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Inkana7
01-06-2011, 03:06 PM
AdamSchefter
As Dolphins figure out their plans, the Broncos are attempting to set up an interview with Jim Harbaugh to get their chance at Stanford HC.

i4jelway7
01-06-2011, 03:11 PM
Harbaugh has a deal in place w/ the dolphins, but the dolphins will have to satisfy the rooney rule before Harbaugh can accept.... I don't think there is anyway the broncos will pay him over 7 mil a year like the dolphins are... just a matter of 24hrs before he will be the dolphins coach IMO.

BroncosMT
01-06-2011, 03:11 PM
Harbaugh has a deal in place w/ the dolphins, but the dolphins will have to satisfy the rooney rule before Harbaugh can accept.... I don't think there is anyway the broncos will pay him over 7 mil a year like the dolphins are... just a matter of 24hrs before he will be the dolphins coach IMO.

Agreed....once they fire sporano

Inkana7
01-06-2011, 03:12 PM
Harbaugh has a deal in place w/ the dolphins, but the dolphins will have to satisfy the rooney rule before Harbaugh can accept.... I don't think there is anyway the broncos will pay him over 7 mil a year like the dolphins are... just a matter of 24hrs before he will be the dolphins coach IMO.

What candidate in their right mind would interview with the Phins after this mess?

Stupid, stupid decision on their front to be so upfront about their Harbaugh boner without satisfying the Rooney Rule or even getting rid of their old coach.

Requiem
01-06-2011, 03:13 PM
Bowlen sees Miami's 7 million and raises them. . . ONE BILLION DOLLARS.

http://i.bnet.com/blogs/drevil.jpg

FantomForce
01-06-2011, 03:13 PM
Harbaugh has a deal in place w/ the dolphins, but the dolphins will have to satisfy the rooney rule before Harbaugh can accept.... I don't think there is anyway the broncos will pay him over 7 mil a year like the dolphins are... just a matter of 24hrs before he will be the dolphins coach IMO.

What no, the will bring in a qualified canadite, didn't you read the earlier thread. Satisfy the rule Ha!

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 03:14 PM
Harbaugh has a deal in place w/ the dolphins, but the dolphins will have to satisfy the rooney rule before Harbaugh can accept.... I don't think there is anyway the broncos will pay him over 7 mil a year like the dolphins are... just a matter of 24hrs before he will be the dolphins coach IMO.

Wasn't there a deal in place between Jim harbaugh & the 49ers? just saying. this may be a rumor being put out there to keep teams from entering the fray.

i4jelway7
01-06-2011, 03:15 PM
What candidate in their right mind would interview with the Phins after this mess?

Stupid, stupid decision on their front to be so upfront about their Harbaugh boner without satisfying the Rooney Rule or even getting rid of their old coach.

probably an assistant coach already on the staff hoping to stay on

OrangeSe7en
01-06-2011, 03:16 PM
Hopefully he does his due diligence. Working with Elway might have some pull.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 03:17 PM
Harbaugh has a deal in place w/ the dolphins, but the dolphins will have to satisfy the rooney rule before Harbaugh can accept.... I don't think there is anyway the broncos will pay him over 7 mil a year like the dolphins are... just a matter of 24hrs before he will be the dolphins coach IMO.

Apparently Elway and Co. are undaunted by the pricetag or they wouldn't still be pursuing him. And personally I don't believe they are anywhere near being as close to signing him as you seem to think.

While the Dolphins are theoretically in better shape than us, I tend to think we are the more promising team long-term. We have Tebow and they have...Henne...

i4jelway7
01-06-2011, 03:17 PM
Wasn't there a deal in place between Jim harbaugh & the 49ers? just saying. this may be a rumor being put out there to keep teams from entering the fray.

true.... Harbaugh's agent could be floating all kinds of rumors.. who really knows, but I bet Harbaugh gets over 7 mil and it won't be denver paying that

Taco John
01-06-2011, 03:18 PM
Pat is already paying around $7 million a year on coaches who aren't coaching for us... What's another $7 mil?

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 03:19 PM
Pat is already paying around $7 million a year on coaches who aren't coaching for us... What's another $7 mil?

We aren't paying McD anything due to the deal we made with him.

bowtown
01-06-2011, 03:20 PM
Pat is already paying around $7 million a year on coaches who aren't coaching for us... What's another $7 mil?

$14 mil. Surprised you lack such basic addition skills.

yerner
01-06-2011, 03:21 PM
7 million is too high for a dude that has never proved anything in the NFL. That is a bizzare amount.

Smiling Assassin27
01-06-2011, 03:22 PM
true.... Harbaugh's agent could be floating all kinds of rumors.. who really knows, but I bet Harbaugh gets over 7 mil and it won't be denver paying that

Belichick earns 7.5 mil per year. Anyone that pays this guy that amount should have their head examined.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:22 PM
7 million is too high for a dude that has never proved anything in the NFL. That is a bizzare amount.

I agree. I've also soured on Harbaugh now that it has been reported he used the bid from his alma mater to jack up his own price.

Taco John
01-06-2011, 03:23 PM
I agree. I've also soured on Harbaugh now that it has been reported he used the bid from his alma mater to jack up his own price.

I don't understand. Why would that sour you?

Money on the table is money on the table.

zdoor
01-06-2011, 03:25 PM
I agree. I've also soured on Harbaugh now that it has been reported he used the bid from his alma mater to jack up his own price.

I think it was speculated by a journalist more than reported....

i4jelway7
01-06-2011, 03:27 PM
Belichick earns 7.5 mil per year. Anyone that pays this guy that amount should have their head examined.


agreed

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:27 PM
I don't understand. Why would that sour you?

Money on the table is money on the table.

Because Wolverine fans are very excited at the prospect of Harbaugh coming back there. God knows, Michigan is getting hit worse that most places these days, with the recession. I find it heartless and manipulative, if true. The report is that he leaked the sum (5.2 mil) that Michigan put on the table. If that's true, it's dishonest.

Houshyamama
01-06-2011, 03:30 PM
Because Wolverine fans are very excited at the prospect of Harbaugh coming back there. God knows, Michigan is getting hit worse that most places these days, with the recession. I find it heartless and manipulative, if true. The report is that he leaked the sum (5.2 mil) that Michigan put on the table. If that's true, it's dishonest.

Dishonest?

It's business, dude. Seriously?

Unless you're a Michigan fan I can't see why anyone would have a problem understanding that it's just good business. In fact, it gives me hope that he understands how to work a situation to get the most out of what he has.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:32 PM
Dishonest?

It's business, dude. Seriously?

I know we live in an age where greed is all, and there is no such thing as morality in business. Just call me old school. ;D

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 03:33 PM
7 million is too high for a dude that has never proved anything in the NFL. That is a bizzare amount.

I don't want any part of Hollywood Harbaugh if he wants that much

Houshyamama
01-06-2011, 03:35 PM
I know we live in an age where greed is all, and there is no such thing as morality in business. Just call me old school. ;D

The NFL is a business ;D

If he did this to ASU, I'd be peeved because that's my alma mater, so I can understand Michigan fans being upset. However from a business perspective, the move is nothing but savy, savy?

i4jelway7
01-06-2011, 03:36 PM
ha ha reported now that he met w/ the Stanford president this morning to get Stanford's best offer now

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/06/jim-harbaugh-meets-with-stanford-president/

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:36 PM
The NFL is a business ;D

If he did this to ASU, I'd be peeved because that's my alma mater, so I can understand Michigan fans being upset. However from a business perspective, the move is nothing but savy, savy?

I suppose. I hope we pass. 7 mil is waaaay too much for an unproven coach.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:38 PM
I know we live in an age where greed is all, and there is no such thing as morality in business. Just call me old school.

They should have worried about ethics (morality is different) in business when they were using him as a player for four years to rake in cash into the athletic department.

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 03:40 PM
ha ha reported now that he met w/ the Stanford president this morning to get Stanford's best offer now

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/06/jim-harbaugh-meets-with-stanford-president/

I'm all for someone trying to get as much cash as possible for themselves, but these antics just turn me off of Hollywood

Houshyamama
01-06-2011, 03:40 PM
I suppose. I hope we pass. 7 mil is waaaay too much for an unproven coach.

Agreed. It's a huge risk.

Winning in college is very much about recruiting. While that may show a great eye for talent, in the NFL you're not going to have a huge talent advantage year in and year out like Pete Carroll had at USC. This is why so many college coaches struggle at the pro level IMO. Just speculation.

crowebomber
01-06-2011, 03:40 PM
He's the flavor of the month. Might be a good head coach but I can't help thinking he's coming in in the same situation as McDaniels. Basically, I think he could be a great head coach but not with his first team.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:40 PM
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LUUUUuuunKK can stil play 4 teh Bornocs!!!!!!!111!!111!

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:41 PM
They should have worried about ethics (morality is different) in business when they were using him as a player for four years to rake in cash into the athletic department.

Good point.

Smiling Assassin27
01-06-2011, 03:42 PM
Because Wolverine fans are very excited at the prospect of Harbaugh coming back there. God knows, Michigan is getting hit worse that most places these days, with the recession. I find it heartless and manipulative, if true. The report is that he leaked the sum (5.2 mil) that Michigan put on the table. If that's true, it's dishonest.

There's no dishonesty in it at all, from what I see. Telling a prospective employer what you've been offered by a second prospective employer is nothing if not honest. Dishonest would be if you promised not to tell about the offer and then did or told UM that he'd become their coach for 5.2 mil and then shopped it purely to earn more elsewhere.

As for Wolverine fans, forgive me for not crying a river. Harbaugh owes nothing to them. The Free Press has reported that the likelihood of him landing at UM was almost nil, so Michigan fans' excitement is unwarranted.

Finally, you weep for Michigan--a state that is mired in economic mud. Michigan created their own situation, it was not thrust upon them from outside. Only 25 cents of every dollar UM spends is funded by the state of Michigan. If they choose to blow up their budget on a 5.2 mil dollar coach, it's their prerogative but it sure as heck ain't harbaugh's problem. If UM would temper their desire to have this guy at 5.2 mil, they could maintain a budget with financial aid, stable tuition rates, and all.

What exactly is the threshold for an 'acceptable' amount to pay the UM football coach, exactly? Why? Your objection is entirely arbitrary. Nick Saban earns 5.2 milllion per year and has two national titles. Harbaugh can ask for all the money he wants but if UM is dumb enough to pay it, they are the ones that damage the ordinary man in Flint, MI, not jim harbaugh.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 03:44 PM
Apparently it's up to 8 million now. This is retarded.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d80258/article/dolphins-move-to-forefront-of-harbaugh-hunt-49ers-mull-options?module=HP_headlines

Taco John
01-06-2011, 03:45 PM
Because Wolverine fans are very excited at the prospect of Harbaugh coming back there. God knows, Michigan is getting hit worse that most places these days, with the recession. I find it heartless and manipulative, if true. The report is that he leaked the sum (5.2 mil) that Michigan put on the table. If that's true, it's dishonest.

