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epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 04:02 AM
Martin Luther King was a great man. Not just because of what he did, but because of how he did it. He led a movement of people who sought equality by appealing to the better angels of every person of every race in the world.

He did not want the conversation about race to devolve even further into violence and confusion, but to instead take place against the backdrop of higher moral principles such as kindness, justice, peace, and love. So King decided that someone should lead by example, and thats what he did. He transcended the rhetoric and the violence, and it cost him his life.

With the more time that passes by, the more impressive this man was. His legacy grows as you see his work bloom fruit in cultures all over the globe. Its almost shocking to look back and see just how much changed because he knew what to do to take the civil rights movement to the brink of fulfillment, and then to give it the final push it needed to change the hears and minds of the citizens of our country.

Thanks for teaching us all, Dr. King.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maggieoh/Mlk/mlk06.jpg

http://sheryl.org/holidays/images/mlk02.jpg


Mandatory Viewing for every American:
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Odysseus
01-17-2011, 10:01 AM
I keep forgetting about the holidays. Thanks for the reminder.

strafen
01-17-2011, 11:22 AM
I keep forgetting about the holidays. Thanks for the reminder.

I've got the day off today.
I needed it. :yayaya:
Happy MLK day!

Mile High Shack
01-17-2011, 11:37 AM
I'm somewhat shocked a great man like Martin Luther King Jr. would be looked up to by someone like you

http://www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/02-91.html

bendog
01-17-2011, 11:38 AM
The kids in Atanta have to go to school, and they're not happy.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 11:44 AM
I'm somewhat shocked a great man like Martin Luther King Jr. would be looked up to by someone like you

http://www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/02-91.html

This is exactly why Dr. King was so great. Where you chose to attack me because you dislike my political bend, Dr. King would have chose to instead appeal to the higher principles in me.

Thanks for providing that example.

bendog
01-17-2011, 11:49 AM
jmo, but it's a little hard to view MLKjr's views of anything beyond universal respect for all humans when the social and economic realities in America have changed a lot. Whether he would prefer the gerrymandered voting districts of the voting rights act or racial quotas in law schools is sort of putting the guy in a box.

Mile High Shack
01-17-2011, 11:51 AM
This is exactly why Dr. King was so great. Where you chose to attack me because you dislike my political bend, Dr. King would have chose to instead appeal to the higher principles in me.

Thanks for providing that example.

LOL anytime captain

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epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 11:56 AM
I'm not sure that mucking up an MLK day thread is the classiest thing to do there, guy.

Mile High Shack
01-17-2011, 12:24 PM
I'm not sure that mucking up an MLK day thread is the classiest thing to do there, guy.

naaa, I just like to point out your hypocrisy

^5

Tombstone RJ
01-17-2011, 12:31 PM
Martin Luther King was a great man. Not just because of what he did, but because of how he did it. He led a movement of people who sought equality by appealing to the better angels of every person of every race in the world.

He did not want the conversation about race to devolve even further into violence and confusion, but to instead take place against the backdrop of higher moral principles such as kindness, justice, peace, and love. So King decided that someone should lead by example, and thats what he did. He transcended the rhetoric and the violence, and it cost him his life.

With the more time that passes by, the more impressive this man was. His legacy grows as you see his work bloom fruit in cultures all over the globe. Its almost shocking to look back and see just how much changed because he knew what to do to take the civil rights movement to the brink of fulfillment, and then to give it the final push it needed to change the hears and minds of the citizens of our country.

Thanks for teaching us all, Dr. King.

Don't you love how MLK Jr. (a Christian minister) based all this on his Christian principles? Don't you love how modern society and the modern media loves to forget that MLK Jr. was a preacher first, and a social leader secondly.

Oh the irony. Oh the sad state of affairs of this post modern world of crap we live in.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 12:31 PM
naaa, I just like to point out your hypocrisy

Hypocrisy. Its interesting that you bring that up. Because thats exactly what you yourself, by your example, have shown in this thread.

We can all be better, right? Lets start by leaving a petty grudge out of a thread that was intended to celebrate the life and accomplishments of Martin Luther King Jr.

JJJ
01-17-2011, 12:34 PM
Smartest man in the 2nd half of the 20th century. Get past the normal sound bites and find some of his old interviews. Just amazing stuff.

bfoflcommish
01-17-2011, 12:36 PM
A few shots I took at lunch of Denver's MLK Marade

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epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 12:37 PM
Don't you love how MLK Jr. (a Christian minister) based all this on his Christian principles? Don't you love how modern society and the modern media loves to forget that MLK Jr. was a preacher first, and a social leader secondly.

Oh the irony. Oh the sad state of affairs in this post modern world of crap we live in.

It was Dr. King's Christian standing and Christian example that pried away the common American from the influence of white segregationists across the country. He spoke from a common moral perspective and gently urged people to be better.

