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Jesterhole
01-07-2011, 09:00 PM
Not really a lot of news, kind of sums up the past couple of weeks. Talks about the coaches that have passed and spins it pretty negative. Also reiterates Elway's commitment to Tebow.



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- John Elway hasn't even interviewed his first head coaching candidate and already the Denver Broncos' new football boss is 0-for-2.

One day after Atlanta offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey canceled his interview with the Broncos, Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh decided to join the San Francisco 49ers without ever hearing Elway's offer.

Elway had told Harbaugh he'd love to talk to him about the Broncos job if he decided to jump to the NFL, but Harbaugh didn't consider Denver as a destination, interviewing with the 49ers and entertaining a cross-country courtship by the Miami Dolphins this week before accepting San Francisco's offer Friday.

The Broncos are in need of a massive makeover following the Josh McDaniels misadventure, which included a series of bad personnel decisions that led to a 4-12 season, the worst in franchise history.

The major rebuilding project needed in Denver might be scaring away some coaching candidates.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/07/broncos.plans.ap/index.html#ixzz1APf5CuIi

bombay
01-07-2011, 09:05 PM
"Elway has indicated his next coach should be a believer in Tebow, the rookie quarterback who started the last three games after supplanting Kyle Orton (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7282) but needs to transform into a pocket passer to be successful in the NFL.
"When Tim came out of college, he didn't come out of a pro-oriented type offense. He came out of the option, the shotgun, the pistol/cannon look ... so footwork-wise and technique-wise what I've been able to see over the last three games is that's got to improve," Elway said.
"I think we have high expectations of Tim to come in and do it right now because of who he is and the college career that he had. But there's a lot of things that the next head coach who comes in has got to be able to work with him on as far as the technique and accuracy."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/07/broncos.plans.ap/index.html#ixzz1APgm8NTn

tsiguy96
01-07-2011, 09:06 PM
rivera, nolan, mularkey. pick one, im happy.

OrangeSe7en
01-07-2011, 09:07 PM
The part about not interviewing Harbaugh is a fair point to make. John dismissed it as him wanting to coach college but then ends up with egg on his face when, that same day, Harbaugh goes to the Niners. It seems most likely that the Broncos simply aren't willing to pay Harbaugh's asking price but admitting that publicly would make a liar out of Joe Ellis, who previously said something about signing 8 head coaches if they have to.

frerottenextelway
01-07-2011, 09:07 PM
rivera, nolan, mularkey. pick one, im happy.

Fewell. ;D

Killericon
01-07-2011, 09:07 PM
Mularkey didn't cancel as much as he postponed. Peter King's original tweet said he was only keeping his interview with Cleveland as arrangements had already been made for him. He wants to focus on the playoffs.

For Harbaugh, it was between Miami, SF and staying at Stanford. Miami was backing up a brinks truck, but bailed on him. So he opted to stay close to home.

Sometimes, it's not as sinister as it seems.

Broncosfreak_56
01-07-2011, 09:08 PM
If someone does not want to coach the Broncos or does not want the challenge of building a team, then I don't want them anyway. They can go f*ck themselves.

Jesterhole
01-07-2011, 09:09 PM
rivera, nolan, mularkey. pick one, im happy.

Mularkey already passed. I wouldn't mind Rivera, it would weaken a rival and hopefully make us better.

Bronco Rob
01-07-2011, 09:09 PM
One day after Atlanta offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey canceled his interview with the Broncos, Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh decided to join the San Francisco 49ers without ever hearing Elway's offer.


Mularkey canceled his interview with the Broncos that was slated for Friday night in Atlanta, saying he wanted to focus on the playoffs, although he kept his scheduled interview with the Cleveland Browns on Saturday.