I can't see how that's dishonest. I'm stretching my mind here trying to see how. This guy has a family to watch out for, and when he dies, the government is going to take about half of his estate. He should maximize his earnings however he can.

lostknight
01-06-2011, 03:45 PM
My guess is that he ends up back at Stanford with Luck, smelling the hero for daring to stay with his old comrades for far more money.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Apparently it's up to 8 million now. This is retarded.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d80258/article/dolphins-move-to-forefront-of-harbaugh-hunt-49ers-mull-options?module=HP_headlines

This tells alot about what people think about the other commonly mentioned coaches.

Has Cowher, Dungy, Gruden, or Billick even been mentioned with any other teams?

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Apparently it's up to 8 million now. This is retarded.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d80258/article/dolphins-move-to-forefront-of-harbaugh-hunt-49ers-mull-options?module=HP_headlines

Damn! Pretty soon we'll be talking about a coaches cap.

frerottenextelway
01-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Harbaugh is p'bly too pricey.

I think this is who our next HC will be.

http://historybyday.com/photos/Perry-Fewell.jpg

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 03:46 PM
I can't see how that's dishonest. I'm stretching my mind here trying to see how. This guy has a family to watch out for, and when he dies, the government is going to take about half of his estate. He should maximize his earnings however he can.

only if he is a complete drooling moron, you are right, my guess is, he probably knows a lawyer or 2, in fact, there could be at least one at Standford :approve:

crowebomber
01-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Apparently it's up to 8 million now. This is retarded.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d80258/article/dolphins-move-to-forefront-of-harbaugh-hunt-49ers-mull-options?module=HP_headlines

Yeah, that's what I heard Cowher was wanting a few months ago if he were to get back into coaching. I mean, good for Harbaugh if someone pays him. I just hope we don't give up that kind of coin for someone that green.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:47 PM
I can't see how that's dishonest. I'm stretching my mind here trying to see how. This guy has a family to watch out for, and when he dies, the government is going to take about half of his estate. He should maximize his earnings however he can.

It's the leaking of the number that bothers me, not using it in private negotiations.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:47 PM
I can't see how that's dishonest. I'm stretching my mind here trying to see how. This guy has a family to watch out for, and when he dies, the government is going to take about half of his estate. He should maximize his earnings however he can.

No doubt.

This might be his best opportunity to cash in. What if he fails at his next job? That salary plummets pretty quick.

supermanhr9
01-06-2011, 03:48 PM
The fact that an unproven coach will be paid more than Bellichek makes me laugh. Got get it Jim,,,, Get your money and run.

Smiling Assassin27
01-06-2011, 03:48 PM
They should have worried about ethics (morality is different) in business when they were using him as a player for four years to rake in cash into the athletic department.

And 'greed' is a subjective term. Some would call 'asking for what he thinks he's worth to the university' greedy. I wouldn't. You've defined 'greed' as 'an amount of money that I deem too high for the service you provide and the prestige/funding/etc. you could bring to our university.'

Greed is historically an inordinate love for money/riches/fame, etc. I don't know Jim Harbaugh and so would not venture to assume that this definition applies to him.

bowtown
01-06-2011, 03:49 PM
Tebow believes that his next head coch should covet not material posessions or 8 mil salaries.

supermanhr9
01-06-2011, 03:49 PM
I'd pay Cowher 8 mil. Where's my checkbook

frerottenextelway
01-06-2011, 03:50 PM
What if we all chip in $5?

Smiling Assassin27
01-06-2011, 03:51 PM
It's the leaking of the number that bothers me, not using it in private negotiations.

Why does that bother you? Unless he promised to not disclose it, specifically at UM's request and then did it, then you've got a problem. What UM is doing offering the guy the highest salary in college football, I have no idea. You talk about offending the common man who is suffering economically in Michigan and blame harbaugh for the university offering an obscene salary? Odd.

bowtown
01-06-2011, 03:52 PM
What if we all chip in $5?

Or what if John just chips in 8 mil? Same thing.

Taco John
01-06-2011, 03:53 PM
It's the leaking of the number that bothers me, not using it in private negotiations.


I seriously doubt that it's Jim Harbaugh who is leaking the numbers. Surely he is using an agent who is acting on his behest, and that parson is doing whatever it takes to maximize his clients deal, like he's being paid to do. Even then, the leaks could be coming from virtually anywhere.

I don't want Harbaugh either. But I don't look at him as some sort of evil person for wanting to make as much money as possible. Skills pay bills.

Houshyamama
01-06-2011, 03:55 PM
Skills pay bills.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/01/16/alg_cavaliers_lebron_james.jpg

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 04:01 PM
I really think it's assinine to pay Harbaugh $7/8m a year when he's never coached a single game in the NFL. It's like paying a rookie $50m guaranteed before he's played a single game in the NFL.

I'd take Fassel before Harbaugh, he's at least proven he can coach in the NFL and he would cost half as much, if not less.

crowebomber
01-06-2011, 04:04 PM
What if we all chip in $5?

Then we would have about $85 grand. Which might buy one of these guys:

baja
01-06-2011, 04:12 PM
Harbaugh is like the hot, can't miss, #1 pick QB, he is being hyped to redicilus heights - pass!

crowebomber
01-06-2011, 04:12 PM
Harbaugh is like the hot, can't miss, #1 pick QB, he is being hyped to redicilus heights - pass!

This.

Los Broncos
01-06-2011, 04:18 PM
What if we all chip in $5?

That might get us some tickets to some games.

Smelvin
01-06-2011, 04:23 PM
I don't understand why any fan would care how much the head coach is making. It's not your money, and it doesn't effect the salary cap, so as far as I'm concerned, I want the best coach available, regardless of how much it costs.

Jim Harbaugh will win big in the NFL. Hopefully with us.

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 04:28 PM
I don't understand why any fan would care how much the head coach is making. It's not your money, and it doesn't effect the salary cap, so as far as I'm concerned, I want the best coach available, regardless of how much it costs.

Jim Harbaugh will win big in the NFL. Hopefully with us.

It's more than the money, it's the point of him asking so much. It barks of ego. Yah, everyone wants to get paid and yah, no one works for free, that being said, c'mon dude.

Smelvin
01-06-2011, 04:31 PM
It's more than the money, it's the point of him asking so much. It barks of ego. Yah, everyone wants to get paid and yah, no one works for free, that being said, c'mon dude.

Don't forget how John Elway started his career.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 04:31 PM
I seriously doubt that it's Jim Harbaugh who is leaking the numbers. Surely he is using an agent who is acting on his behest, and that parson is doing whatever it takes to maximize his clients deal, like he's being paid to do. Even then, the leaks could be coming from virtually anywhere.

I don't want Harbaugh either. But I don't look at him as some sort of evil person for wanting to make as much money as possible. Skills pay bills.

I like Harbaugh's coaching and the kind of smash-mouth team he put together at Stanford, but not 8 mil worth.

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:31 PM
screw him. He's looking for a payday, and if it goes sour he'll do a nick saban. We want someone who's first concern is winning a lombardi. Den is a job where a coach doesn't get flack from ownership, and ownership hates uncertantiy and chaos. if a guy doesn't crave for that job, screw him.

I admire Mularky though. I don't think Den can wait very long because there's a lot of on team talent that needs evaluating, including Champ, as well as the draft.

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:32 PM
Don't forget how John Elway started his career.

it wasn't about money. It was about Frank Kush, who was an a-hole. Elway's father recruited against the guy and hated his guts.

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 04:38 PM
Don't forget how John Elway started his career.

I don't see any similarities between Elway and Harbaugh's situations.

Play2win
01-06-2011, 04:40 PM
Yeah, I don't think a money-grab is the tell-tale signs of a Head Coach that would reconnect with the fans.

Chris
01-06-2011, 04:41 PM
Can anyone with a reasonable football mind tell me why Harbaugh will get this much money?

Please don't tell us he took a 1-11 team and made it a 12-1 team. I need something more detailed than that.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 04:43 PM
Can anyone with a reasonable football mind tell me why Harbaugh will get this much money?

Please don't tell us he took a 1-11 team and made it a 12-1 team. I need something more detailed than that.

He was born to coach. Its in his family. His family has been successful as coaches, and none of them were as successful as Jim was as an athlete. Jim has more knowledge to work with and appears to have the same ability.

Smelvin
01-06-2011, 04:48 PM
I don't see any similarities between Elway and Harbaugh's situations.

Not strictly from a financial point of view (although Elway did sign a 5 year, $5M deal that at the time was the largest in history)...but John called his shot. He refused to play for a team and forced a trade. Yes, a guy who had never thrown an NFL pass was calling his own shots.

Harbaugh is also calling his own shots. He knows there's a tremendous market for his services, and he's making sure he gets the best deal possible. You know, just like pretty much every FA athlete does.

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Not strictly from a financial point of view (although Elway did sign a 5 year, $5M deal that at the time was the largest in history)...but John called his shot. He refused to play for a team and forced a trade. Yes, a guy who had never thrown an NFL pass was calling his own shots.

Harbaugh is also calling his own shots. He knows there's a tremendous market for his services, and he's making sure he gets the best deal possible. You know, just like pretty much every FA athlete does.

Elway would have gotten about the same regardless since he was the top overall pick and best qb prospect in decades, and he deservedly got the biggest contract to that time. No one suggested Harbaugh (or Luck) shouldn't look for their best situation. But You posted elway did it over money, which is incorrect. It was about a guy named Frank Kush. Use google.

elsid13
01-06-2011, 04:54 PM
I agree. I've also soured on Harbaugh now that it has been reported he used the bid from his alma mater to jack up his own price.

That sound like smart business to me.

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:57 PM
That sound like smart business to me.

But the business is about winning a lombardi. The money will be there. but the primary concern for anyone denver hires should be is his first priority winning. Sean Payton gave up money from his own pocket to get Gregg Williams as a DC. That's the attitude Den needs.

broncos-rock
01-06-2011, 04:57 PM
Anyone else put off by how Harbaugh handled the press conference after the bowl game. It seems to me like it was more like McDaniels than any of the other coaches I've seen!

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 04:59 PM
Not strictly from a financial point of view (although Elway did sign a 5 year, $5M deal that at the time was the largest in history)...but John called his shot. He refused to play for a team and forced a trade. Yes, a guy who had never thrown an NFL pass was calling his own shots.

Harbaugh is also calling his own shots. He knows there's a tremendous market for his services, and he's making sure he gets the best deal possible. You know, just like pretty much every FA athlete does.

But Elway's issue was never about money, it was about not playing for the Baltimore Colts due to his dislike of their front office personel, not about money. In fact, the Colts could have paid him more than $1m a year and he still would have turned them down. Elway was going to play for the NY Yankees before he was going to play for the Colts.

