Far-Left Continues Violent Palin Rhetoric

[epicSocialism4tw]

That didnt take long, did it? I mean what was it...2 hours of "coming together"? Or was it even that long?

http://sfist.com/2011/01/12/anti-palin_posters_appear_in_san_fr.php

[Paladin]

Palin just doesn't get it. So, no need to say any thing. She will just discount herself out of the picture.

"Libel blood", indeed. There goes the Jewish vote.....

[epicSocialism4tw]

Palin just doesn't get it. So, no need to say any thing. She will just discount herself out of the picture.

"Libel blood", indeed. There goes the Jewish vote.....

No, its "blood libel".

It sounds like the "jewish vote" is just fine:

"The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term." - Alan Dershowitz

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/12/dershowitz-gives-palin-the-go-ahead-on-blood-libel.aspx

The most prominent Jewish defender in America defended Palin's use of the term.


So are you going to condemn the violent rhetoric against Palin, or do you just want to ban the "violent rhetoric" that suits you?

[peacepipe]

No, its "blood libel".

It sounds like the "jewish vote" is just fine:

"The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term." - Alan Dershowitz

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/12/dershowitz-gives-palin-the-go-ahead-on-blood-libel.aspx

The most prominent Jewish defender in America defended Palin's use of the term.


So are you going to condemn the violent rhetoric against Palin, or do you just want to ban the "violent rhetoric" that suits you?

Your quoting OJ simpsons attorney as the leading authority on where jews stand on Palins comment? every other jewish org. has condemned palin for it.

[Rohirrim]

Got to hand it to drama llama. Some random joker slaps up some posters in San Francisco and his headline? Far-Left Continues Violent Palin Rhetoric

I'm sure that even chicken little would bow before this ninja of hysteria.

[Mile High Shack]

this has no place, but I feel it's my duty to class up every one of llama's posts

http://i.imgur.com/ADgkC.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

Your quoting OJ simpsons attorney as the leading authority on where jews stand on Palins comment? every other jewish org. has condemned palin for it.

The guy is not just OJ's attorney. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz

[TailgateNut]

I see the Board clown is still at it! DramaQueenIncognito!

[Rigs11]

karma is a betch isn't it Palin?

[Rigs11]

gotta love how she plays the victim, and yahoos alike drama lap it up:rofl:

[epicSocialism4tw]

gotta love how she plays the victim, and yahoos alike drama lap it up:rofl:

She was a victim, she didnt play a victim.

You must have forgot how the far-left wackos and their media alike immediately blamed the Arizona shooting on Palin before anyone knew what happened.

And you guys still cant see how absurd it is to blame such a thing on Palin.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Got to hand it to drama llama. Some random joker slaps up some posters in San Francisco and his headline? Far-Left Continues Violent Palin Rhetoric

I'm sure that even chicken little would bow before this ninja of hysteria.

Leave it to a desperate far-right spin jobber like McSpammer to try to flip the script and make Bible Spice the victim.

Funny stuff. Ha!

[Rigs11]

She was a victim, she didnt play a victim.

You must have forgot how the far-left wackos and their media alike immediately blamed the Arizona shooting on Palin before anyone knew what happened.

And you guys still cant see how absurd it is to blame such a thing on Palin.

Boo hoo. That woman has been spewing vile crap for 2 years now. Rather than take the chance to call for unity, she starts fighting with the media.she's a joke, she will never be president with that attitude.and her boyfriend Beck quickly comes to her defense rather than denouncing his own fear mongering divisive bs

[TonyR]

Sarah Palin has become a very important person in the United States. Important people have to speak with great care, because their words matter more than the words of other people. If they are careless, if they are sloppy, if they are lazy about finding the right tone and setting it and holding it, they will cease, after a time, to be important people, because without the discipline necessary to modulate their words, those words will lose their power to do anything but offer a momentary thrill — either pleasurable or infuriating. And then they will just pass on into the ether.

If she doesn’t serious herself up, Palin is on the direct path to irrelevancy. She won’t be the second Ronald Reagan; she’ll be the Republican incarnation of Jesse Jackson.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/386302

[baja]

Sarah Palin has become a very important person in the United States. Important people have to speak with great care, because their words matter more than the words of other people. If they are careless, if they are sloppy, if they are lazy about finding the right tone and setting it and holding it, they will cease, after a time, to be important people, because without the discipline necessary to modulate their words, those words will lose their power to do anything but offer a momentary thrill — either pleasurable or infuriating. And then they will just pass on into the ether.

If she doesn’t serious herself up, Palin is on the direct path to irrelevancy. She won’t be the second Ronald Reagan; she’ll be the Republican incarnation of Jesse Jackson.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/386302

The fact that such a person could become an "important person" is a clear product of the times. These are not good times. Sara Palin is "all in" and not going quiet into the night any time soon.

Just when you think it can't get any worse it does.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The fact that such a person could become an "important person" is a clear product of the times. These are not good times. Sara Palin is "all in" and not going quiet into the night any time soon.

Just when you think it can't get any worse it does.

Republicans don't like thinking people or statesmen - they prefer figureheads.

Modern succession:

Bonzo --> Faux Cowboy/Christian --> Bible Spice.

Never thought you'd pine for the days of Tricky Dick, eh? ;)

[epicSocialism4tw]

The fact that such a person could become an "important person" is a clear product of the times. These are not good times. Sara Palin is "all in" and not going quiet into the night any time soon.

Just when you think it can't get any worse it does.

Sarah Palin is a person that the left can use to strike fear into the hearts of their believers. "Sarah Palin's coming for us all! She's going to hunt us down like she hunts wolves!" Look at their Sarah Palin fear art. Its always a photoshopped crazy-looking image with her and guns or her and blood...or both.

for example:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QHCjtpsXu_I/SP4iDDunBSI/AAAAAAAAAlU/sWz5OorrWdM/s400/SarahPalinScary.jpg
taken from
http://http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/images/2008/09/03/sarahpalin.jpg

placed all over cities as viral marketing:
http://sfist.com/attachments/Christopher%20Rogers/3_frightening_prospect.jpg


Now we have new ones popping up in San Francisco just today:
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics/Anti-Palin-Posters-Appear-in-SF-113451129.html

She is a strong-willed woman who appeals to middle class women (threatens their hold on the soccer mom), a hunter (guns...big lefty no-no), and someone who energizes alot of conservative...so she must be isolated and attacked (Alinsky technique). I mean, you can really see through what theyre doing with Palin. They are so desperate to destroy her that they went all-in and now have doubled down with their attempt to associate her with the events in Arizona. Its no mistake that they're continuing with that storyline. Theyre trying to eliminate Sarah Palin right now, because they think that she'll beat them...there's no other reason as to why they would have risked everything in going full bore with this media onslaught even though it can come back and bite them in the butt if their base sees through it and sees that they lied.

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[TonyR]

She is...a hunter...

The thing is she's not a hunter. And that's the problem with her. She claims to be a hunter in her fraudulent effort to craft an image of herself. But on that stupid reality TV show of hers they show her "hunting" with her father and there was an outcry among real hunters who were offended that she called herself a hunter because she clearly demonstrated that she didn't know what she was doing and she disrespected the sport. Just one more example of what a phony is, and how simpletons like you fall for it.

I could post dozens of articles on the subject but here are just a couple:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hunter-becomes-the-hunted-as-palin-critics-say-she-cant-shoot-2153973.html

http://www.theawl.com/2010/12/sarah-palin-the-tv-star-exposes-sarah-palin-the-fake-hunter

[TonyR]

She was a victim, she didnt play a victim.


LOL

It’s a bad sign for civility when you can’t have a civil conversation about it.

In the days since a deranged assassin gunned down Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and 19 other innocents -- six of whom are now dead -- President Barack Obama, Speaker John Boehner and pundits from across the political spectrum have issued calls to raise the discourse and practice mutual respect.

Even Fox News President Roger Ailes, an architect of on- air, anger-based politics, directed his commentators to turn down the heat. What struck some liberals as a hollow gesture was the right gesture nonetheless, and credit goes to Ailes for making it.

An exception to the general comity was celebrity club fighter Sarah Palin, one Fox pundit who seems not to have gotten Ailes’ memo. Yesterday she raised the incivility a notch in a slickly produced video message that was primarily concerned not with the victims of the shooting but with the person who is in her eyes the constant victim: herself.

After the requisite expression of mourning and sorrow, Palin took after “journalists and pundits” who “should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn.” No viewer could have failed to understand who had been supposedly libeled.

Ponder the narcissism required for Palin to place herself at the center of the narrative, and with such incendiary language. “Blood libel” refers to a centuries-old calumny used to justify the savage persecution of Jews on the fictitious grounds that they murdered Christian children to use their blood in rituals.

