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frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 03:50 AM
Nothing public, bit for all practical purposes it looks like we're down to the final 3. Who do you choose?

Poll coming....

Drek
01-12-2011, 04:21 AM
Nothing public, bit for all practical purposes it looks like we're down to the final 3. Who do you choose?

Poll coming....

Why is Koetter off the list with Fewell still on when there are reports that Fewell is going to stay with the Giants and nothing of the sort on Koetter?

ColoradoDarin
01-12-2011, 04:24 AM
Why is Koetter off the list with Fewell still on when there are reports that Fewell is going to stay with the Giants and nothing of the sort on Koetter?

This.

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 04:28 AM
Why is Koetter off the list with Fewell still on when there are reports that Fewell is going to stay with the Giants and nothing of the sort on Koetter?

There is nothing reporting Fewell is staying with the Giants if he's offered the Broncos gig. The "report" simply stated that most of his opportunities had already been filled.

Koetter isn't in the top 3, from what I understand, Fewell is.

baja
01-12-2011, 04:35 AM
Has anybody else noticed no Pat Bowlen in any of the interview videos and why is the Greek there?

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 04:39 AM
Has anybody else noticed no Pat Bowlen in any of the interview videos and why is the Greek there?

I noticed, but then I read Pat really liked Fewell's interview. So I'm not sure.

Maybe Pat thought he was there.

Broncoman13
01-12-2011, 04:48 AM
I think at this point I would prefer Rick Dennison. Not b/c I am looking for some sort of Bronco Nostalgia or anything like that but b/c the Shanny/Kubes/Dennison style of offense would be good for Tebow AND it would force the Broncos to really get a sound Defensive Coordinator. I think a solid DC is the key. You bring in a Defensive minded HC and you still have to go out there and find a solid OC. Who out there do you trust to develop Tebow?

I think Dennison got a raw deal around here. Specifically when he became the OL coach replacing the legendary Alex Gibbs. The OL never performed at the same level, but that isn't surprising... but many fans cursed Dennison for not being Gibbs.

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 04:51 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/24242/fewells-loss-is-giants-gain

We'll keep you posted on where Fewell stands with the Broncos and Browns. He reportedly impressed Denver owner Pat Bowlen with his enthusiasm and meticulous plan for practices and games.

tsiguy96
01-12-2011, 04:55 AM
no reason keep koetter or studesville off the list, youve had no indication to think that.

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 05:04 AM
no reason keep koetter or studesville off the list, youve had no indication to think that.

If I thought he had any chance of being hired, he'd be on there. Guess I'll have a little egg on my face if he is.

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 05:07 AM
I think Koetter is the front runner.

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 05:13 AM
Based on Carolina fans comments about Fox, he should be taken off the list:

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring. You'll come to realize if you choose Fox as your HC that he is quite possible the most boring person in the world. He hates interviews and just spouts off phrases that say nothing. He doesn't really show much passion or fire when coaching. You may wonder if he has a pulse from time to time. That also runs through his philosophy on running a team. Again, his schemes are very vanilla. He doesn't want to take risks. He won't want to bring in high profile names or make many bold moves in general. Sometimes as a football fan you just want some excitement around your team-well kiss that goodbye if you take Fox. It will frustrate your fans to no end, especially if you aren't doing well.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=182208

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 05:17 AM
I think Koetter is the front runner.

I think it's Fox's to lose if they can't work out the money, with Fewell as the fallback option.

Heard that yesterday, tho maybe I'll look foolish.

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 05:18 AM
I think it's Fox's to lose if they can't work out the money, with Fewell as the fallback option.

Heard that yesterday, tho maybe I'll look foolish.

So you're saying the job already belongs to Fox before an interview?

Or the list is so ****ty that due to his experience he'll get the job based on that?

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 05:25 AM
So you're saying the job already belongs to Fox before an interview?

Or the list is so ****ty that due to his experience he'll get the job based on that?

I think with these things they always have a pretty good idea going in. That's why nobody interviews dozens of people like most important positions in companies.

Ray Finkle
01-12-2011, 05:35 AM
Has anybody else noticed no Pat Bowlen in any of the interview videos and why is the Greek there?

Pat was at Rico's interview. There is a clip of him.

baja
01-12-2011, 05:35 AM
I think with these things they always have a pretty good idea going in. That's why nobody interviews dozens of people like most important positions in companies.

There are not dozens of people qualified is why they don't interview dozens of people.

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 05:39 AM
I think it's Fox's to lose if they can't work out the money, with Fewell as the fallback option.

Heard that yesterday, tho maybe I'll look foolish.

Where did you hear this? There is more evidence Fewell and Fox aren't going to be the head coach than Koetter isn't.

baja
01-12-2011, 05:39 AM
Pat was at Rico's interview. There is a clip of him.

Thanks. I watched the one on denverbroncos.com but I didn't see Pat guess I could have missed him.

Ray Finkle
01-12-2011, 05:41 AM
Thanks. I watched the one on denverbroncos.com but I didn't see Pat guess I could have missed him.

could would sworn there was a brief shot of him as he entered the room.

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 05:47 AM
When do people think it'll be announced? I think there is a good chance we'll find out tomorrow or Friday.

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 05:55 AM
When do people think it'll be announced? I think there is a good chance we'll find out tomorrow or Friday.

So it's safe to assume Mularkey isn't getting the job?
Ha!ROFL!

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 06:00 AM
So it's safe to assume Mularkey isn't getting the job?
Ha!ROFL!

I thinK that's been safe to assume for awhile.

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 06:04 AM
I though Mularkey was re-scheduled for an interview. Was he not?

bowtown
01-12-2011, 06:07 AM
1. John Fox.



2. Parry Fewell








































3. Rick Dennison

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 06:08 AM
I though Mularkey was re-scheduled for an interview. Was he not?

He did according to what was reported.

TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if we hired a coach before that date.

I don't think Mularkey is really interested based on his cancellation, and based on the delayed rescheduling. It seems like he's just saving the Broncos face/PR a bit by rescheduling so it doesn't make it seem like he's completely disinterested (like Gregg Williams). As I said before, I think this is a pure PR move.

Anyways, hopefully I'm wrong. If anyone gets hired before that date though, it'll be confirmed it was a pure PR move.

And by the way, does anyone even know what this later date is? Since he said he doesn't want to interview since it'd be a distraction with his team... how do you schedule anything without knowing when the Falcons would be done?

toad
01-12-2011, 06:09 AM
My guess is Fox at this point and, for the most part, I'm OK with that.

I live in NC so the Panthers are my "other team."

Fox seems to favor a defensive, running, and clock-control game, much like Steelers/Ravens-lite. Aside from this year, it always seems his teams are tough/gritty.

Fox's teams, this year aside, seem to have been mostly competitive even in losses.

Fox coached a team to the Super Bowl and was 1 bad kick-off away from winning it against the dynasty-era Pats.

He's done a lot with a notoriously cheap owner.

If I recall he's well-respected by players - authoritative, but still a "players coach"

This year he's suffered major injuries to his top 2 backs, and has had to rely on a former 3rd-string QB and untested rookie.

My only "worry" is that he keeps McCoy around...based on the play calling those last 3 games. But, perhaps, those last 3 games was based on an ultra-conservative game plan not knowing what Tebow could do put together in-part by Studesville (?).

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 06:10 AM
Based on Carolina fans comments about Fox, he should be taken off the list:



http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=182208

From a different Carolina fan on a different Broncos board:

"Did nto get fired..waas not resigned to a contract. The difference is that John was/is a great coach, but he had lost his owners trust to get the whole thing for us anytime soon. You would have in JF a great source of knowledge, coach/player skills and a sure fired ability to compete from the outstart.

JF has pedigree, and while we were glad to see him go, it was for mutual respect reasons. He was a great coach, but he was in a process rut...9 years is no slack. He was burnt out with us and we with him."

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=101&f=1795&t=6849413&p=3

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 06:11 AM
My worry is that we'd be a 4-3 under Fox

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 06:13 AM
I though Mularkey was re-scheduled for an interview. Was he not?

No. He said he would reschedule, but he can't interview now until the Falcons season is over (which could be after the SB)

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 06:13 AM
From a different Carolina fan on a different Broncos board:

"Did nto get fired..waas not resigned to a contract. The difference is that John was/is a great coach, but he had lost his owners trust to get the whole thing for us anytime soon. You would have in JF a great source of knowledge, coach/player skills and a sure fired ability to compete from the outstart.

JF has pedigree, and while we were glad to see him go, it was for mutual respect reasons. He was a great coach, but he was in a process rut...9 years is no slack. He was burnt out with us and we with him."

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=101&f=1795&t=6849413&p=3

What does that have to do with what I bolded? I didn't paste that specific quote of mine just because it was negative, I pasted it based on a requirement that John Elway seemed to have for the next coach.

Then you go on to add some positive information you can find about Fox anywhere. What does it have to do with anything in what I said?

You understand that your post is in no way refuting my post?

Are you that ****ing stupid? Your user name is no damn irony, it's a representation of how dumb you really are.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 06:13 AM
Also, I voted Fewell. Second choice, Fox.







Choice # 1,598: Dennison.

Dennison is a nice guy. I've met him on a few occasions, right after Denver won the Super Bowl in '98. His father was the president of the University, I worked very closely with the President's Office on campus, yadda yadda. Anyway, he reminds me a bit of Brian Cabral. Excellent assistant coach, but not a head coach at all. Just a vibe you get off him.

The difference, of course, is that Cabral would likely tell you the same thing -- that he's not a head coach, but an assistant-type -- and Dennison wants a head job.

If Dennison is such a legit candidate, why has nobody else interviewed him for a head coaching gig?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 06:15 AM
What does that have to do with what I bolded? I didn't paste that specific quote of mine just because it was negative, I pasted it based on a requirement that John Elway seemed to have for the next coach.

Then you go on to add some positive information you can find about Fox anywhere. What does it have to do with anything in what I said?

Are you that ****ing stupid? Your user name is no damn irony, it's a representation of how dumb you really are.

It's a different perspective from a different Carolina fan, dip****. It wasn't posted to "refute" your post. I don't need attention as badly as you do.

Holy ****. The entire world doesn't revolve around you and your posting history on a message board. Grow the **** up.

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 06:17 AM
It's a different perspective from a different Carolina fan, dip****. It wasn't posted to "refute" your post. I don't need attention as badly as you do.

Holy ****. The entire world doesn't revolve around you and your posting history on a message board. Grow the **** up.

You quoted my post, you've been following me around with elementary insults... I mean why quote me if you were going to post a different perspective that isn't in any relation to mine? It's quite obvious Fox has many positives about him.

Whatever man, it's good.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 06:18 AM
Here's another post, from the same board, from a different Carolina fan. Is it okay if I post this here, MVagina? Or are you going to get all butthurt because someone else has another perspective again?

"As a panthers fan, I am going to disagree with my colleague, gmonet. Fox is NOT the coach you guys want because he is NOT a good coach. He failes to adjust, he fails to think outside the box, and regardless of who the OC is, your going to be see half your offensive series be run, run, run, punt. All I can tell you is you better love the draw play - especially on 3rd and LONG!