Harbaugh's situation is different.

elsid13
01-06-2011, 05:05 PM
But the business is about winning a lombardi. The money will be there. but the primary concern for anyone denver hires should be is his first priority winning. Sean Payton gave up money from his own pocket to get Gregg Williams as a DC. That's the attitude Den needs.

Yes and no. I can not fault someone, that one day is going to be fired, to try to maximize his earning potential. Just because he ask for a lot of money doesn't mean that he isn't committed to winning.

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 05:05 PM
I'd rather get a cheaper HC and use the money on top flight assistants.

bendog
01-06-2011, 05:06 PM
But Elway's issue was never about money, it was about not playing for the Baltimore Colts due to his dislike of their front office personel, not about money. In fact, the Colts could have paid him more than $1m a year and he still would have turned them down. Elway was going to play for the NY Yankees before he was going to play for the Colts.

Harbaugh's situation is different.

yeah but it was the coach Kush who Elway couldn't take. During his presser yesterday, Elway actually said he'd called Ernie Accorsi, who'd been the GM, after he accepted the new job, and Accorsi was very gracious and Elway said he'd be calling for advice. Classy move by both guys.

bendog
01-06-2011, 05:07 PM
I'd rather get a cheaper HC and use the money on top flight assistants.

I read "flight attendants"

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 05:07 PM
I'd rather get a cheaper HC and use the money on top flight assistants.

For a second there, I thought you said flight attendants.



I was all for it. :wiggle:

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 05:08 PM
I'd rather get a cheaper HC and use the money on top flight assistants.

A cheap HC usually means not a very good HC.

baja
01-06-2011, 05:14 PM
Remember the importance Elway put on "consensus". I believe we will hire a coaching team, a HC that is a manager and facilitator with strong competent position coaches. I hope this is the model the Broncos follow.

Smelvin
01-06-2011, 05:17 PM
But Elway's issue was never about money, it was about not playing for the Baltimore Colts due to his dislike of their front office personel, not about money. In fact, the Colts could have paid him more than $1m a year and he still would have turned them down. Elway was going to play for the NY Yankees before he was going to play for the Colts.

Harbaugh's situation is different.

I never said Elway's situation was about money. It was about him going somewhere HE wanted to go. It was about knowing there was a market for his services, and he had leverage, so he used that leverage to dictate where he would go (or actually where he would not go).

Harbaugh's situation is about money, but like Elway, he is regarded as a top tier talent and thus has created a market for his services. He is using that market to his advantage.

Mediator12
01-06-2011, 05:20 PM
But Elway's issue was never about money, it was about not playing for the Baltimore Colts due to his dislike of their front office personel, not about money. In fact, the Colts could have paid him more than $1m a year and he still would have turned them down. Elway was going to play for the NY Yankees before he was going to play for the Colts.

Harbaugh's situation is different.

Yeah, it is. John did not want to play for the team that drafted him, because his DAD did not like the guy. So, he forced a trade or he would have played baseball. A guy who had never played a down in the NFL, forced a trade. That is the epitomy of self interest before team.

Harbaugh has coached at the NFL level, then revived 2 destitute programs and made them contenders. He has a Job and people are pursuing him. He does not have to leave Stanford, these people are recruiting him legitimately with more money. Just because the amount is pretty high (Pete Carroll got about 7 Million to go to SEA last year BTW) you think its all about the money?

You really do not understand Harbaugh more than the little you have read about him. He is a coaches kid, his brother is an excellent NFL head coach, and his brother in law is Tom Crean the HC for IU's basketball team. This is about taking the best situation from multiple options and DEN is not necessarily the best one available right now, despite the homerism here. He is not Forcing anything, he is being actively pursued by many prominent suitors for his services. He is the HOT coaching prospect.

So, stop acting like Elway was anything more than Eli Manning's precursor. Elway acted poorly, but DEN reaped the benefits so people tend to look the other way. Harbaugh is actually being pursued, and pursued by 2 real front offices and the AMATEUR hour that is currently DEN's FO. There were not many people actively pursuing Elways services to be VP of football operations. There are at least 5 players for Harbaugh's services and a bidding war is going on between the serious players.

oubronco
01-06-2011, 05:22 PM
Get r done

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 05:23 PM
A cheap HC usually means not a very good HC.

I said Cheaper...as in cheaper then Jimmy Harbaugh...which is basically everyone

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 05:23 PM
I never said Elway's situation was about money. It was about him going somewhere HE wanted to go. It was about knowing there was a market for his services, and he had leverage, so he used that leverage to dictate where he would go (or actually where he would not go).

Harbaugh's situation is about money, but like Elway, he is regarded as a top tier talent and thus has created a market for his services. He is using that market to his advantage.

Ok, I guess. Elway stated he did not want to play for one particular team because of that team's coach. That left 29 other teams open for his services. Harbaugh appears to be saying he will go to the highest bidder which is different IMHO. One situation is about a coach, the other situation is about money. Not really sure the two situations are the same.

strafen
01-06-2011, 05:29 PM
I don't understand. Why would that sour you?

Money on the table is money on the table.
It is the law of supply and demand.
Harbaugh is hands down the hottest headcoach prospect out there.
He's the equivalent of a #1 overall pick.

He will demand the money, and we should give it to him.
Unless you guys tell me you've got something better.
Harbaugh is the right fit for us.

Smelvin
01-06-2011, 05:33 PM
I've been preaching this for sometime now, and I'll say it again....Jim Harbaugh would be a coup of epic proportions. I'm a Stanford fan first and foremost. I grew up watching John at Stanford, that's why I'm a Broncos fan. I live in Palo Alto and have been a die hard Broncos fan since the day John stepped in Mile High.

Anyway...I've watched every Stanford game for the last 25 years. What Harbaugh has done over the last 4 years to the program is beyond remarkable. He turned them into the most physical, hardest hitting, most disciplined and efficient team in the country. They don't have near the team speed of Oregon or Auburn. Not even on par with VA Tech for the matter. But he runs a pro system and he understands matchups. Did you notice how he adjusted in the second half v VA Tech? 28-0 in the second half. He noticed that the VA Tech DBs were blanketing his WR's. No separation whatsoever. So in the second half they threw to their TE's over and over again. Completely dominated the second half - made it look easy.

He's being doing this all year. He instilled a winning culture at a place didn't didn't know what the word winning meant. He motivates, he teaches, he manages, he schemes...he wins.

He would be the perfect man to turn around our currently pathetic franchise.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 05:42 PM
I've been preaching this for sometime now, and I'll say it again....Jim Harbaugh would be a coup of epic proportions. I'm a Stanford fan first and foremost. I grew up watching John at Stanford, that's why I'm a Broncos fan. I live in Palo Alto and have been a die hard Broncos fan since the day John stepped in Mile High.

Anyway...I've watched every Stanford game for the last 25 years. What Harbaugh has done over the last 4 years to the program is beyond remarkable. He turned them into the most physical, hardest hitting, most disciplined and efficient team in the country. They don't have near the team speed of Oregon or Auburn. Not even on par with VA Tech for the matter. But he runs a pro system and he understands matchups. Did you notice how he adjusted in the second half v VA Tech? 28-0 in the second half. He noticed that the VA Tech DBs were blanketing his WR's. No separation whatsoever. So in the second half they threw to their TE's over and over again. Completely dominated the second half - made it look easy.

He's being doing this all year. He instilled a winning culture at a place didn't didn't know what the word winning meant. He motivates, he teaches, he manages, he schemes...he wins.

He would be the perfect man to turn around our currently pathetic franchise.

Damn! Hell of a sales job. I'm back on board. !Booya!

(I was very impressed with those second half adjustments)

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 05:42 PM
I've been preaching this for sometime now, and I'll say it again....Jim Harbaugh would be a coup of epic proportions. I'm a Stanford fan first and foremost. I grew up watching John at Stanford, that's why I'm a Broncos fan. I live in Palo Alto and have been a die hard Broncos fan since the day John stepped in Mile High.

Anyway...I've watched every Stanford game for the last 25 years. What Harbaugh has done over the last 4 years to the program is beyond remarkable. He turned them into the most physical, hardest hitting, most disciplined and efficient team in the country. They don't have near the team speed of Oregon or Auburn. Not even on par with VA Tech for the matter. But he runs a pro system and he understands matchups. Did you notice how he adjusted in the second half v VA Tech? 28-0 in the second half. He noticed that the VA Tech DBs were blanketing his WR's. No separation whatsoever. So in the second half they threw to their TE's over and over again. Completely dominated the second half - made it look easy.

He's being doing this all year. He instilled a winning culture at a place didn't didn't know what the word winning meant. He motivates, he teaches, he manages, he schemes...he wins.

He would be the perfect man to turn around our currently pathetic franchise.

So I guess you'd be the #1 Broncos fan of all time if Harbaugh come to Denver? :wiggle:

Eh, I think your perspect if Harbaugh is a little over the top. I know he's a great coach and all and I'd love for the Broncos to get him, but I'm not so sure he's the next greatest NFL coach of all time.

In other words, if the Broncos don't land Harbaugh, I'm not gonna slit my wrists or anything...

strafen
01-06-2011, 05:50 PM
So I guess you'd be the #1 Broncos fan of all time if Harbaugh come to Denver? :wiggle:

Eh, I think your perspect if Harbaugh is a little over the top. I know he's a great coach and all and I'd love for the Broncos to get him, but I'm not so sure he's the next greatest NFL coach of all time.

In other words, if the Broncos don't land Harbaugh, I'm not gonna slit my wrists or anything...So, throw me some names you think should do better for us?

Smelvin
01-06-2011, 05:51 PM
So I guess you'd be the #1 Broncos fan of all time if Harbaugh come to Denver? :wiggle:

Eh, I think your perspect if Harbaugh is a little over the top. I know he's a great coach and all and I'd love for the Broncos to get him, but I'm not so sure he's the next greatest NFL coach of all time.

In other words, if the Broncos don't land Harbaugh, I'm not gonna slit my wrists or anything...

After Elway, Eddie Mac, John Lynch...I'd love another Stanford great help get the Broncos to where we all want them to be.

Is he the best coach of all-time? I'm not saying that. But I firmly believe he's the best coach available, and I don't give a rats ass how much they pay him since it's not my money. And it doesn't count against the salary cap.

I want the best coach available, and I firmly believe that man is Jim Harbaugh. Especially considering his track record developing QB's, and we definitely have one needing development.

If we don't land him, bummer, but I'll support whoever we do hire until he gives me a reason not to.

RADRHATR
01-06-2011, 05:52 PM
I've been preaching this for sometime now, and I'll say it again....Jim Harbaugh would be a coup of epic proportions. I'm a Stanford fan first and foremost. I grew up watching John at Stanford, that's why I'm a Broncos fan. I live in Palo Alto and have been a die hard Broncos fan since the day John stepped in Mile High.

