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montrose
01-09-2011, 05:39 PM
* Elway has hired search firm Russell-Reynolds to consult on the hire.

* Mularkey will interview, they've agreed to meet at a later date.

* Fox would have to take a paycut for this job.

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broncogary
01-09-2011, 05:44 PM
* Elway has hired search firm Russell-Reynolds to consult on the hire.

* Mularkey will interview, they've agreed to meet at a later date.

* Fox would have to take a paycut for this job.

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You've just gotta love the committee approach. LOL

bpc
01-09-2011, 05:44 PM
So have they mentioned how much we're looking to pay a coach, because WormTongue Joe Ellis said they would pay 8 COACHES if they had to, to get this thing right but now it sounds like we're doing the small market deal trying to get coaches to come here on the cheap.

More misleading info from the leadership in Dove Valley. John, I expect you to bring more transparency to the gig.

Requiem
01-09-2011, 05:46 PM
Thanks for the updates, Montrose.

footstepsfrom#27
01-09-2011, 05:48 PM
A search firm to help find a football coach? I wonder if anybody else has ever done that?

oubronco
01-09-2011, 05:48 PM
Nice

rbackfactory80
01-09-2011, 05:51 PM
I just saw the job posted on Craigslist.

ro_50
01-09-2011, 05:54 PM
A search firm to help find a football coach? I wonder if anybody else has ever done that?

College programs do it often but NFL teams, I'm not so sure if they do or not.

CEH
01-09-2011, 05:56 PM
I like it .

We are trying to find a leader of men .
Qualities probably outlined as to what makes a successful leader.
The coordinators will have more of a direct impact on Xs and Os.

I said when Mulkary postponed that is an executive search not a job fair so propective coaches better bring their A game and be ready to outline how to bring this franchise back to the top

I also beleive they will provide a physicalogical view of clients after the little dictator took them for a ride that they did not see coming

Gutless Drunk
01-09-2011, 05:57 PM
http://www.russellreynolds.com/

"Executive Search

Executive recruiting has been the cornerstone of our business since the firm was founded in 1969. Our rigorous search process starts by gaining a thorough understanding of the strategic goals of each client, the specific leadership roles and competencies needed to meet those goals, and the culture of the organization. Focusing on these underlying qualities allows us to take a broader, more creative approach in identifying potential candidates - particularly important as traditional industry silos are dissolving and new industries are emerging.
Our best team for each client

We are diligent when defining the position specification, to ensure we assemble a team of consultants with the subject-matter, functional and regional expertise to support the engagement. The team draws on its high-level professional networks, industry knowledge and internal research resources to give it a broad reach in identifying potential candidates.
A competency-based approach to candidate evaluation and peer benchmarking

Candidates are evaluated against both the agreed-upon competencies and requirements and their industry peers. We provide detailed information to clients for the selection of an initial slate of candidates. We continue to manage the process during the interview stage, gathering feedback and managing candidate expectations.
In-depth assessment of candidates in search

In-depth evaluation of short-listed candidates (internal candidates as well as external) provides includes:

* Psychometric testing using online leadership questionnaires and in-depth behavioral interviews by leadership assessment specialists
* Culture fit assessment - measured by conducting a diagnosis of the organization’s culture—either as it is now or as dictated by the organization’s strategic plan—and identifying levels of high, medium or low fit; this information can be helpful in onboarding and ongoing development.
* Expert industry perspective - Our assessment expertise is complemented by close collaboration with our industry-specific consultants - market leaders in their domains.

Identifying and cultivating leaders and leadership teams that can take an enterprise to sustained business success is an ongoing process. It begins with defining and recruiting the right people, and continues with developing a robust succession pipeline for key positions and ongoing assessment of the leadership team in the face of new challenges and opportunities. Russell Reynolds Associates works with its clients in all facets of this process."

Meh....I'd prefer a real football GM do this hiring.

TonyR
01-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Good news on Mularkey. The search firm thing seems a bit weird, though...

Dr. Broncenstein
01-09-2011, 06:02 PM
Maybe the search firm will suggest Mike Nolan.

TonyR
01-09-2011, 06:02 PM
Fox would have to take a paycut for this job.


According to this link Fox was making $6.5 million.

http://catcrave.com/2010/01/12/bill-cowher-john-fox-weighing-in-on-carolinas-coaching-debat/

Kaylore
01-09-2011, 06:03 PM
i just saw the job posted on craigslist.

lol

OrangeSe7en
01-09-2011, 06:05 PM
A search firm to help find a football coach? I wonder if anybody else has ever done that?

Chicago did it when hiring their GM.

frerottenextelway
01-09-2011, 06:06 PM
Searching for a new head coach....

<img src="http://www.thecartoonpictures.com/data/media/116/Scooby_doo_desktop.jpg" width=450>

OrangeSe7en
01-09-2011, 06:06 PM
Good news on Mularkey. The search firm thing seems a bit weird, though...

Not really. And hopefully the fact that he postponed, doesnt create this perception that he's the prized candidate.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-09-2011, 06:07 PM
I think this is all good news. I don't care if they need until after the Super Bowl to find the right guy. Far more important is the new staff is here a loooooonnnng time.

