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bronco0608
01-09-2011, 11:06 AM
Does it? Should John Fox even be on our list? To hear Carolina Panther fan speak, he is the worst coach in the NFL.

Wait, he DID have the worst record in the NFL.

You can't go from 2-14 to another job, can you?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-09-2011, 11:08 AM
Cool thread.

Popps
01-09-2011, 11:10 AM
Depends who you believe. Fox has had success in the past, and the word was that Carolina wanted to go with a youth movement and he wasn't so into that concept.

I'm fine with bringing him in as long as we've got some real offensive gurus staffing out that side of the ball.

We could do much worse than Fox, imo.

Even great coaches have bad seasons. Sometimes franchises just have to go through it.

tsiguy96
01-09-2011, 11:10 AM
way to ignore the entire body of work he had at carolina. i dont want him as HC because his teams are basically boring to watch, but doesnt change the fact that hes a qualified guy to lead a team.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 11:13 AM
Does it? Should John Fox even be on our list? To hear Carolina Panther fan speak, he is the worst coach in the NFL.

Wait, he DID have the worst record in the NFL.

You can't go from 2-14 to another job, can you?

He also led them to a Super Bowl...

jmz313
01-09-2011, 11:13 AM
His body of work there was decent though. 1 Super bowl appearence. Not my first choice but He's a decent coach and will get a hc job again.

Im nkt sure if he called the shots in regards to personel. But that is what let them down the last few years. Team just lost talent it seemed.

Popps
01-09-2011, 11:13 AM
way to ignore the entire body of work he had at carolina. i dont want him as HC because his teams are basically boring to watch, but doesnt change the fact that hes a qualified guy to lead a team.

Tebow will take care of that. :)

theAPAOps5
01-09-2011, 11:16 AM
I understand the concern but you also have to look at what he was given to use. The owner who wants to fix the CBA that he convinced the owners to agree to has dumped salary and talent in lieu of the coming lockout.

I don't think he is the best candidate but there are worse out there.

Drek
01-09-2011, 11:25 AM
Does it? Should John Fox even be on our list? To hear Carolina Panther fan speak, he is the worst coach in the NFL.

Wait, he DID have the worst record in the NFL.

You can't go from 2-14 to another job, can you?

Sure. Because your average NFL fan knows what they're talking about, right?

Fox was handicapped by a cheap owner who made it clear Fox wasn't getting a new contract. Fox was then saddled with losing one of his best players (Peppers) to FA and starting a UDFA project QB or a 2nd rounder that basically every team passed on the first time through.

Once the season started he lost a good number of his key guys to injury and next thing you know his team is in a full on tail spin.

Fox has proven himself over the years to be a VERY good defensive HC and he brings a staff that develops an excellent OL and running game. He's probably the only HC who will move us back to a 4-3 that I'd be happy with because his 4-3 kicks ass and he brings the requisite no nonsense toughness that will remove the half assed attitude this team has had since Plummer was shown the door half way through the '06 season.

The big question with Fox is who he'd bring in for OC. Keeping McCoy doesn't seem like that great of an option. We'd need to find a legit OC for him who can develop Tebow.

broncswin
01-09-2011, 11:26 AM
do your homework before starting this thread

Smilin Assassin
01-09-2011, 11:27 AM
Jeff Fisher had a lousy year as well. I don't think there'd be any second guessing had we been able to interview him.....

Hercules Rockefeller
01-09-2011, 11:27 AM
way to ignore the entire body of work he had at carolina. i dont want him as HC because his teams are basically boring to watch, but doesnt change the fact that hes a qualified guy to lead a team.

So it's not good enough if they win, they need style points too?

Pseudofool
01-09-2011, 11:28 AM
The big question with Fox is who he'd bring in for OC. Keeping McCoy doesn't seem like that great of an option. We'd need to find a legit OC for him who can develop Tebow.Maybe Ben McDaniels should stick around, at least as QB coach.

