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Kaylore
01-27-2011, 12:09 PM
Yeah I know most of you are BYU haters, and I'm a homer but I never start these threads. After he killed one of the two loss-less teams left in college, ranked fourth overall, I want you all to recognize.

serious hops
01-27-2011, 12:12 PM
Sounds like a name from Dune.

crush17
01-27-2011, 12:15 PM
He's ridiculous. His crossover's out behind the 3 point line to get open last night were insane.

OBF1
01-27-2011, 12:17 PM
Come on homer... It was not even his highest output this season. The guy has been money all season long and NOW you post? :)

Bronco Boy
01-27-2011, 12:19 PM
He's a mormon. Pass.

bronclvr
01-27-2011, 12:27 PM
He's a mormon. Pass.


Nothing like a little bigotry to mix in with your Coffee-

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-27-2011, 12:34 PM
He's a mormon. Pass.

? I don't can if he wears a goats head around his neck. So long as he runs a 4.3 in the 40, hits like al wilson, covers like champ, catches like shannon sharpe, or plays like karl mecklenberg. I take him.

schaaf
01-27-2011, 12:35 PM
The kid's a boss!

2KBack
01-27-2011, 12:40 PM
? I don't can if he wears a goats head around his neck. So long as he runs a 4.3 in the 40, hits like al wilson, covers like champ, catches like shannon sharpe, or plays like karl mecklenberg. I take him.

Hard to find Basketball players to do those things

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-27-2011, 12:45 PM
Hard to find Basketball players to do those things

There are.its the entrouge that wants a signing bouns.

sgbfan
01-27-2011, 12:51 PM
Jimmer is the man. He's been amazing this year. 35 ppg since the beginning of January.

GoBroncos84
01-27-2011, 12:54 PM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/27/can-jimmer-fredette-make-it-in-the-nba

loborugger
01-27-2011, 01:00 PM
I am a typical BYU hater, but I also root for all the Mtn West in the tourney. So, I hope they go far once they get there for their last time as a Mtn West team.

After that, they can nuke BYU from orbit. ;)

GoHAM
01-27-2011, 01:07 PM
He's a mormon. Pass.

But what if he's a Stormin' Mormon? :giggle:

Liquid Courage
01-27-2011, 01:08 PM
He's like the next Ed McCaffrey!!

theAPAOps5
01-27-2011, 01:09 PM
He is one bad Mimmer Jimmer!

DomCasual
01-27-2011, 01:11 PM
I love watching him. I don't think I've ever seen a player extend "being in the zone" as long as this guy. He just hits from everywhere.

Last night, my whole family was transfixed.

Today, I've been down to the courthouse. My son's name has now been changed to Jimmer Elway.

DomCasual
01-27-2011, 01:12 PM
He's a mormon. Pass.

Thanks for the sentiment, Archie Bunker.

bronco militia
01-27-2011, 01:14 PM
booo! another mormon!

;D

DomCasual
01-27-2011, 01:15 PM
booo! another mormon!

;D

We're everywhere. And we're always watching.

bronco militia
01-27-2011, 01:16 PM
'South Park' Creators' Mormon Musical Has Some Mormons Excited, Others Suspicious
http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Entertainment/2010/397/224/bookofmormon640.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/27/south-park-creators-mormon-musical-mormons-excited-suspicious/?test=faces

DomCasual
01-27-2011, 01:23 PM
'South Park' Creators' Mormon Musical Has Some Mormons Excited, Others Suspicious
http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Entertainment/2010/397/224/bookofmormon640.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/27/south-park-creators-mormon-musical-mormons-excited-suspicious/?test=faces

HAHA I hadn't heard of that. The South Park guys should just go ahead and become LDS - they're obsessed. They reference it in the show, they made a movie about it, and now they are making a Broadway play. Deep down, they love us! They act critical; but it's like the 6th grader that shows the girl how much he likes her by pushing her off the monkey bars.

bronco militia
01-27-2011, 01:29 PM
HAHA I hadn't heard of that. The South Park guys should just go ahead and become LDS - they're obsessed. They reference it in the show, they made a movie about it, and now they are making a Broadway play. Deep down, they love us! They act critical; but it's like the 6th grader that shows the girl how much he likes her by pushing her off the monkey bars.

they probably had the hots for Mormon chicks growing up.

RhymesayersDU
01-27-2011, 01:30 PM
Didn't read all the replies but I'm seeing Jimmer on Saturday at the UNM game. Jimmer will rain three's all day.

DomCasual
01-27-2011, 01:36 PM
Last night, security had to move him behind the scorer's table after the game, to protect him from the masses. The Marriott Center is a BIG arena.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0127/pg2_a_fredette_576.jpg

I can't wait to see how he does down the stretch. He seems to be able to play with any competition. I want to see him in March. Last year, they lost to KState, which was disappointing. But then KState kept winning. This year, they're more talented around him, and he's gotten even better.

Kaylore
01-27-2011, 01:45 PM
He's had some of his best games against the biggest competition this year.

CEH
01-27-2011, 01:49 PM
Yeah I know most of you are BYU haters, and I'm a homer but I never start these threads. After he killed one of the two loss-less teams left in college, ranked fourth overall, I want you all to recognize.

On a side note,

I have a friend who has 4 boys and all of them went to BYU on football scholarships. One is currently a QB assistant with the team

I was in his home when they sent Robbie Bosco out to try to get his first son to come to BYU. A blast from the past

theAPAOps5
01-27-2011, 01:53 PM
I love watching him. I don't think I've ever seen a player extend "being in the zone" as long as this guy. He just hits from everywhere.

Last night, my whole family was transfixed.

Today, I've been down to the courthouse. My son's name has now been changed to Jimmer Elway.

What a coincidence I just applied to have my daughters name changed to Tebow Jimmer Elway Jr.

epicSocialism4tw
01-27-2011, 01:57 PM
"Jimmer"?


That sounds like a nickname that a mom would give their little boy.

I would have shed that one long ago!

DomCasual
01-27-2011, 02:03 PM
"Jimmer"?


That sounds like a nickname that a mom would give their little boy.

I would have shed that one long ago!

That's actually a nickname. I think it's actually James; but there are a bunch of James/Jim/Jimmys in his family, so they all started calling him Jimmer.

DomCasual
01-27-2011, 02:04 PM
What a coincidence I just applied to have my daughters name changed to Tebow Jimmer Elway Jr.

The Jr part is a nice touch. :)

epicSocialism4tw
01-27-2011, 02:08 PM
That's actually a nickname. I think it's actually James; but there are a bunch of James/Jim/Jimmys in his family, so they all started calling him Jimmer.

I figured as much.

There was a kid on one of my soccer teams when I was little named "Doug". His parents called him "Douger" and "Dougie". During the games they would yell out "Go Douger!", and "Go Dougie!" and "Fight, Douger, Fight!" From the horrific reaction that kid made to having his parents humiliate him throughout the game like that, I'm pretty sure the guy is a serial killer at this point.

Rock Chalk
01-27-2011, 02:10 PM
Yeah I know most of you are BYU haters, and I'm a homer but I never start these threads. After he killed one of the two loss-less teams left in college, ranked fourth overall, I want you all to recognize.

Freddette is awesome but he is getting virtually no help and a "real" team (aka, not SDSU) that can just contain him a little is going to destroy BYU.

I think he is up there with Kemba and Sullinger for POY race and you can make a good argument he should get it. He is dominant.

Kaylore
01-27-2011, 02:28 PM
Freddette is awesome but he is getting virtually no help and a "real" team (aka, not SDSU) that can just contain him a little is going to destroy BYU.

I think he is up there with Kemba and Sullinger for POY race and you can make a good argument he should get it. He is dominant.

Well then you just made the case for Fredette as Walker has cooled off lately and Sullinger is on a stacked team. ;D

sgbfan
01-27-2011, 02:36 PM
Last night, security had to move him behind the scorer's table after the game, to protect him from the masses. The Marriott Center is a BIG arena.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0127/pg2_a_fredette_576.jpg

I can't wait to see how he does down the stretch. He seems to be able to play with any competition. I want to see him in March. Last year, they lost to KState, which was disappointing. But then KState kept winning. This year, they're more talented around him, and he's gotten even better.

Thats what happens now that he doesn't have to play through mono. And Davies has been just what BYU needs, A big guy with skills, and it looks like he can improve, unlike Plaistead. BYU also has some awesome defenders in Abuou and Emery. They are a fun team to watch.

Bronco Vixen
01-27-2011, 02:37 PM
I'd say Walker still has the advantage - but only because of SOS. However, if he keeps putting up those numbers - being in the Mountain Whatever conference is not going to matter.

"Jimmer" (how can you not write that name without quotation marks - come on Jimbo Sr) is seriously fun to watch. He could create space in an Indian flee market - and the english he puts on those shots off the glass is sick.

razorwire77
01-27-2011, 02:51 PM
I watch a lot of MWC basketball. Jimmer is a great college player, an incredible college player, but I don't think his game will translate to more than a spot up shooter in the NBA. Jimmer is excellent at initiating touch fouls in the lane at an MWC level. He's not going to get any of those types of fouls at the next level. The circus layups that he can get off against MWC competition will get murdered off the glass by the Blake, Kobes and Dwight Howards of the world.

That being said, the kid should be a 1st or 2nd team All-American this year.

sgbfan
01-27-2011, 02:53 PM
I'd say Walker still has the advantage - but only because of SOS. However, if he keeps putting up those numbers - being in the Mountain Whatever conference is not going to matter.

"Jimmer" (how can you not write that name without quotation marks - come on Jimbo Sr) is seriously fun to watch. He could create space in an Indian flee market - and the english he puts on those shots off the glass is sick.

I don't know how people can give Walker the advantage if they compare the two. 48% compared to 44 % shooting 42 % compared to 35 % on threes, and 3 more ppg. He's also done better when the games are bigger (UNLV, CSU, SDSU, and their rival Utah). He's also gotten better as the season has gone on (look at Walkers stats for their last 3 games).

BroncosMT
01-27-2011, 02:55 PM
Freddette is awesome but he is getting virtually no help and a "real" team (aka, not SDSU) that can just contain him a little is going to destroy BYU.

I think he is up there with Kemba and Sullinger for POY race and you can make a good argument he should get it. He is dominant.

I would only partially agree and I think that was shown a little last night that he does have some help in Davies and Emery.....I think they can go deep in the tourney if they continue to play tough....AT SDSU will be a tough match up! I love watching Jimmer play....love it when the corwd chanted "you've been Jimmered!" Classic

The kids has crazy range too...some of those long balls he shoots with ease....and his dribbling has improved a lot over last year

sgbfan
01-27-2011, 03:01 PM
I would only partially agree and I think that was shown a little last night that he does have some help in Davies and Emery.....I think they can go deep in the tourney if they continue to play tough....AT SDSU will be a tough match up! I love watching Jimmer play....love it when the corwd chanted "you've been Jimmered!" Classic

The kids has crazy range too...some of those long balls he shoots with ease....and his dribbling has improved a lot over last year

I agree. Just because people aren't scoring doesn't mean they aren't helping. Emery has been awesome on D all year, and shoots lights out at times. They are a pretty solid team all around.

DrFate
01-27-2011, 03:08 PM
Heck of a college player

cmhargrove
01-27-2011, 03:37 PM
Last night, security had to move him behind the scorer's table after the game, to protect him from the masses. The Marriott Center is a BIG arena.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0127/pg2_a_fredette_576.jpg

I can't wait to see how he does down the stretch. He seems to be able to play with any competition. I want to see him in March. Last year, they lost to KState, which was disappointing. But then KState kept winning. This year, they're more talented around him, and he's gotten even better.

He may be a Mormon, but he has Jewish hair...

Tombstone RJ
01-27-2011, 04:19 PM
Anyone with a name like Jimmer has to be a wimmer... doh!

