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bronco militia
01-06-2011, 10:41 AM
Josh McDaniels not interested in Niners
Posted by Mike Florio on January 6, 2011, 1:22 PM EST

With Jim Harbaugh reportedly close to becoming the next head coach of the Dolphins (even though the team currently still has one), the 49ersí first fall-back option reportedly isnít interested.

According to Mike Sando of ESPN.com, McDaniels isnít interested.

Itís a smart move. As we explained in todayís edition of ProFootballTalk Live (Rita Kierson has yet to call), McDanielsí best bet would be to return to the position of offensive coordinator, applying to that job what he learned in his time as a head coach and gleaning as much as he can about how to improve if (when) he becomes a head coach again. Bill Belichick did just that, working for several years as a defensive coordinator after being fired by the Browns after the 1995 season before becoming one of the greatest coaches in history during a decade-plus with the Patriots.

For McDaniels, the Chiefs would be the best fit. But the thinking is that coach Todd Haley remains too insecure to embrace McDaniels.

So where do the Niners go from here? Maybe they should pick up the phone and see what it would take to get the Titans to release Jeff Fisher from the final year of his contract. (More on that later ó and, yes, teams still can essentially ďtradeĒ a head coach.)

bronco militia
01-06-2011, 10:43 AM
Florio Bull **** free link

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/30899/josh-mcdaniels-not-interested-in-49ers

DomCasual
01-06-2011, 10:46 AM
I admire Josh for not wanting to tarnish his reputation by going to the 49ers. :)

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-06-2011, 11:23 AM
Why would he want to go there? There is no probowl qb, wr to trade away.

Ray Finkle
01-06-2011, 11:24 AM
Perhaps Denver can hire him then......

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 11:27 AM
Man, that's gotta hurt. Like getting laughed at by the fat girl at prom when you ask her to dance...

Gort
01-06-2011, 11:57 AM
Why would he want to go there? There is no probowl qb, wr to trade away.

well, he does already have tape on the 49ers, so he's got that going for him.





what?

too soon??

maven
01-06-2011, 12:02 PM
Josh will get another opportunity. Curious to see what he does next.

TheReverend
01-06-2011, 12:08 PM
well, he does already have tape on the 49ers, so he's got that going for him.





what?

too soon??

Too late. Joke's been used many, many times already.

DomCasual
01-06-2011, 12:16 PM
Man, that's gotta hurt. Like getting laughed at by the fat girl at prom when you ask her to dance...

No kidding!

Or, it must feel like Al Davis, every time he goes to hire a new coach.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 12:22 PM
Why would Fisher want to leave the Titans now? VY is gone. ???

Pseudofool
01-06-2011, 12:29 PM
I think most owners would look at the Marshall, Cutler trades as victories. I'm not surprised that McD is getting looked at for another HC gig, neither should anyone else, really.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 12:31 PM
Josh is just waiting for after this weekend, when the Chiefs get their asses kicked, Haley gets fired, and Pioli gives him a call. Like Mighty Mouse to the rescue!

Anybody remember Andy Kaufman doing, "Here I come to save the day?" ;D

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 12:32 PM
Josh is just waiting for after this weekend, when the Chiefs get their asses kicked, Haley gets fired, and Pioli gives him a call. Like Mighty Mouse to the rescue!

you honestly think Haley would get along with him?

baja
01-06-2011, 12:34 PM
I think most owners would look at the Marshall, Cutler trades as victories. I'm not surprised that McD is getting looked at for another HC gig, neither should anyone else, really.

This

and it is smart of Josh to take a break fro the HC spot. Hopefully he now understands he needs much refinement before he can hope to be successful HC.

bronco militia
01-06-2011, 12:36 PM
I think most owners would look at the Marshall, Cutler trades as victories. I'm not surprised that McD is getting looked at for another HC gig, neither should anyone else, really.

I'm stunned by this post

BMarsh615
01-06-2011, 12:43 PM
Ben Hamilton's reaction to Josh turning down 49ers.

Their video department was already filled, maybe FBI???
https://twitter.com/benhamilton50/status/23104354605080576

DrFate
01-06-2011, 12:43 PM
I'm stunned by this post

You shouldn't be - very few people consider the moves made by McDaniels to be 'wise' with the exception of his sect of followers on this board. And that sect is vocal, if nothing else.

One quote I saw:

"San Francisco apparently doesn't have enough elite skill players to trade away for McDaniels' liking"
LOL

Chris
01-06-2011, 12:45 PM
This

and it is smart of Josh to take a break fro the HC spot. Hopefully he now understands he needs much refinement before he can hope to be successful HC.

dude I've been looking at your avatar for two weeks and it just did the eye thing for the first time.

baja
01-06-2011, 12:52 PM
dude I've been looking at your avatar for two weeks and it just did the eye thing for the first time.



