Congresswoman from Arizona shot

[snowspot66]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/politics/?gt1=43001


U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head while holding a public event in Tucson, according to medial reports.

Up to 12 others were injured after an unidentified gunman ran up and began shooting indiscriminately as Giffords addressed supporters outside a Safeway grocery store, The Associated Press reported.

Giffords was shot point blank in the head, according to Fox News.

Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first "Congress on Your Corner" event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson, NPR reported....
More at the link but not much more as it's still not clear the condition of any of the victims.

[snowspot66]

*edit* Misinformation from news source.

[cutthemdown]

Holy crap!

[snowspot66]

It looks like the idiots are finally taking her rhetoric literally. Her being Palin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/sarah-palins-pac-puts-gun_n_511433.html


Sarah Palin is targeting -- yes, with gun sights -- House Democrats facing tough reelection fights who voted for health care reform.

Palin's Facebook page now carries a map featuring 20 gun sights, one for each of the Democrats targeted this year by her political action committee SarahPAC. Three of the gun sights, those where incumbent Democrats have already announced their retirement, are colored red.
The Congresswoman from Arizona was one of the targeted people on that map.

[cutthemdown]

So this get spun as being Palins fault? Wow.

[The Lone Bolt]

This is horrific. If the loonie cites Palin as his inspiration she should be ashamed.

[cutthemdown]

She should be ashamed of not knowing history but not about this.

[DivineBronco]

it seems the shooter is still alive....that almost never happens....this is crazy

[DivineBronco]

MSNBC just had the sheriff on the air; he says "100% surely" that Rep Gabrielle Giffords is still alive and in critical condition.


hmmmm

[snowspot66]

So this get spun as being Palins fault? Wow.

In the HIGHLY unlikely event that this is not a politically motivated attack I will retract that post. But at this point in time I'd bet my very last dollar that the guy who did this was a hardcore Palin follower. Palin is no longer an issue of Republican versus Democrat. It's an issue of what is good for this country and even Republicans, the chief beneficiaries of her face being plastered all over the place, will agree that she is not good for the country.

Let me be clear I'm not making this an R versus D issue.

[snowspot66]

MSNBC just had the sheriff on the air; he says "100% surely" that Rep Gabrielle Giffords is still alive and in critical condition.


hmmmm

Hopefully that's true. NPR has conflicting reports. That's who I was quoting.

[TDmvp]

JEez could tv stations have more conflicting reports ... on Fox they claim she has died , on Msnbc they say she in surgery...

Wow

[Requiem]

Just read this on Facebook. Wow.

[BroncoLifer]

In the HIGHLY unlikely event that this is not a politically motivated attack I will retract that post. But at this point in time I'd bet my very last dollar that the guy who did this was a hardcore Palin follower. Palin is no longer an issue of Republican versus Democrat. It's an issue of what is good for this country and even Republicans, the chief beneficiaries of her face being plastered all over the place, will agree that she is not good for the country.

Let me be clear I'm not making this an R versus D issue.

Here's an idea: Wait until more facts are in before letting fly with your theories and possibly making an ass of yourself.

[snowspot66]

Here's an idea: Wait until more facts are in before letting fly with your theories and possibly making an ass of yourself.

I guess we'll have to wait and see then won't we.

[Requiem]

EXCERPT FROM CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1)

Giffords, a Democrat, was first elected in 2006. She has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee and also holds seats on the House Science and Technology and Armed Services committees.

She won her third term in a closely contested race against a Tea Party-sponsored candidate and was one of three Democratic legislators who reported vandalism at their offices following the March vote on health care reform.

She is married to Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, a NASA astronaut who is scheduled to lead a space shuttle mission to the International Space Station.

Motive unclear, but I wouldn't be surprised. . .

[Pseudofool]

At a grocery store where my parents shop. Ugg.

[Pseudofool]

So this get spun as being Palins fault? Wow.When you use cross-hairs to target opponents, and your base is gun freaks who hunt from helicopters, you certainly invite some criticism when the targeted opponent gets shot in the head. Is it Palins fault? Of course not. But does she play a part in create a violent culture that might target liberals--I think that's possible.

[snowspot66]

What I'm reading is that the others who were shot were either all or mostly her aides.

[Requiem]

At a grocery store where my parents shop. Ugg.

Praying for their safety. I have family in Tuscon too. This is awful.

[snowspot66]

When you use cross-hairs to target opponents, and your base is gun freaks who hunt from helicopters, you certainly invite some criticism when the targeted opponent gets shot in the head. Is it Palins fault? Of course not. But does she play a part in create a violent culture that might target liberals--I think that's possible.

Put words to it better than I did. I think the bolded part is especially true. I would go even further and state that she is the leader in that regard. Her divisive and incendiary rhetoric is beyond any other nationally recognized figure.

[elsid13]

Well this is ****ed up. I understand it is head wound and she is in Surgery. One the aides has died.

[Pseudofool]

Hearing a federal judge has been shot as well. The shooter evidently spoke out name as he was shooting people, as if from a list (via huffpo).

[snowspot66]

Hearing a federal judge has been shot as well. The shooter evidently spoke out name as he was shooting people, as if from a list (via huffpo).

Where did you hear that?

*edit* never mind didn't see the end part.

[Pseudofool]

Here's more on the notion of creating a violent culture targeting liberals (specifically Gifford).

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg617/scaled.php?tn=0&server=617&filename=p7w.png&xsize=640&ysize=640

[Fedaykin]

It was only a matter of time before the lunacy of the current political climate led to this.

[peacepipe]

It was only a matter of time,I'm actually not that surprised by this. How surprised can anyone be when they spend 2-3 yrs convincing their entire base that the other side pals around with terrorist,are socialist,communists & every other ist or ism.

my prayers are with her & their families.

[TailgateNut]

It looks like the idiots are finally taking her rhetoric literally. Her being Palin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/sarah-palins-pac-puts-gun_n_511433.html

The Congresswoman from Arizona was one of the targeted people on that map.


Time to Lock and Load!

It was only a matter of time before it came to pure violence.

[elsid13]

Via Brian Stelter (http://twitter.com/#%21/brianstelter/status/23840849271980032), state senator Linda Lopez tells Fox, "We just heard that [Giffords] is responding to commands. She made it through surgery."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-shot-c_n_806211.html

[chadta]

In the HIGHLY unlikely event that this is not a politically motivated attack I will retract that post. But at this point in time I'd bet my very last dollar that the guy who did this was a hardcore Palin follower. Palin is no longer an issue of Republican versus Democrat. It's an issue of what is good for this country and even Republicans, the chief beneficiaries of her face being plastered all over the place, will agree that she is not good for the country.

Let me be clear I'm not making this an R versus D issue.

really ?

some waco shoots a bunch of people, its the friggin wacos fault, nobody elses.

you may not be trying to make it an R vs D thing, but you sure are taking the typical liberal stand of " its somebody elses fault" blame the idiot with the gun, you know the person who actually committed the crime, dont blame the gun, dont blame the highschool teacher, dotn blame the mom, the dad, blame the person who pulled the trigger.

[DivineBronco]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_APNEWSALERT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-01-08-15-46-15

ASHINGTON (AP) -- AP sources: Gunman in Arizona lawmaker's shooting identified as Jared Laughner

22......ugh

[snowspot66]

really ?

some waco shoots a bunch of people, its the friggin wacos fault, nobody elses.

you may not be trying to make it an R vs D thing, but you sure are taking the typical liberal stand of " its somebody elses fault" blame the idiot with the gun, you know the person who actually committed the crime, dont blame the gun, dont blame the highschool teacher, dotn blame the mom, the dad, blame the person who pulled the trigger.

Yes really. Palin has done a very good job of walking that line but never crossing it. But as she nears that line, even if she never crosses it, with the rhetoric and language she uses she brings along a lot of people who may be willing and able to cross that line. We are potentially seeing that now. As a public and nationally recognized figure she has her own responsibilities in the way she acts and speaks. As has been said in posts above when you start claiming people are hanging around with terrorists, are socialists and communists (which to a lot of people in her base is about as bad as you can be), and bringing about the downfall of this country, among other incendiary remarks what do you expect the results to be? A well mannered and reasonable debate on economics?

[DivineBronco]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/2/PnNx0WThoF0


simple search of that name brings up a creepy youtube channel

not saying it is the same person just throwing it out there

[Requiem]

It is the same person. Tuscon is the city.

[Obushma]

This was posted over @ Ron Paul forums...

Apparently, some angry Daily Kos person posted this @
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!

The link has been deleted, but here is the cashed version

My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!

by BoyBlue

Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST

I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords' district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona House, surrounded by rightwing nutcases. When Arizona re-districted in 2002, a seat opened up and she was right smack in the middle of it. So was I because I live in Oro Valley, Arizona, which is at the heart of that - then - new CD. I was one of several people to talk her into running and pledging complete loyalty and pledging to raise as much money as possible for her.

She ended up running for the first time against a fellow AZ House member, Randy Graf who was a rightwing whacko who advocated guns in bars and was the "Russell Pearce before Russell Pearce" vis-a-vis border issues. With a LOT of hard work and plenty of money, Gabby won. Easier than thought, too. I never like to throw money in people's faces, but i have given Gabrielle Giffords THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars in both good times and bad times for me financially.

BoyBlue's diary :: ::
Fast forward to this election season. A weirdo a-hole named Jesse Kelly who advocated ELIMINATING Social Security and was a tea bagger favorite got the GOP nom to run against her. I am gay and had been married and my spouse left me January 15, 2010. I shot myself in the mouth in a serious suicide attempt, because of that. Barely surviving, I spent two months in the hospital and still have some paralysis. I did receive a severance from my employer, as i had been laid off in December, 2009. That may have been part of the reason my spouse left me.

Anyway, after months of physical and mental rehab, I got back into the political scene and started working for Gabby once again. I raised over $100,000 for her and maxed her out myself out of my severance, even though i still don't have work and could not qualify for state aid because of my severance.

She wins her re-election and told me she was still a supporter of Speaker Pelosi at her victory party. We talked about how Nancy Pelosi was a successful woman and accomplished oh so much in just four years as Speaker.

Today, just a little while ago, I saw on Andrea Mitchell Reports (out of the one eye in can still see out of) that Giffords voted AGAINST Nancy Pelosi as our Minority Leader. Rhetorical question: I fought back from my condition and jumped in with both feet to help Gabrielle Giffords for THIS sh*t???

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now. I won't lift a finger, make one phone call, nor will i EVER vote for her in the future. And why did she do this? Giffords never told me she was conservative Democrat. And her voting record is okay. Damn.

Tags: leadership elections, 2010, Gabrielle, Giffords (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

[Obushma]

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Tip Jar (10+ / 0-)
Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:18 AM PST
Look, it DOESN'T matter WHY (3+ / 0-)
she did this or whom she voted for. It could have been Elvis or Jesus Christ...it accomplishes NOTHING but plays into the MEDIA NARRATIVE of Democrats against Pelosi. Just watch.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:53:00 AM PST
[ Parent ]
BoyBlue, you stated (2+ / 0-)
her voting record is okay.

If you are satisfied with the way she votes; why not vote for her again?

by Kitty on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:56:38 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Why are you telling us this? (6+ / 0-)
Call their office and let them know... handwrite this diary on stationary, sign, and hand deliver it to her field office. Those kind of letters get attention.

DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

by LordMike on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:09:05 AM PST
because this is a blog. (8+ / 0-)
"I drank what?!" -Socrates

by bagman on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:11:09 AM PST
[ Parent ]
already done. but people need to know (8+ / 0-)
about our turncoats. i have even left a message on HER cell. which she won't return.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:11:50 AM PST
[ Parent ]
She voted for Rep. John Lewis (27+ / 0-)
Not Shuler. Statement:

Congresswoman Giffords today cast a ceremonial vote in the process of confirming Rep. John Boehner as the next Speaker of the House of Representatives.

The congresswoman’s vote for Rep. John Lewis signaled her desire for courageous leadership and high moral standards at a critical time in our nation’s history. He is one of our nation’s most prominent civil rights leaders and a hero to all Americans.

John Lewis spent a lifetime standing up for the enduring values that sets our nation apart from all others. He is widely admired by his colleagues on both sides of the aisle and in both houses of Congress. Sen. John McCain, put it well in his 2004 book, “Why Courage Matters: the Way to a Braver Life.” Sen. McCain wrote that “John Lewis was as courageous as anyone could ever hope to be.”

In words and deeds, John Lewis should be a clear and bright guiding light for every member of Congress and every American. His integrity and civility is an example for us all.

by Adam B on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:13:49 AM PST
I thought you meant against Pelosi as Min. Leader (3+ / 0-)
For THAT I could see your vitriol, but on this?

What was essentially a coronation for Boehner? Not so much. Heck, she could have voted for Donkey Kong, and I wouldn't care much. [But I agree that Shuler would be a terrible choice.]

We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

by Samer on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:19:42 AM PST
[ Parent ]
She Might Have (1+ / 0-)
If memory serves, Giffords kept her Minority Leader vote on the DL.

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:27:02 AM PST
[ Parent ]
well thanks for this but it is silly. (2+ / 0-)
why? because she is helping the media narrative that NINETEEN Democrats voted against Nancy Pelosi. I always knew Gabby wasn't the brightest bulb (but always voted correctly), but i must say, that vote and that statement, in lieu of how the media spins things like this is just....STUPID. And Pelosi has a LOOOONG memory and our CD is now at the bottom of the barrel because of this. She embarrassed the former Speaker, she embarrassed herself, and she embarrassed ME as a former supporter.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:19:48 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Um... (4+ / 0-)
You always knew she wasn't the brighest bulb? Why would you give thousands of your own dollars away to someone you thought was stupid? Sounds like you may be the one who isn't the brightest bulb.

by MRobDC on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:22:41 AM PST
[ Parent ]
perhaps, but i wanted a more left congressperson. (1+ / 0-)
Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:30:37 AM PST
[ Parent ]
A Couple Points (14+ / 0-)
First: Giffords is an actual Blue Dog (not like the way Kossacks use it) so if you've worked so hard for her I don't know how you wouldn't know that.

Second: She didn't vote for Shuler. She voted for John Lewis; as did fellow Blue Dog John Barrow.

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:19:06 AM PST
not so shocking (2+ / 0-)
that a blue dog is against Pelosi.

by House of Gin on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:20:35 AM PST
[ Parent ]
No, And It Will Play Well In Her District (2+ / 0-)
Same for Barrow when the time comes.

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:22:17 AM PST
[ Parent ]
do YOU live here? Pelosi was NOT an issue (0+ / 0-)
in this election. keep buying into the media BULLsh*t, bro!!!

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:27:56 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Your District is R+4 "Bro" (3+ / 0-)
I didn't say Pelosi was a big factor in the district, but she's even less of a factor now that whoever runs against her next time won't be able to say, "And she voted to continue San Francisco Liberal Nancy Pelosi's tenure as speaker!"

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:31:23 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Tucson "Rs" are usually moderate to even liberal (1+ / 0-)
Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:54:37 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Yup - the kind that might vote for a Blue Dog (0+ / 0-)
but not for a real progressive. So, advantage Gabby.

