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Rulon Velvet Jones
01-06-2011, 12:25 PM
This, according to my favorite Twitter personality - @incarceratedbob

**BREAKING NEWS** Andrew Luck will be keeping his talents at Stanford - He has decided to go back 2 school for the 2011 season

Bob does work around New York and has managed to get the scoop on some very big stories as of late. Most recently, he had the information about the Dolphins preparing to throw a ton of money at Harbaugh in the 11th hour last night.

Take it for what it's worth right now, but he's been right before.

And he knows how to make Pruno, I think.

Gcver2ver3
01-06-2011, 12:26 PM
i hope this is true...

Pony Boy
01-06-2011, 12:27 PM
sol

baja
01-06-2011, 12:28 PM
i hope this is true...

Why all it means is the # 2 pick just became the #1 pick and we get what would have been the #3 guy.

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 12:28 PM
This will put getting patrick peterson at #2 at risk.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-06-2011, 12:28 PM
@MaxBroncos - RT @timkawakami: Wow: Jon Wilner reports that Stanford is about to announce that Andrew Luck will STAY at school for 2011 season.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:28 PM
Watch him plummet down the charts next year just like Locker...

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-06-2011, 12:29 PM
This will put getting patrick peterson at #2 at risk.

Naaaaa...a corner at #1? It puts Carolina in a position to trade down for other needs. Same as Denver.

baja
01-06-2011, 12:29 PM
Probably doesn't want to play for Carolina.

Doggcow
01-06-2011, 12:29 PM
Why all it means is the # 2 pick just became the #1 pick and we get what would have been the #3 guy.

This is why I was worried in my other thread!

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 12:30 PM
No surprise there.

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 12:30 PM
Watch him plummet down the charts next year just like Locker...

he'll still be the #1 next yr.

bronco militia
01-06-2011, 12:31 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2011/01/richardson.jpg

Garcia Bronco
01-06-2011, 12:32 PM
Naaaaa...a corner at #1? It puts Carolina in a position to trade down for other needs. Same as Denver.

People don't want to trade into that one spot.

Gcver2ver3
01-06-2011, 12:32 PM
Why all it means is the # 2 pick just became the #1 pick and we get what would have been the #3 guy.

well picking that high, i believe we get our guy regardless there...

but i hear your point and it makes sense...

but i just don't want the andrew luck situation to even be a feasible opportunity presented... i want tebow and no distractions from tebow...

people talking about us trying to move up to get him or somehow if carolina doesn't select him and #1...i just don't want the distraction...

tebow is to lead us and defense is the focal point...thats what i want...i just want the whole Luck possibility to go away...

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:32 PM
he'll still be the #1 next yr.

That's what people said about Locker.

Doggcow
01-06-2011, 12:33 PM
People don't want to trade into that one spot.

I ****ing wish this was last year, and someone like Suh was on the board :(

Taco John
01-06-2011, 12:33 PM
Why all it means is the # 2 pick just became the #1 pick and we get what would have been the #3 guy.

With Luck out, any one of the top 6 guys is a legitimate #1 overall.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:34 PM
People don't want to trade into that one spot.

Not anymore. Pretty unlikely we'll able to trade down either unfortunately.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:34 PM
I ****ing wish this was last year, and someone like Suh was on the board :(

He'd be the #1 and we wouldn't have a chance at him.

DrFate
01-06-2011, 12:35 PM
This reall makes no (business) sense. Locker lots stock. Snead went from being a prospetive #1 overall to being undrafted.

He can only lose money with this move, Harbaugh is likely to leave anyway, a bunch of senior OLine and skill players - and Stanford loses 3+ games next year

Gcver2ver3
01-06-2011, 12:36 PM
That's what people said about Locker.

and leinart...

DrFate
01-06-2011, 12:36 PM
ESPN reporting it too (I hear it in the other room)

Doggcow
01-06-2011, 12:36 PM
Not anymore. Pretty unlikely we'll able to trade down either unfortunately.

McD was good at trading down. Unfortunately.

strafen
01-06-2011, 12:37 PM
Luck will be the number 1 overall pick next year for sure, as it's been mentioned.

There's only one more thing left, and that is...

With the #2 pick of the 2011 draft, the Denver Broncos select: -------
Fill in the blank! :wiggle:

NFLBRONCO
01-06-2011, 12:37 PM
I bet this hurts Carolina's HC hire as well.

baja
01-06-2011, 12:37 PM
well picking that high, i believe we get our guy regardless there...

but i hear your point and it makes sense...

but i just don't want the andrew luck situation to even be a feasible opportunity presented... i want tebow and no distractions from tebow...

people talking about us trying to move up to get him or somehow if carolina doesn't select him and #1...i just don't want the distraction...

tebow is to lead us and defense is the focal point...thats what i want...i just want the whole Luck possibility to go away...

Well if you listened to the Elway presser yesterday he flat stated Tebow is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos and if a HC candidate didn't want Tebow he would not be hired. Welcome to the Tebow era...

strafen
01-06-2011, 12:37 PM
McD was good at trading down. Unfortunately.

Good at it, but poor selections/results in most cases...

jhns
01-06-2011, 12:38 PM
That's what people said about Locker.

Yup. Now that this has happened a few times with guys losing millions, it amazes me that the projected top pick would stay in school.

strafen
01-06-2011, 12:38 PM
Well if you listened to the Elway presser yesterday he flat stated Tebow is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos and if a HC candidate didn't want Tebow he would not be hired. Welcome to the Tebow era...

This...

~Crash~
01-06-2011, 12:40 PM
the less QB's out there the more Orton is worth . you guys need to lighten up.

baja
01-06-2011, 12:41 PM
With Luck out, any one of the top 6 guys is a legitimate #1 overall.


Peterson will be the #1 and we will miss out on a shut down corner that would have played the position for the next 10 + years. Everyone else is a step down.

Arkie
01-06-2011, 12:41 PM
he'll still be the #1 next yr.

I haven't seen so much confidence in who will be the #1 pick since Reggie Bush.

Homer Simpson
01-06-2011, 12:41 PM
No more retarded threads on him!!! Score!!

~Crash~
01-06-2011, 12:43 PM
Well if you listened to the Elway presser yesterday he flat stated Tebow is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos and if a HC candidate didn't want Tebow he would not be hired. Welcome to the Tebow era...

I am beting this is why madukie might of backed out.

razorwire77
01-06-2011, 12:44 PM
If this is true, and Cam Newton performs well on Monday and at the Combine he is going to fly up draft charts.

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 12:44 PM
no more retarded threads on him!!! Score!!

yes!

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-06-2011, 12:44 PM
Peterson will be the #1 and we will miss out on a shut down corner that would have played the position for the next 10 + years. Everyone else is a step down.

Not even Deion went #1. Hard to take a CB that high.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 12:44 PM
Glad to hear it.

yerner
01-06-2011, 12:47 PM
I'm pretty surprised. That dude shouldn't play football without getting paid. Somebody should tell him a bachelors degree is meaningless.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:47 PM
I am beting this is why madukie might of backed out.

I'm thinking having his name mispronounced over and over is a much more plausible explanation. That or he's too busy.

baja
01-06-2011, 12:47 PM
Not even Deion went #1. Hard to take a CB that high.

Who else warrants the pick at least this guy is as close to a lock blue chip player as you can hope to find.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 12:47 PM
I hope Carolina is going to talk to several players, then make up a contract ahead of time to present to their pick. That would open up a lot of conversation in the media regarding who our pick will be. Maybe we'll get to see some in-depth coverage of our options.

Taco John
01-06-2011, 12:48 PM
Well if you listened to the Elway presser yesterday he flat stated Tebow is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos and if a HC candidate didn't want Tebow he would not be hired. Welcome to the Tebow era...


That's not what I heard, but maybe I missed something.

I heard Elway say that they know Tebow is a good football player, and that what they need to find out is whether or not he can be a good quarterback. As far as I'm concerned, Elway was non-commital on Tebow.

This being said, I believe that Tebow will be our starter in 2011. It only makes sense to give him a year of evaluation while working on the other parts of the team.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:48 PM
I'm pretty surprised. That dude shouldn't play football without getting paid. Somebody should tell him a bachelors degree is meaningless.

Going to the NFL would hardly prevent him from finishing his degree anyway.

DrFate
01-06-2011, 12:49 PM
That's not what I heard, but maybe I missed something.


