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Inkana7
01-13-2011, 08:18 PM
MaxBroncos

RT @carolinagrowl: I'm told WR coach Tyke Tolbert and OL coach Dave Magazu are expected to follow coach John Fox to Denver.

MaxBroncos

Panthers used zone blocking in recent years, so if OL coach Dave Magazu follows Fox to Denver, look for zone blocking to return.

Agamemnon
01-13-2011, 08:22 PM
That'll be the first big mistake if they replace Gase with Tolbert. Honestly I can't comprehend a move like that...

Man-Goblin
01-13-2011, 08:23 PM
Well, we know three of the guys can zone block. Gotta get Harris back if this is the case.

Ironically, the two rookies were drafted to run a power scheme but have the size of guys tailor made for zone blocking, no?

If the o-line can come together quickly, this rebuild can be a lot shorter than some people think.

HooptyHoops
01-13-2011, 08:26 PM
The DC is going to be a big deal to the fans and the future of the Broncos!

cutthemdown
01-13-2011, 08:27 PM
That'll be the first big mistake if they replace Gase with Tolbert. Honestly I can't comprehend a move like that...

Why because the WR had a good yr or because you have an opinion on the coach? I wouldn't worry too much about position coaches at this point. Also you can't expect Mcdaniels guys to be kept around, it's just not how it usually works in the NFL.

It's fine to voice concerns but to you can't comprehend it just jumped out at me as being really stupid. I mean you can't comprehend a coach telling his loyal position coaches when i get a new job I bring you with me? Pretty easy for me to comprehend.

Maybe your comprehension just not that good? I mean you did say you were being honest. Also big mistake? Seriously? Big mistakes are not position coach changes when a new coach comes in. Let's wait for some real decisions before we start judging everything.

Geeze and you people say I am negative? Look at Mr Negasaurass here.

Killericon
01-13-2011, 08:28 PM
The DC is going to be a big deal to the fans and the future of the Broncos!

Why isn't the OC a bigger deal?

schaaf
01-13-2011, 08:28 PM
and look at how often position coaches switch positions you really never know who will be coaching where until training camp begins

Agamemnon
01-13-2011, 08:32 PM
Why because the WR had a good yr or because you have an opinion on the coach?

I would say that the evidence seems to be that Gase is pretty good. Tolbert on the other hand? Carolina hasn't been able to develop any WRs for years. Just because cronyism is so rampant in the NFL, doesn't mean it's good.

HooptyHoops
01-13-2011, 08:32 PM
Why isn't the OC a bigger deal?

I believe McCoy will be retained and I think we have a pretty good nucleus of players on O....as for the D, I can't say as much....

Agamemnon
01-13-2011, 08:32 PM
and look at how often position coaches switch positions you really never know who will be coaching where until training camp begins

That's true. We need a TEs coach...

LRtagger
01-13-2011, 08:33 PM
Why because the WR had a good yr or because you have an opinion on the coach? I wouldn't worry too much about position coaches at this point. Also you can't expect Mcdaniels guys to be kept around, it's just not how it usually works in the NFL.

It's fine to voice concerns but to you can't comprehend it just jumped out at me as being really stupid. I mean you can't comprehend a coach telling his loyal position coaches when i get a new job I bring you with me? Pretty easy for me to comprehend.

Maybe your comprehension just not that good? I mean you did say you were being honest. Also big mistake? Seriously? Big mistakes are not position coach changes when a new coach comes in. Let's wait for some real decisions before we start judging everything.

Geeze and you people say I am negative? Look at Mr Negasaurass here.

It's a mistake because Carolina constantly busts on WRs (aside from Steve Smith) - and even SS has been dog poo the past couple seasons. Even if we didn't retain current staff that helped ressurect the career of Brandon Lloyd, helped along two very promising rookie WRs, elevated Gaffney's game, etc it wouldn't be a bad idea for Fox to try something new on the offensive side of the ball...and it wouldn't be a bad idea to start with some fresh faces on his staff.

WR play was one of the few bright spots on this season. It would be a shame if we took steps backwards in that dept. Ag has been very supportive of the Fox hire, he's just expressing an opinion about this particular move.

strafen
01-13-2011, 08:36 PM
Well, we know three of the guys can zone block. Gotta get Harris back if this is the case.

Ironically, the two rookies were drafted to run a power scheme but have the size of guys tailor made for zone blocking, no?

If the o-line can come together quickly, this rebuild can be a lot shorter than some people think.

I actually like the ZBS. It's a system I at least know what to expect and I've seen its potential when is clicking on all 8 cylinders.
Good running game, TE, WR, FB, and RB catching balls makes it a fun offense to watch.

The ZBS would give Tebow a chance to spread the ball more and give him more options to go elsewgere when a play breaks down.