You might consider moving to Raul's district if it means that much to you...

by furi kuri on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:43:20 PM PST
[ Parent ]
read my comment to Adam B below please (0+ / 0-)
thanks.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:28:25 AM PST
[ Parent ]
yeah but fact remains (0+ / 0-)
she's a freakin blue dog. The shocking thing is you believed her lies and worked for her. Lesson learned.

by House of Gin on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:24:38 PM PST
[ Parent ]
she has told me personally that she is a (2+ / 0-)
BDINO = Blue Dog In Name Only

So, yeah, i did know that. And she comes from a rich family so let her finance her own goddam elections from now on. But i hope she loses. Rumor has it Arizona's "Independent" Re-Districting Commission (but in reality, is a GOP shill group) is planning on tossing her and Grijalva into the same CD for next time. Well, hmmm, since i helped them BOTH in 2010, and now this backstabbing from Giffords, who do you think i will work for next time??? Hint: i LOVE Raul and he is a friend as well and is sooo strong on my signature issues of gay rights.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:26:47 AM PST
[ Parent ]
She Lied To You (3+ / 0-)
ProgressivePunch rates Giffords almost dead last among Democrats when it comes to voting on the right side in the areas of Aid to the Less Advantaged, Fair Taxation, and Making the Government Work for Everybody, Not Just the Rich and Powerful.

http://progressivepunch.org/...

Too Folk For You

by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:29:19 AM PST
[ Parent ]
okay, so she's a liar and i am an idiot. (1+ / 0-)
she's STILL dead to me.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:31:19 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Considering that much of Jesse Kelly's campaign (7+ / 0-)
consisted of painting Gabby as a "Pelosi Democrat", can you conceive that the Lewis vote was for protective cover come 2012 ("I voted against Nancy Pelosi") and may even have been with the new Minority Leader's blessing?
It's not like the vote was critical, or even close. Perhaps you're overreacting here.

Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt.

by DaNang65 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:20:07 AM PST
wrong. do YOU live here? (0+ / 0-)
That was NOT a central tenet of his whacko campaign. Don't say sh*t unless you know, k???

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:29:35 AM PST
[ Parent ]
In fact I do live in Tucson, in CD-07, (2+ / 0-)
and heard a never ending stream of tv commercials by or on Kelley's behalf.
Perhaps you think of Oro Valley as representative of CD-08, I think it's much more about Cochise County and the east side of town.

Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt.

by DaNang65 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:34:12 AM PST
[ Parent ]
I know CD-07 better. I walked, er, limped it. (0+ / 0-)
MANY times. And it is FULL of "Giffords Republicans." full of liberal Republicans in general? Do you know the names Jim Kolbe, Toni Hellon, and Mike Hellon???

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:04:33 PM PST
[ Parent ]
Is this some sort of twenty questions game? (1+ / 0-)
Do I get to ask any?
Of course I know who Jim Kolbe is. Being in LD-27 I'm not as familiar with the Hellon's, but have a vague awareness of their existence.
Now my turn. Why was it necessary to put the word CongressWOMAN in that capitalization? Should I infer something from your sig line?

Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt.

by DaNang65 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:16:22 PM PST
[ Parent ]
we both had expressed admiration for a WOMAN (2+ / 0-)
Speaker and how things have come a long way. Then she throws Nancy under the bus? Giffords isn't qualified to carry Pelosi's Prada handbag.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:40:45 PM PST
[ Parent ]
That's an acceptable explanation, although (0+ / 0-)
it might have been better spelled out in the text. Obviously any inference I might have drawn would have been inappropriate.
I still disagree with the necessary truth of your assertion that Rep. Giffords threw the former Speaker under the bus, and neither you nor I really know what, if any, transactions occurred privately between them.
Politics ain't beanbag, as Mr. Dooley noted.

Pancho needs your prayers it's true, but save a few for Lefty, too. Townes van Zandt.

by DaNang65 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:58:42 PM PST
[ Parent ]
The inference I made.... (1+ / 0-)
to the capitalization is this: Democratic women might want to support other Democratic women achieve as much power as possible in Congress (since women are underrepresented there).

Should BoyBlue (and the other gays reading this diary's thread) infer something about comments in this thread which ask "Why are you telling us this?" (and thank you bagman for your appropriate reply to that question....I'd tip you 100xs for that if I could), or that make an ad hominmen attack on the diarist by suggesting he's hysterical (you know us gays, how ****ing hysterical we can be) and needs to "calm down"?

by BoxerDave on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:43:41 PM PST
[ Parent ]
Oh, and might I add.... (1+ / 0-)
...that five kossacks (I'm naming them in case they delete their tip) tipped the ad hominem comment.

Adam B, homogenius, Annalize5, mcronan, bythesea, you should all be ashamed for tipping such an attack.

by BoxerDave on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:54:33 PM PST
[ Parent ]
It was an attack on the tone of the writing. (0+ / 0-)
However, had I known the author was gay (I take your word for it), I wouldn't have tipped it b/c of the word hysterical -- nor do I like seeing it used against women. For that reason, I'll pick up the rec.

[Obushma]

and

by Adam B on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 05:17:46 PM PST
[ Parent ]
Thank you so much for ur support. (1+ / 0-)
I appreciate it...bigtime. and, if you're gay like i am, even on progressive sites like this, we need to stick together. Giffords voted to repeal DADT and always accepted my being gay. THAT'S kinda why her vote "hurt" so much. I am bringing it up at our next local Democratic precinct meeting. Thanks again, Dave!!!!

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 06:01:48 PM PST
[ Parent ]
Looking at previous diaries (4+ / 0-)
You seem to have a knack for writing alarmist, hysterical diaries. Have a nice cup of tea, watch a little TV, and calm down a little before writing diaries please.

by MRobDC on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:37:47 AM PST
Perhaps I *feel* a little too much. (1+ / 0-)
I am working on that stuff with my shrinks after my suicide attempt. But thanks (sarcasm) for pointing that out. Actually, and THIS is silly, part of what went through my mind before i pulled the trigger - aside from the end of my gay marriage - was Blanche Lincoln killing the public option and the general feeling that HCR wasn't going anywhere. THAT'S how dedicated i am.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:59:33 AM PST
[ Parent ]
That's not dedication (1+ / 0-)
It is something I am glad to hear you are working hard on with your "shrinks".

I know that, but I don't believe it

by Catte Nappe on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:24:23 PM PST
[ Parent ]
Understand that political change is a long-term (4+ / 0-)
job. Please don't bet your life on such things again.

Good luck.

Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

by Sirenus on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:30:00 PM PST
[ Parent ]
This is silly. (2+ / 0-)
This is a district vote and one that is meaningless because she knows Pelosi will get the Leader position anyway. Giffords is a good one in a very red state (I live her too). It's standard fair to allow the purple districts to take some "face-saving" votes.

by BrowniesAreGood on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:52:23 AM PST
it plays into the media narrative of (2+ / 0-)
"Democrats against Pelosi" that only serves to help the repugs.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:56:22 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Until unemployment is under 9% (1+ / 0-)
it won't matter if she voted for Jesus Christ for Speaker. She's in an R+4, she's lucky she squeeked by this time.

by MRobDC on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:58:12 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Look at her previous elections. (1+ / 0-)
Her CD is VERY moderate, even liberal...VERY liberal in parts. and pro-gay. +R sometimes means less than people here think.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:02:06 PM PST
[ Parent ]
A very moderate district (2+ / 0-)
doesn't give Jesse Kelly 47.2% of the vote and the libertarian 3.9%. If the Liberterian hadn't been the race, Kelly would be your rep now. keep that in mind.

by MRobDC on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:07:35 PM PST
[ Parent ]
I don't buy that thinking. Sorry. Sell crazy (0+ / 0-)
someplace else, cuz i ain't buyin'.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:42:22 PM PST
[ Parent ]
It's a meaningless gesture (2+ / 0-)
and doesn't affect her important votes (such as her vote for DADT repeal ).

And next election you will have the choice of her or Jesse Kelly again.

I'm in Gabby's district now, and she has always been a blue dog - but she has always been the politican that saves us from the Jesse Kelly's of Arizona.

John McCain is deeply disappointed that Barack Obama has failed to follow through on John McCain's campaign promises.

by tiponeill on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:03:23 PM PST
Don't write a just diary about it.... (2+ / 0-)
....Write her an email. Easy enough to find the necessary link.

www.house.gov

Then look for her name and go to her website; then check for a Contact link.

Someone who has given her as much support as you should make an impression if you complain.

And....just a suggestion....ease off a bit from now on. You shouldn't beggar yourself supporting any political candidate. Direct more of your money and your energy to your your own concerns and good health.

Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

by Sirenus on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:28:13 PM PST
Oops! That subject line should be (2+ / 0-)
"don't just write a diary."

My bad.

Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

by Sirenus on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:32:44 PM PST
[ Parent ]
After reading your diary, and.... (1+ / 0-)
...nearly all of the comments in this thread, you deserve an empathic response from me BoyBlue. I'll do my best; here goes.

That Giffords did not bother to return your call after all the work you did for her, says something about her. If I had worked for her as you did, and if she had, after all my hard work, not returned my telephone call, I'd be furious with her. You'd be crazy not to be angry about that.

Thanks for writing this diary and for putting her name on my radar; I knew little about her before this diary/diary thread.

You certainly don't need to be asked "Why are you telling us this?", or "have a cup of tea" and chill out (not sure if there's some subtext to those comments or not, but the thread, overall, has put me in a surly mood). Some people are cruel mother****ers; but, you know this.

Stay strong; stay active; stay vocal.

by BoxerDave on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:22:23 PM PST
thank you for the VERY kind words!!!!!!!!! (1+ / 0-)
: )

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 01:44:32 PM PST
[ Parent ]
you are sooo cool and sweet!!! thank you again!!! (1+ / 0-)
my facebook, if ur interested, can be found at my private email:
joeystuart@gmail.com

You keep the faith, too, buddy!!!

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 06:04:15 PM PST
[ Parent ]
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[elsid13]

According the press statement from the hospital she was shot through the head and 9 year old was killed/

[snowspot66]

and

I don't think that's the same guy. He lists an email at the end of the comments and it has the name Joey Stuart.

[DivineBronco]

yeah the things in the youtube channel don't at all seem to jive with the issues the person on those forums speaks

[elsid13]

PHOENIX – A federal law enforcement official says that a federal judge was fatally shot in the attack on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona.
U.S. Marshal for Arizona David Gonzales confirmed to the Associated Press that U.S. District Judge John Roll died in the attack Saturday.
Gonzales offered no other details into the shooting.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110108/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot_judge_1

[bombay]

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/palin-crosshairs.jpg

[snowspot66]

yeah the things in the youtube channel don't at all seem to jive with the issues the person on those forums speaks

The youtube channel is pretty weird. At times he seems to be anti-government which points to him being a lone crazy anarchist. At other times he seems to be raging on the issues the Tea Party ran on.

[TonyR]

Palin reloads, aims for Giffords
By Nyles Kendall

Published: Wednesday, September 29, 2010
Updated: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 02:09

With an endorsement record that now rivals those of many established Washington politicians, Sarah Palin has re-launched her "Take Back the 20" campaign. Its aim — pun intended — is to unseat Democratic incumbents who supported last year's health care reform package H.R. 3200, often referred to by Republicans as "Obamacare."

http://wildcat.arizona.edu/perspectives/palin-reloads-aims-for-giffords-1.1654164

[TonyR]

Her father Spencer Giffords, 75, was rushing to the hospital when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies. "Yeah," he told The New York Post. "The whole tea party."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ariz_congresswoman_shot_in_head_YFTvsurRHy5OWGSRKn uK8J#ixzz1ATfPK9fq

[TonyR]

Giffords warned of this:

"They really need to realize that the rhetoric and firing people up, and, you know, even things for example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. When people do that, you gotta realize there's consequences to that action."

[Pseudofool]

Giffords warned of this:

"They really need to realize that the rhetoric and firing people up, and, you know, even things for example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. When people do that, you gotta realize there's consequences to that action."How's them apples. And she's gonna live, can't wait for the coward-ass shooter to learn that.

[bombay]

Giffords warned of this:

"They really need to realize that the rhetoric and firing people up, and, you know, even things for example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. When people do that, you gotta realize there's consequences to that action."


Prophetic.

[Kid A]

Those youtube videos are being confirmed at this link as his: http://www.good.is/post/jared-lee-loughner-s-myspace-page-and-youtube-videos/

[DBruleU]

Tea Party?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/08/shooting-suspects-apparent-youtube-video/

Jared Loughner, the 22-year-old man who sources identify to Fox News as the gunman in custody in the deadly shooting rampage Saturday in Arizona, is suspected of posting a series of YouTube videos that show a focus on literacy and currency -- as well as his distrust in the government.

"Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner," one of the videos says, in words appearing on the screen. "This video is my introduction to you! My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don't dream - sadly."

The video, posted Dec. 15, later turns more political.

"The majority of citizens in the united states of America have never read the united states of America's constitution. You don't have to accept the federalist laws," the video's titles say. "In conclusion, reading the second United States constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar. No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver! No! I won't trust in god!"

Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among the people critically wounded in the shooting at a public event in Tucson, and several people were killed, including a federal judge and a 9-year-old boy.


Officials have said little publicly about the suspect in custody, but law enforcement sources who asked to remain anonymous identify him as Loughner.

Loughner's page on YouTube lists Tucson as his hometown. He also said he attended Northwest Aztec College and Pima County Community College. And in one of the videos, he says he is a military recruit.

He lists reading under interests, as well as "conscience dreams," and among his favorite books are "Mein Kampf," the "Communist Manifesto," "Animal Farm" and "Brave New World."

In a comment posted on MySpace three months ago in connection with a video about Pima Community College, Loughner wrote: "Hello, I know you’re illiterate! This is the greatest protest for exposure into a wrongful act. The school is breaking the constitution. If you watch the video then you’ll understand. The teachers are taking advantage of you in the first and Fifth Amendment. The United States Constitution, which is the law, can be broken at this school. Thank you and goodnight! Jared"

His last writing on his MySpace page was "Goodbye friends."

[DBruleU]

I guess we'll have to wait and see then won't we.

But you didn't wait and see...you already made your point without waiting and seeing...

[UberBroncoMan]

Hearing a federal judge has been shot as well. The shooter evidently spoke out name as he was shooting people, as if from a list (via huffpo).

The judge that died was a Republican appointed by Bush. 9 year old kid died too. The guy wasn't a true "Tea Party" dude or a real "Republican." Dude is a wacked out ****ing psychopath. Just look at his YouTube videos about brainwashing.

I think Palin is a bit on the retarded side, but to say this is her doing because she has "targets" to symbolize who need to be outed in the next election is beyond /facepalming.

Severe Anti-Palin and Pro-Palin people both seem to be ****ing retards with their judgments.

The people trying to spin this tragedy into something political is ****ing pathetic. Everyone who is doing it should be ashamed of themselves...but they won't. Wonder which side of the fence is trying to profit off of this?

[UberBroncoMan]

Ooooooo sht.

http://wireupdate.com/wires/13960/ja...agic-shooting/ (http://wireupdate.com/wires/13960/jared-lee-loughner-reportedly-met-with-congresswoman-giffords-before-tragic-shooting/)

“He was a pot head and into rock, like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven’t seen him in person since 2007 in a sign language class. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in 2006 and dropped out of school. Mainly a loner, very philosophical,” she wrote.

Way to jump to conclusions. ****ing retards all over Twitter with their conservatives did this bull ****.

As posted. Look at the books he liked. ****ing radical socialist and communist ****. The guy even killed a Republican judge...AND AGAIN...A FREAKING NINE YEAR OLD GIRL.

http://twitter.com/caitieparker/

@lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.