He did say 'if somebody interviews and doesn't like Tim, maybe he isn't the guy for us' (paraphrasing)

maven
01-06-2011, 12:49 PM
I wouldn't want to be sitting on the #1 pick now. Who is going to trade up?

baja
01-06-2011, 12:49 PM
That's not what I heard, but maybe I missed something.

I heard Elway say that they know Tebow is a good football player, and that what they need to find out is whether or not he can be a good quarterback. As far as I'm concerned, Elway was non-commital on Tebow.

This being said, I believe that Tebow will be our starter in 2011. It only makes sense to give him a year of evaluation while working on the other parts of the team.

You should listen again

Hercules Rockefeller
01-06-2011, 12:49 PM
the less QB's out there the more Orton is worth . you guys need to lighten up.

It also pushes Locker and Gabbert up further.

Half of the Top 10 (Carolina, Buffalo, Arizona, San Fran and Tennessee) need a QB, Minnesota's at #12 and they do too. You've now removed 1 of the top QBs from the equation.

Even if Carolina doesn't go for a QB, Denver sitting one spot ahead of Buffalo is a great place to be picking.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:49 PM
That's not what I heard, but maybe I missed something.

I heard Elway say that they know Tebow is a good football player, and that what they need to find out is whether or not he can be a good quarterback. As far as I'm concerned, Elway was non-commital on Tebow.

This being said, I believe that Tebow will be our starter in 2011. It only makes sense to give him a year of evaluation while working on the other parts of the team.

He said that he didn't believe a coach would say that he didn't want Tebow, and if a guy did that that guy probably wasn't a good fit for the job. Not sure how you missed that...

PRBronco
01-06-2011, 12:50 PM
Peterson will be the #1 and we will miss out on a shut down corner that would have played the position for the next 10 + years. Everyone else is a step down.

...and that will get you diddly poop. Just ask Champ, Asomugha or Revis :S Don't fret too much over a position that has been handcuffed by the new NFL.

Taco John
01-06-2011, 12:50 PM
Peterson will be the #1 and we will miss out on a shut down corner that would have played the position for the next 10 + years. Everyone else is a step down.

I think we would have missed out on him anyway. I don't think a CB is going to be the priority of our front office. Elway's word of the day was "consensus." He commented that if they can't find consensus, then they're probably moving in the wrong direction. There is no way that there is consensus in the front office that a CB is our number one priority, unless that CB is Champ (who as far as I'm concerned is the Broncos current top priority, but only because we have nothing behind him).

listopencil
01-06-2011, 12:50 PM
That's not what I heard, but maybe I missed something.

I heard Elway say that they know Tebow is a good football player, and that what they need to find out is whether or not he can be a good quarterback. As far as I'm concerned, Elway was non-commital on Tebow.

This being said, I believe that Tebow will be our starter in 2011. It only makes sense to give him a year of evaluation while working on the other parts of the team.



I don't remember exactly but I think one of the reporters asked something like,"What if you found a Head Coach but he didn't want Tebow?" and Elway said something like,"Well, then he wouldn't be the right guy to be our Head Coach."

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:51 PM
It also pushes Locker and Gabbert up further.

Half of the Top 10 (Carolina, Buffalo, Arizona, San Fran and Tennessee) need a QB, Minnesota's at #12 and they do too. You've now removed 1 of the top QBs from the equation.

Even if Carolina doesn't go for a QB, Denver sitting one spot ahead of Buffalo is a great place to be picking.

Locker or Gabbert at #2 would be an epic reach, but hey if some team wants to be stupid, who are we to argue?

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 12:51 PM
Who else warrants the pick at least this guy is as close to a lock blue chip player as you can hope to find.

Cam Newton?? Seriously, if he has a great game against Oregon, he might excite enough NFL teams to take him at the #1. The question is will Carolina take him?

Williams
01-06-2011, 12:52 PM
Wow, surprising news. Bummer for Carolina.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 12:53 PM
I think we would have missed out on him anyway. I don't think a CB is going to be the priority of our front office. Elway's word of the day was "consensus." He commented that if they can't find consensus, then they're probably moving in the wrong direction. There is no way that there is consensus in the front office that a CB is our number one priority, unless that CB is Champ (who as far as I'm concerned is the Broncos current top priority, but only because we have nothing behind him).

There could be a consensus if we don't re-sign Champ and they all agree Peterson is the BPA. Not sure why you think that's not possible.

baja
01-06-2011, 12:53 PM
I think we would have missed out on him anyway. I don't think a CB is going to be the priority of our front office. Elway's word of the day was "consensus." He commented that if they can't find consensus, then they're probably moving in the wrong direction. There is no way that there is consensus in the front office that a CB is our number one priority, unless that CB is Champ (who as far as I'm concerned is the Broncos current top priority, but only because we have nothing behind him).


Well my preference has been all along to trade down. Hate that Luck returned to school because that weakens our options to trade down some.

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 12:54 PM
You should listen againyour both right,I think Elway is comitted to giving it his best shot at making Tebow a great QB,but is not comitting to him being the "franchise" for yrs on end. Tebow will have this comming yr to prove it.

jhns
01-06-2011, 12:55 PM
Peterson will be the #1 and we will miss out on a shut down corner that would have played the position for the next 10 + years. Everyone else is a step down.

He could be but draft boards will be very different by the time the senior bowl, combine, and private workouts are all finished. It always changes with these events.

baja
01-06-2011, 12:55 PM
I think we would have missed out on him anyway. I don't think a CB is going to be the priority of our front office. Elway's word of the day was "consensus." He commented that if they can't find consensus, then they're probably moving in the wrong direction. There is no way that there is consensus in the front office that a CB is our number one priority, unless that CB is Champ (who as far as I'm concerned is the Broncos current top priority, but only because we have nothing behind him).

I think they are already thinking about Peterson that is why John talks about Champ in the past tense.

Cito Pelon
01-06-2011, 12:56 PM
As Luck would have it . . . . . .

go_broncos
01-06-2011, 12:56 PM
Great News....

BroncoBen
01-06-2011, 12:57 PM
This would be great news if Luck stays in school, this give the Broncos a year to see what Tebow can do with a year under his belt. If he struggles, then draft a QB next year and have a chance to get Luck then.

maven
01-06-2011, 12:57 PM
He could be but draft boards will be very different by the time the senior bowl, combine, and private workouts are all finished. It always changes with these events.

Yep. It's really too early to predict who goes where.

baja
01-06-2011, 12:58 PM
your both right,I think Elway is committed to giving it his best shot at making Tebow a great QB,but is not comitting to him being the "franchise" for yrs on end. Tebow will have this comming yr to prove it.

Well they are committed to hire a Tebow friendly HC that's a pretty big commitment.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 12:58 PM
I think they are already thinking about Peterson that is why John talks about Champ in the past tense.


I'm trying to remember but it seemed like he did that with Champ and Orton. I didn't get the feeling that he was talking as if they were gone, more of showing respect for players and pointing out their contributions.

~Crash~
01-06-2011, 12:59 PM
It also pushes Locker and Gabbert up further.

Half of the Top 10 (Carolina, Buffalo, Arizona, San Fran and Tennessee) need a QB, Minnesota's at #12 and they do too. You've now removed 1 of the top QBs from the equation.

Even if Carolina doesn't go for a QB, Denver sitting one spot ahead of Buffalo is a great place to be picking.

that is the point . think positive.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 12:59 PM
I'm pretty surprised. That dude shouldn't play football without getting paid. Somebody should tell him a bachelors degree is meaningless.

I tried to tell ya, but you wouldn't listen to me. ;D

Anyway, if a family is well enough off (which his is) you also have to take into account that he will have experiences that could never be duplicated again. That's also important.

Gort
01-06-2011, 01:00 PM
that is the point . think positive.

Orton and MIN would be a good fit.

plus, it would amuse me to no end to see Orton and Vikings beat up on Frown Cannon and the Bears twice a year.

ROFL!

Hercules Rockefeller
01-06-2011, 01:00 PM
Locker or Gabbert at #2 would be an epic reach, but hey if some team wants to be stupid, who are we to argue?

Locker was going Top 5 before this, McShay (who I'm not putting any credance in, just saying), thinks Gabbert is going Top 5.

We'll see if that plays out, but Locker at #2 is not a reach if someone thinks Buffalo is taking him 3rd.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 01:00 PM
Herc is right. Anybody who wants a particular QB is going to want to jump the Bills. Let's cheer on Locker at the Combine. ;D

bowtown
01-06-2011, 01:01 PM
Probably doesn't want to play for Carolina.

