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Boss Man
01-10-2011, 05:16 PM
I'll just leave this here for those of you who want to apply after fairley dominates the line of scrimmage tonight

Popps
01-10-2011, 05:36 PM
Does anyone NOT think he's a dominant player? He's projected #2, right?

Not sure I get the premise of the thread.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 05:40 PM
I'd be happy with that, but I'd prefer Peterson.

HILife
01-10-2011, 05:41 PM
Well, I'll be watching the game, so we'll see. I missed the LSU game, but heard Peterson didn't do so well.

521 1N5
01-10-2011, 05:43 PM
I'm submitting it...

Wes Mantooth
01-10-2011, 05:44 PM
Paea is a better choice.

OBF1
01-10-2011, 05:46 PM
Does anyone NOT think he's a dominant player? He's projected #2, right?

Not sure I get the premise of the thread.

Another kid using moms computer, wanting to be the one that "Told you so"

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 05:53 PM
Fairley has been 2 gapping early.

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 06:03 PM
So far a QB hurry that led to an INT and a tackle for loss.

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:04 PM
So far a QB hurry that led to an INT and a tackle for loss.

That QB hurry was more the Oline playing like crap. They didn't even touch Fairley. It was like they forgot he was in the game.

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 06:06 PM
That QB hurry was more the Oline playing like crap. They didn't even touch Fairley. It was like they forgot he was in the game.

It looked like he was supposed to let him go and Fairley gained ground on him in a hurry. Either that, or the guard thought the center had him.

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:08 PM
It looked like he was supposed to let him go and Fairley gained ground on him in a hurry. Either that, or the guard thought the center had him.

That sounds more about right. It looked like an f'up to me.

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 06:09 PM
That sounds more about right. It looked like an f'up to me.

Which is kind of weird, considering Fairley is routinely double-teamed.

schaaf
01-10-2011, 06:10 PM
I don't think he has been very impressive so far.

bpc
01-10-2011, 06:12 PM
I think it's going to be a tough game for the DL to have a huge impact because of the pace at which it will be played.

Still Fairley has had a few big plays, one pressure that led to an INT.

I like Fairley. If we go with the 4-3 the next go around, i would love to see us somehow find a way to get Fairley and Adrian Clayborn.

HBK
01-10-2011, 06:13 PM
I don't think he has been very impressive so far.

I know I don't post much, but Fairley has been struggling at times even against 1 on 1 blocks...

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:16 PM
I don't think he has been very impressive so far.

agreed

schaaf
01-10-2011, 06:17 PM
I take my previous statement back

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:17 PM
Which is kind of weird, considering Fairley is routinely double-teamed.

wtf just happened? That's twice the Oline didn't block him!

BroncoDoug
01-10-2011, 06:17 PM
Nice tackle there...

Garcia Bronco
01-10-2011, 06:18 PM
he just savee his team 4 points

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 06:18 PM
Ha, he seems to crank it up when his back is to the goal line. Against Alabama he made a play at the end of the half when Alabama was about to score that was the turning point of the game that involved a sack, strip, and fumble recovery.

bpc
01-10-2011, 06:18 PM
wtf just happened? That's twice the Oline didn't block him!

They're running a spread option attack. You're going to see unblocked players all night. They are counting on the defense not being disciplined and leaving their gap assignment.

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:18 PM
I take my previous statement back

Don't take it back. Only time you see Fairley is when the Oline decides they don't want to block him. Watch Fairley when the Oline is blocking him. The guy is stopped cold. It's not even a double team.

Doggcow
01-10-2011, 06:19 PM
I'd be happy with that, but I'd prefer Peterson.

This

bpc
01-10-2011, 06:19 PM
I know I don't post much, but Fairley has been struggling at times even against 1 on 1 blocks...

I don't agree.

Fairley reminds me of Trevor Pryce. He never looks like he's playing that hard and then he explodes on you blowing you up for TFL's and sacks.

He's a damn good player.

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 06:20 PM
Don't take it back. Only time you see Fairley is when the Oline decides they don't want to block him. Watch Fairley when the Oline is blocking him. The guy is stopped cold. It's not even a double team.

Its not that. He's been two gapping a lot reading the play.

GoBroncos84
01-10-2011, 06:20 PM
He has made 2 really big plays so far, one that led to an INT and one that held Oregon to a field goal. But both plays occurred because he was completely unblocked, he didn't shed or overpower to make the plays. So he has certainly had a big impact, just hasn't shown any "dominance" as of yet. I look forward to seeing how he plays the rest of the game

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:20 PM
They're running a spread option attack. You're going to see unblocked players all night. They are counting on the defense not being disciplined and leaving their gap assignment.

Ok, if that's what it is then he's doing a great job of holding assignment.

Boss Man
01-10-2011, 06:21 PM
Another kid using moms computer, wanting to be the one that "Told you so"

Or I'm a man who knows my football and this 70% of this bored is out of there ***ing mind when they think taking Peterson will solve the defensive woes when we've been lacking up front for the last 10 years. And you are most likely on of those people

schaaf
01-10-2011, 06:24 PM
Don't take it back. Only time you see Fairley is when the Oline decides they don't want to block him. Watch Fairley when the Oline is blocking him. The guy is stopped cold. It's not even a double team.

true, i think right now his stats are a little misleading, when they block him he doesn't seem to get much pressure at all and has gone the opposite way several times

Ziggy
01-10-2011, 06:27 PM
Fairley has a tackle for a loss, a sack, and a pressure leading to an interception. He's been a huge factor in this game.

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:28 PM
Its not that. He's been two gapping a lot reading the play.

I will start looking at it from a different view point and see what comes up. I've been thinking one gap the whole time.

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:34 PM
Fairley has a tackle for a loss, a sack, and a pressure leading to an interception. He's been a huge factor in this game.

He was unblocked on those plays. Good job making a play, but I can do that if I'm not blocked. Still plenty of game left and I plan on watching all of it. So we'll see.

BroncoDoug
01-10-2011, 06:36 PM
I cannot stand these socks oregon is wearing! It looks like a flag is thrown on everyplay

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 06:38 PM
He was unblocked on those plays. Good job making a play, but I can do that if I'm not blocked. Still plenty of game left and I plan on watching all of it. So we'll see.

No you couldnt. The QB and RB for Oregon can both run the ball and twice Fairley has smothered the QB so quickly that he's hasnt allowed a juke or any kind of maneuvering.

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:41 PM
No you couldnt. The QB and RB for Oregon can both run the ball and twice Fairley has smothered the QB so quickly that he's hasnt allowed a juke or any kind of maneuvering.

Pretty sure I could've. Ran track and played basketball, I would crash Fairley in the 40.....Well, in high school and college. I might have gotten the sack on that first unblock.

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 06:43 PM
Pretty sure I could've. Ran track and played basketball. I might have gotten the sack on that first unblock.

I ran track too and played football. That has nothing to do with being able to tackle.

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:44 PM
I ran track too and played football. That has nothing to do with being able to tackle.

I have faith in my abilities. If I can't believe in myself, who will?

BroncoDoug
01-10-2011, 06:46 PM
The Omane, where you too can play Division I football!

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:47 PM
The Omane, where you too can play Division I football!

lol, GO OMANE!!!

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 06:50 PM
First play I saw he was pushed 6 yards backwards.

BroncoDoug
01-10-2011, 06:55 PM
number 93 Blanc or whatever looks pretty dang good

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:55 PM
Ok, I was impressed with Fairley's play on the safety. He didn't get the tackle, but he got good penetration and was disruptive.

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 06:55 PM
that safety was partially due to fairley as well, collapsed the line to the ball carrier side.

HILife
01-10-2011, 06:56 PM
that safety was partially due to fairley as well, collapsed the line to the ball carrier side.

agreed, good play by Fairley.

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 06:58 PM
Ok, I was impressed with Fairley's play on the safety. He didn't get the tackle, but he got good penetration and was disruptive.
He looked like the only DL who didn't penetrate to me.

cabronco
01-10-2011, 06:59 PM
First play I saw he was pushed 6 yards backwards.

That was his assignment.. ;)

DivineBronco
01-10-2011, 07:48 PM
baaaaaad boy nick

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 07:48 PM
yes.... that was dirty

bombay
01-10-2011, 07:49 PM
Dirty player. Trade down.

DivineBronco
01-10-2011, 07:50 PM
Dirty player. Trade down.

but in all fairness the two positions I like a player to be dirty are Guard and DT.....so maybe this moves him up...hehe

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 07:50 PM
Bad boy, Nick!

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 07:50 PM
yes.... that was awesome, nice sack, blew by his guy

RhymesayersDU
01-10-2011, 07:51 PM
Not a huge fan of dirty play, but we could use some nasty. Also liked the sack.

BroncoDoug
01-10-2011, 07:51 PM
Nice Sack1

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 07:55 PM
He's a sick sick player, but I worry about the dirty plays. You can play tough without the nonsense.