There's a powerful irony there. Black people were viewed as inferior intellectually and behaviorally by many white people during that time. Dr. King was superior intellectually and behaviorally and his life spoke the example. Pastors caught on, and the churches across the country turned to help Dr. King. Without those folks, the civil rights movement fails due to lack of consensus.

The Civil Rights Movement was a church movement at its heart, led by a man named after Martin Luther...another freedom fighter.

There is beautiful irony and synchronicity there.

bfoflcommish
01-17-2011, 12:37 PM
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HILife
01-17-2011, 12:44 PM
LOL anytime captain

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Happy MLK day everyone! One of the greatest man among great men.

Also the look on here face is great! Plus she looks good. Yea, I want that.

Inkana7
01-17-2011, 12:52 PM
Don't you love how MLK Jr. (a Christian minister) based all this on his Christian principles? Don't you love how modern society and the modern media loves to forget that MLK Jr. was a preacher first, and a social leader secondly.

Oh the irony. Oh the sad state of affairs of this post modern world of crap we live in.

MLK also based his movement off of Ghandi's in India, who I believe once said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians."

bendog
01-17-2011, 12:54 PM
At the time, segregationists were spouting scripture as well.

Tombstone RJ
01-17-2011, 12:56 PM
It was Dr. King's Christian standing and Christian example that pried away the common American from the influence of white segregationists across the country. He spoke from a common moral perspective and gently urged people to be better.

There's a powerful irony there. Black people were viewed as inferior intellectually and behaviorally by many white people during that time. Dr. King was superior intellectually and behaviorally and his life spoke the example. Pastors caught on, and the churches across the country turned to help Dr. King. Without those folks, the civil rights movement fails due to lack of consensus.

The Civil Rights Movement was a church movement at its heart, led by a man named after Martin Luther...another freedom fighter.

There is beautiful irony and synchronicity there.

QFT. Although I don't know what is so beautiful about it. Chistian leadership built this country and it's secularists and post modern intellectuals who are systematically destroying this country. If find it tragic, but then again, I'm in the minority...

Tombstone RJ
01-17-2011, 12:59 PM
MLK also based his movement off of Ghandi's in India, who I believe once said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians."

True. Ghandi actually strongly considered becoming a Christian but he ultimately chose to become a Hindu simply because he viewed Christianity as an imperialistic religion at the time (with the English Empire). When push came to shove he chose to be a Hindu but not because he didn't see the absolute truth of Christianity.

DenverBrit
01-17-2011, 01:17 PM
True. Ghandi actually strongly considered becoming a Christian but he ultimately chose to become a Hindu simply because he viewed Christianity as an imperialistic religion at the time (with the English Empire). When push came to shove he chose to be a Hindu but not because he didn't see the absolute truth of Christianity.

Really?? Got a link?

Gandhi was born a Hindu and practised Hinduism all his life. As a common Hindu, he believed all religions to be equal, and rejected all efforts to convert him to a different faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Faith

bendog
01-17-2011, 01:18 PM
When asked why they didn't use the word God in the constitution, John Adams quipped, "We forgot!"

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 01:27 PM
MLK also based his movement off of Ghandi's in India, who I believe once said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians."

That's not a very wise quote from a wise man.

Ghandi should have known the problems in comparing the leader of a movement to its followers.

woodall
01-17-2011, 01:29 PM
"The absolute truth of Christianity"??? Please....it's a fairy tale like all religions concocted by humans who are afraid of the dark.

Tombstone RJ
01-17-2011, 01:31 PM
Really?? Got a link?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Faith

No I don't, but I thought it was in one of his biographies. Although, this is interesting and speaks about his feelings on Hindu and Christianity:

Thus if I could not accept Christianity either as a perfect, or the greatest religion, neither was I then convinced of Hinduism being such. Hindu defects were pressingly visible to me. If untouchability could be a part of Hinduism, it could but be a rotten part or an excrescence. I could not understand the raison d'κtre of a multitude of sects and castes. What was the meaning of saying that the Vedas were the inspired Word of God? If they were inspired, why not also the Bible and the Koran? As Christian friends were endeavouring to convert me, so were Muslim friends. Abdullah Seth had kept on inducing me to study Islam, and of course he had always something to say regarding its beauty.

—Gandhi's autobiography

OABB
01-17-2011, 01:31 PM
Mlk was a great man. One of the greatest to ever walk the earth. That is all.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 01:31 PM
The absolute truth of Christianity Please....it's a fairy tale like all religions concocted by humans who are afraid of the dark.

Yeah, Dr. King was afraid of the dark and needed consolation from other people who were afraid of the dark. ???

You should have more tolerance for people whose beliefs are different from your own. Especially those that you dont know very much about.

DenverBrit
01-17-2011, 01:33 PM
That's not a very wise quote from a wise man.

Ghandi should have known the problems in comparing the leader of a movement to its followers.

On the contrary, that was a very wise quote.

Many of the founding fathers....Jefferson in particular, would have agreed.