LOL I don't think it is big enough to produce the full effect

HooptyHoops
01-06-2011, 12:56 PM
It kinda surprises me that McDaniel turned down the interview....I would think he would be eager to take over another team and prove everybody wrong....I wonder what he is thinking....

jhns
01-06-2011, 12:59 PM
I think most owners would look at the Marshall, Cutler trades as victories. I'm not surprised that McD is getting looked at for another HC gig, neither should anyone else, really.

LOL

McDaniels fans are silly.

Beantown Bronco
01-06-2011, 01:04 PM
It kinda surprises me that McDaniel turned down the interview....I would think he would be eager to take over another team and prove everybody wrong....I wonder what he is thinking....

His options as he sees it:

1. Take head coaching position at a sucky team with sucky talent and likely suck. Get fired after another two years, three max. Resume now has two failed head coaching stints on it and nobody ever looks your way again.

2. Take OC position and talent rich team like Atlanta where your chances of sucking are extremely small. Build up resume again as offensive genius and have your pick of several attractive head coaching jobs in a few years.

Seems pretty clear to me what he's thinking.

strafen
01-06-2011, 01:06 PM
It kinda surprises me that McDaniel turned down the interview....I would think he would be eager to take over another team and prove everybody wrong....I wonder what he is thinking....Prove everybody wrong?
WTH is that supposed to mean?

DrFate
01-06-2011, 01:06 PM
His options as he sees it:

1. Take head coaching position at a sucky team with sucky talent and likely suck. Get fired after another two years, three max. Resume now has two failed head coaching stints on it and nobody ever looks your way again.

2. Take OC position and talent rich team like Atlanta where your chances of sucking are extremely small. Build up resume again as offensive genius and have your pick of several attractive head coaching jobs in a few years.

Seems pretty clear to me what he's thinking.

I don't understand that argument. SanFran was universely picked to win the west, and some people had them as a dark horse Super Bowl team. They just don't have a QB. NOBODY saw them falling off the map, pre season. Do you really feel they are 'sucky', playing in the worst division (maybe ever) in the league?

Beantown Bronco
01-06-2011, 01:17 PM
I don't understand that argument. SanFran was universely picked to win the west, and some people had them as a dark horse Super Bowl team. They just don't have a QB. NOBODY saw them falling off the map, pre season. Do you really feel they are 'sucky', playing in the worst division (maybe ever) in the league?

Well, if you can't win the worst division in the NFL where the division winners went 7-9, and you went against the 2nd worst division in the NFL then yes, you suck.

I don't care what the "pundits" where predicting at the beginning of the season. They're idiots. 99% of them wrote off the Pats after the Cleveland game.

broncocalijohn
01-06-2011, 01:21 PM
I admire Josh for not wanting to tarnish his reputation by going to the 49ers. :)

Or is it the 49ers tarnishing their reputation by going with McDaniels?

Is McDaniels ego in check yet to accept a step back down to OC?

broncocalijohn
01-06-2011, 01:23 PM
Josh is just waiting for after this weekend, when the Chiefs get their asses kicked, Haley gets fired, and Pioli gives him a call. Like Mighty Mouse to the rescue!

Anybody remember Andy Kaufman doing, "Here I come to save the day?" ;D



you honestly think Haley would get along with him?

Im gonna say you really didnt read his post too closely.

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 01:25 PM
Im gonna say you really didnt read his post too closely.

probably

cutthemdown
01-06-2011, 01:31 PM
LOL Josh Mcdaniels is such a hot commodity he can turn down coaching offers? Bizzaroworld.

uplink
01-06-2011, 01:59 PM
Josh may change his mind once he gathers more tape on the Niners

Bronco Yoda
01-06-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm sure Josh's spy's tipped him off to how the 'interview' would be played out.

"So Josh, what do you have to say about spygate2. . . hmmmm?"

http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/700004020038/0402000776-l.jpg

TheProfessor
01-06-2011, 03:05 PM
I think most owners would look at the Marshall, Cutler trades as victories. I'm not surprised that McD is getting looked at for another HC gig, neither should anyone else, really.

See I'm pretty sure that every owner over the age of 30 and not currentely wearing a foam horse head would look at the McDaniels era as nothing but an abject failure... Especially when it comes to the Cutler trade.

baja
01-06-2011, 03:08 PM
See I'm pretty sure that every owner over the age of 30 and not currentely wearing a foam horse head would look at the McDaniels era as nothing but an abject failure... Especially when it comes to the Cutler trade.

See I told ya Cutler was a coach killer...;D

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:12 PM
Trading Lambchop was not necessarily a bad thing for Den, given the diabetis and use of booze. Signing him for ten years would have run around 250 million. Unfortunately, the draft picks are thus far elbusto. McD cut his own throat with the trade though. He thought he was such a good coach that he could make a star out of anybody. He isn't.

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:12 PM
See I told ya Cutler was a coach killer...;D

Lambchop saved Lovie Smith's job this year. That team doesn't win the div with Orton as the qb.

TheProfessor
01-06-2011, 03:17 PM
See I told ya Cutler was a coach killer...;D

If that kid ends up in the superbowl this year I'm going to need extensive professional phyciatric help...