Fox has skill - but he cannot motivate his players, he doesn't use their strengths. He is unwilling to let his coordinators plan - everything goes through him. We went through multiple offensive and defensive coordinators - and the schemes never altered a bit. That should tell you enough.

Also - if Fox is your guy, prepare for hearing a whole lot of NOTHING in his pressers...

Now - as to Capers. Grab him if you can. I wish JR would bring him back to the Panthers - he learned alot from that position and will likely be a Bellicheck-like genius on his second go round. Just like Bill in NE has been after his browns stint."

Also doesn't "refute" anything you posted. But since you're too ****ing dense to realize the entire world doesn't revolve around that tiny brain of yours -- which happens to be stuck up your ass -- I wouldn't be surprised if you rip me for posting this one as well.

baja
01-12-2011, 06:25 AM
I was wondering about Capers too.

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 06:28 AM
Also - if Fox is your guy, prepare for hearing a whole lot of NOTHING in his pressers...



Fox would probably have to change that based on what Elway has said.

TonyR
01-12-2011, 06:28 AM
Mike & Mike will be talking about the Broncos coaching search in about two minutes on ESPN radio...

baja
01-12-2011, 06:29 AM
Here's another post, from the same board, from a different Carolina fan. Is it okay if I post this here, MVagina? Or are you going to get all butthurt because someone else has another perspective again?

"As a panthers fan, I am going to disagree with my colleague, gmonet. Fox is NOT the coach you guys want because he is NOT a good coach. He failes to adjust, he fails to think outside the box, and regardless of who the OC is, your going to be see half your offensive series be run, run, run, punt. All I can tell you is you better love the draw play - especially on 3rd and LONG!

Fox has skill - but he cannot motivate his players, he doesn't use their strengths. He is unwilling to let his coordinators plan - everything goes through him. We went through multiple offensive and defensive coordinators - and the schemes never altered a bit. That should tell you enough.

Also - if Fox is your guy, prepare for hearing a whole lot of NOTHING in his pressers...

Now - as to Capers. Grab him if you can. I wish JR would bring him back to the Panthers - he learned alot from that position and will likely be a Bellicheck-like genius on his second go round. Just like Bill in NE has been after his browns stint."

Also doesn't "refute" anything you posted. But since you're too ****ing dense to realize the entire world doesn't revolve around that tiny brain of yours -- which happens to be stuck up your ass -- I wouldn't be surprised if you rip me for posting this one as well.

I love when posts fall in line like #34 and #35

#34 Sorry man it's all good

#35 (posted without the benefit of reading #34) You are the worse person in the world &^)##^@@.....

frerottenextelway
01-12-2011, 06:33 AM
i love when posts fall in line like #34 and #35

#34 sorry man it's all good

#35 (posted without the benefit of reading #34) you are the worse person in the world &^)##^@@.....

rofl!

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 06:33 AM
i love when posts fall in line like #34 and #35

#34 sorry man it's all good

#35 (posted without the benefit of reading #34) you are the worse person in the world &^)##^@@.....

lol

baja
01-12-2011, 06:33 AM
Dom Capers

Professional
After a stint in the USFL, he began his NFL career as an assistant with the New Orleans Saints and was named defensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1992, including a trip to the AFC Championship game in 1994. He remained with the Steelers until becoming head coach of the expansion Carolina Panthers in 1995. After 1995's 7–9 season, a record breaking mark for an expansion team, the Panthers went to the NFC Championship game in 1996. Continuing to spend against the salary cap, and eventually taking control of personnel matters in 1997, the Panthers went 7–9, followed by a dismal 4–12 season in 1998, at the end of which he was terminated.
After being let go from the Panthers, he served as an assistant with the Jacksonville Jaguars until becoming the head coach of the expansion Houston Texans on January 21, 2001. After starting out 4–12 (2002) and 5–11 (2003) in his first two seasons in Houston, the Texans posted a 7–9 mark in 2004.
Capers was known for his abilities as a defensive coach, and for his conservative play-calling on offense. Several TV announcers were known to predict Texans plays on occasion. He was also famous because he kept a 17 hour per day work schedule and sleeping just five hours per night, often on a couch in his office.
The Texans announced in 2005 following their record of 2-14 (worst in NFL) that Capers would be fired January 2, 2006.
On January 23, 2006, the Miami Dolphins announced the hiring of Dom Capers as the team's defensive coordinator. There, he served as assistant head coach. With an annual salary of $2.6 million, Capers was the highest paid assistant coach in the NFL, alongside Washington Redskins assistant head coach Gregg Williams. On Thursday, January 3, 2008, Dom Capers was fired along with all offensive and defensive coaches. It was said that the new head coach may hire the assistants back.[1]
On January 29, 2008, Capers interviewed with the Dallas Cowboys for the vacant linebackers coach position. It is rumored that he was offered the defensive coordinator or defensive consultant position.[2]
On February 21, 2008, Capers was hired by the Patriots as their secondary coach/special assistant, replacing Joel Collier.
On January 19, 2009, Capers was named the Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator by head coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson, where he replaced the 4-3 defense Green Bay has used since 1992 with the 3-4 he used in Miami.[3] Green Bay's defensive ranking in his first year improved to second in the league in 2009, from 21st in the league in 2008.[4] In spite of being decimated by injuries in the 2010 season, Capers' defense got even better. The defensive unit ranked 2nd in Scoring Defense, 5th in Total Defense, 2nd in Interceptions, 2nd in Sacks, and 1st in Opposing Quarterback Passer Rating.

2KBack
01-12-2011, 06:35 AM
I was wondering about Capers too.

Capers would be my #1 choice honestly. I saw somewhere that he was ruled out as even an interviewee though.

I think I'm warming up to good old Coach Koetter. I always liked him, and I think he is a unique blend of experienced and fresh blood. He isn't an also ran fired HC, but he also has HC experience. While it may have been in a mediocre school, he has built and managed a coaching staff before, and with some success.

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 06:36 AM
Mike & Mike will be talking about the Broncos coaching search in about two minutes on ESPN radio...

updates if you can..

footstepsfrom#27
01-12-2011, 06:38 AM
Nothing public, bit for all practical purposes it looks like we're down to the final 3. Who do you choose?

Poll coming....
NOTA...seriously? This is the list of what we've come up with after hiring a search firm and bringing in Elway? Who believes any one of these guys is on anyone elses short list? Let alone considered the best coach available by any franchise other than Denver?

If I have to choose, give me Fox. He's at least taken a team to the Super Bowl and won a couple division titles...blind squirrel syndrome I guess, and he's a career near .500 coach in the NFL, nothing much to get excited about.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 06:39 AM
Capers would be my #1 choice honestly. I saw somewhere that he was ruled out as even an interviewee though.

I think I'm warming up to good old Coach Koetter. I always liked him, and I think he is a unique blend of experienced and fresh blood. He isn't an also ran fired HC, but he also has HC experience. While it may have been in a mediocre school, he has built and managed a coaching staff before, and with some success.

I'm with you. I hadn't heard that he'd been ruled out; in fact, I thought we were bringing him in this week to talk, but with the playoffs, that can be iffy.

It's a drag. I think Capers could do some really good things over the next several years.

baja
01-12-2011, 06:42 AM
I'm with you. I hadn't heard that he'd been ruled out; in fact, I thought we were bringing him in this week to talk, but with the playoffs, that can be iffy.

It's a drag. I think Capers could do some really good things over the next several years.

Sure would be a great fit for the defense 3 - 4 we want to finish transitioning into but is that a good reason to hire him for HC?

TonyR
01-12-2011, 06:49 AM
Mike & Mike will be talking about the Broncos coaching search in about two minutes on ESPN radio...

Nothing much to report. They started with a Schefter report on how the Broncos are posting videos of the candidates on the team web site. Then Mike & Mike talked about how unprecedented this was. They didn't make fun of the Broncos like I expected but did sound a little puzzled as to why the team was doing this. Greenberg offered a theory that the team was just doing a 180 from the closed McDaniels style to an open style and compared this to how the Jets went from closed Mangini to never shuts up Rex Ryan.

footstepsfrom#27
01-12-2011, 06:53 AM
What a crap list this is. What was the point of bringing in Elway, a search firm, all that BS...if this is all they're going to do?

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 06:53 AM
Nothing much to report. They started with a Schefter report on how the Broncos are posting videos of the candidates on the team web site. Then Mike & Mike talked about how unprecedented this was. They didn't make fun of the Broncos like I expected but did sound a little puzzled as to why the team was doing this. Greenberg offered a theory that the team was just doing a 180 from the closed McDaniels style to an open style and compared this to how the Jets went from closed Mangini to never shuts up Rex Ryan.

I find that McDaniels was very detailed in his pressers, moreso than any other coach in the league. I mean, it seems like they're acting as if this "closed style" started with McDaniels. Shanahan did the same thing, and often worse.

The most successful organizations have a closed style...

Elway is doing it for the fans though because he wants to gain their interest again. #1 goal for the off season for every single team in the NFL is give the fan base hope and confidence that the upcoming NFL season could be a successful one.

footstepsfrom#27
01-12-2011, 06:56 AM
Nothing much to report. They started with a Schefter report on how the Broncos are posting videos of the candidates on the team web site. Then Mike & Mike talked about how unprecedented this was. They didn't make fun of the Broncos like I expected but did sound a little puzzled as to why the team was doing this. Greenberg offered a theory that the team was just doing a 180 from the closed McDaniels style to an open style and compared this to how the Jets went from closed Mangini to never shuts up Rex Ryan.
Instead of twittering **** and videos on the web, I'd rather they just got serious and hired a coach that at least makes it look like they want to win. None of these guys inspire any confidence in that at all IMO.

baja
01-12-2011, 07:01 AM
Josh was very open in his pressers.

He started out with the "New England Way" but he got away from that very quickly. One thing about Josh is he learned from his mistakes pretty quickly. Had Bowlen been smart enough to give him some structure in the FO and let him go his thing coaching only he would have developed into a very good HC. IMO

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 07:04 AM
What a crap list this is. What was the point of bringing in Elway, a search firm, all that BS...if this is all they're going to do?

John Harbaugh was a defensive backs/special teams coach.

Mike Smith was a little known defensive coordinator for the Jags.

Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator for the worst ranked 49ers and got hired.

You don't have to have a "flashy" hire to get a good head coach.

BroncoInferno
01-12-2011, 07:06 AM
NOTA...seriously? This is the list of what we've come up with after hiring a search firm and bringing in Elway? Who believes any one of these guys is on anyone elses short list? Let alone considered the best coach available by any franchise other than Denver?

If I have to choose, give me Fox. He's at least taken a team to the Super Bowl and won a couple division titles...blind squirrel syndrome I guess, and he's a career near .500 coach in the NFL, nothing much to get excited about.

