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JCMElway
01-23-2011, 08:12 AM
Do we get a shot at Fairley, or is Bowers our guy?

If we really want Fairley, should we trade up to take him? Or does Carolina go another way?

And this is a two guy discussion for the Broncs, right? Isn't it foolish to think of anyone else here?

oubronco
01-23-2011, 08:50 AM
Dareus would be in the mix as well as Peterson but if it were me making the call i'd go with Dareus

Hercules Rockefeller
01-23-2011, 09:08 AM
It's not worth trading up to the top pick. Do not quote the retarded pick chart, it'll cost more than a 2nd.

Bowers is not the pick if they're still a 3-4 team.

A 3-4 end is not worth the 2nd pick.

I'd take Peterson.

Finger Roll
01-23-2011, 02:28 PM
If we go back to the 4-3 than I think it will be Bowers.

WABronco
01-23-2011, 03:19 PM
I like having multiple studs to choose from.

BowlenBall
01-23-2011, 05:23 PM
I like having multiple studs to choose from.

:spit::wiggle:

primetime714
01-23-2011, 07:43 PM
A trade back is a big possibility especially if the Panthers take Fairley. I could definitely see some team trying to trade up for their choice of QB. If let's say Arizona really wants Gabbert and doesn't want to risk Buffalo or Cincy taking him we could easily milk a high 2nd and perhaps another pick out of them. And still get one of Peterson, Bowers, or Dareus at 5.

Personally I'm starting to think that's the smart play here. Putting all our eggs in the basket of one player at 2 may not make the most sense. Fairley and Bowers both come with some big question marks. Peterson seems like a safe bet, but a CB at #2 when we need so much help in the trenches?

When there's no clear choice at your spot you have to see what you can get for the pick. This would be a great draft to pick up some extra picks in.

Arkie
01-23-2011, 08:44 PM
Take Fairley or Bowers or trade back. No CB has ever gone #2.

mhgaffney
01-25-2011, 03:00 AM
I checked out the available tape at Youtube for Dareus and Bowers.

These are both good kids. No characters issues I could see. No head trips. Very coachable kids.

I'm still wary of Fairley. The last thing we need is a head tripper.

The Joker
01-25-2011, 04:23 AM
At this moment in time, my approach would be.

Plan A - Fairley.

Plan B - Trade back 2-4 spots and pick up some additional picks, select Dareus. If someone snags him before our pick, take Peterson.

Plan C - Bowers.

Trading down isn't going to be easy if Fairley is gone, I'd take Bowers and roll with a Dumervil, Ayers, Bowers rotation at DE.

Still, pretty certain I'll feel differently come April. So much will change in the coming months.

oubronco
01-25-2011, 06:45 AM
Just take Dareus and be done with it

Rohirrim
01-25-2011, 07:47 AM
I just hope it's not a CB.

PRBronco
01-25-2011, 08:32 AM
I just hope it's not a CB.

But Champ locks down half the field omg!! And another CB would lock down half the field! Then we would lock down two halves of the field and there would be nowhere to play!

epicSocialism4tw
01-25-2011, 09:49 AM
I think they'll try to trade back, but wont find what they want in return.

They'll pick Fairley if he's there and if he's not, they'll take Bowers.

oubronco
01-27-2011, 11:36 AM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/468/829/92869505_display_image.jpg?1288133351

BowlenBall
01-28-2011, 06:43 AM
The more I look at the first round talent in 2011, the more I'm convinced we've got to trade back.

Would you rather have:

#2: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

or

#20: Stephen Paea, DT, Cal
#40: Phil (not Marvin) Taylor, DT, Baylor
#60: Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa

mikey555
01-28-2011, 07:09 AM
We should pick Peterson IMO

listopencil
01-28-2011, 08:46 AM
But Champ locks down half the field omg!! And another CB would lock down half the field! Then we would lock down two halves of the field and there would be nowhere to play!

