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JCMElway
01-22-2011, 08:41 AM
I know there have been multiple Tebow threads, but just wanted to catch the pulse of the board after our season has died down a bit. Is he the QOTF, or just another Josh mistake?

Personally, I think his intangibles will get us into the playoffs in 2-4 years, providing of course we get some defense. Is he a Super Bowl QB? Could be. Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Jeff Hostetler won titles. If those guys can do it, I think Tim is in the same talent league.

ghostofjosh
01-22-2011, 08:43 AM
absolutley

baja
01-22-2011, 08:43 AM
you should'a made a poll. ;D

JCMElway
01-22-2011, 08:45 AM
you should'a made a poll. ;D

Done, oh king of polls.

cmhargrove
01-22-2011, 08:47 AM
All the other QB's you mentioned had a team that focused on the run game and a solid defense.

If we do indeed find the staff/personnel to establish a top 10 run game coupled with a top 10 defense, TT could win Superbowls. It's a team thing here, and Tebow is definitely not the weak link.

One other thing, if this team gets moving in the right direction it will be absolutely electric. Tebow's star could burn as brightly as any NFL player in the past couple decades if this organization places the right components around him. Win or lose, i'm buying his jersey and going "all in" as a fan because he gives everything every game - I love that.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2011, 08:50 AM
What's interesting (to me at least) is I would like to know what kind of leash the fans will give Tebow this year.

Meaning, let's say Tebow is terrible. That means we're looking at another crappy year and we'll be at the top of the draft again in 2012. So if Tebow is bad and we have a whole year of evaluation, will people then want to draft Andrew Luck next year?

And I'm not trying to start the Luck debate all over again. But it's going to be an interesting dynamic, as we will have a lot more time to see Tebow play. I wish Tebow nothing more but the best, because if he plays well the team will win, and that's what we all want. But if he doesn't play well, it's going to be an interesting scene with Luck coming out in 2012, IMO.

And I know QBs need time to develop, and one year might not even be fair to Tebow. But such is life in the NFL. Not always fair.

baja
01-22-2011, 08:57 AM
Done, oh king of polls.

What am I going to do with you? You made it private. Gezzzz ;D

baja
01-22-2011, 08:59 AM
What's interesting (to me at least) is I would like to know what kind of leash the fans will give Tebow this year.

Meaning, let's say Tebow is terrible. That means we're looking at another crappy year and we'll be at the top of the draft again in 2012. So if Tebow is bad and we have a whole year of evaluation, will people then want to draft Andrew Luck next year?

And I'm not trying to start the Luck debate all over again. But it's going to be an interesting dynamic, as we will have a lot more time to see Tebow play. I wish Tebow nothing more but the best, because if he plays well the team will win, and that's what we all want. But if he doesn't play well, it's going to be an interesting scene with Luck coming out in 2012, IMO.

And I know QBs need time to develop, and one year might not even be fair to Tebow. But such is life in the NFL. Not always fair.

I'll answer that most of the board will want to trade him for a first round pick and draft Luck oh and fire Fox...

baja
01-22-2011, 09:01 AM
All the other QB's you mentioned had a team that focused on the run game and a solid defense.

If we do indeed find the staff/personnel to establish a top 10 run game coupled with a top 10 defense, TT could win Superbowls. It's a team thing here, and Tebow is definitely not the weak link.

One other thing, if this team gets moving in the right direction it will be absolutely electric. Tebow's star could burn as brightly as any NFL player in the past couple decades if this organization places the right components around him. Win or lose, i'm buying his jersey and going "all in" as a fan because he gives everything every game - I love that.

He does that to ya doesn't he. ;D

Rohirrim
01-22-2011, 09:03 AM
I'm still conflicted on Tebow. I love the way he plays and the energy and excitement he brings, but does he have what it takes to carry this team to an elite level, the way Elway could? I still don't know.

broncoblue
01-22-2011, 09:12 AM
SUPERBOWL...especially as my mum chased 250 miles out of her way to get me an orange tebow jersey for christmas!!

OABB
01-22-2011, 09:25 AM
I have rarely gone off the deep end in my life. I'm fairly cool headed and objective. I don't subscribe to hero worship as I see the human in everyone and put their deeds in the proper perspective.

Tebow has made me get in touch with the boy Inside of me. I am borderline psychopathic in my high regard for him. I do have hero worship. And I love it. He is my John Wayne.

As I become an adult I have lost alot of the magic that one feels for things and people. I justify and analyze things to the point where I nver get lost in the moment anymore.

Tim tebow will not only restore winning in Denver, he will restore the love of Heroes. I am beyond all in, and right or wrong I love tebow to the point of creepiness.

Tebow will win. I believe this. And the critics, naysayers and generally negetive people will miss out and for that I am sad. I say sit back relax and enjoy the ride because at the end of the day, tebow is deserving of my faith in him.


Go broncos and god bless.

spdirty
01-22-2011, 09:32 AM
I have rarely gone off the deep end in my life. I'm fairly cool headed and objective. I don't subscribe to hero worship as I see the human in everyone and put their deeds in the proper perspective.

Tebow has made me get in touch with the boy Inside of me. I am borderline psychopathic in my high regard for him. I do have hero worship. And I love it. He is my John Wayne.

As I become an adult I have lost alot of the magic that one feels for things and people. I justify and analyze things to the point where I nver get lost in the moment anymore.

Tim tebow will not only restore winning in Denver, he will restore the love of Heroes. I am beyond all in, and right or wrong I love tebow to the point of creepiness.

Tebow will win. I believe this. And the critics, naysayers and generally negetive people will miss out and for that I am sad. I say sit back relax and enjoy the ride because at the end of the day, tebow is deserving of my faith in him.


Go broncos and god bless.

I love this post. I might print it, frame it, and replace one of my family pictures on the wall with it. Its that good.

lostknight
01-22-2011, 09:39 AM
The thing about Tebow is that it's really a all or nothing thing. Either his game was not going to translate at all in the NFL, or it's all going to translate, and he is going to be able to dominate.

I'm on the record saying that he just might end up being the league's next superstar. But he is going to need help to be put in a position to win.

Jesterhole
01-22-2011, 09:46 AM
Tebow has all the talent in the world for that position, and his intangibles are off the chart. There is no reason to think the kid won't pick up a pro style offense. Once he spends a few months working on his reads on his drop backs with the same guys he's going to throw to on Sunday, he'll be able to function as a pocket passer, and still have all the other things that make us excited.

Tebow is a good candidate for most improved player next year. I think we'll see a quantum leap in the guy.

baja
01-22-2011, 09:49 AM
Tebow has all the talent in the world for that position, and his intangibles are off the chart. There is no reason to think the kid won't pick up a pro style offense. Once he spends a few months working on his reads on his drop backs with the same guys he's going to throw to on Sunday, he'll be able to function as a pocket passer, and still have all the other things that make us excited.

Tebow is a good candidate for most improved player next year. I think we'll see a quantum leap in the guy.

Remember Cutler lovers if we had Jay there would be no Tebow.

baja
01-22-2011, 09:51 AM
...and if we did not have Josh McDaniels there would be no Tim Tebow here.

Say what you want about McD but he was smart enough to work the draft so he could get Tebow at the perfect spot in the draft.

footstepsfrom#27
01-22-2011, 09:53 AM
I know there have been multiple Tebow threads, but just wanted to catch the pulse of the board after our season has died down a bit. Is he the QOTF, or just another Josh mistake?

