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Dutch
01-14-2011, 08:23 AM
http://www.tidesports.com/article/20110113/NEWS/110119844/1011?Title=Alabama-s-Sunseri-in-contact-with-Broncos-for-opening

Could mean Marcel Dareus with the #2 pick.

Could also mean we are staying with a 3-4.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 08:33 AM
http://www.tidesports.com/article/20110113/NEWS/110119844/1011?Title=Alabama-s-Sunseri-in-contact-with-Broncos-for-opening

Could mean Marcel Dareus with the #2 pick.

Could also mean we are staying with a 3-4.

I'm going to be seriously disappointed if we don't go with the 4-3. That's what Fox's teams are known for. If we stick with the 3-4 we are going to be much more reliant on a getting a great DC, and I'm not sure there are any to be had at the moment. Honestly it just doesn't make any sense. There isn't anything worth going out of our way to save with this garbage defense.

And Dareus at #2 would be an epic reach.

Los Broncos
01-14-2011, 08:36 AM
Didn't take very long for Fox to get to work.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-14-2011, 08:38 AM
He was Carolina's D-line coach for a number of years, running the 4-3

BroncosMT
01-14-2011, 08:39 AM
Didn't take very long for Fox to get to work.

I like that he is rollin' right now putting his staff together....

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 08:40 AM
He was Carolina's D-line coach for a number of years, running the 4-3

Ah...good to know. I suppose there's quite a bit of technique crossover anyway.

Bigdawg26
01-14-2011, 08:40 AM
I would take him and dareus if we can trade back get some picks and get em! And if Farley is taken.

HooptyHoops
01-14-2011, 08:41 AM
So, he can coach 4-3 and 3-4....I like it!

Smiling Assassin27
01-14-2011, 08:41 AM
Hey, if Fox can get Nick Saban to run the defense and has to bring Sal along, so be it. ;)

Dr. Broncenstein
01-14-2011, 08:42 AM
I'm going to be seriously disappointed if we don't go with the 4-3. That's what Fox's teams are known for. If we stick with the 3-4 we are going to be much more reliant on a getting a great DC, and I'm not sure there are any to be had at the moment. Honestly it just doesn't make any sense. There isn't anything worth going out of our way to save with this garbage defense.

And Dareus at #2 would be an epic reach.

Don't let facts get in the way of this post.

Smilin Assassin
01-14-2011, 08:42 AM
Could mean Marcel Dareus with the #2 pick.

Could also mean we are staying with a 3-4.

He also saw Nick Fairley against his team and the havoc he could bring.

I don't think he'd mind coaching him over one of his own players.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 08:44 AM
Don't let facts get in the way of this post.

Err...care to elaborate? Or are you just one of those one line posters that has nothing to actually say?

oubronco
01-14-2011, 08:48 AM
I like that he is rollin' right now putting his staff together....

Is Jim mora Jr going to be the dc

UberBroncoMan
01-14-2011, 08:49 AM
I'm going to be seriously disappointed if we don't go with the 4-3. That's what Fox's teams are known for. If we stick with the 3-4 we are going to be much more reliant on a getting a great DC, and I'm not sure there are any to be had at the moment. Honestly it just doesn't make any sense. There isn't anything worth going out of our way to save with this garbage defense.

And Dareus at #2 would be an epic reach.

You don't really think a defensive guy who's been in the league as long as Fox doesn't know how to do a 3-4 well do you? We'll be fine if we stay with it.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-14-2011, 08:50 AM
Err...care to elaborate? Or are you just one of those one line posters that has nothing to actually say?

Sunseri has a six year history of coaching a 4-3 D Line with Fox. Fox is the guy the Broncos just hired as head coach in case you didn't know that as well.

Rohirrim
01-14-2011, 08:50 AM
Err...care to elaborate? Or are you just one of those one line posters that has nothing to actually say?

Hint: Sunseri under Saban has been on a coaching staff running a very successful 3-4 at Alabama.

MABroncoFan
01-14-2011, 08:58 AM
From checking the draft value chart, we could possibly trade down to say #4 or 5, still get a top pick like Dareus, and pick up a 2nd and 3rd on top of it.

Reportedly Fairley is going to announce he's coming out for the draft today.

crowebomber
01-14-2011, 08:58 AM
You don't really think a defensive guy who's been in the league as long as Fox doesn't know how to do a 3-4 well do you? We'll be fine if we stay with it.

I know! Didn't we have this discussion last year? Defensive coordinators know how to run both and most defenses aren't 100 percent either way anyway.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:07 AM
You don't really think a defensive guy who's been in the league as long as Fox doesn't know how to do a 3-4 well do you? We'll be fine if we stay with it.