Probably doesn't want to not play football for a year.

Beantown Bronco
01-06-2011, 01:01 PM
Anyway, if a family is well enough off (which his is) you also have to take into account that he will have experiences that could never be duplicated again. That's also important.

Just as easy to have threesomes outside of college for these guys......

baja
01-06-2011, 01:01 PM
This would be great news if Luck stays in school, this give the Broncos a year to see what Tebow can do with a year under his belt. If he struggles, then draft a QB next year and have a chance to get Luck then.

Never thought about that good point. Course if we are picking #1 we are not headed in the right direction. ;D

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 01:02 PM
Just as easy to have threesomes outside of college for these guys......

I was thinking of "on field" experiences...

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 01:02 PM
Well they are committed to hire a Tebow friendly HC that's a pretty big commitment.I understand that,but I don't believe Elway is going to give Tebow a 3-4 yr run at trying to be a great/good QB.

Cito Pelon
01-06-2011, 01:02 PM
I don't remember exactly but I think one of the reporters asked something like,"What if you found a Head Coach but he didn't want Tebow?" and Elway said something like,"Well, then he wouldn't be the right guy to be our Head Coach."

True, and one of the few answers Elway gave that he didn't try to obscure.

bronco0608
01-06-2011, 01:03 PM
Daquan Bowers makes the most sense for Carolina.

baja
01-06-2011, 01:04 PM
I'm trying to remember but it seemed like he did that with Champ and Orton. I didn't get the feeling that he was talking as if they were gone, more of showing respect for players and pointing out their contributions.

True you could read it both ways. But Elway has a way of tipping his hand and reading between the lines I got the feeling he was looking to life without Champ. I very easily could be wrong about it though.

maven
01-06-2011, 01:08 PM
Locker was going Top 5 before this, McShay (who I'm not putting any credance in, just saying), thinks Gabbert is going Top 5.

We'll see if that plays out, but Locker at #2 is not a reach if someone thinks Buffalo is taking him 3rd.

Locker going top 5?????? lol

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 01:09 PM
Carolina's biggest needs are at DE and DT. They might not take Peterson.

maven
01-06-2011, 01:10 PM
This would be great news if Luck stays in school, this give the Broncos a year to see what Tebow can do with a year under his belt. If he struggles, then draft a QB next year and have a chance to get Luck then.

Broncos going 1-15 next season?

LRtagger
01-06-2011, 01:12 PM
Locker or Gabbert at #2 would be an epic reach, but hey if some team wants to be stupid, who are we to argue?

Yea, no teams that are set at just about every roster spot would trade into the top 5 to reach on a QB.

Signed,

Mark Sanchez

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 01:13 PM
Probably doesn't want to not play football for a year.

This.

And if there is football next year, it will be with a rookie wage scale. Dude is studying architectural engineering at Stanford. Pretty good insurance just in case the football thing doesn't work out. I can't imagine outside of a catastrophic injury that his draft stock will suffer.

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 01:13 PM
The good news is we have a shot at him next year........

hahaha

TonyR
01-06-2011, 01:13 PM
Orton and MIN would be a good fit.


Tennessee too now that Vince Young is out of the picture.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 01:13 PM
Locker was going Top 5 before this, McShay (who I'm not putting any credance in, just saying), thinks Gabbert is going Top 5.

We'll see if that plays out, but Locker at #2 is not a reach if someone thinks Buffalo is taking him 3rd.

It's a complete reach. If the expert's start harping on Locker as a top 5 pick I will be convinced that they are all completely insane. The guy is far more raw than Tebow was, and they called Tebow a long-term project...

maven
01-06-2011, 01:13 PM
Yea, no teams that are set at just about every roster spot would trade into the top 5 to reach on a QB.

Signed,

Mark Sanchez

Locker has been **** all season.

Gabbert would be an interesting selection, but he needs to ride the pine.

PRBronco
01-06-2011, 01:16 PM
This.

And if there is football next year, it will be with a rookie wage scale. Dude is studying architectural engineering at Stanford. Pretty good insurance just in case the football thing doesn't work out. I can't imagine outside of a catastrophic injury that his draft stock will suffer.

Wtf is architectural engineering? Architects and engineers are like oil and water.

LRtagger
01-06-2011, 01:17 PM
Sanchez should have ridden the pine, too but if you put him in a stable organization with talent everywhere else you can baby him along (ala Sanchez, Ben, Flacco, etc)

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 01:18 PM
Wtf is architectural engineering? Architects and engineers are like oil and water.

Seriously?

yerner
01-06-2011, 01:18 PM
I tried to tell ya, but you wouldn't listen to me. ;D

Anyway, if a family is well enough off (which his is) you also have to take into account that he will have experiences that could never be duplicated again. That's also important.

Yep. You were right. Still, he is just a blown knee away from having to use that silly degree. Pretty silly for 8 months more of college.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 01:21 PM
Wtf is architectural engineering? Architects and engineers are like oil and water.

Its what the TV told me. And the internets.

http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/story/ce31e9d6feaa440997ba2d72d5b02ef9/FBC--T25-Orange_Bowl-Stanford/

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 01:25 PM
Wtf is architectural engineering? Architects and engineers are like oil and water.

They're the guys who tell architects, "Yeah, that's a real beautiful building. And the minute you get it built, it's going to fall down. Asshat."

baja
01-06-2011, 01:25 PM
I understand that,but I don't believe Elway is going to give Tebow a 3-4 yr run at trying to be a great/good QB.

True but this conversation stemmed from a statement that it was good news that Luck was staying in school because it took the temptation to trade up for luck out of the equation ensuring Tebow would get his shot in Denver. My point was we are committed to tebow to the extent that we were not going after Luck so the posters concern was moot.

Bigdawg26
01-06-2011, 01:26 PM
Wtf is architectural engineering? Architects and engineers are like oil and water.

Agreed! My dad is an engineer and he as well as other enigeers at his office can't stand architects!

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 01:26 PM
he'll still be the #1 next yr.

I'll take that bet. If Luck stays, I would launch an investigation into how he got into Stanford, 'cause that just doesn't jive with an intelligent decision.

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 01:30 PM
My ideal draft would be to trade down to 5-6ish and get Marcel Darius. Get another pick in the 2nd round and start building this defense back up.

so lets say we trade back to #5 with Cards and pick up there 38th pick in the 2nd round.

#5-Marcel Darius- Alabama DT/DE
#36- Kyle Rudolph- Notre Dame TE if he falls...If not-
#36b-Jared Crick- Nebraska DE/DT
#38- Jimmy Smith- Colordado CB

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 01:32 PM
My ideal draft would be to trade down to 5-6ish and get Marcel Darius. Get another pick in the 2nd round and start building this defense back up.

so lets say we trade back to #5 with Cards and pick up there 38th pick in the 2nd round.

#5-Marcel Darius- Alabama DT/DE
#36- Kyle Rudolph- Notre Dame TE if he falls...If not-
#36b-Jared Crick- Nebraska DE/DT
#38- Jimmy Smith- Colordado CB

it'll take more than just 1 2nd to drop 3 spots.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 01:32 PM
True but this conversation stemmed from a statement that it was good news that Luck was staying in school because it took the temptation to trade up for luck out of the equation ensuring Tebow would get his shot in Denver. My point was we are committed to tebow to the extent that we were not going after Luck so the posters concern was moot.

I was concerned because Elway was vague about that. I'll try to find the quote but IIRC he said that you have to consider taking a guy like Luck if you have that chance.

BroncoSojia
01-06-2011, 01:33 PM
My ideal draft would be to trade down to 5-6ish and get Marcel Darius. Get another pick in the 2nd round and start building this defense back up.

so lets say we trade back to #5 with Cards and pick up there 38th pick in the 2nd round.

#5-Marcel Darius- Alabama DT/DE
#36- Kyle Rudolph- Notre Dame TE if he falls...If not-
#36b-Jared Crick- Nebraska DE/DT
#38- Jimmy Smith- Colordado CB

Who would the Cards want at #2 that they couldn't get at #5?

txtebow
01-06-2011, 01:33 PM
It's part of John's grand plan: He told Luck to stay in school because the Broncos are liable to be picking @ #1 next year with him as the vice Pres of football ops.......;)

Man-Goblin
01-06-2011, 01:34 PM
They're the guys who tell architects, "Yeah, that's a real beautiful building. And the minute you get it built, it's going to fall down. Asshat."

