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Ratboy
01-29-2011, 07:43 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/29/nfl-players-join-anti-porn-crusade-on-national-porn-sunday/

What a bunch of queers.

bronco militia
01-29-2011, 07:48 AM
In other news, Charlie Sheen reportedly watches a lot of Football to take his mind off of porn.


haha

Ratboy
01-29-2011, 07:49 AM
In other news, Charlie Sheen reportedly watches a lot of Football to take his mind off of porn.


haha

yeah, I was laughing pretty hard.

Rohirrim
01-29-2011, 07:57 AM
Brett Farvre cannot attend but he is sending some text messages instead.

Ha!

WolfpackGuy
01-29-2011, 08:05 AM
XXX Church?

Hallelujah!

What's the address?

epicSocialism4tw
01-29-2011, 12:25 PM
Good for them.

Killericon
01-29-2011, 12:34 PM
They probably find the idea of porn super weird and creepy. I can't imagine any of them have been through a dry spell they didn't bring on themselves.

Kaylore
01-29-2011, 12:47 PM
I'm curious why some of you are getting so defensive about other men not watching porn. Why is that so threatening? Why does that make them "super weird and creepy" or whatever?

Do you react this way anytime someone doesn't like something you do? Why do you care?

srphoenix
01-29-2011, 12:56 PM
Good for them.

agreed, I think porn is a lot bigger problem in America than people realize. It's destroyed a lot of marriages and families.

cutthemdown
01-29-2011, 01:09 PM
I'm curious why some of you are getting so defensive about other men not watching porn. Why is that so threatening? Why does that make them "super weird and creepy" or whatever?

Do you react this way anytime someone doesn't like something you do? Why do you care?

Yeah but if someone did an event to try and get people to watch porn I would also think its stupid. Who cares if anyone wants to jack to some porn? Having any sort of rally against that is stupid when we have people dying of disease, kids going hungry, and families with no where to sleep.

Natedogg
01-29-2011, 01:14 PM
Maybe the Broncos would have won more games if members of the Orange Mane didn't sin by watching so much porn.

Kaylore
01-29-2011, 01:27 PM
Yeah but if someone did an event to try and get people to watch porn I would also think its stupid. Who cares if anyone wants to jack to some porn? Having any sort of rally against that is stupid when we have people dying of disease, kids going hungry, and families with no where to sleep.

So you're officially saying that this is hurting our cancer research and poverty problems in America. Awesome argument. Why spend time doing anything other than helping people then? The money we give to football could be better spent on good causes and not on things like entertainment. Movies, sports and recreational activities in general are diverting valuable resources away from the nation's needy. Nurrrrrrrrrrr

Killericon
01-29-2011, 01:32 PM
I'm curious why some of you are getting so defensive about other men not watching porn. Why is that so threatening? Why does that make them "super weird and creepy" or whatever?

Do you react this way anytime someone doesn't like something you do? Why do you care?

You misunderstood. I'm not getting defensive, I'm just saying that there's probably not a lot of NFL players who have ever had any problem getting action, so them signing up for an anti-porn crusade isn't that shocking.

Chris
01-29-2011, 01:43 PM
I am drowning in porn right now.

footstepsfrom#27
01-29-2011, 01:45 PM
Churches are against porn? Shocking! Who knew?

ludo21
01-29-2011, 01:52 PM
xxxchurch is a great resource for people addicted to porn. I love that this is getting some national spotlight.

Porn can destroy marriages and peoples view of sex. Im not sure how well this goes over but im glad that the guys at xxxchurch are getting this kind of stage.

mkporter
01-29-2011, 02:04 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/29/nfl-players-join-anti-porn-crusade-on-national-porn-sunday/

What a bunch of queers.


Yeah, because "queers" all hate porn. Maybe next time find a way to insult a group of people without insulting another totally unrelated group of people.

baja
01-29-2011, 02:33 PM
On another matter where can I get some porn?

DarkHorse30
01-29-2011, 02:37 PM
xxxchurch is a great resource for people addicted to porn. I love that this is getting some national spotlight.

Porn can destroy marriages and peoples view of sex. Im not sure how well this goes over but im glad that the guys at xxxchurch are getting this kind of stage.

I agree. People use to be ashamed of an addiction to porn, but the internet has made it accessible for all, especially under-age kids. What a skewed way to learn about sex.

Hogan11
01-29-2011, 02:49 PM
Porn flicks would be a lot better in general if the "actors" didn't try to "act" so much....

Just a general observation, I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming

Hogan11
01-29-2011, 02:50 PM
On another matter where can I get some porn?

