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Rohirrim
01-30-2011, 07:35 AM
Latest New Rule from Bill Maher:

That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-football-sociali_b_815673.html
:yayaya:

This thread is intended to illicit a humorous response. No animals or children were injured in the creation of this thread.

55CrushEm
01-30-2011, 07:40 AM
Latest New Rule from Bill Maher:

That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-football-sociali_b_815673.html
:yayaya:

This thread is intended to illicit a humorous response. No animals or children were injured in the creation of this thread.

Cool story bro. Now, perhaps, you can explain why socialism doesn't work anywhere else?

RhymesayersDU
01-30-2011, 07:41 AM
In before inevitable 5-page fight.

Hogan11
01-30-2011, 07:57 AM
Latest New Rule from Bill Maher:

That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-football-sociali_b_815673.html
:yayaya:

This thread is intended to illicit a humorous response. No animals or children were injured in the creation of this thread.

I saw that New Rules segment and it was spot on...especially the part about comparing the NFL to MLB.

That One Guy
01-30-2011, 08:01 AM
The concept works as long as everyone is interested in success. Now, if someday someone's drug addict kid takes over the team and is more interested in using his status as owner to bang skanks than run the team... see if they're still as interested to support each other.

Oh, and didn't owners vote out the revenue sharing last season or the one before it?

Vegas_Bronco
01-30-2011, 08:02 AM
Actually this is a total fail...tv contracts pay for player salaries which are not at a fixed rate...but instead by the individual player production. Each team owner has to compete and provide a great product on the 'assembly line' in order to fill the seats and increase profits. Mayer is a fool in less than 3 sentences.

We all know the draft is where champions are born...right detroit?

RhymesayersDU
01-30-2011, 08:06 AM
I don't see what John Mayer has to do with this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y3-EyLga9_8/TI81iQPTl9I/AAAAAAAAAM0/mFh0ZGG0y-Q/s320/john+mayer-cd.jpg

Royalfan19
01-30-2011, 08:11 AM
Parity makes the sport exciting, and drives revenue growth. The NFL is a business, it helps their ultimate goal (make money) to promote competitive parity. This example does not help or hurt his points on socialism.

lostknight
01-30-2011, 08:15 AM
The NFL itself is a business, that competes with MLB and NHL etc.

misturanderson
01-30-2011, 08:19 AM
Cool story bro. Now, perhaps, you can explain why socialism doesn't work anywhere else?

Large portions of Europe disagree with this post.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-30-2011, 08:20 AM
This seems like "epic socialism FTW." Wonder what ol' Llama thinks of this.

Actually, no I don't.

Hogan11
01-30-2011, 08:21 AM
Parity makes the sport exciting, and drives revenue growth. The NFL is a business, it helps their ultimate goal (make money) to promote competitive parity.

Something MLB (and it's large market team fans) will never understand

OrangenBlueOhio
01-30-2011, 08:50 AM
The NFL is a good example of why "spreading the wealth" makes everyone happy. Guess what fat cat, if you keep on increasing your take and decreasing mine, there won't be anybody to buy your product. Oh wait, that's right you can just sell it to all those third world countries who make so much money. Because you shipped our jobs overseas, and you pay them such high wages.

And if anyone believes "corporate America" isn't taking too big a slice of the pie, try getting a place to park at the superbowl. If you can afford to pay $900.00 for parking, you might be making too much. Some day the fat lazy american will wake up, and he ain't gonna be happy.

LRtagger
01-30-2011, 08:55 AM
The NFL is about to shut down over health care and money disagreements between owners and unionized employees. The lockout where owners will still bring in revenue from their television contracts, but tens of thousands will be unemployed. Their main objective as owners is still to grow their product to put money into their own pockets. Just as the players try to perform at an above average level to negotiate higher contracts and grow their own wealth. Those greedy big shots should be sharing the wealth with the fans that have padded their pockets.

The NFL is a single entity, obviously they don't want their smaller markets and franchises to fall behind because it hurts the company as a whole. Just as any parent company would do with its subsidiaries.

Also, the NFL frowns on smoking pot.

Binkythefrog
01-30-2011, 09:01 AM
Cool story bro. Now, perhaps, you can explain why socialism doesn't work anywhere else?

Norway. Now while not quite a pure socialist country, Norway has much higher taxes and many more state run systems. I don't think that this would work here in the United States, but this shows that socialism in different forms is not a complete failure of an idea.

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201/in-norway-start-ups-say-ja-to-socialism.html

These guys pay almost 50% of their personal taxes to Norway, and they think it is fair. Corporate tax profits are low at 28%, but there is also a significant "wealth tax"

Unemployment 3.5%
More entrepreneurs per capita than the United States
Free health insurance for all

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 09:18 AM
Latest New Rule from Bill Maher:

That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-football-sociali_b_815673.html
:yayaya:

This thread is intended to illicit a humorous response. No animals or children were injured in the creation of this thread.

Bill Maher is such a tard. He's forgetting that not just anyone can be an NFL owner. It's like a billionaire's private club.

Um yah Bill. It takes capitalism to create billionaire wealth in order to be part of a very exclusive club. It's not communisim Bill, it's capitalism.

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 09:23 AM
Norway. Now while not quite a pure socialist country, Norway has much higher taxes and many more state run systems. I don't think that this would work here in the United States, but this shows that socialism in different forms is not a complete failure of an idea.

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201/in-norway-start-ups-say-ja-to-socialism.html

These guys pay almost 50% of their personal taxes to Norway, and they think it is fair. Corporate tax profits are low at 28%, but there is also a significant "wealth tax"

Unemployment 3.5%
More entrepreneurs per capita than the United States
Free health insurance for all

It's easy to be socialistic when everyone looks the same. It's all a white-washed paradise in Norway. I guarantee you, if you unloaded 10 million Latinos who couldn't speak their language on them they wouldn't be so excited to "share the wealth."

Get real.

misturanderson
01-30-2011, 09:30 AM
It's easy to be socialistic when everyone looks the same. It's all a white-washed paradise in Norway. I guarantee you, if you unloaded 10 million Latinos who couldn't speak their language on them they wouldn't be so excited to "share the wealth."