I didn't study either. Is the asshat part a requirement of their evaluation?

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 01:36 PM
I didn't study either. Is the asshat part a requirement of their evaluation?

Only after they say, "Frank Lloyd Wright did it." Then you can say, "Yeah, and all his buildings are falling apart, asshat." ;D

NYBronc
01-06-2011, 01:37 PM
Agreed! My dad is an engineer and he as well as other enigeers at his office can't stand architects!

Haters gonna hate.... Frank Lloyd Wright was probably the most hated of all. But what a genius....

<IMG SRC="http://www.wright-house.com/frank-lloyd-wright/fallingwater-pictures/fallingwater-1.jpg">

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 01:39 PM
Maybe the architectural design program is in the college of engineering? I don't know.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 01:39 PM
I was concerned because Elway was vague about that. I'll try to find the quote but IIRC he said that you have to consider taking a guy like Luck if you have that chance.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3056740&postcount=1

"That's a big question," Elway said on his radio show. "I'll tell you this: I think Andrew Luck is the best football player in the draft, without a doubt. If that were to happen, then you're going have to have some very serious conversations of exactly which direction you want to go, whether it's with Tim or take a guy like Andrew Luck. To me, barring injury, he's going to be very successful in the NFL."

Chris
01-06-2011, 01:40 PM
Architects can't exist without engineers. A smart person studies both.

Wright famously just drew up the NY Guggenheim designs and had the engineer figure it out... who was the genius there? This coming from a massive FLW fan.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 01:41 PM
Haters gonna hate.... Frank Lloyd Wright was probably the most hated of all. But what a genius....

<IMG SRC="http://www.wright-house.com/frank-lloyd-wright/fallingwater-pictures/fallingwater-1.jpg">

I absolutely love his designs. Greatest architect ever. His buildings require lots of maintenance.

Especially Fallingwater, which just got a complete overhaul.

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 01:42 PM
Who would the Cards want at #2 that they couldn't get at #5?

I have no idea, but who knows, maybe a guy like Gabbert or Cam Newton gets really hot and they are worried that the bills at 3 or bengals at 4 are going to get a guy that they really want.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 01:42 PM
Haters gonna hate.... Frank Lloyd Wright was probably the most hated of all. But what a genius....



Put me in the Hater camp then. His houses were what you'd expect if you handed a box of Legos to a 12 year old. Cool looking, but structurally and ergonomically unsound. The guy was a tool.

Requiem
01-06-2011, 01:43 PM
Good. I see this as a plus for the Broncos either way you slice it.

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 01:45 PM
it'll take more than just 1 2nd to drop 3 spots.

Yeah probably a future 2012 2nd too? Not sure, that's a good 2nd round pick at 38.

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 01:48 PM
There could be a consensus if we don't re-sign Champ and they all agree Peterson is the BPA. Not sure why you think that's not possible.I don't see why that wouldn't be possible even if we do re-sign Champ.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 01:52 PM
I don't see why that wouldn't be possible even if we do re-sign Champ.

If we can't trade down, and he's the only guy worthy of the pick...I say go for it.

Beantown Bronco
01-06-2011, 01:52 PM
Who would the Cards want at #2 that they couldn't get at #5?

I'm going to guess the following:

the guy picked at #2
the guy picked at #3
the guy picked at #4

but, again, I'm just guessing

baja
01-06-2011, 01:55 PM
I was concerned because Elway was vague about that. I'll try to find the quote but IIRC he said that you have to consider taking a guy like Luck if you have that chance.

I might have missed that but one thing is for sure he had a huge Tbonner yesterday in his presser.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 01:56 PM
I might have missed that but one thing is for sure he had a huge Tboner yesterday in his presser.


Yeah. Very true and very obvious.

baja
01-06-2011, 01:56 PM
i'm going to guess the following:

The guy picked at #2
the guy picked at #3
the guy picked at #4

but, again, i'm just guessing

lol

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 01:57 PM
This is quite epic for the guys who were hanging on to that last dim bit of hope that Tebow wouldnt play quarterback for the Denver Broncos for the next 10 years.

outdoor_miner
01-06-2011, 01:58 PM
Never thought about that good point. Course if we are picking #1 we are not headed in the right direction. ;D

I agree it is a good point. It gives Tebow at least a year to see what he's got. And - even if we aren't picking #1, it would push other QBs further down if it is clear that Tebow is not the answer (which I am hopeful is not the case).

baja
01-06-2011, 02:00 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3056740&postcount=1

Ya that changes things - good that Luck is staying put ;D

Pony Boy
01-06-2011, 02:07 PM
Cam Newton will fill the stadium at Carolina...........

PRBronco
01-06-2011, 02:08 PM
Agreed! My dad is an engineer and he as well as other enigeers at his office can't stand architects!

Haha yeah me too, I just got out of that field. Weird. Maybe it's another one of those things people keep tagging "engineering" on to the end of, to sound more impressive, but it's just architecture.

Bronco Yoda
01-06-2011, 02:10 PM
I called it :)

Requiem
01-06-2011, 02:16 PM
Cam Newton will fill the stadium at Carolina...........

The ownership there already seemed content on going with Clausen either way. That team is in desperate need of defensive players all over the board due to injuries and could use more offensive weapons as well. They used two early round selections on LaFell and Edwards as wide receivers, but Edwards did virtually nothing this year, and LaFell was very average. Gettis was their best rookie receiver and he was a sixth round pick.

Steve Smith is getting old, and everyone outside of him sucks on their roster. I could see A.J. Green being a legitimate pick for them.

Charles Johnson had a great year at DE and Greg Hardy (rookie) did well in a rotation and should start next year. Bowers could be a logical "local" selection to help them fill out their stadium, but I don't know about that. Their DT's are also pretty average, so Dareus or Fairley could make sense to them as well.

I doubt Newton is their guy.

broncocalijohn
01-06-2011, 02:16 PM
I called it :)

Only a few have done this and some have got hurt by sticking around (Leinart, Locker) but if the kid loves college, good for him. I am just happy we wont have this debate and can concentrate and argue about Petersen or someone on the DL/LB.

Gcver2ver3
01-06-2011, 02:20 PM
Well if you listened to the Elway presser yesterday he flat stated Tebow is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos and if a HC candidate didn't want Tebow he would not be hired. Welcome to the Tebow era...

true, but i don't count my eggs before they hatch...until i see us not select a QB, only then will i be 100% sure...

with that said, i was 95% positive that Tebow is the guy...but i want to be 100%...

UberBroncoMan
01-06-2011, 02:27 PM
Panther fans are in an epic depression right now.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 02:29 PM
true, but i don't count my eggs before they hatch...until i see us not select a QB, only then will i be 100% sure...

with that said, i was 95% positive that Tebow is the guy...but i want to be 100%...

Its a lock to be Tebow simply because they can build the franchise while the fans enjoy watching the QB bust his butt to win games.

Tebow keeps the fans engaged during a rebuilding period, and thats invaluable.

Kaylore
01-06-2011, 02:34 PM
Didn't read thread. This makes sense since the new CBA will likely have a much, much lower pay structure for rookies in the top fifteen, especially first overall. Luck might as well stay at Stanford and make himself a more polished player for the future. A career move.

This also takes a lot of pressure off the front office. We can just go BPA now and now one can complain.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 02:35 PM
Didn't read thread. This makes sense since the new CBA will likely have a much, much lower pay structure for rookies in the top fifteen, especially first overall. Luck might as well stay at Stanford and make himself a more polished player for the future. A career move.

This also takes a lot of pressure off the front office. We can just go BPA now and now one can complain.

I just hope Locker blows the combine away and becomes a top commodity so that a whole bunch of teams will want to jump the Bills to draft him. ;D

PRBronco
01-06-2011, 02:36 PM
Didn't read thread. This makes sense since the new CBA will likely have a much, much lower pay structure for rookies in the top fifteen, especially first overall. Luck might as well stay at Stanford and make himself a more polished player for the future. A career move.

This also takes a lot of pressure off the front office. We can just go BPA now and no one can complain.

Oh I think you'd be surprised at the Mane's capacity for complaining...;)

cutthemdown
01-06-2011, 02:36 PM
Didn't read thread. This makes sense since the new CBA will likely have a much, much lower pay structure for rookies in the top fifteen, especially first overall. Luck might as well stay at Stanford and make himself a more polished player for the future. A career move.

This also takes a lot of pressure off the front office. We can just go BPA now and now one can complain.

