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Baba Booey
01-13-2011, 03:50 PM
These are some pretty funny (as well as pathetic) accounts as to why Cutler is such a dingleberry.

In before "He's gone, forget about him"...No ****. I could not be more happy that we have Tebow and Cutler is gone. This is just hilarious stuff.

I am also not a McDaniels fanboy in any way, shape, or form.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986

Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Lynch. He was texting.

"Man, I'm trying to talk to you!" Lynch protested.

Didn't help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler's hands, smashing it to the floor.

He listened after that.

One time, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan thought it would be helpful for Cutler and Broncos legend John Elway to have lunch. Let Cutler drink in some of Elway's experience.

The three of them sat down at a Denver steak joint. Elway, polite as ever, tried to impart some wisdom. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Elway. He wasn't looking at Shanahan, either. He was looking at the TV. The whole time. With his baseball cap on backward. All the way through dessert. Elway did not leave impressed.

loborugger
01-13-2011, 03:52 PM
these are some pretty funny (as well as pathetic) accounts as to why cutler is such a dingleberry.

In before "he's gone, forget about him"...no ****. I could not be more happy that we have tebow and cutler is gone. This is just hilarious stuff.

i am also not a mcdaniels fanboy in any way shape or form.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986

liar!!!

Funny that you have to clarify this point on here anymore. Stand by for nuthugging comments.

Baba Booey
01-13-2011, 03:54 PM
liar!!!

Funny that you have to clarify this point on here anymore. Stand by for nuthugging comments.

Roger, standing by.

frerottenextelway
01-13-2011, 03:55 PM
<img src="http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~katster/Gobears.jpg" width="450">

oubronco
01-13-2011, 03:55 PM
<img src="http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~katster/Gobears.jpg" width="450">

Hilarious!

Majik
01-13-2011, 03:57 PM
Now that Favre is retiring *fingers crossed*, Jay Cutler will fit nicely into the role of Majik's most hated nfl player.

Trivial fact, Mike Vick happens to be Majik's 2nd most hated NFL player.

Pony Boy
01-13-2011, 03:59 PM
You got to let go....

27891

bendog
01-13-2011, 03:59 PM
you are such a bunch of losers. lol did people take your lunch money from you.

Gutless Drunk
01-13-2011, 03:59 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
01-13-2011, 04:00 PM
To me he seems like a fairly bright country boy who doesnt like the attention that comes with being a QB and has never learned how to make that into a thing that he can enjoy.

schaaf
01-13-2011, 04:01 PM
haha i really enjoyed that

what a douche

Baba Booey
01-13-2011, 04:04 PM
you are such a bunch of losers. lol did people take your lunch money from you.

Don't go trying to hurt people's feelings through the internet, man. Come on.

ColoradoDarin
01-13-2011, 04:07 PM
To me he seems like a fairly bright country boy who doesnt like the attention that comes with being a QB and has never learned how to make that into a thing that he can enjoy.

I disagree. I mean it's one thing to avoid the media and reporters, or even fans. He wouldn't listen to John Lynch or John Elway, he wouldn't even look at them. Maybe he's got some social anxiety disorder?

TheReverend
01-13-2011, 04:07 PM
A few days before Christmas, he and Cavallari brought presents for an entire ward of sick hospital kids. A reporter for the Sun-Times got wind of it and asked him about it. Cutler refused to discuss it.

Total douche!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-13-2011, 04:09 PM
you are such a bunch of losers. lol did people take your lunch money from you.

dnt wry u win loll!

Baba Booey
01-13-2011, 04:09 PM
To me he seems like a fairly bright country boy who doesnt like the attention that comes with being a QB and has never learned how to make that into a thing that he can enjoy.

Being shy and disliking the spotlight? I'm OK with that.

Disrespecting two of the best to ever wear the orange and blue? That is bull****.

But like I said, I'm not missing Jay one bit. Just think it's funny to see how much of a douche he really was/is.

TheReverend
01-13-2011, 04:12 PM
Being shy and disliking the spotlight? I'm OK with that.

Disrespecting two of the best to ever wear the orange and blue? That is bull****.

But like I said, I'm not missing Jay one bit. Just think its funny to see how much of a douche he really was/is.

I wanted John Lynch playing on the Denver defense even when he was in a wheel chair. But calling him one of the best to wear Orange and Blue by the time he signed on in Denver is just a blatant fallacy. During his time in Denver, he wouldn't crack the top 3 all time Bronco SAFETIES.

Baba Booey
01-13-2011, 04:15 PM
I wanted John Lynch playing on the Denver defense even when he was in a wheel chair. But calling him one of the best to wear Orange and Blue by the time he signed on in Denver is just a blatant fallacy. During his time in Denver, he wouldn't crack the top 3 all time Bronco SAFETIES.

I shouldn't have phrased it that way - you're right - but just the fact that it was John Lynch that he was ignoring...wow.

I've already talked more about Jay in this thread that I would prefer to for all of 2011, haha.

scorpio
01-13-2011, 04:20 PM
you are such a bunch of losers. lol did people take your lunch money from you.

says the brokedick old bastard with an overly developed penchant for hero worship

jhns
01-13-2011, 04:29 PM
So is last weeks conspiracy that Elway and Shanahan have problems with each other and never talk over now? I find it weird that they don't like each other as they are having dinner together with Cutler.

zdoor
01-13-2011, 04:35 PM
I wanted John Lynch playing on the Denver defense even when he was in a wheel chair. But calling him one of the best to wear Orange and Blue by the time he signed on in Denver is just a blatant fallacy. During his time in Denver, he wouldn't crack the top 3 all time Bronco SAFETIES.

This...

jhns
01-13-2011, 04:42 PM
So is last weeks conspiracy that Elway and Shanahan have problems with each other and never talk over now? I find it weird that they don't like each other as they are having dinner together with Cutler.

I also find it weird that Elway doesn't know Cutler after reading the quotes in the original post. It looks like Elway is a liar or the original poster found an article that is completely wrong....

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12060007

"I don't know Jay personally"

Baba Booey
01-13-2011, 04:47 PM
I also find it weird that Elway doesn't know Cutler after reading the quotes in the original post. It looks like Elway is a liar or the original poster found an article that is completely wrong....

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12060007

"I don't know Jay personally"


Don't blame me - the article is from ESPN.

CEH
01-13-2011, 04:48 PM
Does Knowshown go into the douche bag category as well failing to return two phone calls from the great Terrell Davis who reached out to him to let him know about running in Denver?

Just curious

Ratboy
01-13-2011, 04:49 PM
Quit being a 6 and get over it.

Garcia Bronco
01-13-2011, 04:55 PM
Does Knowshown go into the douche bag category as well failing to return two phone calls from the great Terrell Davis who reached out to him to let him know about running in Denver?

Just curious

yes.

frerottenextelway
01-13-2011, 04:57 PM
Does Knowshown go into the douche bag category as well failing to return two phone calls from the great Terrell Davis who reached out to him to let him know about running in Denver?

Just curious

If he doesn't stay healthy, he's going to belong in the busto category.

HILife
01-13-2011, 04:59 PM
This doesn't surprise me at all. I mean John Lynch is such and ass. How DARE he slap Cutler's phone out of his hand and try to enlighten him with knowledge. I mean can't you see Cutler was texting........TEXTING!!!!!!!!

About not looking at Elway and Shanny, well, he's just shy. I mean it is Elway.

HILife
01-13-2011, 04:59 PM
<img src="http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~katster/Gobears.jpg" width="450">

lol

FantomForce
01-13-2011, 05:08 PM
Does Knowshown go into the douche bag category as well failing to return two phone calls from the great Terrell Davis who reached out to him to let him know about running in Denver?

Just curious

Right along with you for this post

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-13-2011, 05:10 PM
This doesn't surprise me at all. I mean John Lynch is such and ass. How DARE he slap Cutler's phone out of his hand and try to enlighten him with knowledge. I mean can't you see Cutler was texting........TEXTING!!!!!!!!

About not looking at Elway and Shanny, well, he's just shy. I mean it is Elway.

Well, Jay has a stronger arm than Elway, so he felt he didn't have to listen, that's all. Plus, Golden Girls was on. That Estelle Getty was so spunky! What was he supposed to do, NOT watch TV?

Houshyamama
01-13-2011, 05:36 PM
I also find it weird that Elway doesn't know Cutler after reading the quotes in the original post. It looks like Elway is a liar or the original poster found an article that is completely wrong....

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12060007

"I don't know Jay personally"

I'd find it hard to know someone "personally" as well if when I met them they just stared at the TV the whole time. There's a difference between knowing someone "personally" and just knowing them. Stop being a drama queen.

cutthemdown
01-13-2011, 05:39 PM
Does Knowshown go into the douche bag category as well failing to return two phone calls from the great Terrell Davis who reached out to him to let him know about running in Denver?

Just curious

No he gets it for just being a crappy running back.

jhns
01-13-2011, 06:51 PM
I'd find it hard to know someone "personally" as well if when I met them they just stared at the TV the whole time. There's a difference between knowing someone "personally" and just knowing them. Stop being a drama queen.

Then what happened to Elway and Shanahan not liking one another?

Missouribronc
01-13-2011, 06:59 PM
LMAO! JayHNS calling Elway a liar now in order to defend his boy...really, who are you going to bitch about now? McDaniels is gone...Tebow is the guy and Elway is running the show.

Who can you direct your adolescent, fan boy hate at now?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-13-2011, 07:02 PM
LMAO! JayHNS calling Elway a liar now in order to defend his boy...really, who are you going to b**** about now? McDaniels is gone...Tebow is the guy and Elway is running the show.

Who can you direct your adolescent, fan boy hate at now?

But don't you dare question Mike Shanahan's hall of fame credentials. You'll be a hater!

txtebow
01-13-2011, 07:06 PM
Cutler >>>> Orton

Tebow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cutler

Missouribronc
01-13-2011, 07:08 PM
But don't you dare question Mike Shanahan's hall of fame credentials. You'll be a hater!

Shanahan is a HOF coach. Shanahan is a great coach. Guess I'm just a giant homer.

colonelbeef
01-13-2011, 07:25 PM
From the very same article:

"What he is is an RPG-armed, 27-year-old Vanderbilt product who dates a reality TV star named Kristin Cavallari, battles Type 1 diabetes every day, and doesn't care who understands him and who doesn't. He's a giving person who does things behind the scenes and hates it when he gets found out. A few days before Christmas, he and Cavallari brought presents for an entire ward of sick hospital kids. A reporter for the Sun-Times got wind of it and asked him about it. Cutler refused to discuss it.
He's a battler who's done amazingly well considering the swinging saloon-door offensive line he has to play behind. The man has been sacked more times this season (52) than in his three seasons in Denver combined (51). Yet he never complains.
"He's as sharp an individual as I've ever been around," says Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz."


I'm sorry that some of you need to have a hand holding media-licking ass kissing player at QB in order to enjoy the way the plays on the field. I prefer to watch talented football players, all of this sewing-circle high school chick innuendo and bull**** is really embarrassing, particularly considering the fact that some of you are grown men.


Who cares what he is supposedly like. Don't commit felonies, and win football games, period. Everything else is immaterial.

LRtagger
01-13-2011, 07:26 PM
Does Knowshown go into the douche bag category as well failing to return two phone calls from the great Terrell Davis who reached out to him to let him know about running in Denver?

Just curious

FWIW After this came out from TD, Knowshon immediately came out and said he never got any messages and said he would be happy to talk with TD.