... yes more than I already need.

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:23 PM
If that kid ends up in the superbowl this year I'm going to need extensive professional phyciatric help...



... yes more than I already need.

With McD's drafts, be confident Den would not be in the superbowl if Lambchop were still here.

Los Broncos
01-06-2011, 03:25 PM
To bad, it would of been such a great fit. /sarcasm

TheProfessor
01-06-2011, 03:30 PM
With McD's drafts, be confident Den would not be in the superbowl if Lambchop were still here.

Yeah, I know... We were doomed the second Bowlen hired McD. You would think that by his age he would know better than to give a gun to a monkey.

baja
01-06-2011, 03:32 PM
Lambchop saved Lovie Smith's job this year. That team doesn't win the div with Orton as the qb.

you missed it - he killed josh

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:41 PM
No, Orton and his idiot drafts killed "Josh" aka Tiny

baja
01-06-2011, 03:45 PM
No, Orton and his idiot drafts killed "Josh" aka Tiny

I was meant to be a joke (I have a thread here with a poll asking if Cutler is a coach killer) but whatever dog... I'm not arguing McD stuff any more because he's gone and we are in the Elway era.

Rohirrim
01-06-2011, 03:46 PM
I was meant to be a joke (I have a thread here with a poll asking if Cutler is a coach killer) but whatever dog... I'm not arguing McD stuff any more because he's gone and we are in the Elway era.

What "McD stuff?" It was all a dream... :)

epicSocialism4tw
01-06-2011, 03:49 PM
Thats when you know things are bad in San Fran. You cant even hire a colossal failure.

lostknight
01-06-2011, 04:06 PM
Wow. The Ticket is reporting that he is not interested "because of the structure of the front office".

Just... Wow...

If that's true, I think even the firing wasn't enough of a kick to the head.

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:08 PM
Wow. The Ticket is reporting that he is not interested "because of the structure of the front office".

Just... Wow...

If that's true, I think even the firing wasn't enough of a kick to the head.

No ego there. LOL. how did bowlen not see that coming. lol

peacepipe
01-06-2011, 04:11 PM
Wow. The Ticket is reporting that he is not interested "because of the structure of the front office".

Just... Wow...

If that's true, I think even the firing wasn't enough of a kick to the head.

loses 17 out 22 games and wants to be choosey about where he coaches.

BTW, wasn't it the 49ers that he was supposedly videotaping?

broncos-rock
01-06-2011, 04:20 PM
Vikings Offense-TM-Vikings Jan. 6 - 7:14 pm et

The Vikings will reportedly meet with former Broncos coach Josh McDaniels on Friday to interview for the offensive coordinator position.
Source: Judd Zulgad on Twitter

Well Orton for a 1st rounder sounds good!!!

tsiguy96
01-06-2011, 04:23 PM
say waht you want about mcdaniels, hes not dumb. he knows he needs time before becoming a HC again, and is going to prove his worth at OC position. he will do to vikings offense what wade phillips and ron rivera do to other teams defenses. they will move to top 10 right away.

ayjackson
01-06-2011, 04:26 PM
Well I went through the exercise of aggregating the Cutler and Marshall and draft picks trades and thought I might as well share it. Use it as you please....

Out
Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, 2009 3rd(79), 2010 3rd(114)

In
Kyle Orton, Robert Ayers, Demaryus Thomas, Eric Decker, Tim Tebow, Richard Quinn, Seth Olsen, 2011 2nd(46)

Hopefully the pick we get from Orton and #46 aren't traded too many times this year!

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:29 PM
loses 17 out 22 games and wants to be choosey about where he coaches.

BTW, wasn't it the 49ers that he was supposedly videotaping?

yeah, and talent wise the niners were picked to win their division, which was won at 7 games, but their QB is awful, yet they have the 7th overall pick, which should give them the third overall qb pick in this draft ... but McD disses their front office. Not just stupid but absolutely no class. Guy's digging the hole deeper. LOL

baja
01-06-2011, 04:32 PM
Wow. The Ticket is reporting that he is not interested "because of the structure of the front office".

Just... Wow...

If that's true, I think even the firing wasn't enough of a kick to the head.

This is why I am pushing Dennison. He's a Bronco, he knows Elway, he can thrive in this setup. Screw the outsiders and quit courting them only to further lose face by their rejections.

Consider we got the ball on the 4 yard line and we got to march down the field this is John's challenge.

tsiguy96
01-06-2011, 04:48 PM
yeah, and talent wise the niners were picked to win their division, which was won at 7 games, but their QB is awful, yet they have the 7th overall pick, which should give them the third overall qb pick in this draft ... but McD disses their front office. Not just stupid but absolutely no class. Guy's digging the hole deeper. LOL

no, hes being commended for not taking a job so fast out of the gate when hes not ready, like mangini did.

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Lambchop for Orton the 18 in 09 (Ayers) the 84 (Mike Wallace) and the one in 10 which was the 11th. Den also gave up the 140th that chi used to take JOHNNY KNOX (**** YOU JOSH)

BM for the 43 and 2nd round in 2011.