Joy!

frerottenextelway
01-07-2011, 09:14 PM
Does anyone else not really care what Mularkey thinks? This is a guy that thought it would be better to air it out with Tommy Maddux and Kordell Stewart instead of running the ball when Jerome Bettis and a dominant defense was on that team. His loss, not ours.

gtown
01-07-2011, 09:16 PM
Rivera or Nolan. I have lit my candles.

OrangeSe7en
01-07-2011, 09:17 PM
Does anyone else not really care what Mularkey thinks? This is a guy that thought it would be better to air it out with Tommy Maddux and Kordell Stewart instead of running the ball when Jerome Bettis and a dominant defense was on that team. His loss, not ours.

Not Mularkey but the Harbaugh thing is egg on the face.

gtown
01-07-2011, 09:21 PM
Not Mularkey but the Harbaugh thing is egg on the face.

I think its the other way around. Harbaugh had an incentive to stay in the Bay Area, take more money than the Broncos can probably offer, and ESPN stated he wanted to play in the NFC on a team he thought could easily make the playoffs (which is any team in the NFC West).

The Mularkey thing is more of an indictment of how much status the Broncos HC position has lost. The Broncos will most likely pick a coach soon, most likely before Atlanta is out of the playoffs. Mularkey not rearranging his schedule for an interview for even next week to me says "please pick someone before my schedule opens up."

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-07-2011, 09:23 PM
"Elway has indicated his next coach should be a believer in Tebow, the rookie quarterback who started the last three games after supplanting Kyle Orton (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7282) but needs to transform into a pocket passer to be successful in the NFL.
"When Tim came out of college, he didn't come out of a pro-oriented type offense. He came out of the option, the shotgun, the pistol/cannon look ... so footwork-wise and technique-wise what I've been able to see over the last three games is that's got to improve," Elway said.
"I think we have high expectations of Tim to come in and do it right now because of who he is and the college career that he had. But there's a lot of things that the next head coach who comes in has got to be able to work with him on as far as the technique and accuracy."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/07/broncos.plans.ap/index.html#ixzz1APgm8NTn

Sounds like Elway just wants to undermine Tim. We should all probably hate him.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-07-2011, 09:24 PM
rivera, nolan, mularkey. pick one, im happy.

Add Fewell, and maybe Morninwheg, and I'd be pleased.

OrangeSe7en
01-07-2011, 09:27 PM
I think its the other way around. Harbaugh had an incentive to stay in the Bay Area, take more money than the Broncos can probably offer, and ESPN stated he wanted to play in the NFC on a team he thought could easily make the playoffs (which is any team in the NFC West).

The Mularkey thing is more of an indictment of how much status the Broncos HC position has lost. The Broncos will most likely pick a coach soon, most likely before Atlanta is out of the playoffs. Mularkey not rearranging his schedule for an interview for even next week to me says "please pick someone before my schedule opens up."

Except Elway went on the radio and dismissed Harbaugh as wanting to remain in college the same day he signs with the Niners.

Jesterhole
01-07-2011, 09:31 PM
Add Fewell, and maybe Morninwheg, and I'd be pleased.

Morninwheg? That pudgy, sweaty dude that left the Lions practice in a huff on his Harley in a BS theatrical stunt for the media? No thanks...

Agamemnon
01-07-2011, 09:32 PM
You drama queens are cracking me up...

Jesterhole
01-07-2011, 09:35 PM
You drama queens are cracking me up...

Whatever you say, alternate screen name #45.

epicSocialism4tw
01-07-2011, 09:37 PM
I think that these coaches want their cake and to eat it too. I doubt they want to come into a situation where the front office is reeling back personnel control after the two previous coaches made a mockery out of general management.

