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vanbrugh
01-06-2011, 03:07 AM
Watching the press conference yesterday it struck me how old Pat has become and how he seems to have become almost a shell of his former great self. It seemed to me that he stumbled through his few words and even seemed to lose his train of thought a couple of times. Heck someone pointed out on here that he seemed to be drooling while giving his speech and i'm not sure that wasn't the truth. I know people on here often joke about the gutless drunk stuff but is that what has caused this deterioration or is there something else responsible?

OBF1
01-06-2011, 03:10 AM
Maybe him turning 67 next month has a little to do with it ???

tsiguy96
01-06-2011, 03:22 AM
id say its pretty short sighted to assume anything off of a brief presser intro...but we are all MDs here so have at it

vanbrugh
01-06-2011, 03:26 AM
Maybe it is short sighted but i know what my eyes are telling me and it kinda makes me feel sad to see the decline.

tsiguy96
01-06-2011, 03:29 AM
hes almost 70 years old and is a terrible public speaker. doesnt change what kind of person he is or his vision with the team, or the fact that, unlike some other owners, his #1 goal is winning and he will go through every expense to make sure that will happen. there is a reason his offseason goal appears to be reconnect with fanbase, he cares about the fans and badly wants to win for them, for his team and for himself. give the guy a break!

atomicbloke
01-06-2011, 04:40 AM
I watched the press conference several times just to observe if any of the rumors about Pat's decline had any bearing in reality.

Nothing from the press conference seemed to indicate anything that suggests that Pat is ill or sick. While he may have medical problems that are not public knowledge, I don't understand where everyone gets this "shell of his former self" and "quite visibly ill and in decline" stuff. At least from his press conference yesterday, it wasn't remotely so.

I think its people's imagination working overtime.

Agamemnon
01-06-2011, 04:43 AM
He's getting older. It wouldn't surprise me if he is suffering from some kind of mental deterioration. It happens to many people as they approach 70. It's certainly not to the point that he appears completely senile or anything.

Jetmeck
01-06-2011, 04:53 AM
I watched the press conference several times just to observe if any of the rumors about Pat's decline had any bearing in reality.

Nothing from the press conference seemed to indicate anything that suggests that Pat is ill or sick. While he may have medical problems that are not public knowledge, I don't understand where everyone gets this "shell of his former self" and "quite visibly ill and in decline" stuff. At least from his press conference yesterday, it wasn't remotely so.

I think its people's imagination working overtime.

Thank you.....this BS has been running on this board for some time.
Sad to think people just make stuff like that up and run with it........

ColoradoDarin
01-06-2011, 07:22 AM
Because he's such a pimp, people always forget what a horrible public speaker Mr Bowlen is.

baja
01-06-2011, 07:29 AM
hes almost 70 years old and is a terrible public speaker. doesnt change what kind of person he is or his vision with the team, or the fact that, unlike some other owners, his #1 goal is winning and he will go through every expense to make sure that will happen. there is a reason his offseason goal appears to be reconnect with fanbase, he cares about the fans and badly wants to win for them, for his team and for himself. give the guy a break!

I think he brought Elway in because he knows he is slipping and trusts John to protect his and the Broncos interests. Hopefully Elway will know what is in the best interest of the Broncos. It all so says something about Joe Ellis IMO.

Missouribronc
01-06-2011, 07:43 AM
He actually appeared very emotional to me, almost on the verge of tears in two moments. John is like a son to him, I would imagine.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 08:54 AM
I think he brought Elway in because he knows he is slipping and trusts John to protect his and the Broncos interests. Hopefully Elway will know what is in the best interest of the Broncos. It all so says something about Joe Ellis IMO.

I absolutely agree. You don't start forgetting major life events in your late 60's. That is not normal.

strafen
01-06-2011, 08:56 AM
Watching the press conference yesterday it struck me how old Pat has become and how he seems to have become almost a shell of his former great self. It seemed to me that he stumbled through his few words and even seemed to lose his train of thought a couple of times. Heck someone pointed out on here that he seemed to be drooling while giving his speech and i'm not sure that wasn't the truth. I know people on here often joke about the gutless drunk stuff but is that what has caused this deterioration or is there something else responsible?Oh boy.
Here we go.
Another internet rumor is born...

tsiguy96
01-06-2011, 09:01 AM
I absolutely agree. You don't start forgetting major life events in your late 60's. That is not normal.

cant believe people are still caught up on his joke about forgetting the super bowl seasons. IT WAS A JOKE! he was saying its been a long time since this team was a real SB contender

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 09:04 AM
cant believe people are still caught up on his joke about forgetting the super bowl seasons. IT WAS A JOKE! he was saying its been a long time since this team was a real SB contender

It's totally normal for a 67 year old to openly admit to short term memory loss as well.

tsiguy96
01-06-2011, 09:06 AM
It's totally normal for a 67 year old to openly admit to short term memory loss as well.

lets see a quote where he openly admitted to it, and not in a joking manner.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-06-2011, 09:07 AM
It's totally normal for a 67 year old to openly admit to short term memory loss as well.