Den traded the 11 to SF for the 13 and 113. Den Traded the 13 to philly for the 24 (D.Thomas) and the 70 and 87 (Decker). Den traded the 43 from the BM deal and the 70 and it's own 114 for the Tebow pick.

So, we got Orton, Ayers, DThomas, Decker and Tebow plus a two for Lambchop BM the 140 in 09 (KNOX) and the 114 in 10.

--
It may pan out if Ayers and DThomas can stay healthy, but how this arrogant short person can diss the frigging YOrk family .... LOL

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:56 PM
no, hes being commended for not taking a job so fast out of the gate when hes not ready, like mangini did.

right. that's why he dissed their front office. Did you have an auto accident at some time?

baja
01-06-2011, 05:00 PM
right. that's why he dissed their front office. Did you have an auto accident at some time?

He didn't dis anything. If you are offered a job and turn it down are you dissin the person offering the job. Of course not. Dissin the Yorks get real dog. Geez...

tsiguy96
01-06-2011, 05:01 PM
right. that's why he dissed their front office. Did you have an auto accident at some time?

dissed them? how did he possibly do that, by saying he wasnt interested in being a HC at this time? what makes you think it was anything SF did and not just that he doesnt want to be a HC so soon after essentially failing in denver?

baja
01-06-2011, 05:04 PM
right. that's why he dissed their front office. Did you have an auto accident at some time?

I know we are well into Bourbon time but dissed the Yorks???

McDaniels seems to have learned from Eric Manginiís mistake in Cleveland. Jumping into another hazardous head coaching job right after getting fired isnít necessarily the best way to learn your craft, achieve coaching longevity, and maximize a potential second chance.

Itís very rare to get three chances, so you better make the second one count.

bendog
01-06-2011, 05:04 PM
He didn't dis anything. If you are offered a job and turn it down are you dissin the person offering the job. Of course not. Dissin the Yorks get real dog. Geez...

Read something for once baja. He said he didn't want the job because he didn't like their front office situation. THAT AFTER ****ING DEN OVER IN HIS PERSONNEL DECISIONS.

tsiguy96
01-06-2011, 05:07 PM
Read something for once baja. He said he didn't want the job because he didn't like their front office situation. THAT AFTER ****ING DEN OVER IN HIS PERSONNEL DECISIONS.

he "said"?

got it.

baja
01-06-2011, 05:25 PM
Read something for once baja. He said he didn't want the job because he didn't like their front office situation. THAT AFTER ****ING DEN OVER IN HIS PERSONNEL DECISIONS.

I'll be happy to read it - link it. That is what Mularkey said about Denver's FO. are you confused or am I?

Likwid Kerruj
01-06-2011, 05:35 PM
Wow. The Ticket is reporting that he is not interested "because of the structure of the front office".
Just... Wow...

If that's true, I think even the firing wasn't enough of a kick to the head.

LOL

Like anyone is EVER going to let him near the keys to the personnel cabinet again!

Go **** yourself, McDaniels.

wandlc
01-06-2011, 05:55 PM
I find this supposed attempt to talk to McD by niners very doubtful. I live in niner country and the Yorks would have nobody going to the games if this idiot was hired. This has also not been reported here locally. His name has not even come up in the discussion of possible coaches.

frerottenextelway
01-06-2011, 05:59 PM
I find this supposed attempt to talk to McD by niners very doubtful. I live in niner country and the Yorks would have nobody going to the games if this idiot was hired. This has also not been reported here locally. His name has not even come up in the discussion of possible coaches.

Shocking. I wonder where this rumor could've originated from then? It seems out of charactor for the McDaniels' camp to make something up to make him look better.

mustangtoby
01-06-2011, 06:24 PM
Let him go to minny, so Jay can kick his but twice a year (you know Cutler will give it everything he's got!).

montrose
01-06-2011, 06:54 PM
Take this for what it's worth considering the source (me) but I was told by someone I trust in the know that, a week after Josh was canned, he was unsure if he ever wanted to be a Head Coach again. He said he'd be happy running an offense as a coordinator on a defensivly-minded Head Coaches staff. Josh is 100% football and he disliked everything from the public responsiblities, contract negotiations, personality/disciplinary issues, etc. that didn't have to do with the Xs and Os but are demanded upon from the HC.

Obviously that just after his firing so time can change a lot of things, but it could make sense in why he'd turn down a team interested in him as a HC to interview for the OC job on a team with a defensive-minded HC in Minnesota.

broncosteven
01-06-2011, 06:59 PM
His options as he sees it:

1. Take head coaching position at a sucky team with sucky talent and likely suck. Get fired after another two years, three max. Resume now has two failed head coaching stints on it and nobody ever looks your way again.

2. Take OC position and talent rich team like Atlanta where your chances of sucking are extremely small. Build up resume again as offensive genius and have your pick of several attractive head coaching jobs in a few years.

Seems pretty clear to me what he's thinking.