WHAM!

It's just like the discovery channel bomber all over again.

[snowspot66]

But you didn't wait and see...you already made your point without waiting and seeing...

I made an assumption that may be true or may be false. I will freely admit if it turns out to be wrong that I was wrong. However, all points regarding Palin's rhetoric and divisiveness will still stand. Palin and those like her are not good for this country. Or do you believe "Second Amendment remedies" is appropriate political rhetoric?

[DBruleU]

I made an assumption that may be true or may be false. I will freely admit if it turns out to be wrong that I was wrong. However, all points regarding Palin's rhetoric and divisiveness will still stand. Palin and those like her are not good for this country. Or do you believe "Second Amendment remedies" is appropriate political rhetoric?

I don't like Palin, so I don't care really.

Your assumption was stupid.

[UberBroncoMan]

I don't like Palin, so I don't care really.

Your assumption was stupid.

To be fair, most of the left went bat **** rabid crazy on the same assumption. ****ing Twitter and Blogosphere was on fire with "a crazy right-winger shot Giffords" etc. I mean...she's a Democrat so it had to be a Republican right? Never mind the kid and the Republican judge that were killed.

[Kid A]

He lists reading under interests, as well as "conscience dreams," and among his favorite books are "Mein Kampf," the "Communist Manifesto," "Animal Farm" and "Brave New World."



Not exactly consistent there, is he, listing two founding fascist and communist texts alongside two anti-fascist and anti-communist novels.

From the little of his videos I watched I got the impression of a pseudo-intellectual anarchist. Given what he did today we can add mentally unstable to that description. Not sure anything that comes out about this guy is going to necessarily fit anyone's agenda for "what he represents." Just a sick mind with some misplaced obsession and hatred in him.

[hookemhess]

First, thoughts/prayers/condolences with the slain, injured and people/families involved. Senseless violence disgusts me.

This is relevant as we follow the story the next few days.

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[spdirty]

****ing psychotic liberals go around shooting other liberals and then go around trying to figure out how to blame Sarah Palin for it all. Dip****s.

[snowspot66]

I don't like Palin, so I don't care really.

Your assumption was stupid.

If it was so stupid then why did everybody make it? That's the sad state of political rhetoric right now. An event like this is actually expected.

[DBruleU]

If it was so stupid then why did everybody make it? That's the sad state of political rhetoric right now. An event like this is actually expected.

Maybe cause everyone is equally as stupid?

[BroncoLifer]

If it was so stupid then why did everybody make it? That's the sad state of political rhetoric right now. An event like this is actually expected.

Everyone?

[DBruleU]

Everyone?

He means the liberal blogosphere.

[snowspot66]

He means the liberal blogosphere.

Including legitimate news sources but I suppose you consider them the same thing with the exception of Fox News.

[spdirty]

If it was so stupid then why did everybody make it?

Not everyone, only stupid people made that stupid assumption.

But...but...but...Palin! And targets! Damnit damnit damnit all the stupid people wanted so badly for it to be true! Thats ok, even though the gunman was a leftist whacko you'll still use this as an opportunity to rip into Palin. Because everythings political to you ****heads.

[cutthemdown]

snowspot its people like you who are the problem. You instantly take an issue and say how do I make this the other sides fault. You didn't wait you just said this is probably a Palin supporter.

Then you blame the system for your rhetoric which is a classic excuse.

Good job.

[snowspot66]

Not everyone, only stupid people made that stupid assumption.

But...but...but...Palin! And targets! Damnit damnit damnit all the stupid people wanted so badly for it to be true! Thats ok, even though the gunman was a leftist whacko you'll still use this as an opportunity to rip into Palin. Because everythings political to you ****heads.

Hah, him being a leftist whacko is entirely unproven at this point but you go ahead and make that assumption while you rip the rest of us for making a reasonable assumption.

Throw in the word stupid a few more times too.

[snowspot66]

snowspot its people like you who are the problem. You instantly take an issue and say how do I make this the other sides fault. You didn't wait you just said this is probably a Palin supporter.

Then you blame the system for your rhetoric which is a classic excuse.

Good job.

Feel free to think whatever you want. Feel free to label me as one side or the other. My only side is the one against the bile spewed by people like Palin. She just happens to be a Republican.

[BroncoLifer]

Hah, him being a leftist whacko is entirely unproven at this point but you go ahead and make that assumption while you rip the rest of us for making a reasonable assumption.

Throw in the word stupid a few more times too.

Number of mass shootings by Palin / Tea Party supporters in history: 0
Number of mass shootings by psychos having nothing to do with politics each year: Sadly, one or two.

Yet, you immediately figure that the former is the reasonable assumption and would "bet my very last dollar" on it. Yes, you're stupid.

[mhgaffney]

The judge that died was a Republican appointed by Bush. 9 year old kid died too. The guy wasn't a true "Tea Party" dude or a real "Republican." Dude is a wacked out ****ing psychopath. Just look at his YouTube videos about brainwashing.

I think Palin is a bit on the retarded side, but to say this is her doing because she has "targets" to symbolize who need to be outed in the next election is beyond /facepalming.

Severe Anti-Palin and Pro-Palin people both seem to be ****ing retards with their judgments.

The people trying to spin this tragedy into something political is ****ing pathetic. Everyone who is doing it should be ashamed of themselves...but they won't. Wonder which side of the fence is trying to profit off of this?


Hey Dufus, it is political.

The act was an attempted political assassination. The goal was to take out the Democratic congesswomen. It certainly succeeded in removing her from the political arena. If she lives it will take many months -- maybe years -- to recover. Her political career is probably over.

Palin's words and her website were an incitement to violence. There is no other way to read it. The woman is as much of a psychopath as McCain.

We live in a culture that loves violence. We are steeped in violence. Turn on the tube. It's everywhere.

Americans are so brainwashed they don't know what's up. You see this on the OM. The Vick bashers who hate him for torturing dogs -- The same idipts think torturing humans is great sport.

We live in Looney land -- and are slipping further to the right all the time. Bush I and II, and Clinton moved the goalposts.

The body searches is a step in the process to prepare us for military style rule -- with Palin or someone like her as a puppet president.

It;s coming -- if we don't stop it.

[snowspot66]

Number of mass shootings by Palin / Tea Party supporters in history: 0
Number of mass shootings by psychos having nothing to do with politics each year: Sadly, one or two.

Yet, you immediately figure that the former is the reasonable assumption and would "bet my very last dollar" on it. Yes, you're stupid.

How does a congresswoman and a federal judge = not politics?

The political atmosphere is highly divisive, highly incendiary, and at times a borderline incitement to violence. Honestly I would have to question your intelligence if you DIDN'T automatically assume that this was politically motivated in some way. It just so happens that these days the one doing the most talking is Palin and some of her supporters. TJ had to post a rule against speculating about Presidential assassination for a reason. For every stupid crazy liberal there's a stupid crazy redneck with a lot of guns and a lot of anger.

The fact that the guy is a psycho is not at debate here. The fact that he was capable of doing this automatically qualified him as crazy regardless of the target or motive.

[Boomhauer]

****ing psychotic liberals go around shooting other liberals and then go around trying to figure out how to blame Sarah Palin for it all. Dip****s.

This. Grab a headline and use it to blame the Tea Party, Palin, and probably say the second Amendment should be repealed. Mass hysteria fed to the idiot masses.
Q: Was she, or the Repub Federal Judge that was killed the target?
Q: This shooter was pure pinko, so in hindsight, should all communist/fascist/socialist be deprived gun rights to prevent this from happening again? Anyone that believes leftist doctrines are viable already have screws loose.

Some have suggested the shooter rambled about Gov mind control, but that is the dream, not the nightmare, of pinkos. An attack on Gov figures would not be retaliation for such beliefs, but to enforce them.
Q: Was this just another random public attack, but the crowd happened to contain Gov figures?
Q: Was he willfully serving what he thought was Gov intentions?

[bombay]

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1


There may be a 2nd 'person of interest'.

And the bomb squad is preparing to detonate a suspicious package near Giffords' office.

[BroncoLifer]

How does a congresswoman and a federal judge = not politics?

The political atmosphere is highly divisive, highly incendiary, and at times a borderline incitement to violence. Honestly I would have to question your intelligence if you DIDN'T automatically assume that this was politically motivated in some way.

The fact that the guy is a psycho is not at debate here. The fact that he was capable of doing this automatically qualified him as crazy regardless of the target or motive.

Maybe he's apolitical and just wanted attention. Maybe he didn't even know who he shot. Maybe he's so bat**** crazy that he thought Gabrielle Giffords is Sarah Palin. I don't know these things and neither do you.

I assume you're young. Someday you may understand that NOT automatically assuming things --especially in a highly charged or emotional environment -- is the intelligent thing to do.

[DBruleU]

Hah, him being a leftist whacko is entirely unproven at this point but you go ahead and make that assumption while you rip the rest of us for making a reasonable assumption.

Throw in the word stupid a few more times too.

Wow - Yeah guys. Don't make assumptions that are stupid...only snowspot can do that kinda stuff.

Dude seriously, this thread is a total fail on your part.

[mhgaffney]

Pure pinko?

Right. Here we go again.

That's like saying Lee H Oswald was a Castro lover (when in fact he was a CIA asset -- set up to be a patsie. Like he said: "I'm just the patsie..."

You prove my point: Americans (like you) are brainwashed over the edge...

[snowspot66]

Maybe he's apolitical and just wanted attention. Maybe he didn't even know who he shot. Maybe he's so bat**** crazy that he thought Gabrielle Giffords is Sarah Palin. I don't know these things and neither do you.

I assume you're young. Someday you may understand that NOT automatically assuming things --especially in a highly charged or emotional environment -- is the intelligent thing to do.

Holy **** I made an assumption on an internet message board! How dare I!

[snowspot66]

Wow - Yeah guys. Don't make assumptions that are stupid...only snowspot can do that kinda stuff.

Dude seriously, this thread is a total fail on your part.

Well if that proves true I still have a lot of catching up to do.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So this get spun as being Palins fault? Wow.

Way to jump to Bible Barbie's rescue.

She's been inciting these redneck idiots since the '08 election.

[Boomhauer]

Pure pinko? Right. Here we go again.
That's like saying Lee H Oswald was a Castro lover (when in fact he was a CIA asset -- set up to be a patsie. Like he said: "I'm just the patsie..." You prove my point: Americans (like you) are brainwashed over the edge..

Have you ever read your posts? LOL

[BroncoLifer]

Have you ever read your posts? LOL

He's either a huge fan of irony or totally oblivious to it.

[bombay]

Office was vandalized after health care vote.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...te.php?ref=fpb (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/flashback_gabby_giffords_faced_threats_over_heath_ care_vote.php?ref=fpb)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2011/01/gifford-vandalism-ap-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg

30-year-old Giffords staffer among the dead.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ad.php?ref=fpb (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/report-giffords-staffer-gabe-zimmerman-among-the-dead.php?ref=fpb)<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

[DBruleU]

Office was vandalized after health care vote.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...te.php?ref=fpb (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/flashback_gabby_giffords_faced_threats_over_heath_ care_vote.php?ref=fpb)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2011/01/gifford-vandalism-ap-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg

30-year-old Giffords staffer among the dead.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ad.php?ref=fpb (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/report-giffords-staffer-gabe-zimmerman-among-the-dead.php?ref=fpb)<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

Yeah, others were too.

That still means squat as to who did this.

[peacepipe]

http://jed-lewison.dailykos.com/

In a news conference just now, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said there was "reason to believe" that Jared Lee Loughner had a companion with him when he opened fire on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and eighteen others earlier today. Dupnik said he was not in a position to publicly identify this person, but said that he was a white man in his 50s and that the Sheriff's department has a photograph of the individual and is seeking his apprehension. He did not call the individual a suspect, but rather a person of interest.

Sheriff Dupnik said a total of nineteen people were shot, six of whom were killed. Loughner is in the custoday of the Pima County Sheriff's Department at the moment. Dupnik also referenced reports that a suspicious package had been identified at Giffords' Tucson office.

Sheriff Dupnik also made a passionate plea for cooler heads to prevail in political debate, decrying the vitriolic tone of some talk radio hosts.

When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the Capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.

Dupnik later added that such "vitriol might be free speech, but it's not without consequences."

[BroncoLifer]

So the Sheriff decries the vitriolic tone while simultaneously labeling other people bigots. Sigh.

[ghwk]

This is so obviously a result of all the vitriol encouraged by Rush, Beck, and Palin about how wronged all of society has been by anyone that dares to not follow their stupidity. No matter what is found out about this guy and the 2nd assailant the bitter and hateful right wing nuts spewing venom and encouraging rage are at the roots responsible. How dare the right not get their way, because they are in fact the right. My way or the highway and if not my way then you are a fair target. Thanks Sarah for being so cute about it.

[Boomhauer]

NYTimes reporting Repub Judge was primary target. Senior citizen accomplice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html

"Ms. Giffords had just been talking to a couple about Medicare and reimbursements, when the gunman walked up and shot Judge Roll, Mr. Kimble said. He added that the judge walked up to Giffords and shouted "Hi," and then the shooting began. "Everyone hit the ground," Kimble said. "It was so shocking. I still can’t believe this happened."
...
At a news conference Saturday evening, Sheriff Dupnik said there was "some reason to believe" that the suspect in custody did not act alone. Officials said they were seeking a second suspect: a 50-year-old, white male."
-------------------------------------------

While it may be convenient for the liberal media to blame Tea Partiers, it seems this was the act of like-minded pinkos and the death of a Demo was accidental. Where's the outrage at left-wing fanatics?

[Taco John]

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/palin-crosshairs.jpg

Same rhetoric at Daily Kos:

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-3-05-33-pm.png

[Taco John]

Looks like it was a disturbed Kos kid that did this:

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/


UPDATE: 445pm CST School classmates and former friends are describing Jared Lee Loughner as a committed Leftist and detail his support for the Democrat party and the far-Left’s agenda:


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I'm not saying this is a right/left thing. I think the kid was just a confused nutbag. I just think it's kind of shocking how quickly the left is ready to jump to conclusions without examining the evidence first.

[TDmvp]

Good finds TJ ... and who cares what his politics are , a scum bag nut bar is a scum bag nut bar.

And ALL the rhetoric in the world doesn't make someone do something evil.

Never got the blame game during stuff like this and the saying because so and so said such and such they planted the seed for this to happen ... it's just dumb.

[frerottenextelway]

Just for the record, I can tell you as a straight fact that the Daily Kos poster is not part of this in any way.

My thoughts go to the dead, wounded, and their famlies.

[frerottenextelway]

It's like the Crips vs the Bloods. Does it matter who started it? I don't even care. Just stop it.

When Rush, Palin, Beck or anyone else on that side uses lingo that could be taken that way, call them on it. When someone does it on my side, it'll be my responsibility to do the same.

Fair?

[sirhcyennek81]

I really dount the right would push a left-wing guy into murdering anyone. At the end of the day no one is responsible for this but the nutjob (or jobs) that pulled the trigger. A senseless, vicious attack that robbed 6 people of their lives and put more in the hospital.

:Broncos:

[cutthemdown]

You can't stop it Frerotte. We have had politicians slinging mud since we have politicians in the USA. But liberals said tons of things about wishing death on Bush etc etc so I'm not so sure one side worst then the other. Until one party stands up and says no matter what we don't make personal attacks, we don't show a lack of respect to our fellow lawmakers, etc etc it will continue.

