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montrose
01-26-2011, 04:54 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
To those asking where Texans A+M LB Von Miller will go in the NFL draft, the early signs are, Top 5 pick.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Todd McShay on Von Miller: "He's been one of the, if not the, best player (in Mobile) this week."

TheAudible Cecil Lammey
@AdamSchefter I'm at the #seniorbowl and some here think #broncos could be interested at 2 overall - did struggle in RB v LB drills today

Bigdawg26
01-26-2011, 04:57 PM
Hell nah unless we trade down.

PRBronco
01-26-2011, 04:59 PM
Uggh. Guys that shoot up draft boards AFTER the playing is done ><

lostknight
01-26-2011, 05:02 PM
I like Miller a lot, especially if we could trade down a bit, generate a extra pick or two and pick him up. Remember that for as much bitching as we do about linemen, it was a LB going down - Doom, that dooomed our season.

PRBronco
01-26-2011, 05:04 PM
I like Miller a lot, especially if we could trade down a bit, generate a extra pick or two and pick him up. Remember that for as much b****ing as we do about linemen, it was a LB going down - Doom, that dooomed our season.

Bah. Doom's a linebacker in name only.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-26-2011, 05:05 PM
If we take Von Miller at #2 I'm gonna scream like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C1_NCwtRoE

schaaf
01-26-2011, 05:05 PM
i'd be down.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
01-26-2011, 05:07 PM
Just the thought of taking a 235 OLB #2 overall makes me scream like that anyway....

footstepsfrom#27
01-26-2011, 05:09 PM
He's 232 pounds, definately not a 3-4 guy and he's a Will in the 43, where we can already put DJ Williams as a similar type player but bigger. No way he's the target at #2 and just because he's besting people in the Senior Bowl doesn't mean he's going to travel that high IMO. For one thing, most of the top picks this year are juniors and not at the Senior Bowl. If we pass up Peterson or a chance at a big physical inside DT that would totally suck.

baja
01-26-2011, 05:20 PM
IMO replacing al wilson has been priority 1 since he retired.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Hes a great player...i dunno about number 2, but eh...who knows

TheReverend
01-26-2011, 05:36 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
To those asking where Texans A+M LB Von Miller will go in the NFL draft, the early signs are, Top 5 pick.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Todd McShay on Von Miller: "He's been one of the, if not the, best player (in Mobile) this week."

TheAudible Cecil Lammey
@AdamSchefter I'm at the #seniorbowl and some here think #broncos could be interested at 2 overall - did struggle in RB v LB drills today

I would become so sick, so fast.

TheReverend
01-26-2011, 05:37 PM
Bah. Doom's a linebacker in name only.

...so is this guy?

elsid13
01-26-2011, 05:38 PM
Von Miller isn't worth the #2 pick in the draft. It either Peterson or Fairley at this point. If Peterson runs in the 4.3 he's the guy, and we swing around and pick up Austin and Allen Bailey in the second.

Ratboy
01-26-2011, 06:00 PM
Maybe if he was a MLB.

cutthemdown
01-26-2011, 06:20 PM
Uggh. Guys that shoot up draft boards AFTER the playing is done ><

well in defense of the kid he had a ton of sacks and went back for sr to polish his all around game. No doubt about it hes a top 15 pick. Not sure a 235 pound backer is what broncos need though. He flys around though and is chiseled.

TheReverend
01-26-2011, 06:22 PM
well in defense of the kid he had a ton of sacks and went back for sr to polish his all around game. No doubt about it hes a top 15 pick. Not sure a 235 pound backer is what broncos need though. He flys around though and is chiseled.

Would've been nice if he used some of that extra year gaining some weight and strength, considering that's really what his game needed/still needs.

cutthemdown
01-26-2011, 06:32 PM
Would've been nice if he used some of that extra year gaining some weight and strength, considering that's really what his game needed/still needs.

I read an article that said he did get stronger though. He is just so athletic and lean not sure he will ever be more then his 240. He can play the weakside or outside in a 3-4 so I think he does go early.

I don't think he would solve our problems though. We need either a 4-3 middle linebacker, or bigger 3-4 inside backers.

Caveat Lector
01-26-2011, 06:56 PM
Sounds to me like another Ernie Sims. That didn't turn out so good...

epicSocialism4tw
01-26-2011, 07:02 PM
Hes a great player...i dunno about number 2, but eh...who knows

He isnt just a flash-in-the-pan player like many here are suggesting. He was a big reason why Texas A&M finished the season in the top 25.

He can deliver a mean hit, and he's pretty fast.

Here's a cool draft video I just found that covers his good and bad plays against UT. All draft videos should be like this and not just hype hilight videos.
<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lG1bydpTzxg" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

HILife
01-26-2011, 07:18 PM
If we take Von Miller at #2 I'm gonna scream like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C1_NCwtRoE

I liked Chris Tucker in that movie.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/DK8ednS0skQ" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

Austin Bronco Fan
01-26-2011, 07:24 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter


TheAudible Cecil Lammey
@AdamSchefter I'm at the #seniorbowl and some here think #broncos could be interested at 2 overall - did struggle in RB v LB drills today

This throws up a red flag; especially considering we suck against the run.

Although I don't mind the press and everyone else thinking we'll go for him @ #2 ;)

Rohirrim
01-26-2011, 07:26 PM
barf

That One Guy
01-26-2011, 07:31 PM
Can anyone think of the Bowl/workout studs that have actually been a diamond in the rough waiting to be discovered that succeeded? MAYBE Vernon Davis because I don't think I remember hearing him blow up until the end. Chris Johnson didn't explode until the combine, I guess, so maybe him... but he still went lower 1st round. I haven't heard almost anything about Sed Ellis since he was wowing everyone a few years back in workouts.

Mostly this time of the year seems to produce the Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, and Vernon Gholston hype machines. I say no thanks to them.

strafen
01-26-2011, 07:31 PM
Two things.
We need impact players upfront.
We don't need a LB.

I think it'll be a big mistake to grab that guy with our first pick. Hell no!

schaaf
01-26-2011, 07:37 PM
Honestly, I would rather take Greg Jones in the second than this guy in the first

Austin Bronco Fan
01-26-2011, 07:40 PM
Can anyone think of the Bowl/workout studs that have actually been a diamond in the rough waiting to be discovered that succeeded? MAYBE Vernon Davis because I don't think I remember hearing him blow up until the end. Chris Johnson didn't explode until the combine, I guess, so maybe him... but he still went lower 1st round. I haven't heard almost anything about Sed Ellis since he was wowing everyone a few years back in workouts.