Either way, I don't care if its Cutler, Moreno, or whoever...you really have to be a cocky douche to blow off a vet trying to give you advice. Especially a HOFer or All-pro.

colonelbeef
01-13-2011, 07:28 PM
LMAO! JayHNS calling Elway a liar now in order to defend his boy...really, who are you going to b**** about now? McDaniels is gone...Tebow is the guy and Elway is running the show.

Who can you direct your adolescent, fan boy hate at now?

Morons like you believed McDaniels in the first place. That is truly laughable.

Wahhhh, so some immature kid didnt put down his phone when Lynch spoke.

Peyton Manning teabagged some chick while at Tennessee, getting medical treatment. He won a super bowl, and that is all we care about. If you consider some overpaid underbrained moron a hero or idol, that's on you for being easily misled, and essentially, stupid.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-13-2011, 07:49 PM
Morons like you believed McDaniels in the first place. That is truly laughable.

Wahhhh, so some immature kid didnt put down his phone when Lynch spoke.

Peyton Manning teabagged some chick while at Tennessee, getting medical treatment. He won a super bowl, and that is all we care about. If you consider some overpaid underbrained moron a hero or idol, that's on you for being easily misled, and essentially, stupid.

Says the guy who defends Jay Cutler with venom at every turn. Good one.

Archer81
01-13-2011, 07:59 PM
I'm not surprised. But it really doesnt matter. We are so far removed from that entire scenario that continued harping on the subject makes for boring conversation.


:Broncos:

jhns
01-13-2011, 08:21 PM
LMAO! JayHNS calling Elway a liar now in order to defend his boy...really, who are you going to b**** about now? McDaniels is gone...Tebow is the guy and Elway is running the show.

Who can you direct your adolescent, fan boy hate at now?

When did I call Elway a liar? That isn't a very intelligent comeback.

Missouribronc
01-13-2011, 08:47 PM
When did I call Elway a liar? That isn't a very intelligent comeback.

"It looks like Elway is a liar"

Your words. Not mine, douche bag.

Rick Reilly and John Elway are personal friends. In case you didn't know, and judging from your history of posting, you dont, (i.e. not knowing what KOA is) Reilly is a life-long Broncos fan who got his start at CU. His "sources" when it comes to Elway are dead on and accurate, because those sources ARE Elway.

Now tell me what the intelligent take is here.

SoCalBronco
01-13-2011, 08:52 PM
Rick Reilly.....yawn.

ColoradoDarin
01-13-2011, 08:55 PM
I really have a hard time believing that about Knowshon. Didn't he call up Dwill's mom and talk to her about wearing it?

Missouribronc
01-13-2011, 09:00 PM
I really have a hard time believing that about Knowshon. Didn't he call up Dwill's mom and talk to her about wearing it?

He did do that.

jhns
01-13-2011, 09:04 PM
"It looks like Elway is a liar"

Your words. Not mine, douche bag.

Rick Reilly and John Elway are personal friends. In case you didn't know, and judging from your history of posting, you dont, (i.e. not knowing what KOA is) Reilly is a life-long Broncos fan who got his start at CU. His "sources" when it comes to Elway are dead on and accurate, because those sources ARE Elway.

Now tell me what the intelligent take is here.

That is obvious sarcasm.... You are a mental midget.

We just had a thread the other day where everyone claimed it was well known Elway and Shanahan don't get along. This is why they don't do anything together and Elway never came around. I don't think that agrees with them having dinner so Elway can talk to his players.

That One Guy
01-13-2011, 09:05 PM
Some of my favorite parts of the article:

It's hard to say what interests Cutler, but it's definitely not you.

and

Reporter (after a game): What happened on that first interception, Jay?


Cutler: I threw the ball.


Reporter: Right, but what did you see developing there? Take us through it.


Cutler (archly): It seemed like a good place to throw the ball.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-13-2011, 09:07 PM
Rick Reilly.....yawn.

When he ripped McD, I'm sure you didn't mind.

:thumbs:

~Crash~
01-13-2011, 09:10 PM
<img src="http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~katster/Gobears.jpg" width="450">

yep this

Missouribronc
01-13-2011, 09:11 PM
That is obvious sarcasm.... You are a mental midget.

We just had a thread the other day where everyone claimed it was well known Elway and Shanahan don't get along. This is why they don't do anything together and Elway never came around. I don't think that agrees with them having dinner so Elway can talk to his players.

Yes, it is possible that Elway and Shanahan didn't want to work together, but that Shanahan wanted him to try to get through to an obviously oblivious Jay Cutler.

Its not only possible, its probable.

Considering the source, its probably true. I know you don't understand fully the sporting atmosphere in Denver, which has been obvious in the past, but at least you could learn...I though, anyway. I guess I was wrong.

I hate being a mental midget.

jhns
01-13-2011, 09:13 PM
I hate being a mental midget.

Go to school. You are a drama queen that believes every rumor you see. No different than most here.

broncocalijohn
01-13-2011, 09:15 PM
you are such a bunch of losers. lol did people take your lunch money from you.


Well, we have our first one. Bendog perfect choice.

Missouribronc
01-13-2011, 09:18 PM
Go to school. You are a drama queen that believes every rumor you see. No different than most here.

Wait. What rumors?

jhns
01-13-2011, 09:21 PM
Wait. What rumors?

Exactly.

Missouribronc
01-13-2011, 09:25 PM
Exactly.

No. I'm asking you which rumors are true. Can you answer that question?

You've said Elway is a liar, you've also implied Elway and Shanahan didn't get along, therefore, Shanahan, Elway and Cutler never had lunch together.

Do you have any sort of proof to dispute Reilly?

Flex Gunmetal
01-13-2011, 09:41 PM
What's the big deal about tbagging?

broncocalijohn
01-13-2011, 09:50 PM
How about Jay, John and Mike had this lunch in times that Elway and Shanny were getting along?

broncocalijohn
01-13-2011, 09:50 PM
What's the big deal about tbagging?

Nothing but Manning was the receipient. :thanku:

ØrangeÇrush
01-13-2011, 11:20 PM
The best part of that whole article is that if Jay Cutler read it, he wouldn't give a ****. He's the NFL's anti-hero...I love it.

Agamemnon
01-14-2011, 01:13 AM
Some of my favorite parts of the article:

It's hard to say what interests Cutler, but it's definitely not you.

and

Reporter (after a game): What happened on that first interception, Jay?


Cutler: I threw the ball.


Reporter: Right, but what did you see developing there? Take us through it.


Cutler (archly): It seemed like a good place to throw the ball.

My LULZ moment was:

"He is what he is," Olsen says.

Not exactly something for your tombstone.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-14-2011, 06:52 AM
My LULZ moment was:

"He is what he is," Olsen says.

Not exactly something for your tombstone.

And that's from arguably Cutler's best friend in the entire league.

Yeah, he's not a dick.

jhns
01-14-2011, 07:16 AM
No. I'm asking you which rumors are true. Can you answer that question?

You've said Elway is a liar, you've also implied Elway and Shanahan didn't get along, therefore, Shanahan, Elway and Cutler never had lunch together.

Do you have any sort of proof to dispute Reilly?

No I can't answer which ones are true. That's why I don't go all drama queen and act like all rumors are true, like you.

Again, I didn't call Elway a liar. You may need to get past the third grade to get that though.

jhns
01-14-2011, 07:21 AM
How about Jay, John and Mike had this lunch in times that Elway and Shanny were getting along?

LOL

Just so I can make sure I'm keeping up with the drama queens, how exactly did this work. The other week everyone here was talking about it being common knowledge that they don't get along. The reason this was talked about was to show why Elway didn't come in to work with players like other ex-players did. It also explained why he just now got a job with the team. Now we learn that they liked each other for a week in there and Elway did come to work with players?

I think all the drama queens need to get together and get their stories straight.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-14-2011, 07:42 AM
LOL

Just so I can make sure I'm keeping up with the drama queens, how exactly did this work. The other week everyone here was talking about it being common knowledge that they don't get along. The reason this was talked about was to show why Elway didn't come in to work with players like other ex-players did. It also explained why he just now got a job with the team. Now we learn that they liked each other for a week in there and Elway did come to work with players?

I think all the drama queens need to get together and get their stories straight.

It could be that Shanahan and Elway "get along" in the same way you get along with someone in your office with whom you have nothing in common, and are competitive with for things like promotions or a bigger office.

Shanahan ran the whole operation. Elway said he's wanted to help out for years. Yet he never did. WHY do you think that would be?

They don't have to dislike each other for Shanahan to have shut Elway out of the organization. They could still, for example, have lunch.

Again, jizz' idea that you have to be on one extreme or the other. Either Shanahan and Elway hated each other, or they were making out in the corner.

Nothing like a simpleton to tell you how it is.

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 07:44 AM
Just so I can make sure I'm keeping up with the drama queens, how exactly did this work. The other week everyone here was talking about it being common knowledge that they didn't want to work together. The reason this was talked about was to show why Elway didn't come in to work in the front office. It also explained why he just now got a job with the team. Now we learn that they were friends and Elway had lunch with one player, a quarterback?

Fixed it for you.

jhns
01-14-2011, 07:48 AM
It could be that Shanahan and Elway "get along" in the same way you get along with someone in your office with whom you have nothing in common, and are competitive with for things like promotions or a bigger office.

Shanahan ran the whole operation. Elway said he's wanted to help out for years. Yet he never did. WHY do you think that would be?

They don't have to dislike each other for Shanahan to have shut Elway out of the organization. They could still, for example, have lunch.

Again, jizz' idea that you have to be on one extreme or the other. Either Shanahan and Elway hated each other, or they were making out in the corner.

Nothing like a simpleton to tell you how it is.

It was used as the excuse for Elway not comming in to work with players in camps and such, like other ex-players do. How is that possible if he was comming in to work with players? He wasn't working with players but he was working with players! There were many posts that said stuff like "this is why you never saw them together!"

Way to make sense. Again, all you conspiracy theory drama queens need to get together and get your stories straight.

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 07:50 AM
It was also quite possible that it was Shanahan swallowing his pride and going to his last resort, lunch with Elway, to see if he could get through to this block head...but I should stop speculating. I'm such a drama queen...unless I agree with Jayhns.

jhns
01-14-2011, 07:52 AM
Elway said Jay Cutler is a great talent. Elway said it was a sad day for him and this organization when they gave Cutler away. Elway doesn't agree with any of your Cutler takes and Elway is now in charge.

These are the facts.

jhns
01-14-2011, 07:54 AM
It was also quite possible that it was Shanahan swallowing his pride and going to his last resort, lunch with Elway, to see if he could get through to this block head...but I should stop speculating. I'm such a drama queen...unless I agree with Jayhns.

Or when Elway says he doesn't even know Cutler, we can take his word for it.

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 07:55 AM
Or when Elway says he doesn't even know Cutler, we can take his word for it.

I don't know about you, but I've had meals with people I never knew, and never spoke to again, too...but again, I don't agree with you, therefore I am wrong and a drama queen.

jhns
01-14-2011, 07:57 AM
I don't know about you, but I've had meals with people I never knew, and never spoke to again, too...but again, I don't agree with you, therefore I am wrong and a drama queen.

"I had dinner with him. He was a dick that doesn't care about anything!"

"I don't even know him."

Sure.

If you pay your taxes, you are paying for your education. Why not take advantage of this fact?

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 08:04 AM
"I had dinner with him. He was a dick that doesn't care about anything!"