PRBronco
01-09-2011, 11:29 AM
John Fox is a damn good coach. The problem in Carolina was the absolute **** team they had. Anyone know how much say he had in personnel moves?

PRBronco
01-09-2011, 11:31 AM
Maybe Ben McDaniels should stick around, at least as QB coach.

After the way Josh has been thrown under the bus by Elway and Xanders? I don't think he'll be very enthused about hanging around. Especially if Josh is getting another job right away.

tsiguy96
01-09-2011, 11:32 AM
So it's not good enough if they win, they need style points too?

didnt say that, but it doesnt hurt to have a team thats entertaining to watch. football is after all entertainment, and run run pass repeat can get boring.

Orange4Life
01-09-2011, 11:33 AM
I like Fox a lot better than some of the other names on our list. IMO he is on of our top three candidates. I think his overall body of work is solid.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-09-2011, 11:36 AM
didnt say that, but it doesnt hurt to have a team thats entertaining to watch. football is after all entertainment, and run run pass repeat can get boring.

You didn't, but you did.

Most of us wants Ws, and if they're boring as **** and go 19-0, no one is going to cry about it.

LRtagger
01-09-2011, 11:38 AM
As others have mentioned his body of work was tremendous. He always put a good defense and running game on the field, even with an enept QB like Delhomme. His record this year was poor because their best players were let go, Deangelo Williams was hurt a majority of the season, and he had the worst QB situation in the NFL forced on him by ownership. Their record reflects solely on ownership, not coaching. He turned that franchise around and made them relevant - something he could possibly do here.

It also didnt help that they played in probably the best division in football this year.

CEH
01-09-2011, 11:41 AM
Does it? Should John Fox even be on our list? To hear Carolina Panther fan speak, he is the worst coach in the NFL.

Wait, he DID have the worst record in the NFL.

You can't go from 2-14 to another job, can you?

Most coaches don't make it past five years. They need to move on as well as the team needs to move on.

We need a sound defensive structure and if he can provide that and give us a good 3 years so be it. He may be a rebound coach but his defenses are pretty sounds. We need to get back to about 300 points allowed on defense consistently coupled with our offense we should be in good shape. Then it comes back to drafting well

Watching KC, Charles and Berry are difference makers. Young guys that can change a game.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 11:52 AM
didnt say that, but it doesnt hurt to have a team thats entertaining to watch. football is after all entertainment, and run run pass repeat can get boring.

I can't think of any offense other than that that I would run with Jake Delhomme. Tebow >>>>> Delhomme.

Pony Boy
01-09-2011, 12:03 PM
A better question to ask is why is the NFL coaching profession a closed fraternity? It's a large merry-go-round with the same horses and you must be a former coach, player or member of one of the royal families to qualify. Thatís the one glass ceiling that will never be broken by an outsider.

bronco0608
01-09-2011, 12:33 PM
Since we are interviewing Fox, I have some other coaches to keep in mind:

Dennis Green
Rod Marinelli

cmhargrove
01-09-2011, 12:35 PM
Does it? Should John Fox even be on our list? To hear Carolina Panther fan speak, he is the worst coach in the NFL.

Wait, he DID have the worst record in the NFL.

You can't go from 2-14 to another job, can you?

Contrast that with McD's record before he became our HC. Any problems with the theory?

theAPAOps5
01-09-2011, 12:41 PM
Since we are interviewing Fox, I have some other coaches to keep in mind:

Dennis Green
Rod Marinelli

Not good at this football thing are you.

Garcia Bronco
01-09-2011, 12:42 PM
It makes double sense.

frerottenextelway
01-09-2011, 12:44 PM
Since we are interviewing Fox, I have some other coaches to keep in mind:

Dennis Green
Rod Marinelli

Marinelli is a tremendous football coach. I don't think we'll even given him a look tho with the 0-16 in Detroit. The Lions are coach killers.

Hamrob
01-09-2011, 12:55 PM
No thanks. If Fox comes to Denver...our offense will be the most boring, predictable offense in the NFL. Why...because his offensive coordinators suck!