Get real.

"but this shows that socialism in different forms is not a complete failure of an idea."

Reading comprehension is your friend.

HAT
01-30-2011, 09:30 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=25

AlienBronco
01-30-2011, 09:32 AM
The way I see it is that NFL business is run like a Cartel(see OPEC) where political view capitalist, communism, socialism, kingdom or just old fashion dictatorship has no bearing. They all have one purpose and that is to take the consumer to the cleaner with regard to their income.

gunns
01-30-2011, 09:37 AM
The Super Bowl is like Tila Tequila. Anyone can get in.



Hilarious!

You should have known Rohirrim....you put something humorous out there for the know it alls and if they think you've stepped on their ideaology the hair on their posting arms will rise on end and they'll rebutt, while never seeing the humor.

BowlenBall
01-30-2011, 09:53 AM
I don't see what John Mayer has to do with this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y3-EyLga9_8/TI81iQPTl9I/AAAAAAAAAM0/mFh0ZGG0y-Q/s320/john+mayer-cd.jpg

John Mayer is a socialist, apparently.

WolfpackGuy
01-30-2011, 09:59 AM
Socialism does work, but you will be taxed to death.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-30-2011, 10:09 AM
I'm purposely staying out of this one

Archer81
01-30-2011, 10:10 AM
So the NFL is a socialist paradise...so you could say the NFL owners and players are the "elite" who get access to team revenues and get to squabble over who gets what ridiculous amount of money. The fans or "working class idiots" get to foot the bill and pay anywhere from $60 to $500 for seats for a single game or $2500 to $7500 for season tickets, $8-$15 for a 10 oz beer, $5 to $15 for snackage per person. Lets not forget the cost of going to a game in fuel and parking.

Sounds fair.

:Broncos:

Jason in LA
01-30-2011, 10:11 AM
What ever the NFL is doing, keep doing it! The sport is awesome. In the NBA and MLB a team in Denver doesn't have much of a chance, but in the NFL a team in Denver pretty much has an equal shot.

As for the NBA, seeing that I'm a Lakers fans, don't change anything. ;D

Rohirrim
01-30-2011, 10:11 AM
Hilarious!

You should have known Rohirrim....you put something humorous out there for the know it alls and if they think you've stepped on their ideaology the hair on their posting arms will rise on end and they'll rebutt, while never seeing the humor.

I keep trying. ;D

Que
01-30-2011, 10:12 AM
Large portions of Europe disagree with this post.

Amen to that. I am sitting in one right now actually - Holland. Just spent the day trying to convince two Dutch friends that Americans aren't crazy when they say that universal health care for all is an erosion of freedom. The puzzled looks on their faces was priceless.

Three more observations:
1. Dutch chicks are pretty smoking hot - and tall. Not as hot as Spanish or Scandinavian chicks mind you.

2. Dutch drive nice rides. Very nice rides.

3. If the NFL is socialist, then European Premier Football/Soccer clubs are down right Ferengi Capitalists. Players are bought and sold like chattel property, parity is out the window and they even have specialty securities so non-team owners can underwrite the acquisition of specific players with equity participation in the upside (when they sell the player). They actually say "they just sold that player" rather than "they just traded that player". Pretty interesting.

gyldenlove
01-30-2011, 10:15 AM
It's easy to be socialistic when everyone looks the same. It's all a white-washed paradise in Norway. I guarantee you, if you unloaded 10 million Latinos who couldn't speak their language on them they wouldn't be so excited to "share the wealth."

Get real.

You do realize that there are more refugees in Norway per capita than in the States? In a nation of less than 5 million more than 500k are immigrants or children of immigrants, that would equal about 35 million immigrants and children og immigrants in the states.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-30-2011, 10:17 AM
You do realize that there are more refugees in Norway per capita than in the States? In a nation of less than 5 million more than 500k are immigrants or children of immigrants, that would equal about 35 million immigrants and children og immigrants in the states.

Facts get in the way.

By the way, im gonna be in your socialist paradise of a country in June. I may just stay there. Can i have a job? :)

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 10:29 AM
Facts get in the way.

By the way, im gonna be in your socialist paradise of a country in June. I may just stay there. Can i have a job? :)

http://www.indexmundi.com/norway/demographics_profile.html

94.4% white. other Euros make up another 4%..

All I'm saying is that a country like Norway is hella different than a country like the US.

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 10:32 AM
You do realize that there are more refugees in Norway per capita than in the States? In a nation of less than 5 million more than 500k are immigrants or children of immigrants, that would equal about 35 million immigrants and children og immigrants in the states.

yah, its a real model for diversity....




























not

Jetmeck
01-30-2011, 10:46 AM
Mayer is on the edge on comedy and this example of the business model of the NFL vs. MLB ia a valid one. Socialism in small doses can be a good thing......health care for everyone vs capitalism can be a bad idea in certain ways like allowing speculators run up oil prices and oil companies who dont pay any taxes get rich beyond their dreams while our WHOLE economy will be driven into the dirt. Also telling the public the rich need a tax break but you dont need health care for all.....where does that fit in ?

Dont know, but socialism and capitalism both have their place but common sense has to be in control of each !!!!!

Crushaholic
01-30-2011, 10:50 AM
Bill Maher hasn't watched a Super Bowl since Nipplegate? I knew there was something wrong with that guy...Hilarious!

Memento
01-30-2011, 10:51 AM
Cool. It's socialism. Sign me up and don't discriminate against my age (45) or my time in the 40 (4.40... that's 4 minutes, 40 seconds :))

I want to be paid equal to every NFL player, because playing in the NFL is all about equality and not about merit :)

And Jerry Jones will "spread the wealth" when he sells his franchise (value $1.81 billion) with the Jacksonville Jaguars owner (value $725 mil)... i'm just sure of it :)

gyldenlove
01-30-2011, 10:56 AM
http://www.indexmundi.com/norway/demographics_profile.html

94.4% white. other Euros make up another 4%..

All I'm saying is that a country like Norway is hella different than a country like the US.