Personally, I think his intangibles will get us into the playoffs in 2-4 years, providing of course we get some defense. Is he a Super Bowl QB? Could be. Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Jeff Hostetler won titles. If those guys can do it, I think Tim is in the same talent league.
Tebow is much more talented than any of those guys. Trent Dilfer? Are you serious? Did you ever see Trent Dilfer make the kind of plays this kid does? He doesn't even come close to these comparisoins. I don't get the continued lack of understanding about what we're looking at. This guys is more in the mold of Roethlisberger than he is Dilfer...and no, I'm not among the idiots who think Roethlisberger, despite his ugly character issues, is not a very talented player. Doug Williams won a superbowl because he was playing against one of Dan Reeve's infamous finesse defenses and Hoestetler just drove the bus.

Tebow is the least of our worries.

lostknight
01-22-2011, 09:57 AM
I'm still conflicted on Tebow. I love the way he plays and the energy and excitement he brings, but does he have what it takes to carry this team to an elite level, the way Elway could? I still don't know.

Actually, that's the part that I think Tebow has proven he can do. When they "unleash the Tebow" he's pretty damn unstoppable. The problem is that you can't play every down that way, or Tebow's going to get knocked out of games.

It's proving that the can do the every day stuff, that will be the hardest thing.

With Tebow, it's going to be a all or nothing thing. He is either going to wash out of the leauge, or he is going to dominate it. I know which one I think will happen. You don't bet against Tebow.

footstepsfrom#27
01-22-2011, 10:03 AM
...and if we did not have Josh McDaniels there would be no Tim Tebow here.

Say what you want about McD but he was smart enough to work the draft so he could get Tebow at the perfect spot in the draft.
Indeed, he shares something in common with this other one-hit wonder when you think about it.

http://www.orderofbc.gov.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2003_EKaiser.jpg

schaaf
01-22-2011, 10:20 AM
I don't ever think Tebow will be the type that leads the league in passing, or has the highest passer rating or completion percentage.

But I think Tebow will prove that he can change the position of Quarterback into something the NFL has never seen before and I think it will be very successful. The kid is a winner, he has been bet against his entire life and look at him now. He is everything a fan would want for their team.

Durango
01-22-2011, 10:22 AM
Tebow is consumed by football. Anyone with the passion he has for anything tends to succeed.

I agree with John Elway, that Tebow is currently a great athlete that will have to be coached up to become a great QB, and he has the critical ingredient to do that, drive and determination.

Jesterhole
01-22-2011, 10:27 AM
Remember Cutler lovers if we had Jay there would be no Tebow.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have Jay and a rebuilt defense, our team would be in much better shape. But McDaniels happened, like the plague happened, and we just move on...

Isn't there an anti-Shanahan or a McDaniels-lovers meeting you should be at?

Jason in LA
01-22-2011, 10:35 AM
Tebow has shown that he can play quarterback in the NFL. Now the question is can he be a good one.

He showed flashes in his three starts. But completing 50% of his passes isn't going to cut it. I don't see him as being a guy who will complete 65% of his passes, mainly because he likes to go down field. But if he can get into the high 50s to low 60s he'll be fine. But if he continues to be in the low 50s, that's going to be a problem.

He gets next year to show improvement, but if he stinks, I'd say pull the plug.

razorwire77
01-22-2011, 10:35 AM
I don't ever think Tebow will be the type that leads the league in passing, or has the highest passer rating or completion percentage.

But I think Tebow will prove that he can change the position of Quarterback into something the NFL has never seen before and I think it will be very successful. The kid is a winner, he has been bet against his entire life and look at him now. He is everything a fan would want for their team.

I agree. I don't think Tim will be successful throwing the ball 40-45 times a game, but with a solid running game, I think he will kill teams of off play action. This is true especially as he gets better dropping back, and better taking snaps under center. He will also excel as the play breaks down, just like he did at Florida, and even this year in his limited opportunities. I really think if we want to maximize Tebow's abilities though we really need to address RB and TE via free agency. I'd even be cool with taking a RB with a 3rd this year, especially if/when we deal Orton for a pick.

baja
01-22-2011, 10:45 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have Jay and a rebuilt defense, our team would be in much better shape. But McDaniels happened, like the plague happened, and we just move on...

<b>Isn't there an anti-Shanahan or a McDaniels-lovers meeting you should be at?

Don't you think that is getting a little tired? Especially when it is not true.

Cito Pelon
01-22-2011, 10:51 AM
I've seen enough of Tebow's arm and legs to see he can win in the NFL, dude is clearly a winner. There's absolutely no doubt to me Tebow will win a lot of games.

Cito Pelon
01-22-2011, 11:05 AM
I'm still conflicted on Tebow. I love the way he plays and the energy and excitement he brings, but does he have what it takes to carry this team to an elite level, the way Elway could? I still don't know.

Don't worry, Tebow is a winner. There's some refining to do yet, but he has most of all the mental toughness to excel. And of course plenty of physical skills.

HEAV
01-22-2011, 11:30 AM
The kid wants it, he works for it, he's going to get it.

RaiderH8r
01-22-2011, 12:34 PM
Yes, Tebow is the answer. Yes, he will put the team on his back and will them to victories. Yes people will doubt him and hate him. Yes he should be Denver's QB for a career. The kid works harder than anybody and not for the sake of saying he did. He works harder with the specific goals of getting better at football. He doesn't stop, he doesn't take a day off. He's a damned machine. He eats rocks and ****s gunpowder. He's the toughest guy on this club and will be for a long time. Guys want to play for him, coaches want to coach him and everybody gets better because they see the standard he sets. I'd spend a 3rd round pick to get Tebow as our equipment manager, he's that rare personality that fills a room, makes people want to be better at whatever they do, and does it with humility and gratitude. Who the f doesn't want that on this club?

You heard it here, Luck is the next Ryan Leaf scale bust. Book it.

maven
01-22-2011, 12:37 PM
I'll just go on record and say NO.

OABB
01-22-2011, 12:40 PM
I'll just go on record and say NO.

You forgot to say that tebow has no talent. I just think it's important that you post your whole opinion so that we can see how stupid you are and ignore all your opinions in the future. Like I am doing now.



Because your stupid.


Thanks!

Hogan11
01-22-2011, 01:13 PM
Soooo many fans have already emotionally sold out to Tebow that you're not going to get a realistic evaluation of the guy. The fanbase will turn a blind eye to any shortcomings and Tebow will enjoy the type of teflon coating not seen in Denver since the arrival of Champ Bailey in 2004. Only if he comes out and totally sucks up the joint will it ever be dispelled. His image, persona and cult are that extreme.

I don't know if he's the answer or not, to be honest. I want to see what he does as a starter for a couple of seasons before I can say whether or not I'm good with him @ QB.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 01:16 PM
Tebow has shown that he can play quarterback in the NFL. Now the question is can he be a good one.

He showed flashes in his three starts. But completing 50% of his passes isn't going to cut it. I don't see him as being a guy who will complete 65% of his passes, mainly because he likes to go down field. But if he can get into the high 50s to low 60s he'll be fine. But if he continues to be in the low 50s, that's going to be a problem.

He gets next year to show improvement, but if he stinks, I'd say pull the plug.

He went downfield because he was, in large part, just playing backyard football out there.

He had very little time to work with the first team. So they had not developed the timing that it takes to throw a high percentage on slants and quick outs.

Something to take note of...
Tebow was very good at throwing screens. He disguised them well and executed them well. Not every QB puts in the work to learn that play inside and out. Its obvious that the Broncos worked with Tebow quite a bit on throwing the screen before his second start. He pretty much mastered it for a rookie...there are alot of established starters (ahem...Jay Cutler) who cant throw it as well as Tebow can because they dont place importance in learning it. Tebow places importance in everything that his coaches ask him to do.

Requiem
01-22-2011, 01:24 PM
Is he the answer? Nobody can know.

Does he deserve the next few years to prove himself as an NFL Quarterback for the Denver Broncos? Absolutely.

