jared laughner - boogeyman

[alkemical]

Jared Laughner, while he was definitely challenged mentally in the aspect that he harmed other people out of what ever difficulties or illness he had suffered from.

But he's more than that:

He's the new boogeyman for the age we live in. We need a poster child of what to fear. We need a template. We had our template with OBL after 9/11...and now Jared Laughner is the boogieman for this era.

Look at how he is described: Conspiracy nut, pothead, didn't buy into one specific political ideology, believed in the unbelievable.

He fit everything that is outside of the "normal". With the advent of the "if you see something, say something" campaign, coupled with the "red flags" of what to look for in someone who is a threat. The lines will become more blurred as more events happen. Now, if you participate in X - and you speak freely...you could be "reported".

I'm not defending Jared, or the fact that indeed there are some clinically ill people mentally that could cause harm to others, but what I'm trying to illustrate is look how this directive is being driven home with more vigor these days.

So, if you are for living off the grid, want to grow your own food, read alternative topics, and/or smoke pot. You are a threat to the establishment, not just to others.

Just some food for thought, and please understand that I'm not endorsing the AZ shootings. I'd prefer other ways to accomplish goals that don't encourage a reaction that makes the problems we are currently facing, even more daunting.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The left bent over backwards to paint Loughner as a Tea Party member who had built a list of targets for killing from Sarah Palin's campaign material.

By insinuating that "violent rhetoric" (when the liberal media says that word they mean "Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc) influenced this guy to do these things, they are attempting to villify their opponents. All of this despite the fact that there is absolutely no link at all between any of those people I mentioned and the unstable Loughner.

They are trying as hard as they can to use this event to paint conservatives as the boogeymen.

But I see your point. I would imagine that if Loughner was a little further off the grid, that he would have been on a terrorist watch list. But in his case, it would have been appropriate in a way because of his insanity.

[Garcia Bronco]

i don't think anyone of importance views those items as a threat to society. The killer had many more signs of mental distress that local law enforcement and his family just ignored. That why it was amusing to see the sheriff say all those things when he and his staff could have stopped it.

[alkemical]

i don't think anyone of importance views those items as a threat to society. The killer had many more signs of mental distress that local law enforcement and his family just ignored. That why it was amusing to see the sheriff say all those things when he and his staff could have stopped it.

I disagree. It's all over the news on what to look for, and it directly applies to "if you see something, say something".

He's the new archetype of what to fear. OBL did the same for what a ME terrorist looks like. Now, Laughner will show what the "homegrown terrorist" is, and anything that even comes close to touching those lines will be suspect.

It's marketing.

[Garcia Bronco]

I disagree.

[alkemical]

I disagree.

That's fine, but you need to look at the construct of how language is being wielded, specifically with the confines of the "Home grown terrorism" act.

If you apply that, to model of selling a "war", you have to have a "need". Laughner is that need. He is that poster child.

You've already heard on talk radio circuits that 9/11 truthers are mentally ill. You see more and more about people who "believe" in alternative B.S. (Belief systems.)

You can disagree, but I"m pretty confident on my studies of media, language and communication.

This isn't about mental illness, this is about how to apply mental illness and letting "The State" control language.

[Obushma]

MK much?

Mugshot definitely faked or doctored.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/898/facechange.jpg

[alkemical]

MK much?

Mugshot definitely faked or doctored.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/898/facechange.jpg

I won't get too much into the MK sides of things. This is more of an observation of how the media ecology works, coupled with the "message" that is being sent.

So, while Jared Laughner was indeed mentally ill; it doesn't illustrate the need for a Boogey man that has to be marketed on what to fear:

In the age of the Homegrown Terrorism Act, with all the focus on language - we are at a precipice of directions. Listen to all the disinformation about Jared:

He was a right winger, he was a left winger, he was an anarchist, he smoked pot, he was a 9/11 truther, he WAS [Insert Red Flag of counter culture norm that breaks down (rather is reflective of the breakdown) the status quo system].

So what you have here is a list of requirements of what and WHOM the threats are. You've seen posters on this board, that say things like: "you know, you sound like a jared laughner type".

The next step of "See something", is "Say something". Which creates a culture of snitches, that is propelled by fear. Everyone watching Everyone. Everyone telling on everyone.

It's a poisoned culture at that state.


My personal opinion is that this culture BREEDS insanity. People have nothing to believe in, and when they get to that point - things begin to break down.

[TonyR]

What is this "MK" you speak of?

[alkemical]

What is this "MK" you speak of?

Mind Kontrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA) -


I just haven't had the time or energy into worrying about how any such projects are "done". Only because what you learn is obsolete. You have to adjust to when the rules change.

I figure the general populace, if an MK program is currently being implemented are about 20yrs behind the tech/methods of it.

You can just watch the political machine to see many examples of great marketing and how effective that marketing is.

[Garcia Bronco]

Jared is a terrorist uner the loose of loose definitions; pure and simple.

[Obushma]

Jared is a terrorist uner the loose of loose definitions; pure and simple.

Why did MSM doctor his mugshot Garcia?

[Garcia Bronco]

Why did MSM doctor his mugshot Garcia?

Who knows? Who cares? He pulled the trigger for poltical reasons on people at a public place. That is the very definition of terrorism; home grown or otherwise.

[alkemical]

Jared is a terrorist uner the loose of loose definitions; pure and simple.

That's my point Garcia. If you focus on the "If you see something, say something" campaign: Outlining the criteria and using Jared as a poster child of what to look for - we are all looking for potential terrorists now.

