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rugbythug
01-10-2011, 01:20 PM
The Tim Tebow Effect-

1. Motivation is infectious.

I don't care what any of the Mainstream Media Haters say. When the leader of the Team is Busting his Butt in the weight room everyone else goes harder. When the QB is putting shots on Defensive Backs going into the Endzone Everyone else plays Harder.

Next Years Offensive line will hold their blocks longer just because they know that even if some one else gets beat their block can spring a run.

The offseason work will be better just because the Linebackers are not going to let a QB out lift them. (My bet is this happens with or without a CBA-My bet is Tebow will reach out to leaders of the team for work outs even if the season looks like a long shot)

2. If we like we can have any OC in the league we want. While the Teabow may scare some HC's, and if it does they should never be one. It will dare OC's.
A. If Teabow plays well they are an instant head coach.
B. If Teabow fails it won't be their fault no loose situation.

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For the Haters. Elways Signature Play

srphoenix
01-10-2011, 01:41 PM
other fun things about Tebow:

1. more national coverage by media and talking heads

2. more nationally televised games (worth it alone for those of us living out of state)

3. more Monday night appearances and Sunday night appearances

4. Broncos immediately more relevant and more profitable due to jersey sales, merchandise, TV appearances.

OABB
01-10-2011, 01:46 PM
The Tim Tebow Effect-

1. Motivation is infectious.

I don't care what any of the Mainstream Media Haters say. When the leader of the Team is Busting his Butt in the weight room everyone else goes harder. When the QB is putting shots on Defensive Backs going into the Endzone Everyone else plays Harder.

Next Years Offensive line will hold their blocks longer just because they know that even if some one else gets beat their block can spring a run.

The offseason work will be better just because the Linebackers are not going to let a QB out lift them. (My bet is this happens with or without a CBA-My bet is Tebow will reach out to leaders of the team for work outs even if the season looks like a long shot)

2. If we like we can have any OC in the league we want. While the Teabow may scare some HC's, and if it does they should never be one. It will dare OC's.
A. If Teabow plays well they are an instant head coach.
B. If Teabow fails it won't be their fault no loose situation.

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For the Haters. Elways Signature Play


Let's not forget the effect he has on my genitals either.

TheReverend
01-10-2011, 01:46 PM
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TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 01:47 PM
And let's not forget that any questions about his ability are strictly from people who hold a grudge against Tim for... some reason... and that they're trying to "undermine" him and his pro career. Because they hate him so much.

/rolleyes

chawknz
01-10-2011, 01:49 PM
And let's not forget that any questions about his ability are strictly from people who hold a grudge against Tim for... some reason... and that they're trying to "undermine" him and his pro career. Because they hate him so much.


Well said.

TheReverend
01-10-2011, 01:49 PM
And let's not forget that any questions about his ability are strictly from people who hold a grudge against Tim for... some reason... and that they're trying to "undermine" him and his pro career. Because they hate him so much.

/rolleyes

I clearly missed anything like that in this thread. Can you please highlight it for me so I can understand why you felt the need to make that post?

jhns
01-10-2011, 01:49 PM
And let's not forget that any questions about his ability are strictly from people who hold a grudge against Tim for... some reason... and that they're trying to "undermine" him and his pro career. Because they hate him so much.

/rolleyes

Or they just don't know what they are talking about.

OABB
01-10-2011, 01:49 PM
And let's not forget that any questions about his ability are strictly from people who hold a grudge against Tim for... some reason... and that they're trying to "undermine" him and his pro career. Because they hate him so much.

/rolleyes

Or they are blinded by ortons nut sack giving them Arabian goggles.

Drek
01-10-2011, 01:52 PM
And let's not forget that any questions about his ability are strictly from people who hold a grudge against Tim for... some reason... and that they're trying to "undermine" him and his pro career. Because they hate him so much.

/rolleyes

There are questions about any young QB. Constantly pointing them out about Tebow is glass half empty thinking, when Tebow is the ultimately glass half full QB. Elite athleticism coupled with unparalleled work ethic. His passing ability is no worse than most young QBs and if he develops in that area he's a game changer at QB like we haven't seen in Denver since Elway.

baja
01-10-2011, 01:56 PM
I clearly missed anything like that in this thread. Can you please highlight it for me so I can understand why you felt the need to make that post?

Translation; smell me I'm so smart

baja
01-10-2011, 01:57 PM
So let's say Tebow never pans out, what then?

Killericon
01-10-2011, 02:00 PM
So let's say Tebow never pans out, what then?