Mostly this time of the year seems to produce the Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, and Vernon Gholston hype machines. I say no thanks to them.

Exactly! Looking at the whole body of work is much better IMO. You get the real day-to-day player then. The combine is almost worthless because everyone there is prepping for the dog and pony show.

As for the Senior Bowl, you need to go into that game with players already in mind; players that you noticed in other games and game film. Nearly any player can wow you for a single game. I want the guy that wow's you in every game he's played in.

gyldenlove
01-26-2011, 07:49 PM
Can anyone think of the Bowl/workout studs that have actually been a diamond in the rough waiting to be discovered that succeeded? MAYBE Vernon Davis because I don't think I remember hearing him blow up until the end. Chris Johnson didn't explode until the combine, I guess, so maybe him... but he still went lower 1st round. I haven't heard almost anything about Sed Ellis since he was wowing everyone a few years back in workouts.

Mostly this time of the year seems to produce the Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, and Vernon Gholston hype machines. I say no thanks to them.

Clay Matthews certainly and to some extend Brian Cushing. Eddie Royal should also be mentioned.

gyldenlove
01-26-2011, 07:50 PM
I think in the right 4-3 he could be a beast at SLB.

montrose
01-26-2011, 07:53 PM
Robert Ayers also shot up the draft boards after the Senior Bowl - although the jury's still out if he can play: excited to see him in a 4-3.

epicSocialism4tw
01-26-2011, 07:56 PM
Exactly! Looking at the whole body of work is much better IMO. You get the real day-to-day player then. The combine is almost worthless because everyone there is prepping for the dog and pony show.

As for the Senior Bowl, you need to go into that game with players already in mind; players that you noticed in other games and game film. Nearly any player can wow you for a single game. I want the guy that wow's you in every game he's played in.

I'm not advocating the drafting of Miller, because I like a few other players more.

However, Miller's body of work is pretty dang good. A&M's ascendancy coincided with Miller's growth.

Miller's stats:
2009 17 sacks 43 tackles
2010 11 sacks 68 tackles

He also played alot of minutes in his freshman and sophomore seasons. This is a player who has produced for 4 years. He's not a senior bowl wonder. Just because people havent heard as much hype about him doesnt mean anything.

Miller won the Butkus award last season as the best LB In the nation.

What this looks like to me is a player whose production matches what people have said about him in the senior bowl. Theyre saying he's unblockable at the POA. The stats bear it out. His best games were against Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska. He's a big game player.

I like Bowers much better, but Miller is no slouch. Dude can ball. He clearly transcends his peers in many ways.

montrose
01-26-2011, 08:03 PM
Keep in mind who will be making this pick:

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/aurorasentinel.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/9/de/0d4/9de0d420-1a18-11e0-876b-001cc4c03286-revisions/4d2699ddc9664.image.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
01-26-2011, 08:07 PM
Robert Ayers also shot up the draft boards after the Senior Bowl - although the jury's still out if he can play: excited to see him in a 4-3.

Miller isnt just a product of the senior bowl.

Look at the guy's production at A&M.

This is just a case of him flying under the radar up to this point. If he has filled out, I could certainly see him being a top 5 pick.

broncosteven
01-26-2011, 08:25 PM
They were talking him up today on the NFL coverage.

We need to build from Trenches out. It looks like we are going back to a 4-3 Greg Robinson type finesse D and his D was best with guys like Neil Smith and Keith Traylor.

We will need a DL that can get pressure with 4 DL if we go back to 4-3, Ayers has shown the ablity to push the pocket but he can't get to the QB so having a monster DT that would command a double team and be stout against the run would help.

primetime714
01-26-2011, 08:32 PM
The Broncos know they can't mess this pick up. Von Miller will not be the choice at #2. Its either Fairley, Bowers, or Peterson.

Austin Bronco Fan
01-26-2011, 08:37 PM
I'm not advocating the drafting of Miller, because I like a few other players more.

However, Miller's body of work is pretty dang good. A&M's ascendancy coincided with Miller's growth.

Miller's stats:
2009 17 sacks 43 tackles
2010 11 sacks 68 tackles

He also played alot of minutes in his freshman and sophomore seasons. This is a player who has produced for 4 years. He's not a senior bowl wonder. Just because people havent heard as much hype about him doesnt mean anything.

Miller won the Butkus award last season as the best LB In the nation.

What this looks like to me is a player whose production matches what people have said about him in the senior bowl. Theyre saying he's unblockable at the POA. The stats bear it out. His best games were against Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska. He's a big game player.

I like Bowers much better, but Miller is no slouch. Dude can ball. He clearly transcends his peers in many ways.

I wouldn't count the UT game this season. They sucked :flush:

I'm not saying Miller is just a product of the Senior Bowl. Just saying the whole body needs to be taken into account as well. I'm always leery of players that suddenly "rocket up the ranks". Too many times it's because they had a "strong combine" or something like that. Looking at Miller's seasons, they look solid. Not sure if it's #2 overall solid, but they look good.

I'm sure part of the reason he's more unknown is he's an Aggie. UT always gets more attention.

Still bothers me that he had problems in the RB/LB drills. We really need players that can stop the run consistently. Would be interesting to see if there are any games against high rated RB's and how he played in those.

Steve Sewell
01-26-2011, 08:41 PM
Haha Ayers can get to the QB. He needs to stay injury-free and get Doom back on the other side rushing the passer. I'm calling it right now...Ayers is gonna be a big player on Denver's defense going forward if he can stay healthy.

epicSocialism4tw
01-26-2011, 08:41 PM
I wouldn't count the UT game this season. They sucked :flush:

I'm not saying Miller is just a product of the Senior Bowl. Just saying the whole body needs to be taken into account as well. I'm always leery of players that suddenly "rocket up the ranks". Too many times it's because they had a "strong combine" or something like that. Looking at Miller's seasons, they look solid. Not sure if it's #2 overall solid, but they look good.

I'm sure part of the reason he's more unknown is he's an Aggie. UT always gets more attention.

Still bothers me that he had problems in the RB/LB drills. We really need players that can stop the run consistently. Would be interesting to see if there are any games against high rated RB's and how he played in those.

Miller will probably have a good combine as well.