We won what, three or four games this past year? I can't imagine us doing any worse over the next two years with Tim as our quarterback. There already are some strong foundations in place on the offensive side of the ball. Another solid or impact player there would go a long, long ways. However, us shoring up the defensive side of the ball (which seems to be their plan for this draft/FA) will help out Tim a lot -- and make the whole team much more competitive.

Tim has to do better than 50% completion percentage, but he has shown he can make the big plays. With another off-season, camp and pre-season of work, he should be good to go.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 01:25 PM
Another thing about Tebow...

He's a blast to watch. He's one of those rare players that you cant keep your eyes off of after the snap. Its like watching Adrian Peterson. You know that he can pull off the impossible at any given moment with his insane God-given athletic ability.

After next season, Tim Tebow could be the most valuable player in the NFL. He's a highlight-reel player who, if he wins games, will sell out stadiums across the league and will continue to have the #1 jersey. He's a superstar in the making, and its hard to believe that people didnt see this before. We lucked out in getting this kid.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Next time you watch Tebow (you can do it on the main page), watch how he runs.

It looks like he's ripe to get tackled and he somehow works his way through the mess. Look at his feet and notice how quick he changes direction slightly; making new angles all the time. A guy with his size moving like that is extremely rare.

TheReverend
01-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Tebow is the answer to every question. If your wife asks if you're cheating on her, replying with "Tebow" = instant forgiveness and sex. I've also seen people get 1600s on their SATs by making the bubbles form the word "Tebow".

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 01:40 PM
Soooo many fans have already emotionally sold out to Tebow that you're not going to get a realistic evaluation of the guy.

I think that alot of that is because we all pretty much expected him to go out there and look lost, out of place. And instead he went out there and was the best player on the offense not named Brandon Lloyd. Him leading the Broncos back from down 17 was a special moment and reminded us all of what it felt like having #7 back there. It was eerily similar to an Elway game...making smart checkdown throws that turn into big plays, coming up with the big down-field conversions, getting outside the pocket and dominating, the return of the "we can always come back" mentality among fans, etc.

We expected Tebow to struggle, but he really didnt. He made mistakes like every NFL QB does, and he made plays...which is something that not every NFL QB does.

Tebow looked like he belonged...not with guys like Trent Dilfer or Kordell Stewart, but with guys like Steve McNair and Steve Young.

It was quite a nice surprise at the end of what was a hopeless, terrible season of Broncos football.

The fanbase will turn a blind eye to any shortcomings and Tebow will enjoy the type of teflon coating not seen in Denver since the arrival of Champ Bailey in 2004. Only if he comes out and totally sucks up the joint will it ever be dispelled. His image, persona and cult are that extreme.

Tebow is a likeable player, and there's nothing wrong with that.

He's alot of fun to watch because he's a playmaking athlete, and off the field he's completely likeable. As one who hates the "flavor clown", you should be able to see why people like Tebow. He's the opposite. He's the guy that everyone likes because of how he behaves...the effort he puts in, the way he fights to win, the way he respects the game, the way he respects the fans, the way he respects and honors his coaches and teammates.

I'm glad we have a player to pull for who despite all of the above, still is doubted to the point that he is always dealing with being the underdog.

Its the total package. Its like pulling for Rudy Rudiger in Bo Jackson's body.

I don't know if he's the answer or not, to be honest. I want to see what he does as a starter for a couple of seasons before I can say whether or not I'm good with him @ QB

Thats what it will take. It will be a couple of seasons before we really know what we have.

And with the exciting nature of Tebow's play, it should be a fun couple of seasons.

DarkHorse30
01-22-2011, 01:46 PM
What's the question?

Allegedly, Tebow was a risky pick in the first round last year. So far, I don't question that pick one bit. He will NOT be outworked.....and, he appears to inspire his O-teammates to work harder.

The problem with Denver has not been ANY QB we've had since 83. Elway was the best, but the others weren't problems.

The problem is/was the defense. Enter a new HC that has the creds to build a defense......bada bing.

I laugh at this thread.

On another topic: Will any Denver fan RUE the day McDaniels (and as the evidence now proves, he did by dating Matt Cassel) traded away our former QB if he wins a SB with another team?

Look at the playoff teams. All have good/great defenses AND a franchise QB......I doubt Denver would have ever had a great defense under our former coach; I'm not sure he knows how, just like our former, former coach.

Hogan11
01-22-2011, 02:03 PM
Him leading the Broncos back from down 17 was a special moment and reminded us all of what it felt like having #7 back there.

You could've just said this to explain it all.


Tebow is a likeable player, and there's nothing wrong with that.

He's alot of fun to watch because he's a playmaking athlete, and off the field he's completely likeable. As one who hates the "flavor clown", you should be able to see why people like Tebow. He's the opposite. He's the guy that everyone likes because of how he behaves...the effort he puts in, the way he fights to win, the way he respects the game, the way he respects the fans, the way he respects and honors his coaches and teammates.

I'm glad we have a player to pull for who despite all of the above, still is doubted to the point that he is always dealing with being the underdog.

Its the total package. Its like pulling for Rudy Rudiger in Bo Jackson's body.

For me personally, my dislike comes from years of him beating down my college team. Such animosity isn't just switched off overnight because he puts on a Broncos jersey and has a three game stretch as a starter. It's going to take time for me to warm up to him and it'll be easier to do so once his Gator past fades into oblivion.....I mean, who the hell was talking about Elway's college years after he'd been in Denver for a couple of seasons? I've explained all that time and time again.

If you think that the fanbase won't have a mega long leash on him though, then you have another thing coming. He already has. It's one thing to be a fan of the guy and it's quite another to be a fanatic of him. Just read your own posts, you have him made out to be the greatest player to ever lace up a pair of shoes...and all on three starts. I like you and all, but you've gone wayyy overboard on this guy and he's really done nothing to warrent such a thing yet.



Thats what it will take. It will be a couple of seasons before we really know what we have.

And with the exciting nature of Tebow's play, it should be a fun couple of seasons.

I'm thinking three full seasons for an objective evaluation of what the Broncos have here....you have to admit though, many have already made their minds up totally and nothing short of a complete and utter failure on Tim's part will ever change them.

SoCalBronco
01-22-2011, 02:11 PM
Yes.

Popps
01-22-2011, 02:15 PM
The answer is installing a real NFL team around him. Again, Cutler was a disaster in Denver... yet Chicago figured out a way to win despite him at the helm, simply because of their defense and running game. It's just another in a long line of examples of how a complete team wins games.

I expect Fox to change things. The era of our "daddy-QB" saving us every game is long gone in Denver. You're going to see another attempt to put a real defense and running game in place. Hopefully it'll work.

If those systems are in place, of course Tebow can be productive.... maybe a champion again.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 02:16 PM
For me personally, my dislike comes from years of him beating down my college team. Such animosity isn't just switched off overnight because he puts on a Broncos jersey and has a three game stretch as a starter. It's going to take time for me to warm up to him and it'll be easier to do so once his Gator past fades into oblivion.....I mean, who the hell was talking about Elway's college years after he'd been in Denver for a couple of seasons? I've explained all that time and time again.

Tebow has a dog named "Bronco", refers to Denver as his hometown, and has already begun his Tebow Foundation work in Denver. He's completely sold out to our team and to the town.

Before his Gators played my Sooners in the Natl. Championship Game, I couldnt stand the guy. The SEC channel was in constant Tebow mode, and he was taking Sam Bradford's Heisman hype. He won me over in that game. Despite beating the Sooners, I had to respect what the kid did in that game. While OU receivers were dropping Bradford passes all over the field, Tebow was coming through when it mattered.

I never considered him joining Denver, but when he did I was excited because I knew what we had in the guy.

If you think that the fanbase won't have a mega long leash on him though, then you have another thing coming. He already has. It's one thing to be a fan of the guy and it's quite another to be a fanatic of him. Just read your own posts, you have him made out to be the greatest player to ever lace up a pair of shoes...and all on three starts. I like you and all, but you've gone wayyy overboard on this guy and he's really done nothing to warrent such a thing yet.