HILife
01-10-2011, 07:56 PM
So far I've been very unimpressed with his play, but after he got the flag it's like a whole new person. Looks like he's abusing the Oline on a few plays.

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 07:58 PM
cam newton looks terrible this game so far, has a few flashes here and there, but inconsistent passing and just ok decision making.

HBK
01-10-2011, 08:00 PM
I agree ever since the flag he has been pumped and playing really well.

Still would not like him in the top 5. Not sure I want a dirty player who is inconsistent.

bap454
01-10-2011, 08:01 PM
Dirty, nasty, passionate..... whatever you want to call it, it is something we lacked. The guy flat out makes a difference! Would prefer to trade down a bit and take Dareus or Heyward. However if we stay put... Fairley then Peterson.

GoBroncos84
01-10-2011, 08:01 PM
Maybe after that penalty the Raiders will offer us their 1st and 2nd this year and a 1st next year to move up and take him. If he runs a 4.8 40 they might offer their entire draft...


I like the idea of adding a player on defense that plays "nasty" and has a mean streak, but does so cleanly. Once the whistle has blown the play is over, don't take cheap shots. I still like the guy, he just needs to cut that out.

BroncoLifer
01-10-2011, 08:01 PM
This seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that Jarvis Moss once looked unstoppable in a National Championship game. Then he got to the NFL and was very stoppable. Don't put too much on any one game.

GoBroncos84
01-10-2011, 08:02 PM
cam newton looks terrible this game so far, has a few flashes here and there, but inconsistent passing and just ok decision making.

which is unfortunate. I wanted to see Newton light it up, move himself up the draft board. Have Carolina take him #1 so we have our choice of defensive players.

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 08:05 PM
This seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that Jarvis Moss once looked unstoppable in a National Championship game. Then he got to the NFL and was very stoppable. Don't put too much on any one game.

Moss won the Lombardi Trophy?

LongDongJohnson
01-10-2011, 08:06 PM
Maybe after that penalty the Raiders will offer us their 1st and 2nd this year and a 1st next year to move up and take him. If he runs a 4.8 40 they might offer their entire draft...


I like the idea of adding a player on defense that plays "nasty" and has a mean streak, but does so cleanly. Once the whistle has blown the play is over, don't take cheap shots. I still like the guy, he just needs to cut that out.

raiders dont have a first

KipCorrington25
01-10-2011, 08:07 PM
This seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that Jarvis Moss once looked unstoppable in a National Championship game. Then he got to the NFL and was very stoppable. Don't put too much on any one game.

Hilarious!I was thinking the exact same thing but at least this guy was ranked high prior.

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 08:07 PM
Fairley with TD saving effort tackle

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:08 PM
Where do I sign up?

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 08:08 PM
Fairley 2 gaps a stop on 3rd and short and then stuffs a 4th and goal with penetration.

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 08:08 PM
and penetration/line disruption to make defensive stand.... guy is playing lights out now

enjolras
01-10-2011, 08:08 PM
but in all fairness the two positions I like a player to be dirty are Guard and DT.....so maybe this moves him up...hehe

No joke. Would you pass on James Harrison?

BroncoDoug
01-10-2011, 08:08 PM
Two good plays in a row

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:09 PM
This dude is single handedly winning this game.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:10 PM
Not a huge fan of dirty play, but we could use some nasty. Also liked the sack.

So he doesn't shuck and jive like you would prefer?

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:10 PM
He's certainly a scumball. Good player, but if there's anything you can count on from a scumbag it's that they're always going to try to cut corners and get something for nothing.

Is that really what we want to invest a high first round pick on?

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:11 PM
This dude is single handedly winning this game.

Rhetoric alert!

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 08:11 PM
I'm on board now, resign Champ, cross your fingers that Cox doesnt end up in prison and get this beast to give us a D-line for once. This game plus what he did against Alabama and in other games the last two years gives him the edge in my book, he is the most dominant Auburn player this game.

Broncojef
01-10-2011, 08:11 PM
and penetration/line disruption to make defensive stand.... guy is playing lights out now

Yep, big nasty playmaker...sign me up.

Bronco Yoda
01-10-2011, 08:11 PM
I'm Fairley certain he's going to be a good player. :)

BroncoDoug
01-10-2011, 08:11 PM
This dude is single handedly winning this game.

I don't know if I would go that far, it is defiantly doing his part though

BroncoLifer
01-10-2011, 08:11 PM
Moss won the Lombardi Trophy?

So you're not much of a BCS fan?

wolf754life
01-10-2011, 08:12 PM
waaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaa, i don't like his stats, i'm a fanboy........i want lots of stats....

meanwhile the guy just eats blocks and stops the run...

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:12 PM
Rhetoric alert!

This goes way back to the realization that Brandon Marshall might be an idiot days.

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:12 PM
I don't know what all you Peterson guzzlers are watching tonight.

Fairley has single handedly dominated this game!!!

Don't worry though...Carolina will probably take him with the #1 pick!

HILife
01-10-2011, 08:12 PM
Fairley has been NASTY after he got the flag. WTH was this in the first half?

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 08:13 PM
I don't know if I would go that far, it is defiantly doing his part though

He saved 4 points on the first drive and 7 points on this last drive. And then he also played a significant part in that safety. Thats 13 points in Auburns favor that he has had a major part in.

~Crash~
01-10-2011, 08:14 PM
Dirty, nasty, passionate..... whatever you want to call it, it is something we lacked. The guy flat out makes a difference! Would prefer to trade down a bit and take Dareus or Heyward. However if we stay put... Fairley then Peterson.

You would think we play in pink with the pussies on this board. I agree this team needs nasty

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:15 PM
Fairley has single handedly dominated this game!!!


Double rhetoric alert!

bombay
01-10-2011, 08:15 PM
Plays hard when he feels like it.

GoBroncos84
01-10-2011, 08:15 PM
raiders dont have a first

You're right. That kills my joke. Nothing to see here...

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:16 PM
This goes way back to the realization that Brandon Marshall might be an idiot days.

What does? Your rhetoric?

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:17 PM
Plays hard when he feels like it.

Exactly. Will he ever feel like it after he signs a multi-million dollar deal?

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 08:18 PM
Plays hard when he feels like it.

Peterson did this the last bowl game he played in...

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:18 PM
What does? Your rhetoric?

RacebaiterDU suggested that anyone who didn't approve of Brandon's behavior did so because he "didn't shuck and jive" the way we wanted. There is a search function if you don't believe me.

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:20 PM
In other news, is anyone even remotely impressed with Cam Newton?

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:20 PM
Did Peterson even play in LSU's bowl game? If he did...he was "Invisable"!

Cross your fingers that he doesn't commit! Wasted pick written all over him!

bap454
01-10-2011, 08:21 PM
He did...like forever ago.

~Crash~
01-10-2011, 08:22 PM
Did Peterson even play in LSU's bowl game? If he did...he was "Invisable"!

Cross your fingers that he doesn't commit! Wasted pick written all over him!

he did today.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 08:22 PM
Or I'm a man who knows my football and this 70% of this bored is out of there ***ing mind when they think taking Peterson will solve the defensive woes when we've been lacking up front for the last 10 years. And you are most likely on of those people
Nice straw man. I'm pretty sure nobody thinks any one player we might take is going to solve the problem on defense. Fairley won't either. But Peterson has the ability to be a great playmaker, a game changer like Sanders. He's the kind of player you can build a defense around at the next level, a guy that forces OC's to stay up late at night thinking about how to game plan him. Having said that, the criticism of Fairley I've seen isn't justified. I've seen him eat his man alive on several occasions tonight and he's made plays all over the field, blocked or not. It's a tough call, but if Peterson is gone, which he probably is...Fairley would be a nice prize anyway. I just hope we don't get cute and trade the pick. We need impact players, playmakers, difference makers...not more bodies who are pretty good players, but studs.

DivineBronco
01-10-2011, 08:22 PM
In other news, is anyone even remotely impressed with Cam Newton?

nope seems like he needs another year.......but can't risk staying and then being ruled that he can't play...........don't see his football life going well after tonight

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:22 PM
1st choice: Trade back in the 1st (pick up additional picks) and take Dareus
2nd choice: Stay at #2 and take Fairley

~Crash~
01-10-2011, 08:22 PM
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/14110/LSU-CB-Patrick-Peterson-declares-for-NFL-draft/Default.aspx

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:23 PM
Did Peterson even play in LSU's bowl game? If he did...he was "Invisable"!

Cross your fingers that he doesn't commit! Wasted pick written all over him!

Because what you want is the name of a CB being called all day?Hilarious!

He already committed, btw.

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:23 PM
he did today.Great.:yayaya:

HILife
01-10-2011, 08:24 PM
Plays hard when he feels like it.

Watching this game, i'm starting to think the same thing. Didn't see much of anything from the guy until he got the flag. Then all of sudden he turns into a monster.

Before the flag the only thing worth noting are theg plays he made when he went unblocked. He also did a nice job moving the Oline on the safety.