To me he looks like a pure pass rusher. Thats not what the Broncos need because Dumervil is here. The Broncos need interior players who can clog gaps, stop the run, and get into the backfield as well. Da'Quan Bowers is that. No need to go with Miller if you can snag Bowers.

epicSocialism4tw
01-26-2011, 08:43 PM
Haha Ayers can get to the QB. He needs to stay injury-free and get Doom back on the other side rushing the passer. I'm calling it right now...Ayers is gonna be a big player on Denver's defense going forward if he can stay healthy.

If the Broncos can add interior players who can make a difference, Ayers could have a break-out year. One v. one, he can hold the edge against most tackles in the league. Ayers has some serious power and leverage.

strafen
01-26-2011, 08:58 PM
the broncos know they can't mess this pick up. Von miller will not be the choice at #2. Its either fairley, bowers, or peterson.+1

baja
01-26-2011, 09:08 PM
The Broncos know they can't mess this pick up. Von Miller will not be the choice at #2. Its either Fairley, Bowers, or Peterson.

What if they are all gone before we pick?

ZONA
01-26-2011, 09:22 PM
He isnt just a flash-in-the-pan player like many here are suggesting. He was a big reason why Texas A&M finished the season in the top 25.

He can deliver a mean hit, and he's pretty fast.

Here's a cool draft video I just found that covers his good and bad plays against UT. All draft videos should be like this and not just hype hilight videos.
<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lG1bydpTzxg" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

Not sure what you're looking at in that video but half the time he just rushed wide from the edge, way past where the QB would be and was out of the play. It takes a combination of quickness (the first few steps) to get even with the tackle, and then it's about technique and power to turn inside where a QB will be on a 5 step drop. Half the time he was only getting past the tackle 10 yards beyond the LOS and he's out of the play.

That One Guy
01-26-2011, 09:24 PM
What if they are all gone before we pick?

Hopefully you forgot one of these: :clown:


:kiddingme
3(number of players on his list)>1(number of teams picking in front of us)

footstepsfrom#27
01-26-2011, 09:25 PM
Miller isnt just a product of the senior bowl.

Look at the guy's production at A&M.

This is just a case of him flying under the radar up to this point. If he has filled out, I could certainly see him being a top 5 pick.
They list him at 232 pounds. Imagine him lined up behind 248 pound Elvis Dumervil. We'd get run on all day I'm afraid. I've not watched Miller but I would worry we'd be putting ourselves deeper into a commitment to a small defensive front. If we go linebacker Akeem Ayers is 255 and may play as big as 270 with speed to range sideline to sideline, rush the passer and cover backs and recievers. I like the size element here, and definitely if Miller costs anywhere near a top 5 pick. I keep thinking John Mobley with him due to his size.

epicSocialism4tw
01-26-2011, 09:31 PM
Not sure what you're looking at in that video but half the time he just rushed wide from the edge, way past where the QB would be and was out of the play. It takes a combination of quickness (the first few steps) to get even with the tackle, and then it's about technique and power to turn inside where a QB will be on a 5 step drop. Half the time he was only getting past the tackle 10 yards beyond the LOS and he's out of the play.

Yeah...thats a video that accounts for several of his plays, good or bad. Thats why I gave the preface that I liked that kind of video. It shows you what the player is really about. Its not like those hype-driven highlight videos that you see. This one was more realistic.

If you could see videos like that about all of these draft kids, then you'd see holes in all of their games (except for maybe Bradford and Suh last year).

epicSocialism4tw
01-26-2011, 09:33 PM
They list him at 232 pounds. Imagine him lined up behind 248 pound Elvis Dumervil. We'd get run on all day I'm afraid. I've not watched Miller but I would worry we'd be putting ourselves deeper into a commitment to a small defensive front. If we go linebacker Akeem Ayers is 255 and may play as big as 270 with speed to range sideline to sideline, rush the passer and cover backs and recievers. I like the size element here, and definitely if Miller costs anywhere near a top 5 pick. I keep thinking John Mobley with him due to his size.

To me, Miller is a pass rusher and pass defender. He's not a first and second down player off the bat.

We need more than a passing down player. We need a guy who dominates in the run game AND gets in the backfield on passing downs. Bowers, Fairley, and Dareus are all that type of player.

footstepsfrom#27
01-26-2011, 09:43 PM
To me, Miller is a pass rusher and pass defender. He's not a first and second down player off the bat.

We need more than a passing down player. We need a guy who dominates in the run game AND gets in the backfield on passing downs. Bowers, Fairley, and Dareus are all that type of player.
Trouble seeing Bower and Doom on the field at the same time not to mention Ayers, so I'd prefer Dareus. I want to see where guys like Taylor and Paea wind up going. We need interior DT talent or an elite player like Peterson. I don't want to settle for anything less than the most talented player in the draft unless he's an almost sure fire DT prospect.

epicSocialism4tw
01-26-2011, 09:47 PM
Trouble seeing Bower and Doom on the field at the same time not to mention Ayers, so I'd prefer Dareus. I want to see where guys like Taylor and Paea wind up going. We need interior DT talent or an elite player like Peterson. I don't want to settle for anything less than the most talented player in the draft unless he's an almost sure fire DT prospect.

To me, Bowers looks like the most talented player in the draft. But there's a premium on DT's right now.

Requiem
01-26-2011, 11:09 PM
Miller isn't worth it for us at #2, but there are a lot of teams who could draft him in the top ten. Wright had him going #3 to Buffalo before the Senior Bowl even started. He is easily a top fifteen player, especially for a 3-4 team looking for an OLB to rush the passer.

Dedhed
01-26-2011, 11:18 PM
Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M - Scouting Report
Height: 6-2. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2011): 1-2.
10/8/10: Miller has been battling an injured ankle all season and that's why he hasn't lived up to his preseason billing. However, despite not playing very well, we know he's hurt and this shows how tough he is. Playing through pain is something you will have to do in the NFL and Miller isn't a pansy - we know this now. Once he's healthy, then we can start to fairly evaluate his game. As a 4-3 outside linebacker, Miller projects as a strongside linebacker who can also rush the quarterback. He's a great fit for hybrid schemes.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-26-2011, 11:25 PM
I wouldn't count the UT game this season. They sucked :flush:

I'm not saying Miller is just a product of the Senior Bowl. Just saying the whole body needs to be taken into account as well. I'm always leery of players that suddenly "rocket up the ranks". Too many times it's because they had a "strong combine" or something like that. Looking at Miller's seasons, they look solid. Not sure if it's #2 overall solid, but they look good.