I hope he does get a leash. I think this is kind of how it works with Tebow. The people on the inside (the fans of the team) see what he's about and believe in him while the people on the outside (fans of other teams and media haters) constantly doubt the guy.

I like it that way. It builds a satisfying synergy between feeling like the underdog, and feeling like you can win. That's the same feeling we had amongst the fans from 1983 to 1998.


I'm thinking three full seasons for an objective evaluation of what the Broncos have here....you have to admit though, many have already made their minds up totally and nothing short of a complete and utter failure on Tim's part will ever change them.

At the same time you have the vocal haters who will never see his accomplishments as what they are.

But yes, there are fanboys for everything. People worship Star Trek...I have never really figured that one out, but whatever floats their boat.

As for Tebow though, he's already done something I didnt think would happen again until the team made the superbowl...he has brought the fanbase back together. Bowlen owes the boy a shot for that reason alone.

BroncoSojia
01-22-2011, 02:17 PM
The answer is installing a real NFL team around him. Again, Cutler was a disaster in Denver... yet Chicago figured out a way to win despite him at the helm, simply because of their defense and running game. It's just another in a long line of examples of how a complete team wins games.

I expect Fox to change things. The era of our "daddy-QB" saving us every game is long gone in Denver. You're going to see another attempt to put a real defense and running game in place. Hopefully it'll work.

If those systems are in place, of course Tebow can be productive.... maybe a champion again.

Why do people keep say stuff like this when it's obviously not true.

TDmvp
01-22-2011, 02:18 PM
Why do people keep say stuff like this when it's obviously not true.



Yea I know , It's like one sentence a post he just can't fight it and has to put his foot in his mouth.



He's like Rex Ryan only completely different .

OABB
01-22-2011, 02:20 PM
Three game lead... Three games left..... Disaster.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 02:24 PM
The answer is installing a real NFL team around him. Again, Cutler was a disaster in Denver... yet Chicago figured out a way to win despite him at the helm, simply because of their defense and running game. It's just another in a long line of examples of how a complete team wins games.

I expect Fox to change things. The era of our "daddy-QB" saving us every game is long gone in Denver. You're going to see another attempt to put a real defense and running game in place. Hopefully it'll work.

If those systems are in place, of course Tebow can be productive.... maybe a champion again.

I disagree about Cutler, but the same thing is true that has been true all the way back to 1998: complete teams win.

You have to have a defense that can get the other team off the field in the second half. You have to have a top 10 defense to do that, and the defense has to be able to take the opponent out of their strengths. They have to be able to 1) stop the run, and 2) put pressure on the QB. How does that happen? At the line of scrimmage.

GoBroncos84
01-22-2011, 02:43 PM
We all want him to be. We are all rooting for him. Well, for the most part. Tebow being the "answer" is the best thing that can happen to our franchise. We just won't know for a while. I am a big Tebow fan, I have loved his game ever since he was a Freshman at Florida. He has something special, no question. We just have to see what happens if we can build a strong defense and improve our running game. Some growth on the offensive line as well. If we can improve those areas that gives him the best chance to succeed. I don't think Tim is ever going to be a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees throwing the football. But can he be as good if not better than Big Ben, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, etc.? Absolutely. He can use his strength and mobility to keep plays alive. He can escape from the pocket to make throws down field or tuck it and run. What needs to be proven is whether he can win games from the pocket when that is what needs to be done. He is far from it right now. The hope is that after this offseason he will be a lot closer. We just have to wait and see

baja
01-22-2011, 02:47 PM
Tebow is the answer to every question. If your wife asks if you're cheating on her, replying with "Tebow" = instant forgiveness and sex. I've also seen people get 1600s on their SATs by making the bubbles form the word "Tebow".

alright that's funny.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 02:48 PM
We all want him to be. We are all rooting for him. Well, for the most part. Tebow being the "answer" is the best thing that can happen to our franchise. We just won't know for a while. I am a big Tebow fan, I have loved his game ever since he was a Freshman at Florida. He has something special, no question. We just have to see what happens if we can build a strong defense and improve our running game. Some growth on the offensive line as well. If we can improve those areas that gives him the best chance to succeed. I don't think Tim is ever going to be a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees throwing the football. But can he be as good if not better than Big Ben, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, etc.? Absolutely. He can use his strength and mobility to keep plays alive. He can escape from the pocket to make throws down field or tuck it and run. What needs to be proven is whether he can win games from the pocket when that is what needs to be done. He is far from it right now. The hope is that after this offseason he will be a lot closer. We just have to wait and see

If we leave the offense as-is and build the defense...within a couple of seasons, this is a championship-level team. There are pieces here now that can contribute at that level.

We need to be a team that relies on its defense. Rely on defense, run the ball, and let Tebow do what he does. Thats a winning formula.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 02:50 PM
86% of the people on the orange mane who have voted in this thread believe that the QB position is good to go.

Thats an extremely high number for a team with a rookie QB who only played 3 games. I imagine that only St. Louis would have similar poll numbers from last years' bevy of rookie starters.

lostknight
01-22-2011, 02:53 PM
The answer is installing a real NFL team around him. Again, Cutler was a disaster in Denver...


8-8 is not a disaster. 4-12 is a disaster.


I expect Fox to change things. The era of our "daddy-QB" saving us every game is long gone in Denver. You're going to see another attempt to put a real defense and running game in place. Hopefully it'll work.

If those systems are in place, of course Tebow can be productive.... maybe a champion again.

If that's in place, and Tebow lives up to have the talent he has, this team will be competitive every year. If he lives up to his full potential, let's just say it will be remarkable ;-)

lostknight
01-22-2011, 03:01 PM
On another topic: Will any Denver fan RUE the day McDaniels (and as the evidence now proves, he did by dating Matt Cassel) traded away our former QB if he wins a SB with another team?


Tommorow will be epic here. If Cutler and the bears win, expect a few loudmouths to disappear until after the superbowl. If Cutler and the bears loose, expect a few loudmouths to disappear until after the superbowl.

The amount of self-gratification on the board will be epic.

baja
01-22-2011, 03:04 PM
If the front office is paying attention they will see the value of Tebow. Just look here on the OM. We haven't been able to agree on anything for two years yet we almost universally agree tebow is special and can carry Denver to great heights and the guy has played only three games. That's unheard of. Tebow will buy Bowlen time to rebuild and he will be a fool if he does not see this.

Archer81
01-22-2011, 03:04 PM
What's the question?


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 03:05 PM
Tommorow will be epic here. If Cutler and the bears win, expect a few loudmouths to disappear until after the superbowl. If Cutler and the bears loose, expect a few loudmouths to disappear until after the superbowl.

The amount of self-gratification on the board will be epic.

Im really looking forward to that game. If Cutler dominates, he'll enter the pantheon of modern QB's. If he falters and throws some back-breaking picks to lose the game...well, he will have shown that he hasnt grown much since Denver.

Cutler v. Green Bay defense and Rogers v. Chicago defense should both be great matchups.

Jason in LA
01-22-2011, 03:13 PM
The problem with Denver has not been ANY QB we've had since 83. Elway was the best, but the others weren't problems.

The problem is/was the defense. Enter a new HC that has the creds to build a defense......bada bing.



I keep hearing that, but that's not how I remember the the Shanahan era after the Super Bowls. People keep saying that the defenses sucked, but that's not true. Okay, in 2000 the D sucked bad and the O had to light up the scoreboard to get them in the playoffs. From 2001 to mid season 2006 the defense played well. The problem was that Ray Rhodes and Larry Coyer were horrible at making adjustments at key moments. Their defenses didn't suck, it just sucked when it mattered the most. In Coyer's case they played defense all season long and then would lay an egg in the playoffs (twice against the Colts, once against the Steelers). That '05 defense was nice, with the all out blitzes. But in the AFC Championship game the Steelers used max protect and it was like Coyer was caught with his pants down. Like he didn't have a plan B. Same thing against the Colts, no plan B.