You're in Mexico and asking this question? You can probably go down the street and see it live on stage if you wanted to.

Aftermath
01-29-2011, 03:32 PM
who cares??????

Los Broncos
01-29-2011, 03:35 PM
who cares??????

Big Deftones fan?

Aftermath
01-29-2011, 03:38 PM
Big Deftones fan?

huge

Ratboy
01-29-2011, 03:45 PM
I'm curious why some of you are getting so defensive about other men not watching porn. Why is that so threatening? Why does that make them "super weird and creepy" or whatever?

Do you react this way anytime someone doesn't like something you do? Why do you care?

Not defensive about other men watching porn.

What is stupid is coming out and saying you're against porn. It's like saying you're against cheeseburgers and rock n' roll.

Los Broncos
01-29-2011, 03:53 PM
huge

Cool, been a huge fan since 95, how time flys.

epicSocialism4tw
01-29-2011, 03:55 PM
Not defensive about other men watching porn.

What is stupid is coming out and saying you're against porn. It's like saying you're against cheeseburgers and rock n' roll.

Not really.

Archer81
01-29-2011, 04:00 PM
Not defensive about other men watching porn.

What is stupid is coming out and saying you're against porn. It's like saying you're against cheeseburgers and rock n' roll.


You did say "what a bunch of queers" as a comment on their stance. Porn is porn. Its not for everybody.

What is stupid is not recognizing that not everyone is going to like porn. Maturity. You no haz it.

:Broncos:

Ratboy
01-29-2011, 04:46 PM
You did say "what a bunch of queers" as a comment on their stance. Porn is porn. Its not for everybody.

What is stupid is not recognizing that not everyone is going to like porn. Maturity. You no haz it.

:Broncos:

Porn is for everybody.

They have all types of porn tailored to your needs and desires.

baja
01-29-2011, 04:47 PM
You're in Mexico and asking this question? You can probably go down the street and see it live on stage if you wanted to.

Ya but I want Internet porn screw that live shiit.

Kaylore
01-29-2011, 05:08 PM
Porn is for everybody.

They have all types of porn tailored to your needs and desires.

What if you don't appreciate how it objectifies and degrades women/men and would rather have sex with your hot wife?

Hogan11
01-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Ya but I want Internet porn screw that live shiit.

Can't handle the donkey stuff eh? Ha!

epicSocialism4tw
01-29-2011, 05:34 PM
What if you don't appreciate how it objectifies and degrades women/men and would rather have sex with your hot wife?

Well, if you oppose the objectification of people as sex objects then you clearly are a member of the Taliban.

listopencil
01-29-2011, 05:55 PM
I will gladly take all of your porn and keep it safely hidden from you. For the good of all Mankind.

Kaylore
01-29-2011, 05:57 PM
I will gladly take all of your porn and keep it safely hidden from you. For the good of all Mankind.

You are a true friend, sir.

http://www.canada.com/sports/2010wintergames/2360246.bin?size=620x400

listopencil
01-29-2011, 06:01 PM
What if you don't appreciate how it objectifies and degrades women/men and would rather have sex with your hot wife?



In all seriousness, that's certainly a valid point of view. Degradation is in the eye of the beholder though. Some people are empowered by it. They (the "models" involved I mean) find it a very healthy expression of their sexuality in some cases. I think it's one of those things that means different things to different people, and the fine line between art and pornography can be easily blurred.

epicSocialism4tw
01-29-2011, 06:09 PM
In all seriousness, that's certainly a valid point of view. Degradation is in the eye of the beholder though. Some people are empowered by it. They (the "models" involved I mean) find it a very healthy expression of their sexuality in some cases. I think it's one of those things that means different things to different people, and the fine line between art and pornography can be easily blurred.

Thats probably why an unusually high percentage of porn actors and actresses are also drug addicts.

tsiguy96
01-29-2011, 06:13 PM
most research on the topic shows that porn has no real negative effect on mens perceptions of women, or really anything. except guys who get addicted which is obviously bad. porn in and of itself is not a bad thing.

Ratboy
01-29-2011, 06:13 PM
I would reply back to you guys, but my porn addiction has taken over my OM addiction.

rugbythug
01-29-2011, 06:16 PM
It's sad that porn has taken something as special as sex and reduced it to an internet Clown Show. Porn has ruined sex.

Ratboy
01-29-2011, 06:19 PM
It's sad that porn has taken something as special as sex and reduced it to an internet Clown Show. Porn has ruined sex.

So you're the spokesman for sex? Porn hasn't ruined sex for me.