Palins supporters are scary because she has cultivated the pro gun movement. Not that I am afraid of guns, but I am more afraid of someone if guns so important to them they have to collect like 50 of them.

[sirhcyennek81]

Pure pinko?

Right. Here we go again.

That's like saying Lee H Oswald was a Castro lover (when in fact he was a CIA asset -- set up to be a patsie. Like he said: "I'm just the patsie..."

You prove my point: Americans (like you) are brainwashed over the edge...


Uh huh. Keep ****ing that chicken. Im sure one day everyone will wake up and suddenly realize what a genius you are.

Twit.

:Broncos:

[cutthemdown]

Also how could judge be the target when he wasn't scheduled to be there?

[sirhcyennek81]

You can't stop it Frerotte. We have had politicians slinging mud since we have politicians in the USA. But liberals said tons of things about wishing death on Bush etc etc so I'm not so sure one side worst then the other. Until one party stands up and says no matter what we don't make personal attacks, we don't show a lack of respect to our fellow lawmakers, etc etc it will continue.

Palins supporters are scary because she has cultivated the pro gun movement. Not that I am afraid of guns, but I am more afraid of someone if guns so important to them they have to collect like 50 of them.


Ted Nugent?

:Broncos:

[peacepipe]

Also how could judge be the target when he wasn't scheduled to be there?

don't believe he was primary target.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This has to be the most massive thread fail in the history of thread fails.

The REPPULICANNSS DID IT!!11!!!!!11!!! ...oh yeah, and um...some innocent people were slaughtered by a crazy guy in a grocery store...

The TEA PARRTY DID IT!!!!!1!!!111!!!


Talk about failure.

First with the Discovery Channell shooting, and now with this one. You liberals who wanted to use this as some sort of "I got you!!!!" one-up garbage should all be ashamed of yourselves.

[frerottenextelway]

You can't stop it Frerotte. We have had politicians slinging mud since we have politicians in the USA. But liberals said tons of things about wishing death on Bush etc etc so I'm not so sure one side worst then the other. Until one party stands up and says no matter what we don't make personal attacks, we don't show a lack of respect to our fellow lawmakers, etc etc it will continue.

Palins supporters are scary because she has cultivated the pro gun movement. Not that I am afraid of guns, but I am more afraid of someone if guns so important to them they have to collect like 50 of them.

I don't care.

This is in nobody's best interest.

[cutthemdown]

Ted Nugent?

:Broncos:

Have to be honest I would not want to live next door to him. I can do without arrows and shotgun pellets flying into my property. LOL.

I'm a republican but I think how Palin used the crosshairs in ads, how she panders to gun freaks, is a total sham and a big joke. Anyone who supports her leadership, her style, is a moron.

It's an issue that really shouldn't be one though. I mean how many guns can bubba own? as many as he wants until he does something wrong. To try and change that is just asking to make some stupid person powerful in politics because he/she is the one that will say hey i can fill that niche. I can be the pro gun politician etc etc, or i can be the anti abortion, or pro abortion etc etc. The fact is none of those issues really important.

These issues get made important by the media and the politicians who capitalize on them. Then they use them to keep us busy and away from the real issues.

You watch this will be the big issue now. meanwhile 3-4 months of the yr will slip by without talking about the stuff that really matters.

[cutthemdown]

I said it before if repubs throw Palin out in any shape or form I will vote for Obama. Until they realize I want a moderate who will cut spending I will not help them win. I will continue to hope they lose because they only way to end policies you hate is for your party to lose so much they are forced to change.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I said it before if repubs throw Palin out in any shape or form I will vote for Obama. Until they realize I want a moderate who will cut spending I will not help them win. I will continue to hope they lose because they only way to end policies you hate is for your party to lose so much they are forced to change.

It wont matter that you vote for Obama if you live in California.

Also, if you believe in cutting spending and you vote for Obama...the joke's on you.

So, instead of contributing to the side that has at least the idea of cutting spending on their platform, you'll contribute to the side that wants to spend money like it has never been spent in this country before while operating policies (thanks Frank & Dodd) that wreck the private sector economy.

[sirhcyennek81]

Have to be honest I would not want to live next door to him. I can do without arrows and shotgun pellets flying into my property. LOL.

I'm a republican but I think how Palin used the crosshairs in ads, how she panders to gun freaks, is a total sham and a big joke. Anyone who supports her leadership, her style, is a moron.

It's an issue that really shouldn't be one though. I mean how many guns can bubba own? as many as he wants until he does something wrong. To try and change that is just asking to make some stupid person powerful in politics because he/she is the one that will say hey i can fill that niche. I can be the pro gun politician etc etc, or i can be the anti abortion, or pro abortion etc etc. The fact is none of those issues really important.

These issues get made important by the media and the politicians who capitalize on them. Then they use them to keep us busy and away from the real issues.

You watch this will be the big issue now. meanwhile 3-4 months of the yr will slip by without talking about the stuff that really matters.


Thing is, I dont care how many guns someone has. I do not care if politicians have a strong pro-gun history. I really doubt Palin using crosshairs somehow tripped this dude's internal nutalarm and he decided to go gun down a congresswoman.

I'm more worried that my government is spending money it doesnt have to give us things we do not need and if we do need them can get on our own. I am worried when our treasury secretary is saying a true economic recovery will take 3-5 years. Thats nice. I suppose all my bills and tuition will magically pay themselves in that time frame. I'm more worried my government wants to give every US citizen on the internet an electronic ID to "protect" our identities. I really dont care for government intrusion into what I eat, what I buy, what my income goes to and where I go on the internet.

:Broncos:

[frerottenextelway]

Thing is, I dont care how many guns someone has. I do not care if politicians have a strong pro-gun history. I really doubt Palin using crosshairs somehow tripped this dude's internal nutalarm and he decided to go gun down a congresswoman.

I'm more worried that my government is spending money it doesnt have to give us things we do not need and if we do need them can get on our own. I am worried when our treasury secretary is saying a true economic recovery will take 3-5 years. Thats nice. I suppose all my bills and tuition will magically pay themselves in that time frame. I'm more worried my government wants to give every US citizen on the internet an electronic ID to "protect" our identities. I really dont care for government intrusion into what I eat, what I buy, what my income goes to and where I go on the internet.

:Broncos:

That is what elections, not guns, are for.

[Boomhauer]

Also how could judge be the target when he wasn't scheduled to be there?

Trailed and assassinated upon opportunity.
Shooter ran up and killed a Federal Judge with shot #1, than four? others died and a Demo congresswomen took a bullet to the head while the he emptied his clip. But all that's irrelevent since only right-wingers touch guns and, therefor, the congresswoman must have been the target[/sarcasm].

The liberal media could just as easily say the shooter hated 9yr-olds as Demos, because one died in the ensuing fire, but the shooters actions say otherwise. This was a hit against a Repub Federal Judge by a young pinko, overseen by a baby boomer pinko.

[spdirty]

In the HIGHLY unlikely event that this is not a politically motivated attack I will retract that post. But at this point in time I'd bet my very last dollar that the guy who did this was a hardcore Palin follower.

Way to jump to Bible Barbie's rescue.

She's been inciting these redneck idiots since the '08 election.

This is so obviously a result of all the vitriol encouraged by Rush, Beck, and Palin about how wronged all of society has been by anyone that dares to not follow their stupidity. No matter what is found out about this guy and the 2nd assailant the bitter and hateful right wing nuts spewing venom and encouraging rage are at the roots responsible. How dare the right not get their way, because they are in fact the right. My way or the highway and if not my way then you are a fair target. Thanks Sarah for being so cute about it.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061123093020/uncyclopedia/images/a/ae/Surprise_youre_a_retard.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

Thing is, I dont care how many guns someone has. I do not care if politicians have a strong pro-gun history. I really doubt Palin using crosshairs somehow tripped this dude's internal nutalarm and he decided to go gun down a congresswoman.

I'm more worried that my government is spending money it doesnt have to give us things we do not need and if we do need them can get on our own. I am worried when our treasury secretary is saying a true economic recovery will take 3-5 years. Thats nice. I suppose all my bills and tuition will magically pay themselves in that time frame. I'm more worried my government wants to give every US citizen on the internet an electronic ID to "protect" our identities. I really dont care for government intrusion into what I eat, what I buy, what my income goes to and where I go on the internet.

:Broncos:

Here's whats messed up if you think about it...the money that you owe the government (student loans) becomes more enslaving the longer you are on the hook for it. As your money becomes worth less, the loans do not adjust for inflation. So they are in a sense growing over time with a sort hidden interest...the inflation gap.

[sirhcyennek81]

That is what elections, not guns, are for.


Yes. But owning a gun ensures I can vote in that next election. Hard to make an armed populace do something it is not of a mind to do, yes?


:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Trailed and assassinated upon opportunity.
Shooter ran up and killed a Federal Judge with shot #1, than four? others died and a Demo congresswomen took a bullet to the head while the he emptied his clip. But all that's irrelevent since only right-wingers touch guns and, therefor, the congresswoman must have been the target[/sarcasm].

The liberal media could just as easily say the shooter hated 9yr-olds as Demos, because one died in the ensuing fire, but the shooters actions say otherwise. This was a hit against a Repub Federal Judge by a young pinko, overseen by a baby boomer pinko.

I wont go that far, but according to witnesses, the kid targeted the judge. He shot him first and called him by name.

Does anyone know why?

[Boomhauer]

Yes. But owning a gun ensures I can vote in that next election. Hard to make an armed populace do something it is not of a mind to do, yes?
:Broncos:

The 2nd Amendment garauntees the right to bear arms in defense against oppressive government, forign or domestic. Later, it was used to garauntee the right to defend ones person, property and others, but that was not the original intent.

[frerottenextelway]

Yes. But owning a gun ensures I can vote in that next election. Hard to make an armed populace do something it is not of a mind to do, yes?


:Broncos:

I had to show ID once, and I didn't have to do it at gunpoint.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The Federal Judge received death threats over much of 2009:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/08/20110108giffords-roll-backgrounder-on.html

[sirhcyennek81]

I had to show ID once, and I didn't have to do it at gunpoint.


No kidding. So did I. If a population is armed, its that much harder for a government to become totalitarian or autocratic.


:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Some opinion:

"Loughner’s multitude of viewpoints seem to transcend political classification. Watching his You Tube videos, he is clearly a schizophrenic who is obsessed with mind control and other bizarre leftfield issues of minutia.

Loughner’s vulnerable and psychotic profile, combined with his interest in mind control, mirrors other famous assassins such as Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley, as well as Columbine killers Harris & Klebold."

http://www.infowars.com/arizona-assassin-obsessed-with-mind-control/

[Pseudofool]

You don't cite Marx and Ayn Rand as if you're attempting to convey a singular ideology. This guy was completely fringe. That said, a culture of hate does exist; perhaps foolishly mitigated by liberal cites like DailyKos, though, the weight of the hate-mongering lies with a very few people whom heckle from just one side of the aisle.

What do we think happens when you rile up a rabble of fearful gun-owners? This isn't left/right thing, it's about seeing how the people who are behind you in ideology might also have knives crested in their hands, at their backs, ready to strike for prominence and not belief.

Who cannot agree that we can be more prudent in our rhetoric? That being liberal is about caring for the less fortunate, and however--as many believe---naive such people believe, it is never founded violence.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm a republican but I think how Palin used the crosshairs in ads, how she panders to gun freaks, is a total sham and a big joke. Anyone who supports her leadership, her style, is a moron.


More proof that your party is rife with morons.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You don't cite Marx and Ayn Rand as if you're attempting to convey a singular ideology. This guy was completely fringe. That said, a culture of hate does exist; perhaps foolishly mitigated by liberal cites like DailyKos, though, the weight of the hate-mongering lies with a very few people whom heckle from just one side of the aisle.

What do we think happens when you rile up a rabble of fearful gun-owners? This isn't left/right thing, it's about seeing how the people who are behind you in ideology might also have knives crested in their hands, at their backs, ready to strike for prominence and not belief.

Who cannot agree that we can be more prudent in our rhetoric? That being liberal is about caring for the less fortunate, and however--as many believe---naive such people believe, it is never founded violence.

Unfortunately, the modern far-left has in it highly motivated components that do not mind violence at all. There is a war for the soul of the left between more moderate factions and the hard-core types that showed up to the One Nation rally. The hard-core radical types are fully invested, fully committed. Its a lifestyle for them. Its a religion to them. To it they donate their money, time, and effort. If they arent giving their full effort, then they arent true believers. Its a full-time obsession for them.

You guys have your own inner demons to excercise.

Maybe it can start today.

[epicSocialism4tw]

And also Pseudofool, I'm not here to blame this kids actions on any perceived leftness (or rightness) that he may have. The kid was clearly insane, and if he is paranoid schizophrenic like I think he is, he could have been a bhuddist monk and still behaved in this way. His mind was broken. I knew it the moment I saw his videos. He has classic symptoms. Especially his obsession with what he called "dreams" and his grammar thing. Its like he kind of understood that the govt. uses propaganda to make people think about certain things in certain ways by using certain word associations (for example changing the popular name "illegal immigrants" to "undocumented workers"), but he really couldnt explain it in a coherent manner and it got drawn out into an awkward grandiose delusion.

I think that we'll discover that he has a history of mental illness, and that he may have been under the influence of the second suspect for a decent amount of time as even a mentor-type of relationship.

Of course, I could be completely wrong.

[cutthemdown]

LABF claims Palin has tons of repub support yet she has never won any national election. I think its all BS. She sells advertising so media decided to make her a big deal.

I don't know one person who considers Palin one of there leaders. It must be a backwoods thing.

[epicSocialism4tw]

LABF claims Palin has tons of repub support yet she has never won any national election. I think its all BS. She sells advertising so media decided to make her a big deal.

I don't know one person who considers Palin one of there leaders. It must be a backwoods thing.

Palin is more a creation of the left than a hero of the right.

Who covers Palin more: Glenn Beck or Kieth Olbermann?

[Boomhauer]

...Of course, I could be completely wrong.

After a rambeling psychoevaluation like that - I'd say so.
...Or was that an impersination of the shooter?

[epicSocialism4tw]

After a rambeling psychoevaluation like that - I'd say so.
...Or was that an impersination of the shooter?

He wasnt led by his "pinko" philosophy to do this as you suggested. I think that you'll find out really soon that he was at some point under the care of a mental health professional for either paranoid schizophrenia or bipolar disorder or both.

And when thats the case, it doesnt matter which political affiliation that he has. He'll still have the same internal pressure to act on his delusions to protect himself from imagined threats of government intrusion.

[Boomhauer]

^^^^
Is that you Gaff? By those last few statements, I'm guessing you don't stay at Holiday Inns.
http://x7f.xanga.com/79982a5571418208471112/z162342801.jpg

[UberBroncoMan]

Hah, him being a leftist whacko is entirely unproven at this point but you go ahead and make that assumption while you rip the rest of us for making a reasonable assumption.

Throw in the word stupid a few more times too.

Reasonable assumption?! ROFLRLFLRFROFLROLFLRLFLORLFRFLOR! Yeah, a picture with target signs on Palin's website is "telling" people to kill representatives. So amazingly reasonable. Also, a Democrate wasn't the only person killed. A Bush appointed judge was as well. DURKA DUR!