The D was good until the middle of the '06 season. Injuries killed them, and then the D was horrible in '07 and '08, which cost Shanny his job.

QB has been a big issue. Brian Griese couldn't lead them anywhere. Plummer was good at times, and killed them at other times. Hell, the defense and running game willed the Broncos to wins when Plummer played poorly. Cutler never had a good defense, so he had to light up the scoreboard to pull out a win. That is a formula of losing.

Unless a team has a lights out defense, they need a good QB.

Jay3
01-22-2011, 03:15 PM
Absolutely, next year is going to be way fun. Tebow will amaze his critics. He's a great pocket passer.

Jason in LA
01-22-2011, 03:22 PM
you have to admit though, many have already made their minds up totally and nothing short of a complete and utter failure on Tim's part will ever change them.

I think a lot of people have made up their minds on both ends of the argument. Some people swear that Tebow will be a bust, and playing well in his three starts haven't made them feel that he can play QB. On the flip side, so people have bought into the guy so much that they think that it is impossible for him not to succeed.

I like to think that I'm rational, and I'd say that the truth about the guy is somewhere in the middle. He has shown that he can play QB in the NFL, but he hasn't shown that he is a legit franchise QB. I'm rooting for him to make major steps toward that next year, but there are still a lot of question marks on the guy.

I think next season is going to tell a lot about his future. If he can make strides towards being a top notch QB then I saw continue with the guy. That doesn't mean that he has to play at a Pro Bowl level, but just be more efficient. But if he struggles the entire season, yeah, I wouldn't spend too much time with him afterward that.

peacepipe
01-22-2011, 03:24 PM
Absolutely, next year is going to be way fun. Tebow will amaze his critics. He's a great pocket passer.

you can't be serious.

lostknight
01-22-2011, 03:35 PM
you can't be serious.

Actually, watch how Tebow moves in a pocket. He's amazingly fluid, and if he can read the coverages, very accurate. He easily has the best arm out of the bunch of QBs we have now.

Tebow's problem is athleticism (as is Kyles) or accuracy (as is Quinn's) it's that he has so much natural skill, he's never had to hone it all that much. Now he needs to hone it.

baja
01-22-2011, 03:38 PM
You mean "isn't" right

Agamemnon
01-22-2011, 03:39 PM
It's funny to me that so many don't get what we have in Tebow. Comparing him to Dilfer or Hostetler? Wow...

schaaf
01-22-2011, 03:55 PM
If Tebow is the answer (which I believe he is) this is going to be a very fun next 10 years.

bap454
01-22-2011, 04:19 PM
I rather go 1 -16 with Tebow than 7 -7 with Orton...just saying.

ScottXray
01-22-2011, 04:32 PM
You have either or, and only 2-3 year time range...poll is too limited.

I think he will have growing pains...so Did Elway and Paymeaton, but they both got there. If Ben rapistburger can win a super bowl with poor play and a super defense in his second year, so can we.

Have to build that D first. THAT is the key...

Punisher
01-22-2011, 04:37 PM
Defense is the answer, like what we should of did in the 1st place

zdoor
01-22-2011, 04:46 PM
Why do people keep say stuff like this when it's obviously not true.

Because they've spent the last 2 years saying The McD led Broncos did the right thing trading him...

Even Elway now says things would have been different with Cutler had he been in charge.

It's pretty funny we now need a complete team, when that is essentially the same thing we needed 2 years ago.

BTW... I believe Tebow can be a superstar...

peacepipe
01-22-2011, 04:51 PM
Actually, watch how Tebow moves in a pocket. He's amazingly fluid, and if he can read the coverages, very accurate. He easily has the best arm out of the bunch of QBs we have now.

Tebow's problem is athleticism (as is Kyles) or accuracy (as is Quinn's) it's that he has so much natural skill, he's never had to hone it all that much. Now he needs to hone it.you seem to know more about Quarterbacking ability than Elway. Tebow is not a pocket passer period. Not just you but alot of people are making him out to be better than he actually is.

lostknight
01-22-2011, 04:54 PM
you seem to know more about Quarterbacking ability than Elway.

I've never said that.


Tebow is not a pocket passer period.


Strange. I am pretty sure I've seen him throw a lot of great throws from the pocket. Crappy ones as well. But to say he "is not a pocket passer period" defies the fact that he has already passed from the pocket.


Not just you but alot of people are making him out to be better than he actually is.

He's statistically equal, more or less, to Orton. Does he have a hell of a lot more upside? Yes.

Jay3
01-22-2011, 05:04 PM
you can't be serious.

Yeah, I'm serious. I think the guy's going to be one of the all time greats, and we'll be re-hashing endless stories about how the echo-chamber was so wrong about his passing ability.

He's freakishly accurate downfield. Once they get him some footwork and some real rhythm to go with it, he could be great.

He's not a rhythm passer -- he's never been in an offense of rhythm reads and throws. But getting that will make him quicker and more comfortable throwing it.

That's what's so great about Tebow -- the thinks he's weak in are the things that can be improved. The things he's got in spades are the things you can't find in 1,000 players.

peacepipe
01-22-2011, 05:11 PM
I've never said that.



Strange. I am pretty sure I've seen him throw a lot of great throws from the pocket. Crappy ones as well. But to say he "is not a pocket passer period" defies the fact that he has already passed from the pocket.



He's statistically equal, more or less, to Orton. Does he have a hell of a lot more upside? Yes.vick has made throws from the pocket it doesn't make him a pocket passer.

HEAV
01-22-2011, 05:14 PM
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I just love the kid.

There have been players with more talent and better upside, but zero heart and personal drive to make the talent work. But Tim's heart and will combined with his talent will allow him to become what he wants.

A NFL QB.

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We don't have a brick wall of a O-line to protect an Orton type QB. Tim's legs are what we need, the ability to move in the pocket, make a sack a 3 yards gain,make a rusher miss and hit a receiver down field.

listopencil
01-22-2011, 05:22 PM
I'll just go on record and say NO.

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'll just go on record and say "YES".

HEAV
01-22-2011, 05:23 PM
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Punisher
01-22-2011, 05:24 PM
Well Tebow is white.....

listopencil
01-22-2011, 05:33 PM
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If that doesn't get you all worked up as a Denver Bronco fan...you're dead inside.

listopencil
01-22-2011, 05:41 PM
vick has made throws from the pocket it doesn't make him a pocket passer.

Actually Vick has improved tremendously in his ability to pass from the pocket since going to prison for profoundly inhumane treatment of animals. Before going to prison for cruelly killing dogs in very disgusting ways, he was horrible in the pocket. Now, after spending time in prison for torturing and killing his own pets, he is a lot better at it.

MacGruder
01-22-2011, 05:54 PM
I think there is a huge misconception about Tebow.. many people say Tebow isn't or could never be a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Brees.

I think he is.. and at the very least could be.. but he is very fortunate that he doesn't have to be. Those guys don't have a choice.. they can't win the game any other way.. and for that reason they lose games because of it.

Tebow does have a choice because of his stellar athleticism. He has ALWAYS had that option. And this is why I think he is taking the game to new levels that those other guys couldn't. His instincts tell him that to win the game you really can't do it the way those guys try to win the game. The way he plays is SMART. If those guys could do what Tebow does they would be doing the exact same thing. And they would be taking heat for it and doubted just like he is... and it would also make them look like they weren't conventional QBs even with all their wins.

Gutless Drunk
01-22-2011, 06:11 PM
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zdoor
01-22-2011, 06:23 PM
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Nice!