NhocCuteGirlz
01-27-2011, 04:21 PM
Sounds like a name from Dune.
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theAPAOps5
01-27-2011, 04:47 PM
Sounds like a name from Dune.
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so are you a Broncos fan or a spammer. Can't tell from you awesome signature! :spit:

Mr Chatterboodamn
01-27-2011, 05:00 PM
great college player, no doubt...but a total douche.

sgbfan
01-27-2011, 05:20 PM
great college player, no doubt...but a total douche.

Based on what?

Vegas_Bronco
01-27-2011, 06:15 PM
Big east teams passed on the kid and now he's ruining my unlv rebs season raining 3s all over the montain states...fu big east! I chose the OTHER red school.

Seriously Kaylore, do you secretly cheer for guys based on their LDS faith...if so, you are a true byu fan and should be proud! I love listening to guys from the Y talk about sports...its like a.secret underground sporting world. That said, I once met Ty Detmer...bwahaaaaa.

bronco0608
01-27-2011, 06:15 PM
Unfortunately, Jimmer Fridette is a poor man's JJ Reddick.

Ball hogging is fine at the college level when you are playing against future dentists and restaurant managers. But once you get to the league, Fridette is not going to take away shots and pound the ball for 15 seconds while Kevin Durant or Paul Pierce wait for him to pass the ball.

His game just doesn't translate to the NBA very well. He is barely 6'1" tall and doesn't facilitate and create offense for others.

He has too much Iverson in him. Too much street ball.

schaaf
01-27-2011, 06:20 PM
Unfortunately, Jimmer Fridette is a poor man's JJ Reddick.

Ball hogging is fine at the college level when you are playing against future dentists and restaurant managers. But once you get to the league, Fridette is not going to take away shots and pound the ball for 15 seconds while Kevin Durant or Paul Pierce wait for him to pass the ball.

His game just doesn't translate to the NBA very well. He is barely 6'1" tall and doesn't facilitate and create offense for others.

He has too much Iverson in him. Too much street ball.

Yeah, cause Iverson was a complete failure in the NBA

bronco0608
01-27-2011, 06:25 PM
Yeah, cause Iverson was a complete failure in the NBA

Ha, are you even mentioning Fridette in the same breath with Iverson? :rofl:

Seriously?

Ball hoggin is fine if you are ALLEN IVERSON, but Fridette?

Fridette won't even be a starter in the NBA.

schaaf
01-27-2011, 06:33 PM
Unfortunately, Jimmer Fridette is a poor man's JJ Reddick.

Ball hogging is fine at the college level when you are playing against future dentists and restaurant managers. But once you get to the league, Fridette is not going to take away shots and pound the ball for 15 seconds while Kevin Durant or Paul Pierce wait for him to pass the ball.

His game just doesn't translate to the NBA very well. He is barely 6'1" tall and doesn't facilitate and create offense for others.

He has too much Iverson in him. Too much street ball.

Yeah, I'm the one comparing him to Iverson, I never said if this kid is gonna make it in the pros or not.

You're the genius that said quote on quote he has too much Iverson in him

bronco0608
01-27-2011, 06:41 PM
Yeah, I'm the one comparing him to Iverson, I never said if this kid is gonna make it in the pros or not.

You're the genius that said quote on quote he has too much Iverson in him

You are confused to what I wrote. That's why you got your panties in a twist and said Iverson wasn't a failure in the NBA. Key on the street ball part.

Fredette is just like Eddie House was at Arizona State and I expect them to have similiar careers in the NBA. Journeymen streak shooters who are not point guards but can dribble the ball up.

Bench players.

rmsanger
01-27-2011, 06:54 PM
Lulz, didn't realize there were many LDS/Momo's on here... I moved to SLC from FL this year and it was the first time I'd ever met any of 'em.

People are really into the U/Byu rivalry here. I just smile and think aw that's cute they like to cheer for there wittle foozball teams.

RhymesayersDU
01-27-2011, 06:55 PM
You guys are way off base; everybody in the NBA, while they have reservations, think he's going to be a productive player. An MVP? Well, no. But he's going to be drafted in the first round this summer and he's going to have a nice career.

schaaf
01-27-2011, 06:59 PM
I think he'll be a quality sixth man if not starter, I never see him dominating but he can score like none other

bronco0608
01-27-2011, 07:03 PM
You guys are way off base; everybody in the NBA, while they have reservations, think he's going to be a productive player. An MVP? Well, no. But he's going to be drafted in the first round this summer and he's going to have a nice career.

Sure, he will have a nice career - off the bench. Towards the end of the first round, you are not looking for starters, but guys who can get in your eight man rotation.

The problem with Fredette is that

1) He is not a point guard.

2) He is barely 6'1" regardless of what BYU lists him at.

3) He is very un-athletic to put it kindly. Athletic for college ball, but un-athletic for the NBA. NBA is Rajon Rondo/Ty Lawson speed, he doesn't have the lateral foot quickness to stay with those guys.

4) He pounds the ball to create his shot. In the NBA, the only ball pounders are your superstars e.g. Kobe, Durant, Lebron, Wade...etc. Those guys can fiddle and diddle with the ball while their teammates watch them. That ain't happening for Fredette. He has to make his money off the catch and shoot.

So what you have in the end is an unathletic, two-guard in a one-guard's body, shooter.

Sounds a whole like Eddie House to me. And that's not the worst thing.

gunns
01-27-2011, 07:06 PM
Yeah I know most of you are BYU haters, and I'm a homer but I never start these threads. After he killed one of the two loss-less teams left in college, ranked fourth overall, I want you all to recognize.

I detest BYU, I will not root for them because they are in the Mtn. West. It's against my religion to root for them. I hated the way he mopped the floor with my Utes. But this kid is very impressive and fun to watch. And yes you are a homer, but Jimmer is the real deal. That was a very good game last night.

SoCalBronco
01-27-2011, 11:44 PM
He's like the next Ed McCaffrey!!

:thumbsup:

yerner
01-28-2011, 12:00 AM
He sure as hell pecker slapped my 'Zona boys. Dude could def. come off someones bench in the league. At least he'll get that oppritunity.

Kaylore
01-28-2011, 06:56 AM
I didn't realize how polarizing this guy is. He's the Tim Tebow of basketball.

That's right.

I went there.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tm33tTS2iZc/SO2XuJ0-_5I/AAAAAAAABIc/6mO83ax73dE/s400/ObamaSmug.jpg

GSRelyea
01-28-2011, 07:46 AM
He is a local kid, about 15 miles north of me. Always been a stand up guy, comes from a great family, and works his tail off. I have no doubt he will produce at the next level, and who ever compaired him to a poor mans Reddick is way off base. When you have Kevin Durant tweeting "Jimmer Ferdette is the best scorer in the world" that has to count for something. The thing that makes him differant than anyone is he has no limit on where he shoots the ball from, the kid can hit from anywhere from the 1/2 court in. On another note there is a kid in the northwest that is amazing check out this video.

http://www.komonews.com/sports/heroes/111892554.html

BroncosMT
01-28-2011, 08:01 AM
He is a local kid, about 15 miles north of me. Always been a stand up guy, comes from a great family, and works his tail off. I have no doubt he will produce at the next level, and who ever compaired him to a poor mans Reddick is way off base. When you have Kevin Durant tweeting "Jimmer Ferdette is the best scorer in the world" that has to count for something. The thing that makes him differant than anyone is he has no limit on where he shoots the ball from, the kid can hit from anywhere from the 1/2 court in. On another note there is a kid in the northwest that is amazing check out this video.

http://www.komonews.com/sports/heroes/111892554.html

I saw this kid in an email....I tried posting a while ago but couldn't get it....anyways that kid has some skills too

Pick Six
01-28-2011, 12:36 PM
I can't wait to see how he does down the stretch. He seems to be able to play with any competition. I want to see him in March. Last year, they lost to KState, which was disappointing. But then KState kept winning. This year, they're more talented around him, and he's gotten even better.

I'm a K-State homer, but I still would've called it one of the greatest games I've seen in the last 5-6 years, even if we had lost. Neither team wanted to go home. Fredette is still exhibiting that "never quit" attitude. He's a winner...:thumbsup:

DB-Freak
01-29-2011, 02:34 AM
I'm a K-State homer, but I still would've called it one of the greatest games I've seen in the last 5-6 years, even if we had lost. Neither team wanted to go home. Fredette is still exhibiting that "never quit" attitude. He's a winner...:thumbsup:

Jimmer will be a very productive sixth man in the NBA.

And I never thought you guys would miss Clemente that much, but I guess his ability to get in the lane and hit shots off the dribble are sorely missed.

Pullen has disappointed so far.

SimonFletcher73
01-29-2011, 06:56 AM
they probably had the hots for Mormon chicks growing up.

Yeah, and it was beat by some fool by 21. No thanks.

DomCasual
01-29-2011, 01:53 PM
Yeah, and it was beat by some fool by 21. No thanks.

I swear, I tried to figure out what you were saying here. It just isn't registering. What do you mean?

epicSocialism4tw
01-29-2011, 04:45 PM
The Mormon Michael Jordan.

RhymesayersDU
01-29-2011, 08:24 PM
Saw Jimmer today; this guy is amazing. He went for 32 but somehow the Lobos pulled off a huge upset at The Pit. Great atmosphere, great game.

Still shocked the Lobos won. But Jimmer is good. And quite frankly, I'm not ruling out him starting in the Association. If JJ Reddick can, he can. I know he's a combo guard at best, I know he's not super athletic, and quite frankly I know that he's white. But he can flat out shoot the ball. Even if he doesn't start he's a sixth man somewhere. There will always be a job for somebody who can just flat out shoot the ball.

bronco0608
01-29-2011, 10:59 PM
Saw Jimmer today; this guy is amazing. He went for 32 but somehow the Lobos pulled off a huge upset at The Pit. Great atmosphere, great game.

Still shocked the Lobos won. But Jimmer is good. And quite frankly, I'm not ruling out him starting in the Association. If JJ Reddick can, he can. I know he's a combo guard at best, I know he's not super athletic, and quite frankly I know that he's white. But he can flat out shoot the ball. Even if he doesn't start he's a sixth man somewhere. There will always be a job for somebody who can just flat out shoot the ball.

He is Eddie House. If you remember Eddie House at ASU, you remember a guy that was lights out amazing. 25 pts a game if I remember correctly.

But there isn't a single team in the NBA with a 6'1" two guard like Fredette (he's not a point, we all know that) who comes to an NBA and dominates the ball.

He will be a sixth man as much as Eddie is sixth man. Not happening. Name one 6'1" shooting guard in the league that is a sixth man.

He is Jannero Pargo. He is Eddie House. He is Earl Boykins. Guys who can come in a give you a spark every once in a while, but in the end, they are who they are.

bronco0608
01-29-2011, 11:01 PM
I didn't realize how polarizing this guy is. He's the Tim Tebow of basketball.

That's right.

I went there.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tm33tTS2iZc/SO2XuJ0-_5I/AAAAAAAABIc/6mO83ax73dE/s400/ObamaSmug.jpg

Polarizing? I believe you have 70 posts in favor of Fredette and then you have mine. Ha!

broncocalijohn
01-29-2011, 11:07 PM
I love watching him. I don't think I've ever seen a player extend "being in the zone" as long as this guy. He just hits from everywhere.

Last night, my whole family was transfixed.

Today, I've been down to the courthouse. My son's name has now been changed to Jimmer Elway.

When you say whole family, do you mean, you and your wife and 10 kids?

bronco0608
01-29-2011, 11:14 PM
Saw Jimmer today; this guy is amazing. He went for 32 but somehow the Lobos pulled off a huge upset at The Pit. Great atmosphere, great game.