No I don't. Just like I don't think Shanny could run a spread option offense well, or a power I. Could he run them? Sure. Well? No.

In general it doesn't make sense to hire a coach that is an expert in one thing so he can do something completely different. Unless you like taking the long odds just for the hell of it.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:08 AM
Sunseri has a six year history of coaching a 4-3 D Line with Fox. Fox is the guy the Broncos just hired as head coach in case you didn't know that as well.

Yes this was revealed after my post, and I acknowledged it. I didn't know the guy's background, so it wasn't something I was aware of.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:11 AM
I know! Didn't we have this discussion last year? Defensive coordinators know how to run both and most defenses aren't 100 percent either way anyway.

Huh? Very few dedicated 4-3 defenses ever run 3-4 packages (the opposite is not quite so true). Most 4-3 coaches have only a theoretical knowledge of 3-4's and would struggle mightily replicating equal results without a few years entrenched in the system. This is silly.

ColoradoDarin
01-14-2011, 09:11 AM
Don't let facts get in the way of this post.

Right! No need to look up any info on the guy, I've got a post count to get up!

Inkana7
01-14-2011, 09:12 AM
Good. Sunseri is one hell of a coach.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:13 AM
Right! No need to look up any info on the guy, I've got a post count to get up!

Such pettiness...

ColoradoDarin
01-14-2011, 09:16 AM
Such pettiness...

FNG hazing :)

BroncosMT
01-14-2011, 09:17 AM
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sunseri_sal00.html

Tombstone RJ
01-14-2011, 09:18 AM
http://www.tidesports.com/article/20110113/NEWS/110119844/1011?Title=Alabama-s-Sunseri-in-contact-with-Broncos-for-opening

Could mean Marcel Dareus with the #2 pick.

Could also mean we are staying with a 3-4.

sign him up John!

Dr. Broncenstein
01-14-2011, 09:20 AM
61 posts per day average. That is 3.8 posts per awake hour given 8 hours for sleep, every single day.

schaaf
01-14-2011, 09:21 AM
I would not mind this at all. Bring him in Fox

Rohirrim
01-14-2011, 09:21 AM
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sunseri_sal00.html

Favorite line from that article: Sunseri's NFL experience with the pass rush helped Alabama greatly increase production in that area.

PRBronco
01-14-2011, 09:22 AM
61 posts per day average. That is 3.8 posts per awake hour given 8 hours for sleep, every single day.

lex-like.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:23 AM
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sunseri_sal00.html

Looks like an outstanding coach. Not sure the move would be much of step up though looking at where he's at. As it is, he's likely on his way to a college HC gig, so unless he really wants to come back to the NFL, I'm not sure it's going to happen.

BroncosMT
01-14-2011, 09:23 AM
"Sunseri's defensive line with the Panthers was regarded as one of the best in the NFL. Defensive end Julius Peppers, defensive end Mike Rucker and defensive tackle Kris Jenkins earned Pro Bowl honors during Sunseri's tenure. He produced at least one Pro Bowl defensive lineman in five of six seasons as defensive line coach. The Panthers were among the top 10 in the NFL in terms of fewest yards allowed in four of his seven seasons and made three playoff appearances. "

I liked that part too

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:24 AM
61 posts per day average. That is 3.8 posts per awake hour given 8 hours for sleep, every single day.

Since most my posts are just a few sentences it hardly takes that long.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:26 AM
What's funny to me is how man posters on this board count my posts. No one would've ever noticed where I used to post. It's odd.

ColoradoDarin
01-14-2011, 09:27 AM
What's funny to me is how man posters on this board count my posts. No one would've ever noticed where I used to post. It's odd.

You have a post count right under your name there
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And then we can click you name and get the other post stats. What's odd is a FNG coming in and acting like he's been there for 10 years.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-14-2011, 09:29 AM
Since most my posts are just a few sentences it hardly takes that long.

Completely honest question: what else do you do besides post non-stop on the Orange Mane? You are literally averaging a post every 15 minutes of every waking hour.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:30 AM
You have a post count right under your name there
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And then we can click you name and get the other post stats. What's odd is a FNG coming in and acting like he's been there for 10 years.

Yes, but a person actually has to open my profile and look at my posts per day.

As far as acting like I've been here 10 years, I don't know what that means. I've been a Broncos fan for 25+ years, and seeing as this is a Broncos board I'm not sure why I should feel any other way.

schaaf
01-14-2011, 09:32 AM
question
Before last year who was the last broncos D-Lineman to make the probowl?

ColoradoDarin
01-14-2011, 09:32 AM
Yes, but a person actually has to open my profile and look at my posts per day.