I'm sure part of the reason he's more unknown is he's an Aggie. UT always gets more attention.

Still bothers me that he had problems in the RB/LB drills. We really need players that can stop the run consistently. Would be interesting to see if there are any games against high rated RB's and how he played in those.

Im pretty sure Kipers had him in his top ten for a bit now.

Mr Chatterboodamn
01-27-2011, 12:03 AM
hahaha

cutthemdown
01-27-2011, 02:02 AM
Miller won't be considered at the 2 hole IMO. Broncos will go with Peterson before they went small linebacker IMO.

Myself I think they should take one of the dlineman. Fairley, Dareus, Bowers. I admit though I haven't watched enough of them to say which one I like best, but Fairley I guess would be my favorite.

The players I really like in the draft are the safety from UCLA Raheem Moore (2-3rd round), and Kyle Rudolph TE ND (prob late first to early 2nd), Stefen Wisnewski C penn state ( early 2nd rounder).

Broncoman13
01-27-2011, 04:22 AM
Paea could slide to us in the 2nd now. He is injured and may be more of a 3-4 DE type.

The Broncos looking at Miller probably means they are looking at trade down options as well. Miller came into the season on Several scouts watch list as he was a stud as a JR as well. He played up to the hype as well.

The Broncos spending time with Peterson isn't surprising. They will probably spend some time with Fairley, Bowers and Darreus as well.

footstepsfrom#27
01-27-2011, 05:08 AM
Paea could slide to us in the 2nd now. He is injured and may be more of a 3-4 DE type.
So were Willie Middlebrooks and George Foster. Do we really want to keep taking injured guys high in the draft? I'm waiting to hear how bad he is.

driver
01-27-2011, 05:37 AM
This kid will probably go somewhere between #8 to #15. He might even be worth that high a pick if you project him as mlb or sam in a 4-3 with some good dt's in front of him.
Our picks have to go to the dt types we've been too week on the line for to long.
IMO.

Ratboy
01-27-2011, 05:46 AM
So were Willie Middlebrooks and George Foster. Do we really want to keep taking injured guys high in the draft? I'm waiting to hear how bad he is.

I had high hopes for Willie Middlebrooks. He was solid when he wasn't hurt, which was only a few games.

I just googled to see what he's been up to. He is in the CFL and is hurt again, this time it's career ending (or could be).

Cornerback Willie Middlebrooks’ season, and perhaps his professional football career, is history.

“Willie’s career, at least this year, is over,” Toronto Argonaut head coach Jim Barker announced Friday after practice for this weekend’s season finale. Middlebrooks has an impingment of a nerve in the vertebrae of his neck and doctors have told him he could be seriously injured if he continues playing.

“It’s not worth risking; he’s one hit away,” said Barker.

The injury occurred during a tackle last week in a game against the Alouettes. Middlebrooks missed two games at the end of the 2008 season and six weeks last year with a similar injury. “But it’s degenerated. Whether his career is over,” said Barker, “is very much up in the air.”

broncogary
01-27-2011, 06:06 AM
Miller isn't worth it for us at #2, but there are a lot of teams who could draft him in the top ten. Wright had him going #3 to Buffalo before the Senior Bowl even started. He is easily a top fifteen player, especially for a 3-4 team looking for an OLB to rush the passer.

Look for the Texans to pick him at #11. They are switching to the 3-4 with Son of Bum as DC, and they really need a pass rusher.

Jesterhole
01-27-2011, 06:15 AM
Uggh. Guys that shoot up draft boards AFTER the playing is done ><

Agree. Hype kills all real evaluation in the NFL.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-27-2011, 07:07 AM
Two things.
We need impact players upfront.
We don't need a LB.

I think it'll be a big mistake to grab that guy with our first pick. Hell no!

Uh, we definitely need LB. Badly.

Just in case you're interested in not looking stupid for a change.

vancejohnson82
01-27-2011, 07:35 AM
Uh, we definitely need LB. Badly.

Just in case you're interested in not looking stupid for a change.

why talk about our current roster, when half the board doesnt understand it?

i dont think we get the value at LB until the 2nd round

Dedhed
01-27-2011, 07:45 AM
Uh, we definitely need LB. Badly.

I've been saying all along that I think our LBs are worse respectively than our DL. if we go 4-3, our LBs are like to be DJ, Haggan, and Hunter. That's almost as bad as DJ, Winborn, and Webster.

The center of our defense is attrocious from the MLBs to the safeties. The middle of our DL is merely poor.

ColoradoBuff
01-27-2011, 08:11 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
To those asking where Texans A+M LB Von Miller will go in the NFL draft, the early signs are, Top 5 pick.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Todd McShay on Von Miller: "He's been one of the, if not the, best player (in Mobile) this week."

TheAudible Cecil Lammey
@AdamSchefter I'm at the #seniorbowl and some here think #broncos could be interested at 2 overall - did struggle in RB v LB drills today

The guy is a helluva football player but unless we stay with the 3-4, I don't see him as a need for us.

TheChamp24
01-27-2011, 08:20 AM
Von Miller is NOT a MLB or really any LB in a 4-3.
He excels in rushing the passer, pretty much it. Okay maybe with stopping the run.
His best fit would be an OLB in a 3-4 though.

Austin Bronco Fan
01-27-2011, 08:50 AM
Im pretty sure Kipers had him in his top ten for a bit now.

Kiper had him going #8. I'd be hard pressed to see him going any higher though if he's more of a pass rusher. Some reports have him weak at run support, and he had problems with the RB's so far in the Senior Bowl drills and practices.

He may be good, but last thing we need is a LB who can't defend the run. Even if we go to the hybrid defense (that is the latest projection I've read) we'll want a strong MLB. Doesn't look like Miller is that player. And #2 sounds a bit high just for a SAM pass rusher specialist.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-27-2011, 08:54 AM
Gotta love Twitter. 3 page thread where even Schefter isn't quoting a Broncos source, just other people speculating.

rugbythug
01-27-2011, 08:59 AM
Von Miller is NOT a MLB or really any LB in a 4-3.
He excels in rushing the passer, pretty much it. Okay maybe with stopping the run.
His best fit would be an OLB in a 3-4 though.