Still shocked the Lobos won. But Jimmer is good. And quite frankly, I'm not ruling out him starting in the Association. If JJ Reddick can, he can. I know he's a combo guard at best, I know he's not super athletic, and quite frankly I know that he's white. But he can flat out shoot the ball. Even if he doesn't start he's a sixth man somewhere. There will always be a job for somebody who can just flat out shoot the ball.

And i'll tell you another thing. You think he is head and shoulders better than Jaycee Carroll from Utah State a couple of years ago? That freakin' kid could shoot. Carroll was a legitimate 6'2" shooting guard who averaged like 23 pts a game and he is not even in the league! Carroll was something else. Can't even get a 10 day contract.

Remember Lester Hudson? In no way is Jimmer Freddette better than Lester Hudson. Hudson averaged like 28 pts a game for Tenneesse Chattanooga. He dropped 40 pts on Memphis when they had Derrick Rose. He damn near averaged a triple double in college. But where is he in the league? Skipping around teams as a 12th man. Hudson is 6'3"!

t-diddy
01-30-2011, 02:15 AM
Saw Jimmer today; this guy is amazing. He went for 32 but somehow the Lobos pulled off a huge upset at The Pit. Great atmosphere, great game.

Still shocked the Lobos won. But Jimmer is good. And quite frankly, I'm not ruling out him starting in the Association. If JJ Reddick can, he can. I know he's a combo guard at best, I know he's not super athletic, and quite frankly I know that he's white. But he can flat out shoot the ball. Even if he doesn't start he's a sixth man somewhere. There will always be a job for somebody who can just flat out shoot the ball.

I was at the game too... it was incredible. I agree, Jimmer is the real deal. He is not your prototypical NBA guard but he has the body control, shooting ability and ball handling to play and succeed at the next level.

Never thought i'd be defending a BYU player... excuse me while i go throw up.... :wave:

Vegas_Bronco
01-30-2011, 09:20 AM
Here's another mormon animal for you Kaylore...
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=rdwkQNAwUZ8

RhymesayersDU
01-30-2011, 09:26 AM
He is Eddie House. If you remember Eddie House at ASU, you remember a guy that was lights out amazing. 25 pts a game if I remember correctly.

But there isn't a single team in the NBA with a 6'1" two guard like Fredette (he's not a point, we all know that) who comes to an NBA and dominates the ball.

He will be a sixth man as much as Eddie is sixth man. Not happening. Name one 6'1" shooting guard in the league that is a sixth man.

He is Jannero Pargo. He is Eddie House. He is Earl Boykins. Guys who can come in a give you a spark every once in a while, but in the end, they are who they are.

See, and here's where we disagree. I think he can be more consistent than the guys you mentioned. I would agree with you he's not an All-Star, etc. You won't get an argument with me about that.

But at the same time, I do think he's better than the guys you mentioned. I suppose we'll see next season (if there is a season...) what kind of situation he lands in. But I think he can be very productive.

Anyways, has there been a more polarizing player coming out of college recently than this guy? I mean, the debate is on across the basketball world. It's good stuff. It'll be real interesting to see how the draft goes, because surely somebody will either pull the trigger way too early, or one of these good teams in the back of the draft are going to get a steal late.

sgbfan
01-30-2011, 11:33 AM
And i'll tell you another thing. You think he is head and shoulders better than Jaycee Carroll from Utah State a couple of years ago? That freakin' kid could shoot. Carroll was a legitimate 6'2" shooting guard who averaged like 23 pts a game and he is not even in the league! Carroll was something else. Can't even get a 10 day contract.

Remember Lester Hudson? In no way is Jimmer Freddette better than Lester Hudson. Hudson averaged like 28 pts a game for Tenneesse Chattanooga. He dropped 40 pts on Memphis when they had Derrick Rose. He damn near averaged a triple double in college. But where is he in the league? Skipping around teams as a 12th man. Hudson is 6'3"!

I watched Jaycee play a lot and he was an amazing shooter, but he never had the ball in his hand and hardly ever took it to the basket. He was a spot up, catch and shoot shooter. Jimmer has at least some resemblance to a point guard. Not a very good comparison in my opinion. Don't know Lester Hudson...

DomCasual
02-26-2011, 02:08 PM
Jimmer didn't have a particularly great game, but BYU stepped up. If they win out, they should bet a number one seed.

Orange4Life
02-26-2011, 02:32 PM
Good game. SD was not going to let Jimmer beat them. Other players stepped up big time. Loved it. I like SD players and coach, classy bunch. The fans not so much....

Karenin
02-26-2011, 03:16 PM
His NBA career will be somewhere between Gerry McNamara and Trajan Langdon

DomCasual
02-26-2011, 03:26 PM
Good game. SD was not going to let Jimmer beat them. Other players stepped up big time. Loved it. I like SD players and coach, classy bunch. The fans not so much....

Sports seems to bring out the worst in San Diego residents (other than the Padres - their fans just seem aloof).

AZorange1
02-26-2011, 04:25 PM
Sports seems to bring out the worst in San Diego residents (other than the Padres - their fans just seem aloof).

San Diego has finally displaced Cleveland as the biggest choke town in sports. Baseball, football and basketball.!Booya!

RhymesayersDU
02-26-2011, 04:31 PM
His NBA career will be somewhere between Gerry McNamara and Trajan Langdon

I see what you did there.

You're not too bright, are you?

BroncosMT
02-26-2011, 04:35 PM
Jimmer still had 25 points but Emery and Hartsock stepped up big time!!! What a huge win..... Although the tourney can still be redemption for SDSU if given the opportunity and UNLV always shows up at home!! Hopefully BYU can lock up a number 1 seed and represent in March!!

Kaylore
02-26-2011, 05:09 PM
I don't think San Diego choked. I think BYU got hot with the three and San Diego had no answer. The refs let the guys play and that should have played into San Diego's hands because Jimmer only got to the line a few times. The Cougs turned on their shooting, had a hot hand and it was over.

HUGE win for the Cougs. I still think San Diego is a very good team. They're very physical, and play with a high motor in the paint. I just think BYU nailed some big threes and that was the deciding factor.

Let this be a warning to those that think shutting down Fredette inside the key is going to neutralize BYU. Harstock, Emery and Abouo can play.

Kaylore
02-26-2011, 05:11 PM
I wasn't at the game, so I didn't see the signs that were not TV appropriate, but I thought the Missionary costumes and the celebrity heads were hilarious. I mean why not?

SoCalBronco
02-26-2011, 05:19 PM
I don't think San Diego choked. I think BYU got hot with the three and San Diego had no answer. The refs let the guys play and that should have played into San Diego's hands because Jimmer only got to the line a few times. The Cougs turned on their shooting, had a hot hand and it was over.

HUGE win for the Cougs. I still think San Diego is a very good team. They're very physical, and play with a high motor in the paint. I just think BYU nailed some big threes and that was the deciding factor.

Let this be a warning to those that think shutting down Fredette inside the key is going to neutralize BYU. Harstock, Emery and Abouo can play.

I actually watched this game. Congrats on the win, Khan. Even though he didn't totally take over the game, Jimmer is still approaching Margin Hooks-level greatness.

http://espn.go.com/media/abcsports/2000/0822/photo/a_marginhooks.jpg

Stud.

Orange4Life
02-26-2011, 05:31 PM
I wasn't at the game, so I didn't see the signs that were not TV appropriate, but I thought the Missionary costumes and the celebrity heads were hilarious. I mean why not?

Yeah that stuff was fine. They threw drinks, coins, candy at Jimmer after his TV interview according to SL Trib beat writer.

Kaylore
02-26-2011, 05:47 PM
I actually watched this game. Congrats on the win, Khan. Even though he didn't totally take over the game, Jimmer is still approaching Margin Hooks-level greatness.

http://espn.go.com/media/abcsports/2000/0822/photo/a_marginhooks.jpg

Stud.

:spit: Yeah maybe one day...

JJJ
02-27-2011, 10:24 AM
San Diego has finally displaced Cleveland as the biggest choke town in sports. Baseball, football and basketball.!Booya!

Yeah, pretty much true. 50 years and waiting. Brutal.

oubronco
02-27-2011, 10:35 AM
Jimmer still had 25 points but Emery and Hartsock stepped up big time!!! What a huge win..... Although the tourney can still be redemption for SDSU if given the opportunity and UNLV always shows up at home!! Hopefully BYU can lock up a number 1 seed and represent in March!!

Noah Hartsock is from my hometown and is a very nice kid. I'm glad he's doing good

DomCasual
03-02-2011, 05:46 PM
Man, losing Brandon Davies hurts. They're going to have to go smaller, from here on out.

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FantomForce
03-02-2011, 05:48 PM
Please get me out of this Jimmer "mania" hell hole. I can't even play pick up ball without every person yelling "jimmer" when they shoot a 3, even if they airball it

DomCasual
03-02-2011, 05:53 PM
Please get me out of this Jimmer "mania" hell hole. I can't even play pick up ball without every person yelling "jimmer" when they shoot a 3, even if they airball it

My first reaction to your post was to feel angry. But then I stopped and asked myself, "WWJD?"

And honestly, the answer was clear. Jimmer would turn the other cheek.

I'm trying to be more like Jimmer.

loborugger
03-02-2011, 10:01 PM
Dear Jimmer,

Congrats on a great season. Hope you enjoyed your senior night as much as we did.

Regards,
UNM Lobos

RhymesayersDU
03-02-2011, 10:14 PM
I believe they have one more home game.

DB-Freak
03-02-2011, 11:13 PM
Davies turns himself in for having sex and gets kicked off?

I bet the whole basketball program will be thinking that he would have kept his goddamn mouth shut after they exit early in the march dance.

Huge loss.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-02-2011, 11:49 PM
hahaa BYU sure has a strict code.

24champ
03-03-2011, 12:06 AM
Davies turns himself in for having sex and gets kicked off?

I bet the whole basketball program will be thinking that he would have kept his goddamn mouth shut after they exit early in the march dance.

Huge loss.

Rumor is he got his girlfriend pregnant. So he had to go to the honor code offices and confess.

extralife
03-03-2011, 12:31 AM
check out the conclusion of the AP/ESPN news story on this: "Davies...gave the Cougars length and size inside."

you know someone had fun writing that one.

vancejohnson82
03-03-2011, 12:56 AM
keep writing them off in your brackets....

they wont go all the way but i can guarantee an elite eight

Rock Chalk
03-03-2011, 09:06 AM
keep writing them off in your brackets....

they wont go all the way but i can guarantee an elite eight

Depends on teh matchups.

If, in the Sweet 16, they face an opponent with a strong inside presence, they are done.

And if I have learned one immutable fact about March Madness, its not to guarantee anything.

Rock Chalk
03-03-2011, 09:07 AM
Btw, ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!

Kaylore
03-03-2011, 09:20 AM
Davies let his team down and himself down in a big way. It's very disappointing but it is the right thing to do. I do think this hurts BYU's chances, but I think if they play up-tempo they can make an elite 8. It will depend on the seed.

BroncoInferno
03-03-2011, 09:42 AM
Davies let his team down and himself down in a big way. It's very disappointing but it is the right thing to do. I do think this hurts BYU's chances, but I think if they play up-tempo they can make an elite 8. It will depend on the seed.

No, Davies was let down by a medieval honor code. The guy is an adult who had consensual relations with another adult. My God, the world is ending! What is this, Victorian England? And they are going to kick the poor guy off the team? No credit for his honesty? I mean, seriously, how many guys are on the BYU football team? 70? 80? More? If you think everyone of those guys is abstaining from sex then I've got a peach farm in Buffalo to sell you.

RhymesayersDU
03-03-2011, 10:07 AM
No, Davies was let down by a medieval honor code. The guy is an adult who had consensual relations with another adult. My God, the world is ending! What is this, Victorian England? And they are going to kick the poor guy off the team? No credit for his honesty? I mean, seriously, how many guys are on the BYU football team? 70? 80? More? If you think everyone of those guys is abstaining from sex then I've got a peach farm in Buffalo to sell you.