As far as acting like I've been here 10 years, I don't know what that means. I've been a Broncos fan for 25+ years, and seeing as this is a Broncos board I'm not sure why I should feel any other way.

When you have conversations with new people are they different than people who you have known for a long time?

BroncosMT
01-14-2011, 09:33 AM
I think this guy would be a grat hire for our staff....make it happen Fox

ColoradoDarin
01-14-2011, 09:34 AM
question
Before last year who was the last broncos D-Lineman to make the probowl?

Trevor Pryce if I have to guess. I don't think any of the Browncos made it.

PRBronco
01-14-2011, 09:34 AM
question
Before last year who was the last broncos D-Lineman to make the probowl?

Pryce?

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:35 AM
Completely honest question: what else do you do besides post non-stop on the Orange Mane? You are literally averaging a post every 15 minutes of every waking hour.

I presently drive a cab. But there was a massive cluster**** to the fleet during new years (ice and stupid cab drivers don't mix), and so I've been left psuedo-unemployed for the last few weeks while they fix ****. I don't own a cab, and am only doing it temporarily so I've basically gotten screwed. I've also had the flu. It's been a grand time.

Anyway with all the craziness surrounding the Broncos right now, and my current circumstances this is one of my diversions.

Thanks for asking. ;D

schaaf
01-14-2011, 09:35 AM
damn that was a long time ago.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 09:36 AM
When you have conversations with new people are they different than people who you have known for a long time?

In person? Sure. On a message board? Well it's a message board.

Shoemaker
01-14-2011, 09:36 AM
The last new guy I remember here who posted this often from the very beginning was CasinoRoyal.

I really hope Agamemnon turns out better than him, at least.

BroncosMT
01-14-2011, 09:36 AM
Trevor Pryce if I have to guess. I don't think any of the Browncos made it.

that is who I would have thought too

serious hops
01-14-2011, 09:39 AM
Nothing wrong with having a pipeline to one of the SEC's top football factories on staff. Would be useful getting the inside dish on the school's talent and a leg up on attracting their veteran free agents to Denver.

BroncosMT
01-14-2011, 09:50 AM
i think based on the resume one can't help but be excited if he comes on board.....

baja
01-14-2011, 10:03 AM
"Sunseri's defensive line with the Panthers was regarded as one of the best in the NFL. Defensive end Julius Peppers, defensive end Mike Rucker and defensive tackle Kris Jenkins earned Pro Bowl honors during Sunseri's tenure. He produced at least one Pro Bowl defensive lineman in five of six seasons as defensive line coach. The Panthers were among the top 10 in the NFL in terms of fewest yards allowed in four of his seven seasons and made three playoff appearances. "

I liked that part too

hey what's with bringing in all these Panthers. What are we Carolina West??? ;D

~Crash~
01-14-2011, 10:04 AM
No I don't. Just like I don't think Shanny could run a spread option offense well, or a power I. Could he run them? Sure. Well? No.

In general it doesn't make sense to hire a coach that is an expert in one thing so he can do something completely different. Unless you like taking the long odds just for the hell of it.

Wrong great Coach just coach what is out there on the field, they like to let the player dictate what style of play is be used . to best utilize the player. If you try and make something happen by using the past only you will surly fail .

Steve Sewell
01-14-2011, 10:14 AM
Why do people think that guys who coach 4-3 can't coach a 3-4? It has a lot more to do with the personnel you have than anything.

Who's the best player(s) on our defense? Doom and Champ. Champ can play in either format, and it seems like Doom thrives playing as a 3-4 OLB.

Inkana7
01-14-2011, 10:20 AM
Why do people think that guys who coach 4-3 can't coach a 3-4? It has a lot more to do with the personnel you have than anything.

Who's the best player(s) on our defense? Doom and Champ. Champ can play in either format, and it seems like Doom thrives playing as a 3-4 OLB.

Most of Doom's sacks came from a 3-point stance.

Steve Sewell
01-14-2011, 10:28 AM
Most of Doom's sacks came from a 3-point stance.

Right but they were still playing in a 3-4 package. Either way, IDK...just leave it to Fox to figure out. My guess is that Doom will be a big part of the defense either way.

crowebomber
01-14-2011, 10:43 AM
Here's a great read on the details of Alabama's defense. For the record, they use a 3-4 primarily but also has some sets that have the linebackers in a three-point stance like a 4-3. They also will use a 3-3 zone blitz.

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/repost-preview-of-nick-sabans-alabama.html

yerner
01-14-2011, 10:49 AM
Is D line coach a step up for this guy? Is he a possible D coordinator?

Drek
01-14-2011, 10:49 AM
Most of Doom's sacks came from a 3-point stance.