You might want to use an actual source, here is the page from The government statistics office in Norway who can produce correct numbers:

http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/02/03/innvfram_en/

You will notice significanty differences in the numbers reported.

Broncojef
01-30-2011, 10:56 AM
Socialism does work, but you will be taxed to death.

It works until they run out of people to tax. Lets see how the system works if everyone gets sick of their crap and decideds to stop paying their prices..probably be a government bailout to save the wealthy owners at that point right? The people will cry for lower taxes and the owners look for more regulations in forcing the fans pay. Of course the NFL owners will enlist ESPN to propagate their world view and anyone who dares speak the truth will be listed as a radical or racist.

ghwk
01-30-2011, 11:00 AM
Amen to that. I am sitting in one right now actually - Holland. Just spent the day trying to convince two Dutch friends that Americans aren't crazy when they say that universal health care for all is an erosion of freedom. The puzzled looks on their faces was priceless.

Three more observations:
1. Dutch chicks are pretty smoking hot - and tall. Not as hot as Spanish or Scandinavian chicks mind you.

2. Dutch drive nice rides. Very nice rides.

3. If the NFL is socialist, then European Premier Football/Soccer clubs are down right Ferengi Capitalists. Players are bought and sold like chattel property, parity is out the window and they even have specialty securities so non-team owners can underwrite the acquisition of specific players with equity participation in the upside (when they sell the player). They actually say "they just sold that player" rather than "they just traded that player". Pretty interesting.

Pictures to support assertion #1 please!!! Hilarious!

Archer81
01-30-2011, 11:03 AM
According to the CIA factbook... Norwegian 94.4% (includes Sami, about 60,000), other European 3.6%, other 2% (2007 estimate).

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/no.html

:Broncos:

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 11:05 AM
You might want to use an actual source, here is the page from The government statistics office in Norway who can produce correct numbers:

http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/02/03/innvfram_en/

You will notice significanty differences in the numbers reported.

These are government projections, not reality. Plus, it goes all the way out to 2060. At that time (if any of this actually comes to fruition) the minority "projection" for the total population is less than 30%.

Whatever, I'm not gonna argue with you about how "diverse" Norway is when compared to the US. I'm glad you think Norway is a diverse nation full of many different minorities all living together in a socialistic paradise. The facts don't support your opinion. Sorry.

But, I'm all for Norway being the model for diversity and success in Europe.

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 11:07 AM
According to the CIA factbook... Norwegian 94.4% (includes Sami, about 60,000), other European 3.6%, other 2% (2007 estimate).

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/no.html

:Broncos:

sshhh. the CIA lies, they are not reliable. :thumbs:

Archer81
01-30-2011, 11:18 AM
sshhh. the CIA lies, they are not reliable. :thumbs:


...99% honky. It is what it is. They also rely heavily on oil and gas exports for revenue (world's 9th in oil and 2nd in natural gas exporter). I wonder if that helps support the socialist paradise that is Norway.


:Broncos:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-30-2011, 11:20 AM
It works until they run out of people to tax. Lets see how the system works if everyone gets sick of their crap and decideds to stop paying their prices..probably be a government bailout to save the wealthy owners at that point right? The people will cry for lower taxes and the owners look for more regulations in forcing the fans pay. Of course the NFL owners will enlist ESPN to propagate their world view and anyone who dares speak the truth will be listed as a radical or racist.

NO, don't worry! You're not over the top at all.

Broncojef
01-30-2011, 11:30 AM
NO, don't worry! You're not over the top at all.

No over the top would be telling over half the population they don't have to pay to attend games at all. Socialism would allow all those less fortunate to sit in the stands and eat free hot dogs and drink free beer on the working mans dime. We would tear down all gates and barriers to the stadium and if someone entered illegally we would be racisit for mentioning it and would foot all health care issues for free should someone hurt themselves within the stadium. After doing all these things guys like you would wonder why we are in a financial dilema concerning revenue and profits. We could employ illegals to sell over priced and regulated eats and guys like you could bitch at the unemployment levels and blame it on real capitalism that existed prior to the new construct.

errand
01-30-2011, 11:39 AM
Large portions of Europe disagree with this post.

Perhaps you missed the rioting in Greece where the government had told the people that the gravy train cannot run any longer and all the goodies they use to get are unsustainable.....

footstepsfrom#27
01-30-2011, 11:39 AM
It's easy to be socialistic when everyone looks the same. It's all a white-washed paradise in Norway. I guarantee you, if you unloaded 10 million Latinos who couldn't speak their language on them they wouldn't be so excited to "share the wealth."

Get real.
Right...because Norway reflects the rest of European diversity. Good call. :thumbs:

Silly argument, the NFL isn't "socialism".

Off season mode sucks.

Agamemnon
01-30-2011, 11:56 AM
Right...because Norway reflects the rest of European diversity. Good call. :thumbs:

Silly argument, the NFL isn't "socialism".

Off season mode sucks.

The NFL's business model implements certain socialist concepts. Not sure how a person could deny that.

Garcia Bronco
01-30-2011, 11:59 AM
Latest New Rule from Bill Maher:

That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-football-sociali_b_815673.html
:yayaya:

This thread is intended to illicit a humorous response. No animals or children were injured in the creation of this thread.

When the US population gets down to 32 entities and collects money hand-over-fist; He might have a point.

Play2win
01-30-2011, 12:27 PM
The NFL's business model implements certain socialist concepts. Not sure how a person could deny that.

So does the Army, for that matter.

Socialism works on a smaller scale, especially in a country that has strong national pride and is unified.

On a larger scale, lets just say it doesn't work so well. Capitalism does have to be compromised to some degree for it to work in the modern day, but it is really gettting tested with the advent of the, well you know, the internet.

Karenin
01-30-2011, 01:28 PM
ITT: Idiots debate things they are utterly unqualified to discuss.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-30-2011, 01:29 PM
No over the top would be telling over half the population they don't have to pay to attend games at all. Socialism would allow all those less fortunate to sit in the stands and eat free hot dogs and drink free beer on the working mans dime. We would tear down all gates and barriers to the stadium and if someone entered illegally we would be racisit for mentioning it and would foot all health care issues for free should someone hurt themselves within the stadium. After doing all these things guys like you would wonder why we are in a financial dilema concerning revenue and profits. We could employ illegals to sell over priced and regulated eats and guys like you could b**** at the unemployment levels and blame it on real capitalism that existed prior to the new construct.