DenverBrit
01-17-2011, 01:35 PM
No I don't, but I thought it was in one of his biographies.

I believe you are thinking about this quote.


My association with Christians dates from 1889 and there was a time in my life when I sincerely considered Christianity as my religion. In my pursuit, I met many a scholars and thinkers, who while having a profound effect on me, were not able to convince me. Although I admire much in Christianity, I am unable to identify myself with the orthodox Christianity. I must tell you in all humility that Hinduism, as I know it, entirely satisfies my soul, and fills my whole being.

The missionaries come to India thinking that they come to a land of heathen, of idolaters, of men who do not know God. My own experiences all over India have been on the contrary. An average Indian is as much a seeker after truth as the Christian missionaries are, possibly more so.

Please do not flatter yourselves with the belief that a mere recital of that celebrated verse in St. John makes a man Christian. If I have read the Bible correctly, I know many men who have never known the name of Jesus Christ, men who have even rejected the official interpretations of Christianity, but would nevertheless, if Jesus came in our midst today in the flesh, be probably owned by him more than many of us. My position is that it does not matter what faith you practice, as long as the soul longs for truth.

Tombstone RJ
01-17-2011, 01:42 PM
I believe you are thinking about this quote.

fair enough. I know Ghandi thought about Chritianity simply because he was around Christians but he ultimately rejected it. What I didn't know is that he basically thought all religions were the same, that is news to me.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 02:00 PM
On the contrary, that was a very wise quote.

Many of the founding fathers....Jefferson in particular, would have agreed.

Its wise to attribute the failures of some regular people to uphold the difficult moral standards of a religion to the religion itself?

bendog
01-17-2011, 02:05 PM
It's wise to attribute to the founders the wisdom of knowing religious beliefs of any kind are not sufficient to uphold moral codes

DarkHorse
01-17-2011, 02:11 PM
Awesome, thrilled that this got it's own thread.

DenverBrit
01-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Its wise to attribute the failures of some regular people to uphold the difficult moral standards of a religion to the religion itself?

Gandhi liked Christ, he just didn't like his followers........and I doubt he meant all.
Why can't one like Christianity and not like you??
That doesn't make Christianity any less.......it just means you're a lousy representative of what a true 'Christian' should be.
Hardly groundbreaking news.


Edit: McLiar, if you're going to make a total ass of yourself, do it openly and in response to a specific post.
Hiding behind a neg rep to comment makes you appear even more psychotic and delusional than usual. Ha!

You shouldnt hold a grudge with me because I have shown you your own failures while you have been haughty on the attack. Your failures are your own.

LOL Seriously, get a grip.

Inkana7
01-17-2011, 02:42 PM
True. Ghandi actually strongly considered becoming a Christian but he ultimately chose to become a Hindu simply because he viewed Christianity as an imperialistic religion at the time (with the English Empire). When push came to shove he chose to be a Hindu but not because he didn't see the absolute truth of Christianity.

Yeah, that line pretty much sums up why I'm not a Christian.

Jason in LA
01-17-2011, 07:57 PM
I'm proud to be a member of the same fraternity as Dr. King. Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Inc.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 08:25 PM
Martin Luther King had a major impact on modern American life. I'm happy he had the impact he had.

MLK was a leader, a man that brought people together, as opposed to the other nuts that were around at that time.

Most of you were not around at that time, and I'm telling you if Martin Luther King was not putting himself out there as a speaker for unity, it could have gotten very, very ugly. You have no idea how ugly it could have gotten without Martin Luther King.

And also Cesar Chavez.

Those were bad years in the mid-60's to the early-70's. You guys don't want to see that scenario ever again.

OABB
01-17-2011, 10:59 PM
Yeah, that line pretty much sums up why I'm not a Christian.

Me too. It's wierd that someone would say that with a straight face.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2011, 11:27 PM
Martin Luther King had a major impact on modern American life. I'm happy he had the impact he had.

MLK was a leader, a man that brought people together, as opposed to the other nuts that were around at that time.

Most of you were not around at that time, and I'm telling you if Martin Luther King was not putting himself out there as a speaker for unity, it could have gotten very, very ugly. You have no idea how ugly it could have gotten without Martin Luther King.

And also Cesar Chavez.

Those were bad years in the mid-60's to the early-70's. You guys don't want to see that scenario ever again.

The more years go by, the more impressive that Dr. King's accomplishments become in the light of history.

He basically turned an impending war into hand-holding and hymn-singing. It blows my mind. He almost deserves a face on mount rushmore. Its as impressive an accomplishment that has ever happened in America, and its fruits are seen all over the world.

Odysseus
01-18-2011, 01:41 AM
MLK also based his movement off of Ghandi's in India, who I believe once said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians."

Ghandi was definitely an inspirational man. He created a massive country which I am sure he would be proud of today. It is too bad that a Muslim assassinated him.

I wonder what MLK would say about the kids of today. There was an episode from an Animation (Boondocks) series that speculated about this. It was funny as hell.