I definitely dig it. :thumbsup:

Bronco Yoda
01-13-2011, 08:36 PM
IMO, Moreno did seem to look better in the ZBS.

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lostknight
01-13-2011, 08:37 PM
Keep WR and OC. Everyone else can take a leap, especailly Tuten.

Drek
01-13-2011, 08:38 PM
Dave Magazu is a REALLY good OL coach. He'd be a fantastic pick up.

The WR thing I question. The FO has really given them the shaft with some bad draft picks. Guys who just don't want to work. Its entirely possible its not on the coach. But Gase has been doing a pretty solid job here. He's one of the few young upstarts McDaniels hired worth retaining. It'd be nice to see him stay and maintain continuity with the young WRs we brought in last draft.

Inkana7
01-13-2011, 08:38 PM
I actually like the ZBS. It's a system I at least know what to expect and I've seen its potential when is clicking on all 8 cylinders.
Good running game, TE, WR, FB, and RB catching balls makes it a fun offense to watch.

The ZBS would give Tebow a chance to spread the ball more and give him more options to go elsewgere when a play breaks down.

I definitely dig it. :thumbsup:

You do know that Zone Blocking is just a method of line blocking, not an offensive doctrine, right?

frerottenextelway
01-13-2011, 08:40 PM
What does this mean for Dan Graham?

strafen
01-13-2011, 08:42 PM
It's a mistake because Carolina constantly busts on WRs (aside from Steve Smith) - and even SS has been dog poo the past couple seasons. Even if we didn't retain current staff that helped ressurect the career of Brandon Lloyd, helped along two very promising rookie WRs, elevated Gaffney's game, etc it wouldn't be a bad idea for Fox to try something new on the offensive side of the ball...and it wouldn't be a bad idea to start with some fresh faces on his staff.

WR play was one of the few bright spots on this season. It would be a shame if we took steps backwards in that dept. Ag has been very supportive of the Fox hire, he's just expressing an opinion about this particular move.

I see your point.
We've gotta do what we gotta do.
Gaffney and Lloyd are not going to be long term players for the Broncos. They may likely be gone within the next two years.
We do however have some young talent still left that would do us well for the next few years along with a young QB.

It's a matter of re-establishing a dominant running game for the rest to follow suit...

strafen
01-13-2011, 08:44 PM
You do know that Zone Blocking is just a method of line blocking, not an offensive doctrine, right?Correct.
And the running game flourish in that kind of line blocking, WR's blocking down field, etc...

Kaylore
01-13-2011, 08:50 PM
You know its possible Tolbert becomes the new QB coach and they keep Gase.

Agamemnon
01-13-2011, 08:51 PM
You know its possible Tolbert becomes the new QB coach and they keep Gase.

I hope so. I'm not a fan of fixing what isn't broken.

Homer Simpson
01-13-2011, 08:52 PM
You know its possible Tolbert becomes the new QB coach and they keep Gase.

I really hope we keep Gase.

hades
01-13-2011, 08:53 PM
We need a power zone blocking scheme, best of both worlds...

Kaylore
01-13-2011, 08:55 PM
Correct.
And the running game flourish in that kind of line blocking, WR's blocking down field, etc...

Receivers block down field in any run play, not just a zone run. And you just said it was a system (it isn't ) and then when he said its not a system you declared him correct. Wtf?

bpc
01-13-2011, 09:17 PM
They sound like solid coaches. I'm ok with this. Tell them to bring some FA's with them like Charles Johnson or Ryan Kalil.

Hamrob
01-13-2011, 09:21 PM
I like Gase too...but, I'd settle for ROD SMITH!

KipCorrington25
01-13-2011, 09:40 PM
Do we know their video guy's policy on taping walk throughs?

listopencil
01-13-2011, 11:07 PM
I'm most concerned with who the OC and QB Coach will be.

epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2011, 11:10 PM
They sound like solid coaches. I'm ok with this. Tell them to bring some FA's with them like Charles Johnson or Ryan Kalil.

Both would be great.

As for Magazu...is that some sort of Japanese tree?

peacepipe
01-13-2011, 11:18 PM
That'll be the first big mistake if they replace Gase with Tolbert. Honestly I can't comprehend a move like that...

How many times does it need to be siad, Fox gets to call who works under him. The org. gets to decide who is HC,the HC decides who he staffs from OC,DC and so on.

broncocalijohn
01-13-2011, 11:29 PM
Do we know their video guy's policy on taping walk throughs?


No, but I just want to know who is the guy that replaces Paxton at long snapper?

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2011, 11:33 PM
I really wouldnt worry about positional coaches either.

Jetmeck
01-14-2011, 12:16 AM
That's true. We need a TEs coach...