Maybe the Russell-Reynolds leadership assessment would have uncovered Josh couldn't play well in the sand box with his assistant coaches :)

Gutless Drunk
01-09-2011, 06:07 PM
Chicago did it when hiring their GM.

Jerry Angelo? We're doomed!

Did they ask his thoughts regarding the core competency of an having an offensive line?

Likwid Kerruj
01-09-2011, 06:07 PM
A consultation firm?

Wouldn't a magic 8 ball have been cheaper and more useful?

Dr. Broncenstein
01-09-2011, 06:10 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KGvyNUAEndE/TBg25GcVRbI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/IO_un0Weliw/s1600/bobs.jpg

What a consulting firm might look like.

Hamrob
01-09-2011, 06:13 PM
Good stuff. I wonder how the Search Firm is helping him.

Interviewing techniques/questions
Behavioral/personality mapping

Interesting in deed!

Kaylore
01-09-2011, 06:14 PM
It's so weird seeing Doctor Cox there.

BroncoInferno
01-09-2011, 06:15 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KGvyNUAEndE/TBg25GcVRbI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/IO_un0Weliw/s1600/bobs.jpg

What a consulting firm might look like.

Reports now indicate that Michael Bolton has the inside track on the job.

baja
01-09-2011, 06:15 PM
John did say he knew what he didn't know and would hire to that. Thus the Search firm. Good move John.

Tombstone RJ
01-09-2011, 06:16 PM
IMHO, by hiring a search firm it kinda makes the Broncos front office seem more incompetent than anything. Hope I'm wrong here...

Dr. Broncenstein
01-09-2011, 06:16 PM
Namdi Assamu... ah... Namdi gonna ever sign this guy.

Popps
01-09-2011, 06:18 PM
Wow... so a few hours ago, Elway was a hapless slob being crapped on around here.

Now it sounds like he just might know what he's doing.

I have a crazy idea... maybe we should all give this thing a little time to play out before trying to make definitive judgments about it? Just a thought.

McDman
01-09-2011, 06:19 PM
Wow... so a few hours ago, Elway was a hapless slob being crapped on around here.

Now it sounds like he just might know what he's doing.

I have a crazy idea... maybe we should all give this thing a little time to play out before trying to make definitive judgments about it? Just a thought.

Pffffsshhhht. That's stupid.

baja
01-09-2011, 06:19 PM
Wow... so a few hours ago, Elway was a hapless slob being crapped on around here.

Now it sounds like he just might know what he's doing.

I have a crazy idea... maybe we should all give this thing a little time to play out before trying to make definitive judgments about it? Just a thought.

Where's the fun in that???

CEH
01-09-2011, 06:21 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KGvyNUAEndE/TBg25GcVRbI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/IO_un0Weliw/s1600/bobs.jpg

What a consulting firm might look like.

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Bob Slydell: Would you bear with me for just a second, please?
Perry Fewell: OK.
Bob Slydell: What if - and believe me this is a hypothetical - but what if you were offered some kind of a stock option equity sharing program. Would that do anything for you?
Perry Fewell: I don't know, I guess. Listen, I'm gonna go. It's been really nice talking to both of you guys.
Bob Slydell: Absolutely, the pleasure's all on this side of the table, trust me.
Perry Fewell: Good luck with your hiring, all right? I hope your firings go really well.
Bob Porter: Excellent.
Bob Slydell: Great... Wow.

frerottenextelway
01-09-2011, 06:21 PM
There were like 4 people crapping on Elway who just kept repeating themselves. Everyone else was crapping on Peter King for his reckless speculation.

Dedhed
01-09-2011, 06:23 PM
I have a crazy idea... maybe we should all give this thing a little time to play out before trying to make definitive judgments about it? Just a thought.

Why would we do that when we can stroke our egos by pretending that we know more about how to go about this than Elway, Xanders, and Bowlen do?

broncogary
01-09-2011, 06:27 PM
Wow... so a few hours ago, Elway was a hapless slob being crapped on around here.

Now it sounds like he just might know what he's doing.

I have a crazy idea... maybe we should all give this thing a little time to play out before trying to make definitive judgments about it? Just a thought.

Where do you get this?

Vegas_Bronco
01-09-2011, 06:41 PM
Michael Bolton...why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks.

No talent azz clown!

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 06:45 PM
* Elway has hired search firm Russell-Reynolds to consult on the hire.

* Mularkey will interview, they've agreed to meet at a later date.

* Fox would have to take a paycut for this job.

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1. I am actually supportive of the idea of hiring a professional search firm for assistance. As Ro 50 pointed out, college teams do this all the time (although the point man for those college teams is Chuck Neinas not this firm). I don't trust Wormtongue/Xanders/Elway to come up with the right answer, so they need all the help they can get. Props for recognizing their need for assistance.

2. Meh. Not a horrible or great hire, if he interviews fine...whatever.

3. BPC brought up a good point. IF this statement is true (i.e. that Fox would have to take a pay cut), it would suggest that we are indeed going on the cheap (again IF that is true, and we dont know that yet), which makes Joe Ellis out to be a liar...again. Not that it's a big shock. He really does need a good punch in the dick from Joe Mays....preferably with some brass knuckles, too. IMO, it would give Joe a better perspective on things.

theAPAOps5
01-09-2011, 06:50 PM
So have they mentioned how much we're looking to pay a coach, because WormTongue Joe Ellis said they would pay 8 COACHES if they had to, to get this thing right but now it sounds like we're doing the small market deal trying to get coaches to come here on the cheap.