Odysseus
01-18-2011, 01:51 AM
At the time, segregationists were spouting scripture as well.

EXTREMELY valid point! In their opinion MLK was a usurper. He was such an offense to people in those days it is hard to imagine that kind of hard core racism today. I guess we have replaced that with hating political parties.

People forget that he was a Republican and many of ideals about helping the poor, even today, were not popular.

What is striking to note is that anyone who went against the war machine was martyred.

woodall
01-18-2011, 07:51 AM
Yeah, Dr. King was afraid of the dark and needed consolation from other people who were afraid of the dark. ???

You should have more tolerance for people whose beliefs are different from your own. Especially those that you dont know very much about.

I have nothing but respect and admiration for Dr. King and I know quite a bit about his life and beliefs. My jab at Christians was toward Christians like you who believe Christianity contains ultimate truth when that concept is utterly ridiculous. The Bible teaches that the Earth is 6,000 years old. Enough said.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 08:24 AM
I have nothing but respect and admiration for Dr. King and I know quite a bit about his life and beliefs. My jab at Christians was toward Christians like you who believe Christianity contains ultimate truth when that concept is utterly ridiculous. The Bible teaches that the Earth is 6,000 years old. Enough said.

You dont know very much about the bible it seems. Enough said.

DenverBrit
01-18-2011, 08:39 AM
You dont know very much about the bible it seems. Enough said.

And you don't seem understand that reading the Bible doesn't make one a Christian.

Enough said!

Oh, and keep your replies in public, your rep responses are a little creepy....even for you.

Mogulseeker
01-18-2011, 08:45 AM
MLK was a socialist and Nixon had him on the FBI watch list for his opposition to Vietnam.

Just saying.

Rohirrim
01-18-2011, 08:50 AM
Trust me, if MLK was alive today, the Right Wingers would not be celebrating his greatness. They celebrate him now based more on relief that he's gone. Ha!

Mogulseeker
01-18-2011, 10:17 AM
Trust me, if MLK was alive today, the Right Wingers would not be celebrating his greatness. They celebrate him now based more on relief that he's gone. Ha!

My last post was maybe a little incendiary. Just think its funny that this thread - about MLK - was started by one of those paranoid tea bagger types.

I honestly didn't agree with a lot of MLKs politics, but I respect his legacy, and obviously the world is a better place because of what he has done.

Honestly, I don't know who we'll look back on now and say, "wow he was ahead of this time" like MLK... but I guarantee it's someone that the tea party hates.

BroncoLifer
01-18-2011, 10:25 AM
Honestly, I don't know who we'll look back on now and say, "wow he was ahead of this time" like MLK... but I guarantee it's someone that the tea party hates.

You don't know yet you can guarantee. Logic at its finest.

cutthemdown
01-18-2011, 10:42 AM
boring holiday

cutthemdown
01-18-2011, 10:43 AM
They should play roots every MLK day on BET.

cutthemdown
01-18-2011, 10:44 AM
It's Palin that is ahead of her time. :)

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 12:29 PM
My last post was maybe a little incendiary. Just think its funny that this thread - about MLK - was started by one of those paranoid tea bagger types.

I honestly didn't agree with a lot of MLKs politics, but I respect his legacy, and obviously the world is a better place because of what he has done.

Honestly, I don't know who we'll look back on now and say, "wow he was ahead of this time" like MLK... but I guarantee it's someone that the tea party hates.

And yet its the left-wing zealots who have tried to ruin a thread celebrating Dr, King's life by drawing lines and advocating division.

Odd juxtaposition, dont you think?

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 12:31 PM
It's Palin that is ahead of her time.

She's the first female politician to frighten an entire party so badly that they spend all their time drumming up lies and attacking her through the media, so yeah...she is ahead of her time. She's the first female politician to be treated like a dominant male politician.

Mile High Shack
01-18-2011, 12:43 PM
She's the first female politician to frighten an entire party so badly that they spend all their time drumming up lies and attacking her through the media, so yeah...she is ahead of her time. She's the first female politician to be treated like a dominant male politician.

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TonyR
01-18-2011, 12:49 PM
She's the first female politician to frighten an entire party so badly that they spend all their time drumming up lies and attacking her through the media...

LOL Good thing Sarah Palin never tells any lies. Oh, wait.............

woodall
01-18-2011, 01:07 PM
You dont know very much about the bible it seems. Enough said.

"Most estimates based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, and in particular the belief that the Hebrew word : "yom" in Genesis refers to a 24 hour day, cluster around 6,000 years :' 2,000 years for both the age of the Earth and of the rest of the universe. These estimates are promoted by young-Earth creationists, and by the vast majority of Christian para-church organizations which specialize in origins. In 1738, De Vignoles stated that he had accumulated no fewer than 200 computations of the date of creation, all based upon various diverse interpretations of the Bible."

You were saying......