You can only speak for yourself.

rugbythug
01-29-2011, 06:23 PM
So you're the spokesman for sex? Porn hasn't ruined sex for me.


You can only speak for yourself.

How long have you been with the same woman? Much like a good OL sex takes time. My wife and I have been together 8 years and it keeps getting better. Porn shows sex as its best for the camera. Not as its best for he people involved. It also reduces the most intimate thing one can do with another and makes it a spectacle.

cutthemdown
01-29-2011, 06:25 PM
So you're officially saying that this is hurting our cancer research and poverty problems in America. Awesome argument. Why spend time doing anything other than helping people then? The money we give to football could be better spent on good causes and not on things like entertainment. Movies, sports and recreational activities in general are diverting valuable resources away from the nation's needy. Nurrrrrrrrrrr

No I am saying worrying about porn when there is so much to worry about is a waste of time. Going to the movies and such fun is important so we can enjoy life. I don't see how a rally against porn qualifies as entertainment.

People only have so much time for causes, charity, because work and entertainment take up a lot. Sorry you can't see the difference between a football game and a rally against porn. Meh your just mad because you were wrong about everything last year and I pointed it out.

For sure I only have so much time for things other then making money and having fun. You maybe pick a charity etc etc. Anyone whose charity is anti porn is an idiot. Now anti child exploitation I could understand.

cutthemdown
01-29-2011, 06:27 PM
What if you don't appreciate how it objectifies and degrades women/men and would rather have sex with your hot wife?

Then you don't watch it and go **** your wife.

cutthemdown
01-29-2011, 06:31 PM
So you're the spokesman for sex? Porn hasn't ruined sex for me.


You can only speak for yourself.

His small penis ruined it for his women is what he meant. As in once she saw porn, and the real cocks, she was like your 2 inch pump and dump is a joke. Same reason the tabernacle choir is against it. Hot wife might see a real **** master at work. :) It has nothing to do with the objectifying of women. Ha!

WABronco
01-29-2011, 06:33 PM
Then you don't watch it and go **** your wife.

lol ya porn isn't the issue. The people are. It's only bad if you let it be.

95% of pronz isn't even "hot"...

Generic buff guy: URGHH OH YAA

Plastic woman: EEEE EEEE EEE

/end

rugbythug
01-29-2011, 06:42 PM
His small penis ruined it for his women is what he meant. As in once she saw porn, and the real cocks, she was like your 2 inch pump and dump is a joke. Same reason the tabernacle choir is against it. Hot wife might see a real **** master at work. :) It has nothing to do with the objectifying of women. Ha!

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

listopencil
01-29-2011, 06:56 PM
Thats probably why an unusually high percentage of porn actors and actresses are also drug addicts.

There is an unusually high percentage of drug usage amongst actors in general.

bronco militia
01-29-2011, 07:19 PM
There is an unusually high percentage of drug usage amongst actors in general.

what else are they going to do with there money?

save the rain forest?

save the gays?

support the Democratic party?

Ha!Ha!Ha!

cutthemdown
01-29-2011, 07:24 PM
There is an unusually high percentage of drug usage amongst actors in general.

Yep in hollywood the parties will have coke, meth, xtasy, weed, alcohol, porn stars, peyote and Jack Nicholson. Then they all go in a hot tub to see who has a stroke first.

baja
01-29-2011, 07:30 PM
Can't handle the donkey stuff eh? Ha!

I felt bad for the donkey.


But the thing that really put me off was the sweet young thing that was proudly offering to pick up a quarter that was sitting on the table with her snatch. Well some a hole heated the quarter real hot with his lighter while his buddy was distracting her. Then they gave her the ten bucks to see her trick. Well she squatted down on the burning hot quarter and she sprung up from the table top as if shot from a cannon and before her feet even hit the ground she had busted the bottom of a beer bottle off and was coming after the two punks and she had blood in her eye....

You could smell the burnt flesh. It was sickening. Shanny almost pucked.

tsiguy96
01-29-2011, 07:33 PM
I felt bad for the donkey.


But the thing that really put me off was the sweet young thing that was proudly offering to pick up a quarter that was sitting on the table with her snatch. Well some a hole heated the quarter real hot with his lighter while his buddy was distracting her. Then they gave her the ten bucks to see her trick. Well she squatted down on the burning hot quarter and she sprung up from the table top as if shot from a cannon and before her feet even hit the ground she had busted the bottom of a beer bottle off and was coming after the two punks and she had blood in her eye....