Medieval or not those were the rules he signed up for. And if you're going to break that rule, use a condom. It's his own fault. I'm sure you're right that others have sex; but a little planning will allow you to not get caught.

MileHighMagic
03-03-2011, 10:15 AM
Davies was the only BYU player scoring last night.

Go Lobos!

BroncoInferno
03-03-2011, 10:17 AM
Medieval or not those were the rules he signed up for. And if you're going to break that rule, use a condom. It's his own fault. I'm sure you're right that others have sex; but a little planning will allow you to not get caught.

I don't agree. A outdated idea is an outdated idea. It's like the Catholic Church with birth control. Nobody follows that prohibition anymore. It's "technically" on the books, but only the most hardcore literalist pays it any heed.

RhymesayersDU
03-03-2011, 10:52 AM
I don't agree. A outdated idea is an outdated idea. It's like the Catholic Church with birth control. Nobody follows that prohibition anymore. It's "technically" on the books, but only the most hardcore literalist pays it any heed.

Except in the Catholic Church there's nobody to enforce said rules. That's between an individual and themselves and/or God. The individual makes their life choices.

These are campus rules, enforced on a daily basis by the school. Far more strict than other schools? Absolutely. But the set of rules is what he signed up for. The topic is getting hammered in the press and on talk radio this week. Every former BYU athlete interviewed has said that the school takes the honor code seriously there and that from day 1 of recruiting they are upfront about it.

FantomForce
03-03-2011, 10:58 AM
My first reaction to your post was to feel angry. But then I stopped and asked myself, "WWJD?"

And honestly, the answer was clear. Jimmer would turn the other cheek.

I'm trying to be more like Jimmer.

My reaction now will be for all guys on a first date to yell out "Davies" whether they're gonna get some or not:wiggle:

24champ
03-03-2011, 11:26 AM
I don't agree. A outdated idea is an outdated idea. It's like the Catholic Church with birth control. Nobody follows that prohibition anymore. It's "technically" on the books, but only the most hardcore literalist pays it any heed.

It's a private institution and they have the right to enforce these rules they have. Davies lived in Provo, and knew EXACTLY what he was signing up for.

The other thing is that the Church doesn't care much about sports. All the sports stuff is very much down on the totem pole on the list of what the Church cares about.

vancejohnson82
03-03-2011, 11:39 AM
It's a private institution and they have the right to enforce these rules they have. Davies lived in Provo, and knew EXACTLY what he was signing up for.

The other thing is that the Church doesn't care much about sports. All the sports stuff is very much down on the totem pole on the list of what the Church cares about.

exactly....he basically decided to follow the rules in order to get his education paid for

DomCasual
03-03-2011, 01:13 PM
The only one to blame in this is Brandon Davies. I applaud those who have pointed out how he knew what he was getting into. Provo High School is literally across the street from the BYU campus. He grew up around it. Agree with the system, or don't. It's not relevant to the discussion.

Everyone who has ever gone to BYU is intimately familiar with the Honor Code. Honestly, I think some of it is stupid (I got a warning for showing up at the testing center with facial stubble once); but it is part of the deal with going to BYU. And believe it or not, the college experience at BYU is incredible. It's much, much different than a place like, say, Liberty University. I hope my son's grades are such that he can get in there (for admissions this year, average ACT score was almost 29, and average GPA was 3.8). There's no place I would rather he go.

vancejohnson82
03-03-2011, 01:16 PM
The only one to blame in this is Brandon Davies. I applaud those who have pointed out how he knew what he was getting into. Provo High School is literally across the street from the BYU campus. He grew up around it. Agree with the system, or don't. It's not relevant to the discussion.

Everyone who has ever gone to BYU is intimately familiar with the Honor Code. Honestly, I think some of it is stupid (I got a warning for showing up at the testing center with facial stubble once); but it is part of the deal with going to BYU. And believe it or not, the college experience at BYU is incredible. It's much, much different than a place like, say, Liberty University. I hope my son's grades are such that he can get in there (for admissions this year, average ACT score was almost 29, and average GPA was 3.8). There's no place I would rather he go.


I have a serious question.....if he were to have sex during the summer when class isnt in session, would he still be in trouble?

is the honor code applicable when school is not in session?

DomCasual
03-03-2011, 01:24 PM
I have a serious question.....if he were to have sex during the summer when class isnt in session, would he still be in trouble?

is the honor code applicable when school is not in session?

Yeah, but it still comes down to your willingness to admit it. The Honor Code is basically on the honor system. The exception to this is the lame students who feel it is their duty to report anyone they see breaking the Honor Code.

My guess with Davies is that his girlfriend ended up pregnant. I seriously doubt that he had sex for the first time over the weekend, and was so wrought with guilt that he went and told his ecclesiastical leader.

vancejohnson82
03-03-2011, 01:29 PM
Yeah, but it still comes down to your willingness to admit it. The Honor Code is basically on the honor system. The exception to this is the lame students who feel it is their duty to report anyone they see breaking the Honor Code.

My guess with Davies is that his girlfriend ended up pregnant. I seriously doubt that he had sex for the first time over the weekend, and was so wrought with guilt that he went and told his ecclesiastical leader.

yea, thats what I figured too....or perhaps she went to the student health center?

thanks, I didnt realize that it all came down to the student's honor and that he/she would have to admit it

BroncoInferno
03-03-2011, 02:12 PM
It isn't so much the rule that bothers me (though I do think it is retarded), it's that the punishment does not fit the crime. I mean, seriously, dismissing the kid from the team because he had consensual sex? And admitted to it, no less, when he didn't have to. Does he lose his scholarship, too? I'm sorry, that's just stupid. You can't brush it away with "well, he knew what he was getting into." He's, what, 19 or 20 years old? You expect perfection from a 20 year old athlete on a major college university campus, seriously? Like I said, if you believe half the football team isn't getting laid PM me for some awesome real estate opportunities. This kid was honest about it and gets the boot.

vancejohnson82
03-03-2011, 02:22 PM
It isn't so much the rule that bothers me (though I do think it is retarded), it's that the punishment does not fit the crime. I mean, seriously, dismissing the kid from the team because he had consensual sex? And admitted to it, no less, when he didn't have to. Does he lose his scholarship, too? I'm sorry, that's just stupid. You can't brush it away with "well, he knew what he was getting into." He's, what, 19 or 20 years old? You expect perfection from a 20 year old athlete on a major college university campus, seriously? Like I said, if you believe half the football team isn't getting laid PM me for some awesome real estate opportunities. This kid was honest about it and gets the boot.

I got caught drinking in the dorms when I was in college and was kicked out of student housing....obviously I wasn't the only person drinking in the dorms, it was rampant. But I got caught.

I knew the rules, took my chances and faced consequences. Isn't this the same type of situation?

Kaylore
03-03-2011, 02:25 PM
Why is it stupid? It's religious school based on LDS values. It's funded with church money so they are going to hold people to the LDS values and that means no sex, drinking, cursing or even facial hair. I went there and knew full well what it all meant. He knew the rules when he went. BYU is a very hard to school to get into because half the tuition is paid with church money. You need a 3.8 to even get considered. Factor in the honor code and there are plenty of schools that would have been easier to get into. University of Utah is a secular school just down the road with no honor code. He could have gone there if being close to home is an issue. He could have gone somewhere else.

Whining that the "rule is dumb" is utterly irrelevant. It is what it is.

And you're also wrong with your "everyone on there is having sex anyway" comment. I was a virgin when I got married and I had plenty of opportunities to have sex and was able to say no. Many of my friends that are LDS, some great athletes on BYU sports teams, were virgins when they got married. It's not hard to not have sex.

vancejohnson82
03-03-2011, 02:31 PM
Why is it stupid? It's religious school based on LDS values. It's funded with church money so they are going to hold people to the LDS values and that means no sex, drinking, cursing or even facial hair. I went there and knew full well what it all meant. He knew the rules when he went. BYU is a very hard to school to get into because half the tuition is paid with church money. You need a 3.8 to even get considered. Factor in the honor code and there are plenty of schools that would have been easier to get into. University of Utah is a secular school just down the road with no honor code. He could have gone there if being close to home is an issue. He could have gone somewhere else.

Whining that the "rule is dumb" is utterly irrelevant. It is what it is.

And you're also wrong with your "everyone on there is having sex anyway" comment. I was a virgin when I got married and I had plenty of opportunities to have sex and was able to say no. Many of my friends that are LDS, some great athletes on BYU sports teams, were virgins when they got married. It's not hard to not have sex.


I never got laid in college......there was no Honor Code

(sigh)

DomCasual
03-03-2011, 02:32 PM
It isn't so much the rule that bothers me (though I do think it is retarded), it's that the punishment does not fit the crime. I mean, seriously, dismissing the kid from the team because he had consensual sex? And admitted to it, no less, when he didn't have to. Does he lose his scholarship, too? I'm sorry, that's just stupid. You can't brush it away with "well, he knew what he was getting into." He's, what, 19 or 20 years old? You expect perfection from a 20 year old athlete on a major college university campus, seriously? Like I said, if you believe half the football team isn't getting laid PM me for some awesome real estate opportunities. This kid was honest about it and gets the boot.

Well, a few things:

1) I don't think it's as difficult as you make it out to be. Sure, most kids this age are having sex. But that's just because there is nothing in most of their systems of belief that teaches them not to. Mormons believe in waiting until they're married to have sex. A good portion of them therefore do just that. They survive.

2) I doubt he loses his scholarship. My guess is that he'll be back next year, for his junior season.

BroncoInferno
03-03-2011, 02:38 PM
Why is it stupid? It's religious school based on LDS values. It's funded with church money so they are going to hold people to the LDS values and that means no sex, drinking, cursing or even facial hair. I went there and knew full well what it all meant. He knew the rules when he went. BYU is a very hard to school to get into because half the tuition is paid with church money. You need a 3.8 to even get considered. Factor in the honor code and there are plenty of schools that would have been easier to get into. University of Utah is a secular school just down the road with no honor code. He could have gone there if being close to home is an issue. He could have gone somewhere else.

Whining that the "rule is dumb" is utterly irrelevant. It is what it is.

And you're also wrong with your "everyone on there is having sex anyway" comment. I was a virgin when I got married and I had plenty of opportunities to have sex and was able to say no. Many of my friends that are LDS, some great athletes on BYU sports teams, were virgins when they got married. It's not hard to not have sex.

I never said all of them were doing it...I said it's a good bet that a sizable number are, and I'm right. Again, it's a about the punishment meeting the crime. The Taliban have an honor code, too, but I don't hear anyone saying "it is what it is" about that. The kid made a mistake at 19 years old- a not very serious mistake in the grand scheme of things - and the negative impact on his life is grossly out of proportion with the "crime." Does he lose his scholarship, too? Where is the Christian compassion?

BroncoInferno
03-03-2011, 02:46 PM
Well, a few things:

1) I don't think it's as difficult as you make it out to be. Sure, most kids this age are having sex. But that's just because there is nothing in most of their systems of belief that teaches them not to. Mormons believe in waiting until they're married to have sex. A good portion of them therefore do just that. They survive.

Pretty much all Christian denominations preach against premartial sex to one degree or another, but most people simply ignore it. I've grown up around plenty of good ol Southern Baptists, and I knew very few who stayed abstinent until marriage despite the fact that Baptists are pretty vigilant in their rhetoric against premarital sex. Maybe the Mormons are more disciplined. I still find it likely that at least a handful choose to ignore the rule, don't you?

2) I doubt he loses his scholarship. My guess is that he'll be back next year, for his junior season.

If that's the case, that would make me feel differently about it.

Rock Chalk
03-03-2011, 02:46 PM
It's a private institution and they have the right to enforce these rules they have. Davies lived in Provo, and knew EXACTLY what he was signing up for.