I figured he would convince Fidel Castro that with the Cuban army he could take over the world with a tough, smart an physical army. First he would create an evil axis with China and Iran, then Invade Mexico and South America, once they have fallen he would invade Australia and then invade all the islands to the north west and then invade Japan. Sign a Non aggression pact with Obama, then with China's help invade the Soviets, when Soviets fall then break pact with Obama and invade USA and Europe. Once the US and Europe have fallen he could then stab China in the back and invade the middle east. Create title of Emperor of the World and make Belly lose to him every week in the new JML Football league!

broncosteven
01-06-2011, 07:02 PM
Take this for what it's worth considering the source (me) but I was told by someone I trust in the know that, a week after Josh was canned, he was unsure if he ever wanted to be a Head Coach again. He said he'd be happy running an offense as a coordinator on a defensivly-minded Head Coaches staff. Josh is 100% football and he disliked everything from the public responsiblities, contract negotiations, personality/disciplinary issues, etc. that didn't have to do with the Xs and Os but are demanded upon from the HC.

Obviously that just after his firing so time can change a lot of things, but it could make sense in why he'd turn down a team interested in him as a HC to interview for the OC job on a team with a defensive-minded HC in Minnesota.

Wow, that is kind of sad.

Sad that we hired a guy who didn't know that he didn't want to be an HC and kind of sad that his will was crushed by the experience.

Going back to become an OC would be good for him. I can't see him not getting back on that horse in time once he has enough experience to acutally do the job.

montrose
01-06-2011, 07:27 PM
Wow, that is kind of sad.

Sad that we hired a guy who didn't know that he didn't want to be an HC and kind of sad that his will was crushed by the experience.

Going back to become an OC would be good for him. I can't see him not getting back on that horse in time once he has enough experience to acutally do the job.

The way I took it was that he really wanted to be that top guy but I think after being in that spot he realized he'd rather be in the film room watching tape and in meeting rooms with his QB breaking down coverages than doing a weekly show with Vic and Gary and a daily press conference with the local media.

Now I think a lot of the things he didn't like about being a HC were amplified by the controversy that swirled around his reign. I'd bet if things went smoother, he may not have minded as much.

I'm honestly don't think Josh intended to come in as this "new sheriff in town" accumulate power like Darth Sideous. In fact, I think he wanted to come in with positivity and build on the team that was already here and change the culture along with implementing his system. As we all know it didn't work out that way and the overwhelming blame is on him which is why he isn't here anymore. While no one can feel sorry for Josh because I'm sure he didn't hesitate on taking the power when offered, I personally don't think he came in with the intention of consciously taking over the organization and tearing down what Shanahan had left. I really don't.

I get the feeling that 30 years from now if you got him in an honest one-on-one setting, he'd wish things went much different. I heard from two pretty credible people (and it was later directly reported by Peter King) that he was borderline crushed that he couldn't patch things up from Cutler and work with him. No matter how well or poorly both Cutler and Orton did from there on, it was going to be so hard for him to overcome that situation with the fanbase - and I think he realized it as time went on.

So if you actually put yourself in his shoes, really try to think how he saw these things coming. I think he honestly did his best and very passionately wanted to win here as the HC. He probably sees each incident as an individual incident but the pressure and stress of the mistakes mounting must've made it feel like one giant weight on his back.

It doesn't surprise me that he'd be a wary of immediately jumping back in as a HC, and I think it'd be much wiser of him to step back for a while before giving it another go. Remember, he pulled himself out of consideration in 2007 for the Ravens job and one other job I can't remember (and I believe he was among the favorites for both) because he thought he needed more seasoning - so he's shown the ability to patient in job-seeking before.

I know most fans won't forgive him for what he did here - nor should they have to - but I do think he was better intentioned than some may believe.

broncosteven
01-06-2011, 07:38 PM
The way I took it was that he really wanted to be that top guy but I think after being in that spot he realized he'd rather be in the film room watching tape and in meeting rooms with his QB breaking down coverages than doing a weekly show with Vic and Gary and a daily press conference with the local media.

Now I think a lot of the things he didn't like about being a HC were amplified by the controversy that swirled around his reign. I'd bet if things went smoother, he may not have minded as much.

I'm honestly don't think Josh intended to come in as this "new sheriff in town" accumulate power like Darth Sideous. In fact, I think he wanted to come in with positivity and build on the team that was already here and change the culture along with implementing his system. As we all know it didn't work out that way and the overwhelming blame is on him which is why he isn't here anymore. While no one can feel sorry for Josh because I'm sure he didn't hesitate on taking the power when offered, I personally don't think he came in with the intention of consciously taking over the organization and tearing down what Shanahan had left. I really don't.

I get the feeling that 30 years from now if you got him in an honest one-on-one setting, he'd wish things went much different. I heard from two pretty credible people (and it was later directly reported by Peter King) that he was borderline crushed that he couldn't patch things up from Cutler and work with him. No matter how well or poorly both Cutler and Orton did from there on, it was going to be so hard for him to overcome that situation with the fanbase - and I think he realized it as time went on.