Also great in coverage

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-27-2011, 09:01 AM
I've been saying all along that I think our LBs are worse respectively than our DL. if we go 4-3, our LBs are like to be DJ, Haggan, and Hunter. That's almost as bad as DJ, Winborn, and Webster.

The center of our defense is attrocious from the MLBs to the safeties. The middle of our DL is merely poor.

Thank god SOMEbody gets it.

schaaf
01-27-2011, 09:19 AM
If we're at all interested in Miller they'll move down a few spots to get him, there is no way they'll pick him at 2.

illbroncsfn
01-27-2011, 09:35 AM
I think Von Miller is an interesting NFL prospect who is adjustable to either scheme- but I feel he is a worthy trade down target, but would still rather see a stud DT/DE or MLB. Hopefully free agency will occur in the spring and we can get a better sense of where the Broncos are heading...

Dr. Broncenstein
01-27-2011, 09:37 AM
We can get either Fairley or Dareus. It is mathematically guaranteed. I will be really upset if we don't draft one of them. Of course that means there is no way in hell we draft either of them.

TheChamp24
01-27-2011, 09:43 AM
Also great in coverage

Based on what? He barely was asked to cover at A&M, they just wanted him to rush the passer.

Mountain Bronco
01-27-2011, 10:03 AM
Look at the Broncos D and I see a ton of holes on every level. The front 7 you have one impact player in Doom and the back 4 you have one impact player in Bailey (if he stays). Otherwise every position could use an upgrade/addition of an impact player.

I am not sure Miller fits the bill as an impact player in the pros with his size. Fairley does and Peterson does.

Hamrob
01-27-2011, 10:42 AM
I'm not a Peterson guy. But, I'd take Peterson over Miller at #2 in a heartbeat.

Up until the senior bowl...many mocks had Miller going in the 2nd round...more as a steady eddie LB....than a projected All-Pro.

oubronco
01-27-2011, 11:36 AM
Based on what? He barely was asked to cover at A&M, they just wanted him to rush the passer.

Senior Bowl Day Three Recap

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PRINTER FRIENDLY Live from the Senior Bowl Archives


When analyzing draft prospects, one of the most important things to remember is that "it only takes one." Tim Tebow was a second-round quarterback prospect, but it only took one team to take a shot on his upside, intangibles, and character in the first. Richard Quinn was a mid-round prospect, but it only took team to draft him the second.

Now, Josh McDaniels may have two of the most recent and memorable reaches (and a new job because of them), but other teams fall in love as well. Darrius Heyward-Bey, Tyson Alualu, and Tyson Jackson all were intriguing prospects who intrigued one team more than anyone thought possible. When it comes to Jake Locker (QB Washington), Noel Devine (RB West Virginia), and Nate Solder (OT Colorado) among others, they might not impress every team, but just remember: it only takes one.

Five Positives and Negatives From Senior Bowl Practices Day Three:

1) Bilal Powell (RB Lousiville) is generating some buzz among scouts, media, fans, and teammates. One person referred to him as, "a lot like Michael Turner." Powell's character was described as "More Christian than Tim Tebow." With that kind of athletic and character profile, he's going to rise up draft boards. On the field, Powell took more than one rushing attempt to the house and proved he can handle pass protection.

2) Austin Pettis (WR Boise State is a better all-around receiver than I've given him credit for. He is tough over the middle and has just enough speed to take short routes the distance. He is consistently making plays. Dwayne Harris (WR East Carolina), Titus Young (WR Boise State), and Leonard Hankerson (WR Miami) are all niche wide receivers but have proved this week that they have roles and can help a team. None of them is going to be your number one/X wide receiver, but expect some early pro impact from this group because they all have skills.

3) If you read/hear that Von Miller (OLB/DE Texas A&M) is a liability in coverage, you're getting bad info. Miller greatly improved his coverage skills this year and is showcasing them at the Senior Bowl. He's an every-down linebacker with nearly unlimited upside. He's a top-10 pick for sure, and some believe Miller could go in the top five -- as high as Denver at number two. Likely, he will go lower, but that is the type of week he is having.

4) Gabe Carimi (OT Wisconsin) is having a good week that few are talking about. He's still the same late-first/mid-second guy he's always been, but he's showing the ability to play left tackle as well as taking reps at guard. Derek Sherrod (OT Mississippi State) is who we thought he was. He's not distancing himself from the crowd, but he's clearly the top tackle. DeMarcus Love (OT Arkansas) is playing with a nastiness we didn't see a lot of on tape. He's re-inserting himself into the late-first/early-second conversation.

5) No tight end has blocked better at the second level/in space this week than Lance Kendricks (TE Wisconsin). He simply can't do it "in-line" (that is, block a lineman at the snap), but he's going to help an NFL running back to extra yards. Add that to his impressive pass catching ability, and Kendricks could make some noise in day two of the draft.

1) Allen Bailey (DE/DT Miami) is such a freak athletically that he is a perfect example of the aforementioned "it only takes one" philosophy. However, he just isn't the greatest football player. Bailey doesn't have the violent hands, the bull rush, or the edge rushing ability teams crave. He is a 5-technique and should be drafted right where Kansas City should have drafted Tyson Jackson--in the second round.

2) Mason Foster (LB Washington) and Lawrence Wilson (LB UConn) had tough morning sessions. In individual drills, neither could move as fast or efficiently as Bengals coaches wanted. Players come to Mobile to get coached up by pro staffs, but it's disconcerting when a player needs that much needling. Both showed up a little better in the teamwork portion of practice but grade out as reserves in the NFL.

3) Greg McElroy (QB Alabama) makes a lot of throws one doesn't expect. It's as if he lulls the crowd into low expectations just to exceed them. His biggest con is a lack of ideal arm strength combined with small hands. McElroy rears back and nearly shotputs the ball. Many times it results in an incompletion, but once in a while, it's a touchdown. The best part about McElroy is that he doesn't take stupid chances. He's proved he can make a roster this week, but he's also proved he'll never be a long-term starter in the NFL.

4) James Brewer (OL Indiana) has been beaten every way possible by just about every North defensive lineman. I've seen him bull-rushed into the passer, run around, crossed over inside, and confused at the second level. He's such a physical specimen and has a perfect frame, but he's not making an immediate impact and shouldn't go anywhere near the draft slot old teammate Rodger Saffold did.

5) Courtney Smith (WR South Alabama) was a great redemption story when he was asked to attend as an injury replacement. He's a local kid who has fans watching him in Mobile. After a great first day, he's fallen off the map and has plenty of red flags--character, academics, etc. Early talk was 5th/6th round upside guy. Now, it's not a lock that he'll be drafted.