Are you kidding me with this?

What if Orton regresses? What if he gets hit by a car? What if we draft Jake Locker, and he sucks? What if our head coach turns out to be a dud? WHAT WILL WE DO THEN?!?

jhns
01-10-2011, 02:02 PM
So let's say Tebow never pans out, what then?

We look for a new QB and were still better off than with Orton.

Taco John
01-10-2011, 02:04 PM
So let's say Tebow never pans out, what then?


Ask me this in three years when we can get a look at what "never pans out" actually means.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 02:04 PM
I clearly missed anything like that in this thread. Can you please highlight it for me so I can understand why you felt the need to make that post?

Don't you worry, sweetheart. Agamemnon will be along at any moment to make this very claim. Catch the fever!

Oh, and the "haters" were mentioned in the OP.

Don't get all butthurt, Rev. I like your boyfriend. I think he treats you real nice and I hope he addresses the problems with his game that could hinder him from being successful. I don't think that's a guarantee though. Nobody questions his "want to" or his intangibles.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 02:05 PM
Or they are blinded by ortons nut sack giving them Arabian goggles.

I'm so blinded by Orton that I want to trade him for picks.

DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP. Strong take.

Missouribronc
01-10-2011, 02:05 PM
Are you kidding me with this?

What if Orton regresses? What if he gets hit by a car? What if we draft Jake Locker, and he sucks? What if our head coach turns out to be a dud? WHAT WILL WE DO THEN?!?

I think Denver should seriously look at contraction, at this point.

baja
01-10-2011, 02:07 PM
Are you kidding me with this?

What if Orton regresses? What if he gets hit by a car? What if we draft Jake Locker, and he sucks? What if our head coach turns out to be a dud? WHAT WILL WE DO THEN?!?

TT played three games yet over the course of a couple of weeks we have talked ourselves up to the place where we assume we got the next Elway on our hands just look at the progression of the posts these last 2 weeks.

We have ourselves talked into the place where some have said they would not trade Tebow straight up for Luck another poster said he would not take 2 firsts and 2 seconds for tebow.

This place will be interesting after the first bad game by TT.

Missouribronc
01-10-2011, 02:07 PM
Tim Tebow is a winner and a leader. I hope he can make the correct decisions on the field throwing the ball to make those other qualities shine. Because even two years of 12 TD, 20 INTs, 2,900 yards isn't going to get it done...unless Denver reaches the playoffs, somehow.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 02:09 PM
Tim Tebow is a winner and a leader. I hope he can make the correct decisions on the field throwing the ball to make those other qualities shine. Because even two years of 12 TD, 20 INTs, 2,900 yards isn't going to get it done...unless Denver reaches the playoffs, somehow.

Such a hater. Why are you undermining Tim? Do you work in the national media?

baja
01-10-2011, 02:12 PM
Ask me this in three years when we can get a look at what "never pans out" actually means.

You think that will take three years? Ha he'll get the same treatment as McD by game ten next season if he does not look Elwayesque. Hell you get snappy at the mention of it.

Missouribronc
01-10-2011, 02:13 PM
Such a hater. Why are you undermining Tim? Do you work in the national media?

Appreciate that...

If anyone is going to use the "haters" as motivation to win and succeed, it's Tim Tebow.

I don't think he'll be anywhere near what I wrote previously in year two, but he might do that next year, and he'll find a way to will the team to a few victories, if not more. It's year two as a full starter where he needs to really succeed, imo.

jhns
01-10-2011, 02:17 PM
Such a hater. Why are you undermining Tim? Do you work in the national media?

LOL

Why do you get so emotional over someone calling you a hater on a message board?

RaiderH8r
01-10-2011, 02:20 PM
Tebow is an excellent face for the league too. A couple of seasons producing and Bowlen can get on the phone with Goodell for rules changes a la Jim Irsay and Bob Kraft. Who better than Tebow to roll out to remind folks the NFL is just a bunch of good guys the next time Ray Lewis stabs somebody? Nobody that's who.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 02:38 PM
LOL

Why do you get so emotional over someone calling you a hater on a message board?

Newsflash, sweet girl: I'm not emotional. I think you and your Tebow nuthuggers -- who look the other way on very legitimate concerns because of intangibles and things that may not turn Tim into a good passer -- are funny.

See, I'm mocking you. There's a significant difference between mocking you and your see no evil, hear no evil buddies, and being emotional.