OABB
01-18-2011, 01:08 PM
She's the first female politician to frighten an entire party so badly that they spend all their time drumming up lies and attacking her through the media, so yeah...she is ahead of her time. She's the first female politician to be treated like a dominant male politician.

I wanna **** the stupid out of Palin.

Rohirrim
01-18-2011, 01:19 PM
Palin announced today that nobody is going to shut her up.








Her husband is sitting there thinking, "No ****."

Odysseus
01-18-2011, 01:21 PM
Trust me, if MLK was alive today, the Right Wingers would not be celebrating his greatness. They celebrate him now based more on relief that he's gone. Ha!

:strong: "The force is strong with this one." -- Darth Vadar :strong:

footstepsfrom#27
01-18-2011, 02:11 PM
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Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Wonderful! LOL

DenverBrit
01-18-2011, 02:15 PM
I wanna **** the stupid out of Palin.

You'll end up being called 'stumpy' and she'll still be as dumb as a box of rocks.

But I applaud your objective. Ha!

JJJ
01-18-2011, 02:22 PM
Trust me, if MLK was alive today, the Right Wingers would not be celebrating his greatness. They celebrate him now based more on relief that he's gone. Ha!

Why?

It was the left that opposed civil rights. Your good Senator Byrd especially. 18 Democrats led the fillibuster against the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Here is how the votes went:

By party
The original House version:
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

The Senate version:
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)

And a similiar voting pattern for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Senate: 77–19
Democrats: 47–17 (73%-27%)
Republicans: 30–2 (94%-6%)

House: 333–85
Democrats: 221–61 (78%-22%)
Republicans: 112–24 (82%-18%)

Conference Report:
Senate: 79–18
Democrats: 49–17 (74%-26%)
Republicans: 30–1 (97%-3%)

House: 328–74
Democrats: 217–54 (83%-17%)
Republicans: 111–20 (85%-15%)

So every major vote on the two fundamental pieces of civil rights legislation was supported more by the GOP than the Dems by a good margin.

It was the Party of Lincoln freed the slaves in the first place remember?

And MLK's neice likes to hang with Glenn Beck.

Have fun in your dream world.

Rohirrim
01-18-2011, 02:52 PM
Why?

It was the left that opposed civil rights. Your good Senator Byrd especially. 18 Democrats led the fillibuster against the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Here is how the votes went:

By party
The original House version:
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

The Senate version:
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)

And a similiar voting pattern for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Senate: 77–19
Democrats: 47–17 (73%-27%)
Republicans: 30–2 (94%-6%)

House: 333–85
Democrats: 221–61 (78%-22%)
Republicans: 112–24 (82%-18%)

Conference Report:
Senate: 79–18
Democrats: 49–17 (74%-26%)
Republicans: 30–1 (97%-3%)

House: 328–74
Democrats: 217–54 (83%-17%)
Republicans: 111–20 (85%-15%)

So every major vote on the two fundamental pieces of civil rights legislation was supported more by the GOP than the Dems by a good margin.

It was the Party of Lincoln freed the slaves in the first place remember?

And MLK's neice likes to hang with Glenn Beck.

Have fun in your dream world.

I didn't say "Republicans." I said "Right Wingers." You also don't mention that it was JFK's bill, pushed through Congress by LBJ, over the howls of the dixiecrats, who are now all Republicans. I guess once they got all those water systems, telephones, roads, and everything else the Dems were building for them for decades, those dixiecrats suddenly realized they weren't really democrats after all. Imagine that?

DivineBronco
01-18-2011, 03:24 PM
"Most estimates based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, and in particular the belief that the Hebrew word : "yom" in Genesis refers to a 24 hour day, cluster around 6,000 years :' 2,000 years for both the age of the Earth and of the rest of the universe. These estimates are promoted by young-Earth creationists, and by the vast majority of Christian para-church organizations which specialize in origins. In 1738, De Vignoles stated that he had accumulated no fewer than 200 computations of the date of creation, all based upon various diverse interpretations of the Bible."

You were saying......

math is the devil.......buuuuuuuuuuurn it
I am sure we are missing something obvious like...."well god did math different"....can't wait to hear the response

Mr.Meanie
01-18-2011, 03:25 PM
It was Dr. King's Christian standing and Christian example that pried away the common American from the influence of white segregationists across the country. He spoke from a common moral perspective and gently urged people to be better.

Weren't the white segregationists also Christians?

Inkana7
01-18-2011, 03:28 PM
Why?

It was the left that opposed civil rights. Your good Senator Byrd especially. 18 Democrats led the fillibuster against the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Here is how the votes went:

By party
The original House version:
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

The Senate version:
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)

And a similiar voting pattern for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Senate: 77–19
Democrats: 47–17 (73%-27%)
Republicans: 30–2 (94%-6%)

House: 333–85
Democrats: 221–61 (78%-22%)
Republicans: 112–24 (82%-18%)

Conference Report:
Senate: 79–18
Democrats: 49–17 (74%-26%)
Republicans: 30–1 (97%-3%)

House: 328–74
Democrats: 217–54 (83%-17%)
Republicans: 111–20 (85%-15%)

So every major vote on the two fundamental pieces of civil rights legislation was supported more by the GOP than the Dems by a good margin.