Jared's own classmate and close friend in High School said he was an extremely left-leaning liberal and very political. His favorite books include the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf (National Socialism).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4

In this video he made he calls for people to read the Constitution so they can reject it. He says our Constitution is "treasonous." Definitely a conservative amiright?

He's also an staunch atheist - which makes up far more liberals than conservatives.

Pretty much a left-wing loon. Just like the Discovery Channel bomber, all the liberals jumped on saying it was a tea party/conservative, when it was really just one of their own again.

****ing pathetic, but I didn't expect anything different.

[mhgaffney]

Palin is more a creation of the left than a hero of the right.

Who covers Palin more: Glenn Beck or Kieth Olbermann?

No it was the Republican Party.

I called this long before the 2008 election when I predicted the Republicans would pick a pretty face. I thought it might be that rabid writer Coulter what's her name.

But they went to Alaska and picked Palin instead. A pretty face -- to make McCain's ugliness more attractive.

That was the logic behind the selection. It failed only because of the Sept 2008 economic meltdown -- which shifted the election to Obama. Before September it was neck in neck -- with McCain likely to win.

[UberBroncoMan]

No it was the Republican Party.

I called this long before the 2008 election when I predicted the Republicans would pick a pretty face. I thought it might be that rabid writer Coulter what's her name.

But they went to Alaska and picked Palin instead. A pretty face -- to make McCain's ugliness more attractive.

That was the logic behind the selection. It failed only because of the Sept 2008 economic meltdown -- which shifted the election to Obama. Before September it was neck in neck -- with McCain likely to win.

It was both actually. I myself am conservative on the $ side of things. Could be described a bit moderate to liberal on some social issues. I can't stand her myself and wish she'd just stay in Alaska. I think more "right-wingers" are moving on from her, but the left have helped build her up as something to rally and throw their perpetual hate towards.

Back to Jared.

http://www.bloggernews.net/125845

^ Facts are funz

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg614/scaled.php?tn=0&server=614&filename=vlz.png&xsize=640&ysize=640

LUL from his myspace. Putting a gun over US history. We're such warmongers, CURSED USA! The left'ism keeps on revealing itself.

[TonyR]

You don't cite Marx and Ayn Rand as if you're attempting to convey a singular ideology. This guy was completely fringe. That said, a culture of hate does exist; perhaps foolishly mitigated by liberal cites like DailyKos, though, the weight of the hate-mongering lies with a very few people whom heckle from just one side of the aisle.

What do we think happens when you rile up a rabble of fearful gun-owners? This isn't left/right thing, it's about seeing how the people who are behind you in ideology might also have knives crested in their hands, at their backs, ready to strike for prominence and not belief.

Who cannot agree that we can be more prudent in our rhetoric? That being liberal is about caring for the less fortunate, and however--as many believe---naive such people believe, it is never founded violence.

Good post, Pseudo. The defensiveness of the righties in this thread is telling. I've got dramallama neg repping me for my early posts in this thread. I certainly never "blamed" the right or the tea party for this, all I did was post some interesting, relevant things that have been reported on the subject. It's also hilarious to see dopes like dramallama blasting people for "blaming" and "jumping to conclusions" when he starts more threads doing exactly this than everybody else combined. He is the king of the hypocrites.

[TailgateNut]

Good post, Pseudo. The defensiveness of the righties in this thread is telling. I've got dramallama neg repping me for my early posts in this thread. I certainly never "blamed" the right or the tea party for this, all I did was post some interesting, relevant things that have been reported on the subject. It's also hilarious to see dopes like dramallama blasting people for "blaming" and "jumping to conclusions" when he starts more threads doing exactly this than everybody else combined. He is the king of the hypocrites.


He told me I needed to issue a public apology for my post.Hilarious!

[elsid13]

He told me I needed to issue a public apology for my post.Hilarious!

Really? Maybe he should apologize for posting that false information about the Obama trip to India and the cost.

[TonyR]

He told me I needed to issue a public apology for my post.Hilarious!

Same exact thing I got. He's shameless. Not sure what I'm apologizing for since I never directly blamed anyone. Here's the guy who has started multiple threads that have been completely discredited as pure garbage and he's asking us to apologize. What a dope.

[ghwk]

Same exact thing I got. He's shameless. Not sure what I'm apologizing for since I never directly blamed anyone. Here's the guy who has started multiple threads that have been completely discredited as pure garbage and he's asking us to apologize. What a dope.

+1 End Thread.

[peacepipe]

Also how could judge be the target when he wasn't scheduled to be there?

The judge wasn't the primary target,he wasn't even supposed to be there. he had laft mass to go thank her for something.
It's been confirmed by FBI director Mueller that Giffords was the primary target.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The lefties are consoling each other. Cute.

You guys are the problem, and you havent the mind to see it. Lets blame epicSocialism4tw because we're too proud to retract our ridiculous statements.

You guys have really revealed yourselves to be completely untrustworthy and partisan beyond any reasonable measure. YOU did that. Right here on this thread. Dont blame me or anyone else for pointing it out.

You have proven that you are sheep being led by your female parts by liberal bloggers, and are incapable of rational analysis and critical thinking.

We'll make sure we keep this one bookmarked for the next time you all overreact and blame random violence on the Tea Party before you even know what happened.

[peacepipe]

The lefties are consoling each other. Cute.

You guys are the problem, and you havent the mind to see it. Lets blame epicSocialism4tw because we're too proud to retract our ridiculous statements.

You guys have really revealed yourselves to be completely untrustworthy and partisan beyond any reasonable measure. YOU did that. Right here on this thread. Dont blame me or anyone else for pointing it out.

You have proven that you are sheep being led by your female parts by liberal bloggers, and are incapable of rational analysis and critical thinking.

We'll make sure we keep this one bookmarked for the next time you all overreact and blame random violence on the Tea Party before you even know what happened.

STFU,you wouldn't know what being bipartisan meant if slapped you in the face. on a scale of 1-10 your a 15 when comes putting out partisan BS.

[DBruleU]

STFU,you wouldn't know what being bipartisan meant if slapped you in the face. on a scale of 1-10 your a 15 when comes putting out partisan BS.

LOL what a bunch nancys.

[epicSocialism4tw]

STFU,you wouldn't know what being bipartisan meant if slapped you in the face. on a scale of 1-10 your a 15 when comes putting out partisan BS.

Maybe you should actually think about what you post before you post it.

If you guys were as smart as you think you are, you would have figured out a long time ago that things dont become true just because you say they are, and that the more untruths and lies that you try to force down the throats of our people, the more they turn away from you.

This isnt the USSR. We are a free people who at their most philosophically fundamental are truth seekers. Even the least intellectually endowed of us.

[peacepipe]

Maybe you should actually think about what you post before you post it.If you guys were as smart as you think you are, you would have figured out a long time ago that things dont become true just because you say it is, and that the more untruths and lies that you try to force down the throats of our people, the more they turn away from you.

I'm not running around here critisizing people for being "partisan". I'm not shy about the fact that I'm partisan on political issues,but to act as if you're not just as partisan or untrustworthy is hypocritical of you.

[Pseudofool]

The lefties are consoling each other. Cute.

You guys are the problem, and you havent the mind to see it. Lets blame epicSocialism4tw because we're too proud to retract our ridiculous statements.

You guys have really revealed yourselves to be completely untrustworthy and partisan beyond any reasonable measure. YOU did that. Right here on this thread. Dont blame me or anyone else for pointing it out.

You have proven that you are sheep being led by your female parts by liberal bloggers, and are incapable of rational analysis and critical thinking.

We'll make sure we keep this one bookmarked for the next time you all overreact and blame random violence on the Tea Party before you even know what happened.It's rhetoric specifically like this that creates a culture of hate and violence.

Please tell us how else you hate liberals and why they should be thankful that you admonish them!

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm not running around here critisizing people for being "partisan". I'm not shy about the fact that I'm partisan on political issues,but to act as if you're not just as partisan or untrustworthy is hypocritical of you.

I didnt say that I didnt have political leanings, because that should be obvious.

The difference between me and you is that you try to use every possible opportunity to slander who your party has labeled "the enemy". Trying to blame Sarah Palin or the Tea Party for this is flat out classless, ignorant, naive, and childish. Thats before you even get to the partisanship. When your partisanship produces this kind of factionalized war-like mentality against your fellow citizens where you WANT them to be terrorists because it gives you an excuse to excise them, you have gone to an extreme that is worthy of scorn (how do you want to do it...imprison them? round them up and put them into camps? genocide? which is it?). You guys havent realized that this is where you are. You guys are proving to be a self-fulfilling profecy of your own...you ARE unethical, immoral, and stand at opposition to your own people. You are proving all of the right's moral arguments against your secular culture to be true. Your secular humanism is collapsing under its own weight, and has no spine to hold it in place. Its meaningless.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's rhetoric specifically like this that creates a culture of hate and violence.

Please tell us how else you hate liberals and why they should be thankful that you admonish them!

Ah yes, its still the right's fault for the left's wildly irresponsible overreaction. You have learned nothing from this.

You guys need to grow up.

[Pseudofool]

The notion that the extreme left and the extreme right are somehow on even keel is absurd. There are just a lot more extreme conservatives than their are extreme liberals, I think the success of conservative talk radio and fox news and the failure of Air America and the limitedness of liberal tv programing to a couple hours on msnbc a night.

[cutthemdown]

So now they are saying this kid was anti religion. More then one person who had contact with him has said that. If he had found god no way this would have happened.

[peacepipe]

So now they are saying this kid was anti religion. More then one person who had contact with him has said that. If he had found god no way this would have happened.I'm sure all those that have committed an act ot terrorism against abortion doctors/clinincs would disagree with you.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The notion that the extreme left and the extreme right are somehow on even keel is absurd. There are just a lot more extreme conservatives than their are extreme liberals, I think the success of conservative talk radio and fox news and the failure of Air America and the limitedness of liberal tv programing to a couple hours on msnbc a night.

Here's the thing...when more people identify with the Tea Party than either the Republican or Democratic parties, the national body politik has changed.

It does not help your cause to try to shout them down with unfounded accusations of racism and terrorism. It only gave the movement more momentum. The Tea Party has to love it becuase you are unwittingly fueling their fire and evoking more passion from its masses.

You are better off realizing that you have to cooperate and work with these people rather than to put them into camps and kill them off. Your party really is at a crux right now.

[Pseudofool]

Ah yes, its still the right's fault for the left's wildly irresponsible overreaction. You have learned nothing from this.

You guys need to grow up.No, it's not the right's fault for people conjecturing that he was a right winger (btw, fox news* is reporting he was part of some crazy anti-immigration group). I wasn't making that point at all. (And for the record, there's nothing unreasonable, as hasty as it was, about believing it would be a right wing whacko that target a democrat--especially in light of the palatable hate coming from a variety of ubiquitous right wing sources. As if the Daily Kos has the same civic responsibility as a candidate for elected office. Seriously.)

When you frame your opposition as people without reason or ethics, you other them, you dehumanize them. When you speak in the imperative and use the second person to group all liberals together on this issue, you admonish all liberals with a crime (if it even is one, and even if people were wrong) which only a few are guilty of. When you call liberals the "problem" when you capitalize the word "you" for emphasize, when you speak righteously, you contribute to a culture in which it's not only okay to hate liberals, it's logical to. In fact, it's our duty to hate those unreasonable, untrustworthy bunch, the whole lot of them.

*http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/09/dhs-memo-suggests-shooter-may-be-linked-racist-organization

[epicSocialism4tw]

No, it's not the right's fault for people conjecturing that he was a right winger (btw, fox news* is reporting he was part of some crazy anti-immigration group). I wasn't making that point at all. (And for the record, there's nothing unreasonable, as hasty as it was, about believing it would be a right wing whacko that target a democrat--especially in light of the palatable hate coming from a variety of ubiquitous right wing sources. As if the Daily Kos has the same civic responsibility as a candidate for elected office. Seriously.)

When you frame your opposition as people without reason or ethics, you other them, you dehumanize them. When you speak in the imperative and use the second person to group all liberals together on this issue, you admonish all liberals with a crime (if it even is one, and even if people were wrong) which only a few are guilty of. When you call liberals the "problem" when you capitalize the word "you" for emphasize, when you speak righteously, you contribute to a culture in which it's not only okay to hate liberals, it's logical to. In fact, it's are duty to hate those unreasonable, untrustworthy bunch, the whole lot of them.

*http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/09/dhs-memo-suggests-shooter-may-be-linked-racist-organization

YOU are responsible, as are the other liberals who made the same mistake publicly here on this thread.

[BroncoLifer]

Glenn Reynolds sums it up pretty well:

"If you’re using this event to criticize the “rhetoric” of Sarah Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you’re either asserting a connection between the “rhetoric” and the shooting — which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie — or you’re not, in which case you’re just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. So which is it?"

[Pseudofool]

Here's the thing...when more people identify with the Tea Party than either the Republican or Democratic parties, the national body politik has changed.

It does not help your cause to try to shout them down with unfounded accusations of racism and terrorism. It only gave the movement more momentum. The Tea Party has to love it becuase you are unwittingly fueling their fire and evoking more passion from its masses.

You are better off realizing that you have to cooperate and work with these people rather than to put them into camps and kill them off. Your party really is at a crux right now.Most people are too nuanced to identify with anyone set of beliefs. The fact that so many people are on board says something about the quality and complexity of the belief system, not it's correctness.

I'm down on the democrats too, they aren't mine. I vote to keep your ideology out, not to vote another one in, mine goes unrepresented largely.

[cutthemdown]

I'm sure all those that have committed an act ot terrorism against abortion doctors/clinincs would disagree with you.

Sorry but this guy was part of your non religious group.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Most people are too nuanced to identify with anyone set of beliefs. The fact that so many people are on board says something about the quality and complexity of the belief system, not it's correctness.

I'm down with the democrats too, they aren't mine. I vote to keep your ideology out, not to vote another one in, mine goes unrepresented largely.

Like I mentioned in the private message, lets hope that the vocal elements of opposition in our country can make some good out of this and dial down the enmity. Its one thing to advocate your cause, but its another entirely to villainize your fellow citizens.

We citizens are given the right to run this place by our founding document. We need to push aside the media and work with each other.

[cutthemdown]

Peace what number would you guess for this question.

Since roe v wade, how many abortion doctors have been murdered?

Would you be surprised to hear it's less then 15?

The vast majority of clinic attacks has been things while the place was closed. Vandalism and arson to try and shut the place down. Actually murdered are pretty rare because even religious freaks who will attack abortion clinics believe in thou shall not kill.

Since Roe v Wade USA has performed over 45 million elective abortions. Abortions where both mother and child are healthy. I'd say your side coming out way ahead on the murder scale.

[Pseudofool]

Glenn Reynolds sums it up pretty well:

"If you’re using this event to criticize the “rhetoric” of Sarah Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you’re either asserting a connection between the “rhetoric” and the shooting — which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie — or you’re not, in which case you’re just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. So which is it?"The situation is simply more complex than this reading gives.

Sarah Palin contributes to a culture that believes it's okay to demonize (or dehumanize) it's opposition, and in culture where it is acceptable to righteously hate people you don't agree with, it becomes far easier to enact violence on those people. Palin and many right wingers speak about liberals not as countrymen, but as enemy combatants, actual terrorists.

[Pseudofool]

Like I mentioned in the private message, lets hope that the vocal elements of opposition in our country can make some good out of this and dial down the enmity. Its one thing to advocate your cause, but its another entirely to villainize your fellow citizens.

