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frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:07 PM
Did Peter King just say that Denver might try and trade Tebow to Minnesota if McD signs there?

TailgateNut
01-08-2011, 02:08 PM
I think King is a loon, but this loony idea appeals to me!

24champ
01-08-2011, 02:08 PM
He also said that he spoke to Elway last night and said that Elway doesn't think Tebow isn't a very good QB.

TD30
01-08-2011, 02:09 PM
Did Peter King just say that Denver might try and trade Tebow to Minnesota if McD signs there?

Just saw that to ridiculous

Archer81
01-08-2011, 02:09 PM
Yup, he did.

And I really doubt Elway would say Tebow is not a "good" NFL QB to Peter King. That entire 26 seconds was complete conjecture.

:Broncos:

OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 02:10 PM
He also said that he spoke to Elway last night and said that Elway doesn't think Tebow isn't a very good QB.

You have double negatives. Just to clarify, are you saying that he said Elway thinks Tebow is OK or not very good?

TonyR
01-08-2011, 02:10 PM
He also said that he spoke to Elway last night and said that Elway doesn't think Tebow isn't a very good QB.

Elway doesn't think Tebow "is" or "isn't" a good QB? I didn't hear it so I want to make sure I know what you're saying here...

Hercules Rockefeller
01-08-2011, 02:10 PM
Didn't he also say before that Elway flat out told him that JE did not think Tebow was a good QB?

Whatever your opinion is John, shut your ****ing mouth to the press. Did you really think that wouldn't be repeated? You're a VP with the Broncos now, not their retired former HoF QB.

txtebow
01-08-2011, 02:11 PM
I think King is a loon, but this loony idea appeals to me!

you're a disgusting cum -quat you illiterate, overweight buffoon. Trade Tebow? R U NUTZZZZZ???

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:11 PM
King sounds full of sh_t, but this should be fun.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 02:11 PM
Anyone who thinks we're not moving forward with Tebow is not in touch with reality. There aren't any prospects in the draft who are more appealing than Tebow, and we're certainly not going to move forward with Orton at this point.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:11 PM
You have double negatives. Just to clarify, are you saying that he said Elway thinks Tebow is OK or not very good?

Double negatives are a no-no.

Archer81
01-08-2011, 02:12 PM
you're a disgusting cum -quat you illiterate, overweight buffoon. Trade Tebow? R U NUTZZZZZ???


Civility is a lost art.



:Broncos:

Bigdawg26
01-08-2011, 02:12 PM
It's funny how today this is coming out because in all the interviews and conferences that Elway and Tebow have been a part of this have never came out.

RocBronc
01-08-2011, 02:12 PM
I think he said that Minnesota would be the aggressor in this situation...

It certainly makes for an interesting scenario... Get multiple high picks for Tebow and we still have Orton to play QB. The fan base would probably be highly opposed to this.

We could potentially get quite a haul for him though.. Could definately make this offseason even more interesting.

txtebow
01-08-2011, 02:13 PM
Civility is a lost art.



:Broncos:

Thundercatzzzzzzz HO!

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 02:13 PM
Yup, he did.

And I really doubt Elway would say Tebow is not a "good" NFL QB to Peter King. That entire 26 seconds was complete conjecture.

:Broncos:He said that Elway said he doesn't think that Tebow isn't a good QB. That's a double negative, which means that Elway does think that Tebow is a good QB.

Maybe King is confused.

seanpgk
01-08-2011, 02:14 PM
Yep, I saw it too. What is going on in Dove Valley???

Steve Prefontaine
01-08-2011, 02:15 PM
This is exactly what King said. Elway told Peter King, "Right now I don't think Tim Tebow is a good NFL quarterback."

I would take that as Tebow needs some work.

King jumped from that all the way to Tebow could be traded to Minnesota if Mcdaniels would land there.

TailgateNut
01-08-2011, 02:15 PM
He also said that he spoke to Elway last night and said that Elway doesn't think Tebow isn't a very good QB.

He doesn't!

TonyR
01-08-2011, 02:15 PM
Whatever your opinion is John, shut your ****ing mouth to the press. Did you really think that wouldn't be repeated? You're a VP with the Broncos now, not their retired former HoF QB.

This is both puzzling and alarming. For one, why would King make up such a thing? For another, why on earth would Elway ever make such a statement on the record?

Archer81
01-08-2011, 02:15 PM
He said that Elway said he doesn't think that Tebow isn't a good QB. That's a double negative, which means that Elway does think that Tebow is a good QB.

Maybe King is confused.


It seemed like King was out there to say something, regardless of the actual reality of the situation in Denver.

:Broncos:

OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 02:15 PM
Pretty sure that King said Elway thinks Tebow is not a very good Quarterback.

Well the double negatives say the opposite of that but any time double negatives get involved it can get confusing.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:16 PM
I'm guessing Elway said what he's said in public, that Tebow is young, raw, and has a lot to work on. King then took that and ran with it like a loon.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 02:17 PM
This is exactly what King said. Elway told Peter King, "Right now I don't think Tim Tebow is a good NFL quarterback."

I would take that as Tebow needs some work.

Okay, that "right now" is really important to the context here. He's not saying he can't be or won't be, just that he isn't today or yet. Huge difference.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm guessing 10 pages in 24 hours.

CEH
01-08-2011, 02:17 PM
Yet 3 letters that changes the whole context

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 02:18 PM
This is both puzzling and alarming. For one, why would King make up such a thing? For another, why on earth would Elway ever make such a statement on the record?

He wouldn't. King is a tool who is running with a quote taken either out of context or misunderstood by a slightly retarded fat man.

Elway probably said something like "I don't think that Tebow isn't going to be a very good quarterback". Implying that he does think Teboe will be a very good QB.

Which Fatty in his limited grasp of the english language took to mean the opposite.

Steve Prefontaine
01-08-2011, 02:18 PM
Okay, that "right now" is really important to the context here. He's not saying he can't be or won't be, just that he isn't today or yet. Huge difference.
Exactly

OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 02:18 PM
This is exactly what King said. Elway told Peter King, "Right now I don't think Tim Tebow is a good NFL quarterback."

I would take that as Tebow needs some work.

King jumped from that all the way to Tebow could be traded to Minnesota if Mcdaniels would land there.

And Elway started out talking about what the Broncos mean to the fans. To dump on Tebow publicly and possibly trade him is the opposite of being sensitive to what the Broncos mean to the fans.

RocBronc
01-08-2011, 02:18 PM
This is exactly what King said. Elway told Peter King, "Right now I don't think Tim Tebow is a good NFL quarterback."

I would take that as Tebow needs some work.

King jumped from that all the way to Tebow could be traded to Minnesota if Mcdaniels would land there.

This... "Right Now" being the key phrase...
Also, it's just conjecture on King's part that with the man crush that McDaniels has on Tebow it's wouldn't be unreasonable for the Vikes to try to acquire Tebow. With McDaniels record of doing unorthodox things I wouldn't count this out...

TailgateNut
01-08-2011, 02:19 PM
And Elway started out talking about what the Broncos mean to the fans. To dump on Tebow publicly and possibly trade him is the opposite of being sensitive to what the Broncos mean to the fans.


Opinions are like assholes.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Exactly

Yup, I think this is much ado about nothing. We've already heard Elway say this more than once.

24champ
01-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Well the double negatives say the opposite of that but any time double negatives get involved it can get confusing.

I deleted that post, because now I am confused. Hilarious!

I took it as King reporting that Elway wasn't high on Tebow and then King insinuating that McD will get the job at Minnesota and talking about a trade can only happen with a new CBA. etc.


Just a weird 26 seconds from King...

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Have to keep an eye on Elways twitter to see if he responds.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 02:20 PM
Well, after this the Broncos are certainly going to have to make a public statement at some point that they are handing over the keys to Tebow.

BigPlayShay
01-08-2011, 02:20 PM
No different than what Elway said in his introductory presser:



"We all agree on one thing: Tim Tebow is a darn good football player," Elway said. "What we have to make him is a darn good quarterback, and that is what we have to figure out."

Read more: Elway says young QB Tebow needs work as a pocket passer - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17021315#ixzz1ATsoDJqL
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

RocBronc
01-08-2011, 02:21 PM
FWIW, The Vikes have the 12th pick in the draft this year...

What would it take for you to consider this trade???

OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 02:22 PM
No different than what Elway said in his introductory presser:



"We all agree on one thing: Tim Tebow is a darn good football player," Elway said. "What we have to make him is a darn good quarterback, and that is what we have to figure out."

Read more: Elway says young QB Tebow needs work as a pocket passer - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17021315#ixzz1ATsoDJqL
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse



Yeah, but its different when he talks to Peter King over the phone and continues harping on that he doesn't think he's a good QB.

meangene
01-08-2011, 02:22 PM
I just rewound and what King said was Elway said right now he does not think Tebow is a good NFL quarterback. My thoughts: (1) Fatass bull****, or (2) he quoted him out of context - i.e. Elway has said Tebow is a good football player and we need to make him a good quarterback, etc. Just what he has been saying. What a douche bag blowhard!

Archer81
01-08-2011, 02:22 PM
Opinions are like a-holes.


Elway wanted the fans to be emorionally invested in the team again. Trading a reason to actually watch the team next year would not help anything.


:Broncos:

snowspot66
01-08-2011, 02:23 PM
I have a question. It's all but certain Frazier will be the next coach for the Vikings. How the hell would McDaniels end up there and how the hell would he have any clout to ask the team to trade for a specific player?

Man-Goblin
01-08-2011, 02:24 PM
So wait, Peter King said that Elway said that he doesn't think Tebow isn't a good QB?