Not exactly the same as a three point stance in a 4-3 though. In a 3-4 he's got a DE who is largely tasked with helping Doom run free and maintain gap control.

FYI: Fox's first NFL coaching gig was as secondary coach for the Steelers under Chuck Noll, running a 3-4. He's got experience in that front.

Personally I'd like to see another multi-talented person like Sunseri brought in and something like what the Ravens do, a mix of 3-4 and 4-3 looks that are really just window dressing, installed here where we can move guys around and maximize their production.

Dutch
01-14-2011, 12:32 PM
Not exactly the same as a three point stance in a 4-3 though. In a 3-4 he's got a DE who is largely tasked with helping Doom run free and maintain gap control.

FYI: Fox's first NFL coaching gig was as secondary coach for the Steelers under Chuck Noll, running a 3-4. He's got experience in that front.

Personally I'd like to see another multi-talented person like Sunseri brought in and something like what the Ravens do, a mix of 3-4 and 4-3 looks that are really just window dressing, installed here where we can move guys around and maximize their production.

Agree with all of this. The main point in posting this to start with was to point out the quality of position coaches we are likely to see out of John. I'm loving this hire. I know there are folks that are underwhelmed with Fox. However, living in Atlanta and watching/listening to NFC South talk nonstop for the last 10 years I will say this....the man is tremendously respected for the job he has done under less than optimal (read cheap) ownership. His teams play hard, diciplined, fundamentally sound football.

Mogulseeker
01-14-2011, 12:39 PM
That article doesnt say what position he is interviewing for. Could be defensive coordinator.

Rascal
01-14-2011, 12:43 PM
As long as he isn't the DC this gets my stamp of approval. Not sure he has ever called plays before to be a coordinator. His DLs have always performed well.

Dutch
01-14-2011, 12:48 PM
That article doesnt say what position he is interviewing for. Could be defensive coordinator.

Wouldn't bother me at all as I keep hearing Mora Jr's name being tossed about. Having been here in Atlanta when he was made head coach, I wouldn't be thrilled with Jimmy Jr getting the gig. Same issues with him here in Atlanta that we had with McD in Denver. Smug punk who always acted like he was the smartest guy in the room. After R66v6s he was a bit hard to take. That said, I'll give him a chance as he will probably have mellowed out a bit after falling on his ass twice as a head coach. I would LOVE to see Sunseri end up our D-line coach. His lines have always played with a nasty streak.

gunns
01-14-2011, 01:03 PM
I'm hoping he's being looked at for the DL coach.

I'd like the check out Keith Butler for DC.

Kaylore
01-14-2011, 01:10 PM
Nothing wrong with having a pipeline to one of the SEC's top football factories on staff. Would be useful getting the inside dish on the school's talent and a leg up on attracting their veteran free agents to Denver.

This is the first thing I thought. Part of drafting well is having connections to the schools, honest connections, that will give you the low down on who's coming.

peacepipe
01-14-2011, 01:18 PM
I'm going to be seriously disappointed if we don't go with the 4-3. That's what Fox's teams are known for. If we stick with the 3-4 we are going to be much more reliant on a getting a great DC, and I'm not sure there are any to be had at the moment. Honestly it just doesn't make any sense. There isn't anything worth going out of our way to save with this garbage defense.

And Dareus at #2 would be an epic reach.I look at differantly, what are the top defenses out there? If you've noticed there all 3-4 defenses. Fox did say that he has been a 4-3 guy but also stated that the broncos are structured for the 3-4. Fox may think it will set the defense to far back to try moving back to a 4-3.

Mogulseeker
01-14-2011, 01:25 PM
Wouldn't bother me at all as I keep hearing Mora Jr's name being tossed about. Having been here in Atlanta when he was made head coach, I wouldn't be thrilled with Jimmy Jr getting the gig. Same issues with him here in Atlanta that we had with McD in Denver. Smug punk who always acted like he was the smartest guy in the room. After R66v6s he was a bit hard to take. That said, I'll give him a chance as he will probably have mellowed out a bit after falling on his ass twice as a head coach. I would LOVE to see Sunseri end up our D-line coach. His lines have always played with a nasty streak.

He was a linebackers coach at Bama. So I think there are several possibilities.

peacepipe
01-14-2011, 01:26 PM
Most of Doom's sacks came from a 3-point stance. that would be because he played in a 4-3 for 3 yrs. 26 sacks in a 4-3 over 3yrs vs. 17 sacks in 1 yr at OLB. his 1st yr playing at OLB.

BroncosMT
01-14-2011, 06:37 PM
Are they considering him for D coordinator or just the line? Sounds like he would be a good coordinator....IMO