Read the rest here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-13/militant-palin-keeps-crosshairs-on-herself-commentary-by-margaret-carlson.html

[Rohirrim]

Nobody has to do anything to Palin. Just give her enough rope and she'll hang herself. Even Crist has picked up on it. His advice to Sarah? Get out there and talk more. He wants to make sure she is sufficiently imploded before the primaries begin. :rofl:

[Mile High Shack]

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2010/11/22/10/anigif_the-definitive-gif-from-sarah-palins-tlc-show-9576-1290438871-11.gif

[Rohirrim]

Sarah Palin is a person that the left can use to strike fear into the hearts of their believers. "Sarah Palin's coming for us all! She's going to hunt us down like she hunts wolves!" Look at their Sarah Palin fear art. Its always a photoshopped crazy-looking image with her and guns or her and blood...or both.

for example:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QHCjtpsXu_I/SP4iDDunBSI/AAAAAAAAAlU/sWz5OorrWdM/s400/SarahPalinScary.jpg
taken from
http://http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/images/2008/09/03/sarahpalin.jpg

placed all over cities as viral marketing:
http://sfist.com/attachments/Christopher%20Rogers/3_frightening_prospect.jpg




BTW, cool poster. :thumbsup:

[Mile High Shack]

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yeah, tea party folks seem pretty even tempered

[ghwk]

Sarah Palin is a person that the left can use to strike fear into the hearts of their believers. "Sarah Palin's coming for us all! She's going to hunt us down like she hunts wolves!" Look at their Sarah Palin fear art. Its always a photoshopped crazy-looking image with her and guns or her and blood...or both.

for example:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QHCjtpsXu_I/SP4iDDunBSI/AAAAAAAAAlU/sWz5OorrWdM/s400/SarahPalinScary.jpg
taken from
http://http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/images/2008/09/03/sarahpalin.jpg

placed all over cities as viral marketing:
http://sfist.com/attachments/Christopher%20Rogers/3_frightening_prospect.jpg


Now we have new ones popping up in San Francisco just today:
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics/Anti-Palin-Posters-Appear-in-SF-113451129.html

She is a strong-willed woman who appeals to middle class women (threatens their hold on the soccer mom), a hunter (guns...big lefty no-no), and someone who energizes alot of conservative...so she must be isolated and attacked (Alinsky technique). I mean, you can really see through what theyre doing with Palin. They are so desperate to destroy her that they went all-in and now have doubled down with their attempt to associate her with the events in Arizona. Its no mistake that they're continuing with that storyline. Theyre trying to eliminate Sarah Palin right now, because they think that she'll beat them...there's no other reason as to why they would have risked everything in going full bore with this media onslaught even though it can come back and bite them in the butt if their base sees through it and sees that they lied.

ROFL, my wife is a middle class educated woman and she thinks Palin is the most annoying ignorant b**ch on the planet.

[Rohirrim]

My wife thinks Palin is an insufferable moron.

[TonyR]

ROFL, my wife is a middle class educated woman and she thinks Palin is the most annoying ignorant b**ch on the planet.

I highlighted the key point above. Educated people see right through her. It's the uneducated and the christianists who fall for her shtick.

[Mile High Shack]

I highlighted the key point above. Educated people see right through her. It's the uneducated and the christianists who fall for her shtick.

my wife is educated, but a christian and still thinks she's a complete derp

[TailgateNut]

ROFL, my wife is a middle class educated woman and she thinks Palin is the most annoying ignorant b**ch on the planet.


You have to venture into the realm of un-educated wingnuts to find those who support Palin in any position of trust and/ or control.

[TonyR]

my wife is educated, but a christian and still thinks she's a complete derp

Note that I said "christianist", not Christian. Big difference.

[TailgateNut]

Note that I said "christianist", not Christian. Big difference.

Is that like "Terrorist" in lieu of Terror?

;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

Look at yourselves in this thread. A bunch of scared liberals falling over themselves because theyre afraid of Sarah Palin.

You dont get the kind of irrational overreaction that turned into a witch hunt immediately following the Arizona shootings if you guys werent afraid, and several of you lemmings lined right up to fling youselves off the cliff of sanity to bring your lynch mob to Sarah Palin's doorstep.

Actions speak louder than words and your actions show that you are clearly afraid of Sarah Palin.

[Mile High Shack]

Look at yourselves in this thread. A bunch of scared liberals falling over themselves because theyre afraid of Sarah Palin.

You dont get the kind of irrational overreaction that turned into a witch hunt immediately following the Arizona shootings if you guys werent afraid, and several of you lemmings lined right up to fling youselves off the cliff of sanity to bring your lynch mob to Sarah Palin's doorstep.

Actions speak louder than words and your actions show that you are clearly afraid of Sarah Palin.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834515c2369e2011570bd5687970c-pi

[TonyR]

Actions speak louder than words and your actions show that you are clearly afraid...

Clearly you don't fear Obama...

And if you don't fear for this country if Palin was to get any kind of position of authority then you shouldn't even be opining on such subjects.

[Rohirrim]

The good thing about a Palin presidency is that she would quit after a couple of years and go on a book tour.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The good thing about a Palin presidency is that she would quit after a couple of years and go on a book tour.

What you guys dont realize is that Palin is an obsession of the left, not of the right.

Many people like her, but wouldnt consider her for the presidency.

Its you guys running and screaming through the streets trying to drum up a lynch mob who cant see that.

[Rohirrim]

What you guys dont realize is that Palin is an obsession of the left, not of the right.

Many people like her, but wouldnt consider her for the presidency.

Its you guys running and screaming through the streets trying to drum up a lynch mob who cant see that.

Your penchant for hyperbole has reached therapy proportions.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Clearly you don't fear Obama...

And if you don't fear for this country if Palin was to get any kind of position of authority then you shouldn't even be opining on such subjects.

Obama is bad for our country and he's the president of the united states. He has already failed this country on so many levels that its bordering on the worst presidential performance of all time. Thats why we should question Obama...he's the dadgum president.

Sarah Palin? She's a former governor media personality who has zero formal power.

Sarah Palin is just you losers' new Cheney, new Bush. So when is the dregs of your violent party going to make their "what if someone assassinated Palin?" movie?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Your penchant for hyperbole has reached therapy proportions.

It ain't hyperbole, child.

What would you call the media assassination of Sarah Palin that happened immediately after the Arizona shooting? "Violent rhetoric"?

Look at this stuff:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

[Rohirrim]

It ain't hyperbole, child.

What would you call the media assassination of Sarah Palin that happened immediately after the Arizona shooting? "Violent rhetoric"?

Look at this stuff:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

First, you tell me it's not hyperbole, and then you post a link to one of the most insanely hyperbolic people in modern media, Michelle Malkin? No wonder you are the way you are, if that's the kind of people you listen to. I'm just watching the clock tick away the days of all this nutjob rhetoric spewing from the Right. At some point, people will begin to see through it to the point that it will dry up and blow away and people like Malkin, Beck, Hannity, Coulter and Limbaugh will be hoping they invested wisely.

[Mile High Shack]

It ain't hyperbole, child.

What would you call the media assassination of Sarah Palin that happened immediately after the Arizona shooting? "Violent rhetoric"?

Look at this stuff:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sW65ilskOC8/SHNrUF4zZAI/AAAAAAAALdk/jsQWvWDjQxM/s400/MichelleMalkinEatingHotDog.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

A sample of the twitter hate-explosion directed at Sarah Palin after the left began their public witch trials of Sarah Palin:
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You lefties need to look at this stuff. Its the same type of stuff that we have seen here for a long time, and this is the kind of stuff that needs to stop in our country.

[epicSocialism4tw]

First, you tell me it's not hyperbole, and then you post a link to one of the most insanely hyperbolic people in modern media, Michelle Malkin? No wonder you are the way you are, if that's the kind of people you listen to. I'm just watching the clock tick away the days of all this nutjob rhetoric spewing from the Right. At some point, people will begin to see through it to the point that it will dry up and blow away and people like Malkin, Beck, Hannity, Coulter and Limbaugh will be hoping they invested wisely.

Its a compilation of information, doofus.

Look at it.

If you think that it is questionable, then raise the question about which parts are questionable.

You guys need to start looking at yourselves in the mirror as a party.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This whole thing is like the abortion issue...

If the left just ignores their violence, if they dont look at it, it doesnt exist...and then back to happyland.

[Mile High Shack]

A sample of the twitter hate-explosion directed at Sarah Palin after the left began their public witch trials of Sarah Palin:
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You lefties need to look at this stuff. Its the same type of stuff that we have seen here for a long time, and this is the kind of stuff that needs to stop in our country.

not a lefty, but you are comparing everyday joe blow, who has no media voice, to Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, Palin, yadda, yadda who have media and reach hundreds of thousands of people....that's not a fair comparison really.

again, it would be nice of you to admit that both sides do it, but you have yet to admit it.

[Mile High Shack]

This whole thing is like the abortion issue...

If the left just ignores their violence, if they dont look at it, it doesnt exist...and then back to happyland.

http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4635919/the-jews-its-the-jews.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Glenn-Beck-The-Winner

[epicSocialism4tw]

not a lefty, but you are comparing everyday joe blow, who has no media voice, to Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, Palin, yadda, yadda who have media and reach hundreds of thousands of people....that's not a fair comparison really.

again, it would be nice of you to admit that both sides do it, but you have yet to admit it.

Thats not what that post was about.

I specifically noted that this was in response to people in the leftist media forming a figurative lynch mob that had Sarah Palin tried, sentanced, and ready to be disposed of before any facts came out. Those tweets were knee-jerk reactions to what they saw in the media.

