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gunns
01-09-2011, 09:46 AM
Jerome Bettis, RB (1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Tim Brown, WR/KR (1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

Cris Carter, WR (1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins)

Dermontti Dawson, C (1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Richard Dent, DE (1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles)

Chris Doleman, DE/LB (1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers)

Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

Charles Haley, DE/LB (1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys)

*Chris Hanburger, LB (1965-78 Washington Redskins)

Cortez Kennedy, DT (1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks)

Curtis Martin, RB (1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets)

Andre Reed, WR (1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins)

*Les Richter, LB (1954-62 Los Angeles Rams)

Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

Ed Sabol, Contributor (1964-1995 NFL Films)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)

Taco John
01-09-2011, 09:47 AM
Wow. Lot of well deserving names there.

gunns
01-09-2011, 09:49 AM
I would expect the HOF to take Jerome Bettis and Curtis Martin who I don't believe are HOF, not yet anyway. That's the way they seem to roll.

elsid13
01-09-2011, 10:19 AM
Bettis isn't a HOF running back. Sharpe should be in this time.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 10:26 AM
Watch Sharpe get snubbed again...

strafen
01-09-2011, 10:30 AM
I would expect the HOF to take Jerome Bettis and Curtis Martin who I don't believe are HOF, not yet anyway. That's the way they seem to roll.Me too.
Not this time around.
Shannon, however, has paid his due and needs to go in this time around as the 4th Bronco ever to make it to the HoF

frerottenextelway
01-09-2011, 10:30 AM
Sharpe retired with having blown away almost every NFL record for the Tight End position. He changed the game and how that position is played today, and he won 2 Super Bowls here and 1 in Baltimore.

I expect he won't make it. The Peter Kings of the world choose this.

Cmac821
01-09-2011, 10:41 AM
To young to have a complete grasp of the list but Sanders and Faulk should be locked in. Sharpe probably gets disrespected again, but he would have an entertaining induction speech at the least.

Andre Reed, wasn't he very good?

loborugger
01-09-2011, 10:42 AM
Wow. Lot of well deserving names there.

That is the first thing I thought of, too. There is gonna be a lot of disappointed fanbases when this list is chopped down. Sharpe is a HOFer, he just needs to get the votes. I dont know when that year will come, but I hope it comes soon.

strafen
01-09-2011, 10:43 AM
To young to have a complete grasp of the list but Sanders and Faulk should be locked in. Sharpe probably gets disrespected again, but he would have an entertaining induction speech at the least.

Andre Reed, wasn't he very good?Andre Reed played like in 4 SB's with the Buffalo Bills.
He was their number 1 receiver and a good one at the time...

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 10:45 AM
That is the first thing I thought of, too. There is gonna be a lot of disappointed fanbases when this list is chopped down. Sharpe is a HOFer, he just needs to get the votes. I dont know when that year will come, but I hope it comes soon.

Shannon Sharpe changed the position he played. He should've been a first-ballot guy. Now watch as he gets snubbed for the likes of Jerome Bettis or Curtis Martin. It's a joke.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 10:46 AM
Andre Reed played like in 4 SB's with the Buffalo Bills.
He was their number 1 receiver and a good one at the time...

Andre Reed was nowhere near the player that Sharpe was.

loborugger
01-09-2011, 10:54 AM
Shannon Sharpe changed the position he played. He should've been a first-ballot guy. Now watch as he gets snubbed for the likes of Jerome Bettis or Curtis Martin. It's a joke.

No TE has ever been a first ballot HOFer. Even guys like Ditka and Winslow - who did a WHOLE LOT more to transform the position than Sharpe did - werent first ballot HOFers. I am not hating on Sharpe. But look at that list. Its stacked with talent. Now, I agree with you about Martin, I dont think he is a HOFer. Bettis, maybe. The rest of those names? I dont think anyone else on that list doesnt deserve to be in Canton. Unlike other players like Gradishar and TD, I am confident that Sharpe will get in. Its just a matter of when, not if.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 11:02 AM
No TE has ever been a first ballot HOFer. Even guys like Ditka and Winslow - who did a WHOLE LOT more to transform the position than Sharpe did - werent first ballot HOFers. I am not hating on Sharpe. But look at that list. Its stacked with talent. Now, I agree with you about Martin, I dont think he is a HOFer. Bettis, maybe. The rest of those names? I dont think anyone else on that list doesnt deserve to be in Canton. Unlike other players like Gradishar and TD, I am confident that Sharpe will get in. Its just a matter of when, not if.

How did Ditka and Winslow do more to change the TE position than Sharpe? Sharpe was the pototype of what receiving TEs are now. There had never been a TE with his athleticism and hands previously (Kellen Winslow came closest).

randomtask
01-09-2011, 11:02 AM
I'd guess that Cris Carter, Marshall Faulk, Deion Sanders, Willie Roaf, and Shannon Sharpe get in this year.