More misleading info from the leadership in Dove Valley. John, I expect you to bring more transparency to the gig.

Now you are just coming across as a petulant child. They fired you hated McD. They are being extremely transparent with everything, including filming the interviews.

I thought it was just pure hatred for the McD regime that sent you off the deep end. Now I wonder if its more than that.

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 06:54 PM
Now you are just coming across as a petulant child. They fired you hated McD. They are being extremely transparent with everything, including filming the interviews.

I thought it was just pure hatred for the McD regime that sent you off the deep end. Now I wonder if its more than that.

Nick, bpc raised a legitimate point. IF what Casserly said is true (and its a big If).....then it WOULD expose Joe Ellis as a liar on that issue (again).

OrangeSe7en
01-09-2011, 06:55 PM
IMHO, by hiring a search firm it kinda makes the Broncos front office seem more incompetent than anything. Hope I'm wrong here...

The fact that they were dazzled by McDaniels power point presentation 2 years ago, doesnt do that already?

gunns
01-09-2011, 06:55 PM
I wish Rivera's name were on that list. Hell I don't know who's going to be and not going to be a good coach but I'd look at a ton of people.

CEH
01-09-2011, 06:56 PM
Wow... so a few hours ago, Elway was a hapless slob being crapped on around here.

Now it sounds like he just might know what he's doing.

I have a crazy idea... maybe we should all give this thing a little time to play out before trying to make definitive judgments about it? Just a thought.

Let me go check Ozzie Newsomes' twitter account to find out how he felt about Joe Flacco's performance today. Oh that's right he doesn't have one. OK I bet Ted Thompson has some good things to say about Aarron Rodgers let me check. Oh damn he doesn't have one either

I see two distinct activities coming out of DOve Valley. The social media barage trying to get the lost fan back in the fold and the actual football related activites of putting together a football team. I just believe John needs to concentrate at the main problem at hand fixing the football side.

I know he's just the vechicle for the Twitter account and probably never has seen a twitter account in his life so I think you can be supportive of actual football related activites and be leary of the PR side as well.

One could translate to success on the field the other may make Pat a little more money

Guess which one I'm more concerned with?

theAPAOps5
01-09-2011, 06:57 PM
Nick, bpc raised a legitimate point. IF what Casserly said is true (and its a big If).....then it WOULD expose Joe Ellis as a liar on that issue (again).

No, I know you hate the ownership but I am just thinking that BPC will never be happy. Don't get me wrong I think he is knowledgeable but at this point the only time he comes around is to complain.

McD was an utter failure he was right, but I think anything short of Shanahan coming back won't satisfy him. And Shanny coming back would be an epic failure.

Dedhed
01-09-2011, 06:57 PM
Now you are just coming across as a petulant child. They fired you hated McD. They are being extremely transparent with everything, including filming the interviews.

I thought it was just pure hatred for the McD regime that sent you off the deep end. Now I wonder if its more than that.

He is a petulant child who is still butt-sore that Shanahan, and his mastery of mediocrity, was let go. He can't get over it, but likes to point the finger at people like tsi and baja who are acting exactly like he has.

Popps
01-09-2011, 06:58 PM
I wish Rivera's name were on that list. Hell I don't know who's going to be and not going to be a good coach but I'd look at a ton of people.

I believe it is. Can't remember where I read it, but one source said it was almost a certainty that we'd interview him. I'd be surprised if we didn't.

baja
01-09-2011, 07:01 PM
He is a petulant child who is still butt-sore that Shanahan, and his mastery of mediocrity, was let go. He can't get over it, but likes to point the finger at people like tsi and baja who are acting exactly like he has.

Hey what do you mean!

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 07:02 PM
No, I know you hate the ownership but I am just thinking that BPC will never be happy. Don't get me wrong I think he is knowledgeable but at this point the only time he comes around is to complain.

McD was an utter failure he was right, but I think anything short of Shanahan coming back won't satisfy him. And Shanny coming back would be an epic failure.

Whether bpc will ever be happy with what they put forward has no bearing on whether his point was right. The fact is if Fox has to take a pay cut to come here, it would demonstrate that Wormtongue lied again, no matter who is making that point.

Incidentally, I think if Dennison was hired as our coach and we brought back the old offense for Tebow and paired RD with a really good DC, that would be a great step in the right direction. Baby steps. You've got to get back to .500 before you can even think about 14-2. :thumbsup:

Dedhed
01-09-2011, 07:02 PM
Let me go check Ozzie Newsomes' twitter account to find out how he felt about Joe Flacco's performance today. Oh that's right he doesn't have one. OK I bet Ted Thompson has some good things to say about Aarron Rodgers let me check. Oh damn he doesn't have one either

I see two distinct activities coming out of DOve Valley. The social media barage trying to get the lost fan back in the fold and the actual football related activites of putting together a football team. I just believe John needs to concentrate at the main problem at hand fixing the football side.