Jay3
01-22-2011, 06:27 PM
I think there is a huge misconception about Tebow.. many people say Tebow isn't or could never be a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Brees.

I think he is.. and at the very least could be.. but he is very fortunate that he doesn't have to be. Those guys don't have a choice.. they can't win the game any other way.. and for that reason they lose games because of it.

Tebow does have a choice because of his stellar athleticism. He has ALWAYS had that option. And this is why I think he is taking the game to new levels that those other guys couldn't. His instincts tell him that to win the game you really can't do it the way those guys try to win the game. The way he plays is SMART. If those guys could do what Tebow does they would be doing the exact same thing. And they would be taking heat for it and doubted just like he is... and it would also make them look like they weren't conventional QBs even with all their wins.

You're right, and it's the reason Tebow is going to be a huge "winner," while at the same time everyone says he's just "gritty" or "finds a way." Behind the throwing motion and the running ability, there's a quarterback with every bit as much passing potential as those guys. But it's harder to see it wen you're brain is getting scrambled by some play he made with his feet, or his good football instincts.

It's why he was very efficient in college -- he does well BOTH when the play goes well and when it doesn't go well. He protects the ball, chooses his spots, picks his lanes very well. He's very frustrating to play against, because the thing he's best at is figuring out what the best thing to do is.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 07:02 PM
You're right, and it's the reason Tebow is going to be a huge "winner," while at the same time everyone says he's just "gritty" or "finds a way." Behind the throwing motion and the running ability, there's a quarterback with every bit as much passing potential as those guys. But it's harder to see it wen you're brain is getting scrambled by some play he made with his feet, or his good football instincts.

It's why he was very efficient in college -- he does well BOTH when the play goes well and when it doesn't go well. He protects the ball, chooses his spots, picks his lanes very well. He's very frustrating to play against, because the thing he's best at is figuring out what the best thing to do is.

In college, it seemed to me like Tim was the king of the 5-yard play on first and second down.

2nd and 5 is the way to play offensive football. Tebow is excellent at getting you 2nd and 5 when he gets the ball on first down.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 07:04 PM
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I just love the kid.


That interview he gives at the end of the video is what makes people love him. He works hard for them...to reward their faith in him. He acknowledges the fan support in a personal way by giving all that he has so that you dont feel that he's letting you down. He isnt just working hard for himself, he's working hard for us too. He's a special young man who has excellent parents.

Phenomenal role model for the children of Broncos fans.

JDB7821
01-22-2011, 07:05 PM
I learned not to doubt Tebow after his freshman year in college. The whole year I kept saying repeatedly, "this won't hold up in the SEC, he's going to get killed." Turns out it did hold up...better than any other player in the history of the SEC.

Chris
01-22-2011, 07:05 PM
I have rarely gone off the deep end in my life. I'm fairly cool headed and objective. I don't subscribe to hero worship as I see the humans in everyone and put their seeds in the proper perspective.

Tebow. has made me get in touch with the boy Inside of me. I am borderline psychopathic in my high regard for him. I do have hero worship. And I love it. He is my John Wayne.

As I become an adult I have lost alot of the magic that one feels for things and people. I justify and analyze things to the point where I nver get lost in the moment anymore.

Tim tebow will not only restore winning in Denver, he will restores the love of Herpes. I am beyond all in, and right or wrong I love tebow to the point of creepiness.

Tebow will win. I believe this. And the critics, naysayers and generally negetive people will miss out and for that I am sad. I say sit back relax and enjoy the ride because at the end of the day, tebow is deserving of my faith inside of him.


Go broncos and god bless.

Now we just need Prince to write this ****.

epicSocialism4tw
01-22-2011, 07:10 PM
88.2 % of fans voting in this poll believe that Tebow is the answer. Thats just about 9/10 folks.

DarkHorse30
01-22-2011, 07:10 PM
Yeah, I think all the speculation is warrented and obligatory.....BUT

There has never been a QB like Tebow IN THIS LEAGUE. ever. ever.

Enjoy.

I think the ride will be fun, and I don't really care what the rest of youse think

peacepipe
01-22-2011, 07:15 PM
I think there is a huge misconception about Tebow.. many people say Tebow isn't or could never be a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Brees.

I think he is.. and at the very least could be.. but he is very fortunate that he doesn't have to be. Those guys don't have a choice.. they can't win the game any other way.. and for that reason they lose games because of it.

Tebow does have a choice because of his stellar athleticism. He has ALWAYS had that option. And this is why I think he is taking the game to new levels that those other guys couldn't. His instincts tell him that to win the game you really can't do it the way those guys try to win the game. The way he plays is SMART. If those guys could do what Tebow does they would be doing the exact same thing. And they would be taking heat for it and doubted just like he is... and it would also make them look like they weren't conventional QBs even with all their wins.wow, he's played 3 games and is already being considered a HOFer. He should go ahead retire,so he can get inducted 5 yrs from now.

MacGruder
01-22-2011, 07:22 PM
wow, he's played 3 games and is already being considered a HOFer. He should go ahead retire,so he can get inducted 5 yrs from now.

I'm not saying he is a hall of famer.. but he has that potential. He has that ability. He has as good a chance as anyone of making it. He is just doing it in a different way.. that is all I am trying to say.

This is something I don't understand though.. when people discredit Tebow and act like he is a sub par QB.. it causes someone to try to explain how he is as good as anyone at this stage of his career.. and then when people defend him like this someone comes along and says not to claim he is great without doing anything.

Bottom line is Tebow deserves the same benefit of doubt as any other great QB prospect. But he can't make the same mistakes even a Peyton Manning makes without having his abilities trashed simply because he does things in such a unique and different fashion. Different isn't a bad thing.. especially when it's been as successful as Tebow. at every level people have said it won't translate and been proven wrong.

DarkHorse30
01-22-2011, 07:22 PM
wow, he's played 3 games and is already being considered a HOFer. He should go ahead retire,so he can get inducted 5 yrs from now.

You know what's the amazing thing about SOME players? Like say, for instance, a future HOF safety like Polomau(SP)? Nobody remembers Rapistbergers name if that certain safety is not in the game. Ditto Harrison, IMO. We HAVE to find a safety like Harrison/Polomau if we want to get better, and he may already be on our team. Draft DT, move Champ to safety, and get ready to watch Denver move from worst to first.

HOF be damned because NO Denver fan respects it because we've been hosed from the get/go on that item.

Jay3
01-22-2011, 07:30 PM
I learned not to doubt Tebow after his freshman year in college. The whole year I kept saying repeatedly, "this won't hold up in the SEC, he's going to get killed." Turns out it did hold up...better than any other player in the history of the SEC.

I kept saying to myself (his freshman year), "this crap is not going to keep working. They keep sending him in, and everybody in the stadium knows he's going to run it."

And he kept picking up first downs. And he kept scoring touchdowns. Rub the tummy, get a touchdown.

Then his sophomore year, I wanted to see him throw it. I kept saying "He looks like the Hulk trying to throw a ball."

Then it kept going to the guy. Again, and again. Almost never a poor decision. Almost never a "Tim, what were you even trying to do on that play?"

It was like he's a machine that was born to get out there and do something with the ball. Very naturally productive.

Jay3
01-22-2011, 07:31 PM
In college, it seemed to me like Tim was the king of the 5-yard play on first and second down.

2nd and 5 is the way to play offensive football. Tebow is excellent at getting you 2nd and 5 when he gets the ball on first down.

He plays "on schedule."

strafen
01-22-2011, 09:52 PM
I know there have been multiple Tebow threads, but just wanted to catch the pulse of the board after our season has died down a bit. Is he the QOTF, or just another Josh mistake?