Anyway...I've watched every Stanford game for the last 25 years. What Harbaugh has done over the last 4 years to the program is beyond remarkable. He turned them into the most physical, hardest hitting, most disciplined and efficient team in the country. They don't have near the team speed of Oregon or Auburn. Not even on par with VA Tech for the matter. But he runs a pro system and he understands matchups. Did you notice how he adjusted in the second half v VA Tech? 28-0 in the second half. He noticed that the VA Tech DBs were blanketing his WR's. No separation whatsoever. So in the second half they threw to their TE's over and over again. Completely dominated the second half - made it look easy.

He's being doing this all year. He instilled a winning culture at a place didn't didn't know what the word winning meant. He motivates, he teaches, he manages, he schemes...he wins.

He would be the perfect man to turn around our currently pathetic franchise.

You are correct in the respect that he is a manager, but there is a difference between managing players that are paid to play and those that are playing to get paid. I am a little reluctant to tout any coach that comes from the college ranks because very seldom do they produce and if they are getting paid the money that Harbaugh is expecting then he better win quickly!!

I am not sold on Harbaugh and wish him success coaching an NFC franchise but I think we are better served letting the dust from this season settle for just a little longer and taking our time with this process, there are some VERY good coaches out there still that are proven at the NFL level.

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 05:56 PM
Yeah, it is. John did not want to play for the team that drafted him, because his DAD did not like the guy. So, he forced a trade or he would have played baseball. A guy who had never played a down in the NFL, forced a trade. That is the epitomy of self interest before team.

Harbaugh has coached at the NFL level, then revived 2 destitute programs and made them contenders. He has a Job and people are pursuing him. He does not have to leave Stanford, these people are recruiting him legitimately with more money. Just because the amount is pretty high (Pete Carroll got about 7 Million to go to SEA last year BTW) you think its all about the money?

You really do not understand Harbaugh more than the little you have read about him. He is a coaches kid, his brother is an excellent NFL head coach, and his brother in law is Tom Crean the HC for IU's basketball team. This is about taking the best situation from multiple options and DEN is not necessarily the best one available right now, despite the homerism here. He is not Forcing anything, he is being actively pursued by many prominent suitors for his services. He is the HOT coaching prospect.

So, stop acting like Elway was anything more than Eli Manning's precursor. Elway acted poorly, but DEN reaped the benefits so people tend to look the other way. Harbaugh is actually being pursued, and pursued by 2 real front offices and the AMATEUR hour that is currently DEN's FO. There were not many people actively pursuing Elways services to be VP of football operations. There are at least 5 players for Harbaugh's services and a bidding war is going on between the serious players.

Again, I'm not really sure Elway's and Harbaugh's situations are the same. If any other team in the NLF had the #1 pick in 1983, besides the Baltimore Colts, then I think Elway has no problem. However as fate would have it, the Baltimore Colts had the #1 pick.

If, for example, the LA Rams had the #1 pick that year instead of the #2 pick then Elway probably would have gone to the LA Rams and Eric Dickerson might have been a Baltimore Colts player from day one of his career.

Taco John
01-06-2011, 05:58 PM
For a second there, I thought you said flight attendants.



I was all for it. :wiggle:

I was thinking the same thing...

Smelvin
01-06-2011, 05:59 PM
Again, I'm not really sure Elway's and Harbaugh's situations are the same. If any other team in the NLF had the #1 pick in 1983, besides the Baltimore Colts, then I think Elway has no problem. However as fate would have it, the Baltimore Colts had the #1 pick.

If, for example, the LA Rams had the #1 pick that year instead of the #2 pick then Elway probably would have gone to the LA Rams and Eric Dickerson might have been a Baltimore Colts player from day one of his career.

You're not quite getting our points here. All we are saying is that like Harbaugh is doing right now, Elway used leverage to his advantage.

bendog
01-06-2011, 05:59 PM
mediator' s problem, aside from being an infant at the time, is that to him putting self before team equals willingly going into an unwinnable situation. Elway didn't owe **** to the balt players as he'd NEVER BEEN ON THE TEAM, nor did he owe Balt anything. He told them he wouldn't play for Frank Kush and they should trade the pick. Irsay was mentally ill (literally bipolar and addicted) and though Elway would fold.

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 06:02 PM
So, throw me some names you think should do better for us?

I think there are a few different coaches that could come in and do very well for the Broncos. I think a guy like Rivera could do well for the Broncos. But there's no doubt that Harbaugh appears to be the best fit for the Broncos situation simply because he is saying the right things about Tebow.

However, I wouldn't mind a HC who has a defensive background due to the Broncos crappy defensive situation.

footstepsfrom#27
01-06-2011, 06:12 PM
7 million is too high for a dude that has never proved anything in the NFL. That is a bizzare amount.
Indeed...it works out to $241,379.31 per college victory on an annual basis, multiplied by the number of years on his next contract, so basically probably close to $1 million per college win.

What a deal eh? Ha!

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 06:15 PM
You're not quite getting our points here. All we are saying is that like Harbaugh is doing right now, Elway used leverage to his advantage.

I get the leverage point just fine. My point is that Elway simply did not want to play for Baltimore. He really had no leverage. His only leverage was to hold out and play baseball if Baltimore did not trade him.

Seriously, there is no similarity. Elway was gonna give up football entirely, rather than play for Baltimore. Can you say the same thing about Harbaugh? Is he gonna walk away from football if he does not get the money?

C'mon dude, these are two very different situations.

24champ
01-06-2011, 06:15 PM
Harbaugh is actually being pursued, and pursued by 2 real front offices and the AMATEUR hour that is currently DEN's FO. .

Those f****ing amateurs!

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footstepsfrom#27
01-06-2011, 06:19 PM
So, throw me some names you think should do better for us?
Urban Meyer or Gary Patterson, if either one were available.

Mediator12
01-06-2011, 06:29 PM
mediator' s problem, aside from being an infant at the time, is that to him putting self before team equals willingly going into an unwinnable situation. Elway didn't owe **** to the balt players as he'd NEVER BEEN ON THE TEAM, nor did he owe Balt anything. He told them he wouldn't play for Frank Kush and they should trade the pick. Irsay was mentally ill (literally bipolar and addicted) and though Elway would fold.

Bendog, that is funny dude.

You enter the draft and you take your chances. You do not get to say all 20+ teams can draft me, but not that A-hole Frank Kush. That is selfish, arrogant, and presumptious. Spin it any way you want, it does not change the fact he dictated terms. He told the NFL to Kiss off, not just BAL. The draft is not a negotiation, its a draft. You want to play in the NFL or you want to play baseball. He had his legit choices. Instead, he thought he was above everyone else and dictated terms of being an NFL player.

John was a great Bronco, a great teammate, and Legendary QB who is easily top 3 of all time at his position. I have no problem with him as a Bronco, he was loyal and loved the fans here. However, as a person and GM, let's just say I am not impressed.

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 06:29 PM
Urban Meyer or Gary Patterson, if either one were available.would be a terrible choice.

baja
01-06-2011, 06:34 PM
Bendog, that is funny dude.

You enter the draft and you take your chances. You do not get to say all 20+ teams can draft me, but not that A-hole Frank Kush. That is selfish, arrogant, and presumptious. Spin it any way you want, it does not change the fact he dictated terms. He told the NFL to Kiss off, not just BAL. The draft is not a negotiation, its a draft. You want to play in the NFL or you want to play baseball. He had his legit choices. Instead, he thought he was above everyone else and dictated terms of being an NFL player.

John was a great Bronco, a great teammate, and Legendary QB who is easily top 3 of all time at his position. I have no problem with him as a Bronco, he was loyal and loved the fans here. However, as a person and GM, let's just say I am not impressed.

You're wrong on this one med.

He was free to chose between baseball and the draft. he was going to chose baseball over a perceived bad situation for him, entirely within is rights. This is not slavery.

Smelvin
01-06-2011, 06:41 PM
The funny thing is he never was really going to play baseball. While competent at baseball, he wasn't a top prospect by any means. His future was in football and everyone knew it.

Mediator12
01-06-2011, 06:43 PM
I get the leverage point just fine. My point is that Elway simply did not want to play for Baltimore. He really had no leverage. His only leverage was to hold out and play baseball if Baltimore did not trade him.

Seriously, there is no similarity. Elway was gonna give up football entirely, rather than play for Baltimore. Can you say the same thing about Harbaugh? Is he gonna walk away from football if he does not get the money?

C'mon dude, these are two very different situations.

They are. I think it is kind of silly really, that is why I got so worked up over it.

However, I think Elway is in over his head already as VP. He has ties to Stanford and Harbaugh that none of these other teams have. Yet, he has been completely non-chalant and aloof in dealing with Harbaugh, while 2 other legit NFL FO's have already interviewed him. Elway was still waiting for him to call him yesterday! In fact, he was not sure whether he had a call into him already or not ;D

Read here:

I did see Jim down there," Elway said. "I did mention to him that I understood everything that was going on and did not want to take a lot of his time with the game that he had to play and the everything that he had to do. But I did mention to him that if he decided that he wanted to jump to the NFL and wanted to go in the NFL direction that the Denver Broncos would be interested. Obviously, he has had great success at Stanford and has done a heck of a job there. It was great for me as an alum to go to an event where Stanford was a darn good football team and go down to the Orange Bowl and experience that and see the guys that I had played with when I was back in college.

"So, I did mention that. I also told Jim that I understand the difference between college and the NFL and it is a different animal. That is really his decision that he needs to make, whether he would like to stay in college. But, we are not going to talk him out of staying in college, because they are two different animals. But, if he is interested in making the jump to the NFL, we would be very interested in talking to him.

Elway said he plans to get in touch with Harbaugh.

I have not, not yet," he said. "We are going to put a call into him and see where he is falling and hopefully we get that done today or tomorrow and find out exactly where he is. Obviously, he just got back from the Orange Bowl. I think they got back yesterday and he had some different things that he had to do, so we do have a call into him, hope to hear back and see what direction he is going to go.

Meanwhile this happens while Elway is still in the interview room being announced:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d7b484/article/stanfords-harbaugh-draws-heavy-interest-from-49ers-dolphins?module=HP_headlines

Harbaugh looks to have a Deal in MIA as Sparano has been let go. Meanwhile, Elway is going to let Jim decide if going the pro route is the right decision ROFL! Day late and a dollar short Mr. VP.

Chris
01-06-2011, 06:47 PM
You could read that differently. Perhaps Elway has more insight into Harbaugh's state of mind than these other teams. A gentler approach perhaps?

Mediator12
01-06-2011, 06:47 PM
You're wrong on this one med.

He was free to chose between baseball and the draft. he was going to chose baseball over a perceived bad situation for him, entirely within is rights. This is not slavery.

Nope, it is not. It's a privilege. Yet, why did he not play baseball? That was his right, not forcing a trade. Was it smart, savy, and worked like a charm for DEN. Absolutely. Still perverted the process and BAL panicked when he called their bluff.