The other thing is that the Church doesn't care much about sports. All the sports stuff is very much down on the totem pole on the list of what the Church cares about.

Hahahaha. Yeah Im sure all the millions that sports brings in is way down on the totem pole of the Mormon church.

Kaylore
03-03-2011, 02:57 PM
Hahahaha. Yeah Im sure all the millions that sports brings in is way down on the totem pole of the Mormon church.

Yeah it is, actually. The church makes several times more in tithing than they make in ticket sales. And the powers that be would rather see a great player kicked off the team for morale reasons than win an NCAA championship. I promise you that a majority of the student body agrees. I know for me, while I was disappointed with what he did, I applaud BYU for taking the moral high ground.

sgbfan
03-03-2011, 03:06 PM
Yeah it is, actually. The church makes several times more in tithing than they make in ticket sales. And the powers that be would rather see a great player kicked off the team for morale reasons than win an NCAA championship. I promise you that a majority of the student body agrees. I know for me, while I was disappointed with what he did, I applaud BYU for taking the moral high ground.

Totally agree. The church is much more interested in the positive exposure that they get from sports than the Money. I truly believe that is the biggest reason why BYU went independent. The last thing the church is going to do is change their stance for the benefit of sports.

I could argue that I don't like how the Honor code is handled in certain situations, because Nobody should have to deal with something so personal on a national level, but that doesn't mean I don't agree with the code. It is a priveledge to go to college, and especially difficult to get into BYU. Its a school for those who want to live those standards.

24champ
03-03-2011, 04:37 PM
Hahahaha. Yeah Im sure all the millions that sports brings in is way down on the totem pole of the Mormon church.

I'm not Mormon, but I do follow business in sports. The Church brings in more than "millions" through other means not related to sports. What sports brings in for the BYU/Church is a drop in the bucket compared to what the Church really brings in. There's no actual data as it is a private institution, but it is estimated through the corporations that LDS owns, they are worth 100 billion dollars. Not to mention that the Church takes in several Billion a year from its members through charity and tithing.

Think about that for a minute and ask yourself if the BYU/Church is really concerned with the "millions" dollars sports brings in.

They aren't.

Orange4Life
03-03-2011, 04:51 PM
On board with he knew what he was getting into and I'm all for BYU following through with the rules.

The part I disagree with is how this has become a national story. I feel bad for Davies. He had sex with his girlfriend, it happens. Getting suspended from the team is the consequence. \
However being on every news and sports program shouldn't be part of the deal. There has to be a better way for BYU to handle this to protect the kid. When the honor code was written nobody could imagine something like this being such a huge story. I hope Davies pulls through this ok.

gunns
03-03-2011, 05:02 PM
No, Davies was let down by a medieval honor code. The guy is an adult who had consensual relations with another adult. My God, the world is ending! What is this, Victorian England? And they are going to kick the poor guy off the team? No credit for his honesty? I mean, seriously, how many guys are on the BYU football team? 70? 80? More? If you think everyone of those guys is abstaining from sex then I've got a peach farm in Buffalo to sell you.

He knew what he was doing when he signed the honor code at BYU. It was a choice. Just like the one he made to have sex, especially without a condom. He also knew the consequences of both. Too bad more kids aren't made to answer for their choices. Maybe we'd have more mature adults in the world.

DomCasual
03-03-2011, 05:02 PM
I'm not Mormon, but I do follow business in sports. The Church brings in more than "millions" through other means not related to sports. What sports brings in for the BYU/Church is a drop in the bucket compared to what the Church really brings in. There's no actual data as it is a private institution, but it is estimated through the corporations that LDS owns, they are worth 100 billion dollars. Not to mention that the Church takes in several Billion a year from its members through charity and tithing.

Think about that for a minute and ask yourself if the BYU/Church is really concerned with the "millions" dollars sports brings in.

They aren't.

This is exactly right. I think the church sees BYU sports as a PR tool. It can't be a money sieve, obviously. But it doesn't need to be a cash cow, either.

That, in my opinion, was the driving force behind BYU's dissatisfaction with the Mountain West. The Mountain network is a joke. Most of even those who have it don't know how to find it. There were other problems, obviously. But the biggest one was the regionality it forced BYU into.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-03-2011, 05:03 PM
On board with he knew what he was getting into and I'm all for BYU following through with the rules.

The part I disagree with is how this has become a national story. I feel bad for Davies. He had sex with his girlfriend, it happens. Getting suspended from the team is the consequence. \
However being on every news and sports program shouldn't be part of the deal. There has to be a better way for BYU to handle this to protect the kid. When the honor code was written nobody could imagine something like this being such a huge story. I hope Davies pulls through this ok.

The world is too media related. Once he was suspended, you really think the reason why wouldnt slip out/

DomCasual
03-03-2011, 05:04 PM
The world is too media related. Once he was suspended, you really think the reason why wouldnt slip out/

I see what you did there. :)

sgbfan
03-03-2011, 05:06 PM
On board with he knew what he was getting into and I'm all for BYU following through with the rules.

The part I disagree with is how this has become a national story. I feel bad for Davies. He had sex with his girlfriend, it happens. Getting suspended from the team is the consequence. \
However being on every news and sports program shouldn't be part of the deal. There has to be a better way for BYU to handle this to protect the kid. When the honor code was written nobody could imagine something like this being such a huge story. I hope Davies pulls through this ok.

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately there was no choice but to have this be such a big story. BYU just came away with its biggest win possibly ever. Jimmer has become a household name. BYU just got 3rd in the nation and people were debating if they deserve a 1 seed. It was the perfect storm, and I feel bad for Davies. I also feel bad for the rest of the team, especially Jimmer and Jackson Emery who had the chance to do something special their senior years.

Orange4Life
03-03-2011, 05:10 PM
The world is too media related. Once he was suspended, you really think the reason why wouldnt slip out/

No way would it not get out. My point was the the honor code in its present form was written years ago. I couldn't tell you exactly but lets say at least 30-40 years ago. When it was written there was no sports radio, twitter, or 24 hour news cycle. In this day and age there has to be a better way to handle this. No 19 year old kid deserves this media storm for having consensual sex.

I don't know what the answer is, I'm just saying I feel for the kid and hope he pulls through ok

DomCasual
03-03-2011, 05:17 PM
No way would it not get out. My point was the the honor code in its present form was written years ago. I couldn't tell you exactly but lets say at least 30-40 years ago. When it was written there was no sports radio, twitter, or 24 hour news cycle. In this day and age there has to be a better way to handle this. No 19 year old kid deserves this media storm for having consensual sex.

I don't know what the answer is, I'm just saying I feel for the kid and hope he pulls through ok

Assuming it was self-reported, I really respect the kid. Completely take out the universal right or wrong factor of the whole thing. He agreed not to do it, he did it, and he stepped up to deal with the consequences. I tell my son all the time that I'm much more interested in how he deals with his mistakes, than I am the fact that he made the mistake to begin with.

DomCasual
03-03-2011, 05:49 PM
If that's the case, that would make me feel differently about it.

http://bit.ly/e4yoKL

Here's an interesting column about Reno Mahe, who went through a similar process back in 1998.

Mahe suffered the same hard lessons in 1998 after an honor code violation got him booted from the football program after his freshman season.

"I've always shared this with people, that it was probably one of the best things that had happened to me," he said. "I appreciate what BYU did to me. I appreciate the honor code and what it stands for. I appreciate that they enforce it. You get a lot of schools that say they have codes, but I don't think anyone enforces it like BYU does."

DivineBronco
03-04-2011, 01:23 AM
this is a take I had not seen yet

http://deadspin.com/#!5775738/a-byu-grad-on-brandon-davies-sex-and-the-universitys-double-standard

Rock Chalk
03-04-2011, 08:28 AM
Yeah it is, actually. The church makes several times more in tithing than they make in ticket sales. And the powers that be would rather see a great player kicked off the team for morale reasons than win an NCAA championship. I promise you that a majority of the student body agrees. I know for me, while I was disappointed with what he did, I applaud BYU for taking the moral high ground.

LOL ticket sales. Merchandising, TV revenue, all of that = millions and NO CHURCH has something that makes them MILLIONS "low on the totem pole". You are a naive twit if you think so.

Im not saying that they shouldn't have adhered to their code, Im just contesting that sports are "low on teh totem pole" to the LDS Church when it affords them millions of dollars.

24champ
03-04-2011, 09:17 AM
LOL ticket sales. Merchandising, TV revenue, all of that = millions and NO CHURCH has something that makes them MILLIONS "low on the totem pole". You are a naive twit if you think so.

Im not saying that they shouldn't have adhered to their code, Im just contesting that sports are "low on teh totem pole" to the LDS Church when it affords them millions of dollars.

You obviously aren't aware of how the church operates and where/how much they generate money from. It's not a big deal to them.

Cool Breeze
03-04-2011, 01:17 PM
Is his girlfriend hot?

DomCasual
03-04-2011, 01:27 PM
Is his girlfriend hot?

Dude, she's Mormon.

Of course she's hot.

razorwire77
03-04-2011, 01:40 PM
As a UNM graduate, I follow the MWC closely and despise all that is BYU athletics. That being said, I respect that the school adheres to its honor code. There are dozens of division one institutions where Davies could have played if he wanted to have premarital sex with his girlfriend and not face consequences. BYU isn't one of those schools. He knew that when he accepted a scholarship to religious based institution. Does anyone know how the school found out? I'm assuming it's because he either got the girl pregnant or one of the married players on the team ratted on him.

Kaylore
03-04-2011, 02:17 PM
LOL ticket sales. Merchandising, TV revenue, all of that = millions and NO CHURCH has something that makes them MILLIONS "low on the totem pole". You are a naive twit if you think so.
Actually, you're the nitwit that is talking about something like you know when you really have no idea how it works, not even a little bit. There's post after post of people confirming my point of view, not to mention I know, and you frankly are just guessing. Their actions alone show they would rather do the right thing and risk losing tournament money and TV revenue bot suspending the student.

You lose. You're wrong. You have no idea.

I'm right. Jayhawks suck and will choke in the tournament.

BYU rules.

winning. :approve:

Karenin
03-04-2011, 05:53 PM
Dude, she's Mormon.

Of course she's hot.

Totally.

http://blog.zap2it.com/thedishrag/donnie-marie-osmond.jpg

24champ
03-07-2011, 05:30 PM
Dude, she's Mormon.

Of course she's hot.

Apparently this is the girl Davies knocked up...

http://sportscasm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/JayciStephenPhoto.jpg

DomCasual
03-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Apparently this is the girl Davies knocked up...

http://sportscasm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/JayciStephenPhoto.jpg

See! I told you she would be a babe! Where did you come across this little gem? And is she actually impregnated?

DomCasual
03-07-2011, 06:10 PM
Totally.

http://blog.zap2it.com/thedishrag/donnie-marie-osmond.jpg

Man, Donny has had a lot of not-so-effective work done.

24champ
03-07-2011, 07:19 PM
See! I told you she would be a babe! Where did you come across this little gem? And is she actually impregnated?

Yeah she is assuming this site is in any way credible (never heard of it), and it turns out her dad is a former Bishop and made her go to Provo.

The Brandon Davies story just got a whole lot more interesting. As it turns out Brandon Davies didn’t get his girlfriend, Arizona State volleyball player Danica Mendivil, pregnant. While Mendivil is the girl Davies been dating for the past two years, we have exclusive news that he cheated and got Utah Valley University student Jayci Stephen pregnant.

According to a sources close to the family, 19 year old Jayci Stephen was “banished from Provo”, where she’d been staying, on Wednesday for having premarital relations with Davies and has since gone to her sisters house in Nevada to escape the media coverage.

Our sources are tell us that “Brandon and Jayci are extremely close and keep in contact and are handling the situation to the best of their ability”.