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:25 PM
Because what you want is the name of a CB being called all day?Hilarious!

He already committed, btw.True...but, it wasn't his cover skills. Anyone that watched the game would have questioned his gameness. Kid was trying not to get injured, instead of putting it on the line for his team.

I'll take the nasty kid who plays his all to win the game...over, the guy who protects himself for the payday!

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:26 PM
Watching this game, i'm starting to think the same thing. Didn't see much of anything from the guy until he got the flag. Then all of sudden he turns into a monster.

Before the flag the only thing worth noting are theg plays he made when he went unblocked. He also did a nice job moving the Oline on the safety.

He has all the hallmarks to me of a malcontent DT who plays when he feels like it and is a locker room distraction.

cabronco
01-10-2011, 08:26 PM
Wasn't Musberger caught wearing dresses or something awhile back ago, not there's anything wrong with it. I thought Cam Newton's had a solid game, not spectaculor as he's missed a couple long throws that could of been 6.

bap454
01-10-2011, 08:27 PM
The Matthews kid looks good. Hes projected as a mid round prospect. Great instincts but slowww. He would be great to have as a weekly reminder of what we could have had.

BroncoDoug
01-10-2011, 08:27 PM
OMG What a play!

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 08:27 PM
Fairley rocking it again, destroyed the double team against him

Crossing my fingers Carolina takes Bowers instead

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:27 PM
"I wonder how he likes Carolina Blue?"

bombay
01-10-2011, 08:27 PM
Just got away with a blatant facemask.

bap454
01-10-2011, 08:30 PM
Fairley in Carolina blue ...just made me puke in my own mouth.

serious hops
01-10-2011, 08:31 PM
Man, he split that double like it was child's play.

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:31 PM
Peterson:

Randy Rosetta of the Baton Rouge Advocate (http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/113211399.html)reports Patrick Peterson, LSU’s star cornerback and return man is headed to the 2011 NFL Draft. Peterson made his decision official Monday at a press conference.

“I will be entering the 2011 draft,” Peterson said succinctly.

With a potential lockout looming in the NFL, Peterson might not get on the field as quickly as he wants next season. But the draft will go on as scheduled in April, and the 6-foot-1, 222-pound junior is projected as a top-five pick. “I might not ever be in this position again,” Peterson said. “I thought it was a no-brainer to enter the draft now, while I'm still young.”

"All about the $$$" Peterson!

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:31 PM
He has all the hallmarks to me of a malcontent DT who plays when he feels like it and is a locker room distraction.

As evidenced by what?

Rascal
01-10-2011, 08:33 PM
he has the talent, but I question his desire at times and his ability to avoid stupid penalties.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 08:36 PM
1st choice: Trade back in the 1st (pick up additional picks) and take Dareus
2nd choice: Stay at #2 and take Fairley
What probably happens, we trade back, then Dareus gets picked ahead of us, and now we get none of the top three guys and have to settle for all 2nd tier players. No thanks...if we had the kind of nimble front office who had demonstrated the ability to make cagey trade decisions and smart talent evaluation...maybe. Not when we can't trust this FO to not make bad decisions even high in the draft. Give me the sure bet this time...we need playmakers and difference makers, not more "good" players, but a few great ones.

enjolras
01-10-2011, 08:37 PM
"All about the $$$" Peterson!

It's professional football.

Broncojef
01-10-2011, 08:37 PM
Fairley in Carolina blue ...just made me puke in my own mouth.

I wonder what Carolina is looking for now that Luck is out of the running? I sure would love to see a big young nasty guy like Fairley wearing orange next year

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:37 PM
As evidenced by what?

His inconsistent play throughout the year and his penchant for being a retard.

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 08:37 PM
Looking at the Panther forums to see who the fans are rooting for, and it seems like they mostly either want Cam Newton or A.J. Green, some people wanting Fairley or Bowers, but most think the offense is whats wrong with the team.

enjolras
01-10-2011, 08:38 PM
Watching this game, i'm starting to think the same thing. Didn't see much of anything from the guy until he got the flag. Then all of sudden he turns into a monster.

Before the flag the only thing worth noting are theg plays he made when he went unblocked. He also did a nice job moving the Oline on the safety.

Really? He had a monster of a first half. He was all over the place..

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 08:38 PM
Peterson:

Randy Rosetta of the Baton Rouge Advocate (http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/113211399.html)reports Patrick Peterson, LSUs star cornerback and return man is headed to the 2011 NFL Draft. Peterson made his decision official Monday at a press conference.

I will be entering the 2011 draft, Peterson said succinctly.

With a potential lockout looming in the NFL, Peterson might not get on the field as quickly as he wants next season. But the draft will go on as scheduled in April, and the 6-foot-1, 222-pound junior is projected as a top-five pick. I might not ever be in this position again, Peterson said. I thought it was a no-brainer to enter the draft now, while I'm still young.

"All about the $$$" Peterson!
No he's a smart guy. If he went back, he'd be risking injury for no reason. He can't climb any higher than he is already.

DivineBronco
01-10-2011, 08:38 PM
Looking at the Panther forums to see who the fans are rooting for, and it seems like they mostly either want Cam Newton or A.J. Green, some people wanting Fairley or Bowers, but most think the offense is whats wrong with the team.

yeah they have already tried the awesome D-line thing.......didn't work...hopefully that makes them snakebit

oubronco
01-10-2011, 08:39 PM
1st choice: Trade back in the 1st (pick up additional picks) and take Dareus
2nd choice: Stay at #2 and take Fairley

If we run a 4-3 then Fairley if we stay with the 3-4 then Dareus

Rascal
01-10-2011, 08:39 PM
His inconsistent play throughout the year and his penchant for being a retard.

He dominated several games. Do you have evidence of this inconsistent play?

HILife
01-10-2011, 08:41 PM
Really? He had a monster of a first half. He was all over the place..

negative.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:41 PM
His inconsistent play throughout the year and his penchant for being a retard.

By inconsistent play, are you referring to: All American DT, Lombardi Award winner, SEC Defensive Player of the year, or his 10.5 sacks?

HILife
01-10-2011, 08:44 PM
By inconsistent play, are you referring to: All American DT, Lombardi Award winner, SEC Defensive Player of the year, or his 10.5 sacks?

10.5 sacks...that's to low. Nothing less then 20.

Lestat
01-10-2011, 08:45 PM
i'm cool with Peterson,Fairly or Bowers. if we trade down then Dareus as well.

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:45 PM
He dominated several games.
Do you have evidence of this inconsistent play?

Maybe the fact that he played in more than several games?

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 08:45 PM
Did Peterson even play in LSU's bowl game? If he did...he was "Invisable"!

Cross your fingers that he doesn't commit! Wasted pick written all over him!
What a dumb comment. Even if you watched him on every play like i did, most of the time you couldn't see the secondary from the TV view, so you don't really know what he was doing. He's hardly a wasted pick because you don't see him on every play. The nature of a shutdown corner is that ...oh to hell with it.

RhymesayersDU
01-10-2011, 08:45 PM
i'm fairley certain he's going to be a good player. :)

heeeeeyyyooooooooo

cabronco
01-10-2011, 08:46 PM
Fairley didnt even try on that 3rd down...wth

oubronco
01-10-2011, 08:46 PM
Fairley didnt even try on that 3rd down...wth

I seen that too he took the play off

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:48 PM
By inconsistent play, are you referring to: All American DT, Lombardi Award winner, SEC Defensive Player of the year, or his 10.5 sacks?
None of that. It was his inconsistent play.

montrose
01-10-2011, 08:48 PM
After watching Fairley tonight and in recent weeks, and knowing how little the impact of the sport's best DB has had on one of the league's worst defenses over the last 5 years, I am shocked anyone would want a DB over a potentially dominant force up front like this dude.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:50 PM
None of that. It was his inconsistent play.

Cool story bro. I'd love to have such productivity from an inconsistent player on my team.

oubronco
01-10-2011, 08:51 PM
I wouldn't mind Clay as an OLB too

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 08:52 PM
Fairley forcing more throws, drawing comparisons on the air to Suh now

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:53 PM
I seen that too he took the play off

Just took another one. Didn't even engage.

Broncojef
01-10-2011, 08:54 PM
After watching Fairley tonight and in recent weeks, and knowing how little the impact of the sport's best DB has had on one of the league's worst defenses over the last 5 years, I am shocked anyone would want a DB over a potentially dominant force up front like this dude.

No doubt, let's try something new with this draft. A couple young studs up front and a game changing LB is what I want to see. Fairley teamed with that kid Heyward in the second round would be great IMO.

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 08:55 PM
Offsides. Getting lazy when it counts most.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 08:56 PM
Offsides. Getting lazy when it counts most.

Keep f--king that chicken.

oubronco
01-10-2011, 08:56 PM
Offsides. Getting lazy when it counts most.

Think he might be worn out

Homer Simpson
01-10-2011, 08:56 PM
I wouldn't mind Clay as an OLB too

Casey?