We need a TE to coach first !

ghwk
01-14-2011, 12:20 AM
IMO, Moreno did seem to look better in the ZBS.

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Please never post that video again, ever. It is really really bad. It's the kind of bad that sticks in your head and won't go away.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 12:48 AM
Please never post that video again, ever. It is really really bad. It's the kind of bad that sticks in your head and won't go away.

80's pop is one of the greatest crimes of the 20th century...

WolfpackGuy
01-14-2011, 06:17 AM
At least Magazu dresses better than Clancy...

http://www.joshuadysart.com/journal/archives/mugatu.jpg

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
01-14-2011, 06:28 AM
I would say that the evidence seems to be that Gase is pretty good. Tolbert on the other hand? Carolina hasn't been able to develop any WRs for years. Just because cronyism is so rampant in the NFL, doesn't mean it's good.

It's a mistake because Carolina constantly busts on WRs (aside from Steve Smith) - and even SS has been dog poo the past couple seasons.

You two are lazy and ignorant Monday morning quarterbacks.

It would help if you knew which team's wideouts to judge Tolbert by.

Tolbert coached the Buffalo Bills' receivers from 2004-09.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-14-2011, 06:36 AM
Coaching
Tyke Tolbert takes over as Carolina's wide receivers coach in 2010 armed with a reputation as a tireless worker and an enthusiastic instructor. He replaces Richard Williamson, who coached wide receivers for all but one of the Panthers' first 15 seasons before retiring after the 2009 season.

Tolbert comes to Carolina following six years with the Buffalo Bills in the same capacity. With the Bills, he developed young wide receivers Lee Evans, Roscoe Parrish and Josh Reed and worked with veterans Eric Moulds and Terrell Owens.

Upon Tolbert's arrival in Buffalo in 2004, the Bills selected Evans in the first round of the NFL Draft and chose Parrish in the second round in 2005 to go along with Reed, a second-round pick in 2002. Tolbert helped Evans become one of the most productive receivers in team history. Evans led all NFL rookies in 2004 with nine touchdown receptions and a 17.6-yard average per catch. After finishing second in the NFL with seven receptions for 40-plus yards in 2005, Evans continued to improve under Tolbert in 2006 - amassing a team-record 265 yards receiving in Week 11.

While teaching younger players, Tolbert has challenged older ones. In Moulds' final two seasons with the Bills, Tolbert directed him to 88 catches - which ranked fourth in the AFC - in 2004 and 81 receptions in 2005. During the 2009 season, Owens produced the longest play from scrimmage in the NFL with a career-long 98-yard touchdown reception in Week 11.

Tolbert got his first full-time job in the NFL as wide receivers coach with the Arizona Cardinals in 2003. Under his tutelage, Anquan Boldin earned Offensive Rookie of the Year honors and was the only rookie to make the Pro Bowl that season. Tolbert guided Boldin to an NFL-rookie record 101 catches and 1,377 yards - the second most by a rookie in league history.

He gained his first professional coaching experience by participating in the NFL's Minority Internship Program with the Detroit Lions during training camp in 1997 and again with the Cardinals during training camp in 2001.

Prior to joining the Cardinals, Tolbert spent eight seasons on the college level. He worked as a graduate assistant at Louisiana State in the spring of 1994 and Northeast Louisiana in the fall of 1994 and tutored wide receivers at Ohio in the spring of 1995 before returning to Northeast Louisiana in the fall of 1995 for a three-year stint as tight ends coach. After holding the same position at Auburn in 1998, Tolbert went to Louisiana-Lafayette as wide receivers coach/recruiting coordinator from 1999-2001 and then served as tight ends coach/recruiting coordinator at Florida in 2002.

Playing and Personal
A native of Conroe, Texas, Tolbert graduated with bachelor and master degrees from Louisiana State, where he was a three-year letterman and played wide receiver.

History
Wide receiver: Louisiana State 1988-90. College coach: Louisiana State 1994 (spring), Northeast Louisiana 1994 (fall), Ohio 1995 (spring), Northeast Louisiana 1995-97, Auburn 1998, Louisiana-Lafayette 1999-2001, Florida 2002. Pro coach: Arizona Cardinals 2003, Buffalo Bills 2004-09, joined Panthers in 2010.

Kaylore
01-14-2011, 06:50 AM
I do like Magazu or really anyone over Clancy Barone. Magazu made everyone believe Jeff Otah doesn't suck.

LRtagger
01-14-2011, 06:59 AM
You two are lazy and ignorant Monday morning quarterbacks.

It would help if you knew which team's wideouts to judge Tolbert by.

Tolbert coached the Buffalo Bills' receivers from 2004-09.

You're right. I just assumed he had been on Fox's staff for an extended period of time since it is already being assumed he will follow him to Denver.