I keep hearing over and over again how deep this draft is at D-Line. Why not take Peterson at #2 and use our later picks on the line?

PRBronco
01-28-2011, 09:39 AM
I keep hearing over and over again how deep this draft is at D-Line. Why not take Peterson at #2 and use our later picks on the line?

Read some posts by Drek or Mediator, they're much more eloquent and knowledgeable on the subject.

PRBronco
01-28-2011, 10:03 AM
So what's the deal with Bowers anyway? For years during the Shanahan era I dreamed of the team being in position to get the top DE available. I just don't find him a very exciting prospect. Anyone have any insight on him?

epicSocialism4tw
01-28-2011, 11:20 AM
So what's the deal with Bowers anyway? For years during the Shanahan era I dreamed of the team being in position to get the top DE available. I just don't find him a very exciting prospect. Anyone have any insight on him?

I only know what I have seen. I'm not an ACC guy or a Clemson fan, and I have only rarely seen him play.

He looks like the top player in the draft to me. He's massive, explosive, quick, powerful, uses his hands well, has long arms, has a high motor, plays against the pass and the run...he's the total package. He also seems pretty intelligent and is a fun guy.

I have read, however, that he takes plays off. Thats a bit of a red flag.

PRBronco
01-28-2011, 11:43 AM
I only know what I have seen. I'm not an ACC guy or a Clemson fan, and I have only rarely seen him play.

He looks like the top player in the draft to me. He's massive, explosive, quick, powerful, uses his hands well, has long arms, has a high motor, plays against the pass and the run...he's the total package. He also seems pretty intelligent and is a fun guy.

I have read, however, that he takes plays off. Thats a bit of a red flag.

Drat. I've heard stuff like that about him, but I also heard he really turned over a new leaf this year. I wonder if his effort got more consistent.

Thanks for the rundown though!

Broncojef
01-28-2011, 11:52 AM
Take the biggest difference maker you can find for the middle...be it Fairley, Bowers, Dareus etc...just take a fat boy of your choosing and don't look back. Would love to see Heyward or Taylor in the second as well.

epicSocialism4tw
01-28-2011, 12:29 PM
Take the biggest difference maker you can find for the middle...be it Fairley, Bowers, Dareus etc...just take a fat boy of your choosing and don't look back. Would love to see Heyward or Taylor in the second as well.

I like this philosophy!

Someone notify Elway and get him on board. ;D

primetime714
01-28-2011, 12:39 PM
The more I look at the first round talent in 2011, the more I'm convinced we've got to trade back.

Would you rather have:

#2: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

or

#20: Stephen Paea, DT, Cal
#40: Marvin Taylor, DT, Baylor
#60: Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa

I'd take Fairley. No question. The other three guys could all be solid NFL contributors, but Fairley has star potential and could be a true difference maker. Also I think alot of those other guys are better suited to a 3-4 defense and I expect we'll be using more 4-3.

phibacka31
01-28-2011, 04:54 PM
The more I look at the first round talent in 2011, the more I'm convinced we've got to trade back.

Would you rather have:

#2: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

or

#20: Stephen Paea, DT, Cal
#40: Marvin Taylor, DT, Baylor
#60: Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa

Is Marvin Taylor Marvin Austin's and Phil Taylor's love child? ; )
Just giving ya a lil $***

On another note I really like Ballard. I may be an Iowa homer, but I believe he could be a very productive player in the league:thumbsup:

BowlenBall
01-29-2011, 06:01 AM
Is Marvin Taylor Marvin Austin's and Phil Taylor's love child? ; )
Just giving ya a lil $***

On another note I really like Ballard. I may be an Iowa homer, but I believe he could be a very productive player in the league:thumbsup:

LOLNaw, he's the love child of
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kPH0ZxIXBA8/S8P6akCfo1I/AAAAAAAAMJ4/HJ1BRx1SISs/s400/marvin_the_martian.jpg

and

http://dailynewstoyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/lawrence-taylor.jpg

peacepipe
01-29-2011, 06:30 AM
Gotta go with peterson. we got 2 seconds get DL in the second.