Why do you get so emotional over Tim? I think he loves the Lord, and probably wouldn't give you the time of day.

jhns
01-10-2011, 02:46 PM
Newsflash, sweet girl: I'm not emotional. I think you and your Tebow nuthuggers -- who look the other way on very legitimate concerns because of intangibles and things that may not turn Tim into a good passer -- are funny.

See, I'm mocking you. There's a significant difference between mocking you and your see no evil, hear no evil buddies, and being emotional.

Why do you get so emotional over Tim? I think he loves the Lord, and probably wouldn't give you the time of day.

I would say you get emotional. You are crying in every Tebow thread.

Anyways, we don't laugh at you for saying Tebow has stuff to work on. We laugh at you when you start making up stuff like "that millisecond caused the incompletion, not him throwing it 3 seconds after he should have!"

You see, most know Tebow has a lot to work on and I have said so many times. It is just that your takes are ridiculous. Look at the post I just quoted. I talk about what Tebow needs to work on a lot. You are crying that I just praise him... Over reaction by a hurt vagina.

"Waahhhhh, someone called me a hater once... Wahhhhhhhh!!!!"

rugbythug
01-10-2011, 02:46 PM
Newsflash, sweet girl: I'm not emotional. I think you and your Tebow nuthuggers -- who look the other way on very legitimate concerns because of intangibles and things that may not turn Tim into a good passer -- are funny.

See, I'm mocking you. There's a significant difference between mocking you and your see no evil, hear no evil buddies, and being emotional.

Why do you get so emotional over Tim? I think he loves the Lord, and probably wouldn't give you the time of day.

How about the actual tangibles any comment on those?

OABB
01-10-2011, 02:47 PM
Newsflash, sweet girl: I'm not emotional. I think you and your Tebow nuthuggers -- who look the other way on very legitimate concerns because of intangibles and things that may not turn Tim into a good passer -- are funny.

See, I'm mocking you. There's a significant difference between mocking you and your see no evil, hear no evil buddies, and being emotional.

Why do you get so emotional over Tim? I think he loves the Lord, and probably wouldn't give you the time of day.

I don't know any tebow nuthuggers outside of myself here. Jhns has only said he preformed better than Orton, which is true.

I think Ortons scrotum is blocking your uvula and is choking the oxygen to your brain.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 02:48 PM
My pants fit oddly tight in the crotchal region when Tebow is on the field. A strange effect indeed.

Kaylore
01-10-2011, 02:52 PM
I love how there can be no middle ground. Like either he will be the greatest QB ever or he will be the worst. How about option c: He is really raw and lacks the fundamentals to be elite, but has the work ethic and athleticism to at least be above average in a year or so?

OABB
01-10-2011, 02:53 PM
I love how there can be no middle ground. Like either he will be the greatest QB ever or he will be the worst. How about option c: He is really raw and lacks the fundamentals to be elite, but has the work ethic and athleticism to at least be above average in a year or so?

your lack of faith disturbs me. Tebow is the G.O.A.T. it will just take a while for the rest of you to see this.

jhns
01-10-2011, 03:01 PM
I love how there can be no middle ground. Like either he will be the greatest QB ever or he will be the worst. How about option c: He is really raw and lacks the fundamentals to be elite, but has the work ethic and athleticism to at least be above average in a year or so?

Or, how about we stop acting like we are God and stop putting caps on what he can become?

The reality is, he has shown enough in his first few starts to get a chance at starting next season. Where he goes from there, and what he can achieve, is pure speculation.

cmhargrove
01-10-2011, 03:03 PM
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frerottenextelway
01-10-2011, 03:04 PM
I love how there can be no middle ground. Like either he will be the greatest QB ever or he will be the worst. How about option c: He is really raw and lacks the fundamentals to be elite, but has the work ethic and athleticism to at least be above average in a year or so?

Nuthugger.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-10-2011, 03:06 PM
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Gcver2ver3
01-10-2011, 03:06 PM
other fun things about Tebow:

1. more national coverage by media and talking heads

2. more nationally televised games (worth it alone for those of us living out of state)

3. more Monday night appearances and Sunday night appearances

4. Broncos immediately more relevant and more profitable due to jersey sales, merchandise, TV appearances.

and i'm sure this wasn't missed by Bowlen and the crew...

it at least played a factor in deciding whether to go with Tebow...

at the end of the day, it's a business...

OABB
01-10-2011, 03:08 PM
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01-10-2011, 03:14 PM
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TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 03:20 PM
Or, how about we stop acting like we are God and stop putting caps on what he can become?

The reality is, he has shown enough in his first few starts to get a chance at starting next season. Where he goes from there, and what he can achieve, is pure speculation.