Personally, I think his intangibles will get us into the playoffs in 2-4 years, providing of course we get some defense. Is he a Super Bowl QB? Could be. Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Jeff Hostetler won titles. If those guys can do it, I think Tim is in the same talent league.Tebow has way more talent than those guys you've mentioned, way more.

I'm on board with Tebow. He's our best option at QB. He showed he can rally the team around him, and that's very important in more ways than one when it comes down to playing as a team.

A good defense and a solid running game, and Tebow will provide the rest...

DarkHorse30
01-22-2011, 10:41 PM
Is the question: "Does Tebow put Denver back on the NFL map?

Look in this week's SB preview issue. Name ONE player that is shown in a picture and commented on (other than the obligatory Farve mention-may he rest in piece) that WASN'T in the playoffs.





No guesses?

is it a coincidence that the date mentioned is Dec. 26? The day AFTER Santa Claus left the building?

OABB
01-23-2011, 12:50 AM
Now we just need Prince to write this ****.

****ing awesome.

mhgaffney
01-23-2011, 01:01 AM
No question, Tebow is a rare bird.

They don't make 'em like that anymore.

Steve Sewell
01-23-2011, 01:53 AM
Opening Day at Mile High with Tebow is going to be absolutely electrifying. I hope we get an AFC West opponent for the occasion.

Oh and any opposing AFC West fan who says they aren't scared ****less about the Broncos with Tebow is lying.

schaaf
01-23-2011, 02:00 AM
I hope I can touch him someday

fdf
01-23-2011, 02:55 AM
I know there have been multiple Tebow threads, but just wanted to catch the pulse of the board after our season has died down a bit. Is he the QOTF, or just another Josh mistake?

Personally, I think his intangibles will get us into the playoffs in 2-4 years, providing of course we get some defense. Is he a Super Bowl QB? Could be. Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Jeff Hostetler won titles. If those guys can do it, I think Tim is in the same talent league.

Dang. I hadn't thought folks on this forum would be interested in this question. I think this is the first thread I've seen about it. :)

Odysseus
01-23-2011, 03:41 AM
We need a Championship defense. No defense = no championship.

I think Elway would fail with our current league rules. Where is our unstoppable TE? Who is our every down running back? Do we have a receiving tandem that are seasoned?

I have a poll. How many players are we away from a Championship team? I don't mean a team that dominates but one that gets us safely in the playoffs. Thoughts?

Agamemnon
01-23-2011, 06:28 AM
I have a poll. How many players are we away from a Championship team? I don't mean a team that dominates but one that gets us safely in the playoffs. Thoughts?

We probably need two or three regular pro bowlers on defense, four to five quality starters on both sides of the ball, and a dozen or more solid depth players to be able to say that. Depending on the quality of coaching of course.

MacGruder
01-23-2011, 06:45 AM
I think the Broncos are much closer than people think to winning a championship. If the team is healthy this season and Tebow starts you would be surprised how things can completely turn around. Even with the injuries and Orton the Broncos were in a lot of games. The "MO" - momentum - is an amazing thing. Conversely, Orton's negative Mo, was a back breaker.

Steve Prefontaine
01-23-2011, 07:26 AM
I rather go 1 -16 with Tebow than 7 -7 with Orton...just saying.
I can't believe this isn't getting more love.

If Tebow starts, the league gives them an extra game at the end of the year to showcase his talents. If Orton starts the league punishes them by taking away two.

yerner
01-23-2011, 08:58 AM
I think the Broncos are much closer than people think to winning a championship. If the team is healthy this season and Tebow starts you would be surprised how things can completely turn around. Even with the injuries and Orton the Broncos were in a lot of games. The "MO" - momentum - is an amazing thing. Conversely, Orton's negative Mo, was a back breaker.


Puff Puff pass.

Tombstone RJ
01-23-2011, 10:25 AM
I know there have been multiple Tebow threads, but just wanted to catch the pulse of the board after our season has died down a bit. Is he the QOTF, or just another Josh mistake?

Personally, I think his intangibles will get us into the playoffs in 2-4 years, providing of course we get some defense. Is he a Super Bowl QB? Could be. Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Jeff Hostetler won titles. If those guys can do it, I think Tim is in the same talent league.

After 3 games its difficult to know if Tebow is the long term answer at QB but IMHO, he looks very promising. However, as teams get more film on him and know how to game plan around him it's gonna be difficult for him to suprise anyone. Also, transitioning to a new offense that is more traditional pro-style might be challenging to Tebow. I don't think Fox is a spread offense guy but he might allow McCoy to tweak the offense to fit Tebow's strengths. We know Fox likes to run the ball which is great but can Tebow adapt his abilities with running the offense from under the center, is still an unknown.

maven
01-23-2011, 02:34 PM
You forgot to say that tebow has no talent. I just think it's important that you post your whole opinion so that we can see how stupid you are and ignore all your opinions in the future. Like I am doing now.



Because your stupid.


Thanks!

I do not think Tebow will be a great NFL QB and I do not care if I'm on your ignore list. Have a good day.

Tim
01-23-2011, 02:45 PM
the 13 people that said no need to follow orton to his new team

OABB
01-23-2011, 02:49 PM
I do not think Tebow will be a great NFL QB and I do not care if I'm on your ignore list. Have a good day.

I do not have an ignore list. And I repspect the opinion that you have when you put it that way.

But, you said earlier that tebow doesn't have talent which makes you stupid. I'm glad you figured out not to say that again.

Because it is very very stupid.

Dedhed
01-23-2011, 02:49 PM
I don't think that whether Tebow is going to be a great QB in this league plays into the answer to this question.

At the very least we know that he is > or = to Orton. With the state that Shanahan and McDaniels left the defense in, we basically have to put every single resource we have into that side of the ball for at least the next couple of years.

So, whether Tebow turns into a stud, which I believe, or he turns out to disappoint, he is the QBOTF.

MacGruder
01-23-2011, 02:50 PM
However, as teams get more film on him and know how to game plan around him it's gonna be difficult for him to suprise anyone.

How can you surprise anyone when you have all the film teams have on Tebow? He was on one of the most high profile teams in college and played 4 years. Every flaw he has has been magnified and gone over and over. As they gain experience defending Tebow he gains experience playing them.

If anything all the film and exposure on Tebow helps him.. because he has had every flaw pointed out and ironed out.. where lesser known players fly under the radar.. like Sam Bradford.

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2011, 03:39 PM
Opening Day at Mile High with Tebow is going to be absolutely electrifying. I hope we get an AFC West opponent for the occasion.

Oh and any opposing AFC West fan who says they aren't scared ****less about the Broncos with Tebow is lying.

I agree on both of your main points. Fans of opposing teams are afraid of players like Tebow. No doubt. That fear is part of what makes people talk trash about him being a failure.

t-diddy
01-23-2011, 03:45 PM
I can't believe this isn't getting more love.

If Tebow starts, the league gives them an extra game at the end of the year to showcase his talents. If Orton starts the league punishes them by taking away two.

We won the division that year going 1-15 while everyone else in the division went 0-16... then we lost our first playoff game. Orton going 7-7 is because the CBA took a strange turn and reduced the amount of games instead of increasing them...

Come on man, its obvious. I'm surprised i had to explain this for you.

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2011, 03:45 PM
How can you surprise anyone when you have all the film teams have on Tebow? He was on one of the most high profile teams in college and played 4 years. Every flaw he has has been magnified and gone over and over. As they gain experience defending Tebow he gains experience playing them.

If anything all the film and exposure on Tebow helps him.. because he has had every flaw pointed out and ironed out.. where lesser known players fly under the radar.. like Sam Bradford.

Cherokee Sam has very few flaws. He's as complete a rookie QB as has ever been in the league.

MacGruder
01-23-2011, 03:50 PM
Cherokee Sam has very few flaws. He's as complete a rookie QB as has ever been in the league.

Then why did Tebow dominate him in the championship game in college?

