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OBF1
01-09-2011, 10:30 AM
Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha's contract voided and he will be allowed to become a free agent without the Oakland Raiders being able to use their franchise tag on him, according to an NFL Players Association document.

Asomughaís deal included a little-known clause that said his contract would void if he didnít achieve his not-likely-to-be-earned incentives in 2010 -- and he didn'ít.

His contract also contained a stipulation that if he didnít achieve his incentives, the Raiders would agree not to designate him their franchise or transition player.

To achieve his incentives, Asomugha had to play in a greater number of defensive plays in 2010 than he did in 2009, and this season Asomugha played in only 14 games whereas he played in all 16 in 2009.

He also could have achieved his incentives by improving upon on his interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season -- but he didn't have any interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season.

He will be the top defensive player available whenever free agency begins.


Lets bring him in and forget about Peterson in the draft and go D-line. Thoughts?

RhymesayersDU
01-09-2011, 10:31 AM
Already a thread on this, albeit with a weird title.

PRBronco
01-09-2011, 10:32 AM
Already a thread on this, albeit with a weird title.

Maybe that's why there's so many repeat threads these days?

RhymesayersDU
01-09-2011, 10:33 AM
Maybe that's why there's so many repeat threads these days?

Yeah I didn't get the "Scrabble" reference. Is that his nickname?

PRBronco
01-09-2011, 10:34 AM
Yeah I didn't get the "Scrabble" reference. Is that his nickname?

It's new to me :S

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 10:35 AM
Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha's contract voided and he will be allowed to become a free agent without the Oakland Raiders being able to use their franchise tag on him, according to an NFL Players Association document.

Asomughaís deal included a little-known clause that said his contract would void if he didnít achieve his not-likely-to-be-earned incentives in 2010 -- and he didn'ít.

His contract also contained a stipulation that if he didnít achieve his incentives, the Raiders would agree not to designate him their franchise or transition player.

To achieve his incentives, Asomugha had to play in a greater number of defensive plays in 2010 than he did in 2009, and this season Asomugha played in only 14 games whereas he played in all 16 in 2009.

He also could have achieved his incentives by improving upon on his interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season -- but he didn't have any interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season.

He will be the top defensive player available whenever free agency begins.


Lets bring him in and forget about Peterson in the draft and go D-line. Thoughts?

Guy is going to be expensive and in high demand. He'd be a great acquisition, especially if we lose Champ, but I doubt it happens.

theAPAOps5
01-09-2011, 10:36 AM
Yeah if I don't understand the title I don't read it. So to me this is the first thread on it! Thanks, CBF1

UberBroncoMan
01-09-2011, 10:40 AM
Imagine Peterson on one side, Nnamdi on the other and Champ at FS.

Impossible to happen but cool to think about.

Doggcow
01-09-2011, 10:53 AM
Imagine Peterson on one side, Nnamdi on the other and Champ at FS.

Impossible to happen but cool to think about.

Impossible? Like Seattle mugging New Orleans impossible?

tsiguy96
01-09-2011, 10:56 AM
Impossible? Like Seattle mugging New Orleans impossible?

no, like denver winning the SB this year impossible

Dagmar
01-09-2011, 10:59 AM
Does anyone remember when the mods used to give a **** and merged duplicate threads?

bronco militia
01-09-2011, 11:47 AM
back on topic...

LMAO AT THE RAIDERS OFFSEASON!!!!!!

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 11:48 AM
Does anyone remember when the mods used to give a **** and merged duplicate threads?

There are mods here? :kiddingme

fdf
01-09-2011, 11:49 AM
Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha's contract voided and he will be allowed to become a free agent without the Oakland Raiders being able to use their franchise tag on him, according to an NFL Players Association document.

Asomughaís deal included a little-known clause that said his contract would void if he didnít achieve his not-likely-to-be-earned incentives in 2010 -- and he didn'ít.

His contract also contained a stipulation that if he didnít achieve his incentives, the Raiders would agree not to designate him their franchise or transition player.

To achieve his incentives, Asomugha had to play in a greater number of defensive plays in 2010 than he did in 2009, and this season Asomugha played in only 14 games whereas he played in all 16 in 2009.

He also could have achieved his incentives by improving upon on his interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season -- but he didn't have any interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season.

He will be the top defensive player available whenever free agency begins.


Lets bring him in and forget about Peterson in the draft and go D-line. Thoughts?

He's going to cost too much. Peterson, if we could get him, will be WAY less expensive. That money could go toward less expensive free agents to shore up the huge holes in our team while we build with the draft.

We'll be a better team for having this guy out of the conference. Hope he signs with an NFC team.

HAT
01-09-2011, 11:51 AM
Does anyone remember when the mods used to give a **** and merged duplicate threads?

Call out post....Straight to the Butt!