I know he's just the vechicle for the Twitter account and probably never has seen a twitter account in his life so I think you can be supportive of actual football related activites and be leary of the PR side as well.

One could translate to success on the field the other may make Pat a little more money

Guess which one I'm more concerned with?
Yeah, because the way McD shut the franchise off from the world was awesome for everyone. And it would have been great if the crap that King threw against the wall was allowed to fester for a few days.

It's the 21st century, deal with it. The media butt wipes will employ every possible resource to get crap out there, whether it's true or not. The more tools you have to combat them, the better.

The more inside info I can get on the Broncos, the better.

Dedhed
01-09-2011, 07:04 PM
Hey what do you mean!

Sorry to drag you into this, but you did blow a bit of a gasket there :)

jrmarden
01-09-2011, 07:05 PM
* Fox would have to take a paycut for this job.

Very interesting.. He is currently unemployed.. I know they said Bowlen wouldn't pony up for a good established coach but this is a little ridiculous.

theAPAOps5
01-09-2011, 07:06 PM
And SoCal you think Fox taking a pay cut makes Denver cheap? Dude he made 5 million with the Panthers one of the highest paid coaches in the NFL, and while he is a good coach he shouldn't garner that much money.

Its not being cheap, its paying a guy his worth. Fox doesn't deserve to be one of the highest paid coaches at this point. That could change later but not right now.

I think its crazy Harbaugh just got roughly 5 million per year in San Fran. The guy is an unknown.

baja
01-09-2011, 07:06 PM
Sorry to drag you into this, but you did blow a bit of a gasket there :)

Well it didn't last for months and months. I'm over it and I have hope now that Pat has stepped aside and handed the reigns to the trusted Elway. It was the only move I could have embraced really because I have no confidence in Pat bless his heart.

theAPAOps5
01-09-2011, 07:08 PM
Whether bpc will ever be happy with what they put forward has no bearing on whether his point was right. The fact is if Fox has to take a pay cut to come here, it would demonstrate that Wormtongue lied again, no matter who is making that point.

Incidentally, I think if Dennison was hired as our coach and we brought back the old offense for Tebow and paired RD with a really good DC, that would be a great step in the right direction. Baby steps. You've got to get back to .500 before you can even think about 14-2. :thumbsup:

Actually he should take a pay cut. He isn't and shouldn't be considered a top level coach at this point. He got stuck with crap that is unfair but there are coaches that are a level above him.

Likwid Kerruj
01-09-2011, 07:09 PM
Fox and Marty Hurney were at odds for YEARS in Carolina.

I'm sure he wants more of a voice in the personnel on his next stop.

McDman
01-09-2011, 07:10 PM
Let me go check Ozzie Newsomes' twitter account to find out how he felt about Joe Flacco's performance today. Oh that's right he doesn't have one. OK I bet Ted Thompson has some good things to say about Aarron Rodgers let me check. Oh damn he doesn't have one either

I see two distinct activities coming out of DOve Valley. The social media barage trying to get the lost fan back in the fold and the actual football related activites of putting together a football team. I just believe John needs to concentrate at the main problem at hand fixing the football side.

I know he's just the vechicle for the Twitter account and probably never has seen a twitter account in his life so I think you can be supportive of actual football related activites and be leary of the PR side as well.

One could translate to success on the field the other may make Pat a little more money

Guess which one I'm more concerned with?

You're right, those 140 character tweets really take most of his attention away from football.

The guy isn't writing a novel, he's giving tiny quips about what's going on. It's not taking away his concentration in any way.

I think it's a good move. The FO has realized that the fans have been alienated and pushed away by the last coach and now they're doing something to bring them back.

baja
01-09-2011, 07:14 PM
You're right, those 140 character tweets really take most of his attention away from football.

The guy isn't writing a novel, he's giving tiny quips about what's going on. It's not taking away his concentration in any way.

I think it's a good move. The FO has realized that the fans have been alienated and pushed away by the last coach and now they're doing something to bring them back.

No kidding. I find it fascinating that people would find fault with this new transparency. This is something 100% of fans that regularly post here have wanted for years and now that it's here they complain. Amazing!!!!

Dr. Broncenstein
01-09-2011, 07:24 PM
No kidding. I find it fascinating that people would find fault with this new transparency. This is something 100% of fans that regularly post here have wanted for years and now that it's here they complain. Amazing!!!!

I'd like to know what is up with Pat, while we're being all transparenty. Small concerns of mine, like his slurred speech for starters.

theAPAOps5
01-09-2011, 07:29 PM
I'd like to know what is up with Pat, while we're being all transparenty. Small concerns of mine, like his slurred speech for starters.

The local media have eluded to health issues and I think its a valid concern. People accuse him of being drunk but I think its nothing of the sort. There are rumors of Alzheimers and I worry about his state especially when he says he has short term memory issues.

baja
01-09-2011, 07:30 PM
I'd like to know what is up with Pat, while we're being all transparenty. Small concerns of mine, like his slurred speech for starters.