BroncoMan4ever
01-07-2011, 09:38 PM
The part about not interviewing Harbaugh is a fair point to make. John dismissed it as him wanting to coach college but then ends up with egg on his face when, that same day, Harbaugh goes to the Niners. It seems most likely that the Broncos simply aren't willing to pay Harbaugh's asking price but admitting that publicly would make a liar out of Joe Ellis, who previously said something about signing 8 head coaches if they have to.

i believe the Bowlen will pay whatever it costs to get the right guy, and just because Harbaugh had all the hype going for him, is a guy coming from college with no NFL HC experience truly worthy of being one of the top paid coaches in the NFL? i consider this more of a wariness from the last hire. they went out for the guy with a ton of hype and ended up a bottomfeeder two years later for believing the hype and not going for actual proven ability.

Requiem
01-07-2011, 09:40 PM
Whatever you say, alternate screen name #45.

LULZ. :thanku:

OrangeSe7en
01-07-2011, 09:42 PM
i believe the Bowlen will pay whatever it costs to get the right guy, and just because Harbaugh had all the hype going for him, is a guy coming from college with no NFL HC experience truly worthy of being one of the top paid coaches in the NFL? i consider this more of a wariness from the last hire. they went out for the guy with a ton of hype and ended up a bottomfeeder two years later for believing the hype and not going for actual proven ability.

Except he has already been a head coach at some level, is 47 years old, and has been a player in the NFL. Elway was interested in him but then suddenly he's a no-go because of Pats f*** up with Josh even though Harbaugh isnt really like Josh? It seems more likely that its about money.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-07-2011, 09:42 PM
Morninwheg? That pudgy, sweaty dude that left the Lions practice in a huff on his Harley in a BS theatrical stunt for the media? No thanks...

Experience working with a mobile, left-handed QB. Check.

Head coaching experience. Check.

A good X's and O's man, looking for a chance to make his mark. Check.

Sounds awful. Let's hire someone who's never been a full head coach, or has never coached in the pros. Much better solution.

:rofl:

The problem is that nobody here knows what they want.

Agamemnon
01-07-2011, 09:50 PM
Except he has already been a head coach at some level, is 47 years old, and has been a player in the NFL. Elway was interested in him but then suddenly he's a no-go because of Pats **** up with Josh even though Harbaugh isnt really like Josh? It seems more likely that its about money.

I think it's the fact that he doesn't have to move his family. I also think he's going to regret the choice.

BroncoMan4ever
01-07-2011, 09:54 PM
Except he has already been a head coach at some level, is 47 years old, and has been a player in the NFL. Elway was interested in him but then suddenly he's a no-go because of Pats **** up with Josh even though Harbaugh isnt really like Josh? It seems more likely that its about money.

i agree it is a step up from McD, but i think the thought that the overwhelming majority of college coaches coming to the NFL usually fail is a widely known fact was a bit of a hindrance with the team not going all out for him, at least not at the cost he was wanting, when they thought they could go against the widely known belief that anyone from the New England coaching tree in the HC position outside of New England fails.

i believe they felt the risk of hoping he was the lone diamond HC from the college ranks capable of moving to the NFL wasn't worth the cost.

i agree it was money, but not in the sense that they won't pay for the right coach, but more that they thought his risk as a college coach attempting to begin his HC career in the pros wasn't worth what he was being offered by the 49ers and Dolphins.

look at the list of candidates for our vacancy, most if not all have been coaching in the NFL for several years, are current NFL coaches and have NFL HC experience.

BroncoMan4ever
01-07-2011, 09:55 PM
Experience working with a mobile, left-handed QB. Check.

Head coaching experience. Check.

A good X's and O's man, looking for a chance to make his mark. Check.

Sounds awful. Let's hire someone who's never been a full head coach, or has never coached in the pros. Much better solution.

:rofl:

The problem is that nobody here knows what they want.

i'm less worried about the HC than i am about who the assistants will be.

look at KC, they didn't win because of Haley, they won because of Weis and Crennel as the coordinators.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-07-2011, 10:15 PM
Not really a lot of news, kind of sums up the past couple of weeks. Talks about the coaches that have passed and spins it pretty negative. Also reiterates Elway's commitment to Tebow.