We citizens are given the right to run this place by our founding document. We need to push aside the media and work with each other.Agreed. But I really don't have faith you'll practice what you're preaching here, but I hope you prove me wrong.

[cutthemdown]

The whole notion we have a problem with violence against abortion clinics is over blown. Also a lot of states, like Calif etc, have had very little problem.

[cutthemdown]

The situation is simply more complex than this reading gives.

Sarah Palin contributes to a culture that believes it's okay to demonize (or dehumanize) it's opposition, and in culture where it is acceptable to righteously hate people you don't agree with, it becomes far easier to enact violence on those people. Palin and many right wingers speak about liberals not as countrymen, but as enemy combatants, actual terrorists.

And what type of things did the left say about Bush JR? Cheney? Do you think the left demonized them?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Agreed. But I really don't have faith you'll practice what you're preaching here, but I hope you prove me wrong.

The left has been taking and not giving for a long time. Its time to start giving, and you'll be surprised what you get back.

[Pseudofool]

YOU are responsible, as are the other liberals who made the same mistake publicly here on this thread.Meh. It remains to be seen it was even a mistake or not, you righteous turd. The anti-immigration connection hasn't been played-out yet nor do we even know his actual motives. The hypocrisy of your eagerness to assign blame for our sin of eagerly assigning blame is remarkable. Remarkable, dude.

For context here's the post I'm responsible for. Looks like I'm totally jumping the gun and oversimplifying things.

When you use cross-hairs to target opponents, and your base is gun freaks who hunt from helicopters, you certainly invite some criticism when the targeted opponent gets shot in the head. Is it Palins fault? Of course not. But does she play a part in creating a violent culture that might target liberals--I think that's possible.

[Pseudofool]

The left has been taking and not giving for a long time. Its time to start giving, and you'll be surprised what you get back.What are you talking about? Liberalism in general is about giving as much as you can to the most you can.

[Pseudofool]

And what type of things did the left say about Bush JR? Cheney? Do you think the left demonized them?Sure people did. But those people probably were at rallies, or running blogs out of their basements or ivory towers. They weren't freaking running for office, much less as VP (or eventually prez).

I guess you could argue that liberals helped foster a culture in which Bush got a shoe thrown at him.

[peacepipe]

Peace what number would you guess for this question.

Since roe v wade, how many abortion doctors have been murdered?

Would you be surprised to hear it's less then 15?

The vast majority of clinic attacks has been things while the place was closed. Vandalism and arson to try and shut the place down. Actually murdered are pretty rare because even religious freaks who will attack abortion clinics believe in thou shall not kill.

Since Roe v Wade USA has performed over 45 million elective abortions. Abortions where both mother and child are healthy. I'd say your side coming out way ahead on the murder scale.


we can debate abortion another day..

eitherway, you stated:
If he had found god no way this would have happened.
I was just pointing that there alot of people out there that "have found god" that commit acts of terrorism/violence.

[epicSocialism4tw]

What are you talking about? Liberalism in general is about giving as much as you can to the most you can.

Thats just a ruse to get you guys to buy in.

Lets talk about justice. Do you think that there is justice in the United States?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sure people did. But those people probably were at rallies, or running blogs out of their basements or ivory towers. They weren't freaking running for office, much less as VP (or eventually prez).

I guess you could argue that liberals helped foster a culture in which Bush got a shoe thrown at him.

Liberals fostered the culture that woke up the silent majority in this country who then became the biggest political movement of my lifetime.

[Pseudofool]

Thats just a ruse to get you guys to buy in.

Lets talk about justice. Do you think that there is justice in the United States?No, I really don't believe justice is possible. I don't think there is ever any way to right wrongs. I think vengeance masquerades as justice, in fact.

[Pseudofool]

Liberals fostered the culture that woke up the silent majority in this country who then became the biggest political movement of my lifetime.Wow. The tea party is the majority now. I had no idea. Bully for you guys.

[ghwk]

I didnt say that I didnt have political leanings, because that should be obvious.

The difference between me and you is that you try to use every possible opportunity to slander who your party has labeled "the enemy". Trying to blame Sarah Palin or the Tea Party for this is flat out classless, ignorant, naive, and childish. Thats before you even get to the partisanship. When your partisanship produces this kind of factionalized war-like mentality against your fellow citizens where you WANT them to be terrorists because it gives you an excuse to excise them, you have gone to an extreme that is worthy of scorn (how do you want to do it...imprison them? round them up and put them into camps? genocide? which is it?). You guys havent realized that this is where you are. You guys are proving to be a self-fulfilling profecy of your own...you ARE unethical, immoral, and stand at opposition to your own people. You are proving all of the right's moral arguments against your secular culture to be true. Your secular humanism is collapsing under its own weight, and has no spine to hold it in place. Its meaningless.

More hypocritical drivel from the Hateful Christian.

[BroncoLifer]

The situation is simply more complex than this reading gives.

Sarah Palin contributes to a culture that believes it's okay to demonize (or dehumanize) it's opposition, and in culture where it is acceptable to righteously hate people you don't agree with, it becomes far easier to enact violence on those people. Palin and many right wingers speak about liberals not as countrymen, but as enemy combatants, actual terrorists.

OK, you fall into the second category -- seizing on a tragedy to make unrelated political points. Got it.

[Pseudofool]

OK, you fall into the second category -- seizing on a tragedy to make unrelated political points. Got it.Right. Totally unrelated. Where'd I put my soapbox? I'm not sure you guys can hear me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF claims Palin has tons of repub support yet she has never won any national election.




You're trying to argue that the fact that she didn't win in '08 means she has no support among repugs?

Good Lord - even you can't be this dumb. :oyvey:

[Pseudofool]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESSWOMAN_SHOT_INVESTIGATION?SITE=NYPLA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- An official familiar with the Arizona shooting investigation says local authorities are looking at a possible connection between Jared Loughner and an online group known for its anti-government rhetoric.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation, says this is one of several motives that local authorities are pursuing in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz.
The anti-government organization American Renaissance is connected to the white supremacist New Century Foundation, according to an analysis by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based group that tracks hate crimes.
Members typically espouse anti-Semitic and anti-government views. Loughner's online postings include language that is in line with such beliefs

[JJJ]

A 22 year old pot-smoking, religion-hater, conpiracy theory lover who is mad his congresswoman voted against Pelosi.

Does that sound like a tea partier or a Palin supporter? You guys are hilarious.

Still a bit early but it seems this kid was safely in the far left wacko camp.

Just another young punk thinking he is owed everything in life and mad when he doesn't get it.

The Palin crosshair ads were pretty stupid but not incendiary.

The sheriff really was completely out of line with his comments on politic rhetoric. He should keep his mouth shut and arrest people.

[Popcorn Sutton]

The situation is simply more complex than this reading gives.

Sarah Palin contributes to a culture that believes it's okay to demonize (or dehumanize) it's opposition, and in culture where it is acceptable to righteously hate people you don't agree with, it becomes far easier to enact violence on those people. Palin and many right wingers speak about liberals not as countrymen, but as enemy combatants, actual terrorists.

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

In one of several YouTube videos, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona.


"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen (sic)."


Sounds like your typical right-wing redneck idiot.

[Pseudofool]

A 22 year old pot-smoking, religion-hater, conpiracy theory lover who is mad his congresswoman voted against Pelosi.

Does that sound like a tea partier or a Palin supporter? You guys are hilarious.

Still a bit early but it seems this kid was safely in the far left wacko camp.

Just another young punk thinking he is owed everything in life and mad when he doesn't get it.

The Palin crosshair ads were pretty stupid but not incendiary.

The sheriff really was completely out of line with his comments on politic rhetoric. He should keep his mouth shut and arrest people.So you just dismiss his anti-gov't rhetoric and his association with this American Renaissance group?

He's not a tea partier, but his anti-government positions are something commonly bandied about at the tea parties I've been to. I think it's going to be clear that he targeted Giffords because of right-wing positions.

Any argument that asserts he acted on liberal beliefs seems pretty shallow and unconvincing to me.

[cutthemdown]

we can debate abortion another day..

eitherway, you stated:

I was just pointing that there alot of people out there that "have found god" that commit acts of terrorism/violence.

and i was showing you not near as many as you think.

[JJJ]

The notion that the extreme left and the extreme right are somehow on even keel is absurd. There are just a lot more extreme conservatives than their are extreme liberals, I think the success of conservative talk radio and fox news and the failure of Air America and the limitedness of liberal tv programing to a couple hours on msnbc a night.

What complete nonsense. There are by far more radical liberals who are willing to use violence to make their point.

Do you think all those people breaking windows and smashing cars at G8 & G20 summits are conservatives?

How many conservatives are bringing billy clubs to polling stations?

Who shot Bobby Kennedy? Was Sirhan Sirhan a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Ford in Sacremento? Was Squeeky Fromme, one of Charlie Manson's girls, a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Ford in San Francisco? Was Sara Jane Moore, the tree lover, a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Reagan? Was Hinkley a conservative.

Yours was a foolish post.

[cutthemdown]

So you just dismiss his anti-gov't rhetoric and his association with this American Renaissance group?

He's not a tea partier, but his anti-government positions are something commonly bandied about at the tea parties I've been to. I think it's going to be clear that he targeted Giffords because of right-wing positions.

Any argument that asserts he acted on liberal beliefs seems pretty shallow and unconvincing to me.


I think it's going to be over immigration most likely. Who cares anyways why he did it? The only reason people want to paint it right wing is to attack it politically.

[cutthemdown]

What complete nonsense. There are by far more radical liberals who are willing to use violence to make their point.

Do you think all those people breaking windows and smashing cars at G8 & G20 summits are conservatives?

How many conservatives are bringing billy clubs to polling stations?

Who shot Bobby Kennedy? Was Sirhan Sirhan a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Ford in Sacremento? Was Squeeky Fromme, one of Charlie Manson's girls, a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Ford in San Francisco? Was Sara Jane Moore, the tree lover, a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Reagan? Was Hinkley a conservative.

Yours was a foolish post.

Whale wars!!!!!

[JJJ]

So you just dismiss his anti-gov't rhetoric and his association with this American Renaissance group?

He's not a tea partier, but his anti-government positions are something commonly bandied about at the tea parties I've been to. I think it's going to be clear that he targeted Giffords because of right-wing positions.

Any argument that asserts he acted on liberal beliefs seems pretty shallow and unconvincing to me.

Conservatives are not anti-government they are pro-small government. There is a huge difference between the two, something clearly lost on you.

Anti-government positions are usually the realm of social dropouts, usually liberals. The people protesting G-8 summits are anti-government and clearly liberals.

[cutthemdown]

You're trying to argue that the fact that she didn't win in '08 means she has no support among repugs?

Good Lord - even you can't be this dumb. :oyvey:

Not much more then say Jesse Jackson or Sharpton have over dems. In fact I see her about the same as them.

[Pseudofool]

What complete nonsense. There are by far more radical liberals who are willing to use violence to make their point.

Do you think all those people breaking windows and smashing cars at G8 & G20 summits are conservatives?

How many conservatives are bringing billy clubs to polling stations?

Who shot Bobby Kennedy? Was Sirhan Sirhan a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Ford in Sacremento? Was Squeeky Fromme, one of Charlie Manson's girls, a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Ford in San Francisco? Was Sara Jane Moore, the tree lover, a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Reagan? Was Hinkley a conservative.

Yours was a foolish post.Ah the selective history argument, always compelling. Beyond having no relevance to the current cultural climate, it's juvenile to pick and choose what historical facts fit argument and leave the rest out. Many of these people aren't acting on liberal beliefs though you've lumped them here. But let's set that aside.

There are more prominent conservatives who communicate hateful rhetoric than there are prominent liberals who do, mostly because there is a better market for hateful rhetoric on one side than the other.

Here's a collection of vitriolic rhetoric from the CPAC 2010 (provided by daily show, unfortunately):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d83iAFcr62M
Here's a youtube video of the some Palin/McCain rallies as evidence for it's ability to foster a culture of hate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3o3y77MaA

I challenge you to find liberal politicians who use such rhetoric. If you find any, the number will be very small.

In general, liberals are pretty non-violent it's why you call us wusses; shouldn't be any big deal to acknowledge that. Yes, crazy violent liberals do exist, but the hateful culture just doesn't.

[Pseudofool]

Conservatives are not anti-government they are pro-small government. There is a huge difference between the two, something clearly lost on you. Anti-government thinking falls on the right side of the political spectrum. Wanting small government, must be inherently anti-government on a myriad of issues. You're splitting hairs. Conservatives want the government out of their business (except the bedroom) nad out of their wallets.

Anti-government positions are usually the realm of social dropouts, usually liberals. The people protesting G-8 summits are anti-government and clearly liberals.. The guy was not an anarchist (they would have used that term, wouldn't they?). And there's not many such people who actually think that way. The people who protest at the G-8 are more anti-corporation than they are anti-gov't; more anti-absolute power given to so few nations.

Way to try to spin it though.

[sirhcyennek81]

In general, liberals are pretty non-violent it's why you call us wusses; shouldn't be any big deal to acknowledge that. Yes, crazy violent liberals do exist, but the hateful culture just doesn't.


"..And then there's Rumsfeld who said of Iraq 'We have our good days and our bad days.' We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days' and pull the trigger." -- From a fundraising ad put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club

..In an ideal world, American consumers could be convinced to do the right thing through an appeal to logic with public service messages like the 'What Would Jesus Drive?' TV campaign, but the kind of people who would buy a car that increases the risk to other motorists in an accident can't be reasoned with. They're selfish and stupid. It's unfortunate that drivers must worry that their SUVs are being targeted by insulting stickers and Molotov cocktails, but one thing's for sure: It couldn't be happening to a more deserving group of people." -- Ted Rall winks at ecoterrorism

"F*** God D*mned Joe the God D*mned Motherf*cking plumber! I want Motherf*cking Joe the plumber dead." -- Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air

"Republicans don't believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don't give a hoot about human beings, either can't or won't. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm." -- The Village Voice's Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places

(Rush Limbaugh)" just wants the country to fail. To me that's treason. He's not saying anything different than what Osama Bin Laden is saying. You might want to look into this, sir, because I think Rush Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker but he was just so strung out on Oxycontin he missed his flight. ... Rush Limbaugh, I hope the country fails, I hope his kidneys fail, how about that?" -- Wanda Sykes

"O&A - 'Condoleezza Rice'"
Charlie - "I'd love to f--- that b*tch dude" (laughter)

Charlie - "She's the F---in man"

O&A - "yeah"

Charlie - "I'd F...that b*tch...."

O&A - "I just imagine the horror in Condoleezza Rice's face...."

- "(laughter) ..... as she realizes what's going on"

- "...as you were just holding her down and F'n her."

Charlie - "punch her all the F'n face, shut the F--- up b*tch"

O&A - "that's exactly what I meant" (laughter in background)

Charlie - "you know F--- it .... and George Bush wife? I'd F--- that b*tch to death" -- "Shock Jocks" Opie & Anthony talk rape & violence with their guest "Homeless Charlie."

"Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce." -- Liberal radio host, Mike Malloy

Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda — worse for our society. It’s as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was. — MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann

Congressman John Dingell on freedom: "The harsh fact of the matter is when you're passing legislation that will cover 300 million American people in different ways, it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people."