Michael Schottey is an NFL Featured Columnist at BleacherReport.com and an Analyst at DraftTek.com. He will be covering the Senior Bowl practices all week in Mobile. Follow him on Twitter @Schottey





Maybe this is where they get it

oubronco
01-27-2011, 12:36 PM
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oubronco
01-27-2011, 12:52 PM
According to the San Francisco Chronicle, 49ers GM Trent Baalke "hovered" around Texas A&M OLB Von Miller at Wednesday's Senior Bowl practice.

Baalke had his eyes on Miller during pass rush drills, and the former Aggies' Joker end proceeded to blow past a left tackle one-on-one. According to the Chronicle, Miller has been "the playmaker of Senior Bowl week," and South coach Chan Gailey believes Miller would "fit in any (defensive) system." The 49ers draft seventh overall, and have an outside shot at getting him.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/26/SP491HEIT9.DTL)

That One Guy
01-27-2011, 01:39 PM
Senior Bowl Day Three Recap

1) Bilal Powell (RB Lousiville) is generating some buzz among scouts, media, fans, and teammates. One person referred to him as, "a lot like Michael Turner." Powell's character was described as "More Christian than Tim Tebow." With that kind of athletic and character profile, he's going to rise up draft boards. On the field, Powell took more than one rushing attempt to the house and proved he can handle pass protection.



He was awesome to watch this year. After the Louisville QB went down, he was the shoulders they put the extra weight on and he rarely disappointed. I would've never made the connection to Michael Turner but I can believe it. The difference is I think he's 6'+ if I recall correctly.

Dedhed
01-27-2011, 10:09 PM
We don't need a LB.
Um...what?

epicSocialism4tw
01-27-2011, 10:24 PM
He was awesome to watch this year. After the Louisville QB went down, he was the shoulders they put the extra weight on and he rarely disappointed. I would've never made the connection to Michael Turner but I can believe it. The difference is I think he's 6'+ if I recall correctly.

That kid looks like a first year contributor. I like what I have seen from him.

He plays with fire in his belly. He accelerates in a flash, hits the hole hard (the right hole), and has second-level moves. He has big play ability.

I would love to see the Broncos snag him. I think that he'll be a Buckhalter type player for a long time but he has a higher ceiling than that as well.

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epicSocialism4tw
01-27-2011, 10:40 PM
The Broncos will need to draft a RB.

Bilal Powell would be excellent, and I think that the following guys would be good as well for what the Broncos are going to do: DeMarco Murray, Kendall Hunter, and Jaquizz Rogers.

Requiem
01-27-2011, 10:53 PM
Touching Powell anywhere before the late rounds is a recipe for disaster.

Wright's thoughts on him. (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/RB/Bilal-Powell.php)

epicSocialism4tw
01-27-2011, 10:57 PM
Touching Powell anywhere before the late rounds is a recipe for disaster.

Wright's thoughts on him. (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/RB/Bilal-Powell.php)

Personally, I'd like to see the Broncos look at RB in round 3 and beyond. Powell would be one of the guys who I'd like to see them take.

The screen game should continue to be a staple of the offense, and Powell looks like a Buckhalter type. With as often as Buck gets hurt, having a young gun back there to take his snaps would be excellent, and good value for a later pick.

Requiem
01-27-2011, 11:07 PM
Personally, I'd like to see the Broncos look at RB in round 3 and beyond. Powell would be one of the guys who I'd like to see them take.

The screen game should continue to be a staple of the offense, and Powell looks like a Buckhalter type. With as often as Buck gets hurt, having a young gun back there to take his snaps would be excellent, and good value for a later pick.

Buckhalter and Powell aren't even close to being similar players. Buckhalter is deceptively quick and agile and can make some shifty moves on occasion. Powell is pretty much N/S, which isn't bad -- but he isn't that versatile of a player.

If we want a runner who is a better pass catcher than Powell and would make sense in the screen game, I'd offer these names as considerations past round three:

Taiwan Jones
Derek Locke
Dion Lewis

Jacquizz Rodgers, as you have already mentioned is probably the best receiver of them all. The most Dexter McCluster like guy in this draft. Incredible versatility.

Devine and Vereen are also very good pass catchers, but I expect them to be top three round picks.

I'm with you on getting a running back at some point in time, but Bilal -- probably not.

I'd much rather any of those aforementioned.

razorwire77
01-28-2011, 12:01 AM
If we draft a back, I hope it's Kendall Hunter, and that we get him because he dropped into the third round. At best kid would beat out Moreno, and worst case he is a solid piece in a rotation to spell Moreno.

lostknight
04-28-2011, 06:21 PM
I like Miller a lot, especially if we could trade down a bit, generate a extra pick or two and pick him up. Remember that for as much b****ing as we do about linemen, it was a LB going down - Doom, that dooomed our season.

Great call Montrose and Others.

Boobs McGee
04-28-2011, 06:32 PM
and by others you mean....you. Let the thread bumping begin I guess.

colonelbeef
04-28-2011, 06:57 PM
nice call montrose

Mogulseeker
04-28-2011, 07:00 PM
So we're moving Doom back to RDE for sure then? Where does that leave Ayers?

TonyR
04-28-2011, 07:43 PM
Interesting. A large majority were negative on Miller at #2 back in January.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 07:44 PM
Interesting. A large majority were negative on Miller at #2 back in January.

Most people here hadn't heard about him yet.

TonyR
04-28-2011, 07:59 PM
Most people here hadn't heard about him yet.

You were one of very few who made some positive comments.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 08:00 PM
You were one of very few who made some positive comments.

Yeah, I follow the Big 12 and that guy had wrecked the Sooners for two years straight. He was unstoppable.

Karenin
04-28-2011, 08:08 PM
The Broncos know they can't mess this pick up. Von Miller will not be the choice at #2. Its either Fairley, Bowers, or Peterson.

+1

Miller won't be considered at the 2 hole IMO. Broncos will go with Peterson before they went small linebacker IMO.

Myself I think they should take one of the dlineman. Fairley, Dareus, Bowers. I admit though I haven't watched enough of them to say which one I like best, but Fairley I guess would be my favorite.

This kid will probably go somewhere between #8 to #15. He might even be worth that high a pick if you project him as mlb or sam in a 4-3 with some good dt's in front of him.
Our picks have to go to the dt types we've been too week on the line for to long.
IMO.