What the **** does that even mean and why do I care so much?

Someone tweet John Elway about this.

Archer81
01-08-2011, 02:24 PM
FWIW, The Vikes have the 12th pick in the draft this year...

What would it take for you to consider this trade???


Nothing. Its not something worth considering.


:Broncos:

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:24 PM
I think there are people in the MSM who really want Elway to fail, for whatever reason.

srphoenix
01-08-2011, 02:24 PM
Pft is now carrying this story... why the hell would he say something even remotely like this? Tebow is the one thing the franchise is holding onto as something positive in the organization, to get rid of him would be a deathblow to the effort of regaining trust in the Broncos. This reeks of either stupidity or journalistic exaggeration. Let's hope its the latter or consider us in the same position as the Raiders.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:24 PM
I have a question. It's all but certain Frazier will be the next coach for the Vikings. How the hell would McDaniels end up there and how the hell would he have any clout to ask the team to trade for a specific player?

He would be the OC, not HC.

TD30
01-08-2011, 02:25 PM
Tim Tebow will be our QB, even John will have a tough sell on not giving the kid 1 year. If it doesn't work out we should be in a good position to get Luck either option is better than having to waste one more minute watching Orton or hoping to the gods that someone like Cam pans out.

Pick Six
01-08-2011, 02:26 PM
you're a disgusting cum -quat you illiterate, overweight buffoon. Trade Tebow? R U NUTZZZZZ???

You can get your point across, without the name calling. Please try it...

hades
01-08-2011, 02:27 PM
We can package Champ and Tebow for 2 seconds, makes perfect sense! LOL

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 02:28 PM
If John was wise, he'd avoid making any statements at all that could be construed as negative evaluatory statements.

The right thing to say there is that Tebow exceeded expectations. He could have used that moment to remind King that he himself struggled mightily as a rookie, but that hard work won out over his career...and that Tebow, if nothing else, is a hard worker.

Man-Goblin
01-08-2011, 02:28 PM
FWIW, The Vikes have the 12th pick in the draft this year...

What would it take for you to consider this trade???

So what are you saying RocBronc?

You're saying the Broncos would have the 2nd and the 12th pick of the draft and they could draft a QB with one of those if they want, and still have Orton? Are you saying that it would basically be like trading Tebow for Mattlet, Gabbert or Newton? Is that what you're saying?

Am I thinking about it? maybe....don't tell anyone, though.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 02:29 PM
Yeah, but its different when he talks to Peter King over the phone and continues harping on that he doesn't think he's a good QB.

He didn't.

bombay
01-08-2011, 02:30 PM
This is exactly what King said. Elway told Peter King, "Right now I don't think Tim Tebow is a good NFL quarterback."

I would take that as Tebow needs some work.

King jumped from that all the way to Tebow could be traded to Minnesota if Mcdaniels would land there.

Yep, that's what he's said repeatedly. Barring an overwhellming offer, I think he's prepared to give Tebow a legimate shot next season to prove himself, though.

Archer81
01-08-2011, 02:30 PM
Alot is wrong with Peter King. But in this case, he had to take something out of context. Why would any NFL exec purposely trash one of his own players to a known talking head? If any QB is leaving Denver for Minnesota, its Orton. I really doubt Tebow gets a 3 game tryout and then gets shipped out for picks, no matter how much McDaniels loved Tebow Minnesota is a team more or less built to win now. How would a rookie QB get them where they need or want to go?

:Broncos:

RocBronc
01-08-2011, 02:30 PM
I have a question. It's all but certain Frazier will be the next coach for the Vikings. How the hell would McDaniels end up there and how the hell would he have any clout to ask the team to trade for a specific player?

After all the things McD's done with the Broncos, he's definately not shy...

I don't think it's even very likely that Minn would seriously approach Denver about Tebow but it's not out of the question either considering McD's love affair with Tebow...

SJ Bronco
01-08-2011, 02:31 PM
:stirstir::stirstir:
http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/popcorn.jpg

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 02:31 PM
If John was wise, he'd avoid making any statements at all that could be construed as negative evaluatory statements.


If john said "I don't think that Tebow isn't going to be a very good quarterback" it's nothing but a misquote on King's part, probably deliberately, for King to imply that John was doubtful of Tebow's ability.

meangene
01-08-2011, 02:32 PM
If John was wise, he'd avoid making any statements at all that could be construed as negative evaluatory statements.

The right thing to say there is that Tebow exceeded expectations. He could have used that moment to remind King that he himself struggled mightily as a rookie, but that hard work won out over his career...and that Tebow, if nothing else, is a hard worker.

Yes, our inexperienced front office is showing. He should know better.

snowspot66
01-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Yes, our inexperienced front office is showing. He should know better.

It's his desire to have a more open communication. Unfortunately journalistic integrity has been replaced with conjecture and "analysis".

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:34 PM
This is going nutso on twitter.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:35 PM
http://twitter.com/#search?q=Tebow

OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 02:35 PM
Whats sad is that Tebow is starting to seem more skilled at talking to the media than Elway.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 02:35 PM
Yes, our inexperienced front office is showing. He should know better.

Especially after playing in the NFL for 15 years.

SJ Bronco
01-08-2011, 02:36 PM
This is going nutso on twitter.

This is the most fun you can have while not in bed. This franchise has gone wild. It's like a daytime "drama"

snowspot66
01-08-2011, 02:38 PM
Especially after playing in the NFL for 15 years.

These idiots we call sports writers didn't have things like Twitter and practiced legitimate journalism when he played football.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 02:39 PM
So are we to believe that Elway wants to trade Tebow and then came out and said he doesn't believe in him??

That makes sense.

TD30
01-08-2011, 02:39 PM
They won't get rid of him he sells tickets

Durango
01-08-2011, 02:39 PM
He wouldn't. King is a tool who is running with a quote taken either out of context or misunderstood by a slightly retarded fat man.

Elway probably said something like "I don't think that Tebow isn't going to be a very good quarterback". Implying that he does think Teboe will be a very good QB.

Which Fatty in his limited grasp of the english language took to mean the opposite.

This is the most likely truth. Elway has said that Tebow is a great athlete who needs work to become a good NFL QB. I can't imagine that he would change that opinion in three days.

King just threw some crap out there to make the Minnesota fantasy look more plausible.

Archer81
01-08-2011, 02:39 PM
Dear Jesus,

Can we have one offseason not marred with idiocy and drama?

Thanks,

Me.

:Broncos:

BabyTO
01-08-2011, 02:40 PM
He also said that he spoke to Elway last night and said that Elway doesn't think Tebow isn't a very good QB.
...NFL QB AT THIS TIME

:wave:

btw if what weve seen is not very good then id love to see how hes gonna play when hes average or better yet great. he might put up 1.000 yards per game :yayaya:

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 02:40 PM
These idiots we call sports writers didn't have things like Twitter and practiced legitimate journalism when he played football.

No they didnt. But players knew to protect themselves and their interests justs as well.

RocBronc
01-08-2011, 02:40 PM
So what are you saying RocBronc?

You're saying the Broncos would have the 2nd and the 12th pick of the draft and they could draft a QB with one of those if they want, and still have Orton? Are you saying that it would basically be like trading Tebow for Mattlet, Gabbert or Newton? Is that what you're saying?

Am I thinking about it? maybe....don't tell anyone, though.

All I was saying that if you wanted to start think about scenario's where you MIGHT consider trading Tebow, your going to start with their first round pick as one of the major things you'd want from them.

Personally I'd want alot more than just their first round pick... and I don't necessarily think we should draft a QB with one of those 2 picks, I still think Orton is an a decent QB and we're a good TE from having a pretty strong offense at all positions right now.

What intrigues me is how much we could rebuild our defense with at least 2 firsts, 2 2nd's and a third round pick... plus more... say another third and a 2nd next year.

Still don't know if I'd do it but it's worth considering to me.

snowspot66
01-08-2011, 02:43 PM
All I was saying that if you wanted to start think about scenario's where you MIGHT consider trading Tebow, your going to start with their first round pick as one of the major things you'd want from them.

Personally I'd want alot more than just their first round pick... and I don't necessarily think we should draft a QB with one of those 2 picks, I still think Orton is an a decent QB and we're a good TE from having a pretty strong offense at all positions right now.

What intrigues me is how much we could rebuild our defense with at least 2 firsts, 2 2nd's and a third round pick... plus more... say another third and a 2nd next year.

Still don't know if I'd do it but it's worth considering to me.

Not to me. This franchise needs a QB it can believe in. I think Orton is a good QB but he's not that QB.

RocBronc
01-08-2011, 02:43 PM
So are we to believe that Elway wants to trade Tebow and then came out and said he doesn't believe in him??

That makes sense.

King didn't say that Elway wanted to trade Tebow, he said that McDaniels might try to convince Minnesota to trade for him.

SouthStndJunkie
01-08-2011, 02:44 PM
This sounds like a lot of hyperbole....I don't see where Elway said he wasn't a fan of Tebow.

That said, Elway needs to STFU and get to work and quit worrying about flapping his gums so much to the media.

I know part of his job is PR and communication with the media, but sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and get to work.

The pomp and circumstance and PR bull**** is over John, time to put your nose to the grindstone and quit talking to the talking heads and giving them headlines.

cutthemdown
01-08-2011, 02:47 PM
I'm glad Bowlen brought in a real GM so the team could be run smoothly.......oh wait.....****.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 02:48 PM
King didn't say that Elway wanted to trade Tebow
Which goes to show that this is nothing but media hyperbole. There's no way Elway would say something intended to disparage Tebow.