This is exactly the type of post that gets you mocked. See? You're the embodiment of the problem where there is no middle ground on Tebow.

You're the problem. Get used to hearing that.

Where in Kaylore's post did he say anything about putting a cap on "what he can become"?

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 03:23 PM
And let's not forget that any questions about his ability are strictly from people who hold a grudge against Tim for... some reason... and that they're trying to "undermine" him and his pro career. Because they hate him so much.You've shown your biased opinion many times. Try to keep it in the other threads.

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01-10-2011, 03:27 PM
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TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 03:27 PM
You've shown your biased opinion many times. Try to keep it in the other threads.

Ah, yes. My "biased" opinion. Okay. Whatever you say, dedhead.

You've shown your "biased opinion" enough as well. Kindly piss up a rope.

OABB
01-10-2011, 03:28 PM
This is exactly the type of post that gets you mocked. See? You're the embodiment of the problem where there is no middle ground on Tebow.

You're the problem. Get used to hearing that.

Where in Kaylore's post did he say anything about putting a cap on "what he can become"?

Again, jhns never stated anything about tebow other than he outplayed orton. He has not overstated anything. Do you read the posts you "drrrrrrrp" against?



Also, **** you for making me defend jhns. I need to go take a rape shower.

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 03:30 PM
Wow. just read through this thread. Who is this "elusive" dude, and why is he the ultimate drama queen when it comes to Tebow?

Is he an OU guy?
Did he really love Orton?
Is he just an anti-religion guy (like myself) who takes Tebow's faith as a personal affront(unlike myself)?

I don't get it.

frerottenextelway
01-10-2011, 03:30 PM
Tim Tebow is going to be a great NFL quarterback.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 03:30 PM
Also, **** you for making me defend jhns. I need to go take a rape shower.

Hahahaha, sorry about that. Hate to see that happen.

I clearly called out Agamemnon. Jhns is just stupid enough to wander into the discussion with the adults and make an ass of himself.

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 03:32 PM
Ah, yes. My "biased" opinion. Okay. Whatever you say, dedhead.

You've shown your "biased opinion" enough as well. Kindly piss up a rope.

My opinion is only based on what I've seen from Tebow throughout his career. Yours clearly involves more.

He's a raw QB with tremendous ability, upside, and intangibles.

jhns
01-10-2011, 03:36 PM
This is exactly the type of post that gets you mocked. See? You're the embodiment of the problem where there is no middle ground on Tebow.

You're the problem. Get used to hearing that.

Where in Kaylore's post did he say anything about putting a cap on "what he can become"?

Wow, you really lack the ability to read, don't you? Not that this is new information.

Kaybitch clearly said "he lacks the fundamentals to be elite but could be above average in a year or so."

He can't be an elite QB but there is no cap being put on what he can become? Weird... He lacks the fundamentals as he has shown he can make every throw in the NFL and can run in the NFL? That statement is made without using common sense...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 03:38 PM
Wow. just read through this thread. Who is this "elusive" dude, and why is he the ultimate drama queen when it comes to Tebow?

Is he an OU guy?
Did he really love Orton?
Is he just an anti-religion guy (like myself) who takes Tebow's faith as a personal affront(unlike myself)?

I don't get it.

None of the above.

I think Tebow has MUCH to prove. We ALL know about his intangibles. We ALL know about his leadership. We KNOW.

And yet, there are still questions about his ability to perform at this level. God forbid someone bring that up.

If you bring up LEGITIMATE questions about Tebow, you get painted as "an OU guy" (couldn't be farther from the truth), "really loving Orton" (I like Orton, think he's a good guy and a serviceable quarterback) or "anti-religion" (not at all; I go to church fairly regularly, and though I do find his consistent shilling for the Lord a bit off putting, it has absolutely nothing to do with me rooting or not rooting for him as a member of the Denver Broncos) despite evidence to the contrary.

Which brings me back to the reason I initially posted in this thread. I think it's beyond ridiculous that we get a new thread daily about how great Tebow will be, about how the "haters" will be proven wrong and about how Tim Tebow = John Elway.

He's not John Elway. The ONLY thing going for him in this respect is his undying desire to win, which I admit is very attractive to the football fan in all of us. But there are things that need to happen on the football field that ARE quantifiable, and if I bring that up, I shouldn't be subjected to the Tebow cultists shouting me down as a "hater." It's old. Tired. Ridiculous.

And here come the "hater" calls. Can't wait. Love reruns.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 03:39 PM
My opinion is only based on what I've seen from Tebow throughout his career. Yours clearly involves more.