Hamrob
01-09-2011, 11:32 AM
Great List. Faulk and Sanders are definitely in. After that...Sharpe is right there. He should go in this year! There aer many other great players on this list...but, none that you could legitimately say was better than Shannan Sharpe!!!

Jason in LA
01-09-2011, 12:19 PM
I have a big problem with seeing Bettis and Martin on the list. Very good for a very long time but never great. They weren't anywhere near as good as Terrell Davis. Even with TD's short career he accomplished way more than those two guys. I think longevity should be a factor, but in some cases it means more than it should.

And I feel the same way about Tim Brown. Very good, but never great. He, like Bettis and Martin, played so long that they compiled a boat load of stats. To me that doesn't make a player great.

Agamemnon
01-09-2011, 12:23 PM
I have a big problem with seeing Bettis and Martin on the list. Very good for a very long time but never great. They weren't anywhere near as good as Terrell Davis. Even with TD's short career he accomplished way more than those two guys. I think longevity should be a factor, but in some cases it means more than it should.


I completely agree. Neither of those guys ever played at the level TD did. Neither of them carried their team to back to back Super Bowls. Neither of them are the greatest postseason back of all-time. It's kind of sad...

brncs_fan
01-09-2011, 12:29 PM
Tim Brown, WR/KR (1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)

Requiem
01-09-2011, 12:40 PM
And I feel the same way about Tim Brown. Very good, but never great. He, like Bettis and Martin, played so long that they compiled a boat load of stats. To me that doesn't make a player great.

He was a nine time Pro-Bowler and had nine seasons in a row where he had over 75 catches and a 1,000 yards. ~20,000 All-Purpose yards in his career. 100 touchdowns.

Some of the best numbers all-time, and it really doesn't have to do with the time he played. After his rookie season, he didn't do much for a few years. It is that 9 year stretch that accumulated almost everything of worth for Troy and he did that consistently from age 27 to 35.

He is absolutely deserving of the Hall of Fame.

epicSocialism4tw
01-09-2011, 01:03 PM
I have a big problem with seeing Bettis and Martin on the list. Very good for a very long time but never great. They weren't anywhere near as good as Terrell Davis. Even with TD's short career he accomplished way more than those two guys. I think longevity should be a factor, but in some cases it means more than it should.

And I feel the same way about Tim Brown. Very good, but never great. He, like Bettis and Martin, played so long that they compiled a boat load of stats. To me that doesn't make a player great.

Longevity has its place, but its certainly placed behind greatness. Good points.

KipCorrington25
01-09-2011, 01:06 PM
Bettis is so overrated in my opinion, for being a big fat slob he was fairly athletic but he never really threw his weight around like they seem to say. I'd take a healthy Iron Head Heyward in his prime over Bettis anyday.

TheReverend
01-09-2011, 01:10 PM
I wish they'd yank that stupid 5 person limit and just start putting in the people who deserve to be in, whether its 12 or 1

Goobzilla
01-09-2011, 01:43 PM
I'd guess that Cris Carter, Marshall Faulk, Deion Sanders, Willie Roaf, and Shannon Sharpe get in this year.

All broadcasters except for Roaf. Fair or not, keeping your name out there after football seems to help at selection time.

Natedog24
01-09-2011, 01:50 PM
Bettis is so overrated in my opinion, for being a big fat slob he was fairly athletic but he never really threw his weight around like they seem to say. I'd take a healthy Iron Head Heyward in his prime over Bettis anyday.

But Bettis is a Steeler so we can all throw numbers and common sense out the window....

Jason in LA
01-09-2011, 11:45 PM
He was a nine time Pro-Bowler and had nine seasons in a row where he had over 75 catches and a 1,000 yards. ~20,000 All-Purpose yards in his career. 100 touchdowns.

Some of the best numbers all-time, and it really doesn't have to do with the time he played. After his rookie season, he didn't do much for a few years. It is that 9 year stretch that accumulated almost everything of worth for Troy and he did that consistently from age 27 to 35.

He is absolutely deserving of the Hall of Fame.