"I don't even know him."

Sure.

If you pay your taxes, you are paying for your education. Why not take advantage of this fact?

So, I am not educated if I do not agree with you. It is quite possible that Elway had dinner with him, and Jay never spoke to him, and for Elway to say that he didn't know him at a later time.

How is this possible? I used my deductive reasoning that I was taught to use in school, and came up with the possibility that Elway didn't know him, because Elway never spoke to him, despite having a meal sitting next to him.

OR, Elway said that before the meal took place...also a possibility.

Of course, in your world, that's not possible, because it doesn't paint Jay in a good light, and for Jayhns, that's a travesty akin to murdering someone's first born child.

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 08:06 AM
"I had dinner with him. He was a dick that doesn't care about anything!"

Just in case anyone is reading this, Elway didn't say this, and didn't even come close to saying this, and Reilly didn't report this.

This is jayhns not being a drama queen and not making things up.

jhns
01-14-2011, 08:28 AM
Just in case anyone is reading this, Elway didn't say this, and didn't even come close to saying this, and Reilly didn't report this.

This is jayhns not being a drama queen and not making things up.

Of course he didn't. He can't put a quote in if he never really talked to Elway about it. That could get him sued.

You know what else is funny? You think Reilly knew about a meeting between the current QB of the Broncos and Elway and it wasn't a story? I bet you can't find one other story that says they have met. You don't find that weird? I mean, it is a huge story if Elway even says something about the Broncos and you think there is no story when he meets with the QB?

Again, if you use your head a little bit, it is easy to see that Reilly is full of ****. Drama queens lach onto drama though. It doesn't matter if it makes sense.

jhns
01-14-2011, 08:36 AM
So, I am not educated if I do not agree with you. It is quite possible that Elway had dinner with him, and Jay never spoke to him, and for Elway to say that he didn't know him at a later time.

How is this possible? I used my deductive reasoning that I was taught to use in school, and came up with the possibility that Elway didn't know him, because Elway never spoke to him, despite having a meal sitting next to him.

OR, Elway said that before the meal took place...also a possibility.

Of course, in your world, that's not possible, because it doesn't paint Jay in a good light, and for Jayhns, that's a travesty akin to murdering someone's first born child.

I posted a link to Elway saying he doesn't know Jay. That link was from after the trade. Why would Shanahan bring Jay and Elway together after none of them are working together? That is weird logic.

Again, try finding one other article (or anything you can dig up) that says these two met. You can't claim reporters didn't know.... One just made the claim...

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 08:38 AM
Of course he didn't. He can't put a quote in if he never really talked to Elway about it. That could get him sued.

Wait...who's being the drama queen?

jhns
01-14-2011, 08:47 AM
Wait...who's being the drama queen?

You. Using facts makes me correct. Using drama queen logic that doesn't make sense, so you can cry about a player that hasn't been here for a while, is you being a drama queen.

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 08:49 AM
You. Using facts makes me correct. Using drama queen logic that doesn't make sense, so you can cry about a player that hasn't been here for a while, is you being a drama queen.

So, is it a fact that Rick Reilly is lying about that dinner?

jhns
01-14-2011, 08:52 AM
So, is it a fact that Rick Reilly is lying about that dinner?

Yes. Just ask Elway.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-14-2011, 08:55 AM
You have to understand that Jizz is one of the guys who thought "we were late to that dance" was the be-all, end-all of the Cutler saga. He apparently takes every quote as literally as he can. I would guess he thought there actually WAS a dance that McDaniels went to, hoping to pin a corsage on Matt Cassel's lapel, only to arrive late and find that Haley had already done so. Oh, the humanity!

I don't "know the guy" either, but I know Jay Cutler's a dick. There's a whole article about it in the OP. You should read it.

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 08:58 AM
Yes. Just ask Elway.

OK. So you're the only one allowed to make up facts? And Rick Reilly isn't.

Like I said, I've had plenty of meals with people I consider that I do not know, but whatever, Reilly's theory doesn't make Jay look like too good of a dude, therefore it must be made up bs.

jhns
01-14-2011, 08:59 AM
I don't "know the guy" either, but I know Jay Cutler's a dick. There's a whole article about it in the OP. You should read it.

LOL

So smart.

"I don't know him but I know him!"

OABB
01-14-2011, 09:07 AM
Sounds like cutler is like every other ahole in his generation. A bunch of narcisistic(spell check no worky) aholes who don't have respect for their elders and would rather twat on the facebooks than soak up any advice. That's just the way it is. Blame the baby boomers and there feministic everyone gets a trophy parenting.

Cutler will never get better as long as he is like all our junior douches. My generation and below does not believe in hard work or improving. We smash our ps3 controllers when we lose and say the game "cheats" rather than try and solve the puzzle. Just because jay is an athlete doesn't mean he isn't a facebooking twat like the rest of the 20 somethings.

jhns
01-14-2011, 09:09 AM
OK. So you're the only one allowed to make up facts? And Rick Reilly isn't.

Like I said, I've had plenty of meals with people I consider that I do not know, but whatever, Reilly's theory doesn't make Jay look like too good of a dude, therefore it must be made up bs.

Pretty much. There is zero evidence that this dinner happened. There is tons of evidence that it didn't happen. Again, do you really think he doesn't report on this dinner when it happens if it really did? A reporter that knows this?

LOL

Dumbasses.

I get to say what is and isn't a fact because I'm the one using my brain.

bendog
01-14-2011, 09:14 AM
Pretty much. There is zero evidence that this dinner happened. There is tons of evidence that it didn't happen. Again, do you really think he doesn't report on this dinner when it happens if it really did? A reporter that knows this?

LOL

Dumbasses.

I get to say what is and isn't a fact because I'm the one using my brain.

Seriously, just let it die. These guys are pathetic losers, but don't enable them.

Gutless Drunk
01-14-2011, 10:31 AM
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TheReverend
01-14-2011, 11:43 AM
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Great vid. It always astounds me as to how he seems to be dramatically better against the blitz than he is when LBs sit in their passing lanes.

OABB
01-14-2011, 11:53 AM
Great vid. It always astounds me as to how he seems to be dramatically better against the blitz than he is when LBs sit in their passing lanes.

Simple. When he chucks it on a blitz there are less defenders to catch it. No matter what he's gonna chuck it off his back foot in the general vacinity of a reciever so it's best to drop your lbs in zone to catch it.

broncocalijohn
01-14-2011, 12:32 PM
OK. So you're the only one allowed to make up facts? And Rick Reilly isn't.

Like I said, I've had plenty of meals with people I consider that I do not know, but whatever, Reilly's theory doesn't make Jay look like too good of a dude, therefore it must be made up bs.

How would Elway know Jay. Cutler watched tv the whole time John was trying to talk to him.

bendog
01-14-2011, 12:36 PM
Someone should email Lambchop this thread. He'd enjoy reading how he bent you guys over.

Mogulseeker
01-14-2011, 12:38 PM
"He's an arrogant little punk," former Broncos radio color man, Scott Hastings, once said on a national show. "He's a little bitch."

Hard to picture Scott Hastings saying something like that.

Mogulseeker
01-14-2011, 12:40 PM
reporter (after a game): What happened on that first interception, jay?

Cutler: I threw the ball.

Reporter: Right, but what did you see developing there? Take us through it.

Cutler (archly): It seemed like a good place to throw the ball.

Then there was this:

Reporter: When you were a kid, which quarterback did you look up to?

Cutler: Nobody.

Reporter: Nobody? You didn't look up to anybody?

Cutler: No.

lol

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 01:40 PM
"He's an arrogant little punk," former Broncos radio color man, Scott Hastings, once said on a national show. "He's a little b****."

Hard to picture Scott Hastings saying something like that.

He didn't. Rick Reilly just made it up.

Captain 'Dre
01-14-2011, 02:51 PM
I disagree. I mean it's one thing to avoid the media and reporters, or even fans. He wouldn't listen to John Lynch or John Elway, he wouldn't even look at them. Maybe he's got some social anxiety disorder?

More likely he's just a douchebag. :thanku:

DomCasual
01-14-2011, 03:06 PM
I love how people are going to so much effort to justify Broncos fans feeling of disdain, or lack thereof, for Jay Cutler.

Look, I hate the guy. I don't have to be objective about it. I loved his aloofness when he was with the Broncos, because I love all things Broncos. When he left, I saw it as signs of his douchebaggery. I loved Bill Romanowski's fire when he was here. When he beat his Raider teammate silly, I thought, "Dude, you need to lighten up a little - what a punk!" There have been a select few players that wore predominantly orange that I haven't figured a way to admire - guys like Dale Carter, Maurice Clarett, etc. Otherwise, I see most things Broncos-related through predominantly orange-colored glasses.

The same thing always applied, up until the last three or four months, to McDaniels. This isn't freaking politics, where you have to think everything through. I am a Broncos fan. I'll be a Bronco fan if they go 16-0, or 0-16. It's fine to decide, "This guy's a bum" about a player or coach. But it's tiresome to have to justify it down to the most minute mannerism to some of you uptight turds. It's one of the things that I see as being beautiful about sports. I'm a natural Denver sports homer. It feels as comfortable to me as if it was embedded in my DNA. It's one thing I don't ever have to justify. It's just there.

It's fandom. It doesn't always have to make sense.

DivineBronco
01-14-2011, 03:19 PM
6 end of goddamn story

Mogulseeker
01-14-2011, 07:07 PM
He didn't. Rick Reilly just made it up.

If you quote someone directly in an article, you have to put in exactly how they said it.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-14-2011, 07:53 PM
That douche is going to play in a playoff game this weekend.

Something your team hasn't done in five years.

Sucks to be you.

Gutless Drunk
01-14-2011, 08:22 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/14/lets-hear-it-for-jay-cutler/

"Let’s hear it for Jay Cutler

Rick Reilly has done the impossible.

No, he hasn’t written a new version of Leatherheads that doesn’t, you know, completely suck. Reilly has made Bears quarterback Jay Cutler into a sympathetic — and thus likable — figure.

Cutler had given us not much to feel good about in five NFL seasons. Apart from playing much of the 2007 season with undiagnosed Type I diabetes (we’d hate to see how long it would have taken to catch the disease if he didn’t work for a company that has a team of doctors available at any given moment), Cutler hasn’t done much of anything that makes many people want to buy his jersey and/or see him be successful.

Suddenly, however, we want the guy to be successful. Personally, I want to see him win the Super Bowl.

And it’s all Rick Reilly’s fault.

When last mentioned on these pages, Reilly was being castigated by Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports for recklessly characterizing some of the nuances of a morning jog on the cobblestones of Pamplona next to a battalion of large, horned mammals. Though Reilly’s latest effort won’t potentially place anyone who relies on the accuracy of his words in danger (grave or otherwise), it represents the kind of superficially-reasoned bias that clumsily hides a deeper agenda.

Reilly makes it clear that he doesn’t like Cutler. But it’s unclear why. Maybe Cutler didn’t act sufficiently impressed with the guy who allowed himself to believe that being a damn good back-page-of-SI columnist meant that he had the chops to write movies (he doesn’t) or host SportsCenter (he definitely doesn’t). Maybe “Riles” is simply doing a solid for his old buddy John Elway, persuading Broncos fans to quit moping and whining about the decision to trade Cutler and to start looking ahead to the future. Or maybe Reilly was looking to mail one in during playoff week, and Cutler provided the easiest target for Reilly’s periodic quota of word salad.