So if you actually put yourself in his shoes, really try to think how he saw these things coming. I think he honestly did his best and very passionately wanted to win here as the HC. He probably sees each incident as an individual incident but the pressure and stress of the mistakes mounting must've made it feel like one giant weight on his back.

It doesn't surprise me that he'd be a wary of immediately jumping back in as a HC, and I think it'd be much wiser of him to step back for a while before giving it another go. Remember, he pulled himself out of consideration in 2007 for the Ravens job and one other job I can't remember (and I believe he was among the favorites for both) because he thought he needed more seasoning - so he's shown the ability to patient in job-seeking before.

I know most fans won't forgive him for what he did here - nor should they have to - but I do think he was better intentioned than some may believe.

Well said, I agree that he knows the passing game and QB's inside and out. He is going to make a good HC in another 4-8 years.

Your right things did snowball and he got caught up in it and didn't know how to get out. A lot of it was on Bowlen, it is almost like Bowlen hired him and let him do his thing and didn't check back in on the guy until he was in over his head and by then there was no easy fix so he almost had to fire him.

mCd is a smart guy he will get back on top soon.

broncosteven
01-06-2011, 07:43 PM
Take this for what it's worth considering the source (me) but I was told by someone I trust in the know that, a week after Josh was canned, he was unsure if he ever wanted to be a Head Coach again. He said he'd be happy running an offense as a coordinator on a defensivly-minded Head Coaches staff. Josh is 100% football and he disliked everything from the public responsiblities, contract negotiations, personality/disciplinary issues, etc. that didn't have to do with the Xs and Os but are demanded upon from the HC.

Obviously that just after his firing so time can change a lot of things, but it could make sense in why he'd turn down a team interested in him as a HC to interview for the OC job on a team with a defensive-minded HC in Minnesota.

This also explains why Josh's dad appeared on the sidelines for his last game. Supporting his son during a tough time.

bendog
01-06-2011, 07:50 PM
McDaniels, 34, is more likely to land as a coordinator than as a head coach this season. Questions about the 49ers' current leadership -- specifically whether the team has a winning mix with third-year president Jed York, first-year general manager Trent Baalke and executive vice president Paraag Marathe -- made the head coaching job there less appealing to McDaniels following a turbulent run with the Broncos, the source said.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/30899/josh-mcdaniels-not-interested-in-49ers

OK he cheats and still loses to them, but he's too good to coach them?

bendog
01-06-2011, 07:51 PM
This also explains why Josh's dad appeared on the sidelines for his last game. Supporting his son during a tough time.

Shoulda grounded him.

ayjackson
01-06-2011, 07:52 PM
Lambchop for Orton the 18 in 09 (Ayers) the 84 (Mike Wallace) and the one in 10 which was the 11th. Den also gave up the 140th that chi used to take JOHNNY KNOX (**** YOU JOSH)

BM for the 43 and 2nd round in 2011.

Den traded the 11 to SF for the 13 and 113. Den Traded the 13 to philly for the 24 (D.Thomas) and the 70 and 87 (Decker). Den traded the 43 from the BM deal and the 70 and it's own 114 for the Tebow pick.

So, we got Orton, Ayers, DThomas, Decker and Tebow plus a two for Lambchop BM the 140 in 09 (KNOX) and the 114 in 10.

--


Basically what I said, but you missed that we packaged 79 with that 84 we got and sent them to Pittsburg for 64 and 132 and took Quinn and Olsen.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 07:53 PM
Take this for what it's worth considering the source (me) but I was told by someone I trust in the know that, a week after Josh was canned, he was unsure if he ever wanted to be a Head Coach again. He said he'd be happy running an offense as a coordinator on a defensivly-minded Head Coaches staff. Josh is 100% football and he disliked everything from the public responsiblities, contract negotiations, personality/disciplinary issues, etc. that didn't have to do with the Xs and Os but are demanded upon from the HC.

Obviously that just after his firing so time can change a lot of things, but it could make sense in why he'd turn down a team interested in him as a HC to interview for the OC job on a team with a defensive-minded HC in Minnesota.

Most people tend to dislike doing those things they are terrible at...

ayjackson
01-06-2011, 07:57 PM
Wow, that is kind of sad.

Sad that we hired a guy who didn't know that he didn't want to be an HC and kind of sad that his will was crushed by the experience.

Going back to become an OC would be good for him. I can't see him not getting back on that horse in time once he has enough experience to acutally do the job.

Sounds like the peter principle. We all have our competancies and incompetancies.

ayjackson
01-06-2011, 07:57 PM
Most people tend to dislike doing those things they are terrible at...

apparently some are ignorant of those things

broncosteven
01-06-2011, 08:01 PM
Sounds like the peter principle. We all have our competancies and incompetancies.

At somepoint before things spiraled out of control he should have had someone he could have turned to that he could confide in and bounce ideas off.

You know, a mentor. Doesn't seem like he had a mentor type experience in his short career.