I am sure you know they are not going to go there until they have a buyer lined up to buy the team.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-09-2011, 07:32 PM
The local media have eluded to health issues and I think its a valid concern. People accuse him of being drunk but I think its nothing of the sort. There are rumors of Alzheimers and I worry about his state especially when he says he has short term memory issues.

I am being completely serious when I say it was apparent to me that he could barely talk at the Elway introduction. It was shocking... yet not a single word in the printed press about it, aside from the previously mentioned "rumors."

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 07:33 PM
I am sure you know they are not going to go there until they have a buyer lined up to buy the team.

They can't sell. There's still the Kaiser problem.

baja
01-09-2011, 07:38 PM
They can't sell. There's still the Kaiser problem.

I believe in large part this is why John is in the position he is in. It is the first step to transferring power to John and accommodate the court's decision. You should be happy about this So Cal. The only other option would have been is to let Pat flounder around al davis style or let the secretive and possibly self-serving ellis run things. at least in Elway we have a guy loyal to Bowlen and a guy who loves the Broncos. I'd say we came out pretty damn good considering the options.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-09-2011, 07:42 PM
I believe in large part this is why John is in the position he is in. It is the first step to transferring power to John and accommodate the court's decision. You should be happy about this So Cal. The only other option would have been is to let Pat flounder around al davis style or let the secretive and possibly self-serving ellis run things. at least in Elway we have a guy loyal to Bowlen and a guy who loves the Broncos. I'd say we came out pretty damn good considering the options.

This is how I see it too. Even if Bowlen becomes mentally incapacitated, he'll most likely live another 15-20 years if kept under adequate supervision.

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 07:43 PM
I believe in large part this is why John is in the position he is in. It is the first step to transferring power to John and accommodate the court's decision. You should be happy about this So Cal. The only other option would have been is to let Pat flounder around al davis style or let the secretive and possibly self-serving ellis run things. at least in Elway we have a guy loyal to Bowlen and a guy who loves the Broncos. I'd say we came out pretty damn good considering the options.

The better option still would have been to fire Joe Ellis, allow Elway to have a prominent role on the marketing side of things ONLY and turn all football related power over to someone from the outside, who had proven and well respected FO credentials.

OrangeSe7en
01-09-2011, 07:53 PM
The better option still would have been to fire Joe Ellis, allow Elway to have a prominent role on the marketing side of things ONLY and turn all football related power over to someone from the outside, who had proven and well respected FO credentials.

Stop pretending like head coaching candidates who do power point presentations aren't better than candidates who don't.

CEH
01-09-2011, 07:54 PM
You're right, those 140 character tweets really take most of his attention away from football.

The guy isn't writing a novel, he's giving tiny quips about what's going on. It's not taking away his concentration in any way.

I think it's a good move. The FO has realized that the fans have been alienated and pushed away by the last coach and now they're doing something to bring them back.

You can tweet about being happy to be part of the orgainzation

I'm talking about the infighting with the media

Once again show me any VP of operations in any major sport who is enaging in media infighting and maybe I'll change my mind. I doubt you will find one and for good reason. They're time is more imporant than to tweet about being misquoted

I bet a dollar to a donut over the next 2 months and beyond you see see nothing but positve tweets and any media misquoting will be ignored. He will stop using Twitter to fight with the media. It's a losing propostion

baja
01-09-2011, 07:54 PM
The better option still would have been to fire Joe Ellis, allow Elway to have a prominent role on the marketing side of things ONLY and turn all football related power over to someone from the outside, who had proven and well respected FO credentials.

I guess our basic difference is I chose to bestow my confidence in a man that has been the face of the Broncos for 20 some years that is known to be loyal to both Pat Bowlen and the Broncos and who is saying all the right things IMO that would indicate he is up to the job while you would rather extend your trust and loyalty to some yet to be named person with a nice resume to be entrusted with the future of the Broncos. Sorry pal I'll go with Elway.

BTW you are not going to make Ellis just disappear over night but John is there to shine the light on him and his dirty little secrets if he has them.

The big change is Elway has Pat's ear now not Ellis and that is the best you could have hoped for at this time.

Chris
01-09-2011, 07:54 PM
Very sad to think what might be happening with Bowlen. I hope he's alright.

TheProfessor
01-09-2011, 08:00 PM
So far in his VERY limited stay, Elway has shown good comunication skills and a level of media savy in his use of twitter "touch points" and his rah, rah, opening speah. He is now showing a willingness to do what is needed to get the job done without worrying about his ego. Brining in a consulting firm like this shows he is willing to listen to experts to help make his decision... I like that.

So far so good!

OrangeSe7en
01-09-2011, 08:02 PM
The local media have eluded to health issues and I think its a valid concern. People accuse him of being drunk but I think its nothing of the sort. There are rumors of Alzheimers and I worry about his state especially when he says he has short term memory issues.

Wouldn't you "elude" from? Isn't that kind of the point?

Jay3
01-09-2011, 08:07 PM
Not really. And hopefully the fact that (Mularkey) postponed, doesnt create this perception that he's the prized candidate.

He rejected us. I find that . . . . irresistible.

OrangeSe7en
01-09-2011, 08:09 PM
He rejected us. I find that . . . . irresistible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFxpiSNHJA

Bronco Rob
01-09-2011, 08:12 PM
"I'd like to move us right along to Josh McDaniels. Now we had a chance to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him."