Cito Pelon
01-08-2011, 02:49 PM
Didn't he also say before that Elway flat out told him that JE did not think Tebow was a good QB?

Whatever your opinion is John, shut your ****ing mouth to the press. Did you really think that wouldn't be repeated? You're a VP with the Broncos now, not their retired former HoF QB.

Agreed.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 02:49 PM
This is everywhere now. We'll have to put out a statement soon.

SouthStndJunkie
01-08-2011, 02:50 PM
Elway needs to remember he is an employee of the Broncos now and not the ex-QB when he is doing these interviews.

The more he talks, the more he is leaving his words open for interpretation.

TD30
01-08-2011, 02:51 PM
Lol I don't think Bowlen or the powers that be can grasp how on edge we are as a fan base. This thing is all over the place and if they were considering it they better hope and pray it pans out. I don't think this fan base can take another year of losing the way we lose with Orton. Win or lose with Tebow if he is improving at least it's entertaining. I can't take phantom fetal position sacks anymore.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 02:51 PM
People are trashing Peter King here but he really didn't do anything wrong. He just repeated what Elway said, that Tebow isn't a good NFL QB right now, and everyone is misconstruing the common and blowing it out of proportion. Elway needs to choose his words more carefully in the future.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 02:53 PM
People are trashing Peter King here but he really didn't do anything wrong. He just repeated what Elway said, that Tebow isn't a good NFL QB right now, and everyone is misconstruing the common and blowing it out of proportion. Elway needs to choose his words more carefully in the future.You don't know what Elway actually said, and therefore you have no idea whether he did anything wrong.

srphoenix
01-08-2011, 02:54 PM
Somebody call Dove Valley and tell Elway to straighten this **** out... They talk about consistency and fan trust then we get reports from journalist hacks about this kind of crap. Now i'm sure words were taken out of context, but he needs to go on record with something concrete such as, "Tim Tebow is our guy, he's going to be our QB next year and we're proud to have him as the starting QB of the Denver Broncos"

TonyR
01-08-2011, 02:54 PM
You don't know what Elway actually said, and therefore you have no idea whether he did anything wrong.

He's said similar things more than once. Like him or not Peter King is a widely respected journalist and he wouldn't go making things up. This is being blown out of proportion. Relax.

coachmastermind
01-08-2011, 02:55 PM
update via twitter:

SI_PeterKing (http://twitter.com/#!/SI_PeterKing) Peter King



To clarify, John Elway never told me he wants to trade Tebow. My report was about how I thought McD, w/QB-needy team, could pursue trade.

srphoenix
01-08-2011, 02:55 PM
update:

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1164210886/the_dog_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/#%21/SI_PeterKing) @SI_PeterKing (http://twitter.com/#%21/SI_PeterKing) Peter King


To clarify, John Elway never told me he wants to trade Tebow. My report was about how I thought McD, w/QB-needy team, could pursue trade.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 02:56 PM
update via twitter:

SI_PeterKing (http://twitter.com/#!/SI_PeterKing) Peter King



To clarify, John Elway never told me he wants to trade Tebow. My report was about how I thought McD, w/QB-needy team, could pursue trade.

He calls him McD as well. Ha!

You guys didnt know that I was Peter King, did you?

Play2win
01-08-2011, 02:59 PM
Elway told Logan something to the effect that Tebow had to be developed-- not re-developed. As in, he never really got truly developed as a QB at the College level. The take away point I got, was that they need to start developing Tebow as a Pro QB NOW, because he hardly ever was before.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 03:00 PM
King would have been more accurate by saying that McD would trade for Kyle Orton, but Kyle Orton isnt nearly as popular as Tim Tebow. Mentioning Tebow gets the attention.

Play2win
01-08-2011, 03:02 PM
He calls him McD as well. Ha!

You guys didnt know that I was Peter King, did you?

That would be a huge step up. :)

TD30
01-08-2011, 03:03 PM
The Power of Tebow, I hated the trade of Cutler, Marshall, Hillis, Scheffler, using a 1st on Alphonso Smith then trading him for .... a bag of chips and couldn't stand the fact that we picked up Tebow when we needed defense. Now I don't think I would trade Tebow for Luck I cant explain it but the kid has something that I think will win and I have no problem watching a struggling team while someone like him learns. If it never happens I am happy we gave him the chance.

BigPlayShay
01-08-2011, 03:06 PM
Elway told Logan something to the effect that Tebow had to be developed-- not re-developed. As in, he never really got truly developed as a QB at the College level. The take away point I got, was that they need to start developing Tebow as a Pro QB NOW, because he hardly ever was before.

I beleive he said Tebow needed to be programmed not just re-programmed.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 03:07 PM
He's said similar things more than once. Like him or not Peter King is a widely respected journalist and he wouldn't go making things up. This is being blown out of proportion. Relax.

That must be why King is back-pedaling already. I'm plenty relaxed. It's the folks who are freaking out about Elway who need to relax.

I'm sure all Elway said was along the lines of what he's said for two days about him.

TailgateNut
01-08-2011, 03:11 PM
you're a disgusting cum -quat you illiterate, overweight buffoon. Trade Tebow? R U NUTZZZZZ???


and then this PM: Did Peter King Really... 01-08-2011 12:12 PM txtebow go overeat at one of your horribly overrated tailgates......


Hilarious!


Just another loon.

BigPlayShay
01-08-2011, 03:11 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_PeterKing/status/23850357868199937

@SI_PeterKing
Peter King: Elway tells me "at this time'' he doesn't think Tebow's a good NFL quarterback. I said on NBC that if McD gets job in spot that needs QB ...

TonyR
01-08-2011, 03:12 PM
That must be why King is back-pedaling already.

I don't see him "back-pedaling". I do see him clarifying because his comments are being misrepresented and misunderstood.

bombay
01-08-2011, 03:14 PM
Is Tebow Mormon?

Cito Pelon
01-08-2011, 03:15 PM
Elway needs to remember he is an employee of the Broncos now and not the ex-QB when he is doing these interviews.

The more he talks, the more he is leaving his words open for interpretation.

Yeah, he better learn fast he can't say whatever he pleases.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 03:17 PM
Is Tebow Mormon?

Is Peter King Klingon?

BabyTO
01-08-2011, 03:19 PM
update via twitter:

SI_PeterKing (http://twitter.com/#!/SI_PeterKing) Peter King



To clarify, John Elway never told me he wants to trade Tebow. My report was about how I thought McD, w/QB-needy team, could pursue trade.

next time clarify when you make such a dumb statement about how YOU think something would make sense. dont explain that after making idiots think that elway said hes gonna trade tebow. you fat ****.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 03:21 PM
I don't see him "back-pedaling". I do see him clarifying because his comments are being misrepresented and misunderstood.

Sounds like a pot and kettle to me.

24champ
01-08-2011, 03:22 PM
Is Kyle Orton a Scientologist?

Play2win
01-08-2011, 03:23 PM
I beleive he said Tebow needed to be programmed not just re-programmed.

Yeah, you're right. I was just going by memory. That's why I said, something to the effect... and I guess it does mean something different, but kinda going in the same direction.

coachmastermind
01-08-2011, 03:24 PM
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1207986387/elway_twitter_avatar3_normal.jpg
johnelway (http://twitter.com/#!/johnelway) John Elway



To clarify my thoughts on Tim Tebow... I think he's a very good football player, and if anyone can turn themselves into a great QB, Tim can

Steve Prefontaine
01-08-2011, 03:24 PM
King quoted Elway accurately that Elway thinks "right now" Tebow is not a good NFL QB. Elway thinks Tebow needs to work to get to that level. That isn't new to anyone I hope. Elway has been saying that since his press conference.

Unfortunately, after that quote, King went on to speculate that McD would want to trade for Tebow if he's hired by the Vikes as OC.

BigPlayShay
01-08-2011, 03:24 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/johnelway/status/23866892972199936
@johnelway
John Elway: To clarify my thoughts on Tim Tebow... I think he's a very good football player, and if anyone can turn themselves into a great QB, Tim can.

http://twitter.com/#!/johnelway/status/23867086145069056
@johnelway
John Elway: Myself and our entire organization think very highly of him. We are pleased with his first year as a Bronco.

http://twitter.com/#!/johnelway/status/23867561657503745
@johnelway
John Elway: Any speculation that the Denver Broncos are considering moving Tim is completely false.

coachmastermind
01-08-2011, 03:25 PM
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1207986387/elway_twitter_avatar3_normal.jpg
johnelway (http://twitter.com/#!/johnelway) John Elway



Myself and our entire organization think very highly of him. We are pleased with his first year as a Bronco.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 03:25 PM
Elway responds on Twiitter




Any speculation that the Denver Broncos are considering moving Tim is completely false.
half a minute ago via web
Myself and our entire organization think very highly of him. We are pleased with his first year as a Bronco.
3 minutes ago via web
To clarify my thoughts on Tim Tebow... I think he's a very good football player, and if anyone can turn themselves into a great QB, Tim can.
3 minutes ago via web

coachmastermind
01-08-2011, 03:25 PM
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1207986387/elway_twitter_avatar3_normal.jpg
johnelway (http://twitter.com/#!/johnelway) John Elway



Any speculation that the Denver Broncos are considering moving Tim is completely false.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 03:26 PM
I love John Elway.

Steve Prefontaine
01-08-2011, 03:27 PM
Thank you John. Nothing to see...everyone move on.

bowtown
01-08-2011, 03:28 PM
I wish Elway would ring in on this.

OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 03:28 PM
Twitter can be really awesome sometimes.