As fans, it is easy for us to be satisfied with nothing less than the guy with the glittery resume, but recent NFL history suggests that approach is not necessary. Take a look at Mike McCarthy with Green Bay, for instance. Do you know what his prior job was to being named head coach by Ted Thompson in 2006? Offensive coordinator for the 49ers. Do you know where his 49ers offense ranked in 2005 just before landing that job? Dead last in the NFL. Prior to that one year stint, he'd been the OC for New Orleans under the Haslett regime. He had decent success there, but nothing remarkable. Look at Mike Smith in Atlanta. Who'd even heard of the guy when Dimitiroff hired him in 2008? He had previously been the DC in Jacksonville where he achieved decent success, but, again, nothing that would just jump off the page at you. John Harbaugh was a special teams coach before Newsome hired him in Baltimore. My point? Just because guys like Fewell and Koetter don't have superstar level resumes does not mean they aren't fine coaches who can be successful. To me, the key to success is going to be the how the Elway/Xanders partnership works. If Elway is in over his head, it isn't going to matter who the coach is.

baja
01-12-2011, 07:07 AM
John Harbaugh was a defensive backs/special teams coach.

Mike Smith was a little known defensive coordinator for the Jags.

Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator for the worst ranked 49ers and got hired.

You don't have to have a "flashy" hire to get a good head coach.

Rick Dennison

footstepsfrom#27
01-12-2011, 07:09 AM
John Harbaugh was a defensive backs/special teams coach.

Mike Smith was a little known defensive coordinator for the Jags.

Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator for the worst ranked 49ers and got hired.

You don't have to have a "flashy" hire to get a good head coach.
So you think these are the three best coaching prospects out there huh? Wonder which one the search firm came up with...

BroncoInferno
01-12-2011, 07:11 AM
So you think these are the three best coaching prospects out there huh? Wonder which one the search firm came up with...

To me, you get the search firm to unearth a guy like McCarthy, Mike Smith or John Harbaugh. Any fool on a message board can identify a superstar coach like Bill Cowher or John Gruden.

Beantown Bronco
01-12-2011, 07:12 AM
and why is the Greek there?

In case any of the coaching candidates pull a hammy on the way out. Kills two birds with one stone: (1) Greek is right there to help out and (2) we know we have our guy, someone who can relate to all our players.

Mile High Shack
01-12-2011, 07:12 AM
I seriously can't wait until they hire the HC so all you drama queens will have something else to bitch about

baja
01-12-2011, 07:13 AM
To me, you get the search firm to unearth a guy like McCarthy, Mike Smith or John Harbaugh. Any fool on a message board can identify a superstar coach like Bill Cowher or John Gruden.

LOL

"After extensive and exhausting research the team has come up with what we believe to be an outstanding prospect, Vince Lombardi."

gunns
01-12-2011, 07:13 AM
I though Mularkey was re-scheduled for an interview. Was he not?


I heard he was told they would wait and do an interview with him. Which could mean next month.....or next week.

CEH
01-12-2011, 07:13 AM
John Harbaugh was a defensive backs/special teams coach.

Mike Smith was a little known defensive coordinator for the Jags.

Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator for the worst ranked 49ers and got hired.

You don't have to have a "flashy" hire to get a good head coach.

Yet you hate Rico for what reason? Just because he's a former Bronco?

What had Harbaugh done that Dennison hasn't done. Atleast Dennison played defense

What about a Dennison/John Fox combo with Fox as a DC if he doesn't get a HC job. Wouldn't that be a pretty nice settup? Fox may go teh Wade Phillips route and get back into coaching while he waits for another HC job

baja
01-12-2011, 07:14 AM
In case any of the coaching candidates pull a hammy on the way out. Kills two birds with one stone: (1) Greek is right there to help out and (2) we know we have our guy, someone who can relate to all our players.

I was thinking he was gong to administer the lie detector tests.

BroncosMT
01-12-2011, 07:25 AM
I seriously can't wait until they hire the HC so all you drama queens will have something else to b**** about

this

mkporter
01-12-2011, 07:25 AM
I think Koetter is the front runner.

For whatever reason, I get that sense too. Interesting tidbit from the post this morning re: Gregg Williams & Koetter:


Williams, who worked with Koetter in Jacksonville for a season, strongly recommended Koetter to Elway. In a text message to Elway, Williams said: "Dirk Koetter is a GREAT find on your part. I have very high regard for him."

Read more: Fox delayed again; Dennison, Koetter state cases to Broncos - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17070854#ixzz1AppANoWA
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Hopefully Koetter turns out to be a Mike Smith/Harbaugh kind of guy. I've officially upgraded my interest from "Who?" to "Hmm.."

goldengopher1976
01-12-2011, 07:25 AM
Studesville

The MVPlaya
01-12-2011, 07:26 AM
Yet you hate Rico for what reason? Just because he's a former Bronco?

What had Harbaugh done that Dennison hasn't done. Atleast Dennison played defense

What about a Dennison/John Fox combo with Fox as a DC if he doesn't get a HC job. Wouldn't that be a pretty nice settup? Fox may go teh Wade Phillips route and get back into coaching while he waits for another HC job

Dennison's resume is extremely lame compared to the coaches he listed.

The main reason for me is that Dennison doesn't come from any sort of solid foundation of have any real trail of success other than 1 outstanding season as an OL coach (am I missing something?)... on top of all that he comes from an extremely, and easily the SOFTEST coaches that have coached in the NFL.

montrose
01-12-2011, 07:28 AM
Hopefully Koetter turns out to be a Mike Smith/Harbaugh kind of guy. I've officially upgraded my interest from "Who?" to "Hmm.."

I wouldn't be suprised if he's a guy that was found by the search firm.

SI_PeterKing Peter King
RT @Tunker22: @SI_PeterKing As a GB fan I wanted Mooch at the time and yacked when they hired Mccarthy. Now I love that big marshmallow.

Lev Vyvanse
01-12-2011, 07:29 AM
Has anybody else noticed no Pat Bowlen in any of the interview videos and why is the Greek there?

My bet is Elway wanted him in the interview.

baja
01-12-2011, 07:30 AM
My bet is Elway wanted him in the interview.

Clearly but why?

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 07:33 AM
As fans, it is easy for us to be satisfied with nothing less than the guy with the glittery resume, but recent NFL history suggests that approach is not necessary. Take a look at Mike McCarthy with Green Bay, for instance. Do you know what his prior job was to being named head coach by Ted Thompson in 2006? Offensive coordinator for the 49ers. Do you know where his 49ers offense ranked in 2005 just before landing that job? Dead last in the NFL. Prior to that one year stint, he'd been the OC for New Orleans under the Haslett regime. He had decent success there, but nothing remarkable. Look at Mike Smith in Atlanta. Who'd even heard of the guy when Dimitiroff hired him in 2008? He had previously been the DC in Jacksonville where he achieved decent success, but, again, nothing that would just jump off the page at you. John Harbaugh was a special teams coach before Newsome hired him in Baltimore. My point? Just because guys like Fewell and Koetter don't have superstar level resumes does not mean they aren't fine coaches who can be successful. To me, the key to success is going to be the how the Elway/Xanders partnership works. If Elway is in over his head, it isn't going to matter who the coach is.

And if you can't pick good players in the draft and FA, your coach can be Vince Lombardi, and you're still going to lose.

baja
01-12-2011, 07:33 AM
I wouldn't be suprised if he's a guy that was found by the search firm.

SI_PeterKing Peter King
RT @Tunker22: @SI_PeterKing As a GB fan I wanted Mooch at the time and yacked when they hired Mccarthy. Now I love that big marshmallow.

It would be interesting to know their search criteria.

CEH
01-12-2011, 07:44 AM
Dennison's resume is extremely lame compared to the coaches he listed.

The main reason for me is that Dennison doesn't come from any sort of solid foundation of have any real trail of success other than 1 outstanding season as an OL coach (am I missing something?)... on top of all that he comes from an extremely, and easily the SOFTEST coaches that have coached in the NFL.

Bullcrap. Harbaugh was a ST coach for 9 years and a DB coach for one year before becoming HC. One year of being a non ST coach.

Everything you say appiles to Harbaugh as well. Andy Reid and his WCO offense is some sort of tough running game first type team. Don't think so

Atleast come with something besides a bias opinion.

If anythings guys like Harbaugh and McCarthy is a main reason why Dennison may become a good HC. A head coach needs to be alot more than just a coordinator. The qualities you look for have nothing to do with what type of offense or defense they run. If he can gather the right coordinators his job is to lead not call plays

montrose
01-12-2011, 07:46 AM
When do people think it'll be announced? I think there is a good chance we'll find out tomorrow or Friday.

I don't think it'll be that soon. Klis reported it would probably be a week from today - January 19th. With only Cleveland and Oakland having openings (and to my knowledge there isn't crossover in their prospects other than Fewell or Mularkey - underdogs anyway), they can take their time. They'll interview Fox today and probably begin power-ranking the candidates. If they've really got a good feeling about 1 or 2 - they may setup 2nd interviews for this weekend or early this week.

If they're still unsure, they could wait until the weekend to see if Atlanta gets bounced and talk to Mularkey next week. Also, Jason LaCanfora reported yesterday that Elway has reached out to Fassell (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81d9fd7c/Coaching-searches) so it's possible they could interview him next week too.

So I'm thinking that if they like one of the Fab 5 (Fewell, Studes, Dennison, Koetter, Fox) - it could be as early as Monday or Tuesday although I'd like them to short-list it and maybe have one more interview with their top 2 guys - and that'd be something the search firm may suggest too. If we see interviews for new candidates getting setup - it may take some time and also suggest Elway wasn't overly impressed by these guys.

I though Mularkey was re-scheduled for an interview. Was he not?

Casserly said they've agreed to meet a later date but Elway said they weren't going to hold up the process for him. So if Atlanta loses this weekend I wouldn't be suprised if they talk next week but I wouldn't expect them to keep the job open until Atlanta loses if they like one of these guys.

BroncosMT
01-12-2011, 07:46 AM
I voted for Fewell based a lot on his passion for the game and its something different......he has the experience, well respected, and would do very well at rebuilding this franchise IMO

Lev Vyvanse
01-12-2011, 07:53 AM
Clearly but why?

Why would he sit down and evaluate the roster with him? He wants to make sure someone in the room is less qualified then him?

ColoradoBuff
01-12-2011, 07:55 AM
I voted for Fewell based a lot on his passion for the game and its something different......he has the experience, well respected, and would do very well at rebuilding this franchise IMO

I agree.

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 07:58 AM
I don't see why we even need to worry about it until after the SB. What's a coach going to do? Rearrange his office? There aren't any players around to coach. I'm sure the scouting wing of the FO is already at battle stations. This is their time on the front lines. Plus, once the playoffs are over, the new coach has the whole league available to him for putting together a staff. He'll still have a couple of months to assemble his team and study the draft. The combine is the end of February, FA period starts in March, and the draft is in April. Relax. There are a bunch of coaches right now coaching playoff teams that it might be a good idea to invite in for an interview.

BroncoInferno
01-12-2011, 07:59 AM
Yeah, like Montrose said, I think Elway will take his time with the hire since Cleveland seems locked in on Pat Shurmur and Oakland is expected to go with Hue Jackson, neither of whom are candidates with us.