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- John Elway hasn't even interviewed his first head coaching candidate and already the Denver Broncos' new football boss is 0-for-2.
One day after Atlanta offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey canceled his interview with the Broncos, Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh decided to join the San Francisco 49ers without ever hearing Elway's offer.

Elway had told Harbaugh he'd love to talk to him about the Broncos job if he decided to jump to the NFL, but Harbaugh didn't consider Denver as a destination, interviewing with the 49ers and entertaining a cross-country courtship by the Miami Dolphins this week before accepting San Francisco's offer Friday.

The Broncos are in need of a massive makeover following the Josh McDaniels misadventure, which included a series of bad personnel decisions that led to a 4-12 season, the worst in franchise history.

The major rebuilding project needed in Denver might be scaring away some coaching candidates.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/07/broncos.plans.ap/index.html#ixzz1APf5CuIi

Better to get a good one than to get an early one ala McDumbass.

Likwid Kerruj
01-07-2011, 10:25 PM
No coach coming in is going to want to be FORCED to develop Tebow.

epicSocialism4tw
01-07-2011, 10:55 PM
No coach coming in is going to want to be FORCED to develop Tebow.

I seriously doubt thats part of the issue.

Jesterhole
01-07-2011, 11:21 PM
Experience working with a mobile, left-handed QB. Check.

Head coaching experience. Check.

A good X's and O's man, looking for a chance to make his mark. Check.

Sounds awful. Let's hire someone who's never been a full head coach, or has never coached in the pros. Much better solution.

:rofl:

The problem is that nobody here knows what they want.

The dude went 5-27. You want him here? Are you freaking kidding me? He is a classic example of good coordinator, terrible head coach. Kinda like Josh.

Requiem
01-07-2011, 11:22 PM
Más sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo!

Jesterhole
01-07-2011, 11:23 PM
No coach coming in is going to want to be FORCED to develop Tebow.

No coach coming in is going to have control over the roster. Xanders/Elway control that, so the coach will be expected to coach the players he's got.

peacepipe
01-07-2011, 11:25 PM
No coach coming in is going to have control over the roster. Xanders/Elway control that, so the coach will be expected to coach the players he's got.exactly why noone worth a **** is going to want to come to denver.

Jesterhole
01-07-2011, 11:26 PM
Más sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo!

El miedo no anda en burro!

Requiem
01-07-2011, 11:34 PM
Jesterhole, nice.

TailgateNut
01-07-2011, 11:39 PM
No coach coming in is going to want to be FORCED to develop Tebow.


This^

Requiem
01-07-2011, 11:40 PM
You can't force the willing.

OrangeSe7en
01-07-2011, 11:57 PM
i agree it is a step up from McD, but i think the thought that the overwhelming majority of college coaches coming to the NFL usually fail is a widely known fact was a bit of a hindrance with the team not going all out for him, at least not at the cost he was wanting, when they thought they could go against the widely known belief that anyone from the New England coaching tree in the HC position outside of New England fails.

i believe they felt the risk of hoping he was the lone diamond HC from the college ranks capable of moving to the NFL wasn't worth the cost.

i agree it was money, but not in the sense that they won't pay for the right coach, but more that they thought his risk as a college coach attempting to begin his HC career in the pros wasn't worth what he was being offered by the 49ers and Dolphins.

look at the list of candidates for our vacancy, most if not all have been coaching in the NFL for several years, are current NFL coaches and have NFL HC experience.

Elway himself said Harbaugh is different in this regard. He knows what the pro game is all about and is actually winning with a pro offense at a program that rarely wins like this. I dont really think it was a concern with Elway, otherwise, theres no reason to be interested in the beginning.

But you're kind of touching on another issue, which is how much power John actually has. In this instance, it's kind of looking like Pat/Joe undermined him with their purse strings and also it kind of looks like Elway and Pat/Joe aren't exactly on the same page.