Hmm I sort of disagree. One with the coach of the team leaving it could be hard for him his senior yr. Also the chances of him still being the number 1 pick are slim. Maybe he will be, like manning was, but he could slip, get injured etc etc.

The smart move would have been to take the big money now and start investing.

cutthemdown
01-06-2011, 02:37 PM
Sucks we won't get Peterson now.

Requiem
01-06-2011, 02:38 PM
Sucks we won't get Peterson now.

As I stated earlier, there Panthers would probably consider a few more options ahead of Peterson.

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 02:39 PM
you would think the Panthers would draft Da'Quon Bowers now, they run a 4-3

cousinal11
01-06-2011, 02:40 PM
Hmm I sort of disagree. One with the coach of the team leaving it could be hard for him his senior yr. Also the chances of him still being the number 1 pick are slim. Maybe he will be, like manning was, but he could slip, get injured etc etc.

The smart move would have been to take the big money now and start investing.

I think he's a sophmore.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 02:40 PM
I think the Panther's list will be Green, Fairley and Peterson, in that order.

maven
01-06-2011, 02:42 PM
Panther fans are in an epic depression right now.

Their QB's completely suck. I would be the same if I was a Panthers fan.

cousinal11
01-06-2011, 02:43 PM
Their QB's completely suck. I would be the same if I was a Panthers fan.

Their fans are in epic meltdown mode. Only happy guy around here is one Jimmy Clausen.

Pony Boy
01-06-2011, 02:43 PM
I doubt Newton is their guy.

Good points and right he may not be what they need but Cam Newton would sell jerseys and tickets.... that's NASCAR country a different breed of fans.

Kaylore
01-06-2011, 02:44 PM
Sucks we won't get Peterson now.

The Panthers aren't taking Peterson. They have good corners and have other bigger needs.

Requiem
01-06-2011, 02:45 PM
I think the Panther's list will be Green, Fairley and Peterson, in that order.

That is my feeling too. They need better WR to help out Clausen, their DT's are very average and they could use help in the secondary. Bowers would probably be in the mix as well, but they have some good players at that spot. (Well sort of.)

cousinal11
01-06-2011, 02:46 PM
They will take Newton, Green, Fairley or Bowers. Alot can change between now and then, maybe Locker blows up at the combine, but I don't see them taking Peterson, not from the top slot anyway.

cutthemdown
01-06-2011, 02:47 PM
I think he's a sophmore.

Luck is only a Sophomore?

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 02:48 PM
Luck is only a Sophomore?

redshirt soph.

So he'll probably graduate after this next season.

Beantown Bronco
01-06-2011, 02:49 PM
Luck is only a Sophomore?

Red shirt sophomore, so he's had three years of classes but has 2 more years of football eligibility if he wants.

maven
01-06-2011, 02:49 PM
Luck is only a Sophomore?

redshirt soph

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 02:50 PM
my guess is shanny takes Locker at 11 or where-ever he picks. Seems like a Shanny type pick. I'd guess Carolina Takes Bowers/Green, and we take Peterson, which is a good deal. If we can trade back and load up that would be awesome too.

razorwire77
01-06-2011, 02:52 PM
I gotta imagine that Carolina is going to shop that pick all over the league. Taking Fairley or Bowers at No. 1 overall is a substantial risk, especially from a monetary standpoint.

cousinal11
01-06-2011, 02:52 PM
my guess is shanny takes Locker at 11 or where-ever he picks. Seems like a Shanny type pick. I'd guess Carolina Takes Bowers/Green, and we take Peterson, which is a good deal. If we can trade back and load up that would be awesome too.

Peterson absolutely destroyed my Heels this year, mostly on special teams, he's bad ass, but I just don't know how I feel about taking a DB #2 overall. I want to solidify the trenches.

cousinal11
01-06-2011, 02:53 PM
Wouldn't suprise me if Harbaugh goes back to Stanford now.

bowtown
01-06-2011, 02:56 PM
I gotta imagine that Carolina is going to shop that pick all over the league. Taking Fairley or Bowers at No. 1 overall is a substantial risk, especially from a monetary standpoint.

Except no one has any idea what the monetary standpoint is going to be based on.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 02:56 PM
That is my feeling too. They need better WR to help out Clausen, their DT's are very average and they could use help in the secondary. Bowers would probably be in the mix as well, but they have some good players at that spot. (Well sort of.)

Plus, I think most GMs would be hesitant to use a #1 pick on a CB, or even a DT. WR would make them more comfortable.

Beantown Bronco
01-06-2011, 02:57 PM
Plus, I think most GMs would be hesitant to use a #1 pick on a CB, or even a DT. WR would make them more comfortable.

Where's Matt Millen when you need him.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 02:58 PM
my guess is shanny takes Locker at 11 or where-ever he picks. Seems like a Shanny type pick. I'd guess Carolina Takes Bowers/Green, and we take Peterson, which is a good deal. If we can trade back and load up that would be awesome too.

I really hope that Cam and Locker blow everybody away at the combine and we become the beneficiaries of a bidding war, holding the spot right above the Bills. Load up a whole **** load of picks. Maybe even an extra number one for next year that we can use for Luck if Tebow isn't cutting it.

uplink
01-06-2011, 03:00 PM
good, was worried the broncos would trade Tebow and go for Luck

PRBronco
01-06-2011, 03:00 PM
I really hope that Cam and Locker blow everybody away at the combine and we become the beneficiaries of a bidding war, holding the spot right above the Bills. Load up a whole **** load of picks. Maybe even an extra number one for next year that we can use for Luck if Tebow isn't cutting it.

A Cam Newton bidding war! What a preposterous idea!

Signed,
his dad

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:01 PM
A Cam Newton bidding war! What a preposterous idea!

Signed,
his dad

No kidding. I sure as hell wouldn't pick him in the top ten, but somebody might.

Requiem
01-06-2011, 03:03 PM
Newton, Locker, Mallet and Gabbert. Really no shortage of first-round quarterbacks this year, but none of them scream Top 5 player, although Locker would have probably went #1 last year had he came out. We will see though. Someone just trade for Snortin' Kyle Orton.

yerner
01-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Newton, Locker, Mallet and Gabbert. Really no shortage of first-round quarterbacks this year, but none of them scream Top 5 player, although Locker would have probably went #1 last year had he came out. We will see though. Someone just trade for Snortin' Kyle Orton.

Gabbert will work his way in to the top 5. Might be good for Denver.

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Gabbert will work his way in to the top 5. Might be good for Denver.

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2010/02/double-facepalm.jpg

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 03:08 PM
The thought of Cam Newton going in the top 5 seems ridiculous to me at first glance. But then I start thinking of Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell, and there's no question in my mind that Newton is a better prospect coming out of college than either of them. So hmm...

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:10 PM
Newton, Locker, Mallet and Gabbert. Really no shortage of first-round quarterbacks this year, but none of them scream Top 5 player, although Locker would have probably went #1 last year had he came out. We will see though. Someone just trade for Snortin' Kyle Orton.

I only watched one Missouri game this year but I was pretty impressed with Blaine, who managed to blow out CU while suffering from a hip pointer. :(
Maybe some GM will see enough of Big Ben in him to make the jump. He's definitely big, and tough.

baja
01-06-2011, 03:10 PM
The thought of Cam Newton going in the top 5 seems ridiculous to me at first glance. But then I start thinking of Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell, and there's no question in my mind that Newton is a better prospect coming out of college than either of them. So hmm...

As it turns out I'm a better prospect than Jamarcus Russell.

mhgaffney
01-06-2011, 03:10 PM
Well my preference has been all along to trade down. Hate that Luck returned to school because that weakens our options to trade down some.

Have to disagree on this. Luck staying in school means less available QBs in the draft. So there will be greater demand for the ones who remain.

There could be a scramble to trade up. So I think our chances for trading down have improved.

We will see.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 03:14 PM
As it turns out I'm a better prospect than Jamarcus Russell.

Russell looked like quite the QB when he was drafted. He's just a headcase of Ryan Leaf proportions. And Vince Young is almost as crazy. It seems to me that maturity, character, and intelligence really need to be considered more thoroughly with these top prospects, especially QBs.

baja
01-06-2011, 03:18 PM
Well my preference has been all along to trade down. Hate that Luck returned to school because that weakens our options to trade down some.

Have to disagree on this. Luck staying in school means less available QBs in the draft. So there will be greater demand for the ones who remain.

There could be a scramble to trade up. So I think our chances for trading down have improved.

We will see.