Radio personality Ed Schultz on elections: "If I lived in Massachusetts, I'd try to vote ten times ... Yeah that's right, I'd cheat to keep these bastards out. I would. Because that's exactly what they are."


:Broncos:

[Pseudofool]

Of course liberal hate exists. Too bad none of those people are politicians (you know, leaders) nor do any of these people have an iota of the audience or influence of Beck and Limbaugh. (The Democratic Club is pretty unforgivable, and makes my skin curdle).

It's not just the sheer volume of rightwing hate, it's that it comes from the top-down.

[TailgateNut]

So now they are saying this kid was anti religion. More then one person who had contact with him has said that. If he had found god no way this would have happened.

Tell that to the people who have been killed in the "name of God".LOL

[DBruleU]

Of course liberal hate exists. Too bad none of those people are politicians (you know, leaders) nor do any of these people have an iota of the audience or influence of Beck and Limbaugh. (The Democratic Club is pretty unforgivable, and makes my skin curdle).

It's not just the sheer volume of rightwing hate, it's that it comes from the top-down.

What a typical response.

"Yeah, you just pwned me. But, but, but...they aren't REAL leaders! Ya know...they have zero audience so what they say isn't that big a deal."

What politicians on the right are making comments that even come close to what these people said?

The people who listen to comments that are quoted are the people who make up the democratic party bud...it has a huge impact, no matter how you try and down play it.

[Requiem]

The challenge was to find prominent leaders and politicians contributing to that climate.

Wanda Sykes?

Please.

[mhgaffney]

Sure there have been left wing terrorists and assassins.

But would a lefty shoot a Democrat? No -- he would go after a right wing extremist.

[mhgaffney]

The evidence indicates that Sirhan Sirhan had a handler. At least one and probably two people were seen with him in the Ambassador hotel, that night, before the RFK execution.

Sirhan does not remember anything that happened. Weird but true.

There is evidence that CIA agents were also in the Ambassador hotel ballroom, that night.

We know the CIA had been experimenting for many years with various mind control techniques, including hypnosis. And we know that Sirhan was especially vulnerable to hypnosis.

It is quite likely Sirhan was a manchurian candidate - the victim of psyops -- and was set up to kill RFK and be the patsie .

The only reason he was not killed is because he was programmed to forget everything.

[Pseudofool]

What a typical response.

"Yeah, you just pwned me. But, but, but...they aren't REAL leaders! Ya know...they have zero audience so what they say isn't that big a deal."

What politicians on the right are making comments that even come close to what these people said?

The people who listen to comments that are quoted are the people who make up the democratic party bud...it has a huge impact, no matter how you try and down play it.I didn't get owned for crap, bud. Are you really trying to say the amount of hate and the source of hate doesn't matter? Really?

[epicSocialism4tw]

"..And then there's Rumsfeld who said of Iraq 'We have our good days and our bad days.' We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days' and pull the trigger." -- From a fundraising ad put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club

..In an ideal world, American consumers could be convinced to do the right thing through an appeal to logic with public service messages like the 'What Would Jesus Drive?' TV campaign, but the kind of people who would buy a car that increases the risk to other motorists in an accident can't be reasoned with. They're selfish and stupid. It's unfortunate that drivers must worry that their SUVs are being targeted by insulting stickers and Molotov cocktails, but one thing's for sure: It couldn't be happening to a more deserving group of people." -- Ted Rall winks at ecoterrorism

"**** God D*mned Joe the God D*mned Mother****ing plumber! I want Mother****ing Joe the plumber dead." -- Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air

"Republicans don't believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don't give a hoot about human beings, either can't or won't. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm." -- The Village Voice's Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places

(Rush Limbaugh)" just wants the country to fail. To me that's treason. He's not saying anything different than what Osama Bin Laden is saying. You might want to look into this, sir, because I think Rush Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker but he was just so strung out on Oxycontin he missed his flight. ... Rush Limbaugh, I hope the country fails, I hope his kidneys fail, how about that?" -- Wanda Sykes

"O&A - 'Condoleezza Rice'"
Charlie - "I'd love to f--- that b*tch dude" (laughter)

Charlie - "She's the F---in man"

O&A - "yeah"

Charlie - "I'd F...that b*tch...."

O&A - "I just imagine the horror in Condoleezza Rice's face...."

- "(laughter) ..... as she realizes what's going on"

- "...as you were just holding her down and F'n her."

Charlie - "punch her all the F'n face, shut the F--- up b*tch"

O&A - "that's exactly what I meant" (laughter in background)

Charlie - "you know F--- it .... and George Bush wife? I'd F--- that b*tch to death" -- "Shock Jocks" Opie & Anthony talk rape & violence with their guest "Homeless Charlie."

"Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce." -- Liberal radio host, Mike Malloy

Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda — worse for our society. It’s as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was. — MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann

Congressman John Dingell on freedom: "The harsh fact of the matter is when you're passing legislation that will cover 300 million American people in different ways, it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people."

Radio personality Ed Schultz on elections: "If I lived in Massachusetts, I'd try to vote ten times ... Yeah that's right, I'd cheat to keep these bastards out. I would. Because that's exactly what they are."


:Broncos:

Holy cow.

I didnt realize that it was that bad with liberals who are as popular as some of those people are.

Man, thats awful.

No wonder the left has become so violent. Violence is bouncing off the walls in their echo chamber.

[epicSocialism4tw]

What complete nonsense. There are by far more radical liberals who are willing to use violence to make their point.

Do you think all those people breaking windows and smashing cars at G8 & G20 summits are conservatives?

How many conservatives are bringing billy clubs to polling stations?

Who shot Bobby Kennedy? Was Sirhan Sirhan a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Ford in Sacremento? Was Squeeky Fromme, one of Charlie Manson's girls, a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Ford in San Francisco? Was Sara Jane Moore, the tree lover, a conservative?

Who tried to shoot Reagan? Was Hinkley a conservative.

Yours was a foolish post.

A dadgum hyperliberal communist wannabe shot John F. Kennedy too.

[sirhcyennek81]

The challenge was to find prominent leaders and politicians contributing to that climate.

Wanda Sykes?

Please.


Of all the things that were listed, you pick out Wanda Sykes?


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Of course liberal hate exists. Too bad none of those people are politicians (you know, leaders) nor do any of these people have an iota of the audience or influence of Beck and Limbaugh. (The Democratic Club is pretty unforgivable, and makes my skin curdle).

It's not just the sheer volume of rightwing hate, it's that it comes from the top-down.


The problem is that leftists continually argue that conservatives or republican rhetoric leads to violence. The most commonly used people to demonstrate this are Palin, Rush and Beck. I not only pull from left wing radio and TV personalities but listed a congressman and a "comedian" to demonstrate a point. You are willfully blind if you believe the left is lacking in explosive rhetoric.

You will never find a conservative or republican laughing about raping a secretary of state or first lady to death. (So much for the party that supports women...apparently you need to be a certain type of woman) You will never find a conservative or republican listing democrats/liberals as something other than human and worthy of eradication.

Lets not forget that Margaret Sanger the "mother" of abortion rights, democrat, not only believed in eugenics, but felt it would be best used on minorities and Catholics. And you want to lecture on murderous rhetoric?

:Broncos:

[mhgaffney]

Who do you think orchestrated the 2003 war in Iraq?
The 2001 war in Afghanistan?

Democrats?

No, Republicans. Their violent rhetoric and 24X7 propaganda led to these wars.

Are you so far gone you don't even know this?

Unbelievable stupidity.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The problem is that leftists continually argue that conservatives or republican rhetoric leads to violence. The most commonly used people to demonstrate this are Palin, Rush and Beck. I not only pull from left wing radio and TV personalities but listed a congressman and a "comedian" to demonstrate a point. You are willfully blind if you believe the left is lacking in explosive rhetoric.

You will never find a conservative or republican laughing about raping a secretary of state or first lady to death. (So much for the party that supports women...apparently you need to be a certain type of woman) You will never find a conservative or republican listing democrats/liberals as something other than human and worthy of eradication.

Lets not forget that Margaret Sanger the "mother" of abortion rights, democrat, not only believed in eugenics, but felt it would be best used on minorities and Catholics. And you want to lecture on murderous rhetoric?

:Broncos:

Sanger was a scumbag worthy of scorn. She wanted abortion because it was an underhanded, subversive way to kill off african americans in this country. And she's a pillar of the left, a vaunted, praised heroine.

As for Beck, I have never heard him advocate any sort of hatred or violence. In fact, he advocates the opposite. I remember him quite clearly asking people before his 8/28 rally to leave their signs at home, and to instead come with a peaceful countenance. Thats how it happened, and then when people left, they made the place cleaner than it was when they got there. Beck has simply pointed out the obvious and the left hates him for it. Its obvious that Van Jones is a communist. Its obvious that there are socialists on the left (they tell us so themselves). I cant speak for him because I never hear Limbaugh, but I hear Beck occasionally in the car and he's the opposite of what the left want people to believe about him. I can guarantee that Beck will advocate peace and kindness again on Monday, probably with the same MLK philosophy that he has praised and advocated so much.

[sirhcyennek81]

Sanger was a scumbag worthy of scorn. She wanted abortion because it was an underhanded, subversive way to kill off african americans in this country. And she's a pillar of the left, a vaunted, praised heroine.

As for Beck, I have never heard him advocate any sort of hatred or violence. In fact, he advocates the opposite. I remember him quite clearly asking people before his 8/28 rally to leave their signs at home, and to instead come with a peaceful countenance. Thats how it happened, and then when people left, they made the place cleaner than it was when they got there. Beck has simply pointed out the obvious and the left hates him for it. Its obvious that Van Jones is a communist. Its obvious that there are socialists on the left (they tell us so themselves). I cant speak for him because I never hear Limbaugh, but I hear Beck occasionally in the car and he's the opposite of what the left want people to believe about him. I can guarantee that Beck will advocate peace and kindness again on Monday, probably with the same MLK philosophy that he has praised and advocated so much.


Beck: Faith, Hope & Charity
Left: HATE FILLED RHETORIC! BECK SHOULD APOLOGIZE!

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Who do you think...


You are still here?

:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Beck: Faith, Hope & Charity
Left: HATE FILLED RHETORIC! BECK SHOULD APOLOGIZE!

:Broncos:

They just want Beck to go away. Beck is the only guy who is willing to put everything he has on the line. Most people in the media arent willing to do that. When you take on George Soros, you're asking for trouble.

I think that Beck is getting fed information from some people in the know, because I dont see the guy as being intelligent enough to uncover some of the things that he has presented to his audience. He's basically just a comedian.

[Pseudofool]

The problem is that leftists continually argue that conservatives or republican rhetoric leads to violence. The most commonly used people to demonstrate this are Palin, Rush and Beck. I not only pull from left wing radio and TV personalities but listed a congressman and a "comedian" to demonstrate a point. You are willfully blind if you believe the left is lacking in explosive rhetoric. You have one quote from Dingleman that's not hateful at all. It's just a stupid quote, which I bet doesn't mean what you think it does. I cant believe you are suggesting with a straight face that conservative politicians and personalities don't hate monger more than liberal ones do. One doesn't have to do research to find evidence of conservative hate, one merely has to flip on the radio.

You will never find a conservative or republican laughing about raping a secretary of state or first lady to death. (So much for the party that supports women...apparently you need to be a certain type of woman) You will never find a conservative or republican listing democrats/liberals as something other than human and worthy of eradication. Oh bull crap, you can't know what every republican is thinking. As if republicans are never charged with crimes like rape.

Lets not forget that Margaret Sanger the "mother" of abortion rights, democrat, not only believed in eugenics, but felt it would be best used on minorities and Catholics. And you want to lecture on murderous rhetoric?Wha?

What's the source for these quotes, btw?

[Pseudofool]

Beck: Faith, Hope & CharityRepublicans are knowns for their hopeful outlooks and their giving natures. :flower:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Republicans are knowns for their hopeful outlooks and their giving natures.

It is well documented that people who identify themselves as conservative are exceedingly more charitable in their personal lives than people who identify themselves as liberal.

[Pseudofool]

It is well documented that people who identify themselves as conservative are exceedingly more charitable in their personal lives than people who identify themselves as liberal.Charity loses it's nobility when one writes them off on their taxes--given that wealthy people tend to be republican, and the tax incentive to donate, this should be no surprise. Write-off charity merely redirects tax dollars to help only those of the donator's choosing. There's nothing strikingly moral about helping only some citizens instead of all citizens.

It's difficult for me to see charity as anything but token acts of good will, which never really seek to undue the conditions that cause people to suffer within poverty.

[Requiem]

Of all the things that were listed, you pick out Wanda Sykes?


:Broncos:

None of them met the criteria Pseudo was looking for.

That was kind of my point.

:Broncos: :DennyGreen:

[JJJ]

Ah the selective history argument, always compelling. Beyond having no relevance to the current cultural climate, it's juvenile to pick and choose what historical facts fit argument and leave the rest out. Many of these people aren't acting on liberal beliefs though you've lumped them here. But let's set that aside.

There are more prominent conservatives who communicate hateful rhetoric than there are prominent liberals who do, mostly because there is a better market for hateful rhetoric on one side than the other.

Here's a collection of vitriolic rhetoric from the CPAC 2010 (provided by daily show, unfortunately):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d83iAFcr62M
Here's a youtube video of the some Palin/McCain rallies as evidence for it's ability to foster a culture of hate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3o3y77MaA

I challenge you to find liberal politicians who use such rhetoric. If you find any, the number will be very small.

In general, liberals are pretty non-violent it's why you call us wusses; shouldn't be any big deal to acknowledge that. Yes, crazy violent liberals do exist, but the hateful culture just doesn't.

If by selective you mean picking the last 4 assasination attempts on presidents than guilty as charged. As someone else mentioned you could add Kennedy in there as well and of the last five none of them have been orchestrated by a conservative.

Though Gaff will probably try to give some conspiracy theory nonsense on the JFK killing. Loved the Sirhan Sirhan one, "He doesn't remember". This guy keeps us laughing that is for sure.

Just listen to utter nonsense coming out of Big Ed, Madcow, and the other loonies on MSNBC and you will see there is certainly a hateful culture on your end of the spectrum. From a talkshow rhetoric perspective the liberals have definitely caught up with the conservatives and I think passed them in spouting nonsense.

You are pretty blind if you think the far left is not dangerous. They are by far the most dangerous element in the country most prone to violence, both group and individual, in the last 50 years. Those are just the facts borne out by history.

[BroncoLifer]

Republicans are knowns for their hopeful outlooks and their giving natures. :flower:

Correct.

[cutthemdown]

Charity loses it's nobility when one writes them off on their taxes--given that wealthy people tend to be republican, and the tax incentive to donate, this should be no surprise. Write-off charity merely redirects tax dollars to help only those of the donator's choosing. There's nothing strikingly moral about helping only some citizens instead of all citizens.

It's difficult for me to see charity as anything but token acts of good will, which never really seek to undue the conditions that cause people to suffer within poverty.

You don't save that much when you give to charity. Trust me that's not peoples main reason for giving.

It is fair though you shouldnt pay tax on money you give away. You never make money off giving to charity though. It's not some rich person scam to save on tax.

[sirhcyennek81]

It's difficult for me to see charity as anything but token acts of good will, which never really seek to undue the conditions that cause people to suffer within poverty.


Since man has assigned value to anything, there has been poor people. No amount of societal restructuring, wealth distribution or tax rate jiggering is ever going to eradicate poverty. What disturbs me is that democrats seem upset when individuals decide to help the poor in their own way, rather than sending increasing amounts of their income to government...because government has always been so efficient with it.