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 08:00 AM
I don't see why we even need to worry about it until after the SB. What's a coach going to do? Rearrange his office? There aren't any players around to coach. I'm sure the scouting wing of the FO is already at battle stations. This is their time on the front lines. Plus, once the playoffs are over, the new coach has the whole league available to him for putting together a staff. He'll still have a couple of months to assemble his team and study the draft. The combine is the end of February, FA period starts in Marchs, and the draft is in April. Relax. There are a bunch of coaches right now coaching playoff teams that it might be a good idea to invite in for an interview.

He needs to work on a plan to rebuild and present it to Elway and Xanders, including new coaching staff, who of the current stable of players need to be cut and who needs to be retained, which free agents they want to target and by consequence who they need to draft. Obviously the Front office being it's own entity will take some of the pressure off, but other assistants will be hired soon and the longer we wait the fewer that will be available.

baja
01-12-2011, 08:10 AM
He needs to work on a plan to rebuild and present it to Elway and Xanders, including new coaching staff, who of the current stable of players need to be cut and who needs to be retained, which free agents they want to target and by consequence who they need to draft. Obviously the Front office being it's own entity will take some of the pressure off, but other assistants will be hired soon and the longer we wait the fewer that will be available.

I would think much of this would be discussed before the hire. Much of that is first & second interview stuff not post hire stuff.

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 08:18 AM
I would think much of this would be discussed before the hire. Much of that is first & second interview stuff not post hire stuff.

Sure, but each coach is going to bring different staff and therefore different systems, which requires different personnel. It's probably the biggest reason Elway really wants someone in here sooner than later.

baja
01-12-2011, 08:21 AM
Sure, but each coach is going to bring different staff and therefore different systems, which requires different personnel. It's probably the biggest reason Elway really wants someone in here sooner than later.


Wouldn't you want to know who your prospective HC hire has in mind for his staff and why before you hire him.

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 08:26 AM
Wouldn't you want to know who your prospective HC hire has in mind for his staff and why before you hire him.

Yes. I never said they weren't asking these guys. Not sure how that matters, either. I mean they can't start bringing them in until the head coach is hired anyway. At the end of the day, nothing can begin until the head coach is in place.

bowtown
01-12-2011, 08:27 AM
Wouldn't you want to know who your prospective HC hire has in mind for his staff and why before you hire him.

Yes, but then you actually have to go out and go through the process of hiring them.

Chris
01-12-2011, 08:28 AM
1. Dirk Koetter
2. Perry Fewell
3. John Fox

baja
01-12-2011, 08:34 AM
Yes. I never said they weren't asking these guys. Not sure how that matters, either. I mean they can't start bringing them in until the head coach is hired anyway. At the end of the day, nothing can begin until the head coach is in place.

Well this turn of the discussion came about when Ro asked what's the hurry in hiring the HC and suggested waiting until the playoffs are over and you said we need to settle on a HC soon because.....

I agree with Ro what's the big rush and your reasons really don't cause that to change that I can tell.

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 08:35 AM
Yes, but then you actually have to go out and go through the process of hiring them.

Another good reason to go for an older, more experienced coach. Those guys have much longer lists of people they've worked for, and with, and who they are comfortable with. They're going to slap together a staff pretty quickly. Hire a young guy with less time in the league and it's either going to take him a long time to put together a staff, or he's going to bring in a bunch of guys he may not be too familiar with, and who are just as unseasoned as he is. It's like film directors. Some of them just seem to end up with a "crew" that they like to work with on every film. The Cohen brothers are a good example.

baja
01-12-2011, 08:36 AM
Yes, but then you actually have to go out and go through the process of hiring them.

Well ya.

As Ro pointed out after the playoffs there will be a full body of candidates to talk to so what's the hurry to hire someone next week?

footstepsfrom#27
01-12-2011, 09:05 AM
As fans, it is easy for us to be satisfied with nothing less than the guy with the glittery resume, but recent NFL history suggests that approach is not necessary. Take a look at Mike McCarthy with Green Bay, for instance. Do you know what his prior job was to being named head coach by Ted Thompson in 2006? Offensive coordinator for the 49ers. Do you know where his 49ers offense ranked in 2005 just before landing that job? Dead last in the NFL. Prior to that one year stint, he'd been the OC for New Orleans under the Haslett regime. He had decent success there, but nothing remarkable. Look at Mike Smith in Atlanta. Who'd even heard of the guy when Dimitiroff hired him in 2008? He had previously been the DC in Jacksonville where he achieved decent success, but, again, nothing that would just jump off the page at you. John Harbaugh was a special teams coach before Newsome hired him in Baltimore. My point? Just because guys like Fewell and Koetter don't have superstar level resumes does not mean they aren't fine coaches who can be successful. To me, the key to success is going to be the how the Elway/Xanders partnership works. If Elway is in over his head, it isn't going to matter who the coach is.
Those guys were unknown commodities, and for every one of them you can use as an example, I can probably find several that failed. However, John Fox is certainly no unknown, and we all know Rick Dennison sucks.

Any list with Dennison on it has to be suspect. Fox is a career re-tread who has hung around long enough to make the playoffs and achieve a little here and there, but does this look like an inspired effort on the part of the Bowlen team to undo the Josh McDaniels regime's mistakes and return this team to glory? Seriously...when you thought about winning more championships, did you picture Rick Dennison doing it? John Fox patrolling the sidelines?

They said they'd be interested in talking to college coaches also...none of that obviously, so why say that? They say alot of things don't they? The whole thing's stupid. It's the keystone cops routine all over again. Coaches withdrawing their name from consideration...search firms hired...twitter and facebook updates...a whole team of people to find the coach?

I almost miss Reeves.

baja
01-12-2011, 09:27 AM
Those guys were unknown commodities, and for every one of them you can use as an example, I can probably find several that failed. However, John Fox is certainly no unknown,<b> and we all know Rick Dennison sucks.</b>

Any list with Dennison on it has to be suspect. Fox is a career re-tread who has hung around long enough to make the playoffs and achieve a little here and there, but does this look like an inspired effort on the part of the Bowlen team to undo the Josh McDaniels regime's mistakes and return this team to glory? Seriously...when you thought about winning more championships, did you picture Rick Dennison doing it? John Fox patrolling the sidelines?

They said they'd be interested in talking to college coaches also...none of that obviously, so why say that? They say alot of things don't they? The whole thing's stupid. It's the keystone cops routine all over again. Coaches withdrawing their name from consideration...search firms hired...twitter and facebook updates...a whole team of people to find the coach?

I almost miss Reeves.

No we don't and neither do you.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 09:28 AM
Those guys were unknown commodities, and for every one of them you can use as an example, I can probably find several that failed. However, John Fox is certainly no unknown, and we all know Rick Dennison sucks.

Any list with Dennison on it has to be suspect. Fox is a career re-tread who has hung around long enough to make the playoffs and achieve a little here and there, but does this look like an inspired effort on the part of the Bowlen team to undo the Josh McDaniels regime's mistakes and return this team to glory? Seriously...when you thought about winning more championships, did you picture Rick Dennison doing it? John Fox patrolling the sidelines?

They said they'd be interested in talking to college coaches also...none of that obviously, so why say that? They say alot of things don't they? The whole thing's stupid. It's the keystone cops routine all over again. Coaches withdrawing their name from consideration...search firms hired...twitter and facebook updates...a whole team of people to find the coach?

I almost miss Reeves.

http://pictureperfectsandiego.com/files/2009/12/disney-chicken-little-sky-falling.jpg

tsiguy96
01-12-2011, 09:36 AM
http://pictureperfectsandiego.com/files/2009/12/disney-chicken-little-sky-falling.jpg

no joke, they havent even hired a coach yet and its still all gloom and doom around here.

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 09:40 AM
Rick Dennison. :thumbsup:

Ray Finkle
01-12-2011, 09:41 AM
Rick Dennison. :thumbsup:

I so want to smack you...:welcome:

BroncoInferno
01-12-2011, 09:42 AM
Those guys were unknown commodities, and for every one of them you can use as an example, I can probably find several that failed. However, John Fox is certainly no unknown, and we all know Rick Dennison sucks.

Bringing in a "known commodity" no more guarantees success than going the coordinator route (see Joe Gibbs' resent stint in Washington). Plus, you've been beating the drum for college guys like Meyer and Schiano who certainly fall into "unknown commodity" category as far as the NFL goes. There are countless examples of great college coaches who bombed at the pro level, so there is certainly a high risk there.

You are basically proving my point, which is that a lot of folks are not going to be happy unless we bring in a guy with a superstar resume. Recent NFL history proves that the low-key hire can work out just fine. Is it a guarantee? Of course not. Neither is bringing in a big name.

The one thing McCarthy, Smith and Harbaugh all have in common is that they work under GMs who have done a great job of surrounding them with talented personnel and assistant coaches. Will the Elway/Xanders partnership be able to create that kind of environment? That's going to be the key to the success or failure of this hire, whether it's a big name or not. Like Ro said, we could hire Vince Lombardi, but if he isn't given the adequate personnel to work with, it isn't going to matter.

cutthemdown
01-12-2011, 09:43 AM
What about Studes?

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 09:49 AM
I so want to smack you...:welcome:

Dennison would be a fine hire. I think most of us can agree that going back to our old offense would be a good thing for this team for several reasons: 1) the PA/boot game fits Tebow's skills well, 2) ZBS run game is proven and is a better fit for our three best OL (I think Harris will be back BTW), 3) some of the red zone struggles we had with our old offense will not be as big of an issue since we have alot of special stuff we do with Tebow in the red zone and he's shown our RZ offense with him in there is much more deadly, regardless of the system.

Defensively, the talent issue is going to be addressed regardless of who is the coach. That's been established, already. It's not like Dennison, or anyone else is going to be running the draft. If Xanders is really our GM (and I dont like that idea), he already knows the D is the big issue, so the FO is going to address that regardless of who the coach is. The only thing relevant to Dennison is the defensive staff he chooses. I don't know how that's going to work out. I don't believe that just because we bring in a former Bronco assistant as HC, it necessarily means he would create a staff on defense of former Bronco defensive coaches, that's not a great line of reasoning. He'll choose whoever he thinks is best. Dennison is a sharp mind, Shanny very highly recommended his intellect and that's an important endorsement so far as actual football coaching goes.

Dedhed
01-12-2011, 09:52 AM
1. Dirk Koetter
2. Perry Fewell
3. John Fox

That's my top list based on the current known candidates as well. Although my list really looks more like this:

1-Dirk Koetter- Like I've said, the more I learn the more I like. Has HC experience and experience with an offense that would suit Tebow well and mesh well with the "Broncos Football" prerequisite set down by Elway and the FO.

I like some of the connections he has with coaches who night turn into coordinators. Not at all worried about him being an "unknown" amongst the casual fan. Most of us have little to know insight into coaches in the league.

I think he would be a great hire for Tebow, and I think that's important to the decision.