TailgateNut
01-29-2011, 06:39 AM
Take Fairley or Bowers or trade back. No CB has ever gone #2.

No on Fairley. He's trouble and overrated IMO.

anton
01-29-2011, 03:28 PM
Peterson at #2. Especially if he runs that 4.3 at 208 lbs.

Switch to a 4-3. Target DT Paea, Liuget, or Nevis at the top of the 2nd or move up a little bit. Pick a MLB like Sturdivant or Wilson with the other 2nd round pick (not Greg Jones, he is not a ILB). Add those guys to Doom and Ayers back at DE and DJ back to WILL and the defense aint so bad anymore.

ColoradoBuff
01-29-2011, 03:53 PM
Peterson at #2. Especially if he runs that 4.3 at 208 lbs.

Switch to a 4-3. Target DT Paea, Liuget, or Nevis at the top of the 2nd or move up a little bit. Pick a MLB like Sturdivant or Wilson with the other 2nd round pick (not Greg Jones, he is not a ILB). Add those guys to Doom and Ayers back at DE and DJ back to WILL and the defense aint so bad anymore.


I agree 100%. Take Peterson at 2 then the best DL with the first 2nd then either another DL or Sturdivant. Then hopefully Sturdivant's teammate Deunta Williams is there in the 3rd.

NFLBRONCO
01-30-2011, 09:55 AM
I'm not expecting to pick at the second slot, honestly.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-30-2011, 04:45 PM
I dont get why people are so hell bent on Peterson when we're more than likely to play primarily cover 2/cover 3. You just dont need elite corners for that. WE NEED front seven

peacepipe
01-30-2011, 05:11 PM
I dont get why people are so hell bent on Peterson when we're more than likely to play primarily cover 2/cover 3. You just dont need elite corners for that. WE NEED front sevencuz you can't remake the front seven in one offseason. also we have 2 high 2nd round picks to get good DL. not only can peterson make an impact at CB but also on ST returning kicks. Ther is no DL pick Fairley or otherwise that's gonna provide an instant pass rush.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-30-2011, 05:33 PM
Bowers wouldnt? Even Von Miller would. Miller is really interesting because it seems like he can line up as a 4-3 backer and then put his hand down during passing downs. He's incredibly versatile and immediately would improve the front seven. We just dont need Peterson.

primetime714
01-30-2011, 06:46 PM
cuz you can't remake the front seven in one offseason. also we have 2 high 2nd round picks to get good DL. not only can peterson make an impact at CB but also on ST returning kicks. Ther is no DL pick Fairley or otherwise that's gonna provide an instant pass rush.

You're right that we probably can't remake the front seven in just one offseason especially with the CBA situation. That said it'll take a lot longer to rebuild the front seven if we don't invest the resources into doing so.

That said I'm not opposed to drafting Peterson, but the logic that we shouldn't take a front seven player cause our front seven is not something that can quickly be fixed is extremely flawed.

Also on the front 7 and the pass rush we have Doom coming back add a high draft pick like Fairley (or Bowers) and probably at least one or two starters via free agency and you have a really great start. And a vastly improved pass rush from the last placed one we had last year.

In the end the Broncos should take the best defensive player available and if there isn't a clear choice at #2 try to trade back a few spots and accumulate more picks.

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2011, 08:42 PM
Bowers wouldnt? Even Von Miller would. Miller is really interesting because it seems like he can line up as a 4-3 backer and then put his hand down during passing downs. He's incredibly versatile and immediately would improve the front seven. We just dont need Peterson.

Thats right.

Lets hope that this front office sees the need to invest in the front seven. Look at where the lack of such commitment has left this squad in terms of defensive talent.

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2011, 08:51 PM
The more I look at the first round talent in 2011, the more I'm convinced we've got to trade back.