That is whats dangerous here. That is what leads to violence.

[Mile High Shack]

Thats not what that post was about.

I specifically noted that this was in response to people in the leftist media forming a figurative lynch mob that had Sarah Palin tried, sentanced, and ready to be disposed of before any facts came out. Those tweets were knee-jerk reactions to what they saw in the media.

That is whats dangerous here. That is what leads to violence.

you still haven't admitted it.....what's disheartening, the people in the middle, I'd say 70% of our country, have no voice, we have to listen to the far right and far left go at it and we are just left shaking our head and wondering wtf is going on with our country.

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4635919/the-jews-its-the-jews.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Glenn-Beck-The-Winner

Glenn Beck had a rabbi speak at his rally, and has a rabbi give regular Jewish teaching on his show. I dont think he's worried about being labeled antisemitic by a bunch of liars with axes to grind.

[Mile High Shack]

Glenn Beck had a rabbi speak at his rally, and has a rabbi give regular Jewish teaching on his show. I dont think he's worried about being labeled antisemitic by a bunch of liars with axes to grind.

it's just a meme dude, chill :thumbs:

[epicSocialism4tw]

you still haven't admitted it.....what's disheartening, the people in the middle, I'd say 70% of our country, have no voice, we have to listen to the far right and far left go at it and we are just left shaking our head and wondering wtf is going on with our country.

You and I arent even speaking about the same thing. You want to change the subject because you cant handle the facts. They make your little worldview upset, and you cant handle a little external stimuli.

This thread is about what has happened from the point that the shooter was tackled and apprehended, to today...where Sarah Palin has been attacked relentlessly in all forms of media in every way that they can.

This isnt about whether or not you like Sarah Palin. Alot of people dont like Sarah Palin (obviously)...who cares if you like her or not.

This thread is about the violent media attack that was immediately leveled at Sarah Palin that has not ceased since.

And here you are following those lemmings off the same cliff again. Shame on you.

[TailgateNut]

Is Drama CRYING again. The floodgates must be stressed beyond the safety factor.

[Rohirrim]

He is hysterically pleading with the people who are not hysterical to not get hysterical about the hysterical speech from the icons on the hysterical Right.

[epicSocialism4tw]

He is hysterically pleading with the people who are not hysterical to not get hysterical about the hysterical speech from the icons on the hysterical Right.

:rofl:

Right.

And those tweets calling for Sarah Palin's death after the intentionally negligent far-left's media witch hunt don't mean anything.

You wont wake up, because you're all in with the murderers...but there's still time for people who think that the country is worth saving. Youre already sold out to the same violent far-left that this garbage flows from like sewage.

[TailgateNut]

He is hysterically pleading with the people who are not hysterical to not get hysterical about the hysterical speech from the icons on the hysterical Right.

Putting him on iggy has made my life better. There's enough crap to deal with on a daily basis without reading his mouth-diarhea.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Putting him on iggy has made my life better. There's enough crap to deal with on a daily basis without reading his mouth-diarhea.

It was probably a good idea after you made death threats.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Rohirrim on Sarah Palin:

In response to a thread entitled "MSNBC Host Calls For Potentially Violent Liberal Revolution"
"Like Jimmy Carter said on Bill Maher a couple of weeks ago, this country is more polarized right now than at any time but prior to the Civil War. Personally, I can't wait."
“Every generation needs a new revolution.”
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3002611&postcount=24

"That's a horrible thing to wish on Sarah Palin.
Dying in a plane crash.
I'd prefer she get flesh-eating bacteria."
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2897046&highlight=sarah+palin#post2897046

[Rohirrim]

Rohirrim on Sarah Palin:

In response to a thread entitled "MSNBC Host Calls For Potentially Violent Liberal Revolution"
"Like Jimmy Carter said on Bill Maher a couple of weeks ago, this country is more polarized right now than at any time but prior to the Civil War. Personally, I can't wait."
“Every generation needs a new revolution.”
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3002611&postcount=24

"That's a horrible thing to wish on Sarah Palin.
Dying in a plane crash.
I'd prefer she get flesh-eating bacteria."
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2897046&highlight=sarah+palin#post2897046

I don't think you need to post stuff just to prove you have no sense of humor. Everybody pretty much knows that already.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I don't think you need to post stuff just to prove you have no sense of humor. Everybody pretty much knows that already.

What "everybody" needs to know, is that you yourself have been joking about Sarah Palin's death, as well as talking about how much you enjoy the idea of killing your fellow citizens in a Civil War.

That is the violent rhetoric that Obama condemned, and you find yourself an object of his consternation. You dont need me to prove here that your commitment to liberalism extends way beyond the bounds of civility into the wasteland of violent rhetoric. You have used that kind of tone so much that it has become a part of the character that you have created here.

I really dont even want to have to search for what you have said about Bush and Cheney.

[Rohirrim]

What "everybody" needs to know, is that you yourself have been joking about Sarah Palin's death, as well as talking about how much you enjoy the idea of killing your fellow citizens in a Civil War.

That is the violent rhetoric that Obama condemned, and you find yourself an object of his consternation. You dont need me to prove here that your commitment to liberalism extends way beyond the bounds of civility into the wasteland of violent rhetoric. You have used that kind of tone so much that it has become a part of the character that you have created here.

I really dont even want to have to search for what you have said about Bush and Cheney.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

Now, STFU.

[TailgateNut]

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

Now, STFU.

This, and a Bitch-slap to send him on his way. He is such a little whiney bitch!

[epicSocialism4tw]

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

Now, STFU.

Its pretty funny that you apply this rhetoric to your liberalism which squelches constitutional rights left and right and spits daily on the constitution that our founders laid down their lives for. The left has become so confused in this country that they cannot even tell which way is up. Natural rights are the way up, not bureaucratic red tape that strangles the life out of civil rights with every bit of regulation that is passed.

Very sad.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This, and a b****-slap to send him on his way. He is such a little whiney b****!

With the way you got punked so badly that you started making death threats, you better hope somebody "slaps me and sends me on my way".

[Mile High Shack]

With the way you got punked so badly that you started making death threats, you better hope somebody "slaps me and sends me on my way".

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[Rohirrim]

Its pretty funny that you apply this rhetoric to your liberalism which squelches constitutional rights left and right and spits daily on the constitution that our founders laid down their lives for. The left has become so confused in this country that they cannot even tell which way is up. Natural rights are the way up, not bureaucratic red tape that strangles the life out of civil rights with every bit of regulation that is passed.

Very sad.

I see it as just the opposite. People like you, blindly following fascist fanatics like Palin and Beck, turn the Constitution into Mein Kampf, and suddenly find an excuse in it for every sort of malfeasance and criminality, like citizenship for corporations, which can lead only to tyranny. What I want is freedom. What the Right wants is to control every facet of American life right down to who you can marry, who you can ****, what religion is "truly American", what science can and cannot study, and what you can do with your own body. Bunch of ****ing fascists.

[TonyR]

People like you, blindly following fascist fanatics...

And that's exactly what that sad clown is, a blind follower. Notice how he's now turned tail and is full on criticizing Obama and the memorial. Why? Because that's what the right wing media is doing. The right wing media is the Matrix that he's plugged into. epic-fail-drama-skillet. The right wing media sheep. Baaaaaaaaah.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I see it as just the opposite. People like you, blindly following fascist fanatics like Palin and Beck, turn the Constitution into Mein Kampf, and suddenly find an excuse in it for every sort of malfeasance and criminality, like citizenship for corporations, which can lead only to tyranny. What I want is freedom. What the Right wants is to control every facet of American life right down to who you can marry, who you can ****, what religion is "truly American", what science can and cannot study, and what you can do with your own body. Bunch of ****ing fascists.

Fascists?

And who's wrapped up in hyperbole?!?! Ha!

You have lost it man. A fully committed liberal...to the point where you would rather cling to insanity in fear of something you dont understand rather than to loosen your grip and look truth in the face.

Very sad.

[Rohirrim]

Fascists?

And who's wrapped up in hyperbole?!?! Ha!

You have lost it man. A fully committed liberal...to the point where you would rather cling to insanity in fear of something you dont understand rather than to loosen your grip and look truth in the face.

Very sad.

"Fascism is best defined as a revolutionary form of nationalism, one that sets out to be a political, social and ethical revolution, welding the ‘people’ into a dynamic national community under new elites infused with heroic values. The core myth that inspires this project is that only a populist, trans-class movement of purifying, cathartic national rebirth (palingenesis) can stem the tide of decadence.” (Roger Griffin)

Of course, goal number one is to sell the idea that all opponents are decadent, as in liberals, socialists, communists, terrorists, et al - all against the one, "true" value. Right? No gray areas. If you disagree, you are the enemy. For that, you need a propaganda wing. Basic fascism: 101.

[Bronco Yoda]

you still haven't admitted it.....what's disheartening, the people in the middle, I'd say 70% of our country, have no voice, we have to listen to the far right and far left go at it and we are just left shaking our head and wondering wtf is going on with our country.