BTW, Peter King really is a fat piece of pig excrement.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-08-2011, 03:29 PM
Elway responds on Twiitter




Any speculation that the Denver Broncos are considering moving Tim is completely false.
half a minute ago via web
Myself and our entire organization think very highly of him. We are pleased with his first year as a Bronco.
3 minutes ago via web
To clarify my thoughts on Tim Tebow... I think he's a very good football player, and if anyone can turn themselves into a great QB, Tim can.
3 minutes ago via web

Hopefully this will teach him to keep his mouth shut to the press.

OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 03:30 PM
Hopefully this will teach him to keep his mouth shut to the press.

...or avoid talking to Peter King, that fat piece of pig excrement.

Likwid Kerruj
01-08-2011, 03:31 PM
What if a team offers a 2, 3, and a 4 for Tebow, John?

Peter King can do like McDaniels and go **** himself by the way.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 03:31 PM
Hopefully this will teach him to keep his mouth shut to the press.

That's what is great about twitter, he can communicate directly with the fanbase.

Play2win
01-08-2011, 03:31 PM
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1207986387/elway_twitter_avatar3_normal.jpg
johnelway (http://twitter.com/#!/johnelway) John Elway



To clarify my thoughts on Tim Tebow... I think he's a very good football player, and if anyone can turn themselves into a great QB, Tim can

I cannot think of a better way of putting it. God job, John! :thumbsup:


On a side note: I can bring back my old cheer-- ELWAY- All The WAY!!!! (to the superbowl ;D)

meangene
01-08-2011, 03:32 PM
Hopefully this will teach him to keep his mouth shut to the press.

Yeah, spend more time looking for a quality HC.

bowtown
01-08-2011, 03:33 PM
What if a team offers a 2, 3, and a 4 for Tebow, John?

Peter King can do like McDaniels and go **** himself by the way.

jk

GoBroncos84
01-08-2011, 03:34 PM
Hopefully this will teach him to keep his mouth shut to the press.

Doubtful. The organization is committing to be more transparent. Certain members of the media will exploit that. John has said nothing wrong, and he quickly responded to correct misconceptions. He handled it quite well, IMO.

TD30
01-08-2011, 03:35 PM
This is insane I have never seen such a quick response. I do feel bad for the mess Elway has stepped into...Thanks for keeping us in the loop John go get us a a good head coach

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 03:37 PM
Doubtful. The organization is committing to be more transparent. Certain members of the media will exploit that. John has said nothing wrong, and he quickly responded to correct misconceptions. He handled it quite well, IMO.

I agree, well put.

BabyTO
01-08-2011, 03:41 PM
elway should keep his mouth shut. he has no idea how to handle the guys in the press. dont need him to mess up the tebow situation. just shut up and dont comment on him, do your job, stop evaluating the roster in public

Play2win
01-08-2011, 03:42 PM
This is insane I have never seen such a quick response. I do feel bad for the mess Elway has stepped into...Thanks for keeping us in the loop John go get us a a good head coach

It must be because of all his lack of experience.

On a serious note, I seriously love his management style. Open door, transparency, but swift response. In short-- COMMUNICATE.

TD30
01-08-2011, 03:44 PM
It must be because of all his lack of experience.

On a serious note, I seriously love his management style. Open door, transparency, but swift response. In short-- COMMUNICATE.

it's refreshing to say the least...

BabyTO
01-08-2011, 03:44 PM
Doubtful. The organization is committing to be more transparent. Certain members of the media will exploit that. John has said nothing wrong, and he quickly responded to correct misconceptions. He handled it quite well, IMO.
he recovered well. but now there will be this question mark for the next few months any time somebody mentions tebow, people will link him to wherever mcdaniels lands.

elway needs to shut up. nobody expects tebow to be a great QB right now, so why say that you dont think he is. of course he is not. talk about what you expect from him, what you see in him. dont talk about what hes not. the media is all over this crap and that stuff can get inside this kids head. hopefully not.

jbones733
01-08-2011, 03:47 PM
Elway is totally lost

Requiem
01-08-2011, 03:48 PM
Elway was drunk.

srphoenix
01-08-2011, 03:53 PM
Thank you John for coming out with a quick clarification of your own. Part of the football culture that we live due to it's secrecy means that we no longer trust what coaches or owners say, and when a bit slips out it eventually turns out to be true. John isn't used to this system nor do I think he fully wants to be. Secrecy has it's parts, but I agree with the Broncos switch to be more open with their business and to their fans. Needless to say I'm sure John learned a thing or two through this about how this modern media works.

gunns
01-08-2011, 03:53 PM
Especially after playing in the NFL for 15 years.

16.

Gee I wonder if Tebow will return Elway and Bowlen's phone calls now.

This is much ado about nada. We already knew Elway thought Tebow was a good football player, now they had to get him to be a good QB. So what, it's true. Doesn't say they are trading him, it merely speaks the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts to those that think they know more than they do.

maven
01-08-2011, 04:05 PM
Does Elway still do that radio show now?

Tim
01-08-2011, 04:07 PM
I don't think Elway is good VP of the Denver broncos at this time

Dutch
01-08-2011, 04:10 PM
I'm guessing 10 pages in 24 hours.

6 already!LOL

strafen
01-08-2011, 04:11 PM
First of all. What Peter King said was that IF McDaniels goes to Minnesita as their OC that McDANIELS would try to trade for Tebow.
Elway didn't say squat.
Please, get your info straight.
This is stupid to see a thread go like this. People coming up with stupid statements to justify what they see, and for what they have no clue what they're talking about...

Dagmar
01-08-2011, 04:13 PM
You have to love the speed of information in the age, I found out about this "controversy" after it was resolved!

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 04:14 PM
Didn't he also say before that Elway flat out told him that JE did not think Tebow was a good QB?

Whatever your opinion is John, shut your ****ing mouth to the press. Did you really think that wouldn't be repeated? You're a VP with the Broncos now, not their retired former HoF QB.

Indeed. His "greenness" is showing, but hey this is what Pat wanted and we all know Pat makes great decisions.

If Elway thinks he can just go ahead and trade Tebow simply because he's in charge now....wow, he's in for a shock.

Dagmar
01-08-2011, 04:14 PM
Elway is totally lost

http://communitiesonline.homestead.com/files/troll_2.jpg

Dagmar
01-08-2011, 04:16 PM
Indeed. His "greenness" is showing, but hey this is what Pat wanted and we all know Pat makes great decisions.

If Elways thinks he can just go ahead and trade Tebow simply because he's in charge now....wow, he's in for a shock.

After the Cutler situation and how to be honest, McDaniels never really recovered, Tebow is already more beloved than Cutler was, they can't be dumb enough to this, surely? It seems many of these moves are because of the fans wants (for better or worse) so surely they wont trade him?

cutthemdown
01-08-2011, 04:18 PM
great the Broncos brass uses Twitter. Next will be status updates telling us what bar/strip club Elway is getting sauced up at while he throws out plans for the Broncos on Twitter and Facebook.

We can't get but 4 games worst so at least the bar is low. Hopefully not that kind of bar though you friggin drunk.

Maybe Elway will be just like he was in his playing days. It will be 3 days until the draft then out of nowhere Elway hires a GM fires Xanders, fires himself, and says my work here is done...CHAMPIONSHIP.

TheProfessor
01-08-2011, 04:18 PM
As much as I hate twitter... the ability for someone like JE to be able to quickly and easily clear this up is nice.

Probably said too much earlier but this was a quick and efficient way to fix any percieved wrong.

Good job by JE and the FO

Dagmar
01-08-2011, 04:19 PM
Elway must realise through ANY moves we make from head coach etc, if we go into 2011 with Orton under center, expect many many no shows.

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 04:22 PM
After the Cutler situation and how to be honest, McDaniels never really recovered, Tebow is already more beloved than Cutler was, they can't be dumb enough to this, surely? It seems many of these moves are because of the fans wants (for better or worse) so surely they wont trade him?

Dag.....its a combo of Elway and Xanders, with George W. Bush's cousin overseeing them both and a guy who's a slave to Scotch overseeing all of them. Still can't see them doing this? :)

I would feel MUCH better with your wife in charge than any of these four clowns. At least we know she's intelligent.

baja
01-08-2011, 04:25 PM
No way Elway says that and even more unlikely he says that if it's true.

baja
01-08-2011, 04:26 PM
If Shanahan had said that everyone would be laughing and saying nice smoke screen Mike.

Popps
01-08-2011, 04:27 PM
I wondered how long it would be before people were crapping all over Elway here. Right on schedule.

Cito Pelon
01-08-2011, 04:29 PM
Does Elway still do that radio show now?

He'll be transparent that he can no longer be transparent. Just the way it goes. You can't be a buddy and a boss.

baja
01-08-2011, 04:30 PM
I wondered how long I would be before people were crapping all over Elway here. Right on schedule.

LOL We haven't even had our first interview yet. Hell this thread went viral over a statement based on a double negative.

baja
01-08-2011, 04:32 PM
http://images.tvrage.com/shows/4/3256.jpg

baja
01-08-2011, 04:33 PM
http://images.tvrage.com/shows/7/6318.jpg

gunns
01-08-2011, 04:36 PM
Elway is totally lost

Is that you Marty?

Never seen so many panties in a bunch.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 04:42 PM
If Elway thinks he can just go ahead and trade Tebow simply because he's in charge now....wow, he's in for a shock.

So now Elway is trading Tebow? Because Peter King speculated Josh McDaniels, as Minnesota's OC, would be interested?

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 04:51 PM
So now Elway is trading Tebow? Because Peter King speculated Josh McDaniels, as Minnesota's OC, would be interested?