You could smell the burnt flesh. It was sickening. Shanny almost pucked.

wtf are you talking about

BroncoSojia
01-29-2011, 07:33 PM
I felt bad for the donkey.


But the thing that really put me off was the sweet young thing that was proudly offering to pick up a quarter that was sitting on the table with her snatch. Well some a hole heated the quarter real hot with his lighter while his buddy was distracting her. Then they gave her the ten bucks to see her trick. Well she squatted down on the burning hot quarter and she sprung up from the table top as if shot from a cannon and before her feet even hit the ground she had busted the bottom of a beer bottle off and was coming after the two punks and she had blood in her eye....

You could smell the burnt flesh. It was sickening. Shanny almost pucked.


http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/083/237/original/snagglepuss.jpg?1289929386

baja
01-29-2011, 07:47 PM
wtf are you talking about

Really? Which part don't you get?

Hogan11
01-29-2011, 07:50 PM
I felt bad for the donkey.


But the thing that really put me off was the sweet young thing that was proudly offering to pick up a quarter that was sitting on the table with her snatch. Well some a hole heated the quarter real hot with his lighter while his buddy was distracting her. Then they gave her the ten bucks to see her trick. Well she squatted down on the burning hot quarter and she sprung up from the table top as if shot from a cannon and before her feet even hit the ground she had busted the bottom of a beer bottle off and was coming after the two punks and she had blood in her eye....

You could smell the burnt flesh. It was sickening. Shanny almost pucked.

Did this go down in Mexico, Thiland or the Phillippines? ???

baja
01-29-2011, 07:51 PM
Lord Black's Cabo San Lucas

Special invite room.

listopencil
01-29-2011, 08:33 PM
wtf are you talking about

LOL

epicSocialism4tw
01-29-2011, 08:39 PM
I felt bad for the donkey.


But the thing that really put me off was the sweet young thing that was proudly offering to pick up a quarter that was sitting on the table with her snatch. Well some a hole heated the quarter real hot with his lighter while his buddy was distracting her. Then they gave her the ten bucks to see her trick. Well she squatted down on the burning hot quarter and she sprung up from the table top as if shot from a cannon and before her feet even hit the ground she had busted the bottom of a beer bottle off and was coming after the two punks and she had blood in her eye....

You could smell the burnt flesh. It was sickening. Shanny almost pucked.

Thats one of the most disgusting things I have ever read.

HAT
01-29-2011, 08:42 PM
I felt bad for the donkey.


But the thing that really put me off was the sweet young thing that was proudly offering to pick up a quarter that was sitting on the table with her snatch. Well some a hole heated the quarter real hot with his lighter while his buddy was distracting her. Then they gave her the ten bucks to see her trick. Well she squatted down on the burning hot quarter and she sprung up from the table top as if shot from a cannon and before her feet even hit the ground she had busted the bottom of a beer bottle off and was coming after the two punks and she had blood in her eye....

You could smell the burnt flesh. It was sickening. Shanny almost puked.

ROFL!:strong::notworthy

Hogan11
01-29-2011, 08:42 PM
Lord Black's Cabo San Lucas

Special invite room.

Sounds more like shore leave in Bangkok to me

Ratboy
01-29-2011, 10:11 PM
Did this go down in Mexico, Thiland or the Phillippines? ???

Okinawa has a banana show.

The woman is around 80 years old and can cut bananas into slices. Another one of her acts is sticking a roll of quarters into her vag and dropping the exact change you ask for.

I've never been, but I guess at the end of the show someone eats the banana.

bronco militia
01-29-2011, 10:17 PM
THAT WAS ***ING AWESOME, BAJA

Bronco Yoda
01-29-2011, 10:35 PM
I'll never look at my PB&B sandwich the same ever again...

http://img4.cookinglight.com/i/2009/07/0907p17f-peanut-butter-sandwich-l.jpg?400:400