Except we are at #2 so we will be a trading partner for only a team that wants to beat out Buffalo and there is not one standout QB with Luck not declaring. Teams will let Buffalo take who ever and deal for the rest all happening long after our pick has come and gone. Say Hi To Peterson

mhgaffney
01-06-2011, 03:19 PM
That's cool. I like the Person pick.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:20 PM
The thought of Cam Newton going in the top 5 seems ridiculous to me at first glance. But then I start thinking of Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell, and there's no question in my mind that Newton is a better prospect coming out of college than either of them. So hmm...

He's a successful college player and Heisman winner whose game could never possibly translate to the NFL. He runs too much. But...he's black. I think its only white guys whose athleticism doesnt translate from college to the pros. I mean look at Tebow. He cant run the ball at all at this level.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:20 PM
What worries me the most now is if there is a bidding war for QBs at the #2 slot, do we have the people in the FO to handle the pressure and make the best decision? I want a cold hearted, ice blooded, river boat gambler with a revolver stuck in each boot making that call...


Xander? :(

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:20 PM
That's cool. I like the Person pick.

I hope we pick a person as well.

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:21 PM
Panther fans are in an epic depression right now.

On Wed their cheap owner with literally no heart says he doesn't even want to talk to Harbaugh, and on Thur Luck tells them he'd rather give up millions than play for their cheap ass team. That's gotta be a bit of Jokeland despair.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 03:22 PM
He's a successful college player and Heisman winner whose game could never possibly translate to the NFL. He runs too much. But...he's black. I think its only white guys whose athleticism doesnt translate from college to the pros. I mean look at Tebow. He cant run the ball at all at this level.

You noticed that too?

OrangenBlueOhio
01-06-2011, 03:23 PM
Wouldn't suprise me if Harbaugh goes back to Stanford now.

I think he stays too. He can get a job in the NFL any year. He goes back with Luck and they have a good year and he'll be just as hot a candidate next year, and he might end up where Luck ends up.

Brian Billick was on the radio today talkin about how he thinks some of the owners who kept thier coach did so because of the uncertain labor atmosphere. If they do well this year, alls good, if not let em go next year.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 03:23 PM
What worries me the most now is if there is a bidding war for QBs at the #2 slot, do we have the people in the FO to handle the pressure and make the best decision? I want a cold hearted, ice blooded, river boat gambler with a revolver stuck in each boot making that call...


Xander? :(

Elway fits that description. He's a complete rook when it comes to the draft though...

yerner
01-06-2011, 03:24 PM
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2010/02/double-facepalm.jpg

I was saying that Gabbert's rise would help the Broncos get better value for a trade, ****brick. But he too is a better prospect that Tebow.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:27 PM
I was saying that Gabbert's rise would help the Broncos get better value for a trade, ****brick. But he too is a better prospect that Tebow.

Tebow's not a prospect, chica.

He's a pro quarterback starting for the Denver Broncos.

Go root for the Raiders if you dont like it. Even though they already seem to be fans of Tebow too, you might find some Broncos haters over there to pat you on the butt to provide you some solace in your Tebow hate.

Requiem
01-06-2011, 03:29 PM
What worries me the most now is if there is a bidding war for QBs at the #2 slot, do we have the people in the FO to handle the pressure and make the best decision? I want a cold hearted, ice blooded, river boat gambler with a revolver stuck in each boot making that call...


Xander? :(

"We have just been informed that the Denver Broncos have traded the #2 overall selection to the Washington Redskins for Santana Moss and five sausage lovers pizzas."

XANDERS 4 LIFE.

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 03:30 PM
You noticed that too?

personally I think Newton looks better than Tebow passing wise, but I think his character is a big issue

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:30 PM
Tebow's not a prospect, chica.

He's a pro quarterback starting for the Denver Broncos.

Go root for the Raiders if you dont like it. Even though they already seem to be fans of Tebow too, you might find some Broncos haters over there to pat you on the butt to provide you some solace in your Tebow hate.

Uh oh. Drama Llama is proslytizing Tebowianity again.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:34 PM
Uh oh. Drama Llama is proslytizing Tebowianity again.

The guy called our starting QB a "prospect", which is utterly insane and shows just how far off the map the guy's thinking is.

If I wouldnt have corrected him, somebody else certainly would have.

It will be good when these guys finally no longer have an excuse to hang around anymore.

Requiem
01-06-2011, 03:38 PM
He was saying Gabbert was a better prospect than Tebow was. Hence, referring to when he came out. GTFO.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 03:40 PM
"We have just been informed that the Denver Broncos have traded the #2 overall selection to the Washington Redskins for Santana Moss and five sausage lovers pizzas."

XANDERS 4 LIFE.

Hah, X4L.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:43 PM
"We have just been informed that the Denver Broncos have traded the #2 overall selection to the Washington Redskins for Santana Moss and five sausage lovers pizzas."

XANDERS 4 LIFE.

I think they would throw in free storage in Shanahan's garage for a year.

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:49 PM
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2010/02/double-facepalm.jpg

I don't know about that. espn has been all over Gabbart. Personally, I think Mallet is the best, but he's not a Matt Stafford type talent. he makes mistakes, gunslinger style. Newton's by far the most talented, but he's a .... crook.

Royalfan19
01-06-2011, 03:49 PM
What an ignorant decision.

Few things in life are guaranteed, to pass up on being the #1 pick in the NFL draft, money aside, in a game where injury can cost you that opportunity going forward, is not just insane, its plain stupid.

The "values and principles" argument is asinine, there's thousands of privileged kids with shiny Ivy degrees each year, most of which think the prestige of their degree actually makes them something. There's only one guy being picked #1 overall in the NFL. Its the educational equivalent of the top Rhodes scholar graduating college and being pursued by every top firm, Harvard Business School, and Yale Law. No wait that's not even enough, literally to be the equivalent of a NFL #1 overall pick, in business, you'd have to be something like one of the founding members of Facebook, in Academics, you'd have to be a coveted hire by Nobel Prize winning scholars.

No, your Stanford degree isn't worth **** compared to the NFL, and if you want to stay in college to win a championship, then thats just wasting time at the second highest level of football when you can go now and compete for one at the highest level. Go to the highest level of competition, work your assto the bone watching film and practicing your mechanics, become the next Peyton Manning etc., and do something worth 100x as much as winning a championship in college - win a Superbowl.

What an ignorant decision, yeah the NFL will be there, so will Stanford.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 03:51 PM
personally I think Newton looks better than Tebow passing wise, but I think his character is a big issue

This is the problem with so many people when it comes to Tebow. What does it matter how he "looks"? The guy blows Newton out of the water as a passer.

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:51 PM
What an ignorant decision.

Few things in life are guaranteed, to pass up on being the #1 pick in the NFL draft, money aside, in a game where injury can cost you that opportunity going forward, is not just insane, and plain stupid.

The "values and principles" argument is asinine, there's thousands of privileged kids with shiny Ivy degrees each year, most of which think the prestige of their degree actually makes them something. There's only one guy being picked #1 overall in the NFL. Its the educational equivalent of the top Rhodes scholar graduating college and turning down a scholarship at Yale law to go over seas.

No, your Stanford degree isn't worth **** compared to the NFL, and if you want to stay in college to win a championship, then thats just wasting time at the second highest level of football when you can go now and compete for one at the highest level. Go to the highest level of competition, work your ass off, become the next Peyton Manning etc., and do something worth 100x as much as winning a championship in college - win a Superbowl.

What an ignorant decision.

I think he just did an Elway/EliManing and told Richardson to ef himself.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:51 PM
What an ignorant decision.

Few things in life are guaranteed, to pass up on being the #1 pick in the NFL draft, money aside, in a game where injury can cost you that opportunity going forward, is not just insane, and plain stupid.

The "values and principles" argument is asinine, there's thousands of privileged kids with shiny Ivy degrees each year, most of which think the prestige of their degree actually makes them something. There's only one guy being picked #1 overall in the NFL. Its the educational equivalent of the top Rhodes scholar graduating college and turning down a scholarship at Yale law to go over seas.

No, your Stanford degree isn't worth **** compared to the NFL, and if you want to stay in college to win a championship, then thats just wasting time at the second highest level of football when you can go now and compete for one at the highest level. Go to the highest level of competition, work your ass off, become the next Peyton Manning etc., and do something worth 100x as much as winning a championship in college - win a Superbowl.

What an ignorant decision.

It is a pretty naive and ignorant decision.