Would you rather have:

#2: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

or

#20: Stephen Paea, DT, Cal
#40: Marvin Taylor, DT, Baylor
#60: Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa

exactly

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2011, 08:53 PM
exactly

I'll gladly take Bowers. If not Bowers, I'll gladly take Dareus or Von Miller and smile all the way into next season.

peacepipe
01-31-2011, 07:20 PM
Bowers wouldnt? Even Von Miller would. Miller is really interesting because it seems like he can line up as a 4-3 backer and then put his hand down during passing downs. He's incredibly versatile and immediately would improve the front seven. We just dont need Peterson.

I guess we'll have to differ on that OPINION.

schaaf
01-31-2011, 08:36 PM
Out of every scenario, I want Peterson the most

nickademus
02-04-2011, 09:13 AM
I didnt see any of the highlights from the lsu game earlier this past season but I watched that one as well and dude is a freaking monster. He plays big in big games last two bowl games he ended the qb's night early take him at #2 please!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc_tFjmih7k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7WbXunJcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=insLuoYsDXw&NR=1

cmhargrove
02-04-2011, 10:02 AM
I'm thinking that Phil Taylor (from Baylor), had a good enough senior bowl week to find himself in the lower first round. If he's there in the second round, we better take him.

JCMElway
02-04-2011, 11:56 AM
I'm not expecting to pick at the second slot, honestly.

It would be fantastic to move back 3-5 spots and pick up a second rounder.

Kaylore
02-04-2011, 01:13 PM
It would be fantastic to move back 3-5 spots and pick up a second rounder.

I wouldn't mind this. Or I'd love to see us jump back ten spots and pick up first round pick next year.

Rohirrim
02-04-2011, 01:57 PM
I'm thinking that Phil Taylor (from Baylor), had a good enough senior bowl week to find himself in the lower first round. If he's there in the second round, we better take him.

Fairley in the first. Taylor in the second. Start a line of Ayers, Fairley, Taylor and Doom.

Super Bowl, baby! !Booya!

cmhargrove
02-04-2011, 02:33 PM
Fairley in the first. Taylor in the second. Start a line of Ayers, Fairley, Taylor and Doom.

Super Bowl, baby! !Booya!

We're on the same page here. We still would have another pick in the second for the best MLB available.

Sign me up...

oubronco
02-04-2011, 07:19 PM
Fairley in the first. Taylor in the second. Start a line of Ayers, Fairley, Taylor and Doom.

Super Bowl, baby! !Booya!

Substitute Fairley with Dareus and we are golden

RocBronc
02-05-2011, 08:46 AM
I dont get why people are so hell bent on Peterson when we're more than likely to play primarily cover 2/cover 3. You just dont need elite corners for that. WE NEED front seven

Probably because he's the BPA...

Not saying he is or isn't but if someone thinks that, I can't fault them for wanting to take him.

NFLBRONCO
02-05-2011, 09:13 AM
I wouldn't mind this. Or I'd love to see us jump back ten spots and pick up first round pick next year.

SoCal is that you Hilarious! I'd be cool with it

The Joker
02-08-2011, 01:24 AM
I'd love to see Socal in charge of the Broncos, just for one draft.

Can just picture him (when I picture Socal it's actually Richard Nixon, which adds to the effect) frantically prancing around the Broncos draft room on a cell phone instigating trade down after trade down while 'Don't Stop til You Get Enough' by Michael Jackson plays on repeat.

You just know he'd end up with something like 60 picks and wouldn't make a selection until some point in Round 4.

JCMElway
02-08-2011, 06:55 AM
Substitute Fairley with Dareus and we are golden

Why do you value Dareus above Fairley. Is it the flavor-clown nature of Fairley?

JCMElway
02-08-2011, 06:56 AM
As I see it, there are three options here: Fairley, Bowers, trade down. I would be happy about any of these.