16slayer24
01-08-2011, 01:58 AM
urban meyer

footstepsfrom#27
01-08-2011, 02:09 AM
rivera, nolan, mularkey. pick one, im happy.
This is the wrong approach. We shouldn't be satisified with just any coach. We need the right guy in here, and by the right guy, I mean one who i sgoing to take us back to the big show. I don't care how long they take as long as they get it right this time.

footstepsfrom#27
01-08-2011, 02:13 AM
urban meyer
Rep. Meyer stands alone head and shoulders above any college coach in the country.

I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him. He's going to take some time off and do the family thing, but it's already rumored he's in line for an ESPN gig. I could see him sitting it out a year and then wanting back in. The only thing that would derail that is if he truly has no desire to ever be in the NFL. Tebow says he likes to work with the young kids, but I bet he'd like to work with Tebow again too.

AZorange1
01-08-2011, 02:21 AM
What about Oregon's Chip Kelly? The guy has done unreal things with the programs he's worked with. Sounds like an outstanding fit with Tebow. If they are gonna take a chance on a guy with no NFL experience, then why not this guy?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2011, 07:16 AM
The dude went 5-27. You want him here? Are you freaking kidding me? He is a classic example of good coordinator, terrible head coach. Kinda like Josh.

And where was he coaching?

And who was his GM?

And who was his owner?

There was NO ****ING TALENT on those Detroit teams.

Again, I don't think bringing him in for an interview would be the worst thing in the world. /shrug

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2011, 07:19 AM
The dude went 5-27. You want him here? Are you freaking kidding me? He is a classic example of good coordinator, terrible head coach. Kinda like Josh.

By the way, they said the same things about Bill Belicheck and Mike Shanahan after their first head coaching gigs -- which, I'll remind you, came with bad teams with bad situations and really bad owners. How's that working out?

elsid13
01-08-2011, 07:22 AM
Morninwheg? That pudgy, sweaty dude that left the Lions practice in a huff on his Harley in a BS theatrical stunt for the media? No thanks...

He also follows the pattern of what make a successful head coach the second time around.

- experience and understanding of all the demands of being head coach. That involves all the media demands.
- led a top rated unit for more then one season as coordinator
- has playoff experience
- comes off the GB coaching tree.
- been involved with two different organizations

Add in the fact that he runs modified WCO, that fits with personnel Denver has in place it good fit.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2011, 07:25 AM
He also follows the pattern of what make a successful head coach the second time around.

- experience and understanding of all the demands of being head coach. That involves all the media demands.
- led a top rated unit for more then one season as coordinator
- has playoff experience
- comes off the GB coaching tree.

Add in the fact that he runs modified WCO, that fits with personnel Denver has in place it good fit.

See what happens when you think things through, Jester? "BUT HE'Z NOT GUD B-CUZ HE COCHED AT DEETROYT! LOLZ!" doesn't need to be what you contribute.

Jesterhole
01-08-2011, 01:01 PM
See what happens when you think things through, Jester? "BUT HE'Z NOT GUD B-CUZ HE COCHED AT DEETROYT! LOLZ!" doesn't need to be what you contribute.

All of that can be said about Wade Phillips. Does that make him a great head coach? No. Just because you think you know 'the pattern' that makes a great head coach, like you can read the freakin' Matrix or something, doesn't mean I didn't think things through.

Plain and simple, a real man, a real head coach, wouldn't have pulled that Harley stunt that he did, where we was begging to have his team see how cool and tough he was. Can you imagine Cowher, or Shanahan, or even Gruden doing something like that?

I'm not saying he can't coach, but he isn't what I want in a head coach.

elsid13
01-08-2011, 01:16 PM
All of that can be said about Wade Phillips. Does that make him a great head coach? No. Just because you think you know 'the pattern' that makes a great head coach, like you can read the freakin' Matrix or something, doesn't mean I didn't think things through.