He's a raw QB with tremendous ability, upside, and intangibles.

Again: My opinion is formed from watching Tebow play for the Denver Broncos. I have questions about his ability to make it at this level. I'm not saying he can't; I think his dedication is admirable. But comparing him to John Elway? After three starts? Pfft.

Absurd.

OABB
01-10-2011, 03:40 PM
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jhns
01-10-2011, 03:41 PM
Hahahaha, sorry about that. Hate to see that happen.

I clearly called out Agamemnon. Jhns is just stupid enough to wander into the discussion with the adults and make an ass of himself.

Discussion with adults? You crying all over the forum because someone called you a hater is you being an adult?

LOL

Silly moose. You are such a joke, you even had to hide behind a new screen name. Sad really.

I guess drama queens just need their drama...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 03:42 PM
Discussion with adults? You crying all over the forum because someone called you a hater is you being an adult?

LOL

Silly moose. You are such a joke, you even had to hide behind a new screen name. Sad really.

I guess drama queens just need their drama...

Hiding so much that I didn't change my avatar or sigline. Good call.

You are teh smrt.

frerottenextelway
01-10-2011, 03:47 PM
Tim's future Hall of Fame bust.

http://historybyday.com/photos/tthof.jpg

jhns
01-10-2011, 03:48 PM
Hiding so much that I didn't change my avatar or sigline. Good call.

You are teh smrt.

I don't have avatars on. Good excuses though. Did you keep them the same just so you could claim you didn't change your name because you embarrass yourself regularly? Should we expect another name change when you are done crying all over the board because you got called a hater?

baja
01-10-2011, 03:51 PM
Discussion with adults? You crying all over the forum because someone called you a hater is you being an adult?

LOL

Silly moose. You are such a joke, you even had to hide behind a new screen name. Sad really.

I guess drama queens just need their drama...

Who did he used to be?

Why do people change their screen names?

Mile High Shack
01-10-2011, 03:56 PM
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Dedhed
01-10-2011, 03:56 PM
Again: My opinion is formed from watching Tebow play for the Denver Broncos. I have questions about his ability to make it at this level. I'm not saying he can't; I think his dedication is admirable.

No. In order to completely discount his college career, the fact that every QB struggles in their first NFL games, and the fact that he was far more effective than Orton in leading the team, your opinion clearly involves personal factors.

Of course it's absurd to compare him to Elway. It's just as absurd to discount everything that he's shown thus far.

TheReverend
01-10-2011, 04:00 PM
Don't you worry, sweetheart. Agamemnon will be along at any moment to make this very claim. Catch the fever!

Oh, and the "haters" were mentioned in the OP.

Don't get all butthurt, Rev. I like your boyfriend. I think he treats you real nice and I hope he addresses the problems with his game that could hinder him from being successful. I don't think that's a guarantee though. Nobody questions his "want to" or his intangibles.

Translation: Just in case someone isn't along to make that claim, I wanted to make sure I was front and center starting it

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 04:05 PM
None of the above.

I think Tebow has MUCH to prove. We ALL know about his intangibles. We ALL know about his leadership. We KNOW.

And yet, there are still questions about his ability to perform at this level. God forbid someone bring that up.

If you bring up LEGITIMATE questions about Tebow, you get painted as "an OU guy" (couldn't be farther from the truth), "really loving Orton" (I like Orton, think he's a good guy and a serviceable quarterback) or "anti-religion" (not at all; I go to church fairly regularly, and though I do find his consistent shilling for the Lord a bit off putting, it has absolutely nothing to do with me rooting or not rooting for him as a member of the Denver Broncos) despite evidence to the contrary.

Which brings me back to the reason I initially posted in this thread. I think it's beyond ridiculous that we get a new thread daily about how great Tebow will be, about how the "haters" will be proven wrong and about how Tim Tebow = John Elway.

He's not John Elway. The ONLY thing going for him in this respect is his undying desire to win, which I admit is very attractive to the football fan in all of us. But there are things that need to happen on the football field that ARE quantifiable, and if I bring that up,


Of course he has a lot to prove, as does every rookie. For anyone watching he showed that the majority of what made him successful in college translates to the NFL.

Everyone saw it.

I shouldn't be subjected to the Tebow cultists shouting me down as a "hater." It's old. Tired. Ridiculous.This is what cracks me up about people like you. You think you're outside the maelstrom, but you're the most fervent Tebow cultist I've seen out there.

