from within Reagan had little to do with that

The USA is about to collapse from within Reagan had much more to do with that.

Sorry -- but you are wrong.

Just as the US jacked up oil prices in 1973 -- so also in 1985-86 the Us engineered a crash in oil prices.

This was artificially engineered and one major purpose was to hurt the Soviets -- which was heavily dependent on oil revenue from the Caspian oil fields.

It had its effect. There were other factors, true, such as Chernobyl and Afghanistan. But US policy was a big factor.

The oil glut had very harmful consequences on the US economy -- fueled a real estate and speculative bubble that popped in 1987.

W*GS
02-05-2011, 03:32 PM
Remember, folks, whenever gaff-o blames the US for the world's ills, he's really complaining that America is just a puppet for International Jewry.

TonyR
02-10-2011, 08:20 AM
For a long while and certainly at the time he was in office Reagan was an under-rated President; today he's in danger of being over-rated. The problem with the Cult of Reagan is not Reagan, but the impact membership has on the believers. He was more flexible than his admirers today sometimes acknowledge. Few of today's Republicans would, one supposes, endorse Reagan's tax-raising 1982 budget. Nor, one suspects, would today's nationalists approve of his decision to talk to the Soviets (indeed, at the time there were some who whispered that Reagan was "soft on Communism".) Nor, for that matter, could a Republican with national aspirations today endorse Reagan's liberal approach to immigration issues.

Indeed, it's not clear a less gifted communicator armed with Reagan's actual beliefs could really win the Republican Presidential nomination today.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/6677674/the-cult-of-reagan-president-of-all-our-hearts.thtml

Mile High Shack
02-10-2011, 08:40 AM
I watched the Reagan thing on the History channel last night and while I think a TON of his policies were just horrible, he at least got one thing right...optimism

some of the Palin's and other HERP DERPS running for office should try that instead of gloom and doom