Again, that comment was tongue in cheek. I dont know why people took it so friggin literally

JJG
01-06-2011, 09:07 AM
I watched the press conference several times just to observe if any of the rumors about Pat's decline had any bearing in reality.

Nothing from the press conference seemed to indicate anything that suggests that Pat is ill or sick. While he may have medical problems that are not public knowledge, I don't understand where everyone gets this "shell of his former self" and "quite visibly ill and in decline" stuff. At least from his press conference yesterday, it wasn't remotely so.

I think its people's imagination working overtime.

people see what they want to see.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Again, that comment was tongue in cheek. I dont know why people took it so friggin literally

So there is nothing to be concerned about. Despite every single indicator pointing to an obvious problem, and the words quoted by Woody Paige "I'm experiencing short term memory loss." The fact that not a word was uttered from Bowlen during the McD firing and interim transition until his showing yesterday. Whatever dude.... totally normal behavior.

vanbrugh
01-06-2011, 09:20 AM
To me it looked like he was trailing off while speaking and quite noticably a couple of times he lost what he was saying. This may be normal for a 67 year old but is a marked contrast to how i remember him being.

What is worrying is drooling while giving these speeches although i guess this could be nerves.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 09:22 AM
To me it looked like he was trailing off while speaking and quite noticably a couple of times he lost what he was saying. This may be normal for a 67 year old but is a marked contrast to how i remember him being.

What is worrying is drooling while giving these speeches although i guess this could be nerves.

Anxiety does not cause salivation. The autonomic nervous system does not work that way. I read that in a book somewhere.

Denver Crush
01-06-2011, 09:30 AM
alzheimers

Chris
01-06-2011, 09:37 AM
Most people don't look that off when they're 70. 70 is the new 60.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 09:43 AM
He can barely talk. It's sad.

Mountain Bronco
01-06-2011, 09:44 AM
Everyone ages so differently it is hard to say that anything is specifically because of their numerical age. Maybe 70 for pat is like 90 for other folks. Hell my partner is 32 years older than me and at 64 stilll looks like his 50, runs 5 miles a day and doesn't miss a thing mentally. However, my mother in law is 50, and has the health and mind of a 80 year old, we all age differently and perhaps Pat is at that point in time where he is having health problems.

I hope you all have respect for whatever it is may be causing any health or mental issues, because you will all be there some day.

Mile High Shack
01-06-2011, 09:46 AM
eh....he's never been good at public speaking, look at all his old press conferences (the very few he's had)

vanbrugh
01-06-2011, 09:58 AM
I honestly dont know how there are people on here saying that he is perfectly fine and pin it on his public speaking. I have watched this conference 3 times now and each time it get's worse. The slurred words, the missed words, lost train of thought, vacant look in the eyes not to mention the drooling. This is a sad day for me seeing such a great man in this condition.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 10:06 AM
I'm really excited about this Elway situation even thought I'm not sure it will work out. It seems like we will be doing just about the polar opposite of the McDaniels era, so I'm all for it. It just seems a little funny to me that we keep hearing things like "transparency," yet we are supposed to just ignore the obvious problem with Bowlen... and the apparent foundation work for transitioning functional ownership to Elway.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 10:08 AM
I honestly dont know how there are people on here saying that he is perfectly fine and pin it on his public speaking. I have watched this conference 3 times now and each time it get's worse. The slurred words, the missed words, lost train of thought, vacant look in the eyes not to mention the drooling. This is a sad day for me seeing such a great man in this condition.

Sometimes diseases have subtle clinical signs.

bowtown
01-06-2011, 10:20 AM
I honestly dont know how there are people on here saying that he is perfectly fine and pin it on his public speaking. I have watched this conference 3 times now and each time it get's worse. The slurred words, the missed words, lost train of thought, vacant look in the eyes not to mention the drooling. This is a sad day for me seeing such a great man in this condition.