It just so happens you take an anti stance. You're no different from the people you lambaste for refusing to admit his flaws. You're laughable in that respect.

Your takes have little to do with Tebow, and everything to do with your personal grievances against religion. You're the same as the people who think he's above reproach on the field because of who he is off of it. You're just on the other side.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-10-2011, 04:08 PM
My personal grievances against religion? I GO TO CHURCH. Christ, not very good with the whole "reading comprehension" thing, are you dedhed?

And I'm not Anti-Tebow. I hope he's great. He plays for my team; why wouldn't I hope he's great?

Funny take, though. Good luck with all that.

Dedhed
01-10-2011, 04:12 PM
My personal grievances against religion? I GO TO CHURCH. Christ, not very good with the whole "reading comprehension" thing, are you dedhed?

And I'm not Anti-Tebow. I hope he's great. He plays for my team; why wouldn't I hope he's great?

Funny take, though. Good luck with all that.You don't need luck if the truth is plain to see. I find it laughable that you proclaim yourself a church goer and in the next sentence take Christs name in vain. I got my degree in what amounts to reading comprehension. I probably understand what you're saying better than you do. Either that, or there is a writing comprehension issue on your part.

You've let the cat out of the bag in a number of your posts. I labeled them in case you want to look back.

TheReverend
01-10-2011, 04:43 PM
I love how there can be no middle ground. Like either he will be the greatest QB ever or he will be the worst. How about option c: He is really raw and lacks the fundamentals to be elite, but has the work ethic and athleticism to at least be above average in a year or so?

I think most were in that camp until he played and proved to be above average as a rookie with no headcoach and poor playcalling.

The bar was raised by Tim, not fans.

OABB
01-10-2011, 04:44 PM
I think most were in that camp until he played and proved to be above average as a rookie with no headcoach and poor playcalling.

The bar was raised by Tim, not fans.

it wasn't just the bar that raised either.

55CrushEm
01-10-2011, 05:15 PM
Again, jhns never stated anything about tebow other than he outplayed orton. He has not overstated anything. Do you read the posts you "drrrrrrrp" against?



Also, **** you for making me defend jhns. I need to go take a rape shower.

:spit:

bombay
01-10-2011, 05:19 PM
None of the above.

I think Tebow has MUCH to prove. We ALL know about his intangibles. We ALL know about his leadership. We KNOW.

And yet, there are still questions about his ability to perform at this level. God forbid someone bring that up.

If you bring up LEGITIMATE questions about Tebow, you get painted as "an OU guy" (couldn't be farther from the truth), "really loving Orton" (I like Orton, think he's a good guy and a serviceable quarterback) or "anti-religion" (not at all; I go to church fairly regularly, and though I do find his consistent shilling for the Lord a bit off putting, it has absolutely nothing to do with me rooting or not rooting for him as a member of the Denver Broncos) despite evidence to the contrary.

Which brings me back to the reason I initially posted in this thread. I think it's beyond ridiculous that we get a new thread daily about how great Tebow will be, about how the "haters" will be proven wrong and about how Tim Tebow = John Elway.

He's not John Elway. The ONLY thing going for him in this respect is his undying desire to win, which I admit is very attractive to the football fan in all of us. But there are things that need to happen on the football field that ARE quantifiable, and if I bring that up, I shouldn't be subjected to the Tebow cultists shouting me down as a "hater." It's old. Tired. Ridiculous.

And here come the "hater" calls. Can't wait. Love reruns.


Rep. There is a middle ground.

cmhargrove
01-10-2011, 05:24 PM
Some people just aren't paying attention...

OABB
01-10-2011, 05:26 PM
Some people just aren't paying attention...

I got no love for my genius so I quit.

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01-10-2011, 05:34 PM
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01-10-2011, 05:39 PM
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listopencil
01-10-2011, 05:39 PM
and let's not forget me! Give me attention!


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01-10-2011, 05:43 PM
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01-10-2011, 05:45 PM
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01-10-2011, 05:46 PM
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OABB
01-10-2011, 05:51 PM
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Drek
01-10-2011, 06:08 PM
I love how there can be no middle ground. Like either he will be the greatest QB ever or he will be the worst. How about option c: He is really raw and lacks the fundamentals to be elite, but has the work ethic and athleticism to at least be above average in a year or so?

Two reasons.

People in group A where Tebow is the greatest QB ever really have no logical jumping off point after going down that road because, well, a QB who's only started three games is clearly not. Its hero worship and even the most ardent of Tebow lovers will temper the hyperbole and come down from their buzz when real football discussion breaks out.