This :thumbs:

[JJJ]

I see it as just the opposite. People like you, blindly following fascist fanatics like Palin and Beck, turn the Constitution into Mein Kampf, and suddenly find an excuse in it for every sort of malfeasance and criminality, like citizenship for corporations, which can lead only to tyranny. What I want is freedom. What the Right wants is to control every facet of American life right down to who you can marry, who you can ****, what religion is "truly American", what science can and cannot study, and what you can do with your own body. Bunch of ****ing fascists.

Dude, you really have gone off the deep end lately.

The right would like to define marriage as between a man and woman, not stop anyone from ******* who they want.

The right wants anyone to be able to practice their religion freely as prescribed in the constitution without being hassled on it or told to take the cross or Star of David off their neck.

The right is fine with you studying whatever the hell you want as long as you are not using aborted embryos and fetuses to do it. You do realize the left position on this is much closer to Mengele than the right is don't you?

Fascist, no not even close.

If you want to fight for freedoms you are simply in the wrong party.

The Dems are the party of control, there is little question about that. Even legislating Happy Meals for God's sake. Now you are giving the government another 16% of your life with the health care nonsense.

For someone that throws around as much incendiary statements as you do why you think you can step into any kind of debate on toning down rhetoric with any credibiity is really amusing.

[Spider]

Dude, you really have gone off the deep end lately.

The right would like to define marriage as between a man and woman, not stop anyone from ******* who they want.

Th
speaking of the deep end , what give the right , the right to tell anyone who they can or cant marry ?

[JJJ]

http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4635919/the-jews-its-the-jews.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Glenn-Beck-The-Winner

I would venture to say this guy has had more rabbis as guests on his show in the last year than all the other networks combined, outside of Jewish TV. Just saying.

[elsid13]

I would venture to say this guy has had more rabbis as guests on his show in the last year than all the other networks combined, outside of Jewish TV. Just saying.

I would venture to say that guy is only interesting in making money and will dance to what ever tune that can ensure that fact.

[JJJ]

speaking of the deep end , what give the right , the right to tell anyone who they can or cant marry ?

The same entity who say you can't marry two people. Or are you all for bigomy also?

I think 90% of the people on the right are fine with gay unions and marriage-like benefits but would like to preserve the sanctity of a relationship defined as a lifelong commitment between a man and woman as a marriage.

Civil unions, Gayrriage, whatever you call it is cool with me. But it ain't marriage.

[JJJ]

I would venture to say that guy is only interesting in making money and will dance to what ever tune that can ensure that fact.

Ok, he is a capitalist. Now form the link to how he is a Jew hater please.

[elsid13]

Ok, he is a capitalist. Now form the link to how he is a Jew hater please.

I didn't say he was motivated by race or cultural hatred. I think Beck understand ancient orator way to "stoke" up a base with innuendo and half truths. He say it not "your" fault that there problems in the country, you're good Americans, it that shadow group/people in DC, NYC, LA, etc that are destroying the country. He never give specifics what the problems are, why his "base" isn't at fault or any solutions. He allows his audience to personalize all their own problems, project those problems as fault of others and never clear defines that he is talking about. And when an issue is played he move on to something else. That way he ensure he has audience willing to pay for his books, listen to radio and watch him on TV.

[TailgateNut]

Dude, you really have gone off the deep end lately.

1.The right would like to define marriage as between a man and woman, not stop anyone from ******* who they want.

2.The right wants anyone to be able to practice their religion freely as prescribed in the constitution without being hassled on it or told to take the cross or Star of David off their neck.

3.The right is fine with you studying whatever the hell you want as long as you are not using aborted embryos and fetuses to do it. You do realize the left position on this is much closer to Mengele than the right is don't you?

Fascist, no not even close.

If you want to fight for freedoms you are simply in the wrong party.

The Dems are the party of control, there is little question about that. Even legislating Happy Meals for God's sake. Now you are giving the government another 16% of your life with the health care nonsense.

For someone that throws around as much incendiary statements as you do why you think you can step into any kind of debate on toning down rhetoric with any credibiity is really amusing.

1. See your "party of control" comment. Doesn't jive, does it?

2. You forgot they also want to inject it into the rules of goverment. NOT PART OF THE CONSTITUTION.

3.Too bad that right hasn't studied enough to realize and egg isn't a human.

3B. Mangele??? ****ing loons (you and Mengele)

[TailgateNut]

The same entity who say you can't marry two people. Or are you all for bigomy also?

I think 90% of the people on the right are fine with gay unions and marriage-like benefits but would like to preserve the sanctity of a relationship defined as a lifelong commitment between a man and woman as a marriage.

Civil unions, Gayrriage, whatever you call it is cool with me. But it ain't marriage.


The ****ing Christians! Go ahead and say it, but it may differ with your post about how they just want to practice their "religions" not force it upon others

[JJJ]

The ****ing Christians! Go ahead and say it, but it may differ with your post about how they just want to practice their "religions" not force it upon others

No, that would actually be the secular government of all 50 US States.

Marriage is a legal condition recognized by the government for the establishment of certain rights to a man and woman. The government is under no requirement other than the will of the people to recognize arrangments outside of the traditional man and woman partnership known as marriage.

If they want to convey rights to gay couples and can get the votes to do it, fine. But I don't think someone is a fascist if they don't share that perspective, I think they are simply expressing their free will and freedom of speech.

And I certainly don't think someone who is against calling alternative unions marriages is a fascist. I think even today the majority of the population would prefer to preserve the word marriage for a union between a man and a woman.

If you want 5 wives because you religion says so, so be it. But that doesn't mean the government has to condone that or convey the rights of marriage to all those parties and as it illegal at this time the participants should be prepared to face the legal consequences.

[mhgaffney]

Palin just doesn't get it. So, no need to say any thing. She will just discount herself out of the picture.

"Libel blood", indeed. There goes the Jewish vote.....

No you misunderstand Palin.

She has the Zionist vote in her pocket. They know -- correctly -- that she wants to unleash the IDF on the Palestinians -- drive them into the desert -- bomb Lebanon -- etc etc..

Behind the pretty face is Kali - goddess of destruction.

[Rohirrim]

Dude, you really have gone off the deep end lately.

The right would like to define marriage as between a man and woman, not stop anyone from ******* who they want.

The right wants anyone to be able to practice their religion freely as prescribed in the constitution without being hassled on it or told to take the cross or Star of David off their neck.

The right is fine with you studying whatever the hell you want as long as you are not using aborted embryos and fetuses to do it. You do realize the left position on this is much closer to Mengele than the right is don't you?

Fascist, no not even close.

If you want to fight for freedoms you are simply in the wrong party.

The Dems are the party of control, there is little question about that. Even legislating Happy Meals for God's sake. Now you are giving the government another 16% of your life with the health care nonsense.

For someone that throws around as much incendiary statements as you do why you think you can step into any kind of debate on toning down rhetoric with any credibiity is really amusing.

The truth is always incendiary.

And quit lumping me in with the Dems. Congress is filled with nothing more than corporate bag-men. In fact, Boehner is now speaker because he is the most successful bag-man of them all. He used to hand out corporate checks on the floor of the house. Do you realize that not one member of Congress, in either party, could remain in office without corporate backing? And we call that government of the people? It's laughable.

Read the Griffin quote again in the above post. That is an exact description of what the Fox News led Right is working toward.

Oh, and BTW, when you list all these things the Right wants to interpret and impose on all the rest of us, what gives them the right to define morality and ethics? Honestly answer that one and we have reached the crux of the matter.

[Obushma]

. Do you realize that not one member of Congress, in either party, could remain in office without corporate backing? And we call that government of the people? It's laughable.


That's not true, there are members of congress that have no corporate backing, in fact, they've been black-balled. You were a big fan of one, although he recently sold out.

It is funny how one day you play a neo-liberal globalist, and the next you're quoting Thomas Jefferson. Hell, you stand up for one of the richest corporatists in the world, George Soros. Kinda like how the Lama was a Bush backing, Patriot Act passing boot licker, and now he actually cares what the Constitution says...A lot like Beck.

You're both politically misinformed and unfortunately most Americans fall into the Mushy Middle category just like the two of you. Ro will be quick to re-elect Obama, and Lama will vote for the first neo shill that MSM anoints as the next Republican savior.

[DenverBrit]

Far-Left Continues Violent Palin Rhetoric

LOL
What a drama queen you are. You take a simple political protest and turn it into a mouth foaming, right wing meltdown. Ha!

The actual headline before McLiar jazzed it up.

Anti-Palin Posters Appear In San Francisco

[Rohirrim]

That's not true, there are members of congress that have no corporate backing, in fact, they've been black-balled. You were a big fan of one, although he recently sold out.

It is funny how one day you play a neo-liberal globalist, and the next you're quoting Thomas Jefferson. Hell, you stand up for one of the richest corporatists in the world, George Soros. Kinda like how the Lama was a Bush backing, Patriot Act passing boot licker, and now he actually cares what the Constitution says...A lot like Beck.

You're both politically misinformed and unfortunately most Americans fall into the Mushy Middle category just like the two of you. Ro will be quick to re-elect Obama, and Lama will vote for the first neo shill that MSM anoints as the next Republican savior.