Is it better somehow when government spends trillions on welfare, food stamps or healthcare rather than allow individuals to figure it out themselves? It is not noble to take from someone who has been successful to give it to someone who is not because of an arbitrary sense of what is "right" or "moral". What government should be doing is insure that all Americans have the same opportunity to succeed. That does not mean you steal property (which is what monetary wealth is) in order to give it to someone else because a random third party believes one has more than the other.

Empires have collapsed because too few people were supporting too many and the many increasingly demanded more. We are repeating the same mistakes and will face the same end result.

:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Charity loses it's nobility when one writes them off on their taxes--given that wealthy people tend to be republican, and the tax incentive to donate, this should be no surprise. Write-off charity merely redirects tax dollars to help only those of the donator's choosing. There's nothing strikingly moral about helping only some citizens instead of all citizens.

It's difficult for me to see charity as anything but token acts of good will, which never really seek to undue the conditions that cause people to suffer within poverty.

Thats quite a cynical attitude.

I have a challenge for you.

Find a local charity that deals with the poor, the sick, the elderly, etc. Commit to giving a few hours a month to volunteering with that charity for a year. Start paying attention to the people you meet as you work. The people you are working with and the people you are working to help. You'll meet some people who will instill hope in you for the future of man. Genuine, good people. If you really care about helping out, you'll feel the pull to give more time...and it wont seem like a stress to give that time up. You'll want to do it.

I dont know if this is the case with you, but the people who tend to be cynical about charity often havent discovered the value of it for themself. There is immense value in charity...it changes peoples lives.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Beck: Faith, Hope & Charity
Left: HATE FILLED RHETORIC! BECK SHOULD APOLOGIZE!


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[epicSocialism4tw]

Videos from radical propaganda outlets



You do realize that you just posted videos from the radical organizations that Beck has outed on his show, right?

Media Matters and Democracy Now are George Soros organizations.

[mhgaffney]

If by selective you mean picking the last 4 assasination attempts on presidents than guilty as charged. As someone else mentioned you could add Kennedy in there as well and of the last five none of them have been orchestrated by a conservative.

Though Gaff will probably try to give some conspiracy theory nonsense on the JFK killing. Loved the Sirhan Sirhan one, "He doesn't remember". This guy keeps us laughing that is for sure.

Just listen to utter nonsense coming out of Big Ed, Madcow, and the other loonies on MSNBC and you will see there is certainly a hateful culture on your end of the spectrum. From a talkshow rhetoric perspective the liberals have definitely caught up with the conservatives and I think passed them in spouting nonsense.

You are pretty blind if you think the far left is not dangerous. They are by far the most dangerous element in the country most prone to violence, both group and individual, in the last 50 years. Those are just the facts borne out by history.

JJJ,

You are just plain ignorant. What I said is correct. Do yourself a favor. Lift a finger to find out the facts. Read the James Douglas book JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE. With 100 pages of documentation about the CIA role in the execution of JFK.

As for Sirhan Sirhan, my post was correct. He does not remember what happened the night of the RFK assassination. You can laugh all you want -- but it's true.

[Popcorn Sutton]

You do realize that you just posted videos from the radical organizations that Beck has outed on his show, right?

Media Matters and Democracy Now are George Soros organizations.

All you care about is Left and Right. Did you hear what Beck was saying in the videos? Do you care?

Beck: "We have to drive a stake through the heart of the blood suckers!"

I'll take a page from your book: You do realize that conservative blog sites would never post anything that sheds a negative light on any conservatives, right?

[JJJ]

All you care about is Left and Right. Did you hear what Beck was saying in the videos? Do you care?

Beck: "We have to drive a stake through the heart of the blood suckers!"

I'll take a page from your book: You do realize that conservative blog sites would never post anything that sheds a negative light on any conservatives, right?

The guy blubbers and sheds more tears than any man in the country other than John Boehner.

This is your radical right wing bogeyman? The all powerful terror of tears.

You guys are hilarious and apparently scare very easily on the left.

Beck constantly eschews violence of any sort on his show. Repeatedly and consistently.

Sarah Palin talks in hunting metaphors used everyday when you guys talk about football. Ohh the horror. Really it is all a bit silly.

[Rigs11]

It is well documented that people who identify themselves as conservative are exceedingly more charitable in their personal lives than people who identify themselves as liberal.

yeah charitable to the rich though tax cuts

[epicSocialism4tw]

yeah charitable to the rich though tax cuts

Nope. Charitable to the poor. Conservatives give more to Africa by far.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Taxes have nothing to do with charitable giving one way or another because they are not voluntary.

Here's an interesting excerpt from a book review on the matter of charitable giving and party affiliation:

The book uses data from many sources to prove that the one overwhelming predictor of generosity is religion. Political affiliation is almost irrelevant - the statistics for religious liberals and religious conservatives are identical. Religious people are statistically more likely to give than secularists (91% to 66%), and give more of their money (3.5 times more than secularists), are more likely to volunteer their time (67% to 44%), and volunteer more of their time (almost twice as much). The fact that the conservative population is more charitable than the liberal population is due to the fact that religious people tend to be politically conservative.

[Rohirrim]

Judging by his mug shot, the train has left the station, so to speak.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/235940/LOUGHNER-MUGSHOT.jpg

[Rohirrim]

The guy blubbers and sheds more tears than any man in the country other than John Boehner.

This is your radical right wing bogeyman? The all powerful terror of tears.

You guys are hilarious and apparently scare very easily on the left.

Beck constantly eschews violence of any sort on his show. Repeatedly and consistently.

Sarah Palin talks in hunting metaphors used everyday when you guys talk about football. Ohh the horror. Really it is all a bit silly.

Propagandists and fear-mongers like Limbaugh, Beck and Palin speak in code. They communicate their message of fear, hatred and violence to their followers, in language their followers understand, while retaining deniability. You don't think anybody gets that? This is pretty basic stuff. Surprised you don't get it.

[DBruleU]

Propagandists and fear-mongers like Limbaugh, Beck and Palin speak in code. They communicate their message of fear, hatred and violence to their followers, in language their followers understand, while retaining deniability. You don't think anybody gets that? This is pretty basic stuff. Surprised you don't get it.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wAxDMfEGhoY/TI6y4IuY8aI/AAAAAAAAAS8/NCjMIHtSW0E/s1600/Not+Sure+if+serious.jpg

[DomCasual]

Judging by his mug shot, the train has left the station, so to speak.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/235940/LOUGHNER-MUGSHOT.jpg

I don't recall feeling as much hatred towards someone as I feel towards this guy. Seeing this smug-ass picture and knowing that it came a few hours after he unloaded a bullet into a nine-year-old girl - well, what can you say?

[JJJ]

Propagandists and fear-mongers like Limbaugh, Beck and Palin speak in code. They communicate their message of fear, hatred and violence to their followers, in language their followers understand, while retaining deniability. You don't think anybody gets that? This is pretty basic stuff. Surprised you don't get it.

OK, Gaff, got it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Propagandists and fear-mongers like Limbaugh, Beck and Palin speak in code. They communicate their message of fear, hatred and violence to their followers, in language their followers understand, while retaining deniability. You don't think anybody gets that? This is pretty basic stuff. Surprised you don't get it.

Yeah, that doesnt sound crazy at all.

[Rohirrim]

Suddenly, the righties go deaf and dumb. No surprise there.

[DBruleU]

Suddenly, the righties go deaf and dumb. No surprise there.

I don't even think you know what you're talking about either.

[Pony Boy]

What does it tell you about our Nation was a crazed gunman can walk up to an unguarded U.S. congressman and fire point blank and a college coach walks out onto the field with 4 state troopers at his side.....

[epicSocialism4tw]

Suddenly, the righties go deaf and dumb. No surprise there.

You need a ride to crazytown?

Lone Bolt can get you a shirt if you need one:
http://imagineannie.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/straight-jacket1.jpg

[sirhcyennek81]

Something wrong with this country when a nutball kills a federal judge and shoots a congresswoman and the first impulse from one side it to immediately blame the other for "hateful rhetoric" without knowing even a hint of motive.

That is seriously wrong.

:Broncos:

[DBruleU]

Something wrong with this country when a nutball kills a federal judge and shoots a congresswoman and the first impulse from one side it to immediately blame the other for "hateful rhetoric" without knowing even a hint of motive.

That is seriously wrong.

:Broncos:

That's why snowspot isn't around anymore...

That or he really gave all his money away sine he said he was willing to bet it was a Tea Partier.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Something wrong with this country when a nutball kills a federal judge and shoots a congresswoman and the first impulse from one side it to immediately blame the other for "hateful rhetoric" without knowing even a hint of motive.

That is seriously wrong.

:Broncos:

And its going to be terrible for our country. The anger and vitriol on the left is boiling over.

There's nothing good that will come from this. That Pima sherriff should be fired yesterday.

[sirhcyennek81]

And its going to be terrible for our country. The anger and vitriol on the left is boiling over.

There's nothing good that will come from this. That Pima sherriff should be fired yesterday.


I think its telling when 24 hours after this tragedy, legislation is proposed to limit the first and second amendments. Like that was the problem in the first place. Too much free speech and too many guns around.

:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think its telling when 24 hours after this tragedy, legislation is proposed to limit the first and second amendments. Like that was the problem in the first place. Too much free speech and too many guns around.

:Broncos:

Yeah, nobody would ever guess that a crazy person acts insanely and does irrational things.

The bills proposed right now should all be shelved for a few months so that people can get clearer perspective.

[sirhcyennek81]

Yeah, nobody would ever guess that a crazy person acts insanely and does irrational things.

The bills proposed right now should all be shelved for a few months so that people can get clearer perspective.


Another thing that's telling. Its never the individual's fault. This dumb mother ****er in AZ kills 6 people. Its not because he is crazy, its because of Beck or Palin or Rush. Yeah...looking at pictures of that kid it just screams a follower of CPAC or the hertiage foundation or conservative talk radio.

Its pure insanity.

:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Another thing that's telling. Its never the individual's fault. This dumb mother ****er in AZ kills 6 people. Its not because he is crazy, its because of Beck or Palin or Rush. Yeah...looking at pictures of that kid it just screams a follower of CPAC or the hertiage foundation or conservative talk radio.

Its pure insanity.

:Broncos:

Insanity breeding insanity.

I gave it a little thought, and I really think that this will mark the decline of the modern left in this country.

The way that they have used this event as a political tool to assassinate the character of their most hated opponents will come back to bite them in the butt big time. The major media has just lost whatever credibility there may have been left. You cant misreport a major event like this and expect that people not turn away.

[Rohirrim]

I don't even think you know what you're talking about either.

I took some communications and media classes at CU. This stuff was covered in propaganda 101. It's fundamental stuff. Go to your local library. You think it's surprising that the Right Wingers hold onto that deniability so fiercely? Yeah, Palin and Beck and Limbaugh aren't inciting anything. They're innocent. As long as this vitriol benefits the Right politically, they will continue to claim it is harmless.

Are you people really this naive?

[baja]

Obtuse, they are obtuse.

[JJJ]

Suddenly, the righties go deaf and dumb. No surprise there.

We are not actually quiet. We are communicating in our secret code so you can't see it or hear it.

[sirhcyennek81]

I took some communications and media classes at CU. This stuff was covered in propaganda 101. It's fundamental stuff. Go to your local library. You think it's surprising that the Right Wingers hold onto that deniability so fiercely? Yeah, Palin and Beck and Limbaugh aren't inciting anything. They're innocent. As long as this vitriol benefits the Right politically, they will continue to claim it is harmless.

Are you people really this naive?


So...was it a conservative or a liberal who wrote a book and produced a movie pushing the assassination of GW Bush?


:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

So...was it a conservative or a liberal who wrote a book and produced a movie pushing the assassination of GW Bush?


:Broncos:

GW Bush actually wrote the book and produced the movie. At least thats what I suspect Rohirrim and his ilk convince themselves of.

[Pseudofool]

You need a ride to crazytown?

Lone Bolt can get you a shirt if you need one:
http://imagineannie.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/straight-jacket1.jpgThe rhetoric of the noble, the kind, the hopeful, the charitable, right here, folks! Everyone, come witness the goodwill, the bridge building, the dignity this man shows to whom he disagrees.

I see you.

[Pseudofool]

We are not actually quiet. We are communicating in our secret code so you can't see it or hear it.Does cleverness get you a tax cut, because I'm not sure how the invisible hand got you there.

[TailgateNut]

And its going to be terrible for our country. The anger and vitriol on the left is boiling over.

There's nothing good that will come from this. That Pima sherriff should be fired yesterday.

I thought you righties always thought the left had no hutzbahs.

What are you worried about? That the actions of the right over the past few decades is comng home to roost?

[TailgateNut]

I took some communications and media classes at CU. This stuff was covered in propaganda 101. It's fundamental stuff. Go to your local library. You think it's surprising that the Right Wingers hold onto that deniability so fiercely? Yeah, Palin and Beck and Limbaugh aren't inciting anything. They're innocent. As long as this vitriol benefits the Right politically, they will continue to claim it is harmless.

Are you people really this naive?

Naive/arrogant/and stupid all in one.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The anger and vitriol on the left is boiling over.



Hilarious!

You live in bass-ackwards world, don't you?

Since the '08 election season, it's been one shooting spree after another where the perp has been some right-wing nutjob targeting liberals or Democrats.

It's been right-wing knuckle draggers showing up at Obama speeches with rifles.

And all the while it's been Bible Barbie and her ilk inciting these retarded f_ck sticks at their KKK rallies.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Boomhauer]

Propagandists and fear-mongers like Limbaugh, Beck and Palin speak in code. They communicate their message of fear, hatred and violence to their followers, in language their followers understand, while retaining deniability. You don't think anybody gets that? This is pretty basic stuff. Surprised you don't get it.

You sure about that, or revealing your hand? When pinko extremists instantly claim an act of violence is politically motivated, when gays claim everyone has a bit of sugar in their tank, when racists claim they're discriminated against, when Demo zealots cry about finacial corruption, civil rights abuses or try and create conspiracy theories, there can only be one response.

He who smealt it, dealt it.

[TonyR]

The major media has just lost whatever credibility there may have been left. You cant misreport a major event like this and expect that people not turn away.

What was "misreported" my the MSM? Please provide examples and specifics or STFU.

[Rohirrim]

You can't blame those who are ignorant, but you can blame those who choose ignorance.

[sirhcyennek81]

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Bill Ayres. You know, the guy who bombed the pentagon all in the name of socialist revolution.

You really need to try harder.

:Broncos:

[Popcorn Sutton]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028120-503544.html

Jared Loughner a registered Independent, didn't vote in 2010

Though the evidence seems to indicate (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028022-503544.html) Loughner lacks a fixed ideology (outside of anti-government sentiment) and may be mentally unstable, many have drawn conclusions about his political leanings. Some have cast him as a conservative and blamed Sarah Palin and Tea Party influences for his actions, while others have cast him as a "lunatic liberal."




Loughner himself isn't talking. But the record shows that he registered as an independent in 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters, and did not vote in 2010.



Bryce Tierney, a friend of Loughner's, told (http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1) Mother Jones magazine that Loughner doesn't have any specific political or ideological bent. "It wasn't like he was in a certain party or went to rallies," he said. "It's not like he'd go on political rants."