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 03:54 PM
What an ignorant decision.

Few things in life are guaranteed, to pass up on being the #1 pick in the NFL draft, money aside, in a game where injury can cost you that opportunity going forward, is not just insane, and plain stupid.

The "values and principles" argument is asinine, there's thousands of privileged kids with shiny Ivy degrees each year, most of which think the prestige of their degree actually makes them something. There's only one guy being picked #1 overall in the NFL. Its the educational equivalent of the top Rhodes scholar graduating college and being pursued by every top firm, Harvard Business School, and Yale Law. No wait that's not even enough, literally to be the equivalent of a NFL #1 overall pick, in business, you'd have to be something like one of the founding members of Facebook.

No, your Stanford degree isn't worth **** compared to the NFL, and if you want to stay in college to win a championship, then thats just wasting time at the second highest level of football when you can go now and compete for one at the highest level. Go to the highest level of competition, work your ass off, become the next Peyton Manning etc., and do something worth 100x as much as winning a championship in college - win a Superbowl.

What an ignorant decision.

I agree with you pretty much, when you hit the lottery (ie #1 pick overall in the NFL) you are guaranteed (if you are smart, I assume he is) that you will be set for life, as will your children and grand children

don't risk that with a knee injury or jacked up shoulder on a bad hit....take the money man

baja
01-06-2011, 03:59 PM
Uh oh. Drama Llama is proslytizing Tebowianity again.

Tebowianity - LOL LOL ;D

KevinJames
01-06-2011, 03:59 PM
Gotta love this kid's personality and he can play the position so well

this gives us the perfect opportunity IMO, we start Tim Tebow and don't look back and if we are absolutely horrible with him as our starting QB we will be in position to get Luck obviously, but if Tebow improves and shows great signs in his development we will know that too if hes our future or not.

Luck staying whether you like it or not is the best thing that could have happened.

baja
01-06-2011, 04:01 PM
I think he just did an Elway/EliManing and told Richardson to ef himself.

That's what I think too, only thing that makes sense.

gunns
01-06-2011, 04:09 PM
The guy called our starting QB a "prospect", which is utterly insane and shows just how far off the map the guy's thinking is.

If I wouldnt have corrected him, somebody else certainly would have.

It will be good when these guys finally no longer have an excuse to hang around anymore.

It was an incredibly juvenile statement to make and now you try to justify by saying he called our starting QB "a prospect". So the **** what...I sincerely doubt that Tebow is at home wringing out his tissues over some message board participants opinion. But oh you sure are. Remove stick from said butt.

AZorange1
01-06-2011, 04:14 PM
So with Luck out of it, and no chance now for Elway to pull that off, Tebow can relax?:wiggle:

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:16 PM
No one can know for sure if Tebow will be a championship caliber qb. He's not making mult reads with mult routes depending upon the coverage. He's reading whether it's man or zone and what zone. He's making good throws and really bad throws. He's shown enough that Den will pass on Mallet, or whoever is figured the best qb, and see how well the guy develops.

jerad_geiger10
01-06-2011, 04:20 PM
he must not of learned anything from Jake Locker...

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 04:21 PM
It was an incredibly juvenile statement to make and now you try to justify by saying he called our starting QB "a prospect". So the **** what...I sincerely doubt that Tebow is at home wringing out his tissues over some message board participants opinion. But oh you sure are. Remove stick from said butt.

Its like you read stuff, but the brain just doesnt put it together in the right way.

Kind of like a monkey putting together a puzzle...on LSD. Ha!

gunns
01-06-2011, 04:26 PM
Its like you read stuff, but the brain just doesnt put it together in the right way.

Kind of like a monkey putting together a puzzle...on LSD. Ha!

It was so juvenile it didn't take much brain power to put it together or I'm sure to post it like you did.

AZorange1
01-06-2011, 04:32 PM
Maybe two things had a lot to do with Luck's decision to stay at Stanford.
1. He dosen't want to play for Carolina
2. He's pretty convinced that there will be a lockout this year.

(OK, 3 things)
3. He's a complete idiot for passing up that kind of money

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 04:36 PM
Ya know, Luck has the counsel of a former NFL QB; his dad, Oliver Luck. For all we know, his dad told him he needed another year of seasoning at the college level to become a much better QB long term and going to Carolina at this point in time might be detrimental to his career, not to mention, he might not play a down in 2010.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 04:38 PM
It was so juvenile it didn't take much brain power to put it together or I'm sure to post it like you did.

Did you hear that?

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:39 PM
Maybe two things had a lot to do with Luck's decision to stay at Stanford.
1. He dosen't want to play for Carolina
2. He's pretty convinced that there will be a lockout this year.

(OK, 3 things)
3. He's a complete idiot for passing up that kind of money

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SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 04:42 PM
No kidding. I sure as hell wouldn't pick him in the top ten, but somebody might.

Cam is a better prospect then VY and he went 3, so it wouldn't shock me if he moves up into the top 5, bc you know he is going to tear up the combine. Lot's of scouts really like Gabbert, so if he tests well the Bills will be worried about teams jumping them to grab him as well.

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:44 PM
Cam is a better prospect then VY and he went 3, so it wouldn't shock me if he moves up into the top 5, bc you know he is going to tear up the combine. Lot's of scouts really like Gabbert, so if he tests well the Bills will be worried about teams jumping them to grab him as well.

I think Cam goes in the top 5. I hope not to Den, but some team will make that desperate gamble that the guy doesn't wind up indicted for tax evasion over the bribe.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 04:46 PM
Cam is a better prospect then VY and he went 3, so it wouldn't shock me if he moves up into the top 5, bc you know he is going to tear up the combine. Lot's of scouts really like Gabbert, so if he tests well the Bills will be worried about teams jumping them to grab him as well.

I dont think that he's a better prospect than Young. Young had some pretty good passing numbers at UT and he had just come off of arguably the best single game any college football player has ever played. Young also didnt have the questionable character (ironically) going into the NFL.

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 04:49 PM
I dont think that he's a better prospect than Young. Young had some pretty good passing numbers at UT and he had just come off of arguably the best single game any college football player has ever played. Young also didnt have the questionable character (ironically) going into the NFL.

Young scored a 6 or something on his wonderlic test. The guy was as dumb as a box of rocks, he also had a few minjor run-in's during college, obviously not on the same scale as Cam. Also, Cam has a more natural throwing motion and his stats this year are much better then VY's.

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 04:50 PM
I think Cam goes in the top 5. I hope not to Den, but some team will make that desperate gamble that the guy doesn't wind up indicted for tax evasion over the bribe.

Yeah we aren't taking anyone on offense in the first round..Elway may be raw but he ain't that dumb.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 04:51 PM
Young scored a 6 or something on his wonderlic test. The guy was as dumb as a box of rocks, he also had a few minjor run-in's during college, obviously not on the same scale as Cam. Also, Cam has a more natural throwing motion and his stats this year are much better then VY's.

Where has Cam proven that he isnt as dumb as a box of rocks?

Which stats are better than Youngs?

srphoenix
01-06-2011, 04:52 PM
Interesting note:

now that Luck isn't entering the draft, ESPN has Blaine Gabbert listed as their number one QB prospect, with DaQuan Bowers being the number one overall.

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Interesting note:

now that Luck isn't entering the draft, ESPN has Blaine Gabbert listed as their number one QB prospect, with DaQuan Bowers being the number one overall.

Thats good for the Broncos.

If Carolina does not go with a QB, its likely that Denver becomes the trading partner for whoever wants the top QB.

Chris
01-06-2011, 05:00 PM
What is it with Asian kids going to Stanford? I guess it's Cali. I know 3 kids that went to standford for undergrad... all Asian!

bendog
01-06-2011, 05:12 PM
What is it with Asian kids going to Stanford? I guess it's Cali. I know 3 kids that went to standford for undergrad... all Asian!

They're incredibly over achieving. If you have a kid, go to a chain bookstore and browse Princeton Reviews 371 Best Colleges. It give racial compositions of student body, as well as SAT/ACT and GPA scores. One of the best books I ever bought. My kid started looking at it, and her grades went up a half pt.

Pony Boy
01-06-2011, 05:13 PM
What is it with Asian kids going to Stanford? I guess it's Cali. I know 3 kids that went to standford for undergrad... all Asian!

24% of students at Stanford are Asian, and for the Hillis fans thats almost 1 in 4.....

elsid13
01-06-2011, 05:15 PM
Thats good for the Broncos.