BroncoJef then added, "they're takin' arr jerrrrbs!"

55CrushEm
01-30-2011, 01:29 PM
Large portions of Europe disagree with this post.

Large portions of Europe are in worse financial shape that the United States (if that's even possible).....and in order to combat the problem, one step that European governments everywhere are enacticing is lowering there corporate tax rates to attract more business.

The U.S. is now one of the highest corporate tax jurisdictions in the world....and we wonder why companies set up shop elsewhere.

Jay3
01-30-2011, 01:30 PM
The NFL is not at all socialist -- it's more of a syndicate, like the old time "trusts." You can make a ton of dough if you team up and preserve a monopoly, and make the best decisions for the whole industry.

You've never seen the likes of the profits the oil industry could make if they all formed a "league" and could cooperate on all sorts of things. (They've been popped when trying -- like trying to share excess tank space during times when they are running out of storage).

No, "socialism" is when have the monopoly in the hands of the government, and give the guy with the guns (monopoly on the use of force) the control over the pursestrings (monopoly over planning the allocation of resources in a particular industry or market).

NFL's not socialist. Sometimes I think people on the Left don't even get the whole point of limited government.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-30-2011, 01:32 PM
Sometimes I think people on the Left don't even get the whole point of limited government.

Funny. Sometimes I think people on the Right don't either.

Archer81
01-30-2011, 01:38 PM
Why is the NFL successful in America?

Probably because the game is played at every level from popwarner to pros. Someone should ask Maher what the poor NFL did before 1993. Did they share revenue (beyond individual gate sales) before 1993?

For all this socialistic success the NFL is experiencing, why did the Raiders bounce between Oakland and LA, Oilers move to Tennessee or the Original Browns move to Baltimore? You would think a league sharing revenue could afford to keep teams in tiny markets, and never have to worry about teams pulling up stakes and moving somewhere else.

Shenanigans.

:Broncos:

Hogan11
01-30-2011, 01:41 PM
Why is the NFL successful in America?

Probably because the game is played at every level from popwarner to pros. Someone should ask Maher what the poor NFL did before 1993. Did they share revenue (beyond individual gate sales) before 1993?

For all this socialistic success the NFL is experiencing, why did the Raiders bounce between Oakland and LA, Oilers move to Tennessee or the Original Browns move to Baltimore? You would think a league sharing revenue could afford to keep teams in tiny markets, and never have to worry about teams pulling up stakes and moving somewhere else.

Shenanigans.

:Broncos:

A. Houston & LA are far from a "tiny" markets

B. Stadiums are not included, which is why there was a run on new stadiums after revenue sharing came into play. If you can't extort what you want out of your current city, there's always another one that's willing to build it for you....or so the cynics would say anyways.

Archer81
01-30-2011, 01:44 PM
A. Houston is far from a "tiny" market

B. Stadiums are not included, which is why there was a run on new stadiums after revenue sharing came into play.....or so the cynics would say anyways.


I still call shenanigans.

:Broncos:

Hogan11
01-30-2011, 01:47 PM
I still call shenanigans.

:Broncos:

It is...by owners who are trying to circumvent the revenue sharing system for their own personal gain. Afterall, no one benefits more from a new stadium than the team owner whose moving into it

RunSilentRunDeep
01-30-2011, 01:47 PM
The NFL is a franchise business, not much different than McDonalds or Ruby Tuesdays. it has a system in place to help deliver a consistent product no matter where you are in the country. Is that a business plan or socialism? Some franchises are just run better than others. Maher also makes the mistake of equating winning with business success. If he's defending socialism, he needs to explain the Mike Brown-type Animal Farm pig that reaps huge profits while the peasants that support the team decade after decade continue to suffer.

Archer81
01-30-2011, 01:51 PM
It is...by owners who are trying to circumvent the revenue sharing system for their own personal gain. Afterall, no one benefits more from a new stadium than the team owner whose moving into it


Owners assume most of the risk of owning an NFL franchise. They should get as much profit as they can from it. Its not any different from an NFL player trying to get as much as he can in free agency. He has something, like the owner does, that they want to market and capitalize on.

:Broncos:

Hogan11
01-30-2011, 01:54 PM
Owners assume most of the risk of owning an NFL franchise. They should get as much profit as they can from it. Its not any different from an NFL player trying to get as much as he can in free agency. He has something, like the owner does, that they want to market and capitalize on.

:Broncos:

Risk? C'mon...the only real way you can fail as an NFL owner, is if you actually try to do so.

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2011, 02:40 PM
Maher is a crazy extremist dupe. (Sorry, Hogan)

mhgaffney
01-30-2011, 03:17 PM
Cool story bro. Now, perhaps, you can explain why socialism doesn't work anywhere else?

Are you saying capitalism DOES work?

Recent events have shown it doesn't.

Play2win
01-30-2011, 03:20 PM
NFL's not socialist. Sometimes I think people on the Left don't even get the whole point of limited government.

Like the Defense ???

Mogulseeker
01-30-2011, 03:31 PM
Cool story bro. Now, perhaps, you can explain why socialism doesn't work anywhere else?

Except in Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands.

Edit - AND within the ranks of the US military... most militaries actually are pretty socialist in their operational nature.

ColoradoDarin
01-30-2011, 04:52 PM
Bill Maher is an idiot, and worse, he's not funny.

Jetmeck
01-30-2011, 04:53 PM
Large portions of Europe are in worse financial shape that the United States (if that's even possible).....and in order to combat the problem, one step that European governments everywhere are enacticing is lowering there corporate tax rates to attract more business.

The U.S. is now one of the highest corporate tax jurisdictions in the world....and we wonder why companies set up shop elsewhere.

Yep cause corporate profits are at an all time low ?
Cheap labor is why they go overseas.............

OrangenBlueOhio
01-30-2011, 05:01 PM
Bill Maher is an idiot, and worse, he's not funny.