Miss I.
01-29-2011, 10:53 PM
Alrighty then, I have a few things. I deleted original posts because I though eh, not worth it, but now...now I want a say in this weird ass thread.
1. Baja - EWWWWWWWW!!!!..there are not words adequate to describe the repulsiveness of what you described....also, know how guys wince and cover your um manhood when you see guys get a knee to the groin, yes, that is what your little picture does for me and also now I have to wash my brain out with soap or somethiing.
2. Anti-porn as charity - well, not my first choice, but everyone has a cause to support that others may not find as compelling. I myself support same sex marriage causes yet I suspect there's a large portion of the board who would not find it a cause they would have any interest in supporting. I also donate to United Way and March of Dimes, it is what it is.
3. Porn: I don't really have an issue with as long as it is between consenting adults and being watched by consenting adults. Regarding the objectification-commodification factor, well I notice that the argument is being targeted at the women, but what about the men, granted they may not be as commodified, but they still are. As for degradation, well, I think some of the things in approved Hollywood movies is far more detrimental to women/relationships then most porn (though I haven't seen enough to know for sure) because it's mainstream and therefore okay. Mainstream films and magazines (like Cosmo, etc) can be far more of a problem unlike porn who's distribution is limited, these public images are set up as models of acceptability. As for drug use, I can't imagine it's any worse than regular movie stars whose battles with alcohol, drugs, seat belts for babies, putting on underwear is heavily documented for everyone to know about. It's all fantasy, it's just naughtier than theatrical releases (though even that's borderline these days).

footstepsfrom#27
01-29-2011, 10:53 PM
But the thing that really put me off...
Sicko

serious hops
01-30-2011, 02:58 AM
lol ya porn isn't the issue. The people are. It's only bad if you let it be.

95% of pronz isn't even "hot"...

Generic buff guy: URGHH OH YAA

Plastic woman: EEEE EEEE EEE

/end

"You can imagine where it goes from here."

"He fixes the cable?"

Hotwheelz
01-30-2011, 03:40 AM
What if you don't appreciate how it objectifies and degrades women/men and would rather have sex with your hot wife?

Then don't watch it. But there's a problem when people try to ban it.

(are they advocating banning porn? I don't even know.)

Swedish Extrovert
01-30-2011, 11:54 AM
I'm anti-porn... I wish I could say I've never looked at it.

Swedish Extrovert
01-30-2011, 12:07 PM
Then don't watch it. But there's a problem when people try to ban it.

(are they advocating banning porn? I don't even know.)

From what I know about this XXX Church, they are more of an advocacy group that reaches out to porn stars who want out of the business.

My perspective on porn has changed a lot this last year from reading Jennie Ketcham's (formerly Penny Flame) blog. Truth is most porn stars have had some sort of emotional trauma that has led up to them doing porn. I don't think many self-respecting women would do it, but of course there are exceptions.

I remember reading an interview with a porn star in Rolling Stone... her name was Sasha Grey - she insists nothing happened to her and she is purely business minded when she does it. There are others like that, too... but all in all it's just a slimy business.

I've seen it in porn itself too. Take just about any porn star, for example, and look at their later work against their early work. The later work is the raunchy stuff, but in their early work you see a different side of them - the insecure girl looking for some attention. Seriously, just think of youur favorite porn star and go try and find their first scene ever. This is pretty consistant from girl to girl.

I'm against porn, but I'm against banning it alltogether too. Its just stupid... and then there is this new movement against things like AshleyMadison.com, which I'm totally against too.

Agamemnon
01-30-2011, 12:17 PM
Mainstream hollywood and the pop music industry do a lot more damage in terms of objectifying women (and men), than porn does. Don't get me wrong, porn is sad. Namely that there is almost no representation of loving sex to be found, but only various iterations of male erotic/violent fantasies. In the end though, porn is but a reflection of our society and it's general lack of mental and spiritual health.

Miss I.
01-30-2011, 12:26 PM
From what I know about this XXX Church, they are more of an advocacy group that reaches out to porn stars who want out of the business.

My perspective on porn has changed a lot this last year from reading Jennie Ketcham's (formerly Penny Flame) blog. Truth is most porn stars have had some sort of emotional trauma that has led up to them doing porn. I don't think many self-respecting women would do it, but of course there are exceptions.

I remember reading an interview with a porn star in Rolling Stone... her name was Sasha Grey - she insists nothing happened to her and she is purely business minded when she does it. There are others like that, too... but all in all it's just a slimy business.

I've seen it in porn itself too. Take just about any porn star, for example, and look at their later work against their early work. The later work is the raunchy stuff, but in their early work you see a different side of them - the insecure girl looking for some attention. Seriously, just think of youur favorite porn star and go try and find their first scene ever. This is pretty consistant from girl to girl.

I'm against porn, but I'm against banning it alltogether too. Its just stupid... and then there is this new movement against things like AshleyMadison.com, which I'm totally against too.

okay so women do porn because they are damaged? Then why do men do it?
And the kind of porn (e.g. softcore vs hardcore, print vs video) does that make a difference? is any kind of nudity bad or when is it artistic vs exploitative? So if Kate Winslet is naked in a film (and she's been naked a lot in a lot of her films) does that mean she's damaged?