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 08:57 PM
I really want to find out which side of the Fairley/Peterson draft choice Dedhed is on? Anyone got an idea?

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:57 PM
After watching Fairley tonight and in recent weeks, and knowing how little the impact of the sport's best DB has had on one of the league's worst defenses over the last 5 years, I am shocked anyone would want a DB over a potentially dominant force up front like this dude.Agreed. I just don't see how anyone would want Peterson over Fairley and/or Dareus or Bowers.

oubronco
01-10-2011, 08:58 PM
Run the same play again

bowtown
01-10-2011, 08:58 PM
I love how dropping back by design is somehow taking a play off.

oubronco
01-10-2011, 08:58 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kid A
01-10-2011, 08:58 PM
19-19. Game on.

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:58 PM
What a game!!!

cabronco
01-10-2011, 08:59 PM
The Jeff mahel guys been clutch all season

Cpntrips
01-10-2011, 08:59 PM
Fairley has looked pretty good in this game.

Oregon's offense is frustrating, it reminds me of McDaniel's offense with the broncos. Lot of BS short plays that they call over and over even though they aren't working well and no luck running.

HILife
01-10-2011, 08:59 PM
I seen that too he took the play off

I saw him take off more then one play on that drive.

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 08:59 PM
I love how dropping back by design is somehow taking a play off.That's what I was thinking. Man, those Peterson Guzzlers can really come up with some crap...

HILife
01-10-2011, 08:59 PM
It's a game people@@@!!!

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 09:00 PM
Keep f--king that chicken.

Did he not jump offsides?

BowlenBall
01-10-2011, 09:00 PM
Has anyone been watching Casey Matthews? How's he look as a LB prospect?

RhymesayersDU
01-10-2011, 09:01 PM
I guess since Luck can't be bashed by the Tebow fans it is time for the Peterson fans to bash Fairly at every chance they get. Awesome.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 09:01 PM
After watching Fairley tonight and in recent weeks, and knowing how little the impact of the sport's best DB has had on one of the league's worst defenses over the last 5 years, I am shocked anyone would want a DB over a potentially dominant force up front like this dude.
Fairley has narrowed the edge I give Peterson in this thing, but do you really think that you determine to not choose any player because you can show that a one guy on a bad defense doesn't make the rest of them good all by himself? This mess is going to take three drafts to fix. People need to remember that. It's not like we're going to fix everything this year. But we should make a big dent in things with this #2 pick so let's not screw it up. Always take elite talent unless the player that's there is in a position that's simply so deep it makes no sense.

oubronco
01-10-2011, 09:01 PM
That's what I was thinking. Man, those Peterson Guzzlers can really come up with some crap...

If your refering to me I am not on the Peterson bandwagon and Fairley just stood there sorry

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 09:02 PM
Has anyone been watching Casey Matthews? How's he look as a LB prospect?

Not as good as Fairley as a defensive lineman prospect.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 09:02 PM
Did he not jump offsides?

Obviously he is a retard.

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 09:03 PM
I love how dropping back by design is somehow taking a play off.

Not a chance that was a designed play. He stood straight up took one step to the right and just bounced there. Didn't drop at all.

BroncoLifer
01-10-2011, 09:04 PM
It's the correct call under the rules but the rule should be changed. If the guy is clearly going down and just happens to land on an opponent instead of the ground, that should count as a tackle.

montrose
01-10-2011, 09:05 PM
Fairley has narrowed the edge I give Peterson in this thing, but do you really think that you determine to not choose any player because you can show that a one guy on a bad defene doesn't make the rest of them good all by himself? This mess is going to take three drafts to fix. People need to remember that. It's not like we're going to fix everything this year. But we should make a big dent in things with this #2 pick so let's not screw it up. Always take elite talent unless the player that's there is in a position that's simply so deep it makes no sense.

I agree that you take the best player, but the mere fact we can argue Fairley is a better DT prospect than Peterson is a CB prospect - and the value of a DT is much greater than CB makes it no contest for me.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 09:05 PM
It's the correct call under the rules but the rule should be changed. If the guy is clearly going down and just happens to land on an opponent instead of the ground, that should count as a tackle.

Squirt for me.

oubronco
01-10-2011, 09:06 PM
I agree that you take the best player, but the mere fact we can argue Fairley is a better DT prospect than Peterson is a CB prospect - and the value of a DT is much greater than CB makes it no contest for me.

Me too

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 09:06 PM
Has anyone been watching Casey Matthews? How's he look as a LB prospect?

He made a great play on the fumble, works hard every play. I don't think he's his brother, but could be a solid player with his work ethic.

oubronco
01-10-2011, 09:07 PM
1/2 yrd line

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 09:07 PM
I guess since Luck can't be bashed by the Tebow fans it is time for the Peterson fans to bash Fairly at every chance they get. Awesome.
I'm not going to bash Fairley...I think he' looks awesome, a man among boys. The dude's been in the backfield all night and this is against that no-huddle offense. People bashing him for taking a play off...these 300 pounders ALL take play now and then off or they'd never finish the game. I'll be excited if we get either of those guys.

cabronco
01-10-2011, 09:12 PM
Plus they had him dropping back in coverage a few times the 1st half. So he got plenty of work.

HILife
01-10-2011, 09:16 PM
After he got the flag I was VERY impressed with his play. Starting to think Fairley MIGHT be a good pick. Still not sure about his attitude or consistence.

peacepipe
01-10-2011, 09:17 PM
dirty player.

Popps
01-10-2011, 09:18 PM
I'm not going to bash Fairley...I think he' looks awesome, a man among boys. The dude's been in the backfield all night and this is against that no-huddle offense. People bashing him for taking a play off...these 300 pounders ALL take play now and then off or they'd never finish the game. I'll be excited if we get either of those guys.

Exactly. Outside of a rare John Randall-type, this is 100% true. It's the nature of a guy carrying 100 lbs of extra fat around with him for an entire game.

I'd be thrilled with Fairley as our pick.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-10-2011, 09:19 PM
I dunno how people can watch that game and criticize Fairley at ALL. He DOMINATED. He should be the MVP of the game. Christ, if guys dont get tackles or sacks on every play, the haters will say he "took plays off" or "isnt good enough"

Bigdawg26
01-10-2011, 09:20 PM
Yeah I really didn't know he was that dominant. I agree with the fact that we need a D-linemen more than a corner. I would take fairley over dareus because of his nasty attitude. We need a D linemen with fiery attitude. Just imagine if we can get Nmandi (instead of Peterson) and fairley in the first round. Talk about adding two impact players.

Taco John
01-10-2011, 09:21 PM
Fairley has narrowed the edge I give Peterson in this thing, but do you really think that you determine to not choose any player because you can show that a one guy on a bad defense doesn't make the rest of them good all by himself? This mess is going to take three drafts to fix. People need to remember that. It's not like we're going to fix everything this year. But we should make a big dent in things with this #2 pick so let's not screw it up. Always take elite talent unless the player that's there is in a position that's simply so deep it makes no sense.


Fairly looked pretty damned elite tonight.

Bigdawg26
01-10-2011, 09:22 PM
I can just see Fairley and Tebow going at it in practice.

Williams
01-10-2011, 09:22 PM
Fully on-board. I just hope he's still there at #2 now.

KevinJames
01-10-2011, 09:22 PM
I think it comes down to this

3-4 Patrick Peterson

4-3 Nick Fairley

Fairley absolutely dominated that game, hes a huge reason why Auburn one by far the biggest reason they won, he took over the game. In my mind hes a can't miss prospect similar to Suh and if we decide we are going to run a 4-3 than he must be the pick.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 09:22 PM
I agree that you take the best player, but the mere fact we can argue Fairley is a better DT prospect than Peterson is a CB prospect - and the value of a DT is much greater than CB makes it no contest for me.
We can argue anything you want. We can argue that Ryan Mallet's big arm makes him a better QB prospect than Luck...but that doesn't make it true. Every scout who watches this guy says Peterson is the best CB to come out in 10 years. He gives you a dimension no other secondary player in the game, college or pro can offer. This is a guy big enough to cover Antonio Gates one-one-one, fast enough to run with any WR and a 220+ pound intimidator whose a vicious hitter and a return guy whose a threat any time he touches the ball to score. He's a huge Champ Bailey. He's to good to pass up.

If we do draft Peterson, considering we're lilkely to possibly get a #2 for Orton, we'd have three #2's and could easily move up for at least one, possibly two impact D-line guys like Paea in the first round. Denver could conceivably come out of this draft with Peterson and two first round D-line players if they decided to move back up into the first round. That #36 pick is so close to the first round it gives us lots of flexibility. There's no need to panic in this draft if we don't get a DT at the #2 spot since it's so deep at the position.

Taco John
01-10-2011, 09:22 PM
It's the correct call under the rules but the rule should be changed. If the guy is clearly going down and just happens to land on an opponent instead of the ground, that should count as a tackle.