Plain and simple, a real man, a real head coach, wouldn't have pulled that Harley stunt that he did, where we was begging to have his team see how cool and tough he was. Can you imagine Cowher, or Shanahan, or even Gruden doing something like that?

I'm not saying he can't coach, but he isn't what I want in a head coach.

Those three I couldn't but I could see Ryan, Bum Phillps and Ditka do that.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 01:19 PM
In this instance, it's kind of looking like Pat/Joe undermined him with their purse strings and also it kind of looks like Elway and Pat/Joe aren't exactly on the same page.

Where is this coming from? Remember, the Broncos were said to be trying to set up an interview after Miami and San Fran already talked to Harbaugh and stories were out about Miami offering $7 million per year. So the Broncos were well aware he would be expensive. The real story is that Harbaugh was disinterested in the job by then, probably in large part because he'd already decided to take the Niners job. There is absolutely no indication that money was a factor here.

Cito Pelon
01-08-2011, 01:33 PM
Mularkey didn't cancel as much as he postponed. Peter King's original tweet said he was only keeping his interview with Cleveland as arrangements had already been made for him. He wants to focus on the playoffs.

For Harbaugh, it was between Miami, SF and staying at Stanford. Miami was backing up a brinks truck, but bailed on him. So he opted to stay close to home.

Sometimes, it's not as sinister as it seems.

True.

Gort
01-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Mularkey didn't cancel as much as he postponed. Peter King's original tweet said he was only keeping his interview with Cleveland as arrangements had already been made for him. He wants to focus on the playoffs.

For Harbaugh, it was between Miami, SF and staying at Stanford. Miami was backing up a brinks truck, but bailed on him. So he opted to stay close to home.

Sometimes, it's not as sinister as it seems.

i'm shocked! shocked i tell ya!! shocked that a guy who coaching in Palo Alto would end up taking an NFL job in Santa Clara. shocked!!

come on guys... there was no chance of Harbaugh coming here. it was always a pipedream, just like last week's fascination with Andrew Luck.

i'm assuming Harbaugh has a family. why would he want to disrupt their lives and move to Denver, when all he had to do was take the 49ers job and change his commute?

and who says Harbaugh is going to be a good NFL head coach anyway? i know his brother is doing OK in Baltimore, but why is Harbaugh any more or less of a sure thing than McD was 2 years ago?

i swear i hate this time of year. the rampant speculation about all things that could happen being equally likely to happen is crazy. what we need this offseason is simple...

- hire a GM (check)
- hire a HC with experience ( )
- hire a great QB coach for Tebow ( )
- get everyone healthy ( )
- draft defense ( )
- trade anyone expendable (e.g. Orton) who can help us fill holes ( )
- put a law firm on retainer for all of our knucklehead players who can't stay out of trouble with the law ( )
- turn around the losing culture that's set in at Dove Valley ( )

Cito Pelon
01-08-2011, 01:43 PM
The part about not interviewing Harbaugh is a fair point to make. John dismissed it as him wanting to coach college but then ends up with egg on his face when, that same day, Harbaugh goes to the Niners. It seems most likely that the Broncos simply aren't willing to pay Harbaugh's asking price but admitting that publicly would make a liar out of Joe Ellis, who previously said something about signing 8 head coaches if they have to.

Elway has to learn to be ambiguous. Elway was talking to his good buddies on the radio and said a little too much. He'll learn pretty quick being "transparent" to the media is gonna kick him in the nuts.

TonyR
01-08-2011, 01:47 PM
- hire a GM (check)


Well, to be fair, many here were adamant that we bring in a legit, experienced GM from the outside. Many/most were hoping Xanders would be jettisoned completely or at best given a lesser role. So assuming you "check" refers to Xanders I think many would disagree that the mission has been accomplished in this regard. That's no intentional and direct knock on Xanders, maybe he'll be great. But it's certainly not what most people wanted. I'd be curious to see whether or not this was your preference after McDaniels was fired because that was certainly a minority opinion.