Yet, he is not going to get the Elway treatment as the VP of football operations by the rest of the league. There are a lot of guys who are going to try and beat him this way when they could not when he was playing. These guys are real competitive too and now is their chance.

baja
01-06-2011, 06:52 PM
Nope, it is not. It's a privilege. Yet, why did he not play baseball? That was his right, not forcing a trade. Was it smart, savy, and worked like a charm for DEN. Absolutely. Still perverted the process and BAL panicked when he called their bluff.

Yet, he is not going to get the Elway treatment as the VP of football operations by the rest of the league. <b> There are a lot of guys who are going to try and beat him this way when they could not when he was playing. These guys are real competitive too and now is their chance.

As it should be. I think John is going to do just fine. Time will tell.

McDman
01-06-2011, 06:57 PM
Harbaugh has a deal in place w/ the dolphins, but the dolphins will have to satisfy the rooney rule before Harbaugh can accept.... I don't think there is anyway the broncos will pay him over 7 mil a year like the dolphins are... just a matter of 24hrs before he will be the dolphins coach IMO.

This has been my exact point on why the Rooney rule is a freaking joke.

oubronco
01-06-2011, 07:05 PM
I did see Jim down there," Elway said. "I did mention to him that I understood everything that was going on and did not want to take a lot of his time with the game that he had to play and the everything that he had to do. But I did mention to him that if he decided that he wanted to jump to the NFL and wanted to go in the NFL direction that the Denver Broncos would be interested. Obviously, he has had great success at Stanford and has done a heck of a job there. It was great for me as an alum to go to an event where Stanford was a darn good football team and go down to the Orange Bowl and experience that and see the guys that I had played with when I was back in college.

"So, I did mention that. I also told Jim that I understand the difference between college and the NFL and it is a different animal. That is really his decision that he needs to make, whether he would like to stay in college. But, we are not going to talk him out of staying in college, because they are two different animals. But, if he is interested in making the jump to the NFL, we would be very interested in talking to him.

Elway said he plans to get in touch with Harbaugh.

I have not, not yet," he said. "We are going to put a call into him and see where he is falling and hopefully we get that done today or tomorrow and find out exactly where he is. Obviously, he just got back from the Orange Bowl. I think they got back yesterday and he had some different things that he had to do, so we do have a call into him, hope to hear back and see what direction he is going to go.


Just get it done Mr. Elway :approve:

Circle Orange
01-06-2011, 07:16 PM
I really think it's assinine to pay Harbaugh $7/8m a year when he's never coached a single game in the NFL. It's like paying a rookie $50m guaranteed before he's played a single game in the NFL.

I'd take Fassel before Harbaugh, he's at least proven he can coach in the NFL and he would cost half as much, if not less.

LOL, now the NFL needs a "new coach" salary cap. Ha!

Circle Orange
01-06-2011, 07:21 PM
You could read that differently. Perhaps Elway has more insight into Harbaugh's state of mind than these other teams. A gentler approach perhaps?

Yah, there's no reason to get crazy and panic. Let the other teams act like slobbering fools then snap the dude up. Harbaugh might just be playin ' em all. I bet he already made a decision anyway.

Dagmar
01-06-2011, 07:47 PM
Those *****ing amateurs!

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Calmer than you are.

montrose
01-06-2011, 07:48 PM
Harbaugh is actually being pursued, and pursued by 2 real front offices and the AMATEUR hour that is currently DEN's FO.

Ouch, the person on this board who I respect probably more than any other when it comes to the NFL just deflated my post-Elway conference fuzzy feelings bubble.

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 07:57 PM
They are. I think it is kind of silly really, that is why I got so worked up over it.

However, I think Elway is in over his head already as VP. He has ties to Stanford and Harbaugh that none of these other teams have. Yet, he has been completely non-chalant and aloof in dealing with Harbaugh, while 2 other legit NFL FO's have already interviewed him. Elway was still waiting for him to call him yesterday! In fact, he was not sure whether he had a call into him already or not ;D

Read here:



Meanwhile this happens while Elway is still in the interview room being announced:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d7b484/article/stanfords-harbaugh-draws-heavy-interest-from-49ers-dolphins?module=HP_headlines

Harbaugh looks to have a Deal in MIA as Sparano has been let go. Meanwhile, Elway is going to let Jim decide if going the pro route is the right decision ROFL! Day late and a dollar short Mr. VP.

I have to agree with Elway. And, I have to call you an idiot.

Elway is right, the NFL is a different animal and that is my point as well. If anyone knows this, it's Elway. Why would he do a hard sell to a potential coach who might hate the job? Did you ever think of that?

As I've alluded to before, Harbaugh has put together a fantastic program at Stanford, but that in no way proves he can coach in the NFL. There has been many a great college coach that has gone to the NFL and failed miserably. Elway is just being honest with Harbaugh, he's saying "hey Jim, if your interested in us, we are interested in you, lemme know, the door is open..."

If I was Elway that's what I'd be saying too. I'm not gonna sugar coat the damn job just to entice him away from an already great job. Get real.

baja
01-06-2011, 08:00 PM
I don't know why there aren't more people on board with hiring Dennison.

Circle Orange
01-06-2011, 08:04 PM
I don't know why there aren't more people on board with hiring Dennison.

What about Denny Green as either coach or OC? I hear he's floating out there in the UFL...or whatever that league is he's in.

baja
01-06-2011, 08:06 PM
What about Denny Green as either coach or OC? I hear he's floating out there in the UFL...or whatever that league is he's in.

Ya I see the connection there. They both pee through penises

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 08:12 PM
Why do I take Fassel over Harbaugh, three reasons:

1. Fassel has experience as a HC in the NFL.

2. Fassel has worked with Elway and can work with Tebow

3. FASSELL WANTS THE DAMN JOB AND IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY

Now, you can call me a moron until your blue in the face, but those three reasons along put Fassel ahead of Harbaugh IMHO. Yah, I'd love to have Jim Harbaugh but if he's heart ain't innit, then the NFL will rip him apart.

What I'm seeing right now (in Harbaugh) is a guy who is more interested in a phat paycheck than winning an NFL championship.

Dagmar
01-06-2011, 08:12 PM
What about Denny Green as either coach or OC? I hear he's floating out there in the UFL...or whatever that league is he's in.

Dennisum is wella qualified!!!! :spit:

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maven
01-06-2011, 08:19 PM
This has been my exact point on why the Rooney rule is a freaking joke.

If you break the Rooney rule, it's a fine. Ross has the money to pay and it will not involve draft picks.

baja
01-06-2011, 08:25 PM
Dennisum is wella qualified!!!! :spit:

http://clintonskakun.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/tl-nostalgia_shirt.jpg

You should try an make a football comment instead of running around like a jilted 8th grade girlfriend.

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 08:33 PM
You should try an make a football comment instead of running around like a jilted 8th grade girlfriend.

I kinda like Dags jilted 8th grade humor... good stuff...:sunshine:

Broncojef
01-06-2011, 08:56 PM
I don't know why there aren't more people on board with hiring Dennison.

They'll be onboard when John hires him. I'm willing to bet Dennison is the choice when all is said and done. Solid guy with Bronco ties to the past.

Dagmar
01-06-2011, 08:58 PM
I kinda like Dags jilted 8th grade humor... good stuff...:sunshine:

I am not sure how grade's work. What grade would I be in if I hoped the Raiders beat the Broncos ass?

scorpio
01-06-2011, 09:01 PM
Jay Glazer just said on Twitter that the Dolphins have decided to stick with Sporano.

http://twitter.com/jay_glazer

Dagmar
01-06-2011, 09:03 PM
Jay Glazer just said on Twitter that the Dolphins have decided to stick with Sporano.

http://twitter.com/jay_glazer

Hmmmm. That also puts a fork in the Nolan theory.

Drek and montrose must be having a rough day.

That leaves Stanford, 49ers and Denver for Harbaugh then?

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 09:09 PM
Jay Glazer just said on Twitter that the Dolphins have decided to stick with Sporano.

http://twitter.com/jay_glazer

So...was all this simply to pump up his price?

Taco John
01-06-2011, 09:09 PM
So...was all this simply to pump up his price?

The bubble just popped.

Play2win
01-06-2011, 09:10 PM
Its probably been all just a ploy by H to get Stanford to pay him more money. He even got Luck to feign entering in the draft, until H had the meeting with the Prez.

Hamrob
01-06-2011, 09:13 PM
I'm telling you guys!

JOHN ELWAY is a rock star!!!! He isn't coming back...with out a BANG....BOOOOOM!

He had Harbaugh locked up before this whole circus even began! We still need to intervew Fewell and Studs...to get that requirement taken care of. Then we will visit with Harbaugh...and the deal will be sealed.

Jim Harbaugh will be the next coach of the Denver Broncos!!!!

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 09:15 PM
They'll be onboard when John hires him. I'm willing to bet Dennison is the choice when all is said and done. Solid guy with Bronco ties to the past.

I do not get the Dennison love at all. Every place he coached in Denver was awful. STs were poor when he was that coach, LBs were the same way, then the OL, then the entire offense.

Every unit he left improved, and every unit he took over regressed. No Thanks.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 09:20 PM
I'm telling you guys!

JOHN ELWAY is a rock star!!!! He isn't coming back...with out a BANG....BOOOOOM!

He had Harbaugh locked up before this whole circus even began! We still need to intervew Fewell and Studs...to get that requirement taken care of. Then we will visit with Harbaugh...and the deal will be sealed.

Jim Harbaugh will be the next coach of the Denver Broncos!!!!

Denver definitely is looking like the most likely scenario if he makes the jump. I think the main issue is whether or not he wants to make the jump.

Hamrob
01-06-2011, 09:26 PM
Denver definitely is looking like the most likely scenario if he makes the jump. I think the main issue is whether or not he wants to make the jump.I agree. With Luck staying put...maybe he goes back to see if they can win the nationals championship next year.

baja
01-06-2011, 09:27 PM
I do not get the Dennison love at all. Every place he coached in Denver was awful. STs were poor when he was that coach, LBs were the same way, then the OL, then the entire offense.

Every unit he left improved, and every unit he took over regressed. No Thanks.

His STs were not great but that was early in his coaching career. He did a great job with the O line after Gibbs left. Everyone thought he would be a disaster but he had them playing at a very high level. The fact that he has coached so many different positions in a big plus and he is a good manager. That is what we need right now a smart low key manager who hires talented position coaches and lets them run their area of expertise. We have gone the mastermind, one man show route with the last two coaches time for a new approach.

Jesterhole
01-06-2011, 09:30 PM
I really don't understand the Harbaugh love. He's had a couple of good seasons with the best college player at QB. The media just needs a darling every season, and he won the jackpot...

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 09:34 PM
I really don't understand the Harbaugh love. He's had a couple of good seasons with the best college player at QB. The media just needs a darling every season, and he won the jackpot...

He took a perennial bottom feeder to an elite level in three years. That's some damn fine coaching (and recruiting) no matter how you slice it. Whether or not he can translate that to the NFL is a big question, but what he's done at the college level is absolutely amazing.