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KGvyNUAEndE/TBg25GcVRbI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/IO_un0Weliw/s1600/bobs.jpg




;)

Play2win
01-09-2011, 08:13 PM
So far in his VERY limited stay, Elway has shown good comunication skills and a level of media savy in his use of twitter "touch points" and his rah, rah, opening speah. He is now showing a willingness to do what is needed to get the job done without worrying about his ego. Brining in a consulting firm like this shows he is willing to listen to experts to help make his decision... I like that.

So far so good!

There is definitely a difference in management style to say the least. If I dare say, a more contemporary management style. I definitely have high hopes, and like the way things are going.

montrose
01-09-2011, 08:14 PM
"I'd like to move us right along to Josh McDaniels. Now we had a chance to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him."

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KGvyNUAEndE/TBg25GcVRbI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/IO_un0Weliw/s1600/bobs.jpg




;)

/End Thread.

baja
01-09-2011, 08:14 PM
So far in his VERY limited stay, Elway has shown good comunication skills and a level of media savy in his use of twitter "touch points" and his rah, rah, opening speah. He is now showing a willingness to do what is needed to get the job done without worrying about his ego. Brining in a consulting firm like this shows he is willing to listen to experts to help make his decision... I like that.

So far so good!

Co-sign

baja
01-09-2011, 08:24 PM
There is definitely a difference in management style to say the least. If I dare say, a more <b> contemporary management style.</b> I definitely have high hopes, and like the way things are going.

I'd add innovation and following instincts. I think there is a very good chance Elway will end up running the Broncos the way he ran the huddle all those years, with excellence.

I understand there are those that will argue but he has no experience. When you have bona fide "It" you can transcend the fat resume.

He has earned a wait and see period of time. Like the professor said "So far so good"

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-09-2011, 08:27 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KGvyNUAEndE/TBg25GcVRbI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/IO_un0Weliw/s1600/bobs.jpg

What a consulting firm might look like.

What would you say... ya do here?

Dedhed
01-09-2011, 08:27 PM
Well it didn't last for months and months. I'm over it and I have hope now that Pat has stepped aside and handed the reigns to the trusted Elway. It was the only move I could have embraced really because I have no confidence in Pat bless his heart.
True. Socal still has tears in his eyes over Shanny.

I'm with you on Pat. I don't think he has confidence in himself anymore so he's turned to the guy he trusts more than anyone else to pull the franchise from the ashes that Shanny/and McD created.

Play2win
01-09-2011, 08:41 PM
I'd add innovation and following instincts. I think there is a very good chance Elway will end up running the Broncos the way he ran the huddle all those years, with excellence.

I understand there are those that will argue but he has no experience. When you have bona fide "It" you can transcend the fat resume.

He has earned a wait and see period of time. Like the professor said "So far so good"

Exactly. These are exciting times, indeed. I like that there seems to be a focused thought process and applied intelligence, along with project management scope and resources. Instead of just a hire, there seems to be something more comprehensive going on here.


Color me excited :)

strafen
01-09-2011, 08:42 PM
Good stuff. I wonder how the Search Firm is helping him.

Interviewing techniques/questions
Behavioral/personality mapping

Interesting in deed!Something like that.
They're trying to find the best profile that matches their criteria...

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 08:46 PM
True. Socal still has tears in his eyes over Shanny.

I'm with you on Pat. I don't think he has confidence in himself anymore so he's turned to the guy he trusts more than anyone else to pull the franchise from the ashes that Shanny/and McD created.

1. It's true, I am still bothered by that.

2. I'm glad we all agree on Pat...and he SHOULDN'T have any confidence in himself, either, because he's completely ****ed everything up. Even if you believe it was right to get rid of Shanny, it is hard to dispute the notion that Bowlen has set in motion a change of events that has made alot worse than we ever were with Shanny. It's nice that he gave power to someone he trusts, but that by itself isn't what makes things work. The person in charge can't just have good intentions, but they have to be ready to tackle all the hard issues and be prepared adequately for them. I have no doubt whatsoever Elway will try as best as he can to do well for us, but that doesn't mean he is adequately prepared, seasoned, skilled and ready for such a difficult task.

baja
01-09-2011, 08:56 PM
1. It's true, I am still bothered by that.

2. I'm glad we all agree on Pat...and he SHOULDN'T have any confidence in himself, either, because he's completely ****ed everything up. Even if you believe it was right to get rid of Shanny, it is hard to dispute the notion that Bowlen has set in motion a change of events that has made alot worse than we ever were with Shanny. It's nice that he gave power to someone he trusts, but that by itself isn't what makes things work. The person in charge can't just have good intentions, but they have to be ready to tackle all the hard issues and be prepared adequately for them. I have no doubt whatsoever Elway will try as best as he can to do well for us, but that doesn't mean he is adequately prepared, seasoned, skilled and ready for such a difficult task.

All I'm suggesting is to give him a chance to prove himself. You are doing to John FQuking Elway just what you did with Josh McDaniels, condemning him right out of the box. Don't you think John deserves a honeymoon?