BroncoBuff
01-06-2011, 08:09 PM
He's in Minnesota tonight ...


http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4959/joshi.png

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-06-2011, 08:59 PM
He's in Minnesota tonight ...


http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4959/joshi.png

Oh! Please! :pray:

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 09:57 PM
He's in Minnesota tonight ...


http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4959/joshi.png

I want Toby Gerhart and a low round pick. Having that guy behind AP is such a waste. He and Moreno would be a great duo.

If we manage to land Harbaugh then that move is a no brainer.

Bronco Yoda
01-06-2011, 10:25 PM
The way I took it was that he really wanted to be that top guy but I think after being in that spot he realized he'd rather be in the film room watching tape and in meeting rooms with his QB breaking down coverages than doing a weekly show with Vic and Gary and a daily press conference with the local media.

Now I think a lot of the things he didn't like about being a HC were amplified by the controversy that swirled around his reign. I'd bet if things went smoother, he may not have minded as much.

I'm honestly don't think Josh intended to come in as this "new sheriff in town" accumulate power like Darth Sideous. In fact, I think he wanted to come in with positivity and build on the team that was already here and change the culture along with implementing his system. As we all know it didn't work out that way and the overwhelming blame is on him which is why he isn't here anymore. While no one can feel sorry for Josh because I'm sure he didn't hesitate on taking the power when offered, I personally don't think he came in with the intention of consciously taking over the organization and tearing down what Shanahan had left. I really don't.

I get the feeling that 30 years from now if you got him in an honest one-on-one setting, he'd wish things went much different. I heard from two pretty credible people (and it was later directly reported by Peter King) that he was borderline crushed that he couldn't patch things up from Cutler and work with him. No matter how well or poorly both Cutler and Orton did from there on, it was going to be so hard for him to overcome that situation with the fanbase - and I think he realized it as time went on.

So if you actually put yourself in his shoes, really try to think how he saw these things coming. I think he honestly did his best and very passionately wanted to win here as the HC. He probably sees each incident as an individual incident but the pressure and stress of the mistakes mounting must've made it feel like one giant weight on his back.

It doesn't surprise me that he'd be a wary of immediately jumping back in as a HC, and I think it'd be much wiser of him to step back for a while before giving it another go. Remember, he pulled himself out of consideration in 2007 for the Ravens job and one other job I can't remember (and I believe he was among the favorites for both) because he thought he needed more seasoning - so he's shown the ability to patient in job-seeking before.

I know most fans won't forgive him for what he did here - nor should they have to - but I do think he was better intentioned than some may believe.

I was told by a secret source that he was too stupid to coach in his own system.

Thanks Josh for wasting our time and wrecking our team.

Hope you enjoy your milliions.

Miss I.
01-06-2011, 10:34 PM
Well said, I agree that he knows the passing game and QB's inside and out. He is going to make a good HC in another 4-8 years.

Your right things did snowball and he got caught up in it and didn't know how to get out. A lot of it was on Bowlen, it is almost like Bowlen hired him and let him do his thing and didn't check back in on the guy until he was in over his head and by then there was no easy fix so he almost had to fire him.

mCd is a smart guy he will get back on top soon.

I agree with this and with Montrose's take. The situation was painful for everyone all around and I think while Josh should shoulder a lot of the blame, I still think some more blame could go to um the others for letting him have so much power with little to balance it. But of course those left behind will continue to lay it on Josh, the guy who was too young and not really ready to be a head coach. He most certainly wanted to try and clearly loves the game, but those with more experience should've known better than to hand it all to him. Well, I hope the Minnesota stuff is true and maybe he will take Kyle there but who knows (and for the record I like Kyle, even if he is not our QBOTF).

Gort
01-07-2011, 05:37 AM
See I'm pretty sure that every owner over the age of 30 and not currentely wearing a foam horse head would look at the McDaniels era as nothing but an abject failure... Especially when it comes to the Cutler trade.

if we hadn't traded Frown Cannon, we wouldn't have Tim Tebow.

i am 100% happy - no, 100% ecstatic - about getting rid of that mopey, double-chinned emo QB.

long live Tim Tebow!

elsid13
01-07-2011, 05:39 AM
Take this for what it's worth considering the source (me) but I was told by someone I trust in the know that, a week after Josh was canned, he was unsure if he ever wanted to be a Head Coach again. He said he'd be happy running an offense as a coordinator on a defensivly-minded Head Coaches staff. Josh is 100% football and he disliked everything from the public responsiblities, contract negotiations, personality/disciplinary issues, etc. that didn't have to do with the Xs and Os but are demanded upon from the HC.

Obviously that just after his firing so time can change a lot of things, but it could make sense in why he'd turn down a team interested in him as a HC to interview for the OC job on a team with a defensive-minded HC in Minnesota.

So basically he couldn't handle everything else that went with the job of being a HC. It always easier being the trusted #2, then the man.

Gort
01-07-2011, 05:41 AM
At somepoint before things spiraled out of control he should have had someone he could have turned to that he could confide in and bounce ideas off.