Rohirrim
02-10-2011, 01:23 PM
Sounds like Dilfer is slobbering all over Cam Newton. Maybe the Broncos will be offered a trade down package? I would hate to lose the chance at a big time talent, but we could use more picks. Hard choices may need to be made.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/trent-dilfer-of-cam-newton-workout-phenomenal/related

Tombstone RJ
02-11-2011, 12:55 PM
Sounds like Dilfer is slobbering all over Cam Newton. Maybe the Broncos will be offered a trade down package? I would hate to lose the chance at a big time talent, but we could use more picks. Hard choices may need to be made.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/trent-dilfer-of-cam-newton-workout-phenomenal/related

The better Cam Newton does, the better the Broncos do. If he can wow a few teams into thinking he's a hot commodity and they need to trade up and get him, it really benefits the Broncos. I'm rooting for Cam to put on a pre-draft show the likes of which have not been seen since JaFatty wowed the crowd.

Having the option between Newton, Peterson and a DT all sitting at #2, especially if Newton blows the scout's minds with his talent, can really be a blessing for the Broncos.

C'mon Cam, do your thing baby!!!

oubronco
02-11-2011, 01:22 PM
Why do you value Dareus above Fairley. Is it the flavor-clown nature of Fairley?

Fairley had one good breakout season and Dareus has been a stud since day one and an integral part of Bama's 2-3 yr run and I just think Fairley's just more of a risk

But what the hell do I know i'm just a guy on a message board giving my opinion

PRBronco
02-11-2011, 01:54 PM
The better Cam Newton does, the better the Broncos do. If he can wow a few teams into thinking he's a hot commodity and they need to trade up and get him, it really benefits the Broncos. I'm rooting for Cam to put on a pre-draft show the likes of which have not been seen since JaFatty wowed the crowd.

Having the option between Newton, Peterson and a DT all sitting at #2, especially if Newton blows the scout's minds with his talent, can really be a blessing for the Broncos.

C'mon Cam, do your thing baby!!!

Hahaha seriously we gotta get the Cam Newton hype train going big time. Let's start a rumour that he can run a 4.1. Anyone want to make a fake article for bleacherreport?

mattob14
02-11-2011, 02:00 PM
Sounds like Dilfer is slobbering all over Cam Newton. Maybe the Broncos will be offered a trade down package? I would hate to lose the chance at a big time talent, but we could use more picks. Hard choices may need to be made.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/trent-dilfer-of-cam-newton-workout-phenomenal/related

More important is the note that "at least" 6 teams rank Newton as the top player in this draft. Hopefully, AZ is one of those teams, and Carolina is not. I still feel that AZ is probably the best trade-back option, and would love to see Denver move #2 to the Cardinals for #5, #38, and a 2012 3rd. In that scenario, I think the top-4 would play out like this:

1. Car- Fairley
2. AZ- Newton
3. Buf- Bowers or Miller
4. Cin- Green

At #5, that would leave Denver choosing between Dareus, Peterson, Miller/Bowers, and Robert Quinn, with three more picks between #36 and 46. That would give the team tons of options, and they could truly focus on BPA at #5, then move up from #36 if they key in on a prospect.

oubronco
02-11-2011, 02:20 PM
More important is the note that "at least" 6 teams rank Newton as the top player in this draft. Hopefully, AZ is one of those teams, and Carolina is not. I still feel that AZ is probably the best trade-back option, and would love to see Denver move #2 to the Cardinals for #5, #38, and a 2012 3rd. In that scenario, I think the top-4 would play out like this:

1. Car- Fairley
2. AZ- Newton
3. Buf- Bowers or Miller
4. Cin- Green

At #5, that would leave Denver choosing between Dareus, Peterson, Miller/Bowers, and Robert Quinn, with three more picks between #36 and 46. That would give the team tons of options, and they could truly focus on BPA at #5, then move up from #36 if they key in on a prospect.