Reilly’s complaints at times are too petty to even be called petty. He seems to chastise Cutler for handling his charitable works the way that many are taught to handle such business, without seeking publicity, attention, or recognition for their efforts.

“He’s a giving person who does things behind the scenes and hates it when he gets found out,” Reilly writes. “A few days before Christmas, he and [girlfriend Kristin] Cavallari brought presents for an entire ward of sick hospital kids. A reporter for the Sun-Times got wind of it and asked him about it. Cutler refused to discuss it.”

If that paragraph had appeared in a positive, or even balanced, look at Cutler, there would be nothing significant about it. In the context of Reilly’s column, it comes off as a complaint that Cutler should be more like the athletes who love to talk to others about all the nice things that they do.

More than ever, with five episodes of ProFootballTalk Live to produce each week, we realize the importance of content to a media operation. But we wish more NFL athletes would choose not to wear their charitable acts like logos sewn onto their jerseys.

Reilly also knocks Cutler for not basking in the limelight that comes with being an NFL quarterback. “Cutler could own Chicago if he wanted,” Reilly says. “In a city that has had as many good quarterbacks as Omaha has had good surfers, Cutler could have his name on half the billboards and all the jerseys. My God, the kid grew up a Bears fan! But he doesn’t even try. He has zero endorsements and doesn’t want any. If there is such a thing as a Jay Cutler Fan Club, Cutler is having a membership drive — to drive them out.”

Reilly’s effort to paint Cutler in a bad light has backfired like a ’71 Vega, exposing more about Reilly than he ever would want his audience to know. To Reilly, pro athletes should seek out as much attention as possible. To Reilly, pro athletes should lend their names and likeness to any and all companies that will pay them even more money and provide them even more attention. To Reilly, pro athletes should do charitable works in that same spotlight, so that everyone will see it and, in turn, love them.

Well, at least we now understand why Reilly attempted to leverage one thing he does really well into a multi-platform gig at ESPN that promised more money, more fame, and more chances to let the world know that he does charitable works, too."

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 08:30 PM
LOL, the John Elway smear campaign by Florio continues...

Nowhere in there does he dispute what happened, he simply smears Reilly with no real evidence, like jayhns. Dude ought to learn how to be a journalist himself, because he continues to make a joke out of himself.

Taco John
01-14-2011, 08:34 PM
Cutler is probably one of the top five self-confident personalities that I've ever observed. Not the kind of fake, overcompensating self confidence that you observe in someone who bloviates about how great they are. He has a true, quiet self confidence that so many humans loathe.

Taco John
01-14-2011, 08:35 PM
LOL, the John Elway smear campaign by Florio continues...

Nowhere in there does he dispute what happened, he simply smears Reilly with no real evidence, like jayhns. Dude ought to learn how to be a journalist himself, because he continues to make a joke out of himself.

Dude, he roasted Reilly. Made him look like a real buffoon. I'm no fan of Florio, either.

Missouribronc
01-14-2011, 08:40 PM
Dude, he roasted Reilly. Made him look like a real buffoon. I'm no fan of Florio, either.

He "roasted" Reilly on his tone. Not his facts. There's a huge difference. I'm also disappointed that you, Taco, can't see the difference, too.

TheReverend
01-15-2011, 09:23 AM
He "roasted" Reilly on his tone. Not his facts. There's a huge difference. I'm also disappointed that you, Taco, can't see the difference, too.

He cited examples from Reilly's article the entire way through...

_Oro_
01-15-2011, 09:34 AM
Cutler is probably one of the top five self-confident personalities that I've ever observed. Not the kind of fake, overcompensating self confidence that you observe in someone who bloviates about how great they are. He has a true, quiet self confidence that so many humans loathe.


He's so self-confident that he can text his buddy while John Lynch is trying to teach him something.

I would say he comes off as arrogant more than anything else.

TonyR
01-15-2011, 09:52 AM
Cutler is probably one of the top five self-confident personalities that I've ever observed. Not the kind of fake, overcompensating self confidence that you observe in someone who bloviates about how great they are. He has a true, quiet self confidence that so many humans loathe.

I don't know, I think you may be mistaking arrogance and/or indifference with self confidence.

TonyR
01-15-2011, 10:04 AM
I planned on taking the Bears all week -- thinking they would throw with impunity on Seattle like Brees did last weekend -- until my friend Connor asked me, "Wait, why should I trust Jay Cutler laying 10 points in a playoff game again?" Cutler hasn't thrown for 250 yards since Week 7. For the season, he threw 16 picks, fumbled nine times and got sacked 52 times. His career record in the NFL? 24-29. His career record at Vanderbilt? 11-34. His career number of playoff games (college or pro): 0. His offensive coordinator is the immortal Mike Martz, who has a storied track record of stubbornly out-thinking himself in big games. And he isn't exactly inspiring as a leader, as Rick Reilly pointed out in a recent column. Which brings me back to our original question: Why should I trust Jay Cutler laying 10 points in a playoff game again?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/playoffs/round2&sportCat=nfl

OrangeCrush2724
01-15-2011, 10:15 AM
This is not a popular opinion but...Lets just say Jay Cutler got the last laugh. The coach that traded him, has lost his job (one of the reasons was b/c he traded his superstars). Jay has his bears in the playoff with a first round bye. While he looks back at this lost franchise with a 4-12 record. We have two below average years now, without Cutler. Lets put the past behind us, b/c there is a lot of things to look at this off-season with the new regime coming. Go Broncos!

TheReverend
01-15-2011, 10:21 AM
I planned on taking the Bears all week -- thinking they would throw with impunity on Seattle like Brees did last weekend -- until my friend Connor asked me, "Wait, why should I trust Jay Cutler laying 10 points in a playoff game again?" Cutler hasn't thrown for 250 yards since Week 7. For the season, he threw 16 picks, fumbled nine times and got sacked 52 times. His career record in the NFL? 24-29. His career record at Vanderbilt? 11-34. His career number of playoff games (college or pro): 0. His offensive coordinator is the immortal Mike Martz, who has a storied track record of stubbornly out-thinking himself in big games. And he isn't exactly inspiring as a leader, as Rick Reilly pointed out in a recent column. Which brings me back to our original question: Why should I trust Jay Cutler laying 10 points in a playoff game again?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/playoffs/round2&sportCat=nfl

All he's saying is he doesn't trust Cutler to win by 10 and beat the spread. A ten point spread is pretty big, especially against a team that just outgunned Brees and the defending Superbowl champs.

And the rest of the quote is factually incorrect as well. Cutler is 35-34 in the NFL. And Vandy was 11-35 (worse than written, but once again shows how poorly the writer fact checked) during his tenure.

Inkana7
01-15-2011, 10:37 AM
All he's saying is he doesn't trust Cutler to win by 10 and beat the spread. A ten point spread is pretty big, especially against a team that just outgunned Brees and the defending Superbowl champs.

And the rest of the quote is factually incorrect as well. Cutler is 35-34 in the NFL. And Vandy was 11-35 (worse than written, but once again shows how poorly the writer fact checked) during his tenure.

The wonders of quickly checking pro-football-reference before the season is over and they've updated QB win-loss records: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm

And he's actually 35-33, since Todd Collins started in one Bears loss this year.

cabronco
01-15-2011, 10:51 AM
This is not a popular opinion but...Lets just say Jay Cutler got the last laugh. The coach that traded him, has lost his job (one of the reasons was b/c he traded his superstars). Jay has his bears in the playoff with a first round bye. While he looks back at this lost franchise with a 4-12 record. We have two below average years now, without Cutler. Lets put the past behind us, b/c there is a lot of things to look at this off-season with the new regime coming. Go Broncos!


I think its more like the Bears Defense has the bears in the playoffs w/ a first round bye. Jay has been the guy handing the ball to Forte. I think they intentionally reigned in Jay's passing attempts to avoid costly turnovers. I think JC has improved this year with his accuracy, plus its easier when teams have to respect the run game.

Agamemnon
01-15-2011, 10:56 AM
Cutler is probably one of the top five self-confident personalities that I've ever observed. Not the kind of fake, overcompensating self confidence that you observe in someone who bloviates about how great they are. He has a true, quiet self confidence that so many humans loathe.

It's called Narcissism, and there's a reason people loathe it.

broncosteven
01-15-2011, 11:00 AM
That douche is going to play in a playoff game this weekend.

Something your team hasn't done in five years.

Sucks to be you.

1970 and counting, SUCKS TO BE YOU!

Miss I.
01-15-2011, 11:08 AM
Cutler is probably one of the top five self-confident personalities that I've ever observed. Not the kind of fake, overcompensating self confidence that you observe in someone who bloviates about how great they are. He has a true, quiet self confidence that so many humans loathe.

What?

I realize about 5 other posters already hit this, but it did make my head do a bit of a turn.

I will agree he's got talent, but define him as top 5 self-confident? hardly.

Cocky arrogance that masks insecurity which explains his pouting constantly and occasionally throwing teammates under the bus. Cutler is arrogant and insecure, not confident. Peyton Manning is smug and arrogant, but he is actually confident too. I don't get confidence off of Cutler.

I don't loathe him, I wish for his sake and those around him he would get some self confidence, quiet or otherwise.

One QB I can think of who embodies quiet self confidence is Drew Brees. The other is Tom Brady, who despite his being so public, does actually seem to most of the time be quietly self confident with less smugness then Manning.

this is all subjective of course, but Jay does not nor has he ever struck me as self-confident. I think his errors come from the lack of it, in fact. He pushes ahead into bad situations to try to prove something and if he was self-confident he wouldn't do that so often.

Bronco Vixen
01-15-2011, 11:18 AM
What?

I realize about 5 other posters already hit this, but it did make my head do a bit of a turn.

I will agree he's got talent, but define him as top 5 self-confident? hardly.

Cocky arrogance that masks insecurity which explains his pouting constantly and occasionally throwing teammates under the bus. Cutler is arrogant and insecure, not confident. Peyton Manning is smug and arrogant, but he is actually confident too. I don't get confidence off of Cutler.

I don't loathe him, I wish for his sake and those around him he would get some self confidence, quiet or otherwise.

One QB I can think of who embodies quiet self confidence is Drew Brees. The other is Tom Brady, who despite his being so public, does actually seem to most of the time be quietly self confident with less smugness then Manning.

this is all subjective of course, but Jay does not nor has he ever struck me as self-confident. I think his errors come from the lack of it, in fact. He pushes ahead into bad situations to try to prove something and if he was self-confident he wouldn't do that so often.

Yes! Very well said.

I concur with everything you said (with the exception of Mr. Bundchen - who I think is just better at masking his smugness).
Drew Brees is a great guy. I got to know him a bit when I did some work for the Chargers. He is a genuinely kind, hard-working, not affected in the least, guy.

TheReverend
01-15-2011, 11:21 AM
The wonders of quickly checking pro-football-reference before the season is over and they've updated QB win-loss records: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm

And he's actually 35-33, since Todd Collins started in one Bears loss this year.

Ah, shoddy work on my part. Repped for fixing.

Merlin
01-15-2011, 12:26 PM
I think its more like the Bears Defense has the bears in the playoffs w/ a first round bye. Jay has been the guy handing the ball to Forte. I think they intentionally reigned in Jay's passing attempts to avoid costly turnovers. I think JC has improved this year with his accuracy, plus its easier when teams have to respect the run game.
The amount of misinformation in this forum about Cutler is truly surprising at times. First off, Cutler has always had very good accuracy, look at his passing pct. Even while he was being destroyed by the utter lack of protection and run game early this yr, Cutler still passed in the 60s. Now, regarding the D and the playoffs, we should get some fact straight:

You do realize that down the stretch, at crunch time, the D went AWOL and it was the offense that got them the wins. The D showed up again when the game didn't matter.