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 10:00 PM
I really don't understand the Harbaugh love. He's had a couple of good seasons with the best college player at QB. The media just needs a darling every season, and he won the jackpot...

Turning around two terrible teams with amazing expedience is not easy to do at any level, and not something to be dismissed.

boppool
01-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Never bet against Elway. If he gets a chance to talk to Harbaugh, John can definately lure him in.

Remember, he used to sell cars. :sunshine:

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 10:19 PM
Never bet against Elway. If he gets a chance to talk to Harbaugh, John can definately lure him in.

Remember, he used to sell cars. :sunshine:

On top of that I think a lot of people are missing a key factor in all of this. Harbaugh and Elway are part of the same fraternity of NFL QBs. They played against each other, know each other, and from what I understand are friends (at least casual friends). Harbaugh knows what Elway is all about. All things being equal we have way better cards in this game than the 49ers (and Miami just folded). To me the real competition is Stanford, and whether or not he wants to try and win a National Championship with them.

OrangeSe7en
01-06-2011, 10:26 PM
If Elway thinks he's the right guy, they should be willing to pay him. If theyre not at least going to be competitive salary-wise, they shouldnt even be looking for an interview.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 10:30 PM
If Elway thinks he's the right guy, they should be willing to pay him. If theyre not at least going to be competitive salary-wise, they shouldnt even be looking for an interview.

I'm sure they are going to be willing to pay him. They'd be looking elsewhere if they thought he was too pricey.

strafen
01-06-2011, 10:32 PM
Never bet against Elway. If he gets a chance to talk to Harbaugh, John can definately lure him in.

Remember, he used to sell cars. :sunshine:Haha!!! Too funny! Ha!ROFL!

OrangeSe7en
01-06-2011, 10:35 PM
I'm sure they are going to be willing to pay him. They'd be looking elsewhere if they thought he was too pricey.

Thats kind of how Im thinking except the "sure" part. Earlier today, I was talking about Harbaugh doing his due diligence. Elway did say the Broncos would be interested after all.

I would love for Harbaugh to be the guy. I love his style of football and Im also liking that he'd be on board with Tebow too.

i4jelway7
01-07-2011, 02:47 AM
Harbaugh has a deal in place w/ the dolphins, but the dolphins will have to satisfy the rooney rule before Harbaugh can accept.... I don't think there is anyway the broncos will pay him over 7 mil a year like the dolphins are... just a matter of 24hrs before he will be the dolphins coach IMO.



Well I was wrong about Harbaugh to the dolphins, guess Denver is still in the chase but I can't imagine the Broncos paying the kind of money he is gonna demand... guess we will all see how it plays out in the next week or so, I'm leaning toward him going back to Stanford now that Luck will be back as well

McDman
01-07-2011, 04:32 AM
I just heard on FSN that the Niners and Stanford are in a bidding war and Stanford is willing to make him the highest paid coach in college football.

I see no way he's coming here because:

1. The money
2. We haven't even interviewed him yet
3. The other teams are already negotiating with him.

McDman
01-07-2011, 04:47 AM
I just heard on FSN that the Niners and Stanford are in a bidding war and Stanford is willing to make him the highest paid coach in college football.

I see no way he's coming here because:

1. The money
2. We haven't even interviewed him yet
3. The other teams are already negotiating with him.

cousinal11
01-07-2011, 06:10 AM
I stll thinks he stays at Stanford. Too much uncertainty in the NFL right now. If he can get the money he wants and the QB he wants at Stanford...

TonyR
01-07-2011, 07:34 AM
However, I think Elway is in over his head already as VP. He has ties to Stanford and Harbaugh that none of these other teams have. Yet, he has been completely non-chalant and aloof in dealing with Harbaugh, while 2 other legit NFL FO's have already interviewed him. Elway was still waiting for him to call him yesterday! In fact, he was not sure whether he had a call into him already or not ;D

Meanwhile this happens while Elway is still in the interview room being announced...

Harbaugh looks to have a Deal in MIA as Sparano has been let go. Meanwhile, Elway is going to let Jim decide if going the pro route is the right decision. Day late and a dollar short Mr. VP.

I really do fear that we might have a clusterfug on our hands here. People around the league shaking their head and smirking about Elway running the team. Harbaugh interviewing with Miami and San Fran but not Denver. Mularkey cancelling his interview. I almost wonder if the head coaching candidates are taking the Broncos organization seriously right now. I really hope I'm wrong but the fact that they didn't demote or remove Xanders and bring in a real front office has me really concerned. I'm happy about Elway being involved but I'm not necessarily comfortable with him being in total control of football operations. This could get ugly.

meangene
01-07-2011, 08:01 AM
I really do fear that we might have a clusterfug on our hands here. People around the league shaking their head and smirking about Elway running the team. Harbaugh interviewing with Miami and San Fran but not Denver. Mularkey cancelling his interview. I almost wonder if the head coaching candidates are taking the Broncos organization seriously right now. I really hope I'm wrong but the fact that they didn't demote or remove Xanders and bring in a real front office has me really concerned. I'm happy about Elway being involved but I'm not necessarily involved with him being in total control of football operations. This could get ugly.

I tend to agree. Elway with a personnel guy would have been ok, but not paired with Xanders. Oh well, Fewell is scheduled for Sunday I think. Not my favorite candidate but at least somebody getting interviewed.

Dedhed
01-07-2011, 08:30 AM
They are. I think it is kind of silly really, that is why I got so worked up over it.

However, I think Elway is in over his head already as VP. He has ties to Stanford and Harbaugh that none of these other teams have. Yet, he has been completely non-chalant and aloof in dealing with Harbaugh, while 2 other legit NFL FO's have already interviewed him. Elway was still waiting for him to call him yesterday! In fact, he was not sure whether he had a call into him already or not ;D

Harbaugh looks to have a Deal in MIA as Sparano has been let go. Meanwhile, Elway is going to let Jim decide if going the pro route is the right decision ROFL! Day late and a dollar short Mr. VP.
This all seems a little over the top and emotional. Not a usual objective Med take.

Elway saw Harbaugh in person before anyone interviewed him. You don't have any idea what went on there, what was said between the two, and it seems a little odd that you would say he's been aloof and non-chalant. In addition to speaking with him in person Elway also said "I do have a call in to him" as well.

Not sure what's up, but you seem really touchy on Elway as a member of the FO, and not at all willing to wait and judge him by his actions.

Clearly you were off on the "Sparano out and Harbaugh in at Miami" takes.

Dedhed
01-07-2011, 08:31 AM
I tend to agree. Elway with a personnel guy would have been ok, but not paired with Xanders.

Umm...Xanders was a personnel guy in Atlanta for 14 years.

meangene
01-07-2011, 09:04 AM
Umm...Xanders was a personnel guy in Atlanta for 14 years.

Yeah, just like he was here. Oh, wait, no he wasn't because it was all McD. It's like the waterboy became a real GM.

Mediator12
01-07-2011, 12:20 PM
I have to agree with Elway. And, I have to call you an idiot.

Elway is right, the NFL is a different animal and that is my point as well. If anyone knows this, it's Elway. Why would he do a hard sell to a potential coach who might hate the job? Did you ever think of that?

As I've alluded to before, Harbaugh has put together a fantastic program at Stanford, but that in no way proves he can coach in the NFL. There has been many a great college coach that has gone to the NFL and failed miserably. Elway is just being honest with Harbaugh, he's saying "hey Jim, if your interested in us, we are interested in you, lemme know, the door is open..."

If I was Elway that's what I'd be saying too. I'm not gonna sugar coat the damn job just to entice him away from an already great job. Get real.


Look, you have already lost if you are calling me names. That means you need to justify your argument, you do not. I respect your opinion, I just wish you would respect mine.

As for Elway being right, you are missing the point completely. The NFL is about expediency in the FO. Being Compeletely prepared before its time to do the actual job. The FA period, which includes coaching hires, has the great guys sign on the dotted line hours after the period starts @ midnight because teams have already done the work of contacting the agent and having legit offers ready to go.

The problem with this is that McDaniels was fired a month ago, and Elway was still not the guy until WED officially, several days after the season was over. He is already behind in the planning and execution stages of the coaching search. The FO is not playing the coaching search with any preperation. Elway was not prepared to interview Harbaugh right away, he was going to wait on the guy while 2 other teams not only scheduled but had interviews while Elway was getting introduced at a press conference.

That is not being prepared. As for the hard/soft sell, Elway might be right about that. I am not a hard sell kind of guy, unless I think someone is not getting it ;D He might realize that Jim does want to stay in college, and that is OK. However, losing by never getting your foot in the door while 2 competitors do is not acceptable for the FO. It does not matter if Harbaugh was going to stay or not. It's simply not doing your due diligence as a FO exec. Two other FO's got the interview, you did not when you publically said you wanted to interview him.

Now, Elway says they haved moved on. Great, but was that because you lost interest, Harbaugh lost interest, or you never got in the door? I am afraid for DEN if the last one is true. It is NOT the way to start a new Career, one that you have not had any experience doing at the NFL level. Not one, but 2 candidates have not shown interest in interviewing with DEN after DEN made their names available. I am just not sure if Elway is getting it done right now. This is the FO season. This is their most important time of the year to get their jobs done and in 2 days Elway is already behind IMHO.

Ray Finkle
01-07-2011, 12:24 PM
Look, you have already lost if you are calling me names. That means you need to justify your argument, you do not. I respect your opinion, I just wish you would respect mine.

As for Elway being right, you are missing the point completely. The NFL is about expediency in the FO. Being Compeletely prepared before its time to do the actual job. The FA period, which includes coaching hires, has the great guys sign on the dotted line hours after the period starts @ midnight because teams have already done the work of contacting the agent and having legit offers ready to go.

The problem with this is that McDaniels was fired a month ago, and Elway was still not the guy until WED officially, several days after the season was over. He is already behind in the planning and execution stages of the coaching search. The FO is not playing the coaching search with any preperation. Elway was not prepared to interview Harbaugh right away, he was going to wait on the guy while 2 other teams not only scheduled but had interviews while Elway was getting introduced at a press conference.

That is not being prepared. As for the hard/soft sell, Elway might be right about that. I am not a hard sell kind of guy, unless I think someone is not getting it ;D He might realize that Jim does want to stay in college, and that is OK. However, losing by never getting your foot in the door while 2 competitors do is not acceptable for the FO. It does not matter if Harbaugh was going to stay or not. It's simply not doing your due diligence as a FO exec. Two other FO's got the interview, you did not when you publically said you wanted to interview him.