I'm not sure how you could change the rule. Bottom line is you've got to tackle that guy.

bowtown
01-10-2011, 09:22 PM
I can just see Fairley and Tebow going at it in practice.

Yep, Tebow already admitted that he isn't afraid of the black hole.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 09:23 PM
Exactly. Outside of a rare John Randall-type, this is 100% true. It's the nature of a guy carrying 100 lbs of extra fat around with him for an entire game.

I'd be thrilled with Fairley as our pick.

Just imagine what an All-American, Lombardi Award winning, SEC Defensive POY, and National Championship most valuable player could be like if he were a consistent and less retarded player.

Williams
01-10-2011, 09:24 PM
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bowtown
01-10-2011, 09:26 PM
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Don't like that. If we draft him, we should trade him for Champ Bailey and a 2nd.

Rohirrim
01-10-2011, 09:26 PM
I would definitely take Fairley over Peterson. Fairley has the capacity to impact every defensive play.

Kaylore
01-10-2011, 09:27 PM
Boy he really toyed with the Oregon line, didn't he?

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 09:28 PM
Fairley
Peterson

Dareus

bowtown
01-10-2011, 09:29 PM
Boy he really toyed with the Oregon line, didn't he?

You have sauce all over your face.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 09:29 PM
Just imagine what an All-American, Lombardi Award winning, SEC Defensive POY, and National Championship most valuable player could be like if he were a consistent and less retarded player.
Five TFL's, a sack, numerous times he was disruptive in the backfield al lnight, key defensive stop on the goal line...he seemed pretty damn consistant to me. I don't think he's retarded either, I think he's a guy who plays with a lot of emotion, and he'll have to learn to control that in the pros but he's obviously a great player.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 09:31 PM
Five TFL's, a sack, numerous times he was disruptive in the backfield al lnight, key defensive stop on the goal line...he seemed pretty damn consistant to me. I don't think he's retarded either, I think he's a guy who plays with a lot of emotion, and he'll have to learn to control that in the pros but he's obviously a great player.

Not sure if serious.

mhgaffney
01-10-2011, 09:32 PM
I can just see Fairley and Tebow going at it in practice.

This.

Fairley and Tebow would be bad chemistry.

A Mr clean on offense -- and Mr dirty on defense.

No. Better to pick a high character player - maybe Dareus...

Hamrob
01-10-2011, 09:32 PM
We can argue anything you want. We can argue that Ryan Mallet's big arm makes him a better QB prospect than Luck...but that doesn't make it true. Every scout who watches this guy says Peterson is the best CB to come out in 10 years. He gives you a dimension no other secondary player in the game, college or pro can offer. This is a guy big enough to cover Antonio Gates one-one-one, fast enough to run with any WR and a 220+ pound intimidator whose a vicious hitter and a return guy whose a threat any time he touches the ball to score. He's a huge Champ Bailey. He's to good to pass up.

If we do draft Peterson, considering we're lilkely to possibly get a #2 for Orton, we'd have three #2's and could easily move up for at least one, possibly two impact D-line guys like Paea in the first round. Denver could conceivably come out of this draft with Peterson and two first round D-line players if they decided to move back up into the first round. That #36 pick is so close to the first round it gives us lots of flexibility. There's no need to panic in this draft if we don't get a DT at the #2 spot since it's so deep at the position.I'll say this. We should all feel very good about the #2 pick. Whether its Fairley, Bowers or Peterson....we are getting one hell of a talent with our pick. Two other guys I like are Dareus and Quinn.

The 3-4 or 4-3 decision will play a large role in how are board gets set up.

If we do go back to the 4-3...I would say this is our board:


Bowers
Fairely
Peterson
Dareus
Quinn


If we stay with the 3-4, then:


Peterson
Dareus
?
?
?

BroncoSojia
01-10-2011, 09:34 PM
Fairley is going #1 overall. No way the Panthers pass on him.

mhgaffney
01-10-2011, 09:34 PM
Oregon played one incredible game -- to come back and make those two two point conversions.

Clutch 3rd down plays. Unbelievable catches.

Then to lose on a FG with .02 left. That's tough.

But Oregon is proud of the team -- and how they played. A class act all the way.

KevinJames
01-10-2011, 09:35 PM
I'll say this. We should all feel very good about the #2 pick. Whether its Fairley, Bowers or Peterson....we are getting one hell of a talent with our pick. Two other guys I like are Dareus and Quinn.

The 3-4 or 4-3 decision will play a large role in how are board gets set up.

If we do go back to the 4-3...I would say this is our board:


Bowers
Fairely
Peterson
Dareus
Quinn


If we stay with the 3-4, then:


Peterson
Dareus
?
?
?


Fairley over Bowers

Bowers isn't as good as Fairley sorry

Finger Roll
01-10-2011, 09:38 PM
I think Fairley will go 1rst. The broncos will pick Peterson or Bowers, imo

Williams
01-10-2011, 09:39 PM
Fairley is going #1 overall. No way the Panthers pass on him.

I hope not. Just checked their roster... they have a LOT of young DTs...

# Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Exp. College
62 Duhart, Tommie DT 6-3 318 24 R Valdosta State
Ellis, Louis DT 6-2 320 25 1 Shaw
98 Hayden, Nick DT 6-4 292 24 2 Wisconsin
93 Irvin, Corvey DT 6-3 302 25 2 Georgia
99 Johnson, Ed DT 6-2 296 27 2 Penn State
61 Landri, Derek DT 6-2 290 27 4 Notre Dame
68 Neblett, Andre DT 6-0 295 22 R Temple

I just hope they dont entertain trades.. or worse, we blow it.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 09:40 PM
We're in a great spot...two excellent players each at a position of need...we can't lose either way.

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 09:42 PM
Fairley is going #1 overall. No way the Panthers pass on him.

Theyre in a weird situation. They dont have a QB. A lot of Panther fans think they need offense.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 09:43 PM
Fairley over Bowers

Bowers isn't as good as Fairley sorry
Maybe not...haven't seen him but once, but he's the guy who had 40 plays this season for negative yardage...FORTY...most defensive linemen don't make 40 tackles in a season, let alone 40 for negative yardage.

NUB
01-10-2011, 09:44 PM
Fairley is going #1 overall. No way the Panthers pass on him.

I think so as well.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 09:49 PM
Theyre in a weird situation. They dont have a QB. A lot of Panther fans think they need offense.
It depends on what the NFL determines about the 2012 draft and how much progress has been made in negotiations I think. If it's apparent there's going to be a lockout, and if the Panthers would automatically get the top pick again next year...they can draft Luck anyway. If not, they probably trade down a few spots and take another QB and pick up extra picks.

AZorange1
01-10-2011, 09:54 PM
I'm submitting it...

I want to know what your doing with a picture of my future wife. On a football note, Nick Fairley was impressive and shows that he just needs a little "polishing".

bpc
01-10-2011, 09:55 PM
We're going to get somebody good, so i'm not disappointed either way. I'd have to say though, i would love to build from the front line back this time vs. the opposite which we've already tried.

If I had a dream draft moving to the 4-3, I'd take Fairley first and try to land Adrian Clayborn from Iowa. Those guys are both going to be very good players on the next level.

Bigdawg26
01-10-2011, 09:57 PM
I think with Rivera coaching the panthers, He wants to first grab a OLB like Bowers and he was pretty good in his bowl game as well. I think Bowers will pass him up after his combine numbers come up to be 4.6 260 and shows off his coverage skills. Thus giving us Fairley but I wouldn't be mad with Dareus either.

Mediator12
01-10-2011, 10:08 PM
It is amazing to me how many people have no idea what they are talking about, yet want to say so much that is wrong.

1. Auburn does not 2 gap.

2. That would be a double team from a team that runs a spread option offense.

3. They allowed Fairley to be free by design in order to do the actual "option Part" of their spread option offense. Fairley's unique skills made that option go away because he closed before the QB could "read" the option part. Then , they decided not to let him free and he still worked Oregon's OL like a maestro.

4. He played almost every snap against the fastest no huddle offense I have ever seen. His stamina was incredible.

5. Several of the plays where people may have thought he took the play off were counter read contains. If you do not know what that is, then stop commenting he took the plays off. And then, learn your fronts and gap twist responsibilities against the Spread option.

6. The Auburn DL and their destruction of Oregon's run game are what won the game for them. They held a team that rushes for 303.8 yards a game to 81 on 33 attempts. They made Oregon pass to succeed and it worked even with their inept secondary outside of Etheridge.

7. Fairley did 5 times more to win the National championship for Auburn, than Peterson did to help LSU win the Cotton Bowl. In fact, he got beaten a lot in that game by a very good WR and average QB. Great players show up in big games.

pricejj
01-10-2011, 10:09 PM
Fairley is going #1 overall. No way the Panthers pass on him.

+1

Yep :) Don't matter now!

Hopefully someone is looking to try to trade ahead of Buffalo to pick a QB, so we can trade down and get Dareus (at 5-7) but with this QB class I doubt it.

Dareus at #2 is a reach. Don't want Bowers or Peterson.