See McCoy!

jerad_geiger10
01-09-2011, 12:58 PM
way to ignore the entire body of work he had at carolina. i dont want him as HC because his teams are basically boring to watch, but doesnt change the fact that hes a qualified guy to lead a team.

couldn't agree more. more than qualified to be a head coach, not the best choice, but a solid one.

boppool
01-09-2011, 01:04 PM
Records of the candidates' final season as an NFL HC:

Dom Caper, 2005 (Hou): 2-14 (49-81 overall)
Mark Mularkey, 2006 (Buf) 5-11 (14-18 overall)
Gregg Williams, 2003 (Buf) 6-10 (17-31 overall)

John Fox,2010 (Car) 2-14 (78-74 overall)

I understand Fox had a bad season, but I'll like his overall record.

Likwid Kerruj
01-09-2011, 01:06 PM
When you're the second worst team, anything goes.

TheReverend
01-09-2011, 01:15 PM
Depends who you believe. Fox has had success in the past, and the word was that Carolina wanted to go with a youth movement and he wasn't so into that concept.

I'm fine with bringing him in as long as we've got some real offensive gurus staffing out that side of the ball.

We could do much worse than Fox, imo.

Even great coaches have bad seasons. Sometimes franchises just have to go through it.

You do recall calling me a Raider fan for seeing upside on our 8-8 2008 team for this exact reason (only significantly better than 2-14), right?

wyobronco
01-09-2011, 05:13 PM
Gene Chizik took over a 4-8 Iowa State team and then went 3-9 and 2-10. Everybody said Auburn was crazy to hire him. Doesn't look too bad now.

listopencil
01-09-2011, 05:44 PM
didnt say that, but it doesnt hurt to have a team thats entertaining to watch. football is after all entertainment, and run run pass repeat can get boring.



You're right, I'd much rather have run run run pass run run run pass run run run SCORE. And then once we scored, show some more commitment to the run.

tsiguy96
01-09-2011, 05:52 PM
You're right, I'd much rather have run run run pass run run run pass run run run SCORE. And then once we scored, show some more commitment to the run.

hey i want commitment to the run too especially when its working, but some flash and excitement doesnt hurt either :egbgb:

fontaine
01-09-2011, 05:57 PM
It's NOT about just the HC for Denver.

We're a badly broken team right now as much as it pains me to say. No DL, an aging secondary, a QB that's at least two years from being a settled pocket passer, no DC, no OC, a scouting department that makes the raiders draft picks look good, and an OL with a soft interior, and nothing at the TE position.

So right now we need a HC who has a track record of putting together a solid staff on both sides of the ball and can actually put together a draft instead of trading away good players and high draft picks for a bunch of magic beans and a potential rapist. And at the same time has the decency and self assuredness to seek advice when making personnel moves instead of not even consulting the GM and not doing crap about taping of an opponent's walkthrough.

I know it's asking for a lot but I'll start by hoping our next HC isn't a fist pumping, egoistic dumba$$.

listopencil
01-09-2011, 05:59 PM
hey i want commitment to the run too especially when its working, but some flash and excitement doesnt hurt either :egbgb:

Well...I guess we could let Tebow run some of those times...

bendog
01-09-2011, 06:28 PM
Gene Chizik took over a 4-8 Iowa State team and then went 3-9 and 2-10. Everybody said Auburn was crazy to hire him. Doesn't look too bad now.

Maybe we should buy a qb (-:

gyldenlove
01-09-2011, 08:09 PM
Records of the candidates' final season as an NFL HC:

Dom Caper, 2005 (Hou): 2-14 (49-81 overall)
Mark Mularkey, 2006 (Buf) 5-11 (14-18 overall)
Gregg Williams, 2003 (Buf) 6-10 (17-31 overall)

John Fox,2010 (Car) 2-14 (78-74 overall)

I understand Fox had a bad season, but I'll like his overall record.

Fox took over a 1-15 team and went 7-9 the first year, made it to the super bowl the 2nd year.