While you bask in libertarian ideological purity. Yeah, we know. blah, blah, blah...

Do the libertarians dole out vestments? You should put your name in.

[Obushma]

While you bask in libertarian ideological purity. Yeah, we know. blah, blah, blah...

Do the libertarians dole out vestments? You should put your name in.

Ah, how enjoyable the neo-liberal utopia would be!!!

Bread lines for all the have not's, caviar and champagne for the elite. Loss of individual freedom with a complete loss of national sovereignty under a world fiat currency.

Tell us about your dream of the world Ro.

[TonyR]

On his radio show, Limbaugh declared,

"What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He's sitting there in jail. He knows what's going on, he knows that...the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he's just a victim....That smiling mug shot--this guy clearly understands he's getting all the attention and he understands he's got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he's not convicted of murder - but something lesser."

Limbaugh was suggesting--no, make that stating as a fact--that the Democrats want to help Jared Lee Loughner escape full justice for allegedly murdering six people (including a federal judge and a nine-year-old girl) and attempting to kill Giffords, a Democrat quite popular within her party. What could Limbaugh be thinking?

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/14/worst-thing-said-this-week-limbaugh-takes-the-prize/

[JJJ]

The truth is always incendiary.

And quit lumping me in with the Dems. Congress is filled with nothing more than corporate bag-men. In fact, Boehner is now speaker because he is the most successful bag-man of them all. He used to hand out corporate checks on the floor of the house. Do you realize that not one member of Congress, in either party, could remain in office without corporate backing? And we call that government of the people? It's laughable.

Read the Griffin quote again in the above post. That is an exact description of what the Fox News led Right is working toward.

Oh, and BTW, when you list all these things the Right wants to interpret and impose on all the rest of us, what gives them the right to define morality and ethics? Honestly answer that one and we have reached the crux of the matter.

It is everyone's right to interpret and defend their definition of morality and ethics. That is what freedom is really all about isn't it?

Every society must draw a line of morality and ethics. When the majority of a society believes in defining a line it will be drawn over time at the will of the people. The left has been "imposing" their version of where that line should be redrawn for decades. What gave them the right to do that?

Their rights as American citizens. And the right has every right to resist redrawing of those lines.

But it is not imposing by either side, it is simply people exercising their rights and freedom to express their opinions and cast their votes. But in your crazy world anyone that doesn't share your line loose line of morality is a fascist. Sad.

[JJJ]

I didn't say he was motivated by race or cultural hatred. I think Beck understand ancient orator way to "stoke" up a base with innuendo and half truths. He say it not "your" fault that there problems in the country, you're good Americans, it that shadow group/people in DC, NYC, LA, etc that are destroying the country. He never give specifics what the problems are, why his "base" isn't at fault or any solutions. He allows his audience to personalize all their own problems, project those problems as fault of others and never clear defines that he is talking about. And when an issue is played he move on to something else. That way he ensure he has audience willing to pay for his books, listen to radio and watch him on TV.

So then you agree that Mile High Shack's portrayal of him as a Jew Hater doesn't really match up with the facts. Will wait for Shack to do the same.

He is a talk show host. Trying to make connections that may or may not be there and moving on to other topics is what they do. He at least emplores people to do their own research and not listen to him, which is more than most hosts do.

He is probably one of the more specific hosts out there, actually showing and citing nearly every book reference he uses in his diatribes. Actually he got specific enough to completely force Acorn to go undeground.

He is not a favorite of mine because of his annoying pitch style but few people have focused on the founding fathers and what they said and did as much as he does. For that alone he has some value as I think these were the smartest and most thoughtful set of men to ever walk the planet and rekindling interest in them is an excellent thing to do.

[Rohirrim]

It is everyone's right to interpret and defend their definition of morality and ethics. That is what freedom is really all about isn't it?

Every society must draw a line of morality and ethics. When the majority of a society believes in defining a line it will be drawn over time at the will of the people. The left has been "imposing" their version of where that line should be redrawn for decades. What gave them the right to do that?

Their rights as American citizens. And the right has every right to resist redrawing of those lines.

But it is not imposing by either side, it is simply people exercising their rights and freedom to express their opinions and cast their votes. But in your crazy world anyone that doesn't share your line loose line of morality is a fascist. Sad.

The way you twist an argument to say something totally different can only come from hours of basking in the warmth of Fox News propagandists. They've made a useful tool out of you.

[JJJ]

The way you twist an argument to say something totally different can only come from hours of basking in the warmth of Fox News propagandists. They've made a useful tool out of you.

You asked a straightforward question and I answered it straightforwardly.

You only call it twisted because the answer exposed your hypocrisy.

[mhgaffney]

Its pretty funny that you apply this rhetoric to your liberalism which squelches constitutional rights left and right and spits daily on the constitution that our founders laid down their lives for. The left has become so confused in this country that they cannot even tell which way is up. Natural rights are the way up, not bureaucratic red tape that strangles the life out of civil rights with every bit of regulation that is passed.

Very sad.

You are the one who's confused. This thread is an epic fail.

The fact is that the shooter in Tuscon was a member of the same Jewish synagogue as the victim Giffords.

How did the press miss this connection?

It looks like the shooter targeted Giffords -- which would make this an attempted political assassination.

No question about it, Palin's website incited this very type of attack.

There is no mystery here -- and no left wing connection -- to these facts. Incitement is incitement.

Crazy how the left is now being accused of "violent rhetoric." It never ends.

[Spider]

The same entity who say you can't marry two people. Or are you all for bigomy also?

I think 90% of the people on the right are fine with gay unions and marriage-like benefits but would like to preserve the sanctity of a relationship defined as a lifelong commitment between a man and woman as a marriage.

Civil unions, Gayrriage, whatever you call it is cool with me. But it ain't marriage.

still doesnt tell me who has the authority ...........didnt ask you 1 thing about civil unions ........

[JJJ]

still doesnt tell me who has the authority ...........didnt ask you 1 thing about civil unions ........

The answer was there in my first sentence there chief. Marriage, civil unions, whatever the authority lies within the state governments.

[Mile High Shack]

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[epicSocialism4tw]

Sarah Palin hate

These days it seems like you have willingly taken over the label as hyperliberal extremist shill around here.

You are here posting more anti-Palin material in a thread that criticizes the way that the left has handled Sarah Palin.

It will be a good day for you when you are able to respect other peoples' opinions and stop trying to force yours down their throats.

[peacepipe]

These days it seems like you have willingly taken over the label as hyperliberal extremist shill around here.

You are here posting more anti-Palin material in a thread that criticizes the way that the left has handled Sarah Palin.

It will be a good day for you when you are able to respect other peoples' opinions and stop trying to force yours down their throats.get over yourself,all you you do is bitch & whine. You critisize people for the exact samething you do. This is a BS thread meant to deflect from the fact that, your wondergirl sarah palin,limbaugh, & others on the right, have done nothing but spew out violent rhetoric the last 3 yrs.

[Mile High Shack]

These days it seems like you have willingly taken over the label as hyperliberal extremist shill around here.

You are here posting more anti-Palin material in a thread that criticizes the way that the left has handled Sarah Palin.

It will be a good day for you when you are able to respect other peoples' opinions and stop trying to force yours down their throats.

I thought the video was pretty funny myself, sensitive much? How was I forcing anything, I thought it was a pretty funny video and this thread had a bunch of palin stuff in it, I thought it fit.

man, do you need counseling?

[epicSocialism4tw]

I thought the video was pretty funny myself, sensitive much? How was I forcing anything, I thought it was a pretty funny video and this thread had a bunch of palin stuff in it, I thought it fit.

man, do you need counseling?

Wow...more inappropriate trolling from you. Thats what you have devolved into.

[Mile High Shack]

Wow...more inappropriate trolling from you. Thats what you have devolved into.

no, only when you are concerned
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/10/04/amd_palin-wink.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

no, only when you are concerned
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/10/04/amd_palin-wink.jpg

So you're stalking me?

[epicSocialism4tw]

A stalker goes on ignore.

Feeding a stalker is worse than feeding a troll. See ya, Mile High Shtalker.

[DenverBrit]

Wow...more inappropriate trolling from you. Thats what you have devolved into.

LOL

The King of Trolling at his ironic best.

It's hard to tell if you have your tongue permanently in your cheek, or you really are this clueless. Ha!

[Mile High Shack]

LOL

The King of Trolling at his ironic best.

It's hard to tell if you have your tongue permanently in your cheek, or you really are this clueless. Ha!

kinda funny huh....I think I sent him into a tailspin

[TailgateNut]

kinda funny huh....I think I sent him into a tailspin

The guy/girl is an epicloserdramaqueen, and has the audacity to judge what other post.

[Spider]

The answer was there in my first sentence there chief. Marriage, civil unions, whatever the authority lies within the state governments.

that was no answer , what gives the right , the right to tell someone who they can or cant marry , stop dancing and answer if you can

[JJJ]

that was no answer , what gives the right , the right to tell someone who they can or cant marry , stop dancing and answer if you can

The states.

You can get a witch doctor to have you marry a rock if you want to. But for legal status the states are the only ones which convey a legal meaning to the status. That will be dictated by the social norms of that state.