Rascal
01-10-2011, 10:15 PM
Who said Auburn played a 2 gap defense?

Bigdawg26
01-10-2011, 10:16 PM
GreedIt is amazing to me how many people have no idea what they are talking about, yet want to say so much that is wrong.

1. Auburn does not 2 gap.

2. That would be a double team from a team that runs a spread option offense.

3. They allowed Fairley to be free by design in order to do the actual "option Part" of their spread option offense. Fairley's unique skills made that option go away because he closed before the QB could "read" the option part. Then , they decided not to let him free and he still worked Oregon's OL like a maestro.

4. He played almost every snap against the fastest no huddle offense I have ever seen. His stamina was incredible.

5. Several of the plays where people may have thought he took the play off were counter read contains. If you do not know what that is, then stop commenting he took the plays off. And then, learn your fronts and gap twist responsibilities against the Spread option.

6. The Auburn DL and their destruction of Oregon's run game are what won the game for them. They held a team that rushes for 303.8 yards a game to 81 on 33 attempts. They made Oregon pass to succeed and it worked even with their inept secondary outside of Etheridge.

7. Fairley did 5 times more to win the National championship for Auburn, than Peterson did to help LSU win the Cotton Bowl. In fact, he got beaten a lot in that game by a very good WR and average QB. Great players show up in big games.

Agreed!!!

OrangeSe7en
01-10-2011, 10:17 PM
Who said Auburn played a 2 gap defense?

I did in the beginning of the thread. And they were 2 gapping in the beginning to read the option plays.

footstepsfrom#27
01-10-2011, 10:20 PM
I think with Rivera coaching the panthers, He wants to first grab a OLB like Bowers and he was pretty good in his bowl game as well. I think Bowers will pass him up after his combine numbers come up to be 4.6 260 and shows off his coverage skills. Thus giving us Fairley but I wouldn't be mad with Dareus either.
Bowers is 280, not 260...he's a 4-3 DE, probably not an OLB in the 3-4 at that size.

That's the thing though...whatever happened tonight with these guys will get lost in the combine numbrers. The NFL loves their combine numbers.

Baba Booey
01-10-2011, 10:21 PM
Guy is the real deal.

Finger Roll
01-10-2011, 10:25 PM
If the Broncos hire John fox and Fairley goes first, then I hope we pick Bowers.

bpc
01-10-2011, 10:28 PM
If Fairley goes first, i'm signing up for Peterson or trading back.

Boss Man
01-10-2011, 11:12 PM
Another kid using moms computer, wanting to be the one that "Told you so"

awaiting my apology...dont be so quick to talk **** just because someone may know more about a certain player than you do...

serious hops
01-10-2011, 11:56 PM
I think with Rivera coaching the panthers, He wants to first grab a OLB like Bowers and he was pretty good in his bowl game as well. I think Bowers will pass him up after his combine numbers come up to be 4.6 260 and shows off his coverage skills. Thus giving us Fairley but I wouldn't be mad with Dareus either.

I don't think it's necessarily a given that Rivera will switch to a 3-4 in Carolina. Guy coordinated a Cover-2 base D to the Super Bowl with Chicago, and they obviously have mostly 4-3 personnel currently in place. Their LB corps is one of the strengths of the team, and guys like Beason and Connor probably fit best in the 43. And Charles Johnson is coming on at end.

I think Fairley and Bowers will both be in play for them, but they could still take Green as well. Their receiver corps looks like an arena league team, and Steve Smith-- their only legit NFL talent-- is not only aging but may also be a free agent IIRC. With the depth of this DL class, they could go offense in the first round and come back with a DL like Kerrigan, Clayborne, etc in the second.

cutthemdown
01-10-2011, 11:58 PM
In Ron Riveras defense Fairley would play Dend which isnt a great spot for someone that high in the draft. Now if he's a Seymore type that is really versatile it probably is a good pick. If hes that good.

But in the 3-4 Dend not really the glamour spot.

cutthemdown
01-11-2011, 12:02 AM
Failry did dominate tonight though. I wonder how much these guys like Fairley and Dareus will do at the combine.

FantomForce
01-11-2011, 12:06 AM
I'm on draft him please

footstepsfrom#27
01-11-2011, 12:27 AM
It is amazing to me how many people have no idea what they are talking about, yet want to say so much that is wrong.

1. Auburn does not 2 gap.

2. That would be a double team from a team that runs a spread option offense.

3. They allowed Fairley to be free by design in order to do the actual "option Part" of their spread option offense. Fairley's unique skills made that option go away because he closed before the QB could "read" the option part. Then , they decided not to let him free and he still worked Oregon's OL like a maestro.

4. He played almost every snap against the fastest no huddle offense I have ever seen. His stamina was incredible.

5. Several of the plays where people may have thought he took the play off were counter read contains. If you do not know what that is, then stop commenting he took the plays off. And then, learn your fronts and gap twist responsibilities against the Spread option.

6. The Auburn DL and their destruction of Oregon's run game are what won the game for them. They held a team that rushes for 303.8 yards a game to 81 on 33 attempts. They made Oregon pass to succeed and it worked even with their inept secondary outside of Etheridge.

7. Fairley did 5 times more to win the National championship for Auburn, than Peterson did to help LSU win the Cotton Bowl. In fact, he got beaten a lot in that game by a very good WR and average QB. Great players show up in big games.
Fairley was amazing, no doubt. What amazes me about him is that he has a flair like Champ does for making huge plays at critical junctures of the game, a very rare talent for a defensive tackle.

That said, a corner isn't even viewable on the screen most of the time when you're following on TV...Peterson wasn't, and I know because I tracked him the entire game. Unless you know what kind of coverage schemes were called for every play you actually saw him, and who did or did not meet their responsibilities on that play, there's no way you could know what Peterson did or didn't do throughout the whole game. It's much easier to see the results from a disruptive defensive tackle than it is from a cover corner. Even if Peterson can be said to have had a poor game, that's not going to be what the team that drafts him is going to base their decision on. The combine, the college all star games, individual workouts, etc...I can recall some games where it looked like Champ had a poor game because he gave up a pass or two downfield. That doesn't tell us anything about whether he was actually carrying out his responsibilites or not. As for the idea that great players rise to the occassion in big games, true...but tonight's game was a big game, not the Cotton Bowl. Cripes, I think the bowls are stupid if they don't end up in a playoff system, so as far as I'm concerned there are no games in the post season except the last one. In terms of the meaning of this one tonight, that's what's most impressive about Fairley, but we don't know how Peterson would play in a game to decide the national title since he's not had the opportunity.

The rest of your post I agree with, but if you're saying Peterson's not a great player based on what you kind of think you saw on the tube in one game last night...well that's simply to difficult to determine and we both know that. You can't base evaluation of his career on one game anyway, even if you had a front row seat.

Peterson or Fairley...barring an attack of the stupids, we should get a game changer either way. I like both these dudes. I'd love to see what a smart DC can do to use Peterson's talents to disrupt opposing offenses. In the NFL he's not going to be subject to college coacching schematics. He's the kind of guy who ought to shine more in the pros than he has even at LSU.

Houshyamama
01-11-2011, 12:44 AM
In Ron Riveras defense Fairley would play Dend which isnt a great spot for someone that high in the draft. Now if he's a Seymore type that is really versatile it probably is a good pick. If hes that good.

But in the 3-4 Dend not really the glamour spot.

Richard Seymour made a pretty big difference for the Raiders this year.

Agamemnon
01-11-2011, 01:53 AM
Fairley is going #1 overall. No way the Panthers pass on him.

I disagree. AJ Green is as good a prospect at WR as Fairley is at DT, and they need a WR far more. The Panthers had the 32nd ranked offense last year and the 18th ranked defense. Look for them to draft heavily on offense just as we will likely draft heavily on defense. It'll be Green or a reach for a QB. Period.

The only way Fairley goes #1 is if someone decides to trade up ahead of us for him (as he is clearly our pick at this point, especially if we switch to the 4-3). I just don't see that happening though. Fairley is ours if we want him.

Agamemnon
01-11-2011, 01:55 AM
Peterson or Fairley...barring an attack of the stupids, we should get a game changer either way. I like both these dudes. I'd love to see what a smart DC can do to use Peterson's talents to disrupt opposing offenses. In the NFL he's not going to be subject to college coacching schematics. He's the kind of guy who ought to shine more in the pros than he has even at LSU.

At this point drafting Peterson over Fairley would be monumentally stupid. If we stay at #2 and draft anyone other than Fairley we will have failed in ways I can't begin to comprehend.

footstepsfrom#27
01-11-2011, 02:50 AM
At this point drafting Peterson over Fairley would be monumentally stupid. If we stay at #2 and draft anyone other than Fairley we will have failed in ways I can't begin to comprehend.
Don't be so melodramatic dude. One game against Oregon doees not suddenly make Fairley the #2 pick, much less the #1, and nothing Patrick Peterson has done changes the fact that he is the highest rated player to come out in years, at a position that's very difficult to fill. In this case Peterson has the ability to give DC's opportunities to do things they couldn't do otherwise, like setting himi up in the box as a Steve Atwater type safety, or using him to blanket Antonio Gates by himself, even coming off the endge as a 225 pound bullet on blitzes...this guy is 30 pounds bigger than Champ and probably as just as fast. He's a physical freak with other worldly coverage and play-making skills we have never had on this team.