Yeah, that Glenn Beck now he's funny.

RhymesayersDU
01-30-2011, 05:26 PM
What ever the NFL is doing, keep doing it! The sport is awesome. In the NBA and MLB a team in Denver doesn't have much of a chance, but in the NFL a team in Denver pretty much has an equal shot.

As for the NBA, seeing that I'm a Lakers fans, don't change anything. ;D

See I tend to disagree with this. I understand your point that in the NBA and MLB, a team with the most money can spend as much as they want because there isn't a hard salary cap. Obviously, that's true.

But at the same time, let's talk about your Lakers for instance. They haven't gotten good by throwing money at people. They've gotten good by shrewd draft picks and trades. Both Kobe and Pau were acquired via fantastic trades. Conversely, the NY Knicks have routinely had the highest payroll and lowest wins due to poor management decisions.

With that said, I do think a hard cap would help the NBA. But I'm not going to sit here and blame Denver's market size for why they haven't competed for a title. San Antonio is proof that if you have a good front office, you can compete.

baja
01-30-2011, 05:30 PM
Also, the NFL frowns on smoking pot.

They do? Well that's just silly. They should chose a more meaningful fight.

baja
01-30-2011, 05:32 PM
Bill Maher is an idiot, and worse, he's not funny.

...and you didn't like "Rudy" either. Are you sure you don't have a stick up your ass. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2011, 06:04 PM
Except in Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands.

Edit - AND within the ranks of the US military... most militaries actually are pretty socialist in their operational nature.

Those countries exist because American capitalism churned out the weapons to defeat the Germans and American benevolence urged us to travel across the ocean to prevent the Nazi's from taking complete control of Europe.

Without America, Europe would literally be Germania right now.

chadta
01-30-2011, 06:16 PM
Those countries exist because American capitalism

yeah yeah yeah

and the sun was invented in america, so was the moon, and the air and water. did i miss anything ?

Rohirrim
01-30-2011, 06:22 PM
Those countries exist because American capitalism churned out the weapons to defeat the Germans and American benevolence urged us to travel across the ocean to prevent the Nazi's from taking complete control of Europe.

Without America, Europe would literally be Germania right now.

More likely, Russian. The Russians had the Nazis on the run before American landed troops in Europe.

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2011, 06:24 PM
More likely, Russian. The Russians had the Nazis on the run before American landed troops in Europe.

The Russians would have taken their piece, but the Nazis would have held out.

Hitler would have reigned until he died or was killed.

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2011, 06:25 PM
yeah yeah yeah

and the sun was invented in america, so was the moon, and the air and water. did i miss anything ?

No, I referred to something specific, which was the American defense of Europe after much of it had already fallen.

TDmvp
01-30-2011, 06:29 PM
I love Maher , cause I'm a big stand up fan , and like Bill even if I lean right...

But whoever research this ending wrap up was a complete moron and knows nothing about baseball and their version of revenue sharing with the luxury tax and if it wasn't for teams like the Yankees paying into it the Pirates would have folded a long time ago. Much like rich people who do more like my parents so morons like my cousin can suck off the government tit...

The whole thing was completely stupid and full of flaws and uneducated crap as far as what he said about baseball ...


I Like Bill , and tivo'ed his show every week and was screaming at the TV about how stupid it was during this part. It was just a way to spin something to prove a point he wanted to make ... nothing more

AmericanBroncFan
01-30-2011, 07:25 PM
http://www.indexmundi.com/norway/demographics_profile.html

94.4% white. other Euros make up another 4%..

All I'm saying is that a country like Norway is hella different than a country like the US.

If America was 94% White we would be a better Country like Norway

Hogan11
01-30-2011, 07:27 PM
I love Maher , cause I'm a big stand up fan , and like Bill even if I lean right...

But whoever research this ending wrap up was a complete moron and knows nothing about baseball and their version of revenue sharing with the luxury tax and if it wasn't for teams like the Yankees paying into it the Pirates would have folded a long time ago. Much like rich people who do more like my parents so morons like my cousin can suck off the government tit...

The whole thing was completely stupid and full of flaws and uneducated crap as far as what he said about baseball ...


I Like Bill , and tivo'ed his show every week and was screaming at the TV about how stupid it was during this part. It was just a way to spin something to prove a point he wanted to make ... nothing more

Lemme guess here, you're a Yankees/Red Sox/Cubs/WhiteSox/Dodgers/Angels/Phillies or Mets fan, right?

Gotta be a large market fan to actually believe that the Luxury Tax joke MLB has actually makes a difference in levelling the playing field.

Requiem
01-30-2011, 07:33 PM
If America was 94% White we would be a better Country like Norway

Shut the **** up, Klanboi.

footstepsfrom#27
01-30-2011, 07:37 PM
If America was 94% White we would be a better Country like Norway
If you were 94% stupid you'd be twice as sharp as you are now.

Archer81
01-30-2011, 07:42 PM
If America was 94% White we would be a better Country like Norway


30+ posts in...way to make friends.

:Broncos:

DarkHorse30
01-30-2011, 07:43 PM
politics and/or religion. Can this thread be moved?

TDmvp
01-30-2011, 08:02 PM
Lemme guess here, you're a Yankees/Red Sox/Cubs/WhiteSox/Dodgers/Angels/Phillies or Mets fan, right?

Gotta be a large market fan to actually believe that the Luxury Tax joke MLB has actually makes a difference in levelling the playing field.

Proving once again , when you assume you are usually dead wrong.


Rockies because my name/initials is one their hats , and since I was a Broncos fan since I was 5 , I took it as some sign of fate when the city gets a baseball team and my names on their hat.


And the Reds cause I live their and had season tickets from like 80 to 98 and the Big Red Machine was the woop...


The closest thing to a large market team I guess I like would be the Cards and I only like them because of those 80's teams with Ozzy and Colman and those guys.... I used to be a MEGA baseball guy , now not so much.

baja
01-30-2011, 08:05 PM
If America was 94% White we would be a better Country like Norway

The Native American Indians thought it was a pretty great place when it was 100% Native American Indian.