Jared presents the archetype of WHAT to look for: Politics, interests, etc.

You have to look at this with the scope of legislation provided under the HGTA, and view how it's being shown in media.

This is something that is "trending". Look at the language from Chertoff & Nepalatano. Their language indicates that "WE" are the threats.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Who knows? Who cares? He pulled the trigger for poltical reasons on people at a public place. That is the very definition of terrorism; home grown or otherwise.

He may have done it for personal reasons. He may have been disappointed in his interaction with Giffords in the past. It certainly appeared as though he had a sort of preoccupation with her.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Personally, I think that bureaucracy is much more responsible for contributing to this stuff than political rhetoric is. Bureaucracy marginalizes the individual and removes him from a community.

[alkemical]

Personally, I think that bureaucracy is much more responsible for contributing to this stuff than political rhetoric is. Bureaucracy marginalizes the individual and removes him from a community.


Society does that. The individual does not set the taboo, the community does.

[gyldenlove]

Who knows? Who cares? He pulled the trigger for poltical reasons on people at a public place. That is the very definition of terrorism; home grown or otherwise.

In that case so many things are home grown terrorrism. Any attack that is racially or religiously motivated could be said to be a political attack, as could attacks against homo sexuals. But in that case we are talking 10s of thousands of terrorrists, clearly that is not the intention with the designation.

[alkemical]

In that case so many things are home grown terrorrism. Any attack that is racially or religiously motivated could be said to be a political attack, as could attacks against homo sexuals. But in that case we are talking 10s of thousands of terrorrists, clearly that is not the intention with the designation.

Well...we do have a very robust prison industry here. What is it, 2mil are in prison, and another several hundred thousand on probation.

[NhocCuteGirlz]

The left bent over backwards to paint Loughner as a Tea Party member who had built a list of targets for killing from Sarah Palin's campaign material.



By insinuating that "violent rhetoric" (when the liberal media says that word they mean "Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc) influenced this guy to do these things, they are attempting to villify their opponents. All of this despite the fact that there is absolutely no link at all between any of those people I mentioned and the unstable Loughner.



They are trying as hard as they can to use this event to paint conservatives as the boogeymen.



But I see your point. I would imagine that if Loughner was a little further off the grid, that he would have been on a terrorist watch list. But in his case, it would have been appropriate in a way because of his insanity.
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[alkemical]

The left bent over backwards to paint Loughner as a Tea Party member who had built a list of targets for killing from Sarah Palin's campaign material.



By insinuating that "violent rhetoric" (when the liberal media says that word they mean "Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc) influenced this guy to do these things, they are attempting to villify their opponents. All of this despite the fact that there is absolutely no link at all between any of those people I mentioned and the unstable Loughner.



They are trying as hard as they can to use this event to paint conservatives as the boogeymen.



But I see your point. I would imagine that if Loughner was a little further off the grid, that he would have been on a terrorist watch list. But in his case, it would have been appropriate in a way because of his insanity.
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I'm not sure of your political disposition, but that's the direction I'm looking at. However; the direction of 'blame' isn't just to the Tea Party, the Tea Party was an inclusion to the list. If you really listen to what is being advertised as to what to watch for...it's everything in amesj's odditorium! :o)

[Kid A]

I'm not sure of your political disposition, but that's the direction I'm looking at. However; the direction of 'blame' isn't just to the Tea Party, the Tea Party was an inclusion to the list. If you really listen to what is being advertised as to what to watch for...it's everything in amesj's odditorium! :o)

I think NhocCuteGirlz is spambot because all that text is just copied from llama's first post...

[TonyR]

The left bent over backwards to paint Loughner as a Tea Party member who had built a list of targets for killing from Sarah Palin's campaign material.

How many examples can you provide of this happening? Sure people originally thought it may have been politically motivated. Why wouldn't they? But the reality is that very few people directly blamed the tea party or Palin for being responsible. They did condemn the rhetoric, but I didn't see/hear a lot of people on "the left" do what you're suggesting in your post.

[TonyR]

I think NhocCuteGirlz is spambot because all that text is just copied from llama's first post...

I wondered why that looked familiar. Unsettlingly so since epic-fail-drama-skillet originally posted it...

[orinjkrush]

not having know laughner personally, my guess is that he's neither right or left, but rather a typical angry young gen Whiner, who fried his brains on Halo, rap and dope.

but that could just be a guess.

[DenverBrit]

Why did MSM doctor his mugshot Garcia?

So he'd look like Glenn Beck? ;)

[epicSocialism4tw]

The left bent over backwards to paint Loughner as a Tea Party member who had built a list of targets for killing from Sarah Palin's campaign material.



By insinuating that "violent rhetoric" (when the liberal media says that word they mean "Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc) influenced this guy to do these things, they are attempting to villify their opponents. All of this despite the fact that there is absolutely no link at all between any of those people I mentioned and the unstable Loughner.



They are trying as hard as they can to use this event to paint conservatives as the boogeymen.



But I see your point. I would imagine that if Loughner was a little further off the grid, that he would have been on a terrorist watch list. But in his case, it would have been appropriate in a way because of his insanity.
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What a bunch of crap.

[epicSocialism4tw]

not having know laughner personally, my guess is that he's neither right or left, but rather a typical angry young gen Whiner, who fried his brains on Halo, rap and dope.

but that could just be a guess.

Thats probably about the best description I have heard.

[alkemical]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/17/obama-lone-wolf-terror-strike-biggest-concern/



see how granular this is becomming.