That would be an awesome scenario

nickademus
02-13-2011, 03:25 PM
I would bet there could be something with Cincy for green as well. I wouldnt mind picking up their second and the #4.

Hercules Rockefeller
02-13-2011, 07:19 PM
More important is the note that "at least" 6 teams rank Newton as the top player in this draft. Hopefully, AZ is one of those teams, and Carolina is not. I still feel that AZ is probably the best trade-back option, and would love to see Denver move #2 to the Cardinals for #5, #38, and a 2012 3rd. In that scenario, I think the top-4 would play out like this:

1. Car- Fairley
2. AZ- Newton
3. Buf- Bowers or Miller
4. Cin- Green

At #5, that would leave Denver choosing between Dareus, Peterson, Miller/Bowers, and Robert Quinn, with three more picks between #36 and 46. That would give the team tons of options, and they could truly focus on BPA at #5, then move up from #36 if they key in on a prospect.

If Arizona moves up from #5 to get Newton, Denver is going to get a hell of a lot more than a 2nd and a future 3rd.

Remember that it cost San Diego the 3rd overall, a 2nd round pick, a future 1st, and 2 players just to move from #3 to Arizona's spot at #2 so they could take whoever the Colts didn't out of Peyton and Leaf.

Not saying Denver will pull that large of a return, but if someone is committed to getting Cam (or even Gabbert) come April before Buffalo, it will cost a pretty penny.

Arkie
02-13-2011, 11:30 PM
More important is the note that "at least" 6 teams rank Newton as the top player in this draft. Hopefully, AZ is one of those teams, and Carolina is not. I still feel that AZ is probably the best trade-back option, and would love to see Denver move #2 to the Cardinals for #5, #38, and a 2012 3rd. In that scenario, I think the top-4 would play out like this:

1. Car- Fairley
2. AZ- Newton
3. Buf- Bowers or Miller
4. Cin- Green

At #5, that would leave Denver choosing between Dareus, Peterson, Miller/Bowers, and Robert Quinn, with three more picks between #36 and 46. That would give the team tons of options, and they could truly focus on BPA at #5, then move up from #36 if they key in on a prospect.

In that scenario, Denver could trade down three more spots to #8 and still get one of those players and another 2nd round pick.

epicSocialism4tw
02-14-2011, 01:27 AM
If Cam Newton has a good pro day, I could see him going to Carolina. That franchise needs a spark, and Fairley ain't it.

The better Cam Newton does leading up to the draft, the better it is for Denver.

mattob14
02-14-2011, 07:42 AM
In that scenario, Denver could trade down three more spots to #8 and still get one of those players and another 2nd round pick.

Yep...and that's a benefit of slowly moving down. They can see how the board plays out, then move down 2-3 more spots, accumulating picks while insuring a player they like is still available. I don't want to see Denver trade down too far (Dareus at #5 seems like the perfect scenario to me), but they would certainly have that option if this scenario played out.

mattob14
02-14-2011, 07:45 AM
If Arizona moves up from #5 to get Newton, Denver is going to get a hell of a lot more than a 2nd and a future 3rd.

Remember that it cost San Diego the 3rd overall, a 2nd round pick, a future 1st, and 2 players just to move from #3 to Arizona's spot at #2 so they could take whoever the Colts didn't out of Peyton and Leaf.

Not saying Denver will pull that large of a return, but if someone is committed to getting Cam (or even Gabbert) come April before Buffalo, it will cost a pretty penny.

I'd love to see that happen, but I think that's more of a pipe dream at this point. This is a different era, and teams are much tighter with their picks than they were 10-12 years ago. Plus, regardless of how you evaluate Newton/Gabbert, I don't think anyone will confuse either with Peyton coming out of Tennessee. Denver wouldn't receive a premium over the value chart, but I'd be happy with "only" giving a 10-15% discount. As I said before, this makes the trade palatable from both sides, should not significantly alter Denver's draft board, and provides some extra ammo in round 2 and 2012.