2-Perry Fewell- I really liked his demeanor, and the message he put out in his interview. He's qualified for the position, and I like the idea that he isn't a power hungry guy. Seems like he would be a HC who assistants would like to work with, and who players would like to play for.

I have some concern that he would be a great hire for Tebow, but that would depend a lot on the offensive staff he is able to put around him.

Also concerned about moving back to a 4-3, but there's nothing to say he would go that direction for sure.

3-Mike Mularkey- I haven't given up on him as a candidate. I take him at his word that he rescheduled for legitimate reasons, and that he is still interested in the job. I think he would be great for developing Tebow and building a strong ground game combined with a vertical passing attack which plays to Tebow's strengths right now.

A little concerned about what the staff might look like under Mularkey and whether he's going to become bitter about not having much personnel power.

4-John Fox- This is the boring and safe route, which is somewhat appealing after the crash and burn of the McDaniels experiment.

He's basically the polar opposite to Josh. Solid coach with little upside, but might calm the waters a little.

I think he seems a little burnt out and would benefit from a year or two off before taking on a task as large as the one facing the Broncos.

5-Anyone other than Dennison
6-Anyone other than Dennison
7-Anyone other than Dennison
8-Anyone other than Dennison
9-Anyone other than Dennison
10-Anyone other than Dennison
11-Anyone other than Dennison
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432-Rick Dennison

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 09:53 AM
I'll translate what SoCal wrote:

Dennison worked for Shanahan. Shanahan said he's smart so he is. He's also like Shanahan and runs the Shanahan offense. Play-action boot would be great with Tebow and is like Shanahan. Dennison will hire a good defense, just like Shanahan was going to fix the defense if he wasn't fired in one offseason. Shanahan football is great. We can close our eyes and pretend it's Shanahan. Shanahan.

BroncoInferno
01-12-2011, 09:55 AM
Dennison would be a fine hire. I think most of us can agree that going back to our old offense would be a good thing for this team for several reasons: 1) the PA/boot game fits Tebow's skills well

I disagree here. Tebow has questionable accuracy in the short to medium area of the field, and that's a nonstarter in the Shanny/Kubes offense. Tebow's great gift from a passing stand point is the deep ball, which he throw accurately and with great touch. Plus, Dennsion has never designed or called plays even though he's been an OC, so who is going to fill that role? I think a system similar to what Norv Turner runs with the vertical passing game would be a better fit. Koetter prefers that type of scheme, so to me he would be a better fit than Dennison if we are going with an offensive coach. Obivously, he could get create and work in some stuff to take advantage of Tebow's mobility.

Dedhed
01-12-2011, 10:01 AM
I disagree here. Tebow has questionable accuracy in the short to medium area of the field, and that's a nonstarter in the Shanny/Kubes offense. Tebow's great gift from a passing stand point is the deep ball, which he throw accurately and with great touch. Plus, Dennsion has never designed or called plays even though he's been an OC, so who is going to fill that role? I think a system similar to what Norv Turner runs with the vertical passing game would be a better fit. Koetter prefers that type of scheme, so to me he would be a better fit than Dennison if we are going with an offensive coach. Obivously, he could get create and work in some stuff to take advantage of Tebow's mobility.But Dennison has touched Shanahan. That alone makes him a better candidate than anyone else. Gosh, how could you not know that?

montrose
01-12-2011, 10:04 AM
i'll translate what socal wrote:

Dennison worked for shanahan. Shanahan said he's smart so he is. He's also like shanahan and runs the shanahan offense. Play-action boot would be great with tebow and is like shanahan. Dennison will hire a good defense, just like shanahan was going to fix the defense if he wasn't fired in one offseason. Shanahan football is great. We can close our eyes and pretend it's shanahan. Shanahan.

Hilarious!

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 10:04 AM
But Dennison has touched Shanahan. That alone makes him a better candidate than anyone else. Gosh, how could you not know that?

I'm glad you are making arguments in good faith.

HAT
01-12-2011, 10:08 AM
I'll translate what SoCal wrote:

Dennison worked for Shanahan. Shanahan said he's smart so he is. He's also like Shanahan and runs the Shanahan offense. Play-action boot would be great with Tebow and is like Shanahan. Dennison will hire a good defense, just like Shanahan was going to fix the defense if he wasn't fired in one offseason. Shanahan football is great. We can close our eyes and pretend it's Shanahan. Shanahan.

:spit:

mkporter
01-12-2011, 10:12 AM
I'll translate what SoCal wrote:

Dennison worked for Shanahan. Shanahan said he's smart so he is. He's also like Shanahan and runs the Shanahan offense. Play-action boot would be great with Tebow and is like Shanahan. Dennison will hire a good defense, just like Shanahan was going to fix the defense if he wasn't fired in one offseason. Shanahan football is great. We can close our eyes and pretend it's Shanahan. Shanahan.

I'll translate what Kaylore wrote:

Shanahan worked for Shanahan. Shanahan said he's Shanahan so he is. He's also like Shanahan and runs the Shanahan Shanahan. Shanahan Shanahan would be great with Shanahan and is like Shanahan. Shanahan will Shanahan a good Shanahan, just like Shanahan was going to Shanahan the Shanahan if he wasn't Shanahaned in one Shanahan. Shanahan Shanahan is Shanahan. We can Shanahan our Shanahan and Shanahan it's Shanahan. Shanahan.

Ray Finkle
01-12-2011, 10:46 AM
Dennison would be a fine hire. I think most of us can agree that going back to our old offense would be a good thing for this team for several reasons: 1) the PA/boot game fits Tebow's skills well, 2) ZBS run game is proven and is a better fit for our three best OL (I think Harris will be back BTW), 3) some of the red zone struggles we had with our old offense will not be as big of an issue since we have alot of special stuff we do with Tebow in the red zone and he's shown our RZ offense with him in there is much more deadly, regardless of the system.

Defensively, the talent issue is going to be addressed regardless of who is the coach. That's been established, already. It's not like Dennison, or anyone else is going to be running the draft. If Xanders is really our GM (and I dont like that idea), he already knows the D is the big issue, so the FO is going to address that regardless of who the coach is. The only thing relevant to Dennison is the defensive staff he chooses. I don't know how that's going to work out. I don't believe that just because we bring in a former Bronco assistant as HC, it necessarily means he would create a staff on defense of former Bronco defensive coaches, that's not a great line of reasoning. He'll choose whoever he thinks is best. Dennison is a sharp mind, Shanny very highly recommended his intellect and that's an important endorsement so far as actual football coaching goes.

I echo Kay's comments....

this reeks of the Raiders bringing back Art Shell

Get some new blood.

mkporter
01-12-2011, 11:06 AM
i'll translate what kaylore wrote:

Shanahan worked for shanahan. Shanahan said he's shanahan so he is. He's also like shanahan and runs the shanahan shanahan. Shanahan shanahan would be great with shanahan and is like shanahan. Shanahan will shanahan a good shanahan, just like shanahan was going to shanahan the shanahan if he wasn't shanahaned in one shanahan. Shanahan shanahan is shanahan. We can shanahan our shanahan and shanahan it's shanahan. Shanahan.

27879

uplink
01-12-2011, 11:19 AM
27879

you should put the heads of the coaching candidates on these people in the pic

BroncosMT
01-12-2011, 11:23 AM
Did Fox even make it into town today???

baja
01-12-2011, 11:26 AM
Rick Dennison. :thumbsup:

What are your three top reasons for wanting Rico? Just curious.

uplink
01-12-2011, 11:27 AM
Has anybody else noticed no Pat Bowlen in any of the interview videos and why is the Greek there?

he was in Studsville's interview

ayjackson
01-12-2011, 11:28 AM
Did Fox even make it into town today???

Reportedly held up in traffic, though a friend told me they saw him on the links in Palm Springs this morning.

mkporter
01-12-2011, 11:28 AM
you should put the heads of the coaching candidates on these people in the pic

I wanted to, but I only could justify wasting so much time at work. Someone with more free time will have to do it for us.

tsiguy96
01-12-2011, 11:29 AM
greek has been with the broncos for 35 years, thats why hes sitting in on interviews. whos to say he does or doesnt have a final say, i would imagine he doesnt, but he is there, its not a huge deal.

Chris
01-12-2011, 11:30 AM
My brain just got Shanahanned.

NFLBRONCO
01-12-2011, 11:32 AM
Can someone fax this poll to Dove Valley asap so we can see them on video reading it.

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 11:38 AM
What are your three top reasons for wanting Rico? Just curious.

1. Revitalize the stagnant run game and OL with the zone scheme. This is important not just for the run game itself but it would allow us to divert finite resources elsewhere (i.e. defense) rather than doing things like spending top picks on more RB's etc.
2. Boot game/PA pass game that made Plummer look good will be a great fit for Tebow's talents (BTW I don't agree with BI's point that WCO would not be a good fit for Tebow because he can't throw short to intermediate passes, he was a rookie and his accuracy on those types of passes improved tenfold from the preseason where he literally couldn't throw to the right side to the end of the season where he was completing short-mid range passes ( curls to Lloyd etc.).
3. Shanny's recommendation/past comments about Dennison's coaching acumen/intellect. I know people will rag on ths reason, but that's something important. I value his opinion so far as coaching acumen goes because we can all agree that despite what you might think of him as an administrator or talent evaluator, we know he knows coaching and Xs and Os. People will twist that into "you're just trying to go back in time" but that's not it. He's made some really complimentary comments about Dennison's intellect and knowledge and that's absolutely relevant and helpful in an analysis of who the best coach for us might be. This is not as big as the other two reasons, but it does hold some legitimate sway.

schaaf
01-12-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm starting to come around to all three.

I will be happy with either Fox, Dennison, or Koetter.

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 11:44 AM
I'm starting to come around to all three.

I will be happy with either Fox, Dennison, or Koetter.

That's the way to take a stand! :thumbs:

mkporter
01-12-2011, 11:47 AM
I'm starting to come around to all three.

I will be happy with either Fox, Dennison, or Koetter.

You should come around on Fewell and Studesville too. Otherwise someone might accuse you of having an opinion. :poke:

Kaylore
01-12-2011, 11:51 AM
Ha!

schaaf
01-12-2011, 11:53 AM
haha but seriously I for one am pleasantly surprised at the coaches they picked I don't see studes getting it but I would be just fine with him and after watching Fewell he looks and sounds like he could be a good coach too.

I'm glad I'm not making the decision! haha

baja
01-12-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm starting to come around to all three.

I will be happy with either Fox, Dennison, or Koetter.

At the begining of the day I had it;

1. Dennison

2. Koetter

3. Fox

After reading the input today I have adjusted somewhat;

1. Dennison - falling because of points made about the Tebow and the fit to Shanny's O and the likely hood of return to the ZBS which has redzone flaws (somewhat negated by Tebow). There is not indication we will run Shanny's O or return to the ZBS full time but if we did I would maybe chose someone else.