Garcia Bronco
01-30-2011, 12:30 PM
Mainstream hollywood and the pop music industry do a lot more damage in terms of objectifying women (and men), than porn does. Don't get me wrong, porn is sad. Namely that there is almost no representation of loving sex to be found, but only various iterations of male erotic/violent fantasies. In the end though, porn is but a reflection of our society and it's general lack of mental and spiritual health.


There is a complete spectrum of porn out there. As long as no one is being forced to do it; I see no problem with it.

Swedish Extrovert
01-30-2011, 12:33 PM
okay so women do porn because they are damaged? Then why do men do it?
And the kind of porn (e.g. softcore vs hardcore, print vs video) does that make a difference? is any kind of nudity bad or when is it artistic vs exploitative? So if Kate Winslet is naked in a film (and she's been naked a lot in a lot of her films) does that mean she's damaged?

Nah... I don't think Kate Winslet is actualy having sex in films like Little Children.

It's all about context. Some hardcore porn may be fully okay wheras some softcore might be shady.

Also, men are different. They're much more able to turn off the emotion and just ****.

It's just not an industry that I'd like to be affailated with in any way.

bombay
01-30-2011, 12:35 PM
No use for porn.

Requiem
01-30-2011, 12:41 PM
I just watched the whole season of Spartacus: Blood and Sand -- probably worse than any porn I've ever seen.

Miss I.
01-30-2011, 12:41 PM
Nah... I don't think Kate Winslet is actualy having sex in films like Little Children.

It's all about context. Some hardcore porn may be fully okay wheras some softcore might be shady.

Also, men are different. They're much more able to turn off the emotion and just ****.

It's just not an industry that I'd like to be affailated with in any way.

So simulated sex is okay, but real sex filmed is not? I am not criticizing because I have no stake in it, but I don't buy the men are different thing. If its just sex to a man it can be to the woman as well. Yes we are socialized different, but I don't believe biology alone determines our destiny, a large component sure, but not entirely. Our emotions are as much a societal development issue as genetic or biological.

Besides, taking on porn is only a symptom of the real issue, if in fact the problem is that women who are psychologically damaged are having sex on film to validate themselves, then as a society we need to reconsider how we educate and influence both men and women.

cutthemdown
01-30-2011, 12:46 PM
Best porn movie ever is Caligula!!! Man its a trip you guys have to see it.

Hogan11
01-30-2011, 12:50 PM
Best porn movie ever is Caligula!!! Man its a trip you guys have to see it.

I remember that thing....the guy from Clockwork Orange was it it, right?

Wasn't Larry Flynt ot Penthouse behind the making of that?

In any case, it was full of chemically inbalanced people working out their daddy issues, that's for sure.

Swedish Extrovert
01-30-2011, 01:20 PM
So simulated sex is okay, but real sex filmed is not? I am not criticizing because I have no stake in it, but I don't buy the men are different thing. If its just sex to a man it can be to the woman as well. Yes we are socialized different, but I don't believe biology alone determines our destiny, a large component sure, but not entirely. Our emotions are as much a societal development issue as genetic or biological.

Besides, taking on porn is only a symptom of the real issue, if in fact the problem is that women who are psychologically damaged are having sex on film to validate themselves, then as a society we need to reconsider how we educate and influence both men and women.

I don't disagree with you at all. I'm talking about this from the internal perspective. Actors are actors, porn stars are different - feel me? Watching it is totally different.

By the way, the more porn you watch, the more you masturbate... I find that if I'm getting laid with a real woman at least every 10-14 days, I have no need for either.

baja
01-30-2011, 01:26 PM
I don't disagree with you at all. I'm talking about this from the internal perspective. Actors are actors, porn stars are different - feel me? Watching it is totally different.

By the way, the more porn you watch, the more you masturbate... I find that if <B>I'm getting laid with a real woman at least every 10-14 days, I have no need for either.

As versus the blow up???

Archer81
01-30-2011, 01:28 PM
Best porn movie ever is Caligula!!! Man its a trip you guys have to see it.


Caligula?

Really?...Uhh...whatever floats your boat I suppose.

:Broncos:

Broncos4me
01-30-2011, 01:35 PM
I don't disagree with you at all. I'm talking about this from the internal perspective. Actors are actors, porn stars are different - feel me? Watching it is totally different.

By the way, the more porn you watch, the more you masturbate... I find that if I'm getting laid with a real woman at least every 10-14 days, I have no need for either.

So participating in porn as an actor is different than watching? Is one wrong while the other is okay or You can watch porn without being damaged but not participate in porn and be undamaged? Just wanting to clarify.