Cito Pelon
01-08-2011, 01:49 PM
Fewell. ;D

Well, let's see what the brain trust thinks about him. Pretty good prospect. If he's not too sissy to work for the Duke. :~ohyah!:

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 02:12 PM
- turn around the losing culture that's set in at Dove Valley ( )

This one cannot be overstated, and the next head coach will have alot to do in this regard.

Gort
01-08-2011, 05:10 PM
Well, to be fair, many here were adamant that we bring in a legit, experienced GM from the outside. Many/most were hoping Xanders would be jettisoned completely or at best given a lesser role. So assuming you "check" refers to Xanders I think many would disagree that the mission has been accomplished in this regard. That's no intentional and direct knock on Xanders, maybe he'll be great. But it's certainly not what most people wanted. I'd be curious to see whether or not this was your preference after McDaniels was fired because that was certainly a minority opinion.

well, from what i've heard here locally, he was a GM in name only under McD. he deferred to McD because that's how Josh wanted it and ownership didn't step in to draw a line between the 2 "positions". but i also could tell he wasn't on board with some of McD's choices, but went along with them for the sake of the organization. i don't know if he'll be good or not. but i do know that Shanny and McD had full control over personnel, so in this "new" structure, having somebody who can say NO to the HC is a major upgrade, even if they have to go to Elway to break the tie. that didn't exist in recent years.

Gort
01-08-2011, 05:17 PM
This one cannot be overstated, and the next head coach will have alot to do in this regard.

losing teams get frustrated when things don't go their way and start expecting more bad things to happen.

winning teams get angry when things don't go their way and become more determined to turn them around.

i know Champ's not a "rah-rah" guy so i'm removing him from this remark (even though i do believe he's a leader), but the last guy we had who got pissed off about losing and wanted to make the other team pay when things went against the Broncos was Al Wilson. i can't think of anyone since then who has taken on that role. i guess Tebow is as close as we have to that now and he's a rookie. other than Tebow, who do we have like that? think about guys like Romanowski and Sharpe who didn't tolerate excuses and went out there with the mindset that we might lose a game, but nobody would beat us. since Al Wilson and maybe Rod Smith, who we have we had like that?

i'd like to see that swagger come back, especially at home. i don't care if the Broncos lose games so much as i don't want to see them beaten. that 59-whatever game against the Raiders was an example of a team that got frustrated, essentially gave up, and allowed another team to resoundingly beat them. that should be required viewing next year in training camp. 2011 Broncos players ought to be pissed about that happening at Invesco.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 08:46 PM
losing teams get frustrated when things don't go their way and start expecting more bad things to happen.

winning teams get angry when things don't go their way and become more determined to turn them around.

i know Champ's not a "rah-rah" guy so i'm removing him from this remark (even though i do believe he's a leader), but the last guy we had who got pissed off about losing and wanted to make the other team pay when things went against the Broncos was Al Wilson. i can't think of anyone since then who has taken on that role. i guess Tebow is as close as we have to that now and he's a rookie. other than Tebow, who do we have like that? think about guys like Romanowski and Sharpe who didn't tolerate excuses and went out there with the mindset that we might lose a game, but nobody would beat us. since Al Wilson and maybe Rod Smith, who we have we had like that?

i'd like to see that swagger come back, especially at home. i don't care if the Broncos lose games so much as i don't want to see them beaten. that 59-whatever game against the Raiders was an example of a team that got frustrated, essentially gave up, and allowed another team to resoundingly beat them. that should be required viewing next year in training camp. 2011 Broncos players ought to be pissed about that happening at Invesco.

They should be shown those blowout losses, and then they should be shown how the attendance numbers dropped successively after that.

People dont want to come out and watch a bunch of pathetic bums. This aint the Cleveland Indians. This is the Denver Broncos.