People in group B though? Whole different animal. They continue to apply a moving standard because to do otherwise sets up real goals that Tebow can achieve.

Case in point, once upon a time Tim Tebow's delivery was going to have him sacked and stripped of the football multiple times a game. Instead Tebow treats grown ass men in the NFL like the JV squad back in high school when they try that. We've seen him avoid and shrug off pass rushers in only three starts. Not once in those three starts did his elongated delivery cost him a play.

Like you said Kay, Tebow has real fundamental issues to address if he wants to be an elite QB. But then so does Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and a host of other young QBs. Lets not even get started on Jay "I throw off my back foot still in year five and it took leading the league in picks last year for me to cancel my membership to Rex Grossman's **** It I'm Going Deep club" Cutler.

Every young QB is a collection of pluses and minuses. If Andrew Luck came out I'd guarantee that this time next season people would be picking his game apart on what he'd have to improve at. Chances are they'd be fundamental skills.

Bradford would kill for Tebow's deep ball. Tebow would kill for Bradford's intermediate accuracy. Thats the way it works. Guys have different skill sets, but its how guys mature and develop those skill sets that define them in the NFL. Peyton Manning coming out of college was one of the better prepared "fundamental" QBs in a long time. He struggled mightily out of the gate and it took literally thousands of hours of film work to learn how to read defenses. Now he's one step short of telepathy at calling out blitzers. When Tom Brady came out scouts joked that he couldn't break a pane of glass with a football. Now he's one of the most feared deep passers in the NFL.

From a fundamental standpoint Tebow has a few of the necessary skills. Great touch on his deep ball. An arm that can make all the NFL throws. Poise and awareness in the pocket. He also lacks some of them. Short to intermediate accuracy and precision for example. Making good pre-snap reads. Predicting when a player will come open at the NFL level and having the ball waiting for them in that spot.

That doesn't make him any different from the other young QBs in the league. They all have things that need to be refined. Some will take the path of Manning or Brady and grow. Others will be like Leaf or Vince Young and stagnate.

But what isn't debatable is that while Tebow is in the same boat to start his career from a pure passer standpoint he is on a completely different plane athletically and physically. That sets him apart. It lowers the bar for Tim Tebow the passer and raises the bar for both his own production and the production of our entire offense. its a very real X factor we've seen all year with Mike Vick on the Eagles, only Tebow is much younger and much more motivated to become the passer Vick is only just starting to attempt to become.

Your group C is where everyone should be, but also with the clear acknowledgement that Tebow isn't the only guy there. A whole new crop will join the league come late April. And next year the much hyped Andrew Luck will join in himself. All will have serious fundamental issues that keep them from being elite. No one has ever just stepped into the NFL and been an elite QB from day one. You have to grow into one. Tim Tebow is as likely to do that as anyone else, far likelier than most.

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01-10-2011, 07:24 PM
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01-11-2011, 08:04 AM
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Kaylore
01-11-2011, 08:09 AM
Two reasons.

People in group A where Tebow is the greatest QB ever really have no logical jumping off point after going down that road because, well, a QB who's only started three games is clearly not. Its hero worship and even the most ardent of Tebow lovers will temper the hyperbole and come down from their buzz when real football discussion breaks out.

People in group B though? Whole different animal. They continue to apply a moving standard because to do otherwise sets up real goals that Tebow can achieve.

Case in point, once upon a time Tim Tebow's delivery was going to have him sacked and stripped of the football multiple times a game. Instead Tebow treats grown ass men in the NFL like the JV squad back in high school when they try that. We've seen him avoid and shrug off pass rushers in only three starts. Not once in those three starts did his elongated delivery cost him a play.

Like you said Kay, Tebow has real fundamental issues to address if he wants to be an elite QB. But then so does Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and a host of other young QBs. Lets not even get started on Jay "I throw off my back foot still in year five and it took leading the league in picks last year for me to cancel my membership to Rex Grossman's **** It I'm Going Deep club" Cutler.

Every young QB is a collection of pluses and minuses. If Andrew Luck came out I'd guarantee that this time next season people would be picking his game apart on what he'd have to improve at. Chances are they'd be fundamental skills.

Bradford would kill for Tebow's deep ball. Tebow would kill for Bradford's intermediate accuracy. Thats the way it works. Guys have different skill sets, but its how guys mature and develop those skill sets that define them in the NFL. Peyton Manning coming out of college was one of the better prepared "fundamental" QBs in a long time. He struggled mightily out of the gate and it took literally thousands of hours of film work to learn how to read defenses. Now he's one step short of telepathy at calling out blitzers. When Tom Brady came out scouts joked that he couldn't break a pane of glass with a football. Now he's one of the most feared deep passers in the NFL.