2. Koetter - rising because of what he could do for Tebow and the assistants he may be able to bring in.

3. Fox - unchanged, boring before / boring now

CEH
01-12-2011, 12:06 PM
1. Revitalize the stagnant run game and OL with the zone scheme. This is important not just for the run game itself but it would allow us to divert finite resources elsewhere (i.e. defense) rather than doing things like spending top picks on more RB's etc.
2. Boot game/PA pass game that made Plummer look good will be a great fit for Tebow's talents (BTW I don't agree with BI's point that WCO would not be a good fit for Tebow because he can't throw short to intermediate passes, he was a rookie and his accuracy on those types of passes improved tenfold from the preseason where he literally couldn't throw to the right side to the end of the season where he was completing short-mid range passes ( curls to Lloyd etc.).
3. Shanny's recommendation/past comments about Dennison's coaching acumen/intellect. I know people will rag on ths reason, but that's something important. I value his opinion so far as coaching acumen goes because we can all agree that despite what you might think of him as an administrator or talent evaluator, we know he knows coaching and Xs and Os. People will twist that into "you're just trying to go back in time" but that's not it. He's made some really complimentary comments about Dennison's intellect and knowledge and that's absolutely relevant and helpful in an analysis of who the best coach for us might be. This is not as big as the other two reasons, but it does hold some legitimate sway.

The question with Dennison is how is he going to fix the defense.

If I'm Elway sell me on Rico fixing the defense.
What do you think he is telling Elway and company about how he might do that?

Who would come along?

Dedhed
01-12-2011, 12:17 PM
The question with Dennison is how is he going to fix the defense.

If I'm Elway sell me on Rico fixing the defense.
What do you think he is telling Elway and company about how he might do that?

Who would come along?

Didn't you hear? He's going to look to Romanowski.

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 12:22 PM
The question with Dennison is how is he going to fix the defense.

If I'm Elway sell me on Rico fixing the defense.
What do you think he is telling Elway and company about how he might do that?

Who would come along?

Those are very good questions. Again, I think the issue with the defense is primarily that it requires a serious infusion of talent. That's going to be what the FO will try to rectify in the draft regardless of the coach. Now, there are the sub issues of whether the new HC prefers a 3-4 or 4-3 and who he would bring along. I'd be interested in knowing Dennison's thoughts on these things, but the same questions exist for the other candidates too. For instance, we would have to ask Fewell and Fox about what they think of the 3-4, since they are primarily 4-3 coaches? If they are going to the 4-3, we would have to ask them how do you make sure Dumervil isn't harmed in the transfer? These are questions that even the defensive minded candidates would have to grapple with too, not just Dennison.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 12:24 PM
I'll translate what SoCal wrote:

Dennison worked for Shanahan. Shanahan said he's smart so he is. He's also like Shanahan and runs the Shanahan offense. Play-action boot would be great with Tebow and is like Shanahan. Dennison will hire a good defense, just like Shanahan was going to fix the defense if he wasn't fired in one offseason. Shanahan football is great. We can close our eyes and pretend it's Shanahan. Shanahan.

Shanahan? Shanahan Shanahan. For Shanahan. Shanahan is Shanahan, so when you Shanahan, make sure you Shanahan, or your Shanahan will Shanahan.

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 12:25 PM
Shanahan? Shanahan Shanahan. For Shanahan. Shanahan is Shanahan, so when you Shanahan, make sure you Shanahan, or your Shanahan will Shanahan.

Wow...10 references to Shanahan not a single "anytime". You guys are slipping.

Dedhed
01-12-2011, 12:27 PM
The question with Dennison is how is he going to fix the defense.


I hear he has some good contacts in Houston, and he does have a working relationship with Slowick.

So he's go that going for him, which is nice.

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 12:28 PM
I hear he has some good contacts in Houston, and he does have a working relationship with Slowick.

So he's go that going for him, which is nice.

Personally, I was hoping for Jacob Burney, but Slowik will suffice.


















Kidding....kidding. :)

CEH
01-12-2011, 12:32 PM
Those are very good questions. Again, I think the issue with the defense is primarily that it requires a serious infusion of talent. That's going to be what the FO will try to rectify in the draft regardless of the coach. Now, there are the sub issues of whether the new HC prefers a 3-4 or 4-3 and who he would bring along. I'd be interested in knowing Dennison's thoughts on these things, but the same questions exist for the other candidates too. For instance, we would have to ask Fewell and Fox about what they think of the 3-4, since they are primarily 4-3 coaches? If they are going to the 4-3, we would have to ask them how do you make sure Dumervil isn't harmed in the transfer? These are questions that even the defensive minded candidates would have to grapple with too, not just Dennison.

Of course but if you want Dennison then he will have to sell himself and it sounds like that is who you want.

I will tell you if he has former Broncos outside of maybe Bobby Turner in his stable then I don't want him
I don't want Houston North


What Dennison does is fix our running game with a proven method.

What is appraent is Denver wants 3 things right away . a running game that sets up the pass, develop Tebow and start to build a consistent defense

I'm down with John Fox becuase I think he addresses two of the three right away. Tebow is not really up to the HC anyways. It will be who he can bring along to teach Tebow.


I'm with you I'm not too concerned with the candidates from the lists mentioned because talent wins in this league and only when we start to build a solid core group on the defensive side will we move forward.

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 12:34 PM
Going backwards is always a mistake (IMHO).

Ray Finkle
01-12-2011, 12:38 PM
Personally, I was hoping for Jacob Burney, but Slowik will suffice.


Kidding....kidding. :)


there are some things you do not joke about....

baja
01-12-2011, 12:42 PM
Going backwards is always a mistake (IMHO).

Not if you are on the edge of a cliff

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 12:45 PM
Not if you are on the edge of a cliff

I mean in the sense of trying to reclaim lost glory. You can't bring the "good ole days" back. They're gone. We've got to build something new.

Homer Simpson
01-12-2011, 12:55 PM
The more I'm hearing about Fox the more I like, being back a good D, good running game and let Tebow and our excellent WR core do the rest? Sold!

Inkana7
01-12-2011, 12:55 PM
Count me in the Fox camp.

CEH
01-12-2011, 01:00 PM
Not sure if Wednsday is all you can eat day at Dove Valley but Pat decided to particiapte in the John Fox interview


http://twitpic.com/3pg7co

Snce when is maroon pants in

Inkana7
01-12-2011, 01:01 PM
Not sure if Wednsday is all you can eat day at Dove Valley but Pat decided to particiapte in the John Fox interview


http://twitpic.com/3pg7co

According to Gary Miller, he's been in all of them, just not pictured.

ColoradoDarin
01-12-2011, 01:01 PM
Not sure if Wednsday is all you can drink day at Dove Valley but Pat decided to particiapte in the John Fox interview


http://twitpic.com/3pg7co

fify...

CEH
01-12-2011, 01:03 PM
fify...

I just couldn't go there with all of the rumors about Pat's medical state though that was my first response

BroncosMT
01-12-2011, 01:04 PM
shouldn't we have heard anything about Fox coming by now?

ColoradoDarin
01-12-2011, 01:06 PM
I just couldn't go there with all of the rumors about Pat's medical state though that was my first response

I guess I didn't think of that because I don't think there is any truth to those rumors.

HAT
01-12-2011, 01:07 PM
Shanahan? Shanahan Shanahan. For Shanahan. Shanahan is Shanahan, so when you Shanahan, make sure you Shanahan, or your Shanahan will Shanahan.

Here on Shanahan we refer to all people places and things as Shanahan.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Marklar_greeting.gif

Homer Simpson
01-12-2011, 01:09 PM
I just couldn't go there with all of the rumors about Pat's medical state though that was my first response

Vic Lombardi made it clear he's been in every one, just not pictured sometimes.

mkporter
01-12-2011, 01:19 PM
shouldn't we have heard anything about Fox coming by now?
27883
Internet much?

Ray Finkle
01-12-2011, 01:22 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/224144952.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1294868106&Signature=nL57iT93jsZWFkHB8LgRDHaphG8%3D



25 years of avoiding the Joker tag go out the window....

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 01:29 PM
I want Fox. I like the white hair.

BroncosMT
01-12-2011, 01:29 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/224144952.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1294868106&Signature=nL57iT93jsZWFkHB8LgRDHaphG8%3D

Internet much?

I was expecting poeple to rant and rave about it here....sorry...should have used my multiple resources...thanks for the tip!

mkporter
01-12-2011, 01:30 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/224144952.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1294868106&Signature=nL57iT93jsZWFkHB8LgRDHaphG8%3D


Is it possible, that in addition to maroon pants, the Duke is also not wearing socks?

PRBronco
01-12-2011, 01:31 PM
25 years of avoiding the Joker tag go out the window....

ROFL!

Imo having Super Bowl rings and a cheerleader wife makes it ok to wear whatever you want and have it still be cool.

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 01:31 PM
Isn't that Pat at the end of the table?

I still say we should slap those Lombardis on the table, just to shake them up a bit.

mkporter
01-12-2011, 01:34 PM
Here on Shanahan we refer to all people places and things as Shanahan.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Marklar_greeting.gif

I heard Mark Marklarkey was going to interview last week, but he canceled.

Inkana7
01-12-2011, 01:35 PM
Elway's such a ****ing hipster.

bendog
01-12-2011, 01:37 PM
Vic Lombardi made it clear he's been in every one, just not pictured sometimes.

but does he know he's there. (-:

Seriously,

<img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/224144952.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1294868106&Signature=nL57iT93jsZWFkHB8LgRDHaphG8%3D">

Elway, "So, what's in the bag, John?"

Fox, "it's my playbook, John."

Elway, "wooooo, are you supposed to have that?"

Fox, "of course Richardson fired me, but it's my playbook, not his."

Ellis, "that seems legally reasonable I suppose ... unless Mr. Bowlen says otherwise, of course."

Bowlen, "What? Am I supposed to say something now?"

Ellis, "No sir, we were just speaking about John's playbook."

Bowlen, "But John's my new executive, he doesn't need a playbook."

Ellis, "My mistake, Sir. I meant John Fox, whom we're interviewing for the head coaching vacancy."

Bowlen, "Oh."

Xanders, "You know, I seem to recall Mike Smith having one of those in Atlanta. I always wondered why he carried it everywhere."

Fox, "Well Brian, a coach's playbook is sort of the sum of all his experience."

Xanders, "I love math."

Elway, "Shanny's was a b****. Everytime I got the damn thing memorized, he's not only add more pages but recollate the damn thing and renumber the pages. He was one sneaky bastard."

Bowlen, "So THAT's where the playbook went! I'll be a God Damned Canadian. That son of a b**** made sure Josh never had a chance. Joe, look into whether "theft" is a reason to stop paying that little bastard."

Ellis, "Yes, Sir. Mr. Bowlen."

Elway, "John, tell me truthfully, are you one sneaky son of a b****?"

.......

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 01:41 PM
but does he know he's there. (-:

Seriously,

<img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/224144952.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1294868106&Signature=nL57iT93jsZWFkHB8LgRDHaphG8%3D">

Elway, "So, what's in the bag, John."

Fox, "it's my playbook, John."

Elway, "wooooo, are you supposed to have that?"

Fox, "of course Richardson fired me, but it's my playbook, not his."