Look for the Texans to pick him at #11. They are switching to the 3-4 with Son of Bum as DC, and they really need a pass rusher.

If we're at all interested in Miller they'll move down a few spots to get him, there is no way they'll pick him at 2.

Don't quit your day jobs.

Broncoman13
12-01-2011, 05:51 PM
I think most liked Von Miller as a prospect but not as much as some others b/c of position. I wonder if the Bills would have taken him if we went Peterson instead (leaving Dareus and Miller on the board). Gotta give Epic his due as well.

P.s. I don't find fault in anyone that didn't like an SLB at #2. It was risky and I didn't think it would happen myself... Great job by EFX, that pick could've really blown up in their face.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 05:58 PM
I think most liked Von Miller as a prospect but not as much as some others b/c of position. I wonder if the Bills would have taken him if we went Peterson instead (leaving Dareus and Miller on the board). Gotta give Epic his due as well.

P.s. I don't find fault in anyone that didn't like an SLB at #2. It was risky and I didn't think it would happen myself... Great job by EFX, that pick could've really blown up in their face.

I had misgivings solely because I wasn't sure he would fit a 4-3 scheme. I, like many, also really wanted a DT. But they were completely right to take him. No doubt about it now.

Broncoman13
12-01-2011, 06:18 PM
I had misgivings solely because I wasn't sure he would fit a 4-3 scheme. I, like many, also really wanted a DT. But they were completely right to take him. No doubt about it now.

Pretty much where I was at. I actually wanted Fairley more than anyone else. I liked Von Miller a lot (Little Sisters are A&M Grads and I grew up going to Aggie Bonfires) and had watched him a lot but didn't think the position was as much of a need as DT. And now here we are talking about him being DROY and a likely candidate to at least receive votes for DPOY! Outstanding!

gyldenlove
12-01-2011, 06:27 PM
I am going to give myself a pat on the back for saying he could be good in the right 4-3 system at SLB.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 06:47 PM
I am going to give myself a pat on the back for saying he could be good in the right 4-3 system at SLB.

I thought the same thing, but when I stopped to look at Fox's defenses historically I had to wonder. But Allen has pretty much been pure genius with how he's used Miller this year.

Gcver2ver3
12-01-2011, 07:26 PM
I am going to give myself a pat on the back for saying he could be good in the right 4-3 system at SLB.

i'm going to give myself a pat on the back for not posting on this thread at the time...

it's a bunch of well documented fail splattered all over it...

none of us should quit our day jobs...

Dedhed
12-01-2011, 07:52 PM
Precisely why I harp on taking BPA every chance I get.

cutthemdown
12-01-2011, 07:56 PM
Broncos did well let's have another. You get multiple dominant players on a unit, and now your role/avg players start making plays also.

Look how Goodman all the sudden looks like an all pro. Why? because Broncos getting more pressure he is coming up closer to his assignment and not giving 5 yrd cushions. He figures he won't have to run with the WR that long. Since str8 speed not his thing its really great for him.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 07:56 PM
Precisely why I harp on taking BPA every chance I get.

The problem with BPA is that you have to properly assess who is actually the best player available, and it seems like most the professional personnel people around the league fail at that more than they succeed. I certainly agree with the notion, but in the end you simply have to draft the players you like and hope you are right.

cutthemdown
12-01-2011, 07:57 PM
Precisely why I harp on taking BPA every chance I get.

Yep last yr it seemed like Green/Peterson/Miller/Dareus all worth looking at. Really I think all of those guys would have been great picks. All are playing pretty well although with Dareus his numbers aren't that great.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 07:57 PM
Broncos did well let's have another. You get multiple dominant players on a unit, and now your role/avg players start making plays also.

Look how Goodman all the sudden looks like an all pro. Why? because Broncos getting more pressure he is coming up closer to his assignment and not giving 5 yrd cushions. He figures he won't have to run with the WR that long. Since str8 speed not his thing its really great for him.

Goodman does not look like an all-pro. Let's not get carried away here...

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 07:59 PM
Yep last yr it seemed like Green/Peterson/Miller/Dareus all worth looking at. Really I think all of those guys would have been great picks. All are playing pretty well although with Dareus his numbers aren't that great.

He plays in a 3-4, so I wouldn't expect them to be.

cutthemdown
12-01-2011, 08:00 PM
The problem with BPA is that you have to properly assess who is actually the best player available, and it seems like most the professional personnel people around the league fail at that more than they succeed. I certainly agree with the notion, but in the end you simply have to draft the players you like and hope you are right.

Obviously. But really the top end of the first round, they get that pretty close. IE Kiper and Mayock etc etc.

I think what it more logical to say is you don't select only based on need. Otherwise you reach for something etc etc. Obviously they could think wow this linebacker is BPA available and be wrong lol. I think what people mean by BPA available is more don't get swallowed up thinking you need any one particular position and any certain spot in the draft.

cutthemdown
12-01-2011, 08:01 PM
He plays in a 3-4, so I wouldn't expect them to be.

Exactly but from what i read he plays stout and has played hard. He probably would have also made our defense better. Obviously we are happy though. It was nice getting such a high pick last yr. Obviously makes drafting a bit easier.

Here is to not being in the top 15 next yr. !!!!!!

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 08:04 PM
Obviously. But really the top end of the first round, they get that pretty close. IE Kiper and Mayock etc etc.

I think what it more logical to say is you don't select only based on need. Otherwise you reach for something etc etc. Obviously they could think wow this linebacker is BPA available and be wrong lol. I think what people mean by BPA available is more don't get swallowed up thinking you need any one particular position and any certain spot in the draft.

I'm generally a fan of drafting based on BPA and need, unless you are just bad everywhere and/or lack depth everywhere. That said, with our roster I tend to feel like we will be best served going mostly BPA again next draft.

cutthemdown
12-01-2011, 08:06 PM
I'm generally a fan of drafting based on BPA and need, unless you are just bad everywhere and/or lack depth everywhere. That said, with our roster I tend to feel like we will be best served going mostly BPA again next draft.

Especially if its between an avg DT cuzz we think we need it, and a stud DE or OL etc etc. I think anytime you think a player is super special you grab him. I still think we need more ferocity from that center position. Really though oline been playing so much better, now I am not so sure.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 08:23 PM
Especially if its between an avg DT cuzz we think we need it, and a stud DE or OL etc etc. I think anytime you think a player is super special you grab him. I still think we need more ferocity from that center position. Really though oline been playing so much better, now I am not so sure.