TDmvp
01-30-2011, 08:17 PM
If America was 94% White we would be a better Country like Norway


As a white guy I going to say this for everyone I think/hope ...

Sports sure would suck , among other things...

No blues music and motown , which in turn means rock music would suck and music for the last what 50 years would sound like Abba or some crap.

And lets not even think of the hotties we lose like Jessica Alba and Eva Mendes just to name a couple and that list would be huge.

I bet food would suck as well , it would be like U.K. food.

and that's just what I came up with in 2mins...

So do us all a fav AmericanBroncFan , after you are done going outside and playing hide N go F yourself , stop having thoughts and if you do have one keep it to yourself , because it's most likely stupid.

That One Guy
01-30-2011, 08:21 PM
If America was 94% White we would be a better Country like Norway

For those in the other thread... THIS counts as racist.

Fedaykin
01-30-2011, 09:42 PM
The Russians would have taken their piece, but the Nazis would have held out.

Hitler would have reigned until he died or was killed.

The primary contribution of the U.S. in WWII was in hastening the conflict's inevitable end and in altering the post war political landscape (primarily preventing the Soviet Union from taking over most of Western Europe, Japan and China).

Germany's fate was sealed after Hitler lost the Battle of Britain, lost the secrecy of their communications (through the British capture of the Enigma machine and subsequent cryptanalysis work on Enigma and Hagelin and Lorenz ciphers at Bletchley Park), and invaded Russia. All these events transpired well before The U.S. entered the war.

We did extremely valuable work in WWII, but we weren't necessary to the defeat of Nazi Germany.

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 10:06 PM
The primary contribution of the U.S. in WWII was in hastening the conflict's inevitable end and in altering the post war political landscape (primarily preventing the Soviet Union from taking over most of Western Europe, Japan and China).

Germany's fate was sealed after Hitler lost the Battle of Britain, lost the secrecy of their communications (through the British capture of the Enigma machine and subsequent cryptanalysis work on Enigma and Hagelin and Lorenz ciphers at Bletchley Park), and invaded Russia. All these events transpired well before The U.S. entered the war.

We did extremely valuable work in WWII, but we weren't necessary to the defeat of Nazi Germany.

Talk about revisionist history, I give you example A (see above post).

Requiem
01-30-2011, 10:18 PM
How is it revisionist history?

Fedaykin
01-30-2011, 10:20 PM
Talk about revisionist history, I give you example A (see above post).

Do tell, exactly how is it revisionist?

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 10:57 PM
Do tell, exactly how is it revisionist?

I guess there was no reason for D-Day and all the thousands of US lives that were lost in the European theatre. According to you, none of that was necessary...

Fedaykin
01-30-2011, 11:15 PM
I guess there was no reason for D-Day and all the thousands of US lives that were lost in the European theatre. According to you, none of that was necessary...

I said direct U.S. involvement was not necessary, which is distinct from the non sequitur you provide above.

SoCalBronco
01-30-2011, 11:28 PM
If America was 94% White we would be a better Country like Norway

Hey dumbass,

Perhaps if you took a couple weeks off, it would give you enough time to find a way to take your hood off. You'll have more than enough time to figure it out.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9tguwk.jpg

ol#7
01-31-2011, 12:14 AM
AmericanBroncoFan is an idiot and has been crapping all over the ESPN boards for years before arriving here.

Without direct US involvement there was no sufficient ground force to ever force the Germans to withdraw, let alone to prevail. Come on over here and I will show you around sometime. The death grip they had on Europe was pretty astounding and without the US, they would have been able to continue the leveling of the UK. For that matter, Japan was plunderig all of Asia so we were pretty darn valueable there as well.

Socialism doesnt work as a governmental system, its only effective institutionally. The Dr's here in Europe suck in comparrison, you have to get a prescription for an aspirin, never mind that things like basic supplements cost an arm and a leg more. Also, per your example, because of the US, those bastions of socialism have been able to avoid spending large sums of their own money on their own defense.

Hogan11
01-31-2011, 12:21 AM
Proving once again , when you assume you are usually dead wrong.


Rockies because my name/initials is one their hats , and since I was a Broncos fan since I was 5 , I took it as some sign of fate when the city gets a baseball team and my names on their hat.


And the Reds cause I live their and had season tickets from like 80 to 98 and the Big Red Machine was the woop...


The closest thing to a large market team I guess I like would be the Cards and I only like them because of those 80's teams with Ozzy and Colman and those guys.... I used to be a MEGA baseball guy , now not so much.

Well, my apologies...but that was the same, lame rap that fans of the "Big 8" lay down all the time. It's almost as laughable as the crazy notion that MLB is somehow more competitive than the NFL because they've had a different WS champion each season...it's all so old, so very, very old.

Fedaykin
01-31-2011, 01:52 AM
Without direct US involvement there was no sufficient ground force to ever force the Germans to withdraw, let alone to prevail. Come on over here and I will show you around sometime. The death grip they had on Europe was pretty astounding and without the US, they would have been able to continue the leveling of the UK. For that matter, Japan was plunderig all of Asia so we were pretty darn valueable there as well.

From 1941 on the bulk of the German Army was engaged with and destroyed by the Soviets (and their winters) on the Eastern Front. It is this engagement that allowed the other Allies to open the Western Front, with Germany only able to field ~400,000 troops (mostly young boys, old men, and former POWs from the Eastern Front) to defend Normandy during the invasion compared several to million committed to and lost in the Eastern Front.

ol#7
01-31-2011, 03:56 AM
From 1941 on the bulk of the German Army was engaged with and destroyed by the Soviets (and their winters) on the Eastern Front. It is this engagement that allowed the other Allies to open the Western Front, with Germany only able to field ~400,000 troops (mostly young boys, old men, and former POWs from the Eastern Front) to defend Normandy during the invasion compared several to million committed to and lost in the Eastern Front.

Yes, it was Hitlers insistence on fighting a two pronged war that ultimately lost it for him, however without the push from the western front, Germany would not have fell and eventually would have sued for peace. The 'other allies' were mostly engaged with German occupation.