Elway shouldn't be saying Tebow isn't a good QB right now...whether its true or not. He should know better than that. And whether he wants to trade him or not....its not something he can feasibly do anyway. What I'm saying is that if he thinks he can simply do that (IF he wants to), he's in for a huge shock. That's the bottom line.

yerner
01-08-2011, 05:00 PM
Great news. Elway knows what he's talking about.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 05:00 PM
Elway shouldn't be saying Tebow isn't a good QB right now...whether its true or not. He should know better than that. And whether he wants to trade him or not....its not something he can feasibly do anyway. What I'm saying is that if he thinks he can simply do that (IF he wants to), he's in for a huge shock. That's the bottom line.

He didn't. He said what he's been saying for 3 days, King put it out there like it was a jab at Tebow. You're above media whores aren't you Socal?

baja
01-08-2011, 05:01 PM
Elway shouldn't be saying Tebow isn't a good QB right now...whether its true or not. He should know better than that. And whether he wants to trade him or not....its not something he can feasibly do anyway. What I'm saying is that if he thinks he can simply do that (IF he wants to), he's in for a huge shock. That's the bottom line.

Aren't you the guy that thought a post making fun of my reaction to the actual firing of our head coach with 4 games left to play was hilarious.

At least I don't think the sky is falling based on hearsay.

elsid13
01-08-2011, 05:02 PM
I don't understand the over reacting to anything that deals with Tebow. Fact is that he is a rookie QB, that needs to develop into pro pocket passer if Denver is going to use him as their starting QB. He is raw and he has a lot of work to do if he wants to step it up the level of good NFL starter. He is behind guy's like Luck because he still getting the fundamentals of playing in pro style offense under center and turning his back to the defense on PA. A power run game and PA system is what Elway looking for his HC to run.

errand
01-08-2011, 05:05 PM
I haven't read all the posts, so forgive me if someone posted this already...but outta this bull**** i can see two scenarios..Broncos trade Orton to Vikings if McDaniels is there or they keep Orton for '11, trade Tebow to Vikes and draft Luck when he enters draft in '12

I mean Orton has proven he can run McDaniels offense pretty well so it wouldn't that huge of a stretch that he'd end up where ever McDaniels lands

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 05:10 PM
Aren't you the guy that thought a post making fun of my reaction to the actual firing of our head coach with 4 games left to play was hilarious.

At least I don't think the sky is falling based on hearsay.

Where was I making fun of your reaction to the firing? I'm not one of the people who keep throwing posts you made while angry back in your face constantly. I haven't done that to you. And I never said "hilarious" to anything you said...I said "hilarious" to the idea that Mularkey was turning US down. That was amusing only because it showed how far we have fallen. Get it right before you accuse people.

I'm not thinking the sky is falling based on hearsay. I just don't like the people in charge...none of them. None of the four people in charge have provided us with anything to inspire any confidence in the roles each of them presently occupy. None of the four have accomplished anything of value in terms of being proper administrators or "deciders" recently. Why would I give any of them the benefit of any doubt? I don't like them...at all. I'm not interested in hearing any of their platitudes, I don't respect them, I don't give a **** what they think. It's not something I value or find important. These verbal gaffes...even as small as they may sometimes be just reinforces things. Don't make verbal gaffes...YES the media will twist them, but you should know better than that. That's why we should have had someone proven. That's what we all wanted. Why was that so hard for them to understand?

TonyR
01-08-2011, 05:12 PM
Elway shouldn't be saying Tebow isn't a good QB right now...whether its true or not. He should know better than that.

That I agree with. Needs to master the art of saying something without saying anything. Nobody outside the organization needs to know what John Elway thinks about Tim Tebow or any other player on the team.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2011, 05:14 PM
Okay, that "right now" is really important to the context here. He's not saying he can't be or won't be, just that he isn't today or yet. Huge difference.

Clearly, John Elway is trying to undermine Tim Tebow to keep him from being successful in the NFL. Because he's a hater.

Hilarious! LOL :wave:

:yayaya:

Dagmar
01-08-2011, 05:15 PM
Where was I making fun of your reaction to the firing? I'm not one of the people who keep throwing posts your made while angry back in your face constantly. I haven't done that to you. And I never said "hilarious" to anything you said...I said "hilarious" to the idea that Mularkey was turning US down. That was amusing only because it showed how far we have fallen. Get it right before you accuse people.

I'm not thinking the sky is falling based on hearsay. I just don't like the people in charge...none of them. None of the four people in charge have provided us with anything to inspire any confidence in the roles each of them presently occupy. None of the four have accomplished anything of value in terms of being proper administrators or "deciders" recently. Why would I give any of them the benefit of any doubt? I don't like them...at all. I'm not interested in hearing any of their platitudes, I don't respect them, I don't give a **** what they think. It's not something I value or find important. These verbal gaffes...even as small as they may sometimes be just reinforces things. Don't make verbal gaffes...YES the media will twist them, but you should know better than that. That's why we should have had someone proven. That's what we all wanted. Why was that so hard for them to understand?

He might be talking about me, because I for one found i HI-larious.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 05:16 PM
I'm not thinking the sky is falling based on hearsay. I just don't like the people in charge...none of them. None of the four people in charge have provided us with anything to inspire any confidence in the roles each of them presently occupy. None of the four have accomplished anything of value in terms of being proper administrators or "deciders" recently. Why would I give any of them the benefit of any doubt?

Wow, never thought I'd see the day where we're pretty much on the same page. Hope we're both completely wrong.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 05:19 PM
Clearly, John Elway is trying to undermine Tim Tebow to keep him from being successful in the NFL. Because he's a hater.


Uh, yah, thanks for the clarification. We'd all certainly be lost without it.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2011, 05:21 PM
Uh, yah, thanks for the clarification. We'd all certainly be lost without it.

That's the prevailing sentiment around these parts, isn't it? If you have questions about Tim's pro-readiness, you're just doing it because you hate him, because you're trying to undermine him.

Just wondering if that moronic accusation also extends to the new VP of football operations, who also just happens to be the greatest QB ever to play the game, and thus knows a ****ing thing or two about playing the position.

You know. Just curious.

And I thank you for YOUR clarification.

Gort
01-08-2011, 05:22 PM
It seemed like King was out there to say something, regardless of the actual reality of the situation in Denver.

:Broncos:

i've said it before, i'll say it again...

sportswriters = monkeys flinging sh*t against the wall to see what sticks.

they've got columns to write between now and next summer so expect alot more of this semi-coherent tripe from the whole lot of them.

Wes Mantooth
01-08-2011, 05:24 PM
He didn't. He said what he's been saying for 3 days, King put it out there like it was a jab at Tebow. You're above media whores aren't you Socal?

exactly. It is the same freakin' message and Peter King is spinning.

baja
01-08-2011, 05:26 PM
<b>Where was I making fun of your reaction to the firing? </b>I'm not one of the people who keep throwing posts you made while angry back in your face constantly. I haven't done that to you. And I never said "hilarious" to anything you said...I said "hilarious" to the idea that Mularkey was turning US down. That was amusing only because it showed how far we have fallen. Get it right before you accuse people.

I'm not thinking the sky is falling based on hearsay. I just don't like the people in charge...none of them. None of the four people in charge have provided us with anything to inspire any confidence in the roles each of them presently occupy. None of the four have accomplished anything of value in terms of being proper administrators or "deciders" recently. Why would I give any of them the benefit of any doubt? I don't like them...at all. I'm not interested in hearing any of their platitudes, I don't respect them, I don't give a **** what they think. It's not something I value or find important. These verbal gaffes...even as small as they may sometimes be just reinforces things. Don't make verbal gaffes...YES the media will twist them, but you should know better than that. That's why we should have had someone proven. That's what we all wanted. Why was that so hard for them to understand?

Well OK then. I could care less about the juveniles that that repost my reaction over and over because I consider the source and I figure the people I care about here see that for what it is, children being children but when you posted "hilarious" right after one of those cut & pastes I felt a little hurt because I do care what you think. So you're lucky it wasn't directed at me cause I'd have to put belly button lint on your next turkey sandwich if I thought it was. ;D

TheReverend
01-08-2011, 05:28 PM
He might be talking about me, because I for one found i HI-larious.

Same. It's adorable when one of the fan police becomes a Raiders fan because the guy who destroyed the team was fired.

gunns
01-08-2011, 05:29 PM
None of the four people in charge have provided us with anything to inspire any confidence in the roles each of them presently occupy. None of the four have accomplished anything of value in terms of being proper administrators or "deciders" recently. Why would I give any of them the benefit of any doubt?

Wow, one's been on the job for 3 days. Glad you're not my boss, I generally give my people 3 months before determining whether they have the job down or not. Besides the fact King took something Elway's been saying for days before he had the job and turned it into this mess, where ya'll got your panties in a bunch and puffed your chests to tell Elway to shut up. What he said about Tebow is true. That's something rare around the Broncos lately and I bet Tebow hasn't lost an ounce of sleep over it, is aware of his limitations. I think the people that need to shut up are the majority of this board.

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 05:29 PM
Well OK then. I could care less about the juveniles that that repost my reaction over and over because I consider the source and I figure the people I care about here see that for what it is, children being children but when you posted "hilarious" right after one of those cut & pastes I felt a little hurt because I do care what you think. So you're lucky it wasn't directed at me cause I'd have to put belly button lint on your next turkey sandwich if I thought it was. ;D

I saw that Mularkey cancels interview thread and then just posted. I didn't see your post or anyone's in particular, I just posted once I saw the thread and OP. I understand that people can be really angry and say things out of pure anger that they don't really mean or are just based on how wrong they feel the move was...I've been there before, I know exactly how you felt..."Hilarious" had nothing to do with that...it was about Mularkey. Notice I didn't quote anyone's post.