I don't think marriage status should be given to someone marrying 6 wives, nor do I think marriage should be the term used to define a union between same sex couples. That is my right as a US citizen given by the constitution.

It is not a question of me dancing around the answer it is a question of you being able to comprehend the answer.

[Spider]

The states.

You can get a witch doctor to have you marry a rock if you want to. But for legal status the states are the only ones which convey a legal meaning to the status. That will be dictated by the social norms of that state.

I don't think marriage status should be given to someone marrying 6 wives, nor do I think marriage should be the term used to define a union between same sex couples. That is my right as a US citizen given by the constitution.

It is not a question of me dancing around the answer it is a question of you being able to comprehend the answer.

well you are not paid to think and if you are you are ripping someone off ...alot of States are not the right , so you are back pedaling .......
and if you dont think someone should marry 6 wives , then dont do it , but if Joe smoe thinks it is ok , then let him do it , you dont pay his bills .......you ****in bedwetters always tryin to push what you think is right or wrong on everyone else ...........

[Spider]

here is a prime example , i think it is wrong to be a charger fan , I dont think anyone should be one .............

[Spider]

so Tailgate nut is right , the god squad do push religion onto everyone ....... you owe him an apology JJJ ...... lets see if your man enough to do it

[JJJ]

so Tailgate nut is right , the god squad do push religion onto everyone ....... you owe him an apology JJJ ...... lets see if your man enough to do it

You are just not a smart man.

Both Tailgatenut's and your posts continue to dull the senses really.

[TailgateNut]

You are just not a smart man.

Both Tailgatenut's and your posts continue to dull the senses really.

The arrogance among the religious right continues.

[Spider]

You are just not a smart man.

Both Tailgatenut's and your posts continue to dull the senses really.

I see , so tell me why Joe Smoe is wrong for entering in a polygamist relationship , with 2 or more consenting adults , or 2 consenting adults of the same sex want to get married ?

[TonyR]

Only the left lies and spreads disinformation, right epic-fail-drama-skillet?

http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/15/from-the-files-of-partisanship-makes-you-stupid/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+radleybalko+%28The+Agitator%2 9

[epicSocialism4tw]

Only the left lies and spreads disinformation, right epic-fail-drama-skillet?

http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/15/from-the-files-of-partisanship-makes-you-stupid/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+radleybalko+%28The+Agitator%2 9

"Epic fail" would describe your knee-jerk reaction to the Arizona shootings where your eagerness to burn Sarah Palin to the ground was revealed to far outweigh your commitment to truth.

Dont be mad at me because you screwed up royally.

[JJJ]

I see , so tell me why Joe Smoe is wrong for entering in a polygamist relationship , with 2 or more consenting adults , or 2 consenting adults of the same sex want to get married ?

He has the free will to do as he wishes but must simply deal with the consequences in both cases.

The first example is either bigamy or polygamy and both are illegal in all 50 states, yes including Utah. Usually bigamy is a misdemeanor and polygamy is a felony. He can face fines and will not receive marriage benefits for all the partners and faces in some rare cases jailtime. Normally to avoid prosecution polygamists will cohabitate instead of actually marry.

In the second case in most states the gay couple will not receive full marriage benefits, though in some the benefits will be on equal terms with marriage benefits. They do not receive any federal marriage benefits such as tax exemptions.

My opinion is I have no problem with them receiving full benefits as long as the status is not defined as marriage, but as a civil union or some other such term. 31 states recognize marriage as only a union between a man and a woman and I think this institution deserves to keep this term for that purpose.

You don't like it change the laws. Just that simple.

And someone is not a fascist if he opposes those laws changing.

[peacepipe]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/supreme-court-rejects-app_2_n_810293.html

The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from opponents of same-sex marriage who want to overturn the District of Columbia's gay marriage law.

The court did not comment Tuesday in turning away a challenge from a Maryland pastor and others who are trying to get a measure on the ballot to allow Washingtonians to vote on a measure that defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

Bishop Harry Jackson led a lawsuit against the district's Board of Elections and Ethics after it refused to put that initiative on the ballot. The board ruled that the ballot question would in effect authorize discrimination.

Last year, Washington began issuing marriage licenses for same-sex couples and in 2009, it began recognizing gay marriages performed elsewhere.

[TonyR]

...was revealed to far outweigh your commitment to truth.

Dont be mad at me because you screwed up royally.

What did I lie about? How/where did I "screw up"?

[Rigs11]

"Epic fail" would describe your knee-jerk reaction to the Arizona shootings where your eagerness to burn Sarah Palin to the ground was revealed to far outweigh your commitment to truth.

Dont be mad at me because you screwed up royally.

wrong again drama, she is doing just fine herself...

Palin hits new low in poll
By: CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


Washington (CNN) - After a difficult and controversial two-week stretch for Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor's favorable rating has dipped to its lowest level since she joined the 2008 Republican presidential ticket and became a household name.

According to the new USA TODAY/Gallup survey, Palin's favorability rating has dipped to 38 percent while her unfavorable now stands at 53 percent. Gallup reports the 38 percent is a new low when it comes to the percentage of Americans who give the former Alaska governor a thumbs up. The 53 percent who dislike Palin is also a new high in Gallup polling. A similar poll in July found 44 percent of Americans viewed her favorably while 47 percent did not.

The poll surveyed 1,032 adults by telephone from Friday through Sunday and carries a sampling error of 4 percentage points.

The latest survey findings are no doubt unwelcome news for Palin as she considers whether to mount a presidential run. But in an appearance on Fox News Monday, Palin said the latest heat directed her way in the wake of the Arizona shootings has not deterred her desire to be a part of the public dialogue.

"I am not ready to make an announcement about what my political future is going to be. But I will tell you ... I am not going to sit down. I am not going to shut up," she said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/palin-hits-new-low-in-poll/#more-143411

[elsid13]

So then you agree that Mile High Shack's portrayal of him as a Jew Hater doesn't really match up with the facts. Will wait for Shack to do the same.

He is a talk show host. Trying to make connections that may or may not be there and moving on to other topics is what they do. He at least emplores people to do their own research and not listen to him, which is more than most hosts do.

He is probably one of the more specific hosts out there, actually showing and citing nearly every book reference he uses in his diatribes. Actually he got specific enough to completely force Acorn to go undeground.

He is not a favorite of mine because of his annoying pitch style but few people have focused on the founding fathers and what they said and did as much as he does. For that alone he has some value as I think these were the smartest and most thoughtful set of men to ever walk the planet and rekindling interest in them is an excellent thing to do.

I find him worthless. He tells half truths based upon what he believes his audience wants to hear and makes it sound official by citing materials that he knows that audience most likely won't read. This is very old medicine man trick.

And ACORN is far from underground, now that election is over FOX doesn't need a whipping dog thus you don't hear about them.

[DenverBrit]

wrong again drama, she is doing just fine herself...

Palin hits new low in poll
By: CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


Washington (CNN) - After a difficult and controversial two-week stretch for Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor's favorable rating has dipped to its lowest level since she joined the 2008 Republican presidential ticket and became a household name.

According to the new USA TODAY/Gallup survey, Palin's favorability rating has dipped to 38 percent while her unfavorable now stands at 53 percent. Gallup reports the 38 percent is a new low when it comes to the percentage of Americans who give the former Alaska governor a thumbs up. The 53 percent who dislike Palin is also a new high in Gallup polling. A similar poll in July found 44 percent of Americans viewed her favorably while 47 percent did not.

The poll surveyed 1,032 adults by telephone from Friday through Sunday and carries a sampling error of 4 percentage points.

The latest survey findings are no doubt unwelcome news for Palin as she considers whether to mount a presidential run. But in an appearance on Fox News Monday, Palin said the latest heat directed her way in the wake of the Arizona shootings has not deterred her desire to be a part of the public dialogue.

"I am not ready to make an announcement about what my political future is going to be. But I will tell you ... I am not going to sit down. I am not going to shut up," she said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/palin-hits-new-low-in-poll/#more-143411


Keep yapping, Palin, the more people understand who you are, the more likely your political career will come to a screeching halt. As it should!

Pay attention to Abe, he had you in mind:

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

[epicSocialism4tw]

wrong again drama, she is doing just fine herself...

Palin hits new low in poll
By: CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


Washington (CNN) - After a difficult and controversial two-week stretch for Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor's favorable rating has dipped to its lowest level since she joined the 2008 Republican presidential ticket and became a household name.

According to the new USA TODAY/Gallup survey, Palin's favorability rating has dipped to 38 percent while her unfavorable now stands at 53 percent. Gallup reports the 38 percent is a new low when it comes to the percentage of Americans who give the former Alaska governor a thumbs up. The 53 percent who dislike Palin is also a new high in Gallup polling. A similar poll in July found 44 percent of Americans viewed her favorably while 47 percent did not.

The poll surveyed 1,032 adults by telephone from Friday through Sunday and carries a sampling error of 4 percentage points.

The latest survey findings are no doubt unwelcome news for Palin as she considers whether to mount a presidential run. But in an appearance on Fox News Monday, Palin said the latest heat directed her way in the wake of the Arizona shootings has not deterred her desire to be a part of the public dialogue.