I wouldn't put too much stock in the Pro Bowls. How many of those was he named to the team, and how many of those was he added to the team after somebody else dropped out. Remember, Vince Young has been to two Pro Bowls already, so what's that really mean? I looked it up a while ago, Brown was named the starter to the Pro Bowl only once in his career, and he was never named to the All Pro team. How often was Brown considered one of the top 2 or 3 WRs in the game in any given year? Maybe once, which was the year that he went for 1408 yards on 104 catches. That was his best year. He has a lot of years in the 1100 to 1300 yard range, which is very good, but there were receivers putting up 1500 yards during that same time period. Tory Holt went over 1600 yards twice, with a best of 1696. Randy Moss has gone over 1400 yards four times, with a best of 1632. Isaac Bruce has a season over 1700 yards, and that's before Kurt Warner showed up. He has another season at nearly 1500 yards. Terrell Owens has two seasons above 1400 yards, compared to Brown's one. And Marvin Harrison, he has a year above 1700, a year above 1600, and a year above 1500. He has four years better than Brown's best year.

Sorry, but Brown was very good, never great. He's a compiler. He wasn't known as a potential HOFer until the very end of his career, when he ended up high on the leader board. To me you know a guy is a HOFer during his prime, not after he's complied a boat load of stats.

extralife
01-10-2011, 12:00 AM
my picks: Sharpe, Faulk, Deion, Cris Carter, Dawson. Doleman and Roaf belong in the hall too.

SoCalBronco
01-10-2011, 12:02 AM
Jerome Bettis, RB (1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Tim Brown, WR/KR (1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

Cris Carter, WR (1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins)

Dermontti Dawson, C (1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Richard Dent, DE (1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles)

Chris Doleman, DE/LB (1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers)

Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

Charles Haley, DE/LB (1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys)

*Chris Hanburger, LB (1965-78 Washington Redskins)

Cortez Kennedy, DT (1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks)

Curtis Martin, RB (1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets)

Andre Reed, WR (1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins)

*Les Richter, LB (1954-62 Los Angeles Rams)

Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

Ed Sabol, Contributor (1964-1995 NFL Films)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)

Deion Sanders
Charles Haley
Richard Dent
Shannon Sharpe
Tim Brown

Agamemnon
01-10-2011, 12:03 AM
I wouldn't put too much stock in the Pro Bowls. How many of those was he named to the team, and how many of those was he added to the team after somebody else dropped out. Remember, Vince Young has been to two Pro Bowls already, so what's that really mean? I looked it up a while ago, Brown was named the starter to the Pro Bowl only once in his career, and he was never named to the All Pro team. How often was Brown considered one of the top 2 or 3 WRs in the game in any given year? Maybe once, which was the year that he went for 1408 yards on 104 catches. That was his best year. He has a lot of years in the 1100 to 1300 yard range, which is very good, but there were receivers putting up 1500 yards during that same time period. Tory Holt went over 1600 yards twice, with a best of 1696. Randy Moss has gone over 1400 yards four times, with a best of 1632. Isaac Bruce has a season over 1700 yards, and that's before Kurt Warner showed up. He has another season at nearly 1500 yards. Terrell Owens has two seasons above 1400 yards, compared to Brown's one. And Marvin Harrison, he has a year above 1700, a year above 1600, and a year above 1500. He has four years better than Brown's best year.

Sorry, but Brown was very good, never great. He's a compiler. He wasn't known as a potential HOFer until the very end of his career, when he ended up high on the leader board. To me you know a guy is a HOFer during his prime, not after he's complied a boat load of stats.

Your philosophy is not the philosophy of the people who actually vote. They prefer long-term consistency over short-term greatness generally speaking. That is why Jerome Bettis and Curtis Martin are on the list of finalists and TD isn't. I think they have it backwards, and so do you it seems. Our opinions don't affect how they vote unfortunately.

strafen
01-10-2011, 12:54 AM
Andre Reed was nowhere near the player that Sharpe was.I didn't say he was.
Both played at different positions...

Archer81
01-10-2011, 01:24 AM
Chad Mustard is not on this list.

Fail.

:Broncos:

broncocalijohn
01-10-2011, 01:37 AM
You could argue almost for anybody on that list including Hanburger. That is going to be a tough one and many votes going to be spread out from those voters that will limit their votes. Here is to Sharpe not waiting anymore years.

OBF1
01-10-2011, 01:48 AM
HOF is supposed to he a collection of the greatest to play in the NFL, Not the guys that hang around year after year never getting injured and putting up a ton of stats, but never being the best. What the HOS has become is a place for the above average and anyone wearing a steelers or cowboys jersey.

ol#7
01-10-2011, 01:59 AM
Definitely need to expand the field of number of guys that can go in every year. When was that put into place and just how many teams existed then anyway? That said, there is such a bias that keeps deserving Broncos out (Gradishar, D. Smith, Atwater, TD, R. Smith, Meck, Tom Jackson, Rich Jackson, Louis Wright etc) that had they played almost anywhere else would have already been in.

Jason in LA
01-10-2011, 02:03 AM
I have a new goal. I'm going to work myself on the HOF voting committee. It might take a while, but I'll get on and get TD in there!