If Carolina does not go with a QB, its likely that Denver becomes the trading partner for whoever wants the top QB.


Which is what yerner said.

bendog
01-06-2011, 05:20 PM
Which is what yerner said.

And i agree. I wanted Peterson, but Den can move down, and back up to a spot for Dareus, who i think is the safest Dlman for a 3-4, if they want and still come out with extra draft ammo.

SoDak Bronco
01-06-2011, 05:20 PM
Where has Cam proven that he isnt as dumb as a box of rocks?

Which stats are better than Youngs?

VY stats-2005

Passing-65% 3036 yards, 26 TD's, 10 int
Rushing-1050 yards, 6.8 avg, 12 TD's

Cam's stats-
Passing- 67% 2600 yards, 28 TD's, 6 int
Rushing-1409 yards, 5.8 avg. 20TD's
Plus a receiving TD

Well if you count more TDS, more total yards, (48 TD's vs 36TD's), a better throwing motion, faster, and bigger guy, and as for the wonderlic score, that is historically low score that VY put up so I am guessing anyone with a pulse could do better.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 05:31 PM
I figure there are seven teams in the top twenty that might want to jump over the Bills for a QB: (in draft order) Cards, Titans, Skins, Vikes, Fins, Jags, Raiders.

broncogary
01-06-2011, 05:36 PM
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You'd think that if they're so smart they could get better looking cheerleaders. :wiggle:

Chris
01-06-2011, 05:42 PM
You'd think that if they're so smart they could get better looking cheerleaders. :wiggle:

I like the one on the right. It's ok guys... I'm only 26.

elsid13
01-06-2011, 05:42 PM
And i agree. I wanted Peterson, but Den can move down, and back up to a spot for Dareus, who i think is the safest Dlman for a 3-4, if they want and still come out with extra draft ammo.

Without the potential for Luck, it makes sense for us to move down and get as many picks as possible. Hopefully the draft gets QB crazy and Peterson is down around 6/7

broncocalijohn
01-06-2011, 05:44 PM
24% of students at Stanford are Asian, and for the Hillis fans thats almost 1 in 4.....

Which is about the same % that moreno missed playing. We can play the game too, wonkderlic!

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 06:29 PM
Which is about the same % that moreno missed playing. We can play the game too, wonkderlic!

Moreno was every bit as productive as Hillis for the 2nd half of the season.

AZorange1
01-06-2011, 06:34 PM
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Not enough to change my mind, now if they were all blonds

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 06:36 PM
Not to derail the evolving Hillis debate, but I found a blerb on wikipedia about architectural engineering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architectural_engineering

Also something from Nebraska's website specifically about architectural engineering.

http://engineering.unl.edu/academicunits/architectural-engineering/

I used the googles to find the above.

maven
01-06-2011, 06:59 PM
Lastly, what a stupid decision going back to Stanford. You are guaranteed the #1 overall pick. Just a bad decision.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 07:08 PM
Lastly, what a stupid decision going back to Stanford. You are guaranteed the #1 overall pick. Just a bad decision.

Looming lockout that will only be avoided if a new CBA is reached, with the general consensus that any proposed CBA must contain a rookie wage scale. In the meantime he gets his prestigious degree free of charge, while continuing to hone his pro football skills for another year. I don't see the problem. If this was 2010, I would agree that the right move would be turning pro. The huge money guaranteed to the first pick most likely isn't going to be there. The 2011 NFL season most likely isn't going to be there as well.

oubronco
01-06-2011, 07:10 PM
Ask Locker

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 07:27 PM
Ask Locker

2010 was the last year for the giant rookie payday.

Steve Sewell
01-06-2011, 08:05 PM
Yep. You were right. Still, he is just a blown knee away from having to use that silly degree. Pretty silly for 8 months more of college.

Yeah because ACLs end QB careers. Elway played his entire pro career without an ACL in one knee.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 08:11 PM
Yeah because ACLs end QB careers. Elway played his entire pro career without an ACL in one knee.

And won two Super Bowls with a ****ed up wing.

broncosteven
01-06-2011, 08:22 PM
Moreno was every bit as productive as Hillis for the 2nd half of the season.

Did KM play in the second half of the season?

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 08:35 PM
2010 was the last year for the giant rookie payday.

Last being the operative word. They aren't going to remove the cap again in 2012. All Luck is doing is vastly reducing the chance he goes #1 and taking a year off his earning potential.

I bet it will cost him $15-20M to stay in school. Staying in school to get his degree will hardly be "free of charge".

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 08:35 PM
Did KM play in the second half of the season?

Did Hillis?

Still on the "Matt Ryan not a legitimate QB" bandwagon?

ScottXray
01-06-2011, 08:40 PM
Lastly, what a stupid decision going back to Stanford. You are guaranteed the #1 overall pick. Just a bad decision.

with a rookie salary cap in place there won't be that much difference between a #1 pick this year and a top 10 pick next year.

Of course with Harbaugh going Stanford probably won't go close to undefeated next year, but if Luck is the real deal, he won't be rated on how his team does . Stanford didn't win with Elway there, and so Luck will be evaluated on his OWN play.

can't say that he is making a wrong move here, due to the salary cap.

He gets to finish his degree BEFORE going to the nfl.

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 08:44 PM
with a rookie salary cap in place there won't be that much difference between a #1 pick this year and a top 10 pick next year.


How do you come to that conclusion? It's not going to be a one year rookie cap.

ScottXray
01-06-2011, 08:47 PM
How do you come to that conclusion? It's not going to be a one year rookie cap.

Because the only way anyone gets signed after the draft is if there is a new CBA in place. And any new CBA is going to have a rookie cap. So if there is a new CBA THIS year there will also be a cap, that will apply from then on (not just this year).

rookie cap = no more 60 million guaranteed rookie contracts.

Play2win
01-06-2011, 08:52 PM
What is it with Asian kids going to Stanford? I guess it's Cali. I know 3 kids that went to standford for undergrad... all Asian!

You know where Stanford is, don't you? ;D

Tim
01-06-2011, 08:55 PM
thats a horrible move for Luck, top rated players who go back for another year aren't usually top rated the following year

broncosteven
01-06-2011, 08:55 PM
Did Hillis?

Still on the "Matt Ryan not a legitimate QB" bandwagon?

Not sure what the Ryan thing is about but are you still on the mCd, greatest HC ever bandwagon?

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 08:59 PM
thats a horrible move for Luck, top rated players who go back for another year aren't usually top rated the following year

A disturbing thought for teams with a top pick...

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 09:02 PM
Because the only way anyone gets signed after the draft is if there is a new CBA in place. And any new CBA is going to have a rookie cap. So if there is a new CBA THIS year there will also be a cap, that will apply from then on (not just this year).

rookie cap = no more 60 million guaranteed rookie contracts.

Exactly. There's still going to be a huge difference between what the #1 overall pick gets and what the #10 overall pick gets.

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 09:03 PM
Not sure what the Ryan thing is about but are you still on the mCd, greatest HC ever bandwagon?

Never was on that one. I was just reminding you of your talent eval skills.

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 09:06 PM
A disturbing thought for teams with a top pick...

Not so much. It's a "flavor of the month" world, and the chances you're that flavor in the months leading to the draft are very slim. Even if Luck has a solid year next year, he'll be old news and there will be a new flavor.

He may still go very high, maybe even #1, but it's a guarantee right now.

Hamrob
01-06-2011, 09:10 PM
Andrew Luck is not ready for the NFL. His talent may be there...but, his maturity level is not. He's a kid. Crap...he looks like a junior in High School. Another year in College will serve him well in the long run.

Can you imagine him in Carolina with Steve Smith yelling at him.

Dedhed
01-06-2011, 09:20 PM
Andrew Luck is not ready for the NFL. His talent may be there...but, his maturity level is not. He's a kid. Crap...he looks like a junior in High School. Another year in College will serve him well in the long run.

Can you imagine him in Carolina with Steve Smith yelling at him.

While that may all be true, it's still gonna cost him a ton of dough, and there are no guarantees he'll go to a better situation next year.

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 09:24 PM
Andrew Luck is not ready for the NFL. His talent may be there...but, his maturity level is not. He's a kid. Crap...he looks like a junior in High School. Another year in College will serve him well in the long run.

Can you imagine him in Carolina with Steve Smith yelling at him.he was ready,from seeing interviews as well as what people have said about him he is mature enough. there all kids,even the players you want to see drafted. he probably more mature then the player you want to see drafted 1st.