There were many things wrong in Carolina this season, Fox was only a piece of the puzzle.

tsiguy96
01-09-2011, 08:30 PM
It's NOT about just the HC for Denver.

We're a badly broken team right now as much as it pains me to say. No DL, an aging secondary, a QB that's at least two years from being a settled pocket passer, no DC, no OC, a scouting department that makes the raiders draft picks look good, and an OL with a soft interior, and nothing at the TE position.

So right now we need a HC who has a track record of putting together a solid staff on both sides of the ball and can actually put together a draft instead of trading away good players and high draft picks for a bunch of magic beans and a potential rapist. And at the same time has the decency and self assuredness to seek advice when making personnel moves instead of not even consulting the GM and not doing crap about taping of an opponent's walkthrough.

I know it's asking for a lot but I'll start by hoping our next HC isn't a fist pumping, egoistic dumba$$.

last 2 drafts havent been all that bad, and from what the people in the know here say, we have a top notch scouting department

McDman
01-09-2011, 08:33 PM
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fontaine
01-10-2011, 04:56 AM
last 2 drafts havent been all that bad, and from what the people in the know here say, we have a top notch scouting department

We had 8 picks in the first two rounds the last two years (could have had more I think but via trades to move up etc) and here's what we got.


2010
1 22 Demaryius Thomas WR Georgia Tech - will be very good soon but we already had BMarshall so it's really a wash here.

1 25 Tim Tebow QB Florida - at least two years away and even then if he does very well it's no big gain in the short term because we already had Cutler.

2 13 Zane Beadles G Utah - Still too early to tell for him (or Walton) but our these guys struggled badly. When you draft Guards and Centers this high you expect them to really be very good players in their 2nd/3rd years so we'll see.


2009
1 12 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia - decent back
1 18 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee - decent OLB still mostly potential.
2 5 Alphonso Smith DB Wake Forest - bust
2 16 Darcel McBath DB Texas Tech - backup
2 32 Richard Quinn TE North Carolina - bust


Tebow/Thomas shouldn't be compared to BMarsh/Cutler but effectively they were brought in to replace those guys because they were drafted from the picks off the trades.

That's two busts so far, two decent players, and two unkowns. Considering the number of high picks and where they were drafted, that's pretty awful.

tsiguy96
01-10-2011, 04:58 AM
We had 8 picks in the first two rounds the last two years (could have had more I think but via trades to move up etc) and here's what we got.


2010
1 22 Demaryius Thomas WR Georgia Tech - will be very good soon but we already had BMarshall so it's really a wash here.

1 25 Tim Tebow QB Florida - at least two years away and even then if he does very well it's no big gain in the short term because we already had Cutler.

2 13 Zane Beadles G Utah - Still too early to tell for him (or Walton) but our these guys struggled badly. When you draft Guards and Centers this high you expect them to really be very good players in their 2nd/3rd years so we'll see.


2009
1 12 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia - decent back
1 18 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee - decent OLB still mostly potential.
2 5 Alphonso Smith DB Wake Forest - bust
2 16 Darcel McBath DB Texas Tech - backup
2 32 Richard Quinn TE North Carolina - bust


Tebow/Thomas shouldn't be compared to BMarsh/Cutler but effectively they were brought in to replace those guys because they were drafted from the picks off the trades.

That's two busts so far, two decent players, and two unkowns. Considering the number of high picks and where they were drafted, that's pretty awful.

mcbath is the big nickel safety right now, and will probably be starting next year. has shown a lot in terms of covering TEs in nickel. agree with the rest of it, but it still doesnt change that the drafts were not that bad in terms of who you got, they just werent great.

ghostofjosh
01-10-2011, 06:34 AM
he would be a great hire..he was a stud with the Giants,and was overall very good at Carolina,and hell bring a toughness weve been lacking

BroncosMT
01-10-2011, 07:58 AM
I thought I had heard that he was going back to the Giants as the HC in waiting when Coughlin is done? Look for this if we don't hire him