The last 5 games that mattered; i.e. when wins were critical for qualifying and seeding in the playoffs, the D did the following:

Against Phily 26 pts allowed
Against Det and their 3rd string QB 20 points allowed.
Against NE 36 points (but that can be forgiven, bad weather and NE after all)
Against Min, 3rd string QB drafted as a WR, 14 points
Against NYJ 34 points (24 in the first half)

D has been generally very good, but at very critical junction this season it faltered badly. There is absolutely no way anyone can reasonably argue the reason the Bears made the playoffs was because of the D and Cutler was a passenger. In fact, the Bears never get to the playoffs if it was on their D in the last 5 games that mattered. Cutler put up big numbers when it mattered against very good teams (and that Detroit game was when they were on a roll, in fact that was Detroit only loss once they went on that roll, which included wins against GB and the Bucs).

Quite simply, without Cutler that offense is just putrid. Their OL is mediocre when it is playing great, their best WR would not be a starting WR in half the teams in the NFL, and the run succeeds only because they cannot stack the line to stop the run, because then Cutler will have a field day. Cutler's big problem is his decision making at times, and it has improved dramatically in the second half of this season, and that may have something to do with him not to have to run for his life every other snap (the OL improved from atrocious to mediocre after the bye).

Merlin
01-15-2011, 12:29 PM
It's called Narcissism, and there's a reason people loathe it.
That's interesting. The qualities that Reilly is begging Cutler to develop (pursuit of adulation and attention) are exactly the character qualities associated with Narcissism, and what Cutler seems to be avoiding.

Merlin
01-15-2011, 12:36 PM
Cocky arrogance that masks insecurity which explains his pouting constantly and occasionally throwing teammates under the bus. Cutler is arrogant and insecure, not confident. Peyton Manning is smug and arrogant, but he is actually confident too.
I have read this numerous times in the Mane, but for the life of me I don't know what it is based on. Could you please provide some examples of Cutler throwing teammates under the bus. This season he was lucky to survive it with only one concussion, yet not once did he throw an OL, TE, or RB under the bus for failing his protection assignment. Meanwhile Manning threw his whole line under the bus after a playoff game even though it was his pathetic play against good defenses in the playoffs that were killing the Colts.

Is Cutler better than Manning? Not that can see, and at least not in the foreseeable future. But Manning is a very poor example to use when talking about players, confidence (in the playoffs against good D), and not throwing your teammates under a bus.

TonyR
01-15-2011, 12:37 PM
There is absolutely no way anyone can reasonably argue the reason the Bears made the playoffs was because of the D and Cutler was a passenger.

LOL

Hmm, let's see. Chicago's D was ranked 9th in yards allowed and 4th in points allowed while their O was ranked 30th in yards gained and 21st in points scored. I think a fairly reasonable argument can be made that the D carried this team, don't you think? Come on guy that's a horrible take.

Agamemnon
01-15-2011, 12:53 PM
That's interesting. The qualities that Reilly is begging Cutler to develop (pursuit of adulation and attention) are exactly the character qualities associated with Narcissism, and what Cutler seems to be avoiding.

Err...Narcissism has nothing to do with the pursuit of adulation and attention...

Miss I.
01-15-2011, 01:13 PM
I have read this numerous times in the Mane, but for the life of me I don't know what it is based on. Could you please provide some examples of Cutler throwing teammates under the bus. This season he was lucky to survive it with only one concussion, yet not once did he throw an OL, TE, or RB under the bus for failing his protection assignment. Meanwhile Manning threw his whole line under the bus after a playoff game even though it was his pathetic play against good defenses in the playoffs that were killing the Colts.

Is Cutler better than Manning? Not that can see, and at least not in the foreseeable future. But Manning is a very poor example to use when talking about players, confidence (in the playoffs against good D), and not throwing your teammates under a bus.

I will look up the specifics and get back to you. My recall is a bit vague but I seem to recall threads about things he said in Chicago calling out his receivers which may or may not be accurate as far as the receiving corps being poor, but its just not the trait of a leader to lay into them in public or that's my take anyway. There was something similar in Denver, but I think it related to Defense, not sure though (and yes our defense does suck, but that stuff should not be aired in public, its very divisive to the team).

As for using Manning I sort of see your point, but that wasn't actually what I meant and franklly when he threw his defense under the bus I think that was indicative of a hole in his armor and self confidence. In being unable to be responsible for his own mistakes and throwing his defense under the bus he showed even his own self confidence takes a beating. I don't think self confidence is solid, it ebbs and flows and when it ebbs we are usually at our worst.

EDIT:
Here are links, probably not as good as the original conferences but essentially the sources: http://www.faniq.com/article/Jay-Cutler-Calls-out-Devin-Hester-For-Being-Lazy--Nice-1770004

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Jay-Cutler-Calls-Out-His-Defense-After-The-Broncos-Loss-To-The-Chargers-Blog-16923

AlienBronco
01-15-2011, 01:27 PM
LOL

Hmm, let's see. Chicago's D was ranked 9th in yards allowed and 4th in points allowed while their O was ranked 30th in yards gained and 21st in points scored. I think a fairly reasonable argument can be made that the D carried this team, don't you think? Come on guy that's a horrible take.

To win a game you need to score points or not?

orangemonkey
01-15-2011, 02:07 PM
Cutler is probably one of the top five self-confident personalities that I've ever observed. Not the kind of fake, overcompensating self confidence that you observe in someone who bloviates about how great they are. He has a true, quiet self confidence that so many humans loathe.

Very true and this recent article supports your assessment. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/11/cutler-prepared-for-playoff-debut

orangemonkey
01-15-2011, 02:14 PM
I have read this numerous times in the Mane, but for the life of me I don't know what it is based on. Could you please provide some examples of Cutler throwing teammates under the bus.

It's pure BS Merlin. It's a lie that McD-nutswinger/Cutler-haters love to spew. No QB has thrown his players under the bus more than Peyton Manning. The truth about Cutler on this subject:

"Cutler's progress hasn't been limited to statistics. Last season, when a young receiving corps deserved some of the blame for Cutler's NFL-worst 26 interceptions, the quarterback showed newfound maturity, refusing to toss anyone under the bus. He was throwing to rookie Johnny Knox, second-year player and first-time starter Earl Bennett, Devin Hester or Devin Aromashodu, who all made their share of mistakes, but Cutler accepted the blame, even when he didn't deserve it.

This year, Cutler was sacked a whopping 52 times, but he never blamed an offensive line in flux that suffered through some embarrassing outings before finally jelling in the final weeks of the season.

There is no shortage of game film on Cutler reacting angrily to poor performance on the field, but according to Martz, it's always self-disgust"

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/11/cutler-prepared-for-playoff-debut

SoCalBronco
01-15-2011, 02:20 PM
I'm still pissed I won't be able to see the game tomorrow morning. :( Go Jay and Go Bears...kick Seattle's ass!

AlienBronco
01-15-2011, 02:25 PM
Very true and this recent article supports your assessment. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/11/cutler-prepared-for-playoff-debut

Yep, and then they begrudge him for a great Chicago D and Special team!

TonyR
01-15-2011, 02:34 PM
To win a game you need to score points or not?

So the fact that they scored points invalidates the statistical facts that clearly show Chicago had a well above average defense and a well below average offense?

AlienBronco
01-15-2011, 03:08 PM
No, it shows that the Offense does their part by scoring more points, with the help of Defense and Special team, then their opponents to get the win. Its a team effort.

OABB
01-15-2011, 04:00 PM
I am posting this in case I die of alcohol poisoning tomorrow. But I am going to drink a full glass of tequilla every time cutler turns over the ball tomorrow. I am giving myself a 12 hour window. But if cutlernextgeorge shows up, which we all know he will, I want bronconia to spread my rep to other members of the mane however he sees fit.

God bless.

Miss I.
01-15-2011, 04:02 PM
I am posting this in case I die of alcohol piosening tomorrow. But I am going to drink a full glass of tequilla every time cutler turns over the ball tomorrow. I am giving myself a 12 hour window. But if cutlernextgeorge shows up, which we all know he will, I want bronconia to spread my rep to other members of the mane however he sees fit.

God bless.

hey, important question...what kind of tequila? ;D

OABB
01-15-2011, 04:37 PM
hey, important question...what kind of tequila? ;D

patron.

SoCalBronco
01-15-2011, 06:41 PM
**** it....I can go to the office tomorrow afternoon, I have to see this game. I'm just going to delay going to the office until the afternoon then. Go Bears! I will watch it.

Missouribronc
01-15-2011, 11:46 PM
Haha...Cutler never threw the offensive line under the bus...you should pay attention. So should PFT...that idiot Florio is bound and determined to throw anything Broncos under the bus. This campaign to show Cutler as a hero, is obviously part of it. People in Chicago don't even like the guy.

extralife
01-16-2011, 12:53 AM
what a completely awful article, like everything else Reilly has ever written.

Jay Cutler spends time with underprivileged kids, buys gifts for entire hospitals, doesn't complain, doesn't make excuses--but he is a terrible human being because he doesn't give the media blow jobs and he wears his hat backward. rick reilly is the quintessential sports journalist: a moralizing hack with no talent, no knowledge, and a whole lot of belief that he is the best thing ever.

TomServo
01-16-2011, 02:30 AM
it a good thing this interweb wasnt around in Elways time. the man knew how to party and go 90 miles an hour down broadway.
Plus im betting anything as a QB he was a total prick. all great qb's are.
like that bad 80's movie "the best of times"
"when Reno was a prick, he was the best QB ever"

TomServo
01-16-2011, 02:48 AM
and OYEAH, his team is in the playoffs (2nd seed)and our team has the 2nd pick in the draft. we win?

TomServo
01-16-2011, 02:59 AM
and OYEAH, his team is in the playoffs (2nd seed)and our team has the 2nd pick in the draft. we win?

Cutler that is

Bronco Yoda
01-16-2011, 03:44 AM
I am posting this in case I die of alcohol poisoning tomorrow. But I am going to drink a full glass of tequilla every time cutler turns over the ball tomorrow. I am giving myself a 12 hour window. But if cutlernextgeorge shows up, which we all know he will, I want bronconia to spread my rep to other members of the mane however he sees fit.

God bless.

Start eating fatty and greasy foods, Pasta and hydrate. I've got a Voodoo doll with a pumpkin haircut already made :)

Royalfan19
01-16-2011, 09:44 AM
LOL

Hmm, let's see. Chicago's D was ranked 9th in yards allowed and 4th in points allowed while their O was ranked 30th in yards gained and 21st in points scored. I think a fairly reasonable argument can be made that the D carried this team, don't you think? Come on guy that's a horrible take.

The D was great this year, for crying out loud they held the packers to 3 points in the first half and 10 total in week 17, just before they blew out the giants by 30 at home.

However, that was not a must win game... and in the must-win games this year against playoff teams, merlin is correct, it was often Chicago's offense - specifically Cutler that came through for them.

It started early on in the season against a perceived great team - the cowboys in primetime, then the red hot eagles, the packers on primetime, the rejuvenated vikes for the 2 seed (who beat philly easily a week later) and the Jets who were in a must win game.