You forget there are a couple reasons to temper the enthusiasm on Fairley. First of all, the kid is not terribly mature yet, and if you watched the game tonight you saw more than one example of that. He is a flamboyant guy who is probably a good kid but I could easily see him struggling with the sudden fame and money of the NFL. He's not a good fit in the 3-4 defense either, which we're currently supposedly set up for. He's a penetrating DT in a 4-3 not a 3-4 DE who is going to like to be told he's going to be a space eater so the LB's can make plays. If we're running the 3-4 we won't be taking him. Peterson will shine in any system so it doesn't matter what D we're using. On the basis of talent nobody including Fairley in this draft has more talent that Peterson does. On the basis of maturity, Fairley has a few rough edges...witness him interupting the trophy presentation speech with his clowning around while both his coach and the MC were speaking. I'm saying that he's not a finished product...and in fact a safer, though less spectacular choice is the Dareus kid, who can not only play in either defene, he'll thrive and he seems much more emotionally adjusted at this point. Fairley also needs to control his temper and actions on the field...i could see him having an Albert Haynesworth moment some day.

All that said, if he's there at #2 and Peterson's not, I'm thrilled to have the guy in a 4-3 defense. He's probably Warren Sapp, and we can win with that too. I'd just rather have the great CB and pick up a couple later first round D-line guys.

Agamemnon
01-11-2011, 03:14 AM
Don't be so melodramatic dude. One game against Oregon doees not suddenly make Fairley the #2 pick, much less the #1, and nothing Patrick Peterson has done changes the fact that he is the highest rated player to come out in years, at a position that's very difficult to fill. In this case Peterson has the ability to give DC's opportunities to do things they couldn't do otherwise, like setting himi up in the box as a Steve Atwater type safety, or using him to blanket Antonio Gates by himself, even coming off the endge as a 225 pound bullet on blitzes...this guy is 30 pounds bigger than Champ and probably as just as fast. He's a physical freak with other worldly coverage and play-making skills we have never had on this team.

You forget there are a couple reasons to temper the enthusiasm on Fairley. First of all, the kid is not terribly mature yet, and if you watched the game tonight you saw more than one example of that. He is a flamboyant guy who is probably a good kid but I could easily see him struggling with the sudden fame and money of the NFL. He's not a good fit in the 3-4 defense either, which we're currently supposedly set up for. He's a penetrating DT in a 4-3 not a 3-4 DE who is going to like to be told he's going to be a space eater so the LB's can make plays. If we're running the 3-4 we won't be taking him. Peterson will shine in any system so it doesn't matter what D we're using. On the basis of talent nobody including Fairley in this draft has more talent that Peterson does. On the basis of maturity, Fairley has a few rough edges...witness him interupting the trophy presentation speech with his clowning around while both his coach and the MC were speaking. I'm saying that he's not a finished product...and in fact a safer, though less spectacular choice is the Dareus kid, who can not only play in either defene, he'll thrive and he seems much more emotionally adjusted at this point. Fairley also needs to control his temper and actions on the field...i could see him having an Albert Haynesworth moment some day.

All that said, if he's there at #2 and Peterson's not, I'm thrilled to have the guy in a 4-3 defense. He's probably Warren Sapp, and we can win with that too. I'd just rather have the great CB and pick up a couple later first round D-line guys.

I'm not being melodramatic. Fairley and Peterson are comparable prospects overall, but we need a DE/DT far more than a CB. I would think by now that Broncos fans would understand the folly of continuously not drafting d-line in the 1st round. Guess not.

Obviously Fairley's a better fit in a 4-3. If we stick with the 3-4, I hope we trade down, and grab Dareus. Peterson just doesn't do much to fix our defense either way.

Cleo McDowell
01-11-2011, 03:15 AM
You would think we play in pink with the pussies on this board. I agree this team needs nasty

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HILife
01-11-2011, 04:50 AM
It is amazing to me how many people have no idea what they are talking about, yet want to say so much that is wrong.

1. Auburn does not 2 gap.

2. That would be a double team from a team that runs a spread option offense.

3. They allowed Fairley to be free by design in order to do the actual "option Part" of their spread option offense. Fairley's unique skills made that option go away because he closed before the QB could "read" the option part. Then , they decided not to let him free and he still worked Oregon's OL like a maestro.

4. He played almost every snap against the fastest no huddle offense I have ever seen. His stamina was incredible.

5. Several of the plays where people may have thought he took the play off were counter read contains. If you do not know what that is, then stop commenting he took the plays off. And then, learn your fronts and gap twist responsibilities against the Spread option.

6. The Auburn DL and their destruction of Oregon's run game are what won the game for them. They held a team that rushes for 303.8 yards a game to 81 on 33 attempts. They made Oregon pass to succeed and it worked even with their inept secondary outside of Etheridge.

7. Fairley did 5 times more to win the National championship for Auburn, than Peterson did to help LSU win the Cotton Bowl. In fact, he got beaten a lot in that game by a very good WR and average QB. Great players show up in big games.

I'm sold. Pick him up.

Drek
01-11-2011, 04:56 AM
Got to admit, I was real impressed with Fairley. Despite a 5 week layoff he showed up in excellent condition and displayed fantastic stamina. That is rare for a big DL.

He's a gamble but at this point he's looking like a gamble we have to take. At least if we go to a 4-3. It'd really depend on who the DC is if we're staying with a 3-4 and what kind of scheme he wants to run within the 3-4. We'd also absolutely need a good NT to put next to him.

Makes me want to see us draft him and move to a one gap 3-4 a la Pittsburgh, SD, and Dallas. Put Paea next to him at NT. Watch OLs crumble as the two of them, Bannan, Ayers, and Doom take turns beating their guys.

That would also be my recipe for how we put together a good 4-3 as well. Fairley + Paea opens a LOT of doors.

Agamemnon
01-11-2011, 05:08 AM
Got to admit, I was real impressed with Fairley. Despite a 5 week layoff he showed up in excellent condition and displayed fantastic stamina. That is rare for a big DL.

He's a gamble but at this point he's looking like a gamble we have to take. At least if we go to a 4-3. It'd really depend on who the DC is if we're staying with a 3-4 and what kind of scheme he wants to run within the 3-4. We'd also absolutely need a good NT to put next to him.

Makes me want to see us draft him and move to a one gap 3-4 a la Pittsburgh, SD, and Dallas. Put Paea next to him at NT. Watch OLs crumble as the two of them, Bannan, Ayers, and Doom take turns beating their guys.

That would also be my recipe for how we put together a good 4-3 as well. Fairley + Paea opens a LOT of doors.

I'd prefer Fairley and JJ Watt (hopefully he falls to our first 2nd rounder) in a 4-3. How can you not love JJ Watt?

Drek
01-11-2011, 05:10 AM
I'd prefer Fairley and JJ Watt (hopefully he falls to our first 2nd rounder) in a 4-3. How can you not love JJ Watt?

Who plays NT?

I do love Watt. In some crazy fantasy world we can pick up Fairley at #2, Paea at #37, and Watt with the Dolphins 2nd round pick. But that doesn't seem real likely.

Agamemnon
01-11-2011, 05:17 AM
Who plays NT?

I do love Watt. In some crazy fantasy world we can pick up Fairley at #2, Paea at #37, and Watt with the Dolphins 2nd round pick. But that doesn't seem real likely.

In many 4-3 schemes there is no NT. With Fairley and Watt the natural 4-3 scheme would be oriented towards penetration and disruption. They would line up on each side of the center and have the same basic role of getting into the backfield and disrupting the play. It'd be a very aggressive style of defense, which can have its downsides, but I believe would go a long way to fixing our run D and pass rush. The pressure created by Fairley and Watt would make it very hard for offenses to key on Dumervil (who would lineup extra wide on passing downs). I think it would really work.

By the way, I don't really see Paea as a NT. He's a penetrating 4-3 DT in my opinion. I do like him mind you, but I'm pretty sure he's gone by the middle of the 1st.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-11-2011, 05:28 AM
The next Warren Sapp?

Mediator12
01-11-2011, 05:45 AM
Fairley is comparable to Sapp coming out, except he is Taller and has better arm length. The thing about Fairley is he is nasty, nasty to the point of picking up Personal fouls. Auburn machine-gunned the Oregon Speedsters last night, making them pay every time they had the ball. Fairley just got chippy instead of smart on that one play.