It was the Party of Lincoln freed the slaves in the first place remember?

And MLK's neice likes to hang with Glenn Beck.

Have fun in your dream world.

That's a whole lot of research just to totally overlook the fact that the Democrats were the Right Wingers in those days.

JJJ
01-18-2011, 04:14 PM
I didn't say "Republicans." I said "Right Wingers." You also don't mention that it was JFK's bill, pushed through Congress by LBJ, over the howls of the dixiecrats, who are now all Republicans. I guess once they got all those water systems, telephones, roads, and everything else the Dems were building for them for decades, those dixiecrats suddenly realized they weren't really democrats after all. Imagine that?

Ha! Strom Thurmond and Albert Watson were the only ones who switched to become Republicans. If you know of others please list them.

Byrd became your party leader in the senate for decades.

Hey do you remember that Democratic presidential candidate who was also a segregationist, George Wallace was I think his name. You had torch bearing segregationists with hoods well into the 70's leading your party.

And don't forget Al Gore Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act. Yes, he was against it before he was for it.

As you can see the vast overwhelming majority of the Republicans as evidenced by the votes, even if one or two segregationists turned Republican (and Thurmond did it before the '65 vote), voted for the civil rights bills. Your little imagined flux of Dixiecrats wouldn't change the flavor of the vote by any margin.

Yet you guys still like to paint the GOP nearly daily as full of right wing nutjobs and the Dems as the ones who ushered in civil rights. The facts, however, speak for themselves, as say otherwise. Another modern myth fully debunked.

JJJ
01-18-2011, 04:17 PM
Weren't the white segregationists also Christians?

As were 90% of the congressmen who voted on those bills. What is your point?

TonyR
01-18-2011, 05:36 PM
Yet you guys still like to paint the GOP nearly daily as full of right wing nutjobs...

The "you guys" you're referring are talking about the modern day GOP which shamelessly panders to the Christianist right. I link below for you a very recent example of this. Open your eyes, triple J. Today's GOP is no longer remotely truely conservative. It's a fraud. You think today's GOP would champion civil rights? If so you're not paying attention.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/pawlentys-ally.html

Kid A
01-18-2011, 05:49 PM
She's the first female politician to frighten an entire party so badly that they spend all their time drumming up lies and attacking her through the media, so yeah...she is ahead of her time. She's the first female politician to be treated like a dominant male politician.

Have you watched cable news or been in a bookstore in the last 20 years?

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/06/22/clinton-book-inside.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519FTZRE64L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/94/4f/7450820dd7a041882c0dd010.L._AA300_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511C3R2TAAL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 05:53 PM
Weren't the white segregationists also Christians?

Some of them were, yes.

The populace was divided against itself. Its too simplistic to say that "the white segregationalists were Christians", because if there werent white Christians who were opposed to segregation, Dr. King's most powerful speeches and actions would not have had the same effect.

He was appealing to pastors and churches to look the problem in the eye, and to distance themselves from the segregationists.

DenverBrit
01-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Weren't the white segregationists also Christians?

There's an oxymoron in that description.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 06:01 PM
Have you watched cable news or been in a bookstore in the last 20 years?

Hillary Clinton's political genesis was as the tag-along sidekick to the playboy president. Her whole political career could be described as the accumulation of years of sympathy votes.

Thats quite different from Palin's grass-roots origins before the republican party tapped her to be the strength in John McCain's ragged-old-guy campaign. That was followed by years of media attention that has far exceeded anything that Hillary Clinton has ever personally received as a politician.

HorseHead
01-18-2011, 06:14 PM
I thought this was an MLK thread...

peacepipe
01-18-2011, 06:17 PM
Hillary Clinton's political genesis was as the tag-along sidekick to the playboy president. Her whole political career could be described as the accumulation of years of sympathy votes.

Thats quite different from Palin's grass-roots origins before the republican party tapped her to be the strength in John McCain's ragged-old-guy campaign. That was followed by years of media attention that has far exceeded anything that Hillary Clinton has ever personally received as a politician.

Bull****! Your just pissed off that palin couldn't hold Hillarys jock strap.

Kid A
01-18-2011, 06:26 PM
Hillary Clinton's political genesis was as the tag-along sidekick to the playboy president. Her whole political career could be described as the accumulation of years of sympathy votes.

Thats quite different from Palin's grass-roots origins before the republican party tapped her to be the strength in John McCain's ragged-old-guy campaign. That was followed by years of media attention that has far exceeded anything that Hillary Clinton has ever personally received as a politician.