Gort
01-08-2011, 05:32 PM
Wow, one's been on the job for 3 days. Glad you're not my boss, I generally give my people 3 months before determining whether they have the job down or not. Besides the fact King took something Elway's been saying for days before he had the job and turned it into this mess, where ya'll got your panties in a bunch and puffed your chests to tell Elway to shut up. What he said about Tebow is true. That's something rare around the Broncos lately and I bet Tebow hasn't lost an ounce of sleep over it, is aware of his limitations. I think the people that need to shut up are the majority of this board.

if Elway had said this about Plummer, Plummer would have quit and moved to Idaho.

if Elway had said this about Cutler, Cutler would have thrown away his blackberry and had his father return his playbook.

if Elway had said this about Orton, Orton would have fallen down in the fetal position for a 12-yard loss.

something tells me that Tebow will use it as fuel to get better. the guy thrives off of this stuff. tell him he can't do something and he grits his teeth and tries harder. how can anybody not like that?

baja
01-08-2011, 05:33 PM
Same. It's adorable when one of the fan police becomes a Raiders fan because the guy who destroyed the team was fired.

Dagmar is alright, you on the other hand are really an unlikeable personality but I'm sure you know that cause you're not dumb.

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 05:34 PM
Wow, one's been on the job for 3 days. Glad you're not my boss, I generally give my people 3 months before determining whether they have the job down or not. Besides the fact King took something Elway's been saying for days before he had the job and turned it into this mess, where ya'll got your panties in a bunch and puffed your chests to tell Elway to shut up. What he said about Tebow is true. That's something rare around the Broncos lately and I bet Tebow hasn't lost an ounce of sleep over it, is aware of his limitations. I think the people that need to shut up are the majority of this board.

People shouldn't be on the job for even three days if they didn't earn it. I'm not going to give them the benefit of any doubt no matter who they are......unless they've earned it, which hasn't been the case yet. When there have been a series of objectively positive and significant results, I'll be more than happy to give various people in the FO/management some measure of slack.

TheReverend
01-08-2011, 05:36 PM
People shouldn't be on the job for even three days if they didn't earn it. I'm not going to give them the benefit of any doubt no matter who they are......unless they've earned it, which hasn't been the case yet. When there have been a series of objectively positive and significant results, I'll be more than happy to give various people in the FO/management some measure of slack.

...but the last time we were asked to give someone the benefit of the doubt, it worked out so well!

Dagmar
01-08-2011, 05:37 PM
Dagmar is alright, you on the other hand are really an unlikeable personality but I'm sure you know that cause you're not dumb.

Hey I'm alright!

http://www.moviestore.com/library/photos/259/259350.jpg

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 05:38 PM
Thread is living up to the hype.

gunns
01-08-2011, 05:39 PM
People shouldn't be on the job for even three days if they didn't earn it. I'm not going to give them the benefit of any doubt no matter who they are......unless they've earned it, which hasn't been the case yet. When there have been a series of objectively positive and significant results, I'll be more than happy to give various people in the FO/management some measure of slack.

This leads me to two questions. What did he have to do to earn it and why did you give Shanahan so much slack?

cabronco
01-08-2011, 05:43 PM
The worst thing you can do is Panic. Just go back to Elways press conference where JE says TT is a great football player, but he's not a great QB yet, we need to make him a great QB. Also Best I recall, JE said he will find a coach that wants TT as the QB, not one that doesnt.

Peter King just wants controversy/ ratings.

baja
01-08-2011, 05:43 PM
I saw that Mularkey cancels interview thread and then just posted. I didn't see your post or anyone's in particular, I just posted once I saw the thread and OP. I understand that people can be really angry and say things out of pure anger that they don't really mean or are just based on how wrong they feel the move was...I've been there before, I know exactly how you felt..."Hilarious" had nothing to do with that...it was about Mularkey. Notice I didn't quote anyone's post.

I get it.

BTW I came to understand how you felt when Shanny was let go that day McD was fired. I didn't think I could be that disappointed over the actions of a sports team.

Oh and the humor of them calling me a Raiders fan because I was irate over an event that happened to my Broncos is not lost on me.

TheReverend
01-08-2011, 05:46 PM
This leads me to two questions. What did he have to do to earn it and why did you give Shanahan so much slack?

The only two trophies the franchise has ever seen?

Set records over the decade in yards, points, rushing yards?

One of the fastest coaches to ever reach 100 wins?

Turned Griese, Plummer and Cutler into a pro bowl QB?

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 05:46 PM
This leads me to two questions. What did he have to do to earn it and why did you give Shanahan so much slack?

1. Get bona fide experience in collegiate and pro scouting methods, and mid to upper level NFL management techniques and skills and develop a thorough understanding of the cap and current CBA issues and day to day operations. Not "learning on the job" or being "surrounded by good people". What we're hiring is the guy..not someone to be a public face for others. I want an active, knowledgeable, proven GM who knows how to handle each and every aspect. DeCosta would have been good.

2. Because he earned it. He thoroughly earned it. The championships were important and then more importantly, we were well over .500 even after our stars retired (and even after Bowlen ranked about 18th in the league in actual spending)......that showed me he can manufacture good results with less than ideal talent and less than ideal support. Even in drafting he improved. I noted I wished someone else would take charge of that area, but he worked hard to improve.....2 of his last 3 drafts were absolutely excellent...not just because of one player, but because of SEVERAL hits. He was proven, even if he had more than one deficiency as an administrator. He's not a perfect man, but he was a hell of alot better than what we've had lately and he's worlds better than the current people we have now. That's why I believed in him....because even when he made REPEATED errors in judgement, we would at least still be halfway decent and not be a complete embarassment.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 05:51 PM
People shouldn't be on the job for even three days if they didn't earn it. I'm not going to give them the benefit of any doubt no matter who they are......unless they've earned it, which hasn't been the case yet. When there have been a series of objectively positive and significant results, I'll be more than happy to give various people in the FO/management some measure of slack.

So building a championship football franchise from scratch, in addition to all his other professional successes, both in the NFL and in general business, doesn't count as earning it for you?

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 05:55 PM
So building a championship football franchise from scratch, in addition to all his other professional successes, both in the NFL and in general business, doesn't count as earning it for you?

Running a lemonade stand is not comparable to running Costco. The AFL is in no way remotely comparable to the NFL. That's not bona fide experience. If it were....why don't we have EVEN ONE other NFL GM or President whose only actual administrative experience was from an AFL team? Riddle me that.

It's actually NOT his fault. Who wouldn't want to try and run this franchise even if they werent qualified? I would LOVE the chance even though I'm not qualified. It's Bowlen's fault (and Ellis) for panicking and not knowing what else to do.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 05:59 PM
Running a lemonade stand is not comparable to running Costco. Sure it is.

The AFL is in no way remotely comparable to the NFL. How can you possibly come to that conclusion? That's like saying running a Hyundai dealership is in no way comparable to running a Porsche dealership.

That's not bona fide experience. If it were....why don't we have EVEN ONE other NFL GM or President whose only actual administrative experience was from an AFL team? Riddle me that.You have an extremely narrow definition of "bona fide" experience.

It sounds to me like you're describing exactly what we had with Shanahan. I think you're stuck there.

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 06:04 PM
Sure it is.

Really? Running a lemonade stand IS comparable to running Costco. That's your actual argument? http://warcraft.ingame.de/forum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

How can you possibly come to that conclusion? That's like saying running a Hyundai dealership is in no way comparable to running a Porsche dealership.

You have an extremely narrow definition of "bona fide" experience.

Wanting actual NFL management experience is a narrow definition? Isn't that the whole point...the whole concept? NFL experience, since this is an NFL team and we have to deal with NFL issues? I noticed you weren't able to cite another situation where the principal had ONLY experience from the AFL front office.

It sounds to me like you're describing exactly what we had with Shanahan. I think you're stuck there.

LMAO...I'm the one who's stuck. Ok.

schaaf
01-08-2011, 06:23 PM
Thank God Elway got on twitter and clarified everything.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 06:38 PM
That's the prevailing sentiment around these parts, isn't it? If you have questions about Tim's pro-readiness, you're just doing it because you hate him, because you're trying to undermine him.

Just wondering if that moronic accusation also extends to the new VP of football operations, who also just happens to be the greatest QB ever to play the game, and thus knows a ****ing thing or two about playing the position.


You're clearly confused about where I stand on these topics. While I don't support "Tebow haters" I have no problem with people who have legit questions and concerns about him. I have no problem with people taking a cautious, wait-and-see approach with Tebow since that's my position. I do, however, think it's probably best that John Elway, now that he runs the Denver Broncos football operations, be careful in making comments that can be construed as negative about any Broncos player. Are we clear?

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 06:40 PM
LMAO...I'm the one who's stuck. Ok.

So you're arguing that both Costco and a lemonade stand don't apply the basic tenets of business?

Are you arguing that the AFL doesn't have the same basic components as the NFL, like players, coaches, fans, etc?

Because those would be silly arguments.

It's also a silly argument to pine for a proven NFL GM, and then suggest a guy who's never been one.

gunns
01-08-2011, 06:40 PM
1. Get bona fide experience in collegiate and pro scouting methods, and mid to upper level NFL management techniques and skills and develop a thorough understanding of the cap and current CBA issues and day to day operations. Not "learning on the job" or being "surrounded by good people". What we're hiring is the guy..not someone to be a public face for others. I want an active, knowledgeable, proven GM who knows how to handle each and every aspect. DeCosta would have been good.