TDmvp
01-31-2011, 04:16 AM
Well, my apologies...but that was the same, lame rap that fans of the "Big 8" lay down all the time. It's almost as laughable as the crazy notion that MLB is somehow more competitive than the NFL because they've had a different WS champion each season...it's all so old, so very, very old.

I agree with all that . I just think the Real Time thing was a bad comparison between Sports haves and have nots and America. It's so not the same.

ColoradoDarin
01-31-2011, 05:38 AM
Yeah, that Glenn Beck now he's funny.

Bill Maher think of himself as a comedian, well I guess Beck does too, but no one else does and he's not funny either.

ColoradoDarin
01-31-2011, 05:43 AM
...and you didn't like "Rudy" either. Are you sure you don't have a stick up your ass. ;D

Firmly planted I guess

Hilarious!

RhymesayersDU
01-31-2011, 05:56 AM
politics and/or religion. Can this thread be moved?

Politics and/or religion. Could you just not click on it?

rugbythug
01-31-2011, 06:10 AM
What is football be better classified as a coop

RaiderH8r
01-31-2011, 07:47 AM
NFL is organized as a singular entity or "Brand" with a President and 32 VPs each managing their division. The Brand has an interest in each of those VPs competing well under the banner of the Brand. The Brand takes in a pot of money and parcels it out to each VPs department to be managed as they see fit.

DarkHorse30
01-31-2011, 08:06 AM
Politics and/or religion. Could you just not click on it?

apparently not - again, can it be moved?

Rohirrim
01-31-2011, 08:07 AM
apparently not - again, can it be moved?

Just pull up your skirt and tip-toe on out of here. :~ohyah!:

errand
01-31-2011, 08:23 AM
Something MLB (and it's large market team fans) will never understand

MLB understands that it's not the Yankees fault that the ****ing Cubs cannot win a pennant. MLB allows teams that want to invest in their teams the ability to compete. Is it the Yankees fault that their owner identifies the players that can draw fans and win titles and pays them accordingly and the Pirates cannot?

errand
01-31-2011, 08:35 AM
The NFL is a good example of why "spreading the wealth" makes everyone happy. Guess what fat cat, if you keep on increasing your take and decreasing mine, there won't be anybody to buy your product. Oh wait, that's right you can just sell it to all those third world countries who make so much money. Because you shipped our jobs overseas, and you pay them such high wages.

And if anyone believes "corporate America" isn't taking too big a slice of the pie, try getting a place to park at the superbowl. If you can afford to pay $900.00 for parking, you might be making too much. Some day the fat lazy american will wake up, and he ain't gonna be happy.


so you go out on payday and spread your paycheck amongst your neighbors? If not I'm wordering why? you just said that spreading the wealth makes everyone happy....so i'm sure you're doing your part in making your neighborhood a ****ing utopia.

So you routinely turn down any salary increases you might have earned over the years? If not again i have to wonder why? You just said that by increasing your "take" you're decreasing eveyone else's.....

The main probelm is that people who are of the same school of thought as you believe that if i make $100,000 a year there's some poor slob elsewhere that is losing $100,000 in his paycheck...the "pie" as you like to call it isn't finite...it is infinite. some people just work harder or smarter to acquire a bigger slice of this infinite pie.


As for paying $900 for parking...what business is it of yours if Bill Maher can afford to pay it and you can't?

errand
01-31-2011, 08:40 AM
"but this shows that socialism in different forms is not a complete failure of an idea."

Reading comprehension is your friend.

you shouldn't throw stones either my friend....just because it's not a "complete" failure, doesn't mean it's not a failure. I guess it's like saying an F+ isn't as bad as an F...either way it's a failure be it 80% or 100%

errand
01-31-2011, 08:43 AM
Hilarious!

You should have known Rohirrim....you put something humorous out there for the know it alls and if they think you've stepped on their ideaology the hair on their posting arms will rise on end and they'll rebutt, while never seeing the humor.

He's elicited the response he intended to elicit gunns. you really think he didn't know he was gonna start a heated debate with his thread? He intended to start this debate and he's happy he did....

errand
01-31-2011, 08:50 AM
sshhh. the CIA lies, they are not reliable. :thumbs:

I recall while in the US Marines having a discussion with a few Norwegians who had basically said they couldn't understand why i'd enlist in the military of the US...

I asked them if they believed in freedom...they said "of course..."

When I asked them if they believed freedom was worth dying for, their response was "Of course not....nothing is worth dying for"

Beantown Bronco
01-31-2011, 08:57 AM
When I asked them if they believed freedom was worth dying for, their response was "Of course not....nothing is worth dying for"

From a pure logic standpoint, one could argue that they're right.

Tombstone RJ
01-31-2011, 09:07 AM
I recall while in the US Marines having a discussion with a few Norwegians who had basically said they couldn't understand why i'd enlist in the military of the US...

I asked them if they believed in freedom...they said "of course..."

When I asked them if they believed freedom was worth dying for, their response was "Of course not....nothing is worth dying for"

Europe, as a whole, is a joke my friend. They are spineless cowards for the most part. They will stab each other in the back in a heart beat and they will throw the US under the bus if it makes them a little more money.

errand
01-31-2011, 09:09 AM
The Native American Indians thought it was a pretty great place when it was 100% Native American Indian.

and how did their open borders policy work for them?

errand
01-31-2011, 09:11 AM
The primary contribution of the U.S. in WWII was in hastening the conflict's inevitable end and in altering the post war political landscape (primarily preventing the Soviet Union from taking over most of Western Europe, Japan and China).

Germany's fate was sealed after Hitler lost the Battle of Britain, lost the secrecy of their communications (through the British capture of the Enigma machine and subsequent cryptanalysis work on Enigma and Hagelin and Lorenz ciphers at Bletchley Park), and invaded Russia. All these events transpired well before The U.S. entered the war.

We did extremely valuable work in WWII, but we weren't necessary to the defeat of Nazi Germany.

Because by the time we entered the war, the Brits and Russkies already had the weaponry and stuff to defeat Germany on their own................


thanks to the Lend Lease Act.

errand
01-31-2011, 09:12 AM
The primary contribution of the U.S. in WWII was in hastening the conflict's inevitable end and in altering the post war political landscape (primarily preventing the Soviet Union from taking over most of Western Europe, Japan and China).