Ellis, "that seems legally reasonable I suppose ... unless Mr. Bowlen says otherwise, of course."

Bowlen, "What? Am I supposed to say something now?"

Ellis, "No sir, we were just speaking about John's playbook."

Bowlen, "But John's my new executive, he doesn't need a playbook."

Ellis, "My mistake, Sir. I meant John Fox, whom we're interviewing for the head coaching vacancy."

Bowlen, "Oh."

Xanders, "You know, I seem to recall Mike Smith having one of those in Atlanta. I always wondered why he carried it everywhere."

Fox, "Well Brian, a coach's playbook is sort of the sum of all his experience."

Xanders, "I love math."

Elway, "Shanny's was a b****. Everytime I got the damn thing memorized, he's not only add more pages but recollate the damn thing and renumber the pages. He was one sneaky bastard."

Bowlen, "So THAT's where the playbook went! I'll be a God Damned Canadian. That son of a b**** made sure Josh never had a chance. Joe, look into whether "theft" is a reason to stop paying that little bastard."

Ellis, "Yes, Sir. Mr. Bowlen."

Elway, "John, tell me truthfully, are you one sneaky son of a b****?"

.......

The scary thing is I can totally see it going this way, especially with Bowlen making clueless comments, Ellis asskissing and Xanders saying he loves math.

rocket88
01-12-2011, 01:59 PM
http://maxdenver.com/blog1/2011/01/12/fox-experience-his-selling-point/

“When I went into the Panthers at 1-15, it was very similar,” Fox said. “We had a second (overall) pick, the rebuild (here) is probably going to require a little more on defense than offense, but I have a blueprint that we executed in Carolina, and I don’t see any reason why it can’t work here.

CEH
01-12-2011, 02:02 PM
http://maxdenver.com/blog1/2011/01/12/fox-experience-his-selling-point/

“When I went into the Panthers at 1-15, it was very similar,” Fox said. “We had a second (overall) pick, the rebuild (here) is probably going to require a little more on defense than offense, but I have a blueprint that we executed in Carolina, and I don’t see any reason why it can’t work here.

Bummer that Julius Pepper is not coming out this year

BroncoSojia
01-12-2011, 02:04 PM
http://maxdenver.com/blog1/2011/01/12/fox-experience-his-selling-point/

“When I went into the Panthers at 1-15, it was very similar,” Fox said. “We had a second (overall) pick, the rebuild (here) is probably going to require a little more on defense than offense, but I have a blueprint that we executed in Carolina, and I don’t see any reason why it can’t work here.

I can dig it

NFLBRONCO
01-12-2011, 02:05 PM
Bummer that Julius Pepper is not coming out this year

No doubt

BroncoSojia
01-12-2011, 02:05 PM
Bummer that Julius Pepper is not coming out this year

Well, a lot of people are comparing Bowers to Peppers....

bendog
01-12-2011, 02:07 PM
Funny thing was that the Saints cut Delhomme and gave big contract to Aaron Brooks. When Delhomme was healthy, the Panthers were a good team.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 02:08 PM
Not sure if Wednsday is all you can eat day at Dove Valley but Pat decided to particiapte in the John Fox interview


http://twitpic.com/3pg7co

Snce when is maroon pants in

Looks like Fox has some sort of binder with him...

Looks closer....

closer still....

OMG! He's returning Jay Cutler's playbook!!

baja
01-12-2011, 02:14 PM
I want Fox. I like the white hair.

He looks just like a guy I used to work with. We called him Google because he thought he knew everything.

rocket88
01-12-2011, 02:14 PM
New video on Fox's arrival..

http://dbron.co/3g

Hamrob
01-12-2011, 02:19 PM
I like fox...but, I'm not sure I care to retain McCoy! That would probably be the case...don't you think?

rocket88
01-12-2011, 02:24 PM
I like fox...but, I'm not sure I care to retain McCoy! That would probably be the case...don't you think?

Yeah, you keep reading that McCoy would be the OC, but he wasn't Fox's OC in Carolina, so who's to say what would happen there. McCoys only play calling experience was the final 4 games of this season.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 02:26 PM
Yeah, you keep reading that McCoy would be the OC, but he wasn't Fox's OC in Carolina, so who's to say what would happen there. McCoys only play calling experience was the final 4 games of this season.

And it sounds like KC is pushing hard to get McCoy to call plays for the chiefs.

baja
01-12-2011, 02:29 PM
New video on Fox's arrival..

http://dbron.co/3g

Good one. Fox intimidates Xanders and Elway respects him.

That's what I got out of the vid.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-12-2011, 02:31 PM
Good one. Fox intimidates Xanders and Elway respects him.

That's what I got out of the vid.

I get the vibe that Fox is established enough that Elway doesn't intimidate him. I like the sound of that.

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 02:32 PM
Good one. Fox intimidates Xanders and Elway respects him.

That's what I got out of the vid.

A little girl would intimidate Xanders.

bendog
01-12-2011, 02:34 PM
Fox is a competent NFL coach. Which would be a step up. Fewell's probably got more energy, being younger

baja
01-12-2011, 02:36 PM
A little girl would intimidate Xanders.

The more exposure he gets with this new transparency mandate the more he seems like a little weak weasel. His body language is that of a suck up

Rohirrim
01-12-2011, 02:38 PM
I like the way Big John sits back. "I got two SB rings, MVPs, and HOF. **** it."

NFLBRONCO
01-12-2011, 02:40 PM
a little girl would intimidate xanders.

rofl!

NFLBRONCO
01-12-2011, 02:41 PM
A little girl would intimidate Xanders.


no doubt

BroncosMT
01-12-2011, 02:46 PM
It sounds like they aren't going to wait for Mularkey according the the DP.....sounds like Fox is the last one then decide for second interviews....

rocket88
01-12-2011, 02:47 PM
The more exposure he gets with this new transparency mandate the more he seems like a little weak weasel. His body language is that of a suck up

Legwold has taken a couple of pokes at Xanders in the last few days...



But they hired Elway and retained general manager Brian Xanders, as well as the bulk of the college and pro scouting staffs. Elway has already talked about the need to avoid a "one-man show" of the head coach calling all the shots.

That's what Elway said the team had with McDaniels — though McDaniels would likely argue he made decisions because nobody else would, which is exactly how he has portrayed the situation to others in the league — and has said that's what they want to avoid with the next head coach.

Read more: Q&A: Gruden and Cowher missing from Broncos' wish list for two reasons: power, money - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz1AkMMm0z9
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse



People in the league do have questions about Elway running a football operation over the long haul, without any scouting experience or any previous experience in the front office of an NFL team.

And they have questions about the Broncos leaving the personnel side of the organization in place after firing Josh McDaniels despite the fact few in the league really believe he could have possibly made every decision in the previous two years, as it has been portrayed by the Broncos since his firing.

Read more: Q&A: Elway has clout to attract top coach - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17068147#ixzz1Ard3Bxep
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

NFLBRONCO
01-12-2011, 03:03 PM
If they are true to their word Fox has most HC exp

CEH
01-12-2011, 03:04 PM
I like the way Big John sits back. "I got two SB rings, MVPs, and HOF. **** it."

Would be better if he is wearing his #7 jersey around Dove Valley

Dedhed
01-12-2011, 03:09 PM
Would be better if he is wearing his #7 jersey around Dove Valley
There is probably a picture or two to remind folks in case anyone forgets.

baja
01-12-2011, 03:20 PM
Would be better if he is wearing his #7 jersey around Dove Valley

No that jersey is retired we want John active.

baja
01-12-2011, 03:21 PM
Wonder how Shanny feels now that John has his old job?

NFLBRONCO
01-12-2011, 10:07 PM
CBS4 thought Fox would be front runner but, $$$ demand might be issue.

Boomhauer
01-12-2011, 10:10 PM
Why is Koetter off the list with Fewell still on when there are reports that Fewell is going to stay with the Giants and nothing of the sort on Koetter?

Not sure why Koetter isn't listed either, but Fewell just interviewed with the Browns. Don't know where the rumor he'd stay in NY came from. I'd add Murlarkey could still interview this week, but I would count on it.

Search: The Final Four (+1)

Best Choice - Dirk Koetter
2nd Best - Near tie with Fewell over Dennison
Some Bum - Fox as a 2-4yr interm HC
(+1) - Spot reserved if Mark shows up

baja
01-12-2011, 10:14 PM
CBS4 thought Fox would be front runner but, $$$ demand might be issue.

Bowlen's total lively hood the Denver Broncos are in some real danger of taking a slip into loserland so now is no time to pinch pennies. If they believe Fox is the guy to lead this team out of the dessert than you pay the man.

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 10:19 PM
If they believe Fox is the guy to lead this team out of the dessert than you pay the man.

That's odd....I would have thought John Fox liked strawberries romanoff. Guess not.

http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/photo_20090718_strawberries_romanoff.jpg

Boomhauer
01-12-2011, 10:22 PM
...If they believe Fox is the guy to lead this team out of the desert than you pay the man.

If they believe Fox is 'the guy' than their using the same criteria that got McD, the worst choice possible, hired. If they 'pay the man' than they're just flushing more coin down the drain.

NFLBRONCO
01-12-2011, 10:23 PM
I agree

baja
01-12-2011, 10:26 PM
That's odd....I would have thought John Fox liked strawberries romanoff. Guess not.

http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/photo_20090718_strawberries_romanoff.jpg

Dude, Cutler is your favorite player you have Richard Nixon as your avatar and now you quote me and put up strawberries shot up with red dye #2 how am I supposed to relate to you??? ;D

baja
01-12-2011, 10:29 PM
If they believe Fox is 'the guy' than their using the same criteria that got McD, the worst choice possible, hired. If they 'pay the man' than they're just flushing more coin down the drain.

I realize the only sane thing to do is trust Elway will do the right thing. At best we pretend we know enough to make an informed opinion as to who is the best hire than we act all pissed off if our guess is not chosen.

SoCalBronco
01-12-2011, 10:29 PM
Dude, Cutler is your favorite player you have Richard Nixon as your avatar and now you quote me and put up strawberries shot up with red dye #2 how am I supposed to relate to you??? ;D

Haha....just giving you a tough time for spelling desert with an extra s.

baja
01-12-2011, 10:31 PM
Haha....just giving you a tough time for spelling desert with an extra s.

Hey I'm Mexican we don't need no stinkin spellin.

mkporter
01-12-2011, 10:40 PM
If they believe Fox is 'the guy' than they're using the same criteria that got McD, the worst choice possible, hired.

How so? Fox is like the polar opposite of McD: experienced, from a defensive background and generally boring.

HAT
01-12-2011, 10:43 PM
I realize the only sane thing to do is trust Elway will do the right thing. At best we pretend we know enough to make an informed opinion as to who is the best hire than we act all pissed off if our guess is not chosen.

I won't be pissed off that my 'guess' wasn't chosen....I'll be sad that Denver hired a HC who has is 73-71 as an NFL HC and has never put together B2B winning seasons.