2. Because he earned it. He thoroughly earned it. The championships were important and then more importantly, we were well over .500 even after our stars retired (and even after Bowlen ranked about 18th in the league in actual spending)......that showed me he can manufacture good results with less than ideal talent and less than ideal support. Even in drafting he improved. I noted I wished someone else would take charge of that area, but he worked hard to improve.....2 of his last 3 drafts were absolutely excellent...not just because of one player, but because of SEVERAL hits. He was proven, even if he had more than one deficiency as an administrator. He's not a perfect man, but he was a hell of alot better than what we've had lately and he's worlds better than the current people we have now. That's why I believed in him....because even when he made REPEATED errors in judgement, we would at least still be halfway decent and not be a complete embarassment.

1. I will agree on De Costa but he's not GM. I know that maybe just a glorified title still for Xanders. He has a degree in economics so I believe he will be fine with the economic side and with a new CBA will learn it. And I do believe Elway has enough love for the Broncos, if he can't cut it he'll step down. I still don't see it as a reason not to have faith in him. You put faith in a man who gave us a mediocre, average 10 years.

2. No one thanks Shanahan for those SB's more than me. But I'm sorry 10 years in which your average record is 9-7 and one playoff win, it's what have you done for me lately. And it wasn't just Shanahan winning those SB, something that was very apparent after Elway left. I wouldn't call any of his drafts excellent but 2006 was one of his best. 63 offensive players opposed to taking 45 defensive players and the majority of those defensive players SUCKED. He was still operating on the premise of a great offense and a hopefully average defense. He didn't catch up to the decade. Sorry, halfway decent over 10 years, which is exactly what it was, doesn't cut it in the NFL or with the fans. You are absolutely right, what we've had lately was not as good, but mediocre is no better than horrible in my book.

TheReverend
01-08-2011, 07:00 PM
1. I will agree on De Costa but he's not GM. I know that maybe just a glorified title still for Xanders. He has a degree in economics so I believe he will be fine with the economic side and with a new CBA will learn it. And I do believe Elway has enough love for the Broncos, if he can't cut it he'll step down. I still don't see it as a reason not to have faith in him. You put faith in a man who gave us a mediocre, average 10 years.

2. No one thanks Shanahan for those SB's more than me. But I'm sorry 10 years in which your average record is 9-7 and one playoff win, it's what have you done for me lately. And it wasn't just Shanahan winning those SB, something that was very apparent after Elway left. I wouldn't call any of his drafts excellent but 2006 was one of his best. 63 offensive players opposed to taking 45 defensive players and the majority of those defensive players SUCKED. He was still operating on the premise of a great offense and a hopefully average defense. He didn't catch up to the decade. Sorry, halfway decent over 10 years, which is exactly what it was, doesn't cut it in the NFL or with the fans. You are absolutely right, what we've had lately was not as good, but mediocre is no better than horrible in my book.

Do you know how good an AVERAGE of 9-7 is over a DECADE post Elway?

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 07:05 PM
Do you know how good an AVERAGE of 9-7 is over a DECADE post Elway?

Good enough for a single playoff victory? Is this a trick question?

gunns
01-08-2011, 07:14 PM
Do you know how good an AVERAGE of 9-7 is over a DECADE post Elway?

Is that what you're looking for, a chance to say look how good? Not that we made the playoffs and won some playoff games and then ultimately the SB, but how good 9-7 is over a decade. 4 playoff appearances since Elway left and only 1 win, almost 12 years. Glad you're happy. And don't come back with look at other teams because I don't give a **** about other teams.

The only two trophies the franchise has ever seen? Not post Elway

Set records over the decade in yards, points, rushing yards? This and a beer will get you comfortable on the couch to watch the other teams.

One of the fastest coaches to ever reach 100 wins? Good for Shanahan

Turned Griese, Plummer and Cutler into a pro bowl QB? Well we all know how fickle the pro bowl selections can be. I almost gagged reading this.

TDmvp
01-08-2011, 07:21 PM
http://www.nihilismandcupcakes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/haters_gonna_hate.gif

baja
01-08-2011, 07:24 PM
Is that what you're looking for, a chance to say look how good? Not that we made the playoffs and won some playoff games and then ultimately the SB, but how good 9-7 is over a decade. 4 playoff appearances since Elway left and only 1 win, almost 12 years. Glad you're happy. And don't come back with look at other teams because I don't give a **** about other teams.

The only two trophies the franchise has ever seen? Not post Elway

Set records over the decade in yards, points, rushing yards? This and a beer will get you comfortable on the couch to watch the other teams.

One of the fastest coaches to ever reach 100 wins? Good for Shanahan

Turned Griese, Plummer and Cutler into a pro bowl QB? Well we all know how fickle the pro bowl selections can be. I almost gagged reading this.

Numbers are like shinny objects to rev. He's fascinated by them.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 07:30 PM
Is that what you're looking for, a chance to say look how good? Not that we made the playoffs and won some playoff games and then ultimately the SB, but how good 9-7 is over a decade. 4 playoff appearances since Elway left and only 1 win, almost 12 years. Glad you're happy. And don't come back with look at other teams because I don't give a **** about other teams.

The only two trophies the franchise has ever seen? Not post Elway

Set records over the decade in yards, points, rushing yards? This and a beer will get you comfortable on the couch to watch the other teams.

One of the fastest coaches to ever reach 100 wins? Good for Shanahan

Turned Griese, Plummer and Cutler into a pro bowl QB? Well we all know how fickle the pro bowl selections can be. I almost gagged reading this.

I think the thing is that we really had poor talent during that stretch and still did okay. With Shanahan essentially removed as GM for Goodman, it felt like we were building up talent finally. Don't matter tho either way, it's all history now.

NUB
01-08-2011, 07:38 PM
Ventured onto John's Twitter to see this:

Any speculation that the Denver Broncos are considering moving Tim is completely false.

To clarify my thoughts on Tim Tebow... I think he's a very good football player, and if anyone can turn themselves into a great QB, Tim can.

Likwid Kerruj
01-08-2011, 07:40 PM
Do you know how good an AVERAGE of 9-7 is over a DECADE post Elway?

4-12 and possibly worse in 2011 is better.

baja
01-08-2011, 07:43 PM
Ventured onto John's Twitter to see this:


Quote:
Any speculation that the Denver Broncos are considering moving Tim is completely false.


Quote:
To clarify my thoughts on Tim Tebow... I think he's a very good football player, and if anyone can turn themselves into a great QB, Tim can.


Well we managed to squeeze in 9 pages before you spoiled all the fun.;D

UboBronco
01-08-2011, 07:49 PM
The only reason Elway uses twitter is to keep people that live by twitter to hopefully stop them from having a heart attack and over-reacting to mis-representations of the truth..

One who lives by twitter, does not take time to realize the truth...

great the Broncos brass uses Twitter. Next will be status updates telling us what bar/strip club Elway is getting sauced up at while he throws out plans for the Broncos on Twitter and Facebook.

We can't get but 4 games worst so at least the bar is low. Hopefully not that kind of bar though you friggin drunk.

Maybe Elway will be just like he was in his playing days. It will be 3 days until the draft then out of nowhere Elway hires a GM fires Xanders, fires himself, and says my work here is done...CHAMPIONSHIP.

baja
01-08-2011, 07:55 PM
Elway and the Broncos are going to be fine. It's Pat you gotta worry about.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-08-2011, 07:59 PM
Elway and the Broncos are going to be fine. It's Pat you gotta worry about.

Please pay no attention to the elephant in the room.

baja
01-08-2011, 08:05 PM
Please pay no attention to the elephant in the room.


What elephant? ;D


Is that crystal ball warranted?

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 09:55 PM
Indeed. His "greenness" is showing, but hey this is what Pat wanted and we all know Pat makes great decisions.
So king's inability put a clear thought into the world now means that Elway is showing his greenness?

I guess people are willing to get into bed with anyone to try and save their interwebs ego these days.

I would have thought you were above getting in bed with a pile like Peter King, but that's about on par with where this forum has gotten to I guess.

If Elway thinks he can just go ahead and trade Tebow simply because he's in charge now....wow, he's in for a shock.
This doesn't even need comment in light of King's comments, but it does go to show that you're just an emotional fool when it comes to Elway and that you won't judge him by what he actually does for the franchise.

TheReverend
01-08-2011, 10:13 PM
Is that what you're looking for, a chance to say look how good? Not that we made the playoffs and won some playoff games and then ultimately the SB, but how good 9-7 is over a decade. 4 playoff appearances since Elway left and only 1 win, almost 12 years. Glad you're happy. And don't come back with look at other teams because I don't give a **** about other teams.

We did go to the post season without Elway... and spent one in the AFCCG

The only two trophies the franchise has ever seen? Not post Elway

So?

Set records over the decade in yards, points, rushing yards? This and a beer will get you comfortable on the couch to watch the other teams.

To watch the other teams, what?

One of the fastest coaches to ever reach 100 wins? Good for Shanahan

Yes, it's very good for him.

Turned Griese, Plummer and Cutler into a pro bowl QB? Well we all know how fickle the pro bowl selections can be. I almost gagged reading this.

Good for you. Whether you like it or not, it's a large accomplishment.

lostknight
01-08-2011, 10:15 PM
So king's inability put a clear thought into the world now means that Elway is showing his greenness?


it was a bit of a boo-boo. It's a no-win situation. Elway doesn't want to repeat the Cutler debacle that was started when Bowlen committed to Cutler over whatever new coach was selected. That went boom when Josh decided to travel through a minefield with a pogo stick by courting Cassel. Now what happens if the press asks Elway if he will trade Tebow or not.