The two have been seeing each other “for only 3-4 months and have no plans of getting married” now that a baby is on it’s way. And while “Jayci is excited” about the pregnacy our sources tell us “the family is NOT happy at all. Her father is a former bishop and sent her to Provo because he felt she was getting into too much trouble in SoCal”. Well I guess that worked out for them.

http://frathousesports.com/jayci-stephen-utah-valley-student-brandon-davies-got-pregnant

UberBroncoMan
03-07-2011, 08:12 PM
'South Park' Creators' Mormon Musical Has Some Mormons Excited, Others Suspicious
http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Entertainment/2010/397/224/bookofmormon640.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/27/south-park-creators-mormon-musical-mormons-excited-suspicious/?test=faces

Damn you. That's the first thing that popped in my head when I saw this.

I hear it's ****ing crazy funny too.

DomCasual
03-10-2011, 11:42 AM
What an idiot. I seriously doubt they'll meet in the MWC Finals, but it would be fun if they did.

BYU basketball: UNLV's Tre'Von Willis still critical of Jimmer Fredette (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700116844/BYU-basketball-UNLVs-TreVon-Willis-still-critical-of-Jimmer-Fredette.html)

UNLV's Tre'Von Willis just can't resist bad-mouthing BYU's Jimmer Fredette.

Willis enjoys talking negatively about the Cougars' star guard, who has already been named both CBSSports.com's and SI.com's national player of the year, seemingly every chance he gets.

This week, Willis reacted to Fredette earning Mountain West Conference player-of-the-year honors.

"My vote would have been for (San Diego State's) Kawhi Leonard or maybe D.J. Gay, all-around players who can play defense," Willis told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

Before BYU visited UNLV on Jan. 5, Willis said, "They've got a preseason All-American and supposedly the best player in the conference on the other team, so that's gonna be nothing but fun."

Then, Willis added: "...he's got all of those (pre-season All-America) accolades, but he's gotta come in and prove it."

And Fredette proved it, knocking down seven 3-pointers and scoring 39 points, most of them against Willis, to lead the Cougars to an 89-77 victory.

A month later, when the two teams played in Provo, Willis ripped Fredette again. He was quoted as saying that Fredette "doesn't want to pass the ball. He wants to shoot the ball every single time."

So what did Fredette do? Well, he tallied seven assists as three of his teammates scored in double figures, and he poured in 29 points himself. The Cougars won again, 78-64.

Asked about Willis' pre-game comments, Fredette said he didn't hear them. But in the game's waning moments, Fredette drove hard to the hoop against Willis, scored a layup, and stared Willis down with an icy glare.

24champ
03-10-2011, 11:48 AM
What an idiot. I seriously doubt they'll meet in the MWC Finals,

I agree, I don't see BYU getting past UNM. :approve:

Go Rebs!

DomCasual
03-10-2011, 01:14 PM
I agree, I don't see BYU getting past UNM. :approve:

Go Rebs!

The odds of BYU beating UNM are better than UNLV beating SDSU.

That said, it would be fun to see if Jimmer could go for 50 on you in the championship game. :strong:

24champ
03-10-2011, 01:26 PM
The odds of BYU beating UNM are better than UNLV beating SDSU.

That said, it would be fun to see if Jimmer could go for 50 on you in the championship game. :strong:

Tre'von will teach him how to Jimmer, for sure.

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DomCasual
03-10-2011, 02:58 PM
BYU dodged a bullet. CU up by 6. This could be a great afternoon!

DomCasual
03-11-2011, 09:04 PM
52!

Orange4Life
03-11-2011, 09:08 PM
Unbelievable! Only one point from the line.

DomCasual
03-11-2011, 09:09 PM
Unbelievable! Only one point from the line.

Unbelievable is right. It was freakish.

RhymesayersDU
03-11-2011, 09:41 PM
Ridiculous night by Jimmer. Watched the entire game down here in Lobo country. I do think it's probably not the best idea to jack up 37 shots, but he made them so what the hell.

The guy is phenomenal, been on his bandwagon for a while.

That One Guy
03-11-2011, 09:48 PM
They broke into the Louisville game numerous times to comment that he had almost as many points as the Penn ST/Wisconsin game. Don't know anything about him (only watch basketball at tourney time) but they seemed to be a fan.

Kaylore
03-12-2011, 08:46 AM
JIMMMEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

http://static.deseretnews.com/images/article/midres/400991/400991.jpg

http://static.wetpaint.me/jersey/ROOT/photos/the%20girls%20fist%20pump.jpg

Kaylore
03-17-2011, 07:56 PM
Well we finally woke up in the second half, really the last seven minutes, and pulled away. Nice to dodge the upset bullet. I have too many memories of BYU choking away the first round. The refs were chippy tonight. It's funny when you think Jimmer had a bad day and then look at the box score and he had 32 points and 7 assists.

I kind of agree with Barkley though. We run into a team with a lot of size that plays real physical in the paint, unless we start hitting our shots we aren't going to go that far. Good win though.

Requiem
03-17-2011, 07:57 PM
Good win that means nothing. I'm rootin' for Moorhead State baby! The place jhns learned all his skills.

Kaylore
03-17-2011, 08:00 PM
Good win that means nothing. I'm rootin' for Moorhead State baby! The place jhns learned all his skills.

:rofl: My wife made a similar comment when she saw them.

Requiem
03-17-2011, 08:02 PM
Hope you and your wife have a blast in LA.

If you go up to the Bay Area near UCB, go find my ex-gf and slap her for me. :)

KipCorrington25
03-17-2011, 08:11 PM
I don't know much about the guy but throwing up a three when they were up by 11 with 8 seconds to go was bush league.

Requiem
03-17-2011, 08:12 PM
It's called winning Kip. Something you obviously know nothin' about.

KipCorrington25
03-17-2011, 08:24 PM
It's called winning Kip. Something you obviously know nothin' about.

Yeah I'm a Broncos fan. ;)

Vegas_Bronco
03-17-2011, 08:28 PM
Rebels take the court tomorrow in Tulsa and guess who has tix?....... Step back. Champ wish you were here. Its good to see the mtn west winning the games they should. Why the he'll do we play KU again in the 2nd round?

Requiem
03-17-2011, 08:31 PM
Who has tickets?

Kaylore
03-17-2011, 08:45 PM
Gonzaga looks really big and really good. :(

Vegas_Bronco
03-17-2011, 08:46 PM
Who has tickets?

Not sunnyvale trailer park.

oubronco
03-17-2011, 08:47 PM
I don't know much about the guy but throwing up a three when they were up by 11 with 8 seconds to go was bush league.

The shot clock was running out

Captain 'Dre
03-17-2011, 08:49 PM
Nothing like a little bigotry to mix in with your Coffee-

...and beer and cigs. Ha!

RhymesayersDU
03-17-2011, 09:32 PM
Gonzaga looks really big and really good. :(

Picked Gonzaga to beat SJU and then beat BYU.

Requiem
03-17-2011, 09:45 PM
Not sunnyvale trailer park.

The only difference between me and you Vegas_Bronco. . . is a couple of drinks.

Rock Chalk
03-17-2011, 10:24 PM
Rebels take the court tomorrow in Tulsa and guess who has tix?....... Step back. Champ wish you were here. Its good to see the mtn west winning the games they should. Why the he'll do we play KU again in the 2nd round?

Gotta get passed Illinois first. The way this tournament is going, don't count them chickens before they are hatched.

Just saying.

Carmelo15
03-18-2011, 01:48 AM
Went to the two evening games at Pepsi Center tonight so I saw both teams play. I'm telling you, Gonzaga is going to beat BYU and beat them handily. Gonzaga is vastly underseeded. I hadn't really seen them play this year. After seeing them in person they could end up going to the elite 8 or better.

bap454
03-19-2011, 05:25 PM
Anyone know where to watch this game online??:sunshine:

oubronco
03-19-2011, 07:32 PM
cbs

DomCasual
03-19-2011, 08:05 PM
Went to the two evening games at Pepsi Center tonight so I saw both teams play. I'm telling you, Gonzaga is going to beat BYU and beat them handily. Gonzaga is vastly underseeded. I hadn't really seen them play this year. After seeing them in person they could end up going to the elite 8 or better.

Don't quitcher day job, sonny.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-19-2011, 08:29 PM
Went to the two evening games at Pepsi Center tonight so I saw both teams play. I'm telling you, Gonzaga is going to beat BYU and beat them handily. Gonzaga is vastly underseeded. I hadn't really seen them play this year. After seeing them in person they could end up going to the elite 8 or better.

I thought the same thing prior to tonight's game, but man, BYU was on fire. Additioanlly, Gonzaga's gaurds played very poorly.

Kaylore
03-19-2011, 10:42 PM
Went to the two evening games at Pepsi Center tonight so I saw both teams play. I'm telling you, Gonzaga is going to beat BYU and beat them handily. Gonzaga is vastly underseeded. I hadn't really seen them play this year. After seeing them in person they could end up going to the elite 8 or better.

20 points later, somewhere Jim Elbow is laughing.

epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2011, 11:00 PM
Don't quitcher day job, sonny.

Darn mormons.

Who names their kid "Jimmer" anyway?

I mean...is there a person out there who would nickname their kid "Jimmer" and expect that he not become a serial killer or something? ;D

Mormons arent people. They're like...half-person, half Partridge Family...on bikes...with ties. In fact, I heard that the Partridge Family was originally entitled The Young Family.

Mormons are too nice to be people. That makes me think that they are really evil in disguise. Like Tom Cruise and his scientologists wearing masks and trying to convince use all to hop on those bikes and follow them back to "Utah", which is really not Utah at all, but a spaceship beneath the Hollywood hills. I fear that they'll subjugate us to Xenu in slavery until we can raise the what...100K?...to raise ourselves to the next spiritual level.

Mormons playing basketball? I believe that's the pale rider on the pale horse...riding toward the apocalypse. ;)

epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2011, 11:06 PM
Who uses honor codes nowadays anyway? Losers. Thats who.

Honor is for losers. ;D

Bronco Vixen
03-20-2011, 08:28 AM
Who uses honor codes nowadays anyway? Losers. Thats who.

Honor is for losers. ;D

After spending last evening with BYU's finest at the Pepsi Center last night, I have determined that said honor code does not cover hideous flatulence, morbid obesity, Vitamin D, and bitter, angry, judging, creepy church eyes.

Bronco Vixen
03-20-2011, 08:30 AM
That said, the Jimmster can seriously create separation from anywhere and I can't remember witnessing such a pure and explosive shot.

And the fact that I'm going to leave that last sentence standing on a male-dominated message board, despite my initial gut reaction to edit, shows that I have a sense of humor.

Requiem
03-20-2011, 08:33 AM
Or that you are a nasty freak who is DTF.

OABB
03-20-2011, 08:44 AM
I have a quick release in my shot.

loborugger
03-20-2011, 10:12 AM
After spending last evening with BYU's finest at the Pepsi Center last night, I have determined that said honor code does not cover hideous flatulence, morbid obesity, Vitamin D, and bitter, angry, judging, creepy church eyes.

I refer you to the church's 1963 'smelt it/dealt it' decree.

Karenin
03-20-2011, 12:29 PM
After spending last evening with BYU's finest at the Pepsi Center last night, I have determined that said honor code does not cover hideous flatulence, morbid obesity, Vitamin D, and bitter, angry, judging, creepy church eyes.

You forgot "racist."

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2011, 02:02 PM
You forgot "racist."

Ah, its always quality to paint Mormons as a bunch of racists. That's the smart way to think right there.

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2011, 02:03 PM
After spending last evening with BYU's finest at the Pepsi Center last night, I have determined that said honor code does not cover hideous flatulence, morbid obesity, Vitamin D, and bitter, angry, judging, creepy church eyes.

Sounds like everyone else in America.

DomCasual
03-20-2011, 05:07 PM
You forgot "racist."