Cutler played relatively well in all those games (though he had a couple near picks in the packers game). Those were also games where the D gave up plenty of points. Against the Pats, in the first half, Cutler actually played very well, he was the single player on the Chicago O generating any production because they couldnt run it and their o-line was getting torn apart.

It was once they were behind by a lot, Cutler started throwing prayers - as he always does, and that kills his image. But seriously, would you rather have a guy who worries about his rating more? - Kyle Orton? I wouldn't, and neither would Denver, thats why Tebow is now the man here.

wandlc
01-16-2011, 03:16 PM
I am posting this in case I die of alcohol poisoning tomorrow. But I am going to drink a full glass of tequilla every time cutler turns over the ball tomorrow. I am giving myself a 12 hour window. But if cutlernextgeorge shows up, which we all know he will, I want bronconia to spread my rep to other members of the mane however he sees fit.

God bless.

I guess your are sober and not quite as knowledgeable as you think you are. The Cutler haters can continue to hope that he fails to justify the trade but I seriously doubt that is going to happen.

SouthStndJunkie
01-16-2011, 07:01 PM
Good for Jay Cutler....I enjoy watching him sling the rock.

But it kind of sucks seeing the QB we drafted that I knew was going to kick ass take another team to the NFC Championship Game while we went 4-12.

The only saving grace will be is if Tim Tebow turns out to be the answer for us.

SoCalBronco
01-16-2011, 07:06 PM
Good for Jay Cutler....I enjoy watching him sling the rock.

But it kind of sucks seeing the QB we drafted that I knew was going to kick ass take another team to the NFC Championship Game while we went 4-12.

The only saving grace will be is if Tim Tebow turns out to be the answer for us.

That's a really good post, man.

While I'm angry that Jay was exiled from here by the Gutless One, Wormtongue and Josh, I think Josh did a good job kind of making up for his ****up by taking a chance on Tim. Tim has huge skills and a great work ethic. I believe in him. He will get it done and he will become a great all around QB for this team.

broncosteven
01-16-2011, 07:16 PM
That's a really good post, man.

While I'm angry that Jay was exiled from here by the Gutless One, Wormtongue and Josh, I think Josh did a good job kind of making up for his ****up by taking a chance on Tim. Tim has huge skills and a great work ethic. I believe in him. He will get it done and he will become a great all around QB for this team.

Tebow seems to have "The Right Stuff" (rep if you get the hidden meaning) needed to win in the NFL.

The Houston comeback was fun. With a real D and commitment to finding a real run game I think our future is way brighter that it was at this time last year.

colonelbeef
01-16-2011, 07:52 PM
I am posting this in case I die of alcohol poisoning tomorrow. But I am going to drink a full glass of tequilla every time cutler turns over the ball tomorrow. I am giving myself a 12 hour window. But if cutlernextgeorge shows up, which we all know he will, I want bronconia to spread my rep to other members of the mane however he sees fit.

God bless.

yet another McFanboy owned by Jay Cutler

bendog
01-16-2011, 07:58 PM
They got Johnny ****ing Knox in too in that trade. hand me the ky

colonelbeef
01-16-2011, 08:00 PM
He "roasted" Reilly on his tone. Not his facts. There's a huge difference. I'm also disappointed that you, Taco, can't see the difference, too.


Shocker, you failed to grasp the point of the article.

It's a nuanced article which clearly went over your biased head

Odysseus
01-16-2011, 08:37 PM
Very true and this recent article supports your assessment. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/11/cutler-prepared-for-playoff-debut

I hope Cutler gets a ring.

Odysseus
01-16-2011, 08:39 PM
That's a really good post, man.

While I'm angry that Jay was exiled from here by the Gutless One, Wormtongue and Josh, I think Josh did a good job kind of making up for his ****up by taking a chance on Tim. Tim has huge skills and a great work ethic. I believe in him. He will get it done and he will become a great all around QB for this team.

I hope Tebow is the answer but this team needs a lot of help.

Gutless Drunk
01-16-2011, 08:53 PM
27905


27906

ghwk
01-16-2011, 08:59 PM
27905


27906

Call me shallow but who's the chick on the left.....:yayaya:

SoCalBronco
01-16-2011, 09:02 PM
27905


27906

That's obviously a photoshop. Jay would never spend time with kids. He's a supreme douche and da debil.



/tsiguy

Missouribronc
01-16-2011, 09:10 PM
Shocker, you failed to grasp the point of the article.

It's a nuanced article which clearly went over your biased head

Which article? The one where Rick Reilly posts a number of facts, or the one where Florio makes **** up?

Which article went over who's head? Reference the piece of **** article Florio wrote about Rodgers where he admits to bashing opinion pieces solely for the fact that they were written by a competitor.

Florio is a douche. Not surprisingly, colonelbeef plays along.

Gutless Drunk
01-16-2011, 09:10 PM
Call me shallow but who's the chick on the left.....:yayaya:

That's his girlfriend Kristin Cavallari and according to her twitter she loves him with all her heart...aawwwwww
Man is this Cutler a loser or what?
27907

OABB
01-16-2011, 09:14 PM
That's his girlfriend Kristin Cavallari and according to her twitter she loves him with all her heart...aawwwwww
Man is this Cutler a loser or what?
27907

I'm glad he's found the love of such a deep, wonderful and articulate woman.

bpc
01-16-2011, 10:17 PM
That's a really good post, man.

While I'm angry that Jay was exiled from here by the Gutless One, Wormtongue and Josh, I think Josh did a good job kind of making up for his ****up by taking a chance on Tim. Tim has huge skills and a great work ethic. I believe in him. He will get it done and he will become a great all around QB for this team.

I was recalling a vision I had after Shanahan got fired... Rex Ryan coaching the defense of a Jay Cutler led Broncos team.

Then Pat Bowlen had to **** it up six ways to Sunday by not only passing on interviewing Rex but also bringing in McDouche who eventually ran Cutler off.

**** ain't been right since.

Archer81
01-16-2011, 10:19 PM
**** ain't been right since 1999.


:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
01-16-2011, 10:21 PM
I was recalling a vision I had after Shanahan got fired... Rex Ryan coaching the defense of a Jay Cutler led Broncos team.

Then Pat Bowlen had to **** it up six ways to Sunday by not only passing on interviewing Rex but also bringing in McDouche who eventually ran Cutler off.

**** ain't been right since.


I feel your pain bro....hopefully we'll get back to good times, soon. I believe Tebow will lead us there. Go Tebow and Go Cutler!

_Oro_
01-17-2011, 07:46 AM
I was recalling a vision I had after Shanahan got fired... Rex Ryan coaching the defense of a Jay Cutler led Broncos team.

Then Pat Bowlen had to **** it up six ways to Sunday by not only passing on interviewing Rex but also bringing in McDouche who eventually ran Cutler off.

**** ain't been right since.

Maybe Pat didn't interview him because he specifically said that he wanted to coach on the east coast.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 08:24 AM
Sweet Baby Jay! Dude has been playing well for the past 2 1/2 months.

He was kind of average before because of the turnovers. He could huck the TD's fine, but he was hurting his teams with the turnovers.

79 INT's, 31 fumbles lost in his 68 games. I feel pretty sure that leads the NFL in those 4 1/3 years.

I have to give a lot of credit to the Bears FO and coaching staff. They gave up consecutive #1's in 2009/2010 and are still in the NFCCG. Opened up the checkbook for Peppers, and that paid off fairly well.

Odysseus
01-17-2011, 09:21 AM
I think Cutler could have made it in Denver.

If Tebow fails I blame coaching. He has heart but more important he has natural talent, skills and early fan support. Those are critical and perishable resources.

Question: Does anyone think that Sanchez is carrying the Jets or is it that D word?

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 09:25 AM
I'm glad he's found the love of such a deep, wonderful and articulate woman.

I'm jealous. Chick's loaded too.

BroncoBuff
01-17-2011, 10:24 AM
Good for Jay Cutler....I enjoy watching him sling the rock.

But it kind of sucks seeing the QB we drafted that I knew was going to kick ass take another team to the NFC Championship Game while we went 4-12.

Agreed ... I still love the kid, even though he is an emo mama's boy.

In Reilly's column ... I think some of Jay's behavior can be characterized as benign, unintentional ... especially zoning out on TV at the restaurant and not seeing Lynch talking to him. Imo there's a wide variety of natural personality quirks, along a kind of continuum between ADD and autistic-like behaviors. We all know that guy who keeps talking and talking and talking no matter how much body language or how many clues we give him. Some of these Cutler examples sound more like that than oafish disrespect.

Besides, Jay has a damn good record on the big stuff, if you care to look:

He was all set to declare for the draft after his junior year when a teammate was killed in an accident. He canceled his plans, went with his teammates to the funeral in Florida, and came back for his senior year.
Pushing through the diabetes in '07 was a bona fide Profile in Courage. He lost 35 pounds in just 8 weeks, was sleeping 12 hours a day and peeing gallons. Yet he kept showing up and putting up numbers. Actually it might have been kind of irresponsible that he didn't seek medical attention sooner.
Remember the fumble at the 3-yard line that lost the '08 Raiders game at Invesco? Jay took the blame over and over ... but on the replay it was Hillis's fault, definitely

I'll never believe he wasn't shocked when the trade happened. He was unsure, riled ... furthest thing from happy or relieved. He gave interviews later claiming he didn't want to be traded ... where's the upside to him saying that? I think he really believed Pat would protect him while he pouted ... just like mommy always did.


:twokisses

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 10:33 AM
I'll never believe he wasn't shocked when the trade happened. He was unsure, riled ... furthest thing from happy or relieved. He gave interviews later claiming he didn't want to be traded ... where's the upside to him saying that? I think he really believed Pat would protect him while he pouted ... just like mommy always did.

Actually there's footage of him hearing about the trade and high fiving everyone in the gym in Tennessee. Kid had a lot of foresight about McDaniels :)

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 03:39 PM
Agreed ... I still love the kid, even though he is an emo mama's boy.

In Reilly's column ... I think some of Jay's behavior can be characterized as benign, unintentional ... especially zoning out on TV at the restaurant and not seeing Lynch talking to him. Imo there's a wide variety of natural personality quirks, along a kind of continuum between ADD and autistic-like behaviors. We all know that guy who keeps talking and talking and talking no matter how much body language or how many clues we give him. Some of these Cutler examples sound more like that than oafish disrespect.

Besides, Jay has a damn good record on the big stuff, if you care to look:

He was all set to declare for the draft after his junior year when a teammate was killed in an accident. He canceled his plans, went with his teammates to the funeral in Florida, and came back for his senior year.
Pushing through the diabetes in '07 was a bona fide Profile in Courage. He lost 35 pounds in just 8 weeks, was sleeping 12 hours a day and peeing gallons. Yet he kept showing up and putting up numbers. Actually it might have been kind of irresponsible that he didn't seek medical attention sooner.
Remember the fumble at the 3-yard line that lost the '08 Raiders game at Invesco? Jay took the blame over and over ... but on the replay it was Hillis's fault, definitely

I'll never believe he wasn't shocked when the trade happened. He was unsure, riled ... furthest thing from happy or relieved. He gave interviews later claiming he didn't want to be traded ... where's the upside to him saying that? I think he really believed Pat would protect him while he pouted ... just like mommy always did.

:twokisses

Maybe so. Dude needed that pouting period, I guess.