You know, a mentor. Doesn't seem like he had a mentor type experience in his short career.

rumblings here are there from people around the team seem to suggest that it was McD's personality and paranoia that were his undoing. immature, stubborn, secretive, and unwilling to trust anyone... that's a recipe for alienating everyone you work with. i'm amazed nobody took him aside before his implosion and told him how he was alienating everyone. maybe somebody did and he didn't listen. but i've seen situations like this... nobody wants to be "that guy" who confronts a jerk co-worker (or boss), so the co-worker (or boss) never gets to see how other people view him (or her).

tsiguy96
01-07-2011, 05:50 AM
So basically he couldn't handle everything else that went with the job of being a HC. It always easier being the trusted #2, then the man.

as a guy who hasnt been in the league very long, its not hard to see that he had too much power. not even that his GMing or drafts were shanahan-bad, but i think just the stress and pressure of it all built up in a guy who wasnt ready for it.

elsid13
01-07-2011, 06:04 AM
as a guy who hasnt been in the league very long, its not hard to see that he had too much power. not even that his GMing or drafts were shanahan-bad, but i think just the stress and pressure of it all built up in a guy who wasnt ready for it.

Look I posted when all this **** first started why McDaniels was failing, and got ridiculed because I drew parallel between what he was doing and how every young hotshot Program Manager (PM) usually fails in the business world. McDaniels was the young very successful PM that got promoted, and was so sure of himself that failed to understand that his role had changed. Instead of understanding he had to work with his resource on hand and slowly make changes, he felt he need to make his mark right away by change everything to make it look like progress. Because he was uncomfortable with all the new things he had to do and scared to fail he refuse to delegate and trust those working for him. Thus continue to drive folks he need away and resulting in more problems/challenges.

TonyR
01-07-2011, 07:38 AM
McDaniels, 34, is more likely to land as a coordinator than as a head coach this season. Questions about the 49ers' current leadership -- specifically whether the team has a winning mix with third-year president Jed York, first-year general manager Trent Baalke and executive vice president Paraag Marathe -- made the head coaching job there less appealing to McDaniels following a turbulent run with the Broncos, the source said.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/30899/josh-mcdaniels-not-interested-in-49ers

Wow, if people have questions about the 49ers' current leadership just imaginve the red flags that are waving in your face when you look at Denver's. What a mess.

TonyR
01-07-2011, 07:39 AM
So basically he couldn't handle everything else that went with the job of being a HC.

Well, yes. And not having a competent front office certainly didn't help matters.

Drek
01-07-2011, 08:03 AM
He's in Minnesota tonight ...


http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4959/joshi.png

You changed back already?

That job would be a great fit for McDaniels, especially if they brought Orton.

Fraizer is going to want an offense that lets Peterson pound the ball and doesn't put his defense in bad situations. McDaniels can offer that with Orton at the helm. He'll likely also want someone who can develop Webb into a franchise QB type talent. Again, McDaniels is a great fit for that job.

Their best WR talents are speed guys, great fits for McDaniels' spread offense.

Its really a perfect pairing for Fraizer, for the Vikings, and for McDaniels.

Its just a shame we can't hear Mock's take on his hornheads picking up McDoofusDummyPoopyPants.

Mr.Meanie
01-07-2011, 08:38 AM
So basically he couldn't handle everything else that went with the job of being a HC. It always easier being the trusted #2, then the man.

He was the age of many of our defensive players when he took the job. Not surprising he couldn't handle all of it this early in his career.... I think very few people could.

I believe he's going to have a long career in this league, and will learn from his ups and downs as he goes on. Being a HC at 50 will be worlds different than a HC at 32.

baja
01-07-2011, 08:42 AM
You changed back already?

That job would be a great fit for McDaniels, especially if they brought Orton.

Fraizer is going to want an offense that lets Peterson pound the ball and doesn't put his defense in bad situations. McDaniels can offer that with Orton at the helm. He'll likely also want someone who can develop Webb into a franchise QB type talent. Again, McDaniels is a great fit for that job.

Their best WR talents are speed guys, great fits for McDaniels' spread offense.

Its really a perfect pairing for Fraizer, for the Vikings, and for McDaniels.

<b>Its just a shame we can't hear Mock's take on his hornheads picking up McDoofusDummyPoopyPants.

It would have been epic.

Rohirrim
01-07-2011, 08:42 AM
You changed back already?

That job would be a great fit for McDaniels, especially if they brought Orton.

Fraizer is going to want an offense that lets Peterson pound the ball and doesn't put his defense in bad situations. McDaniels can offer that with Orton at the helm. He'll likely also want someone who can develop Webb into a franchise QB type talent. Again, McDaniels is a great fit for that job.

Their best WR talents are speed guys, great fits for McDaniels' spread offense.

Its really a perfect pairing for Fraizer, for the Vikings, and for McDaniels.

Its just a shame we can't hear Mock's take on his hornheads picking up McDoofusDummyPoopyPants.

Ha! No kidding. Talk about a meltdown.