It's always refreshing when someone expresses a truly informed, well-thought-out opinion that pigeonholes millions of people with a one-word description. Well done, sir.

rugbythug
03-20-2011, 05:56 PM
Sounds like everyone else in America.

No kidding. What is church eyes. How do I know if I got it?

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2011, 08:17 PM
No kidding. What is church eyes. How do I know if I got it?

Only people who go to church can have judgmental dispositions. People that pass judgment on people who go to church cannot.

NUB
03-20-2011, 08:27 PM
Viewing all black people as cursed is hilarious. I don't see many Mormons going about section-8 housing, that's for sure.

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2011, 08:31 PM
Viewing all black people as cursed is hilarious. I don't see many Mormons going about section-8 housing, that's for sure.

Wow.

You're certainly up with modern Mormonism for sure.

DomCasual
03-20-2011, 08:51 PM
Viewing all black people as cursed is hilarious. I don't see many Mormons going about section-8 housing, that's for sure.

For thirty-five years, black Mormons have been afforded all the same rights and responsibilities as white Mormons. And in that time, the Mormon Church's membership has become much more racially diverse.

Things change.

Plus, Jimmer is no respecter of persons; so I guess I don't really get your point.

NUB
03-20-2011, 10:47 PM
I said nothing about rights or diversity so of course you would not get my point.

DomCasual
03-20-2011, 11:45 PM
I said nothing about rights or diversity so of course you would not get my point.

okay, so explain your point.

Kaylore
03-21-2011, 12:35 AM
This is typical. Any thread about a Mormon brings out all the bigoted turds and turns into a "let's rip on Mormonism" thread. And Dom, you aren't helping.

I love the "church eyes" comment too. The imagined judgements an insecure woman projects onto others. They probably didn't give you second thought, or even a first one, vixen. We don't spend all day counting the "sinners" we see.

NUB
03-21-2011, 12:42 AM
That anyone who buys this:

"It was during this prayer that the revelation came. The Spirit of the Lord rested upon us all; we felt something akin to what happened on the day of Pentecost and at the Kirtland Temple. From the midst of eternity, the voice of God, conveyed by the power of the Spirit, spoke to his prophet. The message was that the time had now come to offer the fullness of the everlasting gospel, including celestial marriage, and the priesthood, and the blessings of the temple, to all men, without reference to race or color, solely on the basis of personal worthiness. And we all heard the same voice, received the same message, and became personal witnesses that the word received was the mind and will and voice of the Lord."


Is a ... total genius! These guys would never lie under the context of an era where hating on blacks was no longer popular. That the flaws and biases of men did not play any role whatsoever in this is completely obvious! I can't believe nobody buys the story of God coming down and laying down a new law that just coincidentally happens to hugely benefit the people he's talking to! Consider myself a Mormon now because this man said the laws of nature were demolished for a brief period of time in his office and human beings never lie. I'm still saddened by the fact God could not break the laws of nature and spare Joseph Smith from cold-blooded execution while he lay gutted and bleeding on Illinois soil, but I guess he has a reason for everything.

:notworthy

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 12:47 AM
That anyone who buys this:




Is a ... total genius! These guys would never lie under the context of an era where hating on blacks was no longer popular. That the flaws and biases of men did not play any role whatsoever in this is completely obvious! I can't believe nobody buys the story of God coming down and laying down a new law that just coincidentally happens to hugely benefit the people he's talking to! Consider myself a Mormon now because this man said the laws of nature were demolished for a brief period of time in his office and human beings never lie. I'm still saddened by the fact God could not break the laws of nature and spare Joseph Smith from cold-blooded execution while he lay gutted and bleeding on Illinois soil, but I guess he has a reason for everything.

:notworthy

Classy post.

Mohammed was a pedophile and a warlord.

See how that feels?

NUB
03-21-2011, 12:53 AM
Classy post.

Mohammed was a pedophile and a warlord.

See how that feels?

See how what feels? If you want, I can direct you toward literature which quite descriptively takes account of Mohammed's consummation with a nine year-old, or with his other many wives (breaking the standard four-wife rule, of course). Or would you like text of his conquests across the Arabian peninsula? I didn't find anything offensive about this post and you are barking up the wrong tree if you assumed I would.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 12:57 AM
See how what feels? If you want, I can direct you toward literature which quite descriptively takes account of Mohammed's consummation with a nine year-old, or with his other many wives (breaking the standard four-wife rule, of course). Or would you like text of his conquests across the Arabian peninsula? I didn't find anything offensive about this post and you are barking up the wrong tree if you assumed I would.

Good for you then. You have been overly sensitive toward Muslim issues here in the past.

It still doesnt excuse your anti-Mormon bigotry.

NUB
03-21-2011, 01:03 AM
Good for you then. You have been overly sensitive toward Muslim issues here in the past.

It still doesnt excuse your anti-Mormon bigotry.

Correction, anti-Mormonism bigotry. I have nothing against Mormons. Of course, that line is common parlance for bigots so it's up to everyone else to take it for what it is. I would never yell at a Mormon or think less of them as individuals strictly for being Mormon. One thing to always remember is that no religious person is truly alike even if the group all goes by the same title.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 01:07 AM
Correction, anti-Mormonism bigotry. I have nothing against Mormons. Of course, that line is common parlance for bigots so it's up to everyone else to take it for what it is. I would never yell at a Mormon or think less of them as individuals strictly for being Mormon. One thing to always remember is that no religious person is truly alike even if the group all goes by the same title.

A better thing to remember: you dont venture into a thread where people are talking about a basketball player and turn it into a "Mormons are idiots" rant.

Its a sure way to show everyone else how superior Mormonism is to your own personal set of values. Why is that? Because they didnt engage you in your "is there anyone here who is a bigger douche than I am?" contest. Their values held them back. Yours did not do the same for you.

baja
03-21-2011, 01:16 AM
We're everywhere. And we're always watching.

Dom are Mormons and Later Day Saints the same religion?

sgbfan
03-21-2011, 01:17 AM
So, what do you all think about BYU's rematch with Florida



Anyone....



Silence.....



Well, It was worth a try.

NUB
03-21-2011, 01:17 AM
First, to be fair, I was not the first to make observations on Mormonism itself. Second, someone asked me of my "point", which I illustrated through humor. Was there another way to convey my thoughts that the concept of a revelation inside an office under suspicious social pretenses was quite curious other than humor? Possibly. Maybe I just did. Third, people can believe whatever they want.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 01:21 AM
First, to be fair, I was not the first to make observations on Mormonism itself. Second, someone asked me of my "point", which I illustrated through humor. Was there another way to convey my thoughts that the concept of a revelation inside an office under suspicious social pretenses was quite curious other than humor? Possibly. Maybe I just did. Third, people can believe whatever they want.

Of course they can.

At least...thats how we do it in America. They dont really need your permission.

baja
03-21-2011, 01:22 AM
First, to be fair, I was not the first to make observations on Mormonism itself. Second, someone asked me of my "point", which I illustrated through humor. Was there another way to convey my thoughts that the concept of a revelation inside an office under suspicious social pretenses was quite curious other than humor? Possibly. Maybe I just did. Third, people can believe whatever they want.

Who's the towel head in your avatar?

NUB
03-21-2011, 01:24 AM
Who's the towel head in your avatar?

It comes from one of my favorite films:

http://www.filmsite.org/posters/lawr5.jpg

baja
03-21-2011, 01:26 AM
I knew Lawrence of Wichita Falls

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 01:31 AM
I knew Lawrence of Wichita Falls

I thought you were more of a Larry of the Cable Guy kind of fellow.

baja
03-21-2011, 01:33 AM
Gotta admit that one went over my head

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 01:36 AM
Gotta admit that one went over my head

Believe me, there's nothing associated with Larry the Cable Guy that could ever go over your head. Maybe Tony R or Spider, but I think you're in the clear.

http://mooreslore.corante.com/archives/images/larry%20the%20cable%20guy.jpg

DomCasual
03-21-2011, 10:35 AM
This is typical. Any thread about a Mormon brings out all the bigoted turds and turns into a "let's rip on Mormonism" thread. And Dom, you aren't helping.

I love the "church eyes" comment too. The imagined judgements an insecure woman projects onto others. They probably didn't give you second thought, or even a first one, vixen. We don't spend all day counting the "sinners" we see.

You're right. I should have stayed above the fray.

Bronco Vixen
03-21-2011, 12:37 PM
This is typical. Any thread about a Mormon brings out all the bigoted turds and turns into a "let's rip on Mormonism" thread. And Dom, you aren't helping.

I love the "church eyes" comment too. The imagined judgements an insecure woman projects onto others. They probably didn't give you second thought, or even a first one, vixen. We don't spend all day counting the "sinners" we see.

You are exactly right Kaylore, my "church eyes" comment was out of line. I was reacting to a very unpleasant group in our section who spent the entire night hurling racial slurs at top volume despite our repeated requests that they stop - as we had taken several of our little brothers and sisters to the game - who shall we say are not of similar complexion. The "discussion" then devolved into statements like "homogeny works, just look at how well things run in Utah." Whatever that means. I only wish I could have blamed it on them being "over served." In any event, completely unfair to judge an entire group based on a few "bad seeds."

I will say, however, that I believe the degree of religious self-righteousness & sanctimoniousness is strongly correlated with the degrees of one's anger, bitterness, judgement, and irrationality. But that's true across religions and beliefs.

DomCasual
03-21-2011, 01:23 PM
You are exactly right Kaylore, my "church eyes" comment was out of line. I was reacting to a very unpleasant group in our section who spent the entire night hurling racial slurs at top volume despite our repeated requests that they stop - as we had taken several of our little brothers and sisters to the game - who shall we say are not of similar complexion. The "discussion" then devolved into statements like "homogeny works, just look at how well things run in Utah." Whatever that means. I only wish I could have blamed it on them being "over served." In any event, completely unfair to judge an entire group based on a few "bad seeds."

I will say, however, that I believe the degree of religious self-righteousness & sanctimoniousness is strongly correlated with the degrees of one's anger, bitterness, judgement, and irrationality. But that's true across religions and beliefs.

I will tell you from experience that this would be completely outside of ordinary. I would be appalled (and outspoken) if I was sitting around people acting like that.

When it comes to racial issues, the worst most Mormons can be accused of is well-intentioned ignorance. Utah IS mostly white and Hispanic. I've seen three types of Mormons, when it comes to how they react around black people. The first, and most common (IMO), are those who don' act any different when they're talking to someone who doesn't look exactly like them. The second group are those who freeze up, because they're fearful of unintentionally saying something stupid and offensive (that group comes across as standoffish, which I believe is mostly a misnomer - it's like a shy kid that everyone assumes is full of himself). The third group is the bull-in-a-china-shop group. They're going to be friendly, consequences be damned.

I used to work with a black guy who became LDS in Atlanta in the 80's (when he was in his late teens), and was called on a mission to Salt Lake City (there are several full-time missions in Salt Lake City, if you can believe it). He said he was serving in a small town in eastern Utah - a rural town that would be fairly homogeneous in any state, let alone Utah. During church one Sunday, he noticed an older lady that kept glancing over her shoulder, smiling at him. After Church, she approached him and said, "Can I pay you a compliment? You people have the most beautiful teeth!"

He was a good guy. He saw her intentions at kindness, and looked past the shocking ignorance/naivety of her comment.

Anyway, I would encourage you (and anyone else reading this) not to judge Mormons by the stupidity of what sounds like a bunch of inbreds, emboldened by the presence of their buddies. I promise you that not only is it not the norm, it's an almost-unheard-of variation from it. You may not believe it, but I would bet your future life's experiences with Mormons - whatever they may be - will prove it out.

DomCasual
03-21-2011, 01:37 PM
So, what do you all think about BYU's rematch with Florida



Anyone....



Silence.....



Well, It was worth a try.

I think they're going to lose, but I can hope.