BroncoBuff
01-17-2011, 04:15 PM
Cutler is probably one of the top five self-confident personalities that I've ever observed. Not the kind of fake, overcompensating self confidence that you observe in someone who bloviates about how great they are. He has a true, quiet self confidence that so many humans loathe.

That's sounds right, but it doesn't really explain staring at the TV all night instead of talking to John, or seeming to ignore John Lynch in his face. I like my my borderline personality theory better ... maybe a combination of both.

Curious, who are the other four on your list? I read Fred MacMurray's bio, of all people, and he's gotta be on my list. The 'Long Dong Club' was not a myth, and believe it or not, he was one of if not the richest actor in Hollywood in the 40s and 50s.

BroncoBuff
01-17-2011, 04:23 PM
Maybe so. Dude needed that pouting period, I guess.

Yeah, but the Rev kinda knocked a hole in my theory earlier ... apparently there's video of him whooping it up when the trade was announced. Strange. I don't doubt it, but I'd like to see the thing. It doesn't fit with the interviews I saw that night.

But the real headline here is: WELCOME BACK OUT OF THE CLOSET CUTLER FANS! We got kinda scarred up, but me and SoCal didn't mind taking all the incoming fire while you were hiding for two years ... :~ohyah!:

zdoor
01-17-2011, 04:25 PM
Actually there's footage of him hearing about the trade and high fiving everyone in the gym in Tennessee. Kid had a lot of foresight about McDaniels :)

Lol... Unfortunately, IMO, that's what happens when kids lead kids... In Jay's case it's somewhat the norm as how many 25 year old multi millionaire athletes have any real amount of maturity? McD on the other hand was hired to be a leader of men, and well, we saw how that worked out in the end.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 04:28 PM
I think Cutler could have made it in Denver.

If Tebow fails I blame coaching. He has heart but more important he has natural talent, skills and early fan support. Those are critical and perishable resources.

Question: Does anyone think that Sanchez is carrying the Jets or is it that D word?

Sure Cutler could have been good in Denver, but I think he was a little bit intimidated by Elway's shadow. Cutler even spoke about that after he was traded.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 04:51 PM
Yeah, but the Rev kinda knocked a hole in my theory earlier ... apparently there's video of him whooping it up when the trade was announced. Strange. I don't doubt it, but I'd like to see the thing. It doesn't fit with the interviews I saw that night.

But the real headline here is: WELCOME BACK OUT OF THE CLOSET CUTLER FANS! We got kinda scarred up, but me and SoCal didn't mind taking all the incoming fire while you were hiding for two years ... :~ohyah!:

I'm thinking he was relieved of some pressure at that point. And I think Martz and Lovie relieved him of some pressure somewhere around November 7th, 2010, after their bye week. Chicago reduced the pass attempts, increased the running attempts, started throwing the infamous 'bubble screens', threw more tailback screens.

Cutler is still shaky at times, but he's really clicking with Martz and his receivers since the bye week. He's finding the open guy for long gains and TD's.

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 05:26 PM
I'm thinking he was relieved of some pressure at that point. And I think Martz and Lovie relieved him of some pressure somewhere around November 7th, 2010, after their bye week. Chicago reduced the pass attempts, increased the running attempts, started throwing the infamous 'bubble screens', threw more tailback screens.

Cutler is still shaky at times, but he's really clicking with Martz and his receivers since the bye week. He's finding the open guy for long gains and TD's.

The majority of the teams passing attempts came in the 2nd half of the season, actually, which conveniently fits your Nov 7th date.

Forte only had 22 of his 51 receptions after the half (and that includes a gaudy 8 in the season finale) and only 9 of Taylor's 20 came after the half.

Also, Knox's production in the 2nd half was 18 ypc off 24 receptions (missed last game). So highly doubting that came from "infamous bubble screens".

Would you like to try again?

BroncoBuff
01-17-2011, 05:29 PM
Very impressive numbers-crunching there, Rev.

frerottenextelway
01-17-2011, 05:38 PM
The majority of the teams passing attempts came in the 2nd half of the season, actually, which conveniently fits your Nov 7th date.

Forte only had 22 of his 51 receptions after the half (and that includes a gaudy 8 in the season finale) and only 9 of Taylor's 20 came after the half.

Also, Knox's production in the 2nd half was 18 ypc off 24 receptions (missed last game). So highly doubting that came from "infamous bubble screens".

Would you like to try again?

I'm sorry Rev, but I have to bust out my new graphic.

http://historybyday.com/photos/statchild.jpg

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 05:43 PM
I'm sorry Rev, but I have to bust out my new graphic.

http://historybyday.com/photos/statchild.jpg

I don't mind at all. I'd mind even less if it were slightly amusing. Oh well. Erie can't pump out all hits.

frerottenextelway
01-17-2011, 05:45 PM
I don't mind at all. I'd mind even less if it were slightly amusing. Oh well. Erie can't pump out all hits.

Well, as the saying goes, if you can't laugh at yourself, I will.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 05:49 PM
The majority of the teams passing attempts came in the 2nd half of the season, actually, which conveniently fits your Nov 7th date.

Forte only had 22 of his 51 receptions after the half (and that includes a gaudy 8 in the season finale) and only 9 of Taylor's 20 came after the half.

Also, Knox's production in the 2nd half was 18 ypc off 24 receptions (missed last game). So highly doubting that came from "infamous bubble screens".

Would you like to try again?

Well, let's take a look, mutt:

Chicago, first 7 games of the season, one of which Cutler did not play:

36.2 pass attempts per game.

After the bye week, commencing with the November 7th game, Chicago 28 pass attempts per game. The aberration was the last game of the season when Cutler threw 39 passes, and the 11/14/10 game when he threw 35 passes.

Cutler was at 16 TD's and 9 INT's since the bye week. Also had some nice runs, didn't fumble at his usual rate.

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 05:50 PM
Well, as the saying goes, if you can't laugh at yourself, I will.

I don't have a problem with that or laughing at myself.

However, using stats relevantly to completely refute a false take on a football message board kinda fits the purpose of the message board perfectly.

The graphic would be adorable on like a cars forum though.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 05:53 PM
Very impressive numbers-crunching there, Rev.

How you like my number-crunching, Buff?

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 05:56 PM
I don't have a problem with that or laughing at myself.

However, using stats relevantly to completely refute a false take on a football message board kinda fits the purpose of the message board perfectly.

The graphic would be adorable on like a cars forum though.

You can be a mutt sometimes, Rev, and you're my mutt right now. Gotcha.

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 06:01 PM
Well, let's take a look, mutt:

Chicago, first 7 games of the season, one of which Cutler did not play:

36.2 pass attempts per game.

After the bye week, commencing with the November 7th game, Chicago 28 pass attempts per game. The aberration was the last game of the season when Cutler threw 39 passes, and the 11/14/10 game when he threw 35 passes.

Cutler was at 16 TD's and 9 INT's since the bye week. Also had some nice runs, didn't fumble at his usual rate.

First, yup, forgot about the game and a half Cutler missed to injury. My fault! 36.2 pass attempts per game? That's completely wrong.

They had 466 pass attempts all season. If we're including the Nov 7th game, 251 of them came after, leaving 215 over the first 7 games. That's less than 31 per game.

251 over the remaining 9 is 28 pass attempts per game.

So yes, the pass attempts did shrink, by less than 3 per game (if you include decimals). Probably a larger influence on those 3 per game was winning more games (7-2 over the last 9 compared to 4-3 to start)

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 06:01 PM
How you like my number-crunching, Buff?

It was terrible and wrong?

frerottenextelway
01-17-2011, 06:05 PM
I don't have a problem with that or laughing at myself.

However, using stats relevantly to completely refute a false take on a football message board kinda fits the purpose of the message board perfectly.

The graphic would be adorable on like a cars forum though.

I have nothing against stats, but you need to lighten up.

Both your takes are missing the biggest piece to puzzle, which is why sometimes stats fail and watching the games is what is important. The Bears OL up until the bye was the 2nd worst I have ever seen, then they turned into a decent unit, which explains both your stats.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 06:40 PM
First, yup, forgot about the game and a half Cutler missed to injury. My fault! 36.2 pass attempts per game? That's completely wrong.

They had 466 pass attempts all season. If we're including the Nov 7th game, 251 of them came after, leaving 215 over the first 7 games. That's less than 31 per game.

251 over the remaining 9 is 28 pass attempts per game.

So yes, the pass attempts did shrink, by less than 3 per game (if you include decimals). Probably a larger influence on those 3 per game was winning more games (7-2 over the last 9 compared to 4-3 to start)

Yup. The bottom line is they dialed back the O from passing to running, or lots of screens and bubble screens. Look at that Seattle playoff game. There was what, maybe 5 screens to tailbacks or TE? And three bubble screens to the WR? And the total passes thrown by Cutler were 28? That's about 25% of Cutler's passes short.

I'm not arguing that Cutler/Martz has not been working D's and succeeding. I pointed out long ago they're 16 TD's and 9 INT's since the bye, and doing dang well. Cutler is hitting the long passes well, identifying the one-on-one coverage and throwing some nice deep balls.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 06:51 PM
I have nothing against stats, but you need to lighten up.

Both your takes are missing the biggest piece to puzzle, which is why sometimes stats fail and watching the games is what is important. The Bears OL up until the bye was the 2nd worst I have ever seen, then they turned into a decent unit, which explains both your stats.

I was thinking Martz or maybe Lovie decided to turn the running game up a notch, getting Forte involved a little bit more.

frerottenextelway
01-17-2011, 06:57 PM
I was thinking Martz or maybe Lovie decided to turn the running game up a notch, getting Forte involved a little bit more.

Forte was DOA behind that line early in the season. That's more than any reason why they passed as much then.

If I may enter nerdom for a sec, here's Forte's game logs (and it was even uglier than the stats show).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8821/gamelog

frerottenextelway
01-17-2011, 07:02 PM
Btw, I wonder if it was Mike Tice that turned it around or if Lovie took over. We'll find out if Tice gets fired.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 07:32 PM
Btw, I wonder if it was Mike Tice that turned it around or if Lovie took over. We'll find out if Tice gets fired.

It sure would be nice to have a weapon like Hester.

frerottenextelway
01-17-2011, 07:46 PM
It sure would be nice to have a weapon like Hester.

No doubt, he's a once in a generation Special Teams player.

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 08:09 PM
I have nothing against stats, but you need to lighten up.

Both your takes are missing the biggest piece to puzzle, which is why sometimes stats fail and watching the games is what is important. The Bears OL up until the bye was the 2nd worst I have ever seen, then they turned into a decent unit, which explains both your stats.

That OL was one of the worst I've ever seen long after the bye (4 sacks vs philly, 4 vs detroit). It didnt start to gel until mid December, imo, and they still gave up SIX SACKS in the season finale.

frerottenextelway
01-17-2011, 08:29 PM
That OL was one of the worst I've ever seen long after the bye (4 sacks vs philly, 4 vs detroit). It didnt start to gel until mid December, imo, and they still gave up SIX SACKS in the season finale.

They ran for over 100 in each the 3 games you mention, something I think they only did once pre-bye. They're still not a great unit, but it's night and day compared to how they opened the season, something everyone who watched them would agree with. Congrats to Tice or Lovie, whichever one gave that unit a whooping.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 08:31 PM
That OL was one of the worst I've ever seen long after the bye (4 sacks vs philly, 4 vs detroit). It didnt start to gel until mid December, imo, and they still gave up SIX SACKS in the season finale.

Gonna be an interesting NFCCG.

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 08:35 PM
Gonna be an interesting NFCCG.