"I am not ready to make an announcement about what my political future is going to be. But I will tell you ... I am not going to sit down. I am not going to shut up," she said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/palin-hits-new-low-in-poll/#more-143411

Ha!

They rushed to get that one out didnt they!

Wouldnt you expect her favorability rating to be after the media has run non-stop Palin-bashing that has falsely blamed Palin for the Arizona shooting?

The left has become a disgusting place. They have gone after Palin like ravenous wolves. They have turned our media into the left-wings political version of a tabloid...making up sensationalist stories to make money and push their political agenda.

Just like their previous plays of the race card, the sexism card, the crazy people card, etc, etc, their overzealous pursuit of Sarah Palin will end up costing them credibility and the trust of the American people in the end.

[Rohirrim]

Palin's poll numbers are dropping like the Titanic's anchor. I guess the American people are sick of her violent spew.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Palin's poll numbers are dropping like the Titanic's anchor. I guess the American people are sick of her violent spew.

You have never been sick of "violent spew". You personally advocated killing your own citizens and admitted your eagerness for watching Palin die.

You are the very epitome of "violent spew".

[TailgateNut]

wrong again drama, she is doing just fine herself...

Palin hits new low in poll
By: CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


Washington (CNN) - After a difficult and controversial two-week stretch for Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor's favorable rating has dipped to its lowest level since she joined the 2008 Republican presidential ticket and became a household name.

According to the new USA TODAY/Gallup survey, Palin's favorability rating has dipped to 38 percent while her unfavorable now stands at 53 percent. Gallup reports the 38 percent is a new low when it comes to the percentage of Americans who give the former Alaska governor a thumbs up. The 53 percent who dislike Palin is also a new high in Gallup polling. A similar poll in July found 44 percent of Americans viewed her favorably while 47 percent did not.

The poll surveyed 1,032 adults by telephone from Friday through Sunday and carries a sampling error of 4 percentage points.

The latest survey findings are no doubt unwelcome news for Palin as she considers whether to mount a presidential run. But in an appearance on Fox News Monday, Palin said the latest heat directed her way in the wake of the Arizona shootings has not deterred her desire to be a part of the public dialogue.

"I am not ready to make an announcement about what my political future is going to be. But I will tell you ... I am not going to sit down. I am not going to shut up," she said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/palin-hits-new-low-in-poll/#more-143411


With Epicdramaidiot doing security for Palin her favorable ratings will drop more and her unfavorable will rise.

[Rigs11]

Oh noes!! That dastardly evil liberal media is picking on poor widdle mama bear.Hilarious!

[NUB]

The problem with the rhetoric is that it is coming from mainstream talking heads:

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That, really, is just one example of Glenn Beck being a mainstream conspiracy theorist. Aside from constantly warning of revolution, he's also proliferated ideas like unionists are going to take over everything, that FEMA has concentration camps, that there would be death panels (perhaps the most egregious of the right's absurdism), has swung around baseball bats on his show to demonstrate violent resistance, has mocked an immolation, etc.

This crap simply isn't healthy. It isn't healthy to posit death camps and death panels on mainstream television or radio. People trust you to present the truth, not present threats to their lives. It isn't very healthy for Congressmen to debate whether or not President Obama is a foreign Muslim. They carry positions of integrity, at least in some way, and they abuse it to proliferate dangerous lies. I am not remotely surprised people are trying to connect these dots. Months of fearmongering by public figures and people really ask how dare some believe they had an influence on events?

[epicSocialism4tw]

The problem with the rhetoric is that it is coming from mainstream talking heads:

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That, really, is just one example of Glenn Beck being a mainstream conspiracy theorist. Aside from constantly warning of revolution, he's also proliferated ideas like unionists are going to take over everything, that FEMA has concentration camps, that there would be death panels (perhaps the most egregious of the right's absurdism), has swung around baseball bats on his show to demonstrate violent resistance, has mocked an immolation, etc.

This crap simply isn't healthy. It isn't healthy to posit death camps and death panels on mainstream television or radio. People trust you to present the truth, not present threats to their lives. It isn't very healthy for Congressmen to debate whether or not President Obama is a foreign Muslim. They carry positions of integrity, at least in some way, and they abuse it to proliferate dangerous lies. I am not remotely surprised people are trying to connect these dots. Months of fearmongering by public figures and people really ask how dare some believe they had an influence on events?

"Death Panels" are very real. Dont be so naive. Just because it sounds too extreme now doesnt mean it wont happen. Nobody I know ever believed that they would have to either have nude pictures of themselves taken or have a government agent touch your genitalia in the course of everyday life. Death panels will be the committees of efficiency experts who make decisions on who gets treatment and who doesnt, which is clearly in the bill. They use statistical models to decide these things. Every bureaucratic system requires committees who make generalized models and close them off to those who fall outside the statistical norms. Its an inevitability.

Its telling that you chose to use a conservative pundit to complain about rather than someone like Bill Maher who hates muslims, and any number of extremist left wingers who want to destroy your ability to practice your religion. They're being friendly to muslims now because their party hates Christians, but once they hone in on muslims they will do all they can to put you in a box, marginalize you and then tax you out of existence.

Its the left wing that Muslims around the world hate. They hate the immoral trash that comes out of Hollywood. They hate the immodesty of our women and the weakness of our men. They hate the internationalist policing, which is a progressive liberal tenet.

[Rohirrim]

"Death Panels" are very real. Dont be so naive. Just because it sounds too extreme now doesnt mean it wont happen. Nobody I know ever believed that they would have to either have nude pictures of themselves taken or have a government agent touch your genitalia in the course of everyday life. Death panels will be the committees of efficiency experts who make decisions on who gets treatment and who doesnt, which is clearly in the bill. They use statistical models to decide these things. Every bureaucratic system requires committees who make generalized models and close them off to those who fall outside the statistical norms. Its an inevitability.

Its telling that you chose to use a conservative pundit to complain about rather than someone like Bill Maher who hates muslims, and any number of extremist left wingers who want to destroy your ability to practice your religion. They're being friendly to muslims now because their party hates Christians, but once they hone in on muslims they will do all they can to put you in a box, marginalize you and then tax you out of existence.

Its the left wing that Muslims around the world hate. They hate the immoral trash that comes out of Hollywood. They hate the immodesty of our women and the weakness of our men. They hate the internationalist policing, which is a progressive liberal tenet.

Drama llama's love for fascism goes so deep that he now supports Sharia law. Ha!

[TonyR]

Oh noes!! That dastardly evil liberal media is picking on poor widdle mama bear.

What's funny is that this is strategic. She intentionally does and says things that she knows will get a reaction from the MSM and the left. The partisans on the right, as demonstrated here by epicfaildramaidiot, fall for it every time and see it as Palin being picked on which further endears them to her. It's a pretty smart media/PR strategy. The problem for Palin is that she's starting to get overexposed and more and more people are starting to see through her.

[TailgateNut]

What's funny is that this is strategic. She intentionally does and says things that she knows will get a reaction from the MSM and the left. The partisans on the right, as demonstrated here by epicfaildramaidiot, fall for it every time and see it as Palin being picked on which further endears them to her. It's a pretty smart media/PR strategy. The problem for Palin is that she's starting to get overexposed and more and more people are starting to see through her.


We'll never have to worry about DramaLlama falling into this category.

[Mile High Shack]

"Death Panels" are very real. Dont be so naive. Just because it sounds too extreme now doesnt mean it wont happen. Nobody I know ever believed that they would have to either have nude pictures of themselves taken or have a government agent touch your genitalia in the course of everyday life. Death panels will be the committees of efficiency experts who make decisions on who gets treatment and who doesnt, which is clearly in the bill. They use statistical models to decide these things. Every bureaucratic system requires committees who make generalized models and close them off to those who fall outside the statistical norms. Its an inevitability.

Its telling that you chose to use a conservative pundit to complain about rather than someone like Bill Maher who hates muslims, and any number of extremist left wingers who want to destroy your ability to practice your religion. They're being friendly to muslims now because their party hates Christians, but once they hone in on muslims they will do all they can to put you in a box, marginalize you and then tax you out of existence.

Its the left wing that Muslims around the world hate. They hate the immoral trash that comes out of Hollywood. They hate the immodesty of our women and the weakness of our men. They hate the internationalist policing, which is a progressive liberal tenet.

I'd say the Muslims hate the far right who want to take over their countries and drain their oil for their own profit too......

seriously dude, you need some counseling

[TonyR]

Interesting read from Nate Silver on Palin and the media:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/the-chicken-the-egg-the-media-and-sarah-palin/

Coverage of Ms. Palin may also not be quite as disproportionate as it might seem: according to a study by the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism, only 0.04 percent of the coverage in major newspapers, and 0.2 percent of coverage on the network news, was devoted to Ms. Palin in 2010 — although the figure was much higher for MSNBC (1.6 percent) and for Fox News (1.1 percent).