Germany's fate was sealed after Hitler lost the Battle of Britain, lost the secrecy of their communications (through the British capture of the Enigma machine and subsequent cryptanalysis work on Enigma and Hagelin and Lorenz ciphers at Bletchley Park), and invaded Russia. All these events transpired well before The U.S. entered the war.

We did extremely valuable work in WWII, but we weren't necessary to the defeat of Nazi Germany.

...and of course they rebuilkt the war ravaged continent without the Marshall Plan either

errand
01-31-2011, 09:26 AM
From 1941 on the bulk of the German Army was engaged with and destroyed by the Soviets (and their winters) on the Eastern Front. It is this engagement that allowed the other Allies to open the Western Front, with Germany only able to field ~400,000 troops (mostly young boys, old men, and former POWs from the Eastern Front) to defend Normandy during the invasion compared several to million committed to and lost in the Eastern Front.


You're nuts.....

the German defenders on Normandy weren't a bunch of old men and young boys.....they were some of the Wermacht's most battle tested and hardened troops. What saved russia was mother nature when the Germans couldn't take Moscow and had to wait out the winter of '41. The battle for Stalingrad was another bad decision Hitler made when he diverted his panzer divisions towards the oil fields south near the Caucasus moutain region, without it the blitzkrieg stalled as the russians oredered their men to move as close to the German positions as they could to prevent the air support from being effective for fear of bombing their own positions.

US direct ivolvement was needed to prevent hitler from reinforcing his panzer divisions in russia as they were needed in Africa, Italy and France

Rohirrim
01-31-2011, 09:27 AM
He's elicited the response he intended to elicit gunns. you really think he didn't know he was gonna start a heated debate with his thread? He intended to start this debate and he's happy he did....

There you go again. Same old Errand. No. I figured it was funny. Nothing more, nothing less. Bill Maher is a comedian. He said this to poke fun at the NFL. The people who take this seriously no doubt take everything a little too seriously. If I thought it was a serious subject I would be trying to argue some viewpoint of other. But it's a joke. Some people got it. Some people didn't.

errand
01-31-2011, 09:31 AM
From a pure logic standpoint, one could argue that they're right.

I guess they're right when they say if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything......

So I'm guessing you'd have been there goose-stepping along saying "C'mon errand, go with the flow, nothing's worth dying for..."

Wow....

DarkHorse30
01-31-2011, 09:34 AM
Just pull up your skirt and tip-toe on out of here. :~ohyah!:

no.....i want this moved because it's about politics.....

errand
01-31-2011, 09:35 AM
There you go again. Same old Errand. No. I figured it was funny. Nothing more, nothing less. Bill Maher is a comedian. He said this to poke fun at the NFL. The people who take this seriously no doubt take everything a little too seriously. If I thought it was a serious subject I would be trying to argue some viewpoint of other. But it's a joke. Some people got it. Some people didn't.


i've debated you way too many times to believe that you were just trying to make a humorous point....you got an agenda, and that's fine, lie to your mother....but please stop lying to us

Beantown Bronco
01-31-2011, 09:36 AM
I guess they're right when they say if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything......

So I'm guessing you'd have been there goose-stepping along saying "C'mon errand, go with the flow, nothing's worth dying for..."

Wow....

I very specifically and intentionally referenced logic. A logical argument can be made for saying what they said. I didn't say it was my argument or was or was not my belief. I simply said that there can be an argument made for it if you apply logic. Period.

errand
01-31-2011, 09:52 AM
BTW...i don't think that the military is a socialist state...it is however like a dictatorship. you have to follow orders when given, because when the **** hits the fan and the sargeant yells get down!...everyone that says why? is dead...everyone that says Huh? is dead....everyone that wants to vote on it is dead....

Rohirrim
01-31-2011, 09:59 AM
i've debated you way too many times to believe that you were just trying to make a humorous point....you got an agenda, and that's fine, lie to your mother....but please stop lying to us

Like I said, the people who take this seriously no doubt take everything a little too seriously. And you're the poster child for that.

Read the whole article. It's a joke.

RhymesayersDU
01-31-2011, 10:45 AM
no.....i want this moved because it's about politics.....

Why is it that you keep checking in on a thread that you want no part of? The other 20 topics on the board weren't enough?

It's like watching a TV show you hate week after week... change the channel.

~Crash~
01-31-2011, 11:05 AM
please start a Socialism forum up.I would just ban them .this place sucks in not banning these idiots.

or something like it I would call it the horses Butt form.

Smiling Assassin27
01-31-2011, 11:11 AM
Latest New Rule from Bill Maher:

That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-football-sociali_b_815673.html
:yayaya:

This thread is intended to illicit a humorous response. No animals or children were injured in the creation of this thread.

Quoting Bill Maher makes us all a little more stupid, thanks. I know he's your hero and all that, but 'humor' is when something is funny. 'Moronic irony' is when a moron ironically finds Bill Maher remotely funny. Sadly, Bill's a little late to the 'NFL is socialist' meme, as Frank Deford and others have unsuccessully pushed this for decades.

Leave it to Bill Maher (and his acolytes)to make the case that 'if a little bit of socialism works, then a whole lot more would only be better.' :giggle:

Rohirrim
01-31-2011, 11:19 AM
meh

Idiots have idiot responses. What's new in the world?

bendog
01-31-2011, 01:37 PM
meh

Idiots have idiot responses. What's new in the world?

yeah, but what struck me is that the nfl owners really do operate like the old Poliburo in establishing a world of privledge for themselves by manipulating a market with a state created monopoly. Maher didn't get it exactly right, prolly cause he's not a fan. But the owners are their own little party who attain a higher standard of living by overcharging the proletariat.

Requiem
01-31-2011, 01:44 PM
Hey dumbass,

Perhaps if you took a couple weeks off, it would give you enough time to find a way to take your hood off. You'll have more than enough time to figure it out.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9tguwk.jpg

Yes, you used my image!