:~ohyah!:

edog24
01-09-2011, 12:32 PM
Don't we have a bunch of money to spend on FA? Let's make it happen.

Dagmar
01-09-2011, 12:38 PM
Call out post....Straight to the Butt!

:~ohyah!:

lol

It's not a call out at all, it is something I have noticed recently, it used to be the case that the 2 Nmadi threads on the front page would have been merged, the 2 Perry Fewell interview threads would have been merged etc. Not sure why it stopped.

bowtown
01-09-2011, 01:15 PM
Yeah I didn't get the "Scrabble" reference. Is that his nickname?

Yes, it's his nickname. Surprised people don't know this.

OBF1
01-09-2011, 01:26 PM
Yes, it's his nickname. Surprised people don't know this.

Why would we???

bowtown
01-09-2011, 01:29 PM
Why would we???

It's the nickname of a high profile player in our division. Raider's fans use it all the time. I just thought it was a pretty well known thing... guess I was wrong.

ghostofjosh
01-09-2011, 01:32 PM
none of it will matter unless we are able to generate a pass rush

epicSocialism4tw
01-09-2011, 01:45 PM
No thanks.

Did you guys see Mebane dominating the line of scrimmage yesterday? Probably not since nobody watches what goes on at the line of scrimmage.

Thats our guy.

Naggle Nole
01-09-2011, 02:14 PM
No thanks.

Did you guys see Mebane dominating the line of scrimmage yesterday? Probably not since nobody watches what goes on at the line of scrimmage.

Thats our guy.

I second that

If we decide to go 4-3, I can see a great start to the offseason materializing

Hire Fewell or Fox, get a guy like Mebane in FA, plus a Bowers/Fairley at #2
That wouldn't solve our D-line problems all at once, but that would be a hell of a start

Bronco Yoda
01-09-2011, 02:18 PM
I'd do this ONLY if we lose Champ.

UberBroncoMan
01-09-2011, 02:49 PM
If we have the $ to get him AND Champ AND Harris (assuming we go back to ZBS) then definitely go after him and move Champ to FS.

Oh, and holly **** look at all their FA's btw.

"Pro Bowl defensive tackle Richard Seymour, safety Michael Huff, cornerback Stanford Routt, tight end Zach Miller, left guard Robert Gallery and running back Michael Bush are among the Raiders' other potential free agents."

If Oakland goes cheap they are going to be ****ed next year.

broncogary
01-09-2011, 02:52 PM
If we have the $ to get him AND Champ AND Harris (assuming we go back to ZBS) then definitely go after him and move Champ to FS.

Oh, and holly **** look at all their FA's btw.

"Pro Bowl defensive tackle Richard Seymour, safety Michael Huff, cornerback Stanford Routt, tight end Zach Miller, left guard Robert Gallery and running back Michael Bush are among the Raiders' other potential free agents."

If Oakland goes cheap they are going to be ****ed next year.

And you'd think that with a rookie salary cap in place, the saved money would go to veteran free agents, so they should be cash-strapped.

listopencil
01-09-2011, 04:57 PM
Lets sign Asomugha, draft Peterson and move champ to Free Safety this year.

fontaine
01-09-2011, 05:01 PM
How could you not want to sign an elite CB?

Anyone think the trade for Champ wasn't a great one? I hope we sign him because that's one more draft pick we can use on the DL instead.

Naggle Nole
01-09-2011, 05:02 PM
Lets sign Asomugha, draft Peterson and move champ to Free Safety this year.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t-CfgFk8jfk/R8bhGqp384I/AAAAAAAAAXo/WiJ0pcrQHP8/s320/fat-joe-make-it-rain.jpg

:~ohyah!:

orinjkrush
01-09-2011, 05:05 PM
hmmm, let's see one pro bowl cornerback versus a crap shoot in the draft. hmmm.

listopencil
01-09-2011, 05:10 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t-CfgFk8jfk/R8bhGqp384I/AAAAAAAAAXo/WiJ0pcrQHP8/s320/fat-joe-make-it-rain.jpg

:~ohyah!:

Hell yeah. And then get us some fat ass D-Linemen out of the draft from Round Two on down.

bowtown
01-09-2011, 05:11 PM
hmmm, let's see one pro bowl cornerback versus a crap shoot in the draft. hmmm.

Well considering one is most likely going to cost millions less per year than the other... yeah, I might take the gamble on the rookie.

epicSocialism4tw
01-09-2011, 06:00 PM
If we have the $ to get him AND Champ AND Harris (assuming we go back to ZBS) then definitely go after him and move Champ to FS.

Oh, and holly **** look at all their FA's btw.

"Pro Bowl defensive tackle Richard Seymour, safety Michael Huff, cornerback Stanford Routt, tight end Zach Miller, left guard Robert Gallery and running back Michael Bush are among the Raiders' other potential free agents."