Bradford couldn't even stay healthy in college in a weak conference.. how can he possibly stay healthy in the pros? Sure, he can stay healthy at the expense of not winning games but what good is that?

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2011, 03:54 PM
I think the Broncos are much closer than people think to winning a championship. If the team is healthy this season and Tebow starts you would be surprised how things can completely turn around. Even with the injuries and Orton the Broncos were in a lot of games. The "MO" - momentum - is an amazing thing. Conversely, Orton's negative Mo, was a back breaker.

The Broncos need to hit on a couple of free agents in positions where they are needed. Especially at DT.

The BBT needs to hit on a couple of draft picks as well that can provide depth at their positions.

This upcoming year, we'll see the return of Dumerville, a healthier Clady, and improvement from Beadles, Walton, D. Thomas, Decker, Cox, Sidquan, and hopefully Moreno.

I think the Broncos should keep Buckhalter, because he's a heck of a screen player and he and Tebow already have had some success together.

This team needs linebackers who can make a difference, a competent safety, two DT's who can effect a game, a two-way TE, and an every-down back. Thats alot. But if they hit on a few of those important positions (DT, LB, S) on the defense, this will become a different team. The defense will be excellent and will keep the offense afloat while Tebow works out the kinks. Hopefully this is the route that John Fox and co. see ahead of them.

driver
01-23-2011, 05:01 PM
I know there have been multiple Tebow threads, but just wanted to catch the pulse of the board after our season has died down a bit. Is he the QOTF, or just another Josh mistake?

Personally, I think his intangibles will get us into the playoffs in 2-4 years, providing of course we get some defense. Is he a Super Bowl QB? Could be. Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Jeff Hostetler won titles. If those guys can do it, I think Tim is in the same talent league.

Yes he can be the qotf, if we can bulid a defense around him and come up with
running game to balance the O. As for Tebow being in the same league with those canners, no way his potential is unlimited if we don't screw him up.

maven
01-23-2011, 05:05 PM
But, you said earlier that tebow doesn't have talent which makes you stupid. I'm glad you figured out not to say that again.

Because it is very very stupid.

I do not think he has the talent/skills in regards to throwing the football.

WolfpackGuy
01-23-2011, 05:06 PM
Nope

scttgrd
01-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Then why did Tebow dominate him in the championship game in college?

Bradford couldn't even stay healthy in college in a weak conference.. how can he possibly stay healthy in the pros? Sure, he can stay healthy at the expense of not winning games but what good is that?

Like I have said before, how many players did he have around him that were drafted in the first round? How many of the guys he played against are doing something else these days. How many NFL did caliber guys did he see in college? Troy Smith, Jason White, Matt Lienart. All Heisman trophy winners. How are their careers going in the NFL?

HorseHead
01-23-2011, 05:31 PM
Aplolgies if this has been addressed in a previous take...

Whatever your opinion of Tim may be, I can guarantee you this. If there is a lock out, you can count on that kid calling up his wr's, and working out,practicing, and getting on the same page.

scttgrd
01-23-2011, 05:38 PM
Aplolgies if this has been addressed in a previous take...

Whatever your opinion of Tim may be, I can guarantee you this. If there is a lock out, you can count on that kid calling up his wr's, and working out,practicing, and getting on the same page.

Funny how Cutler did the exact same thing, but he is a loser and quitter around here. It worked out so well for him, I can't imagine why Tebow would even try that stunt.

Inkana7
01-23-2011, 05:49 PM
Like I have said before, how many players did he have around him that were drafted in the first round? How many of the guys he played against are doing something else these days. How many NFL did caliber guys did he see in college? Troy Smith, Jason White, Matt Lienart. All Heisman trophy winners. How are their careers going in the NFL?

Offensively? 2.

Archer81
01-23-2011, 05:51 PM
Funny how Cutler did the exact same thing, but he is a loser and quitter around here. It worked out so well for him, I can't imagine why Tebow would even try that stunt.


Reading comprehension fail.

When was there a lockout in the last 6 years?

:Broncos:

scttgrd
01-23-2011, 05:57 PM
Reading comprehension fail.

When was there a lockout in the last 6 years?

:Broncos:

In the first two years he was here he met up with his receivers in Atlanta, he worked out with his teammates every year. Has Tebow done the same?

Archer81
01-23-2011, 06:02 PM
In the first two years he was here he met up with his receivers in Atlanta, he worked out with his teammates every year. Has Tebow done the same?


You said "cutler did the same exact thing", the original comment was about a potential lockout and Tebow calling up his receivers to work with them. You did not clarify your comments, and per the usual sounded like the brainchild you are.

So, you fail.


:Broncos:

driver
01-23-2011, 06:08 PM
In the first two years he was here he met up with his receivers in Atlanta, he worked out with his teammates every year. Has Tebow done the same?

I see that the big mouthed,brainless, atheistic,Tebow hater has migrated back to the Mane. Can I be the first to mark a sighting in the book? please can I?

scttgrd
01-23-2011, 06:46 PM
I see that the big mouthed,brainless, atheistic,Tebow hater has migrated back to the Mane. Can I be the first to mark a sighting in the book? please can I?

I see that yet another ignorant believer has all the answers. I guess Tebow prayed his way to two losses. When you have any kind of proof that there is anything there besides your hopeless wish I might pay some attention to your fairytale. Otherwise you might as well worship Tinkerbell, you will have about as much evidence as god.

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2011, 07:12 PM
It was just mentioned during the Steelers/Jets game that mobile pocket passers are becoming the best QB's in the NFL, and a consistent trend. They mentioned Rogers and Benburger.

Tebow fits right in.

scttgrd
01-23-2011, 07:18 PM
It was just mentioned during the Steelers/Jets game that mobile pocket passers are becoming the best QB's in the NFL, and a consistent trend. They mentioned Rogers and Benburger.

Tebow fits right in.

Except that Rodgers and Rothelsberger (sp) can actually throw. Has Tebow shown any ability to do that? And I don't mean those rainbows out of bounds on third down.

t-diddy
01-23-2011, 07:28 PM
Except that Rodgers and Rothelsberger (sp) can actually throw. Has Tebow shown any ability to do that? And I don't mean those rainbows out of bounds on third down.

Is there anything you see in Tim Tebow that you would characterize as a positive? He is the quarterback of "your" favorite team right?

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2011, 07:31 PM
Is there anything you see in Tim Tebow that you would characterize as a positive? He is the quarterback of "your" favorite team right?

He hates Christians.

Thats why he despises Tim Tebow.

Everything else that he says other than "I hate Tim Tebow because he's Christian" is just a bunch of self-delusion.

rugbythug
01-23-2011, 07:34 PM
Except that Rodgers and Rothelsberger (sp) can actually throw. Has Tebow shown any ability to do that? And I don't mean those rainbows out of bounds on third down.

Is your boyfriend get mad when you cry during sex

footstepsfrom#27
01-23-2011, 07:37 PM
Except that Rodgers and Rothelsberger (sp) can actually throw. Has Tebow shown any ability to do that? And I don't mean those rainbows out of bounds on third down.
Quit while you're behind dude as anyone can see Tebow's promise who has an open mind.

BTW...why don't you clarify the Cutler remark about meeting up with his receivers in Atlanta? Are you saying this happened in the off season? Since there was no lockout that has to be what you're saying. How exactly...do you suggest Tebow should have duplicated this since Tebow has had no off season yet...he's a rookie, duh. So exactly what was your point?

Archer81
01-23-2011, 08:26 PM
Except that Rodgers and Rothelsberger (sp) can actually throw. Has Tebow shown any ability to do that? And I don't mean those rainbows out of bounds on third down.


I'm guessing you didnt watch the last three Broncos games.


:Broncos:

OABB
01-23-2011, 08:29 PM
Scattard makes me want to covert to Christianity.