From a fundamental standpoint Tebow has a few of the necessary skills. Great touch on his deep ball. An arm that can make all the NFL throws. Poise and awareness in the pocket. He also lacks some of them. Short to intermediate accuracy and precision for example. Making good pre-snap reads. Predicting when a player will come open at the NFL level and having the ball waiting for them in that spot.

That doesn't make him any different from the other young QBs in the league. They all have things that need to be refined. Some will take the path of Manning or Brady and grow. Others will be like Leaf or Vince Young and stagnate.

But what isn't debatable is that while Tebow is in the same boat to start his career from a pure passer standpoint he is on a completely different plane athletically and physically. That sets him apart. It lowers the bar for Tim Tebow the passer and raises the bar for both his own production and the production of our entire offense. its a very real X factor we've seen all year with Mike Vick on the Eagles, only Tebow is much younger and much more motivated to become the passer Vick is only just starting to attempt to become.

Your group C is where everyone should be, but also with the clear acknowledgement that Tebow isn't the only guy there. A whole new crop will join the league come late April. And next year the much hyped Andrew Luck will join in himself. All will have serious fundamental issues that keep them from being elite. No one has ever just stepped into the NFL and been an elite QB from day one. You have to grow into one. Tim Tebow is as likely to do that as anyone else, far likelier than most.
Good post.

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TonyR
01-11-2011, 08:38 AM
...we've seen all year with Mike Vick on the Eagles, only Tebow is much younger and much more motivated to become the passer Vick is only just starting to attempt to become.

To my untrained eye the big difference between Tebow and Vick as far a being a "passer" is that Vick has always effortlessly thrown a beautiful ball where as Tebow clearly doesn't. Vick has certainly had issues with decision making and accuracy but the guy is just so natural. He flicks his wrist and throws lasers. Tebow isn't remotely as natural a passer.

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01-11-2011, 08:42 AM
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Jay3
01-11-2011, 08:53 AM
To my untrained eye the big difference between Tebow and Vick as far a being a "passer" is that Vick has always effortlessly thrown a beautiful ball where as Tebow clearly doesn't. Vick has certainly had issues with decision making and accuracy but the guy is just so natural. He flicks his wrist and throws lasers. Tebow isn't remotely as natural a passer.

You're right. The number one weakness Tebow has always had, I'll bet, is difficulty throwing spirals. He could use some work on the "hand" part of throwing it. I think his throwing motion is an elaborate routine he has subconcsiously developed to help him throw a spiral.

Drek
01-11-2011, 08:57 AM
To my untrained eye the big difference between Tebow and Vick as far a being a "passer" is that Vick has always effortlessly thrown a beautiful ball where as Tebow clearly doesn't. Vick has certainly had issues with decision making and accuracy but the guy is just so natural. He flicks his wrist and throws lasers. Tebow isn't remotely as natural a passer.

When did passing become a beauty pageant? Throwing lasers is irrelevant. Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning don't throw lasers. They're the best three QBs in the NFL.

Being natural didn't lead to Vick accomplishing anything. When he had Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweig build him back up almost from scratch he became a worthwhile QB.

Tebow is a better overall passer than Vick was at the same age. He's got significantly more motivation and work ethic than Vick did at that age and likely more than he does now. He's also not an idiot, so he's got that in his favor.

cmhargrove
01-11-2011, 03:48 PM
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Odysseus
01-12-2011, 02:53 AM
You think that will take three years? Ha he'll get the same treatment as McD by game ten next season if he does not look Elwayesque. Hell you get snappy at the mention of it.

You mock the power of the Elway? :)

Odysseus
01-12-2011, 03:04 AM
When did passing become a beauty pageant? Throwing lasers is irrelevant. Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning don't throw lasers. They're the best three QBs in the NFL.

Being natural didn't lead to Vick accomplishing anything. When he had Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweig build him back up almost from scratch he became a worthwhile QB.

Tebow is a better overall passer than Vick was at the same age. He's got significantly more motivation and work ethic than Vick did at that age and likely more than he does now. He's also not an idiot, so he's got that in his favor.

Vick admitted as much and is considerably more thankful to be in the league than when he started. I admire Vick for changing who he was and look forward to seeing him improve next year.

Lord Elway brings with him the power of the ring. It would be a beautiful story to have him personally pass the torch to Tebow.