If Oakland goes cheap they are going to be ****ed next year.

Denver should snag Seymour, Miller, Huff, and Gallery and call it an offseason.

listopencil
01-09-2011, 09:44 PM
Denver should snag Seymour, Miller, Huff, and Gallery and call it an offseason.

Damn. Actually....that would work, lol.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 09:49 PM
How could you not want to sign an elite CB?

Anyone think the trade for Champ wasn't a great one? I hope we sign him because that's one more draft pick we can use on the DL instead.

The trade for Champ was great because Portis turned out to be a lot less than Washington was expecting. I'll take a true franchise back over an elite corner any day of the week though. It's not even close.

peacepipe
01-09-2011, 09:57 PM
The trade for Champ was great because Portis turned out to be a lot less than Washington was expecting. I'll take a true franchise back over an elite corner any day of the week though. It's not even close. a RBs life span in football is like 3-5 yrs, an elite CB is like 10+, RBs are a dime a dozen in comparison to CBs like champ. Who was the leading rusher this past yr? was it foster who I think wasn't even drafted. CB & QB are the hardest positions to draft.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 10:01 PM
a RBs life span in football is like 3-5 yrs, an elite CB is like 10+, RBs are a dime a dozen in comparison to CBs like champ. Who was the leading rusher this past yr? was it foster who I think wasn't even drafted. CB & QB are the hardest positions to draft.

I said a franchise back. Those are not a dime a dozen compared to anything. Terrell Davis >>>>> Champ Bailey in terms of value to this franchise. Truly great RBs are only surpassed by truly great QBs in the game of football.

peacepipe
01-09-2011, 10:11 PM
I said a franchise back. Those are not a dime a dozen compared to anything. Terrell Davis >>>>> Champ Bailey in terms of value to this franchise. Truly great RBs are only surpassed by truly great QBs in the game of football.

how long did TD last? he was valueable for a short time.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 10:16 PM
how long did TD last? he was valueable for a short time.

More valuable than Champ has ever been or will ever be. And then there are those backs that had relatively long careers. Seriously, an elite CB will never have the same value as an elite RB. The problem with the trade is that we got an elite CB and they got a good RB. That's a different matter entirely.

peacepipe
01-09-2011, 10:19 PM
More valuable than Champ has ever been or will ever be. And then there are those backs that had relatively long careers. Seriously, an elite CB will never have the same value as an elite RB.champs on his way to the HOF and has made a big differance since signing with denver. I love TD but he'll never see the light of day in the HOF. You also got to remember the system he ran in.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 10:56 PM
champs on his way to the HOF and has made a big differance since signing with denver. I love TD but he'll never see the light of day in the HOF. You also got to remember the system he ran in.

If you think that Champ compares to TD in terms of overall value to a team you have your head completely up your ass. No point in continuing this conversation...

SoCalBronco
01-09-2011, 11:14 PM
Bring in Gallery and Michael Bush.

FireFly
01-09-2011, 11:44 PM
Imagine Peterson on one side, Nnamdi on the other and Champ at FS.

Impossible to happen but cool to think about.

And all three will look bad because with no QB pressure being generated due to all our funds and resources being devoted to the DB's and not our DL or LBs, opposing QB's will have all day to wait until their receivers eventually get open.

fontaine
01-10-2011, 03:41 AM
And all three will look bad because with no QB pressure being generated due to all our funds and resources being devoted to the DB's and not our DL or LBs, opposing QB's will have all day to wait until their receivers eventually get open.

That's why you always draft DL high so that they can play out their rookie contracts and then get resigned 5 years down the line.

We've been doing it backa$$wards for years in devoting almost a dozen high picks to DBs and going it cheap on the DL. How's that working out for us?

The best CB we have outside of Champ is a potential rapist with serious character issues.

TonyR
01-10-2011, 09:12 AM
Interesting read on this topic.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_17053405?nclick_check=1

bronco militia
01-10-2011, 09:15 AM
How could you not want to sign an elite CB?

Anyone think the trade for Champ wasn't a great one? I hope we sign him because that's one more draft pick we can use on the DL instead.

it was a great trade because the broncos got great value for Clinton Portis. But the results are mixed. One playoff win, a AFC champ game and that's only after the broncos finally went out and got some help on the DL (Browncos).

it's time to spend the money on the front seven (and resign Champ)

ZONA
01-10-2011, 09:44 AM
For me it would depend on just how much it would take to sign Champ. If he's still wanting close to elite CB dollars when in another year he's probably going to be playing safety, I'd have to try and get Nnamdi in here. If you're talking about paying top dollar either way, I'd rather pay an elite CB who's in his prime and has a good 8 years or so left in him. If you can land him, then you don't need Peterson, and we can move down in the draft and probably pick up an extra 2nd rounder for this year and next year just by swapping places in the first round.