Absolutely. I got the feeling that Cutler thought he was going to get pulled after every sack/series in that game and wasn't completely into it.

This weekend is another story :)

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 08:44 PM
They ran for over 100 in each the 3 games you mention, something I think they only did once pre-bye. They're still not a great unit, but it's night and day compared to how they opened the season, something everyone who watched them would agree with. Congrats to Tice or Lovie, whichever one gave that unit a whooping.

Sheesh, what is Martz gonna pull against GB? Do they know all his tricks? He's kind of slick. And Cutler can execute the long ball, man he's throwing the long ball so well the past couple months.

wandlc
01-17-2011, 09:05 PM
In the last game against GB the Bears ran the same hot reads and line calls that they did in the first game. They also ran a fairly basic defense in that game, which speaks volumes about running the same defensive system for years. The Bear's defense relied on team speed and the basic fundamentals of their defense to hold GB to just 10 points. It will be an interesting game for sure this weekend.

TheReverend
01-17-2011, 09:13 PM
In the last game against GB the Bears ran the same hot reads and line calls that they did in the first game. They also ran a fairly basic defense in that game, which speaks volumes about running the same defensive system for years. The Bear's defense relied on team speed and the basic fundamentals of their defense to hold GB to just 10 points. It will be an interesting game for sure this weekend.

I will feast on tears that carry a cheese aftertaste.

SoCalBronco
01-17-2011, 09:15 PM
I will feast on tears that carry a cheese aftertaste.

Hey Rev.....why do I get the impression that this was a line in your book?

:)

Eldorado
01-17-2011, 09:16 PM
You are all 6's.

Deal with it. And carry on.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 10:06 PM
In the last game against GB the Bears ran the same hot reads and line calls that they did in the first game. They also ran a fairly basic defense in that game, which speaks volumes about running the same defensive system for years. The Bear's defense relied on team speed and the basic fundamentals of their defense to hold GB to just 10 points. It will be an interesting game for sure this weekend.

Well, the Bears only scored 3 last time, was Martz holding back? The Bears gave up SIX SACKS the last time they met in game sixteen.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2011, 10:14 PM
Hey Rev.....why do I get the impression that this was a line in your book?

:)

You two need a room, or what?

Odysseus
01-18-2011, 03:03 AM
Sure Cutler could have been good in Denver, but I think he was a little bit intimidated by Elway's shadow. Cutler even spoke about that after he was traded.

I think Elways needs to be part of the front office so that whatever QB we have in play is not dealing with a ghost. He's a real person. I think Elway is making the right moves making sure that he is available to both staff and fans. That was a very smart leadership move on his part.

TheReverend
01-18-2011, 06:06 AM
You are all 6's.

Deal with it. And carry on.

No, but I can name at least 100 people on this site that are

Brings down the average of my "10" Ha!

TheReverend
01-18-2011, 06:07 AM
Hey Rev.....why do I get the impression that this was a line in your book?

:)

I might try and sneak it in my new one somehow.

Merlin
01-18-2011, 09:30 AM
But the real headline here is: WELCOME BACK OUT OF THE CLOSET CUTLER FANS!
There have been many more people defending Cutler's performance in the past couple of years that you and SoCal, but then again, lawyers can be so self-absorbed at times it is not surprising you didn't notice ;)

Here are some other interisting stats the haters ignore when they state Cutler does not do well under pressure.

When his defense allows 20 or less points his teams are 24-5.

His teams are 15-6 when the game is decided by 4 or less.

Lastly, his teams are 22-0 when he has a rating of 100 or more. This last one is interesting. His good ratings are not dependent on teams giving him short passing games because his team is being blown out.

It should be an interesting game. As Wandlc already noted, the hot reads and line calls in the last game. But they also abandoned a running game that was working and would have easily slowed down the rush and protected Cutler allowing him more time. That being said, Chicago was a couple of errant throws from winning that game. His last interception is a pass he probably makes 95% of the time. His problem has been decision making under duress, not accuracy. Chicago got far more tape material from that game than GB (a little reminiscent of Patriots-Giants last game of the season and then SB, the Giants were able to change their game plan, the Patriots didn't know what to do), it will be interesting to see if it helps.

Despite all the hoopla with Rogers, I expect Chicago to win because of their D, STs and lastly their O. Rogers was held in check, and this was after him destroying the Giants in the previous game. They held him in check at their house, and with their basic D package. They are now playing in Chicago, where the D can really come after him and his WRs, the STs will give them good field position whether they punt to Hester or not (when teams try to avoid him they kick some ugly punts). Lastly the O will be able to hear the calls at the lines, will be playing the O of the second half, will better protect Cutler through play calls and be able to keep their O off the field. I highly doubt a GB win is a given as so many suggest.

PS Since the push for the playoffs and the playoff game (i.e. when the pressure is on), Cutler's passer rating has been over 104 in 5 out 7 games. The only games he did not do well were against NE, where he started well, but the offense started fumbling the ball and the D was getting burned left right in and center, so his game dropped in the second half. And the GB game, which had absolutely no significance and the offense was not changed from the previous encounter. Ignoring Seattle, the other teams he did well against are Detroit (whose D was playing well and shut down GB the following week), Philly who was on a fire at the time, Minni a top 10 D (he put 40 on them under horrible conditions), and the NYJ who were desperate for a win and are a top 5 D (he put 36 on them). We'll see if his fortune continues.

TheReverend
01-18-2011, 09:40 AM
Lastly, his teams are 22-0 when he has a rating of 100 or more. This last one is interesting. His good ratings are not dependent on teams giving him short passing games because his team is being blown out.

Just to add on that, people like to harp on that being more indicative of him "losing games" when he personally plays poorly, but it's more a factor of him trying to get them back into a game with a risky big play when theyre behind causing his rating to drop.

orangemonkey
01-18-2011, 09:46 AM
Ignoring Seattle, the other teams he did well against are Detroit (whose D was playing well and shut down GB the following week), Philly who was on a fire at the time, Minni a top 10 D (he put 40 on them under horrible conditions), and the NYJ who were desperate for a win and are a top 5 D (he put 36 on them). We'll see if his fortune continues.

Good post. The Bears D gave up 60 combined points against NY/Philly and Jay still executed 8 TDs.

Missouribronc
01-18-2011, 09:47 AM
When his defense allows 20 or less points his teams are 24-5.

When Orton's teams allow 20 or less points, he is 26-6.

I think it would be pretty safe to say that's a universal number for all quarterbacks...

Royalfan19
01-18-2011, 09:49 AM
Well, the Bears only scored 3 last time, was Martz holding back? The Bears gave up SIX SACKS the last time they met in game sixteen.

The week 17 game meeting between the packers and bears both of which were coming off hot victories against the two new york teams, was a bit of an enigma.

In that game the Bears held Rodgers scoreless for the first half, 10 points for the game, after the hottest game of Packers offense in the regular season. They have, in 2 games against the packers held that offense to 13.5 points despite multiple turnovers from the offense. In comparison, Pittsburgh's league leading defense averages 14.5 points allowed per game.

Then on offense, Chicago averaged 6.5 yards per rush with Matt Forte, yet they decided to run the ball only 15 times in a game where they lead for most of the time, and never trailed by more than 1 score. In contrast, Chicago came out in the Seahawks game and ran the ball nearly 40 times.

The obvious argument is hey, why would the bears hold back in a game where they are playing all their starters. But if you look at the Seahawks game, once it was out of reach in the late third quarter, the bears started running weird plays. 1.) They had Forte throw the ball. 2.) Matt Hassellback said in an interview that late in the game, they were able to score against the Bears because it looked like the defense was calling plays just to call plays (the Bears never blitz, but called multiple cover 0 blitzes and zone blitzes), and that it seemed like they were playing in preparation for next week.

Who knows whats going to happen next weekend, but I do think the Bears held back quite a bit of stuff on offense against the packers. Anytime you come out in double TE sets for much of the game and don't run it more than 15 times, you must be doing something funky.

Royalfan19
01-18-2011, 09:52 AM
When Orton's teams allow 20 or less points, he is 26-6.

I think it would be pretty safe to say that's a universal number for all quarterbacks...

Orton is on a offense centric football team, where the talent is invested in the offensive support players. Cutler's offense is literally him and Matt Forte, the rest of their talent is in defense, where they average less than 20 points per game allowed.

Some stat guy did a break down of Cutler's passer rating in football games, where he found that when Cutler is down by 7 points or less in a football game his QB rating is in the high 90s. When he's up by 7 points or more, its in the low 70s. Classic case of a kid who performs when he pays attention, and starts to relax or play recklessly when he gets over confident.

The fact is he's a lot like the guy in Pittsburgh. And that has its benefits and draw backs, but if he starts winning like the guy in Pittsburgh, who's going to argue against a QB like that?

Missouribronc
01-18-2011, 09:55 AM
Cutler is also 2-16 when his passer rating is lower than 70.

orangemonkey
01-18-2011, 09:56 AM
The week 17 game meeting between the packers and bears both of which were coming off hot victories against the two new york teams, was a bit of an enigma.

In that game the Bears held Rodgers scoreless for the first half, 10 points for the game, after the hottest game of Packers offense in the regular season. They have, in 2 games against the packers held that offense to 13.5 points despite multiple turnovers from the offense. In comparison, Pittsburgh's league leading defense averages 14.5 points allowed per game.

Then on offense, Chicago averaged 6.5 yards per rush with Matt Forte, yet they decided to run the ball only 15 times in a game where they lead for most of the time, and never trailed by more than 1 score. In contrast, Chicago came out in the Seahawks game and ran the ball nearly 40 times.

The obvious argument is hey, why would the bears hold back in a game where they are playing all their starters. But if you look at the Seahawks game, once it was out of reach in the late third quarter, the bears started running weird plays. 1.) They had Forte throw the ball. 2.) Matt Hassellback said in an interview that late in the game, they were able to score against the Bears because it looked like the defense was calling plays just to call plays, and that it seemed like they were playing in preparation for next week.

Who knows whats going to happen next weekend, but I do think the Bears held back quite a bit of stuff on offense against the packers. Anytime you come out in double TE sets for much of the game and don't run it more than 15 times, you must be doing something funky.

Bingo. I think you are right. I thought Urlacher's post game comments were interesting when he said the game didn't mean anything to him and the Bears. Not a typical Urlacher attitude.

Missouribronc
01-18-2011, 09:57 AM
Orton is on a offense centric football team, where the talent is invested in the offensive support players. Cutler's offense is literally him and Matt Forte, the rest of their talent is in defense, where they average less than 20 points per game allowed.

Some stat guy did a break down of Cutler's passer rating in football games, where he found that when Cutler is down by 7 points or less in a football game his QB rating is in the high 90s. When he's up by 7 points or more, its in the low 70s. Classic case of a kid who performs when he pays attention, and starts to relax or play recklessly when he gets over confident.

The fact is he's a lot like the guy in Pittsburgh. And that has its benefits and draw backs, but if he starts winning like the guy in Pittsburgh, who's going to argue against a QB like that?

21 of those 32 games were with the Bears.

orangemonkey
01-18-2011, 09:59 AM
I have to admit, this is the best Cutler thread title ever.

Missouribronc
01-18-2011, 10:03 AM
In contrast, Kyle Orton is 8-12 when his quarterback rating is below 70. Only 5 of those games have come since he came to Denver. He is 0-5 in those games, though.

Gutless Drunk
01-18-2011, 05:03 PM
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