Career origins have no bearing on whether or not Clinton was treated like a "dominant male politician" or was the center of partisan obsession/attacks. She clearly was. Name me five more talked about, written about, hated American political figures since she/Bill came on the scene. Bush, Bill , Gore, maybe Cheney? Outside those guys at the very top, almost nobody came close to her notoriety amongst partisans.

Only with Obama and Pelosi holding more prominent positions in recent years has the right's obsession with her has shifted, but just thinking back to pre-08 election she was by far the more hated Democrat figure by the right beforehand (Obama was still unknown by much of the country until that summer). Again, only her husband and Al Gore came close to generating as many attacking books, columns, radio rants, etc. from the right during that time. She was branded as the face of everything the right wing hated for years, well above almost any other liberal politician, male or female.

To claim Palin is the 1st female politician to 1) get "dominant male politician" level attention or 2) face constant attacks through the media is ludicrous. Very different political careers in most ways, but I'm not sure how you can deny this aspect of it.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 06:48 PM
Career origins have no bearing on whether or not Clinton was treated like a "dominant male politician" or was the center of partisan obsession/attacks. She clearly was. Name me five more talked about, written about, hated American political figures since she/Bill came on the scene. Bush, Bill , Gore, maybe Cheney? Outside those guys at the very top, almost nobody came close to her notoriety amongst partisans.

Sarah Palin.

And its not even close.

To claim Palin is the 1st female politician to 1) get "dominant male politician" level attention or 2) face constant attacks through the media is ludicrous. Very different political careers in most ways, but I'm not sure how you can deny this aspect of it.

There has never been another female politician in the United States who has become the partisan lightning rod that Sarah Palin is. The leftist media has never said a good word about her, but they force her into conversations that she never intended to be part of; i.e. the Arizona shooting. Nothing like that has befallen Billary or any other female politician in my lifetime, and its questionable that it has ever happened to a female politician in American history.

fdf
01-18-2011, 06:49 PM
Martin Luther King was a great man. Not just because of what he did, but because of how he did it. He led a movement of people who sought equality by appealing to the better angels of every person of every race in the world.

He did not want the conversation about race to devolve even further into violence and confusion, but to instead take place against the backdrop of higher moral principles such as kindness, justice, peace, and love. So King decided that someone should lead by example, and thats what he did. He transcended the rhetoric and the violence, and it cost him his life.

With the more time that passes by, the more impressive this man was. His legacy grows as you see his work bloom fruit in cultures all over the globe. Its almost shocking to look back and see just how much changed because he knew what to do to take the civil rights movement to the brink of fulfillment, and then to give it the final push it needed to change the hears and minds of the citizens of our country.

Thanks for teaching us all, Dr. King.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maggieoh/Mlk/mlk06.jpg

http://sheryl.org/holidays/images/mlk02.jpg


Mandatory Viewing for every American:
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The Reverend King was a Republican.

Rohirrim
01-18-2011, 07:11 PM
Bull****! Your just pissed off that palin couldn't hold Hillarys jock strap.

That depends. I think Palin would take her in fancy pageant walking.

HorseHead
01-18-2011, 07:13 PM
"epic.."- since when did Palin become a politician? You're joking right? Are you pulling a Gervais on us?

TonyR
01-18-2011, 07:17 PM
...but they force her into conversations that she never intended to be part of; i.e. the Arizona shooting.

They forced her to come out and play the victim? While people were mourning the deaths of their family members? But she's the victim? Boo hoo.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 07:20 PM
"epic.."- since when did Palin become a politician? You're joking right? Are you pulling a Gervais on us?

http://www.themightyginge.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/LOL-WUT.jpg

HorseHead
01-18-2011, 07:25 PM
great pic., you better hurry up and get back upstairs, your Mom says your Hot Pockets are out of the microwave...

Rohirrim
01-18-2011, 07:26 PM
The Reverend King was a Republican.

Why look! Why I think... yes, it is! It's :bs:

Next, we wondered what the King Center in Atlanta, founded by King's wife, the late Coretta Scott King, had to say about his partisanship. In 2008, Steve Klein, the center's communications director, told the National Journal that "there is absolutely no confirmation that (King) was a Republican. ... He was never a member of any political party — and never formally endorsed any candidates."

Ouch!

The 2008 AP story about the Florida and South Carolina billboards included a statement from King's son, Martin Luther King III: "It is disingenuous to imply that my father was a Republican. He never endorsed any presidential candidate, and there is certainly no evidence that he ever even voted for a Republican. It is even more outrageous to suggest that he would support the Republican Party of today, which has spent so much time and effort trying to suppress African American votes in Florida and many other states."

Yikes!

http://politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jan/17/raging-elephants/houston-group-says-martin-luther-king-jr-was-repub/

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 07:28 PM
They forced her to come out and play the victim? While people were mourning the deaths of their family members? But she's the victim? Boo hoo.