Also, regarding your 2nd point, are you saying you don't need porn and/or masturbation when you are having sex with someone else, but you do when you are not? Again, this applies to you, but some people do masturbate and watch porn even when they are having sex, and some use both as foreplay, just as others might use sexy panties and roleplaying or whatever to enhance the experience.

baja
01-30-2011, 01:39 PM
OK my take on porn;

To me it's a complete turn off. It's no different than watching dogs in the street do it.

It's a desecration to the art of making love. There is no consideration of the partner. I think it has done much damage to the relationship of women & men in our society and probably contributed to violent sex crimes do to the objectification of women.

I enjoy a good love scene in a well done movie far more than any porn.

I have often thought there is a huge untapped market for romantic "porn" where there is a story, a mutual seduction and a beautifully filmed love making scene with loving caressing foreplay and mutual pleasuring. Porn for women if you will.

Archer81
01-30-2011, 01:41 PM
Crazy idea.

Some people do not get off watching other people hump. Crazy, I know. And considering the history of porn "actors", it is nothing but exploitation of the people being filmed.

Societal question: Would porn be such a big business in the United States if we did not have such a puritanical view of sexuality and the human body?

:Broncos:

baja
01-30-2011, 01:43 PM
To you women out there if your guy makes love anything like the guy in the typical porn film get rid of him now and find a real love making partner, they are out there.

Broncos4me
01-30-2011, 01:45 PM
Crazy idea.

Some people do not get off watching other people hump. Crazy, I know. And considering the history of porn "actors", it is nothing but exploitation of the people being filmed.

Societal question: Would porn be such a big business in the United States if we did not have such a puritanical view of sexuality and the human body?

:Broncos:

Hard to say really. There's a lot of porn over in Europe. Have you been to Amsterdam? I was in another small town in the Netherlands, flipping channels at like 5pm and seriously hard core stuff came on and it was not American. I think they were German, but I didn't watch long enough to figure it out. And in England they have all these weird shows on after maybe 10pm, though I think those are American, not really sure. It's pretty pervasive everywhere.

Archer81
01-30-2011, 01:49 PM
Hard to say really. There's a lot of porn over in Europe. Have you been to Amsterdam? I was in another small town in the Netherlands, flipping channels at like 5pm and seriously hard core stuff came on and it was not American. I think they were German, but I didn't watch long enough to figure it out. And in England they have all these weird shows on after maybe 10pm, though I think those are American, not really sure. It's pretty pervasive everywhere.


Thats what I mean. We flip out over Janet Jackson's 5 second nipple flash and spend two weeks talking about how it will affect children. In Europe they have Mrs Sonje does the Milkman on at 7pm on prime time TV. Why do we infuse sexuality with guilt?

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Hogan11
01-30-2011, 01:50 PM
Thats what I mean. We flip out over Janet Jackson's 5 second nipple flash and spend two weeks talking about how it will affect children. In Europe they have Mrs Sonje does the Milkman on at 7pm on prime time TV. Why do we infuse sexuality with guilt?

:Broncos:

Puritan roots in this country run deep. The USA will always be hung up on sex.

Swedish Extrovert
01-30-2011, 01:55 PM
So participating in porn as an actor is different than watching? Is one wrong while the other is okay or You can watch porn without being damaged but not participate in porn and be undamaged? Just wanting to clarify.

Also, regarding your 2nd point, are you saying you don't need porn and/or masturbation when you are having sex with someone else, but you do when you are not? Again, this applies to you, but some people do masturbate and watch porn even when they are having sex, and some use both as foreplay, just as others might use sexy panties and roleplaying or whatever to enhance the experience.

1 - Yes, I guess that is kind of what I'm saying

2 - I think if someone is using porn in a relationship, they're not being true to their relationship.

All I'm saying is that once you have sex with someone you really love (and maybe those who disagree haven't had this experience) it totally changes yourp erspective on pornography. It could just be me.

I really hope this Jennifer Ketcham/Penny Flame girl writes a book about her experiences because I love her take on things, she's becoming a psychaitrist, and she used to BE a porn star.

Broncos4me
01-30-2011, 02:07 PM
1 - Yes, I guess that is kind of what I'm saying

2 - I think if someone is using porn in a relationship, they're not being true to their relationship.

I do not understand your answer to #1, the first part is yes or no, but the second part is an either/or answer.

and #2? how is the use of fantasy untrue to a relationship as long as it is consentual between partners? Some people use scary movies to snuggle up (which is a little more bizarre if thought about at all, violence and sex is far more disturbing then connecting sexual images to having actual sex). It's all subjective I suppose.