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 09:04 PM
All I'm suggesting is to give him a chance to prove himself. You are doing to John FQuking Elway just what you did with Josh McDaniels, condemning him right out of the box. Don't you think John deserves a honeymoon?

How am I condeming him? All I said was that he wasn't getting a honeymoon from me. If we had hired DeCosta I would have given him a honeymoon because he deserved one on the merits. People that are proven get honeymoons, people that aren't...don't.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 09:19 PM
How am I condeming him? All I said was that he wasn't getting a honeymoon from me. If we had hired DeCosta I would have given him a honeymoon because he deserved one on the merits. People that are proven get honeymoons, people that aren't...don't.

If only your opinion mattered one bit in regard to his job security.

tsiguy96
01-09-2011, 09:21 PM
very happy to see mularkey interviewing, hope he gets the job and hires a solid DC

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 09:26 PM
If only your opinion mattered one bit in regard to his job security.

You're right..it doesnt matter....none of ours do, actually, but the whole point of a discussion board is to exchange opinions and ideas.

Rohirrim
01-09-2011, 09:28 PM
I'm sending in my resume.

baja
01-09-2011, 09:29 PM
You're right..it doesnt matter....<b>none of ours do, </b>actually, but the whole point of a discussion board is to exchange opinions and ideas.

Mine does. Elway just bought the condo next to Mike's

bowtown
01-09-2011, 09:30 PM
I'm sending in my resume.

Like Ellis would give a left wing elitest like you the time of day... Common folk only need apply. We need someone who is going to coach from the gut.

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 09:32 PM
Mine does. Elway just bought the condo next to Mike's

John doesn't seem like a turkey sandwich kind of guy, tho.

baja
01-09-2011, 09:38 PM
John doesn't seem like a turkey sandwich kind of guy, tho.

Roast beef.

baja
01-09-2011, 09:41 PM
How am I condeming him?<b> All I said was that he wasn't getting a honeymoon from me.</b> If we had hired DeCosta I would have given him a honeymoon because he deserved one on the merits. People that are proven get honeymoons, people that aren't...don't.

Some day life is going to give you an opportunity to question the wisdom of prejudging.

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 09:44 PM
Some day life is going to give you an opportunity to question the wisdom of prejudging.

Again, it has nothing to do with prejudging. It simply has to do with not going in with a presumption of correctness. If I agree with something I'll laud it (e.g. hiring a search firm), if I don't, I'll prolly criticize it. No different than anyone else on here.

Hulamau
01-09-2011, 09:51 PM
Wow... so a few hours ago, Elway was a hapless slob being crapped on around here.

Now it sounds like he just might know what he's doing.

I have a crazy idea... maybe we should all give this thing a little time to play out before trying to make definitive judgments about it? Just a thought.

The Mane would implode in 30 seconds if at least one knee-jerk, over-the-top thread predicting calamity and 30 years of doom wasn't posted ...

baja
01-09-2011, 09:51 PM
Again, it has nothing to do with prejudging. It simply has to do with not going in with a presumption of correctness. If I agree with something I'll laud it (e.g. hiring a search firm), if I don't, I'll prolly criticize it.<b> No different than anyone else on here.

Your posts have a clear flavor of expected (Broncos) failure about them. Do you not know this?

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 09:55 PM
Your posts have a clear flavor of expected (Broncos) failure about them. Do you not know this?

And?

It still comes down to individual moves. I praised the search firm thing since I thought that was a good step and I criticized the verbal gaffe thing since I thought that was a rookie mistake. Do I think they'll do a smashing wonderful job? No. Is that totally Elway's fault? No. He's stepping into a minefield without an adequate support staff and without adequate skill. He IS trying to help...who wouldn't want to try and lead the Broncos out of this mess. I know I would, but does that mean I should be the one to handle it? Ofcourse not.

baja
01-09-2011, 10:11 PM
And?

It still comes down to individual moves. I praised the search firm thing since I thought that was a good step and I criticized the verbal gaffe thing since I thought that was a rookie mistake. Do I think they'll do a smashing wonderful job? No. Is that totally Elway's fault? No. He's stepping into a minefield without an adequate support staff and without adequate skill. He IS trying to help...who wouldn't want to try and lead the Broncos out of this mess. I know I would, but does that mean I should be the one to handle it? Ofcourse not.


"And?"

You said you were approaching this like everyone else and I am pointing out you are measurably more judgmental and not really taking a wait and see position which is your right to do.

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 10:16 PM
"And?"

You said you were approaching this like everyone else and I am pointing out you are measurably more judgmental and not really taking a wait and see position which is your right to do.

No....I said that like everyone else, if I agree with a move I'll give it props and if I don't, I'll probably criticize it. That doesn't necessarily mean I have no opinion one way or another as to whether I think their arrangement will work out or whether it was a good idea. They are two different concepts.