Play the victim? You yourself were part of the lynch mob that stormed her gates immediately after the shooting. It was YOU and your party that jumped the gun without facts and started pinning that murder on Palin while people were still bleeding. It was you all that victimized Palin. And then you are so classless that you still attack her when she responds 4 days later.

Here's the proof:

Tony R joins the fanatic witch hunt of Sarah Palin:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3076867&postcount=44
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3076882&postcount=46

and the Tea Party
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3076879&postcount=45

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 07:32 PM
great pic., you better hurry up and get back upstairs, your Mom says your Hot Pockets are out of the microwave...

Moms, hot pockets, and microwaves?

You must have had a "different" youth experience.

Rohirrim
01-18-2011, 07:34 PM
Play the victim? You yourself were part of the lynch mob that stormed her gates immediately after the shooting. It was YOU and your party that jumped the gun without facts and started pinning that murder on Palin while people were still bleeding. It was you all that victimized Palin. And then you are so classless that you still attack her when she responds 4 days later.

Here's the proof:

Tony R joins the fanatic witch hunt of Sarah Palin:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3076867&postcount=44
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3076882&postcount=46

and the Tea Party
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3076879&postcount=45

Drama Llama, the king of hyperbole, strikes again. Read these posts he refers to and then read what the Llama takes from it:

It was YOU and your party that jumped the gun without facts and started pinning that murder on Palin while people were still bleeding. It was you all that victimized Palin.

This is actually hysterical. And I mean "hysterical" in the old term where you'd have to be fanned off and sedated. :rofl:

HorseHead
01-18-2011, 07:37 PM
somebody has a crush on Bristol's Mama....

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2011, 07:38 PM
Drama Llama, the king of hyperbole, strikes again. Read these posts he refers to and then read what the Llama takes from it:

It was YOU and your party that jumped the gun without facts and started pinning that murder on Palin while people were still bleeding. It was you all that victimized Palin.

This is actually hysterical. And I mean "hysterical" in the old term where you'd have to be fanned off and sedated. :rofl:

You're just tired of the fact that I have exposed you as what you are here over and over again.

You yourself said that you cant wait until the political climate turns into a Civil War...that you cant wait to kill your own fellow Americans. And you also said that you wanted Sarah Palin to die a horrible death.

It shouldnt come as any surprise to anyone that reads this thread that you would say such things, as it is the behavior that you have shown here for a long time.

Hypocrite.

HorseHead
01-18-2011, 07:40 PM
I love it, the guy starts an MLK thread, and it ends up with this dip sh-t...

My man, her "Q" rating is dropping faster than Charlie Sheen's pants on, well, any day of the week...

Rohirrim
01-18-2011, 07:46 PM
You're just tired of the fact that I have exposed you as what you are here over and over again.

You yourself said that you cant wait until the political climate turns into a Civil War...that you cant wait to kill your own fellow Americans. And you also said that you wanted Sarah Palin to die a horrible death.

It shouldnt come as any surprise to anyone that reads this thread that you would say such things, as it is the behavior that you have shown here for a long time.

Hypocrite.

Besides being a drama queen, you're a liar. Man, Slap had your number down to a tee:

And the Number 1 Forum Loser for the Summer of 2006: Angry Llama

Why he sucks: Biggest drama king on the Mane. Biggest poser on the Mane. Bizarre compulsion to immerse himself in mindless hype over this week's favorite athlete. Author of spectacular hissy fit meltdowns when his teams inevitably choke. No sense of perspective or slightest inkling of how he's perceived on this board.

Defining moment: Predicting a sweep for the Mavs in The Finals and then disappearing for several days after they inevitably choked.

Good points: His transparent and pretentious affectations, and inability to handle defeat like an adult, make him ripe for parody.

Potential for redemption: I hope he never changes.

ghwk
01-18-2011, 08:46 PM
I went the the gun range and shot rifles and pistols. Are we back on topic now? Hilarious!

woodall
01-19-2011, 07:04 AM
math is the devil.......buuuuuuuuuuurn it
I am sure we are missing something obvious like...."well god did math different"....can't wait to hear the response

For the record, I think the Bible is ridiculous and the concept of a 6,000 year old Earth is embarrassing.

TonyR
01-19-2011, 07:14 AM
Drama Llama, the king of hyperbole, strikes again. Read these posts he refers to and then read what the Llama takes from it:

It was YOU and your party that jumped the gun without facts and started pinning that murder on Palin while people were still bleeding. It was you all that victimized Palin.

This is actually hysterical. And I mean "hysterical" in the old term where you'd have to be fanned off and sedated. :rofl:

Yup, I've pointed out to him multiple times that everything I posted was factual and I added no opinion or commentary. And I never directly or indirectly assigned blame to anyone.

Rohirrim
01-19-2011, 07:36 AM
Yup, I've pointed out to him multiple times that everything I posted was factual and I added no opinion or commentary. And I never directly or indirectly assigned blame to anyone.

Yep. He sounds like that "Leave Brittany alone!" guy. Girl. Guy. :kiddingme