Now, Elway says they haved moved on. Great, but was that because you lost interest, Harbaugh lost interest, or you never got in the door? I am afraid for DEN if the last one is true. It is NOT the way to start a new Career, one that you have not had any experience doing at the NFL level. Not one, but 2 candidates have not shown interest in interviewing with DEN after DEN made their names available. I am just not sure if Elway is getting it done right now. This is the FO season. This is their most important time of the year to get their jobs done and in 2 days Elway is already behind IMHO.


it's sad but I believe you're right.

strafen
01-07-2011, 12:28 PM
I really do fear that we might have a clusterfug on our hands here. People around the league shaking their head and smirking about Elway running the team. Harbaugh interviewing with Miami and San Fran but not Denver. Mularkey cancelling his interview. I almost wonder if the head coaching candidates are taking the Broncos organization seriously right now. I really hope I'm wrong but the fact that they didn't demote or remove Xanders and bring in a real front office has me really concerned. I'm happy about Elway being involved but I'm not necessarily comfortable with him being in total control of football operations. This could get ugly.That's irrelevant.
I'm pretty sure it's not Elway the reason.

Rascal
01-07-2011, 12:30 PM
Look, you have already lost if you are calling me names. That means you need to justify your argument, you do not. I respect your opinion, I just wish you would respect mine.

As for Elway being right, you are missing the point completely. The NFL is about expediency in the FO. Being Compeletely prepared before its time to do the actual job. The FA period, which includes coaching hires, has the great guys sign on the dotted line hours after the period starts @ midnight because teams have already done the work of contacting the agent and having legit offers ready to go.

The problem with this is that McDaniels was fired a month ago, and Elway was still not the guy until WED officially, several days after the season was over. He is already behind in the planning and execution stages of the coaching search. The FO is not playing the coaching search with any preperation. Elway was not prepared to interview Harbaugh right away, he was going to wait on the guy while 2 other teams not only scheduled but had interviews while Elway was getting introduced at a press conference.

That is not being prepared. As for the hard/soft sell, Elway might be right about that. I am not a hard sell kind of guy, unless I think someone is not getting it ;D He might realize that Jim does want to stay in college, and that is OK. However, losing by never getting your foot in the door while 2 competitors do is not acceptable for the FO. It does not matter if Harbaugh was going to stay or not. It's simply not doing your due diligence as a FO exec. Two other FO's got the interview, you did not when you publically said you wanted to interview him.

Now, Elway says they haved moved on. Great, but was that because you lost interest, Harbaugh lost interest, or you never got in the door? I am afraid for DEN if the last one is true. It is NOT the way to start a new Career, one that you have not had any experience doing at the NFL level. Not one, but 2 candidates have not shown interest in interviewing with DEN after DEN made their names available. I am just not sure if Elway is getting it done right now. This is the FO season. This is their most important time of the year to get their jobs done and in 2 days Elway is already behind IMHO.

I have no doubt that the delay in getting elway confirmed caused us to miss the harbaugh boat, but I similarly have no doubt that we would have jumped from that boat when the $$ being discussed was north of $5 million.

Mediator12
01-07-2011, 12:30 PM
This all seems a little over the top and emotional. Not a usual objective Med take.

Elway saw Harbaugh in person before anyone interviewed him. You don't have any idea what went on there, what was said between the two, and it seems a little odd that you would say he's been aloof and non-chalant. In addition to speaking with him in person Elway also said "I do have a call in to him" as well.

Not sure what's up, but you seem really touchy on Elway as a member of the FO, and not at all willing to wait and judge him by his actions.

Clearly you were off on the "Sparano out and Harbaugh in at Miami" takes.

Look, I never said Harbaugh was going to MIA, I said it "Looks Like" he is going there. Normally, I would give the guy a chance, except I already am perturbed about how he is handling his job. I have been around a lot of FO NFL personnel here in INDY, and these guys are always prepared ad infinitum.

Elway looks like he is on vacation to me right now. The hiring was too late for him to be prepared to go right out of the gate. And, then he was waiting for people to call him. The key here is waiting. That is NOT how NFL front offices work. You can not sit back, relax, and still get things done as a FO. Yet, that has been the approach so far the last 2 days. Let's take it slow and whomever we want will come to us! This team needs leadership, stability, and solid decision making the next few months as the FO does their job. All I see right now is the opposite. It scares me. It really does and what you see from me right now is part of that panic that this needs to be better and quickly before the right coach is gone and we settle for second best or worse.

strafen
01-07-2011, 12:38 PM
Look, I never said Harbaugh was going to MIA, I said it "Looks Like" he is going there. Normally, I would give the guy a chance, except I already am perturbed about how he is handling his job. I have been around a lot of FO NFL personnel here in INDY, and these guys are always prepared ad infinitum.

Elway looks like he is on vacation to me right now. The hiring was too late for him to be prepared to go right out of the gate. And, then he was waiting for people to call him. The key here is waiting. That is NOT how NFL front offices work. You can not sit back, relax, and still get things done as a FO. Yet, that has been the approach so far the last 2 days. Let's take it slow and whomever we want will come to us! This team needs leadership, stability, and solid decision making the next few months as the FO does their job. All I see right now is the opposite. It scares me. It really does and what you see from me right now is part of that panic that this needs to be better and quickly before the right coach is gone and we settle for second best or worse.

Even before hiring Elway, which I'm sure took some work, the Broncos had already fired McDaniels.
How is it that the Denver wanted to wait until Elway came on board to start their HC search?
It doesn't make sense to me.
Elway wasn't going to do this alone. If anything, the Broncos FO should've had done a little homework before Elway was hired.
To blame elway is ridiculous. In fact, I don't think we've seen the final result yet.
I think it's a little premature to be bashing Elway.
I'd say coaching candidates MAY be more skeptical to coach Tebow, than work under Elway.

vanbrugh
01-07-2011, 01:09 PM
It cant be an incentive for any prospective coach to see this team throw the ex coach under the bus. The people in power need to take responsibility for their mistakes and everyone should share in the failure! After all we have all had too!

The way it's going and with the lockout coming (Elways words) i can see Stud getting the gig, it's a tough season to implement any kind of change and coaches will know that and be wary because of that. Maybe that's the logic in keeping Xanders and the scouting dept around -we all saw what happened the last time a new coach and philosophy was introduced.

Maybe the Stud can do a job for a year as a caretaker so to speak? and then see what happens?

Let's face it this is a rebuild and has been for the last 2 years and will probably take another 2.

Or maybe after the Rooney interviews and JH is still undecided then we will see more Elway magic once more....

TonyR
01-07-2011, 01:12 PM
That's irrelevant.
I'm pretty sure it's not Elway the reason.

Sure it's relevant. I'm not "blaming" Elway at all. But if coaching candidates don't think the Broncos' FO has its sh*t together they're not going to want to work for the organization. These guys want to coach, not deal with incompetence.

Play2win
01-07-2011, 01:13 PM
Making rash decisions, just because of the immediate gratification environment of today, is going to end in fail. Do your homework and just get it right.

Rohirrim
01-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Sure it's relevant. I'm not "blaming" Elway at all. But if coaching candidates don't think the Broncos' FO has its sh*t together they're not going to want to work for the organization. These guys want to coach, not deal with incompetence.

And then there is a whole tier of guys out there who just want a job.

24champ
01-07-2011, 01:34 PM
I think the Elway Press Conference did more harm than good. Sure it warmed the hearts of Bronco fans to see the Duke back in action, but it also sent a strong message around the league to potential Head Coaches about some important issues. For example, things like talking about the Bronco way and throwing your ex coach under the bus in the process. At the same time, Xanders, Bowlen, Ellis never took any responsibility for what went on. Bowlen went into hiding when McDaniels was fired, and Xanders went around dumping all the bad things on McDaniels.

Back to the presser, some of these coaches want to evaluate what players they can and cannot work with, and yes that includes Tebow. They want to bring in their own ideas and implement them, and not only that, they want time to implement them. The last coach got only 28 games and is still being kicked around by the Broncos. Not good and the Broncos sound like they aren't letting the next incoming HC have much flexibility. It doesn't make the job seem appealing and that's why you got the top 2 guys on the list telling the Broncos no thanks.

At the end of the day, it's probably going to be Studesville. The only candidate that seems fired up about the job.

bowtown
01-07-2011, 01:36 PM
I think the Elway Press Conference did more harm than good. Sure it warmed the hearts of Bronco fans to see the Duke back in action, but it also sent a strong message around the league to potential Head Coaches about some important issues. For example, things like talking about the Bronco way and throwing your ex coach under the bus in the process. While Xanders, Bowlen, Ellis never took any responsibility for what went on. Bowlen went into hiding when McDaniels was fired, and Xanders went around dumping all the bad things on McDaniels.

Some of these coaches want to evaluate what players they can and cannot work with, and yes that includes Tebow. They want to bring in their own ideas and implement them, and not only that, they want time to implement them. The last coach got only 28 games and is still being kicked around by the Broncos. Not good and the Broncos sound like they aren't letting the next incoming HC have much flexibility. It doesn't make the job seem appealing and that's why you got the top 2 guys on the list telling the Broncos no thanks.

At the end of the day, it's probably going to be Studesville. The only candidate that seems fired up about the job.

Has John already had his interveiw with Derrick?

chawknz
01-07-2011, 01:37 PM
He's going to the 49ers with a 5 year contract

24champ
01-07-2011, 01:37 PM
Has John already had his interveiw with Derrick?

Who?

bowtown
01-07-2011, 01:40 PM
Who?

Derrick Studestown

TonyR
01-07-2011, 01:41 PM
I think the Elway Press Conference did more harm than good.

Good post. Sadly I think you might be right. Most coaching candidates probably won't want to work in the shadow of John Elway. Seeing such a visible face of the franchise is place will likely turn off a lot of candidates, not to mention any indication there might be that the front office is incompetent. As much as part of me loves Elway's involvment with the team i really worry that it might not be such a good idea. I think his visible status as the face of the franchise intially looks great from a fan perspective but likely just the opposite for potential coaches and front office people.

jbones733
01-07-2011, 01:41 PM
THIS IS a freakin disaster

Harbaugh the best available went to 9ers, Doplphins, we cant even get an interview, now he is signing with the 9ers.

Mularkey does not even want an interview with us

we will be stuck with stupid Dennison because he is a life long Bronco ?

Broncos are going to be a Disaster for the next 10 years

vanbrugh
01-07-2011, 01:50 PM
Just give the job to wink already!

Mile High Shack
01-07-2011, 01:55 PM
THIS IS a freakin disaster

Harbaugh the best available went to 9ers, Doplphins, we cant even get an interview, now he is signing with the 9ers.

Mularkey does not even want an interview with us

we will be stuck with stupid Dennison because he is a life long Bronco ?

Broncos are going to be a Disaster for the next 10 years

http://www.allaboutbipolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/sky-is-falling.jpg

strafen
01-07-2011, 01:56 PM
THIS IS a freakin disaster

Harbaugh the best available went to 9ers, Doplphins, we cant even get an interview, now he is signing with the 9ers.

Mularkey does not even want an interview with us

we will be stuck with stupid Dennison because he is a life long Bronco ?

Broncos are going to be a Disaster for the next 10 years
Mike Shanahan agrees with you, and says hi!

bendog
01-07-2011, 01:57 PM
There's always Dan Hawkins. He's got I kid, I hear.