Elway doesn't want to say "We are going to trade Tebow" because that would pretty much wipe out the one remaining reason anyone is paying attention to this abomination of a team.

I do think the front office is panicing. Neither Malarky nor Hardball would give them the time of day. Mike Florio is being a one man slime machine, attacking everything that the organization has done, no matter who the GM is, who the head coach is, who the QB is. And you can bet that for every word that Peter King wrote on the record, there were two off the record comments.

it's one thing to give a interview to the 87.7 folks. They are reasonably well informed, don't take things out of context, etc. But Peter King doesn't know that football exists outside of New England, and the only time he covers anything that isn't on a coast is when some uppity team hires a coach away from the "prestige" teams.

We've been kicked, hit, insulted, and generally shat upon by the Broncos FO the last few years.Part of the reason everyone seems to have panic'd this afternoon is because such a move would be consistant with the modified Murphy's law we have been living under - whatever can go wrong, will go wrong, at the worst possible moment.

Boobs McGee
01-08-2011, 10:29 PM
Thread recap please

OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 10:46 PM
Thread recap please

Peter King coupled personal conjecture with a partial comment from Elway to make a provocative statement about Tebow possibly being traded to Minnesota if McDaniels goes there. He said Elway doesnt think he is a great QB right now.

King clarified saying the Minnesota stuff was pure conjecture on his part and Elway tweeted to calrify his comments while also saying there is no intention of trading Tebow.

Basically, it was really shoddy work by Peter King and Elway could have probably done a better job of handling his discussion with the media...at least where Peter King is concerned.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 10:48 PM
Thread recap please

Elway said that Tebow has work to do to become a great NFL QB.

Peter King said that Elway said that Tebow is not a good quarterback, and that he was likely to be traded to the Vikings.

Everyone who was anxious about Elway in the FO now believes that Peter King is a great journalist who would never take anything out of context to get attention.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 10:49 PM
Thread recap please

King implied Elway didn't like TT & McD- did, so we might trade him to McD-'s new team, which looks like Minn.

King's words on a technical level were okay, but pretty much the entire football universe (even beyond the OM) heard the implication in his words.

People went crazy.

King backtracked on Twitter, and Elway named Tebow the Godfather of his children.

Everyone is now back where they started, which is all over the place.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 10:51 PM
it was a bit of a boo-boo. It's a no-win situation. Elway doesn't want to repeat the Cutler debacle that was started when Bowlen committed to Cutler over whatever new coach was selected. That went boom when Josh decided to travel through a minefield with a pogo stick by courting Cassel. Now what happens if the press asks Elway if he will trade Tebow or not.

Elway doesn't want to say "We are going to trade Tebow" because that would pretty much wipe out the one remaining reason anyone is paying attention to this abomination of a team.

I do think the front office is panicing. Neither Malarky nor Hardball would give them the time of day. Mike Florio is being a one man slime machine, attacking everything that the organization has done, no matter who the GM is, who the head coach is, who the QB is. And you can bet that for every word that Peter King wrote on the record, there were two off the record comments.

it's one thing to give a interview to the 87.7 folks. They are reasonably well informed, don't take things out of context, etc. But Peter King doesn't know that football exists outside of New England, and the only time he covers anything that isn't on a coast is when some uppity team hires a coach away from the "prestige" teams.

We've been kicked, hit, insulted, and generally shat upon by the Broncos FO the last few years.Part of the reason everyone seems to have panic'd this afternoon is because such a move would be consistant with the modified Murphy's law we have been living under - whatever can go wrong, will go wrong, at the worst possible moment.

What are you talking about?

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 10:51 PM
King implied Elway didn't like TT & McD- did, so we might trade him to McD-'s new team, which looks like Minn.

King's words on a technical level were okay, but pretty much the entire football universe (even beyond the OM) heard the implication in his words.

People went crazy.

King backtracked on Twitter, and Elway named Tebow the Godfather of his children.

Everyone is now back where they started, which is all over the place.

Yeah, he pretty much spun Elways words to mean that Tebow was possibly on his way out because Elway didnt think that he would be an NFL quarterback.

Dedhed
01-08-2011, 10:53 PM
Yeah, he pretty much spun Elways words to mean that Tebow was possibly on his way out because Elway didnt think that he would NOT be an NFL quarterback.

Fixed.

Archer81
01-08-2011, 10:55 PM
King: Blah blah blah Elway said blah blah Tebow is not a good NFL QB right now blah blah McDaniels loves Tebow blah blah trade him to Minnesota cuz they need a QB blah blah conjecture blah blah Im tom brady's bitch ( I might have misheard this).

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 11:00 PM
Fixed.

Ha!

Nice.

...and with that little turn, you have the microcosm of the thread.

frerottenextelway
01-08-2011, 11:00 PM
Yeah, he pretty much spun Elways words to mean that Tebow was possibly on his way out because Elway didnt think that he would be an NFL quarterback.

Yep. My wife, who knows ZERO about football, said "why are they getting rid of Tebow" after King's report.

It's a good job by King, he gets the attention and hides behind the technical meaning of his words, while the implication of what he said was something much bigger.

Taco John
01-08-2011, 11:06 PM
John Elway's touch point is among one of the best things ever in Broncos history.

KipCorrington25
01-08-2011, 11:25 PM
Wait, Elway is going to not unlike Tebow, wrong?

baja
01-08-2011, 11:25 PM
John Elway's touch point is among one of the best things ever in Broncos history.

I'm laughing like hell because I honestly don't know if you are being sarcastic or not.

Because I think it kinda is, or will prove to be.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 11:29 PM
Wait, Elway is going to not unlike Tebow, wrong?

I dont think that Elway isnt going to unlike Tebow because the original dislike wasnt about liking or disliking Tebow rather than about not disliking what Tebow isnt as a QB.

Right? ???

SoCalBronco
01-08-2011, 11:32 PM
This thread needs more Guile's theme. It goes with everything.

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OrangeSe7en
01-08-2011, 11:43 PM
John Elway's touch point is among one of the best things ever in Broncos history.

Sorry but that sounds a little perverted.

footstepsfrom#27
01-08-2011, 11:55 PM
This is both puzzling and alarming. For one, why would King make up such a thing? For another, why on earth would Elway ever make such a statement on the record?
This is exactly what I was afraid of with Elway taking over, that no matter what he does, in the posiiton he's in, he's going to tarnish his image with the Denver fan base. No matter what he did in the past, watch how quickly it takes people to forget if things don't change immediately...and I mean that as within a year.

Elway is a rookie again. I hope he remembers that.

footstepsfrom#27
01-09-2011, 12:07 AM
Alot is wrong with Peter King. But in this case, he had to take something out of context. Why would any NFL exec purposely trash one of his own players to a known talking head? If any QB is leaving Denver for Minnesota, its Orton. I really doubt Tebow gets a 3 game tryout and then gets shipped out for picks, no matter how much McDaniels loved Tebow Minnesota is a team more or less built to win now. How would a rookie QB get them where they need or want to go?

:Broncos:
I see Minny being interested in Vince Young.

footstepsfrom#27
01-09-2011, 12:20 AM
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1207986387/elway_twitter_avatar3_normal.jpg
johnelway (http://twitter.com/#!/johnelway) John Elway



To clarify my thoughts on Tim Tebow... I think he's a very good football player, and if anyone can turn themselves into a great QB, Tim can
Entirely apart from this discussion, here's something to ponder; is it really a good idea for NFL execs to be twittering stuff? It just seems like a catastrophe waiting in the wings to me.

Homer Simpson
01-09-2011, 12:22 AM
If we traded Tebow I would finally understand the Hillis thread.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-09-2011, 12:33 AM
What intrigues me is how much we could rebuild our defense with at least 2 firsts, 2 2nd's and a third round pick... plus more... say another third and a 2nd next year.

Still don't know if I'd do it but it's worth considering to me.

I dont see any team offering us 2 1's, 3 2's, and 2 3's for Tebow. No way that player that is still effectively a project gets this. I dont know if you would get this much if he had played played all year and had erased all of the questions that surround him. This is a Ricky/Herschel type of trade in terms of bounty. And if in some sort of dream world where this large of an offer does materialize, on a team that lacks talent at so many positions, you cant turn that down. Your are in a way saying that he is untradeable.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-09-2011, 12:37 AM
Entirely apart from this discussion, here's something to ponder; is it really a good idea for NFL execs to be twittering stuff? It just seems like a catastrophe waiting in the wings to me.

No, he shouldn't be on Twitter.

Play2win
01-09-2011, 01:29 AM
Thread recap please

Context is everything, and swift rebuttals work. :)

dbfan21
01-09-2011, 04:11 AM
I'm guessing 10 pages in 24 hours.

ding ding ding!!! nice guess!! :thumbsup:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-09-2011, 07:52 AM
I find it funny that so many of you who loved the idea of having Elway be so transparent are now seeing the error of such a thing. It's a terrible idea.

There are SOME THINGS that a coach and front office should keep close to the vest. This is quickly turning into a friggin' circus.

If nothing else, the organization should hire someone to run Elway's twitter... several people to determine whether something should or shouldn't be shared.

I'm available for just such a job.

Beantown Bronco
01-09-2011, 07:56 AM
Great. Less than one week on the job and he's already doing his best McD impersonation. Will people hate Elway the same way they hated McD for always seemingly being in the news for something he either said, implied or was caught in the middle of.

Some people just can't seem to get out of their own way with the media.