As for Paea, his value will fluctuate until all the juniors declare and they can be evaluated properly. He could be a late mid first, to early second. The DL is deep and a lot of great Juniors will not help him move up. He absolutely can be NT in the 4-3 at the next level, however IMHO he also has the skills and mentality to be a legit 3-4 NT as well. NT in the 3-4 is all about attitude and Paea has the right attitude to be the next great NT in the NFL.

Drek
01-11-2011, 05:51 AM
Fairley is comparable to Sapp coming out, except he is Taller and has better arm length. The thing about Fairley is he is nasty, nasty to the point of picking up Personal fouls. Auburn machine-gunned the Oregon Speedsters last night, making them pay every time they had the ball. Fairley just got chippy instead of smart on that one play.

As for Paea, his value will fluctuate until all the juniors declare and they can be evaluated properly. He could be a late mid first, to early second. The DL is deep and a lot of great Juniors will not help him move up. He absolutely can be NT in the 4-3 at the next level, however IMHO he also has the skills and mentality to be a legit 3-4 NT as well. NT in the 3-4 is all about attitude and Paea has the right attitude to be the next great NT in the NFL.

To me Paea should be this team's top "must get" because he offers that rare skill set that will let him play nose (that position we've never had a quality starter at this decade) in either 3-4 or 4-3. Not that we should take him with #2, we use that on an elite talent like Fairley or Dareus depending on the scheme we choose to run. But if it means packaging the two seconds to secure Paea we should do it. Guys like him are the glue to building a great DL.

Agamemnon
01-11-2011, 06:00 AM
To me Paea should be this team's top "must get" because he offers that rare skill set that will let him play nose (that position we've never had a quality starter at this decade) in either 3-4 or 4-3. Not that we should take him with #2, we use that on an elite talent like Fairley or Dareus depending on the scheme we choose to run. But if it means packaging the two seconds to secure Paea we should do it. Guys like him are the glue to building a great DL.

There is far too much depth at d-line in this draft to make a move like that, especially for a guy who has never been asked to anchor against the run. He is a penetrating DT that is a huge leap of faith to transition to NT (rather risky for a 1st rounder). Besides NT isn't a good position of value in the 1st round traditionally. You're advocating trading the 36th and 47th overall picks for one guy that we would be asking to transition to a completely different position. That's crazy.

And seriously, I don't see Paea in anything but a 4-3. I just don't.

UberBroncoMan
01-11-2011, 06:11 AM
Nasty is one thing. Constant 15 yard penalties that could cost us a game is another...especially if one leads to a suspension.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-11-2011, 06:37 AM
I guess since Luck can't be bashed by the Tebow fans it is time for the Peterson fans to bash Fairly at every chance they get. Awesome.

Never any middle ground on the Mane. Awesome.

Broncoman13
01-11-2011, 06:51 AM
It is amazing to me how many people have no idea what they are talking about, yet want to say so much that is wrong.

1. Auburn does not 2 gap.

2. That would be a double team from a team that runs a spread option offense.

3. They allowed Fairley to be free by design in order to do the actual "option Part" of their spread option offense. Fairley's unique skills made that option go away because he closed before the QB could "read" the option part. Then , they decided not to let him free and he still worked Oregon's OL like a maestro.

4. He played almost every snap against the fastest no huddle offense I have ever seen. His stamina was incredible.

5. Several of the plays where people may have thought he took the play off were counter read contains. If you do not know what that is, then stop commenting he took the plays off. And then, learn your fronts and gap twist responsibilities against the Spread option.

6. The Auburn DL and their destruction of Oregon's run game are what won the game for them. They held a team that rushes for 303.8 yards a game to 81 on 33 attempts. They made Oregon pass to succeed and it worked even with their inept secondary outside of Etheridge.

7. Fairley did 5 times more to win the National championship for Auburn, than Peterson did to help LSU win the Cotton Bowl. In fact, he got beaten a lot in that game by a very good WR and average QB. Great players show up in big games.


Didn't I tell you that Fairley was a bad ass and was similar to Trevor Pryce (in his Denver days, not Clemson days) over a month ago!?! I've been on his bandwagon since Auburn's 3rd game this season. As good as he played last night, it was nothing compared to how he played during the season, especially against Alabama and LSU. Against the top competition in all of College Football he has been dominant and at times unblockable. I thought it was funny that Oregon started by letting him penetrate thinking he would be undiciplined. They quickly figured out that that wasn't going to work and then attempted to block him. That didn't work out so well either. On the safety, he was double teamed and was the reason James redirected. He didn't budge and even pushed the LOS back a bit. When you have one player doing that it makes everyone around him better. I would be concerned about Fairley if he only had one elite game, but truly this was probably his 3rd or 4th best game of the year.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-11-2011, 06:55 AM
I'd love for Fairley to stick around for the 2nd pick. I think we'll see Bowers grade higher as he likely won't have the "character" knocks that will be reported about Fairley and a guy like Green will shoot up a number of boards and could be very tempting for Carolina to consider with the #1. I can also see the scenario of another team falling in love with Green that high and trading up to get him.

OrangeSe7en
01-11-2011, 06:56 AM
I'd love for Fairley to stick around for the 2nd pick. I think we'll see Bowers grade higher as he likely won't have the "character" knocks that will be reported about Fairley and a guy like Green will shoot up a number of boards and could be very tempting for Carolina to consider with the #1. I can also see the scenario of another team falling in love with Green that high and trading up to get him.

Or wait until Mallett starts throwing the ball around and Carolina looks at the debate Atlanta and St Louis had about whether to draft a QB.

Likwid Kerruj
01-11-2011, 06:58 AM
Nasty is one thing. Constant 15 yard penalties that could cost us a game is another...especially if one leads to a suspension.

Just keep him away from Ryan McBean.

footstepsfrom#27
01-11-2011, 06:59 AM
I'm not being melodramatic. Fairley and Peterson are comparable prospects overall, but we need a DE/DT far more than a CB. I would think by now that Broncos fans would understand the folly of continuously not drafting d-line in the 1st round. Guess not.
Yeah...you are being melodramatic when you toss around **** like that.

First of all noob, since you just got here I'll tell you that you might want to use that little search thing and check to see what somebody you're arguing with has said in here in the past about the topic of discussion. Do so and you'll find me literally begging people to grasp how important it was to spend high draft picks on the trenches, and up tlll fairly recently when Shanny's D's totally collapsed those cries usually landed on deaf ears in here.

Second, it's a nice idea to not make a point of saying someone needs to learn such and such...when the words in front of your face show point blank they just said the same thing. Did you not understand what I said about drafting two other defensive line prospects in the late first round? Go re-read this post... http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=96355&page=5

That's a good point. This draft is deep in D-line players, but are we smart enough to find the right guys? On the other hand, if we land a 2nd for Orton, and the lack of quality QB's available in FA make me think that's more possible than I at first thought...we'd have three #2 picks, at least two in the top half of the round. That's enough to move up twice into the first round in the 20's or maybe one move into the top 15 or even higher. We can get at least three defensive starters, possibly four out of this draft even if we dont' hit on anything late.

the REASON I can get with the idea of taking the playmaking of Peterson in the secondary and letting the lineman go by the board is because this is a very deep draft for defensive linemen. With the ammo we can easily have in the second round...if we don't have three 2nds nobody in that front office is doing their job...we can come out of this draft with three 1st round picks, two of which can be defensive linemen. We ought to land someone like Paea and maybe Robert Quinn or Heyward...or we can sit pat in the 2nd round and draft a guy like Crick. The point is we can draft more than one very good D-line starter in this draft even if we don't take Fairley and STILL add a potential perennial All Pro in the secondary.

This draft is so deep in D-linemen, but not so deep in corners. We're in dire need of a top flight corner right NOW even if Champ stays, which he probably won't. In fact we could use two given the changing NFL offenses and the trend towards 3 and 4 receiver sets. But apart from that, he's electrifying in the return game, probably the best return man in the draft. We ought to know by now how damn important special teams and field position are. One of the hidden reasons for Denver's offense under Shanny during his last year failing to score more points was not just their poor red zone production, but also their horrible starting field position. Denver finished last in the NFL in that caregory...a startling and significant disadvantage when you add up not just total offensive yardage gained, but factor in the distance from the goal line each drive began at.

Back to Peterson...there's no player in the NFL like him yet. This guy's not just a corner, he's more like a small linebacker who has the size, speed and physical agility to cover any player in the NFL one-on-one, the size to stack him in the box and stop opposing running games as an Atwater type safety, the speed to range the deep zones in either man coverage or as a free safety making plays like Troy P does for the Steelers. Go check the Steelers won-lost record when TP hasn't been in there. It's amazing what a difference that makes for them and that's on a team with far more front 7 talent than we have. Even with all those studs up front they don't win anything without that guy in the secondary doing what he does. Peterson's unique because he's so big, so fast and so talented he could probably play nine different positions on the field if he were coached for it. There's literally no way to game plan for a guy with that kind of ability. He's compared to Lawrence Taylor and Deon Sanders in ability. Imagine Sanders...20 pounds bigger.

I'm happy with either one, just don't let us trade away the chance for a difference maker.