For example, if they made Rich Kotite the coach tomorrow, I probably would not agree with that and I would think he would most likely fail. But if on Day 8 of the job, Coach Kotite announced that DJ would be going into the team's ROF before he even retired, I would definitely give him props. ;D

strafen
01-09-2011, 10:30 PM
How am I condeming him? All I said was that he wasn't getting a honeymoon from me. If we had hired DeCosta I would have given him a honeymoon because he deserved one on the merits. People that are proven get honeymoons, people that aren't...don't.That's not how I see Elway. I was able to watch 3 one-on-one interviews tonight from local channels, and Elway said he's ready to make the tough decision the team best interest
Yhis is not a time for experiments.
Elway knows it and he won't be wasting time in setting the ball on motion.
He hasn't been on the job a week yet...

bpc
01-09-2011, 10:30 PM
Now you are just coming across as a petulant child. They fired you hated McD. They are being extremely transparent with everything, including filming the interviews.

I thought it was just pure hatred for the McD regime that sent you off the deep end. Now I wonder if its more than that.

I could care less what you think i'm coming across as. I want a winner in Denver, sooner the better. When things don't add up, it's reasonable to bring it up.

Right now we have an awkward situation in the FO that I hope Elway will rectify. His press conference the other day had me the most pumped i've been in years for this franchise so that's all good and dandy.

In terms of the transparency, you have Joe Ellis talking about Denver being willing to pay 8 coaches if that's what it takes to get a winner. This douchebag statement was followed up with speculation that Denver would be willing to take on John Fox at a severe discount. Negotiating through the media stinks like **** and is not the transparency i'm looking for. If Denver said they are going to pay to win, how come we haven't even heard some of the best coaches out there mentioned for interviews? Not saying they would come but if you're serious about winning, why haven't we brought up Cowher?

When it comes down to it, Joe Ellis is Denver's version of Worm Tongue from LOTR's. He'll say whatever it takes to pacify you but if you connect the dots his statements are not truth, hence we why need a search committee to compile a list of failure HC's the first time around and we want to be nice enough to give them their second crack at it. Silly. It's not committed to winning, it's trying to get somebody who is humbled to work on the cheap.

My final issue here is why do we need a search committee and I haven't heard anybody bring up Ron Rivera's name as a potential coach? He's probably the most viable candidate out there on a division rivals team? He's already on his second interview with Carolina, what the F' are we waiting for? His track record speaks for itself AND he would weaken a divisional opponent. We're wasting time trying to twist Mularkey's arm into interviewing but wasting time on guys we could have. It's like the Rex Ryan thing all over again. We didn't even interview the guy, instead we got infatuated with McDaniels. The rest is history.

All things being said, I hope we have some transparency on the type of money we're looking to spend on coaches and upgrades to a very poorly talented roster. If we're being cheap with coaches I can only imagine we're going to be a wall-flower if/when FA comes around.

I'm rooting hardcore for Elway (and i'm even pulling for Xanders to prove the masses wrong) to turn this ship around and make us respectable again. Watching all that playoff football going on makes me realize how much I miss Denver being relevant.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 10:50 PM
I could care less what you think i'm coming across as. I want a winner in Denver, sooner the better. When things don't add up, it's reasonable to bring it up.

Right now we have an awkward situation in the FO that I hope Elway will rectify. His press conference the other day had me the most pumped i've been in years for this franchise so that's all good and dandy.

In terms of the transparency, you have Joe Ellis talking about Denver being willing to pay 8 coaches if that's what it takes to get a winner. This douchebag statement was followed up with speculation that Denver would be willing to take on John Fox at a severe discount. Negotiating through the media stinks like **** and is not the transparency i'm looking for. If Denver said they are going to pay to win, how come we haven't even heard some of the best coaches out there mentioned for interviews? Not saying they would come but if you're serious about winning, why haven't we brought up Cowher?

When it comes down to it, Joe Ellis is Denver's version of Worm Tongue from LOTR's. He'll say whatever it takes to pacify you but if you connect the dots his statements are not truth, hence we why need a search committee to compile a list of failure HC's the first time around and we want to be nice enough to give them their second crack at it. Silly. It's not committed to winning, it's trying to get somebody who is humbled to work on the cheap.

My final issue here is why do we need a search committee and I haven't heard anybody bring up Ron Rivera's name as a potential coach? He's probably the most viable candidate out there on a division rivals team? He's already on his second interview with Carolina, what the F' are we waiting for? His track record speaks for itself AND he would weaken a divisional opponent. We're wasting time trying to twist Mularkey's arm into interviewing but wasting time on guys we could have. It's like the Rex Ryan thing all over again. We didn't even interview the guy, instead we got infatuated with McDaniels. The rest is history.

All things being said, I hope we have some transparency on the type of money we're looking to spend on coaches and upgrades to a very poorly talented roster. If we're being cheap with coaches I can only imagine we're going to be a wall-flower if/when FA comes around.

I'm rooting hardcore for Elway (and i'm even pulling for Xanders to prove the masses wrong) to turn this ship around and make us respectable again. Watching all that playoff football going on makes me realize how much I miss Denver being relevant.

Cowher isn't an option. Get over it.

Elway has talked about trying to get an interview with Rivera. Not sure what's going on there, but he has been mentioned.

You need to chill out and be patient. This is nothing like the process that led to McD being hired.

Play2win
01-09-2011, 11:53 PM
You need to chill out and be patient. This is nothing like the process that led to McD being hired.

Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:


Yeah, right... that's going to happen...