Gutless Drunk
01-07-2011, 01:58 PM
"It seems that no candidates are really interested in the Broncos job. What would attract/detract candidates from the Broncos coaching job? How do Elway/Tebow/Denver/#2 pick and the past 2 years factor? Thank you our answer, John_Bronco
Adam Schefter

(2:34 PM)
Adam Schefter
John: The Broncos job is not overly desirable. The team has not been stable. It has traded away a lot of young talent. It has an unproven front office, an unproven quarterback, lots of questions. And that right there should tell you why a job like Cleveland, where there is an established front office, and lots of money, might be more attractive right now."

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/36307/nfl-insider-adam-schefter

TonyR
01-07-2011, 02:00 PM
Adam Schefter
The Broncos job is not overly desirable. The team has not been stable. It has traded away a lot of young talent. It has an unproven front office, an unproven quarterback, lots of questions. And that right there should tell you why a job like Cleveland, where there is an established front office, and lots of money, might be more attractive right now."

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/36307/nfl-insider-adam-schefter

If you don't believe me, believe Schefter!!!

bendog
01-07-2011, 02:00 PM
I guess we should have just kept Josh and avoided this ...... (sarcasm)

Mile High Shack
01-07-2011, 02:01 PM
I guess we should have just kept Josh and avoided this ...... (sarcasm)

yeah, apparently

it's all bull**** really....a team that was basically stable from 1979 - 2008 is so much less desirable than Cleveland

wtf ever

oubronco
01-07-2011, 02:01 PM
I guess we should have just kept Josh and avoided this ...... (sarcasm)

No we should've hired Spagnola in the first place

baja
01-07-2011, 02:08 PM
<b>It cant be an incentive for any prospective coach to see this team throw the ex coach under the bus. The people in power need to take responsibility for their mistakes and everyone should share in the failure! After all we have all had too!</b>

The way it's going and with the lockout coming (Elways words) i can see Stud getting the gig, it's a tough season to implement any kind of change and coaches will know that and be wary because of that. Maybe that's the logic in keeping Xanders and the scouting dept around -we all saw what happened the last time a new coach and philosophy was introduced.

Maybe the Stud can do a job for a year as a caretaker so to speak? and then see what happens?

Let's face it this is a rebuild and has been for the last 2 years and will probably take another 2.

Or maybe after the Rooney interviews and JH is still undecided then we will see more Elway magic once more....

This is the biggest issue I have with all that has transpired since the firing of McD. Firing Josh is not the end of the problems and everyone involved with the NFL knows that is the case so own it and you will start to recover respect at least. The whole Xanders thing is poorly handed. On the one hand if Josh ran over Xanders and made all the decisions without a consensus with him than he is too weak to be an effective GM on the other hand if he is throwing McD under the bus after he is gone and can't defend himself that speaks to Xanders being incompetent and a sleaze ball two qualities you don't want in a (real) GM.

I am not too worried with what Med is concerned about. Elway is going to have his own style and only time will tell if that will work out. He's not a guy you can measure against a formula description of the top FO guy of an NFL team.

bendog
01-07-2011, 02:15 PM
Frazier or Morris, but that's water under the bridge.

I never really liked the Harbaugh idea, unless he was sold on Tebow, which he is not only not sold on, but I think he and Mularky are clearly in the "bust camp." I'm halfway for Fassel with a two year deal. This team is so bad, and in such dissary, it's going to take an entire year to sort out who is salvagable. Nobody knows if Walton or Beadles belong in the NFL, let alone whether Ayers or DThomas can play a season. It's really worse than in 72 because at least Little was still a force. People were mad because what had been promised wasn't delivered, but even though we were a joke of the NFL, we never had seen success and just having a team was actually a victory, because in 67 the Den Broncos were on the ropes of survival.

Fassel worked well with Shanny and Collins, and he didn't pick Boller in Balt. He's not the answer, and he's not a good HC, but he knows what a head coach does, and he can evaluate qbs ... and he'd work for free and drive the golf cart.

I like the defensive coach in NY too, but for different reasons. We're awful on defense. But we should be able to move the second overall pick, and still pick up Dareus and shoot for three or four guys in the second and early third to lend some depth to the oline and front 7. Orton might even bring us a fifth pick in the second-third round. Bring in a QB coach not related to McD, and give tebow two years. If it doesn't work out,we should at least have a defense, and then bring in a new offensive staff and find another qb.

baja
01-07-2011, 02:18 PM
Good post. Sadly I think you might be right. Most coaching candidates probably won't want to work in the shadow of John Elway. Seeing such a visible face of the franchise is place will likely turn off a lot of candidates, not to mention any indication there might be that the front office is incompetent. As much as part of me loves Elway's involvement with the team i really worry that it might not be such a good idea. I think his visible status as the face of the franchise initially looks great from a fan perspective but likely just the opposite for potential coaches and front office people.

Press conference or not this was a given when Elway took the job but it doesn't have to be a death sentence. This is what I have been supporting the manager type head coach. I think this can work with the right guy and good position coaches. The right guy might be some one like the Studesville. It won't be flashy and a ton of people here will be disappointed if that happens but we are clearly getting away from the mastermind head coach model.

vanbrugh
01-07-2011, 02:52 PM
Let's bring Josh back - christ - it's not like Bowlen will remember him in anycase

Smelvin
01-07-2011, 03:01 PM
If Harbaugh is not sold on Tebow, perhaps that should tell us something about Tebow.

One of the reasons the Niners were enamored with Harbaugh is that when he was QB coach of the Raiders he wrote "spot on" draft reports on Tony Romo, Gerrard...and Joey Harrington.

The man knows QB's.

Gutless Drunk
01-07-2011, 03:10 PM
"The value of a running quarterback, somebody who can pick up four or five first downs a game, is huge," said Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, a veteran of 14 NFL seasons and ranked No. 9 (2,787 yards) on the quarterback career rushing list.

"That keeps drives alive and leads to points. That's a huge asset . [Tebow is] a winner. He's got tremendous athletic instincts. I'm sure the Broncos know what they're looking at it in terms of accuracy, decision-making and timing."

However, another quarterback comes to mind when Stanford's Harbaugh watches Tebow.

"I look at Tim Tebow's throwing motion and it doesn't look that much different than Steve Young's, if you put them next to each other," said Harbaugh.

"Steve Young would drop the ball when he threw it. And he's a Hall of Fame quarterback. To me it's more important to be natural than it is to shave a tenth of a second off the time it takes to get rid of the ball."

That said, Harbaugh believes too much has been made of Tebow's passing technique.

"I don't mess with a guy's throwing motion," said Harbaugh, who starred for five teams and led the Indianapolis Colts to the 1995 AFC Championship Game. "It's more mechanics. It's footwork. It's accuracy and decision-making."

Harbaugh said the key to Tebow's exploiting his skills as a running quarterback will be learning when to run. He'll last longer and be more effective if he's patient enough to read as many progressions as possible before high-tailing it.

"Say he only looks at one read and then runs. He can be effective that way," Harbaugh said. "[But] I don't think that's the most effective way to be a quarterback. Ideally, you want to be able to get through three reads and then, if [the open receiver is] not there,"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5236931

Mile High Shack
01-07-2011, 03:15 PM
If Harbaugh is not sold on Tebow, perhaps that should tell us something about Tebow.

One of the reasons the Niners were enamored with Harbaugh is that when he was QB coach of the Raiders he wrote "spot on" draft reports on Tony Romo, Gerrard...and Joey Harrington.

The man knows QB's.

so that means he must love him some Smith's .... no not these Smiths

http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2009/10/Smiths.jpg

THESE
http://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/alex-smith-troy-smith.jpg?w=420

gotcha....:rofl:

Smelvin
01-07-2011, 03:29 PM
Neither of those guys will be Niners next year. JH going to SF had everything to do with geography and the fact that he's in the opposite conference as his brother. There also are connections between Stanford and SF, thanks to Bill Walsh.

I'm not saying Harbaugh is the be-all end-all, and I have no idea what his true feelings are on Tebow, but the man knows QB's and I have not a doubt he'll get a good one in SF relatively soon.

Circle Orange
01-09-2011, 09:01 AM
That's irrelevant.
I'm pretty sure it's not Elway the reason.

Keep in mind there is a contingent out there that wants Elway to fail. Because if he's successful, it will upset the 'status quo' standard of how things are done. Also, he's still peceived by many as a golden boy. Ergo, it feels good to see him fall since overall he's been extremely successful in life. It's funny how all of a sudden pundits everywhere are only going on about Elway, as if he's the only person involved in the process. Now it's being put out there that the Bronco job isn't desirable. By what definition and by whom? More stupid anonymous 'sources?' Or just made up stuff because the stuffed shirts can't stand Elway? The so called controversy about Tebow is NOTHING. Elway didn't say anything his critics didn't already say about Tebow. And the knee jerk reaction to #7 is bordering on silly. Cripes, they haven't even hit the draft board yet. Who's to say Harbaugh will be all that? He has no "experience" at the NFL level either. Media tools.

broncswin
01-09-2011, 09:07 AM
[QUOTE=Circle Orange;3077881]Keep in mind there is a contingent out there that wants Elway to fail.

Kinda sounds like his QB of the future::sunshine:

Garcia Bronco
01-09-2011, 09:37 AM
dude just didn't want to coach in the afc.

zdoor
01-09-2011, 09:42 AM
dude just didn't want to coach in the afc.

I agree.

TonyR
01-09-2011, 09:45 AM
Now it's being put out there that the Bronco job isn't desirable. By what definition and by whom? More stupid anonymous 'sources?' Or just made up stuff because the stuffed shirts can't stand Elway?

I mostly agree with your overall point but do want to point out that Adam Schefter was one of the primary people to report that the Broncos HC job wasn't "overly desirable" and I don't think he hates Elway. Here's his full quote:

The Broncos job is not overly desirable. The team has not been stable. It has traded away a lot of young talent. It has an unproven front office, an unproven quarterback, lots of questions. And that right there should tell you why a job like Cleveland, where there is an established front office, and lots of money, might be more attractive right now.

I'm sure he got this from talking to people around the league so like or not it might actually be a mindset around the league that the Broncos will need to overcome.

On the bright side Schefter also said this:

Josh was making most of the personnel moves. Josh is a great football coach. But other things derailed him from that and took his focus. Brian Xanders assisted in those moves, but I don't know that he was directly responsible for them. Don't blame him. And now, Xanders will be working with Elway while the new head coach -- whoever he is -- coaches the team. It looks like it has the potential to be a more effective structure.

Source for both quotes: http://m.espn.go.com/general/chat/chat?eventId=36307&hcId=3755252&y=1a8mz

TonyR
01-09-2011, 09:46 AM
dude just didn't want to coach in the afc.

I'm not sure where you got such an idea. I don't think this had anything to do with it.

Garcia Bronco
01-09-2011, 09:59 AM
I'm not sure where you got such an idea. I don't think this had anything to do with it.

He didn't want to have to play his brother so much.