And I concur with Hogan, our Puritan roots do run deep and will always give us a distorted idea of sexuality. Women who are sexually independent will either be consider slutty and or damaged in some way, while men will be studs who don't tie emotion to sex (incidentally an entirely ridiculous notion, sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't just like women, men are not as simple as that). Sex is like anything, in moderation it is a wonderful, healthy thing. At extremes it is detrimental to physical, mental, emtional and spirtual well being. I am just not sure that porn enmasse is always bad or good.

Swedish Extrovert
01-30-2011, 02:34 PM
I do not understand your answer to #1, the first part is yes or no, but the second part is an either/or answer.

and #2? how is the use of fantasy untrue to a relationship as long as it is consentual between partners? Some people use scary movies to snuggle up (which is a little more bizarre if thought about at all, violence and sex is far more disturbing then connecting sexual images to having actual sex). It's all subjective I suppose.

And I concur with Hogan, our Puritan roots do run deep and will always give us a distorted idea of sexuality. Women who are sexually independent will either be consider slutty and or damaged in some way, while men will be studs who don't tie emotion to sex (incidentally an entirely ridiculous notion, sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't just like women, men are not as simple as that). Sex is like anything, in moderation it is a wonderful, healthy thing. At extremes it is detrimental to physical, mental, emtional and spirtual well being. I am just not sure that porn enmasse is always bad or good.

1 was a two parter... yes and yes.

2 - Whatever flotas your boat I guess. I went home with a girl last Friday, and she wanted to watch Dexter hahaha.

Miss I.
01-30-2011, 02:42 PM
1 was a two parter... yes and yes.

2 - Whatever flotas your boat I guess. I went home with a girl last Friday, and she wanted to watch Dexter hahaha.

I love Dexter. Great show, but not sure it would make me amorous and if it did, I would be concerned. ;D

Archer81
01-30-2011, 02:44 PM
I love Dexter. Great show, but not sure it would make me amorous and if it did, I would be concerned. ;D


I went to see 300 with a few buddies and a dude I was "dating". Later on that evening good times were had by all.

So...yeah.

:Broncos:

Miss I.
01-30-2011, 02:46 PM
I went to see 300 with a few buddies and a dude I was "dating". Later on that evening good times were had by all.

So...yeah.

:Broncos:

Yeah, but that's 300, about half naked sexy gladiator type dudes (Ah Gerry, those were the days honey), not Dexter, a TV show about a serial killer pretending to be normal. ;D

Though anything with my new Superman in it, that gets me quite uh, intellectually stimulated. ;D The existence of Henry renews my faith in a higher power. Something that perfect cannot be an accident. ;D

Archer81
01-30-2011, 02:48 PM
Yeah, but that's 300, about half naked sexy gladiator type dudes (Ah Gerry, those were the days honey), not Dexter, a TV show about a serial killer pretending to be normal. ;D


i was referring to the violence angle.

Even faromir had it going on. I heart you, Zak Snyder.

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Miss I.
01-30-2011, 02:49 PM
i was referring to the violence angle.

Even faromir had it going on. I heart you, Zak Snyder.

:Broncos:

I heart Zak Snyder also because he keeps casting all my fantasy men, first Gerry, now my Henry. ;D

Archer81
01-30-2011, 02:51 PM
I heart Zak Snyder also because he keeps casting all my fantasy men, first Gerry, now my Henry. ;D


Didnt he direct The Watchmen?...Dr Manhattan. Yes he is blue...but he can make copies of himself. Thats just...just well...amazing.


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2KBack
01-30-2011, 02:58 PM
My girlfriend and I watch pron together on occasion...it's fun. I didn't realize that enjoying that together means that we can't get laid and aren't true to our relationships.

cutthemdown
01-30-2011, 03:26 PM
Caligula?

Really?...Uhh...whatever floats your boat I suppose.

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Well for shock value, not jacking cock value lol. I agree not the oh wow she is hot type of film, just one I couldn't believe was happening as a watched it. And then just when it couldn't get any more perverse it did.

cutthemdown
01-30-2011, 03:30 PM
My girlfriend and I watch pron together on occasion...it's fun. I didn't realize that enjoying that together means that we can't get laid and aren't true to our relationships.

So many different personalties in the world there is no way to give blanket statements. If a girl says I don't like porn I don't bring it up again. It's about finding stuff that works for a couple not shoving porn down some girls throat who doesn't like. But if your girl gets excited about it, thinks its fun, then why not?