The problem with BYU, post-Brandon Davies, is that they live and die on something they largely can't control - how hot their shooters are on a given night. If they come out cold, they have almost no low post presence to sustain them until they can get on a run. If they come out hot like they have in a few of their bigger games this season, they can and will win. If they come out cold, they end up with one bad possession after another, and Florida will use their balance to pull away.

sgbfan
03-21-2011, 06:13 PM
I think they're going to lose, but I can hope.

The problem with BYU, post-Brandon Davies, is that they live and die on something they largely can't control - how hot their shooters are on a given night. If they come out cold, they have almost no low post presence to sustain them until they can get on a run. If they come out hot like they have in a few of their bigger games this season, they can and will win. If they come out cold, they end up with one bad possession after another, and Florida will use their balance to pull away.

Sweet actual basketball talk. I am worried about Florida's height, but I was just as worried about Gonzaga's height. I think the game will be a toss up. I haven't seen Florida since the game last year, so I don't know how hard they will be to guard.

Orange4Life
03-21-2011, 07:10 PM
Dom are Mormons and Later Day Saints the same religion?

For the most part yes. There might be a break off group here or there that might call themselves one of these but 99% of the time they are the same.

Orange4Life
03-21-2011, 07:15 PM
You are exactly right Kaylore, my "church eyes" comment was out of line. I was reacting to a very unpleasant group in our section who spent the entire night hurling racial slurs at top volume despite our repeated requests that they stop - as we had taken several of our little brothers and sisters to the game - who shall we say are not of similar complexion. The "discussion" then devolved into statements like "homogeny works, just look at how well things run in Utah." Whatever that means. I only wish I could have blamed it on them being "over served." In any event, completely unfair to judge an entire group based on a few "bad seeds."

I will say, however, that I believe the degree of religious self-righteousness & sanctimoniousness is strongly correlated with the degrees of one's anger, bitterness, judgement, and irrationality. But that's true across religions and beliefs.

Not cool. I don't know who these people are but this is not right. I'm a big BYU fan, have season tickets to football and I can say a lot of BYU fans drive me nuts with some of their comments but I've never heard them say racial slurs. If they were, they are total idiots and not reflective of Mormons as a whole. That is completely out of line.

oubronco
03-21-2011, 07:50 PM
How does a thread about a good basketball player get into a religious bitchfest? I guess it shouldn't surprise me as it seems every thread ends this way

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 07:51 PM
Jimmer ftw!

Karenin
03-22-2011, 05:35 AM
I was reacting to a very unpleasant group in our section who spent the entire night hurling racial slurs at top volume despite our repeated requests that they stop

I would say I was sitting next to the same group... except there was probably a lot more than one group of BYU fans acting like this.

gunns
03-22-2011, 06:46 AM
Whew! Some people playing the Ku Klux Klan card, judging all by the actions of a few. Being a Ute fan I do know that BYU fans that show up to games can be some of the worst as far as over extending their rudeness. BYU fans are not all Mormons. Good Mormons are some of the best people on earth and don't deserve to be judged because of a bunch of neanderthals, which can be found in almost any group of fans.

DomCasual
03-22-2011, 07:01 AM
I would say I was sitting next to the same group... except there was probably a lot more than one group of BYU fans acting like this.

I would say you're full of crap. Here's one of your gems from an earlier thread:


shut the **** up you dumb mormon piece of ****. go ****ing clean your stupid ****ing magic underwear or something.

No offense - really! - but you're mostly worthless.

Irish Stout
03-22-2011, 12:05 PM
Whew! Some people playing the Ku Klux Klan card, judging all by the actions of a few. Being a Ute fan I do know that BYU fans that show up to games can be some of the worst as far as over extending their rudeness. BYU fans are not all Mormons. Good Mormons are some of the best people on earth and don't deserve to be judged because of a bunch of neanderthals, which can be found in almost any group of fans.

BYU fans can be flat out awful. But then again, so can fans of any team.

Mormons as a group, like Jews, Catholics, Muslims, etc..., can have their rotten apples, though most are pretty decent people.

Bronco Vixen
03-22-2011, 01:53 PM
I will tell you from experience that this would be completely outside of ordinary. I would be appalled (and outspoken) if I was sitting around people acting like that.

When it comes to racial issues, the worst most Mormons can be accused of is well-intentioned ignorance. Utah IS mostly white and Hispanic. I've seen three types of Mormons, when it comes to how they react around black people. The first, and most common (IMO), are those who don' act any different when they're talking to someone who doesn't look exactly like them. The second group are those who freeze up, because they're fearful of unintentionally saying something stupid and offensive (that group comes across as standoffish, which I believe is mostly a misnomer - it's like a shy kid that everyone assumes is full of himself). The third group is the bull-in-a-china-shop group. They're going to be friendly, consequences be damned.

I used to work with a black guy who became LDS in Atlanta in the 80's (when he was in his late teens), and was called on a mission to Salt Lake City (there are several full-time missions in Salt Lake City, if you can believe it). He said he was serving in a small town in eastern Utah - a rural town that would be fairly homogeneous in any state, let alone Utah. During church one Sunday, he noticed an older lady that kept glancing over her shoulder, smiling at him. After Church, she approached him and said, "Can I pay you a compliment? You people have the most beautiful teeth!"

He was a good guy. He saw her intentions at kindness, and looked past the shocking ignorance/naivety of her comment.

Anyway, I would encourage you (and anyone else reading this) not to judge Mormons by the stupidity of what sounds like a bunch of inbreds, emboldened by the presence of their buddies. I promise you that not only is it not the norm, it's an almost-unheard-of variation from it. You may not believe it, but I would bet your future life's experiences with Mormons - whatever they may be - will prove it out.

This is a great post Dom! Thank you.

Bronco Vixen
03-22-2011, 01:54 PM
Again, I take responsibility for being the one who got this discussion off track and I’m not happy or proud of it.

As I said, I was reacting after a very frustrating night of being exposed to a few distasteful turds as well as significantly increased looks of what we’ll euphemistically refer to as “uncertainty” instead of “judgment.” I don’t consider that to be born out of any “insecurity” I may purportedly have, but a notably different reaction than we typically receive – say for example at a nugget game - to our admittedly curious multiracial crew that includes my own albino child.

I never should have included any reference to religion. I again was reacting to an emotionally draining and disappointing night and as I often do, by attempting to replace a negative emotional state with humor – and as is true with everyone, sometimes I miss.

I think I was also reacting to the insinuation that group of people who happen to define themselves as a certain religion are somehow “better” than others. Of course, there are assholes across every group of people – religious, non-religious, tall, short, etc. as there are good people in all groups. We are all adults and I think understand that a few instances do not a representative sample make. We all slip now and then.

OK, lets’ get back on track. Congratulations to the POY!

OABB
03-22-2011, 07:43 PM
I don't even know you vixen, but I KNOW you aren't insecure. Also you are hysterical and You happen to crack me up consistently.

My only problem with you is that you are of an inferior gender, otherwise we are cool.

Way to "man" up, though.

I didn't think you needed to apologize because your history here has been as offnsive a Mormon stand up comedian at the tabernacle.

Now if skunk had made that comment I'd understand the criticism.



LEAVE VIXEN ALONE! ( Chris crocker tear)

OABB
03-22-2011, 08:43 PM
Also, did anyone notice a salamander was sendin in the plays?


I had to kaylore! Sorry.

Kaylore
03-22-2011, 10:07 PM
Also, did anyone notice a salamander was sendin in the plays?


I had to kaylore! Sorry.

:thumbsup:

DomCasual
03-22-2011, 10:27 PM
For the record, the only ridiculous thing about this tread was Karenin jumping in, and acting like he/she/it had a similar experience as Vixen on Saturday night. Considering he/she/it goes out of his/her/its way to disparage Mormons at every turn, I find it hard to believe he isn't making the experience up.

Like I have said before, while I don't mean to offend Karenin - that's the LAST thing I want to do - I have to admit that I find him/her/it utterly and completely worthless. I hope you don't find that offensive, Karenin. I think you're better than, say, the malaria virus. And I wouldn't go so far as to imply that you're more worthless than, say, Hitler. Do I think the world would be a better place without you? Of course I do. But Hitler? I would think not.

oubronco
03-23-2011, 07:20 AM
http://hilobrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/joker-clap.gif

That One Guy
03-23-2011, 07:29 AM
There's an article on Yahoo today about what the seeds would look like if the Sweet 16 were reseeded. The BYU one was:

5. BYU (d. Wofford (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/teams/wbi/), 74-66; d. Gonzaga (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/teams/gaj/), 89-67) -- Keep an eye on this Jimmer Fredette kid. He flies under the radar, but I like his game.

I don't really follow basketball unless I have an interest in the particular game but if he's still flying under your radar, your radar got unplugged. Heck, on his 50 point night, I think we all saw as much of him as whatever game we thought we tuned in to watch.

Oh, the link: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/The-Dagger-reseeds-the-Sweet-16-Ohio-State-stil?urn=ncaab-wp934

DomCasual
03-23-2011, 09:36 AM
There's an article on Yahoo today about what the seeds would look like if the Sweet 16 were reseeded. The BYU one was:

5. BYU (d. Wofford (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/teams/wbi/), 74-66; d. Gonzaga (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/teams/gaj/), 89-67) -- Keep an eye on this Jimmer Fredette kid. He flies under the radar, but I like his game.

I don't really follow basketball unless I have an interest in the particular game but if he's still flying under your radar, your radar got unplugged. Heck, on his 50 point night, I think we all saw as much of him as whatever game we thought we tuned in to watch.

Oh, the link: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/The-Dagger-reseeds-the-Sweet-16-Ohio-State-stil?urn=ncaab-wp934

I'm guessing he's being glib. I hope so, at least.

worm
03-23-2011, 10:36 AM
With BYU and fans integrating into the Chocolate City this week, I would imagine based on the comments in this thread that Nola would melt down and we would have apocalyptic events occur (well...more than usual at least).

Funny thing though....Bourbon is just as packed. There are just as many dumbasses carrying around big ass beer cups at 10am (must all be Fla fans). Fights, rapes and murders are all at normal levels. Eerily similar to the experience the Utes appeared to have in '09 during the Sugar Bowl.

All these Mormans appear to be doing just fine with the indigenous species. Maybe the bad Mormons don't travel?

Course one thing I am sick of hearing is how Jimmer is so much like the Pistol. Literally have heard that comment 1000 times since just Sunday.

OABB
03-23-2011, 10:40 AM
Seriously though, why are Mormons so ****ing nice?

That's my bigotry against them. It's got to be a plan for world domination or something.

"When is the invasion again, I forgot."
28278

Kaylore
03-23-2011, 10:41 AM
I think Florida will make for a really fun game Thursday. Looking forward to it.

gunns
03-23-2011, 01:14 PM
Also, did anyone notice a salamander was sendin in the plays?


I had to kaylore! Sorry.


LOL That was good!

DomCasual
03-23-2011, 01:19 PM
LOL That was good!

Yeah, that was pretty good. Intelligent Mormon humor is perfectly acceptable. :)

DomCasual
03-23-2011, 01:28 PM
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DomCasual
03-24-2011, 02:29 PM
Bump. T minus three hours.

Rise and shout, the Cougars are out!

Drunk Monkey
03-24-2011, 03:08 PM
I really need BYU in the finals to salvage something from my office pool. Unleash the storming Mormon!!!

Doggcow
03-24-2011, 03:29 PM
Klay Thompson is better than Jimmer.

DomCasual
03-24-2011, 03:38 PM
Klay Thompson is better than Jimmer.

I heard your mom was better than Jimmer.

Doggcow
03-24-2011, 03:55 PM
I heard your mom was better than Jimmer.

Klay plays Defense, has a higher 3pt %, played stronger competition, is more athletic, and is 4 inches taller.

Klay will be better in the association for sure.