[Mile High Shack]

the good thing for America, her reaction to all of this has caused her disapproval rating to become GW2 like...so we won't have to deal with her running for office

[TonyR]

Here's another great example of the right's widespread and intentional dishonesty re Obama:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/the-big-lie-ctd.html

[Obushma]

Here's another great example of the right's widespread and intentional dishonesty re Obama:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/the-big-lie-ctd.html

Lets just hope the left remembers Obama's dishonesty come 2012.

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[DenverBrit]

"Death Panels" are very real. Dont be so naive. Just because it sounds too extreme now doesnt mean it wont happen. Nobody I know ever believed that they would have to either have nude pictures of themselves taken or have a government agent touch your genitalia in the course of everyday life. Death panels will be the committees of efficiency experts who make decisions on who gets treatment and who doesnt, which is clearly in the bill. They use statistical models to decide these things. Every bureaucratic system requires committees who make generalized models and close them off to those who fall outside the statistical norms. Its an inevitability.

Its telling that you chose to use a conservative pundit to complain about rather than someone like Bill Maher who hates muslims, and any number of extremist left wingers who want to destroy your ability to practice your religion. They're being friendly to muslims now because their party hates Christians, but once they hone in on muslims they will do all they can to put you in a box, marginalize you and then tax you out of existence.

Its the left wing that Muslims around the world hate. They hate the immoral trash that comes out of Hollywood. They hate the immodesty of our women and the weakness of our men. They hate the internationalist policing, which is a progressive liberal tenet.

Death panels!! Hilarious!

[Mile High Shack]

Death panels!! Hilarious!

I know, right?

good lord

[DenverBrit]

I know, right?

good lord

McLiar's too immature to look beyond his new Queen of Liars, Palin.

It came from her Facebook page and clowns like McLiar run with it while screaming 'It's in the bill, it's in the bill.'

Dupes!
"Death panel" is a political term coined in August 2009 on the Facebook page of former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin suggesting that health care legislation being debated in the U.S. Congress would create an America "in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care." There was no such term or explicit provision in the bill.[1] A provision including Medicare payments for voluntary counseling between a doctor and a patient on end-of-life issues and advance directives was the trigger for the 'death panel' concerns.

The American Dialect Society, a group of English language scholars, reported that "death panel" was their "most outrageous" word for 2009.

PolitiFact.com called "death panels" the "Lie of the Year"
False ‘Death Panel’ Rumor Has Some Familiar Roots
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14panel.html

[alkemical]

Don't Insurance companies have death panels on when to drop people and when to not cover conditions?

[TonyR]

Check out what Rush Slimebaugh is up to.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/does-he-speak-for-the-dittoheads.html

[JJJ]

Don't Insurance companies have death panels on when to drop people and when to not cover conditions?

Yes, that is why it isn't as crazy of a concept as these guys make it out to be. Many people in England and Canada die waiting for surgery depending on what waiting list they end up on. The death panels will take on this much more subtle form when full fledged Obama care kicks in.



Cumulative incidence for wait-list death in relation to length of queue for coronary-artery bypass grafting: a cohort study
Boris G Sobolev12*, Lisa Kuramoto2, Adrian R Levy13 and Robert Hayden4

* Corresponding author: Boris G Sobolev bsobolev@shaw.ca

Author Affiliations
1 Department of Health Care and Epidemiology, University of British Columbia, Canada

2 Centre for Clinical Epidemiology and Evaluation, Vancouver, Canada

3 Centre for Health Evaluation and Outcome Sciences, Vancouver, Canada

4 British Columbia Cardiac Registries Surgical Research Committee, Vancouver, Canada

Abstract
Background
In deciding where to undergo coronary-artery bypass grafting, the length of surgical wait lists is often the only information available to cardiologists and their patients. Our objective was to compare the cumulative incidence for death on the wait list according to the length of wait lists at the time of registration for the operation.

Methods
The study cohort included 8966 patients who registered to undergo isolated coronary-artery bypass grafting (82.4% men; 71.9% semi-urgent; 22.4% non-urgent). The patients were categorized according to wait-list clearance time at registration: either "1 month or less" or "more than 1 month". Cumulative incidence for wait-list death was compared between the groups, and the significance of difference was tested by means of regression models.

Results
Urgent patients never registered on a wait list with a clearance time of more than 1 month. Semi-urgent patients registered on shorter wait lists more often than non-urgent patients (79.1% vs. 44.7%). In semi-urgent and non-urgent patients, the observed proportion of wait-list deaths by 52 weeks was lower in category "1 month or less" than in category "more than 1 month" (0.8% [49 deaths] vs. 1.6% [39 deaths], P < 0.005). After adjustment, the odds of death before surgery were 64% higher in patients on longer lists, odds ratio [OR] = 1.64 (95% confidence interval [CI] 1.02–2.63). The observed death rate was higher in category "more than 1 month" than in category "1 month or less", 0.79 (95%CI 0.54–1.04) vs. 0.58 (95% CI 0.42–0.74) per 1000 patient-weeks, the adjusted OR = 1.60 (95%CI 1.01–2.53). Longer wait times (log-rank test = 266.4, P < 0.001) and higher death rates contributed to a higher cumulative incidence for death on the wait list with a clearance time of more than 1 month.

Conclusion
Long wait lists for coronary-artery bypass grafting are associated with increased probability that a patient dies before surgery. Physicians who advise patients where to undergo cardiac revascularization should consider the risk of pre-surgical death that is associated with the length of a surgical wait list.

Background
In patients with coronary artery disease (CAD) who are to undergo coronary artery bypass grafting (CABG), delaying that operation may lead to the deterioration of the patient's condition, a poor clinical outcome, and an increased risk of death [1-3] . A patient who presents with the symptoms of CAD is usually referred to a cardiologist, who evaluates the results of coronary angiography and recommends treatment. If coronary angioplasty is not indicated, that patient is referred to a cardiac surgeon, who assesses the need for and suitability of CABG surgery. Patients who require immediate care are admitted to a hospital cardiac ward directly from the catheterization laboratory. Elective patients are scheduled for outpatient consultation with the cardiac surgeon. After the consultation in which a CABG is deemed necessary, surgeons register patients on their wait lists. The detailed pathway to surgical revascularization has been described elsewhere [4] . Surgical wait lists hold patient names until surgery can be scheduled. Patients are removed from the wait list without having undergone surgery if they die, refuse the operation, accept surgery from another surgeon, move out of the province, or experience a health-related decline that contraindicates surgery.

It has been argued that cardiologists and their patients should assess the likely extent of treatment delay and associated risks when they choose a cardiac surgeon [5] . In deciding where to undergo treatment, wait-list size is often the only information available to cardiologists and their patients because the length of the wait list for surgery is a common correlate of the expected wait for hospital admission. Indeed, all patients on a wait list must be treated before a patient who has just registered for surgery can be scheduled for treatment. We previously performed an empirical analysis of a population-based registry and found that the length of queue at registration affected the time to elective surgery [4] . Surprisingly, few studies have correlated the health effects of the pre-surgical wait with wait-list size at the time of registration for an elective CABG. The common concern is whether the decision to refer a patient to a specific cardiac surgeon can be made without considering the length of the current wait list.

We performed a prospective study of all patients who registered to undergo isolated CABG surgery from 1991 through 2000 in British Columbia, Canada. We estimated the time-dependent probability for death during or before a certain wait-list week in a patient who could be removed from a surgical waiting list for surgery, death, or other reasons. The objective of this study was to compare the cumulative incidence of wait-list death between two groups of patients classified according to the length of wait lists at the time of their registration for CABG and to test for significant differences in the risk of death resulting from registration on a longer wait list.

http://www.cardiothoracicsurgery.org/content/1/1/21

[DenverBrit]

Yes, that is why it isn't as crazy of a concept as these guys make it out to be. Many people in England and Canada die waiting for surgery depending on what waiting list they end up on. The death panels will take on this much more subtle form when full fledged Obama care kicks in.


People are moving around the world to get treatment for various ailments. US patients go because they can't afford to get treatment in their own country. Another 40 million have no insurance for a variety of reasons.....pre existing conditions being a major cause. No country has a perfect health-care system and Obama care is not the answer either.

At least 85,000 Americans choose to travel abroad for medical procedures each year, according to a recent report by the consulting firm McKinsey & Company. Treatment includes dental implants, hip and knee replacements, heart valve replacements and bypass surgery. The cost of surgery performed overseas can be as little as 20 percent of the price of the same procedure in the United States, according to a recent report by the American Medical Association.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/health/21patient.html

But 'Death Panels'? That's a Palin and far right invention to keep people scared and a very profitable insurance industry in business.

[Rohirrim]

BTW, drama llama. Seen this poster?

http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama_joker.jpg?w=300&h=438

Or this billboard?

http://gbmnews.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tea-partymc-billboard-e1279126559146.jpg

Here's a favorite of the tea party:

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/upload/2009/09/a_trail_of_shame_racism_and_th/African_witch_doctor_poster.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

That's the kind of thing that makes McAngrySpammer's whole "hate mongers have feelings too" thread so hilarious.

[mhgaffney]

Hare mongers are human too!
That's rich.

(Richer than I can afford)

[JJJ]

Hare mongers are human too!
That's rich.

(Richer than I can afford)

Clearly the cost of rabbits is going up.