It's uninspiring to say the least.

baja
01-12-2011, 10:44 PM
I won't be pissed off that my 'guess' wasn't chosen....I'll be sad that Denver hired a HC who has is 73-71 as an NFL HC and has never put together B2B winning seasons.

It's uninspiring to say the least.

who do you like

Hulamau
01-12-2011, 10:46 PM
Has anybody else noticed no Pat Bowlen in any of the interview videos and why is the Greek there?

Pat has been there in all of them I think Baja. Saw him in a couple including John Fox today

baja
01-12-2011, 10:47 PM
Pat has been there in all of them I think Baja. Saw him in a couple including John Fox today

Ya I saw him in the Fox one but that was posted after my post you quoted,

HAT
01-12-2011, 10:48 PM
who do you like

McD. :wiggle:

I was on the Williams bandwagon until he ducked out. Of the candidates interviewed....Koetter.

pricejj
01-12-2011, 10:54 PM
I mean in the sense of trying to reclaim lost glory. You can't bring the "good ole days" back. They're gone. We've got to build something new.

Tell that to the Steelers. They found a winning way that works in Pittsburgh and have stuck with it over several decades.

mkporter
01-12-2011, 11:10 PM
Tell that to the Steelers. They found a winning way that works in Pittsburgh and have stuck with it over several decades.

They apparently lost the recipe in the 80's.

pricejj
01-12-2011, 11:13 PM
With a little help from Broncomaniacs, the 3-4 Defense dominated in Denver during the Orange Crush days. It could again. Opposing defenses are left gasping for air in Mile High, when physically dominated all day by an effective rushing attack. Couple that with a lethal aerial assault and the combination can win Superbowls.

I think Elway understands that.

bendog
01-13-2011, 07:17 AM
Tell that to the Steelers. They found a winning way that works in Pittsburgh and have stuck with it over several decades.

irony alert.

BroncoInferno
01-13-2011, 09:03 AM
(BTW I don't agree with BI's point that WCO would not be a good fit for Tebow because he can't throw short to intermediate passes, he was a rookie and his accuracy on those types of passes improved tenfold from the preseason where he literally couldn't throw to the right side to the end of the season where he was completing short-mid range passes ( curls to Lloyd etc.).

Accuracy in the short passing game is not just about completing the pass. It's about about putting the ball in just the right spot so that the receiver can get the ball in stride and maximize YAC opportunities. If the ball is just a little off (e.g. put over the wrong shoulder, not quite on time thus requiring the receiver to slow down, etc), then the offense is not operating at the optimum level. This is where I see Tebow struggle going back to college. Can he "learn" that skill? Maybe. Steve Young claims that accuracy is not something that can be taught, that it's an innate skill.

All that said, Tebow DOES have impressive downfield accuracy and touch. That's why I think a Norv Turner type of offense (modified, of course, to take advantage of Tebow's skill set as a runner/scrambler) would be the best fit. Koetter runs that style of offense, so if we are going to go with an offensive coach, he would be the best fit.

Also, you didn't answer this earlier. Dennison has never designed the offense or called the plays himself. So, who does he bring in to design and coordinate the Shanny offense? All of the proven guys who he has worked with are unavailable (Kubiak, Shanny, Kyle Shanahan, Heimerdinger has cancer).

Kaylore
01-13-2011, 09:17 AM
Tell that to the Steelers. They found a winning way that works in Pittsburgh and have stuck with it over several decades.

It's not by trying to re-create teams from the 70's and hiring a bunch of Chuck Noll's coordinators, or hiring Terry Bradshaw as an executive.

They focus on running the ball, defense and drafting well. That's a timeless strategy. However they stat current with their concepts and draft new, young coaches.

TonyR
01-13-2011, 09:20 AM
I'm shocked that nobody has linked Legwold's piece on the money factor. Or did I just miss it?

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17079090

bendog
01-13-2011, 09:23 AM
Accuracy in the short passing game is not just about completing the pass. It's about about putting the ball in just the right spot so that the receiver can get the ball in stride and maximize YAC opportunities. If the ball is just a little off (e.g. put over the wrong shoulder, not quite on time thus requiring the receiver to slow down, etc), then the offense is not operating at the optimum level. This is where I see Tebow struggle going back to college. Can he "learn" that skill? Maybe. Steve Young claims that accuracy is not something that can be taught, that it's an innate skill.

All that said, Tebow DOES have impressive downfield accuracy and touch. That's why I think a Norv Turner type of offense (modified, of course, to take advantage of Tebow's skill set as a runner/scrambler) would be the best fit. Koetter runs that style of offense, so if we are going to go with an offensive coach, he would be the best fit.

Also, you didn't answer this earlier. Dennison has never designed the offense or called the plays himself. So, who does he bring in to design and coordinate the Shanny offense? All of the proven guys who he has worked with are unavailable (Kubiak, Shanny, Kyle Shanahan).

good points, though I'm sure Den can't have Kyle for the asking, but I really don't want him. Back when Delhomme was healthy, Fox wasn't adverse to the downfield throws, though he's always been run run run....

bronco militia
01-13-2011, 09:27 AM
I'm shocked that nobody has linked Legwold's piece on the money factor. Or did I just miss it?

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17079090

save yourself some time and read the last paragraph

It's difficult to know whether money will determine the team's choice. So many other factors are at work, including a corporate head hunter sitting in on the interviews. But many of the Broncos' peers in the NFL believe money will have a lot to say about who gets hired.



Read more: Analysis: Broncos' choice for head coach may be a matter of money - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17079090#ixzz1AwB4i9Wn
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bendog
01-13-2011, 09:32 AM
I'm still surprised that Fassel isn't in the mix. I'd guess Fewell is the next cheapest option, but maybe Koetter.

TonyR
01-13-2011, 09:35 AM
save yourself some time and read the last paragraph

You do have to consider the financial aspect. Every candidate is inexpensive except for Fox. We can hope it won't come down to money but this is a business and dollars will enter the conversation when the Broncos are weighing the candidates against each other.

baja
01-13-2011, 09:44 AM
Accuracy in the short passing game is not just about completing the pass. It's about about putting the ball in just the right spot so that the receiver can get the ball in stride and maximize YAC opportunities. If the ball is just a little off (e.g. put over the wrong shoulder, not quite on time thus requiring the receiver to slow down, etc), then the offense is not operating at the optimum level. This is where I see Tebow struggle going back to college. Can he "learn" that skill? Maybe. Steve Young claims that accuracy is not something that can be taught, that it's an innate skill.

All that said, Tebow DOES have impressive downfield accuracy and touch. That's why I think a Norv Turner type of offense (modified, of course, to take advantage of Tebow's skill set as a runner/scrambler) would be the best fit. Koetter runs that style of offense, so if we are going to go with an offensive coach, he would be the best fit.

Also, you didn't answer this earlier. Dennison has never designed the offense or called the plays himself. So, who does he bring in to design and coordinate the Shanny offense? All of the proven guys who he has worked with are unavailable (Kubiak, Shanny, Kyle Shanahan, Heimerdinger has cancer).

If Dennison were as blatantly inadequate as your post indicates why would he even be interviewed (twice).

bendog
01-13-2011, 09:45 AM
They could give Fox a three year contract with a backloaded 10 million in th final year. That would give him the seurity of being nearly unfireable and give Bowlen a chance to get Shanny and "josh" off the books.

bendog
01-13-2011, 09:47 AM
Inferno,

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coaches/greg-knapp/f36195cc-3913-4f8e-bbd0-e072ece99f95

BroncoInferno
01-13-2011, 09:52 AM
If Dennison were as blatantly inadequate as your post indicates why would he even be interviewed (twice).

Where did I say Dennison was inadequate? That post was primarily about Tebow and about what sort of offense he best fits. We can safely assume that Dennison would bring along the Shanny offense, and I don't think that is an ideal fit for Tebow. If you are referring to the comments in the final paragraph, I'm only stating a fact. Dennison has never been given the responsibility to design an offense and call the plays, so I'm just wondering who he would bring in to cover that role. There aren't many limbs on the Shanny tree as far as that goes.

2KBack
01-13-2011, 10:00 AM
If Dennison were as blatantly inadequate as your post indicates why would he even be interviewed (twice).

Dennison may or may not be inadequate, him being interviewed twice by his buddies isn't the best indication of either in my opinion.

bendog
01-13-2011, 10:09 AM
Dennison may or may not be inadequate, him being interviewed twice by his buddies isn't the best indication of either in my opinion.

It may be more an indication of Dove Valley kicking themselves for not hiring the guy with the best interview the LAST time.

But I don't think Tebow is really suited to the shanahan offense.

baja
01-13-2011, 10:12 AM
Where did I say Dennison was inadequate? That post was primarily about Tebow and about what sort of offense he best fits. We can safely assume that Dennison would bring along the Shanny offense, and I don't think that is an ideal fit for Tebow. If you are referring to the comments in the final paragraph, I'm only stating a fact. Dennison has never been given the responsibility to design an offense and call the plays, so I'm just wondering who he would bring in to cover that role. There aren't many limbs on the Shanny tree as far as that goes.

Not meaning to single out your post. It seems to be vogue here to state Dennison is not qualified, or more to the point horribly under qualified. My point is unless the brain trust at Dove Valley is completely broken it would seem Dennison must be better qualified than people here are claiming just to get an interview and finish in the top three.

The 9 year body of work of Fox shows he is average

Koetter's track record is pretty mundane

Dennison is (to us) basically an unknown.

A case can be made that Dennison has the most potential to succeed of the three.

baja
01-13-2011, 10:15 AM
Dennison may or may not be inadequate, him being interviewed twice by his buddies isn't the best indication of either in my opinion.

Do you really think they would go to the expense and time to interview Dennison just because they are friends?

2KBack
01-13-2011, 10:23 AM
Do you really think they would go to the expense and time to interview Dennison just because they are friends?

Sure I do...if it weren't for his Bronco ties I don't think he even gets a sniff.

baja
01-13-2011, 10:31 AM
Sure I do...if it weren't for his Bronco ties I don't think he even gets a sniff.

Sure the ties have value but at this level there has to be merit too.

Turner was a Bronco for a long time and he was wildly successful with running backs if it's about good old boys that were Broncos why not bring him in?

2KBack
01-13-2011, 10:44 AM
Sure the ties have value but at this level there has to be merit too.

Turner was a Bronco for a long time and he was wildly successful with running backs if it's about good old boys that were Broncos why not bring him in?

Don't have an answer to that question, just like I don't know if Dennison would be any good (though he is by far my least favorite candidate). I do know that he has done absolutely nothing of note in this league or any other as a coach. Which is why I find it funny that one would argue that since there is no evidence of him being good or bad, then he is probably the best choice. There are legitimate reasons to discuss the other coaches...the only argument being made for Dennison that has been made is "zone blocking...hooray."

Inkana7
01-13-2011, 11:08 AM
If they don't hire Fox of Fewell they're making a gigantic mistake.

TonyR
01-13-2011, 12:28 PM
Sure I do...if it weren't for his Bronco ties I don't think he even gets a sniff.

I agree. Has he ever had an interview other than with Denver and Houston (via Kubiak)? Anybody know?