I'm not a huge fan of drafting an o-lineman early in this draft, but I can see why some would want us to. Personally I'm still waiting to see Beadles' and Walton's development finish before throwing them aside. Right now I'd say our o-line is average to slightly above average, and that is a definite improvement over last year. I'd prefer we simply address depth right now by using a 3rd or 4th on a guy who can play multiple positions.

Bacchus
12-01-2011, 08:29 PM
Imagine the Broncos if they can draft a stud DT this year. The defense would truely be spectacular.

MrPeepers
12-01-2011, 08:30 PM
goodman has been very subpar and was redeemed by a couple choice plays. plaxico was toasting him until goodman finally caught on.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 08:36 PM
Imagine the Broncos if they can draft a stud DT this year. The defense would truely be spectacular.

Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of great DTs in this upcoming draft from what I've seen.

Bacchus
12-01-2011, 08:38 PM
Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of great DTs in this upcoming draft from what I've seen.

Well, it only takes one gem found in the late first or late second round. DT are such a crap shoot. In 2006 I wanted the Broncos to select Ngata but they traded for Cutler, which was a good selection, but Ngnata of course is still playing and playing well for the Ravens.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 08:41 PM
Well, it only takes one gem found in the late first or late second round. DT are such a crap shoot. In 2006 I wanted the Broncos to select Ngata but they traded for Cutler, which was a good selection, but Ngnata of course is still playing and playing well for the Ravens.

If we take a BPA approach I'll really be surprised if we draft a DT in the first two rounds. Quite a few other positions look to be much deeper.

That One Guy
12-01-2011, 08:41 PM
Well, it only takes one gem found in the late first or late second round. DT are such a crap shoot. In 2006 I wanted the Broncos to select Ngata but they traded for Cutler, which was a good selection, but Ngnata of course is still playing and playing well for the Ravens.

It's quite rare, it seems, that a DT plays well by himself. Usually it's when they're incorporated into a solid squad that they shine. Look at the difference when whatshisface left Denver for Balt and looked much better. There's no telling if Ngata would've just been another bust on Denver's line.

Bacchus
12-01-2011, 08:42 PM
It's quite rare, it seems, that a DT plays well by himself. Usually it's when they're incorporated into a solid squad that they shine. Look at the difference when whatshisface left Denver for Balt and looked much better. There's no telling if Ngata would've just been another bust on Denver's line.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Now put a DT like Ngata in between Miller and Doom. Think about that for a second.

Shananahan
12-01-2011, 09:32 PM
The problem with BPA is that you have to properly assess who is actually the best player available, and it seems like most the professional personnel people around the league fail at that more than they succeed. I certainly agree with the notion, but in the end you simply have to draft the players you like and hope you are right.
So you're saying that the problem with the strategy is that you also have to actually pick good players?

Well, huh.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 09:38 PM
So you're saying that the problem with the strategy is that you also have to actually pick good players?

Well, huh.

No, my point was that the "best player available" approach is really the "who do I like most as a player overall" approach. It often has very little in common with the reality of who is actually the best player available.

Rolandftw
12-01-2011, 10:20 PM
Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of great DTs in this upcoming draft from what I've seen.

Crick. Tho, he's going to probably fall to the second round because of his injury this season. And he struggled in a few games this season as well...

epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2011, 10:25 PM
I think most liked Von Miller as a prospect but not as much as some others b/c of position. I wonder if the Bills would have taken him if we went Peterson instead (leaving Dareus and Miller on the board). Gotta give Epic his due as well.

P.s. I don't find fault in anyone that didn't like an SLB at #2. It was risky and I didn't think it would happen myself... Great job by EFX, that pick could've really blown up in their face.

I wouldn't say I deserve any credit for anything, I just saw a spade and called it a spade.

I don't think that there are many people who visit this site that saw A&M games with any regularity.

It wasn't a matter of Von "coming on late", it was a matter of people not seeing him play and him not being in the constant hype machine that is the NFL predraft coverage. Those who saw him play saw a stand-out guy who made big plays in big games and was all over the place.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 10:29 PM
Crick. Tho, he's going to probably fall to the second round because of his injury this season. And he struggled in a few games this season as well...

He's a solid prospect, but if that's the best you can come up with, you made my point.

Agamemnon
12-01-2011, 10:31 PM
I wouldn't say I deserve any credit for anything, I just saw a spade and called it a spade.

I don't think that there are many people who visit this site that saw A&M games with any regularity.

It wasn't a matter of Von "coming on late", it was a matter of people not seeing him play and him not being in the constant hype machine that is the NFL predraft coverage. Those who saw him play saw a stand-out guy who made big plays in big games and was all over the place.

What's crazy to me is that if you go back and watch A&M footage, the guy is basically dominating NFL players in the exact same way he dominated college players. Honestly I don't know what to say to that...

epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2011, 10:34 PM
What's crazy to me is that if you go back and watch A&M footage, the guy is basically dominating NFL players in the exact same way he dominated college players. Honestly I don't know what to say to that...

The big 12 usually has some good offensive linemen. He played against some incredible Oklahoma lines and was always dangerous.

broncocalijohn
12-02-2011, 12:00 AM
If we take a BPA approach I'll really be surprised if we draft a DT in the first two rounds. Quite a few other positions look to be much deeper.

Finish the sentence for 2011. Best Player Available..... in the front 7. There might have been an offensive player more loved than Miller but we needed the BPA on defense and then look at front 7. We got that in Von Miller. No way you get BPA if he is a wide receiver when we had glaring needs on defense. We took a need even though we didn't address the defensive line. We did (or tried) in free agency.

As for the bumping of threads, first thing I do is use the advanced search function and type my name in it. Thank God I was not in the thread or said something retarded like guys named Roh. Oh, crow eating in this one.

Shananahan
12-02-2011, 12:46 AM
No, my point was that the "best player available" approach is really the "who do I like most as a player overall" approach. It often has very little in common with the reality of who is actually the best player available.
I honestly don't even know what you're arguing anymore with this.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-02-2011, 01:43 AM
now why would we wanna draft a bunch of old people

ghostofjosh
12-02-2011, 04:05 AM
If we take Von Miller at #2 I'm gonna scream like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C1_NCwtRoE

lolz