Just to be clear, we are talking about the Elway portion of the conference, right?

gunns
01-06-2011, 10:55 AM
Watching the press conference yesterday it struck me how old Pat has become and how he seems to have become almost a shell of his former great self. It seemed to me that he stumbled through his few words and even seemed to lose his train of thought a couple of times. Heck someone pointed out on here that he seemed to be drooling while giving his speech and i'm not sure that wasn't the truth. I know people on here often joke about the gutless drunk stuff but is that what has caused this deterioration or is there something else responsible?

He is getting older and if you watched the speech he gave at the HOF induction, it was awful. He has never been a good public speaker.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 11:34 AM
hes almost 70 years old and is a terrible public speaker. doesnt change what kind of person he is or his vision with the team, or the fact that, unlike some other owners, his #1 goal is winning and he will go through every expense to make sure that will happen. there is a reason his offseason goal appears to be reconnect with fanbase, he cares about the fans and badly wants to win for them, for his team and for himself. give the guy a break!

I never thought it would happen, but...yeah. I agree with Tsiguy. Good post.

vancejohnson82
01-06-2011, 11:47 AM
I honestly dont know how there are people on here saying that he is perfectly fine and pin it on his public speaking. I have watched this conference 3 times now and each time it get's worse. The slurred words, the missed words, lost train of thought, vacant look in the eyes not to mention the drooling. This is a sad day for me seeing such a great man in this condition.

You've watched this THREE times??

here:

www.match.com

Pick Six
01-06-2011, 01:17 PM
On the bright side, he's not a drooling corpse, like a certain owner of a silver and black team...:smashraid

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 01:27 PM
I hate to say this but I think Bowlen is in a mental state of decline not associated with his age, that is, I think there are other issues with his health. The less he appears in public, the more I tend to think it's becuase of health issues. He was never a very public guy to begin with so it's hard to know for certain, however, it appears he may be suffering from other health issues not associated with the aging process.

COBronc78
01-06-2011, 01:32 PM
Alzheimer's is setting in for Bowlen. My parents are good friends with the Shanahans and they've mentioned this several times over the past couple of years to them. Obviously, not a legitimate source that anyone here will believe but it is alzheimer's. Pretty smart to not announce it to the media, however I'm sure many here won't take my word for it. And no, I didn't register just to post this. Strong first post, huh?

Eitherway, I don't see Bowlen staying owner too long into the future.

bendog
01-06-2011, 01:35 PM
He can barely talk. It's sad.

Absolute has that effect on me too, and I'm not even 60 yet!

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 01:35 PM
I expect a reasonable discussion to follow.

DivineBronco
01-06-2011, 01:46 PM
yeah this is such a hard area...many people can see what is going on and adding in little nuggets from people through the last couple years it seems there is more than smoke there is fire here. But some people can only accept it if they hear it from him or a family member. I can respect that view, it is a tad naive but i get where they are coming from

listopencil
01-06-2011, 01:50 PM
You've watched this THREE times??

here:

www.match.com

The first thing I did after watching the press conference was try to find a link to the replay. Lots of info there, hard to soak it all in on the fly. By the way:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/John-Elway-Press-Conference---Part-1/af79b952-9d91-472e-98e3-5f3aa1243389

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/John-Elway-Press-Conference---Part-2/11c620d7-fe13-4a47-9aef-caa557dbba64#?id=af79b952-9d91-472e-98e3-5f3aa1243389

Jetmeck
01-06-2011, 01:54 PM
He can barely talk. It's sad.

Quit making chit up..........come on

orangemonkey
01-06-2011, 01:55 PM
my Father in law was diagnosed with Alzheimer's 3 years ago at the age of 57 (way two young). Watching the press conference 3 times with the wife, we both agreed that Bowlen is showing some similar signs. Hope it's not true. Terrible, terrible disease.

Having the Duke here now to lead, align strategy, gain consensus and hire the right team could be the best decision Bowlen has made.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-06-2011, 01:56 PM
Quit making chit up..........come on

So basically you didn't watch the press conference.

Cito Pelon
01-06-2011, 01:56 PM
I think he brought Elway in because he knows he is slipping and trusts John to protect his and the Broncos interests. Hopefully Elway will know what is in the best interest of the Broncos. It all so says something about Joe Ellis IMO.

I'm really getting curious if Ellis is taking advantage of Pat Bowlen. Ellis has acquired control of the team. Not ownership, but control in title. We'll see how much power Elway actually has in the next couple of years. Seems to me there's gonna be a power struggle.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 03:23 PM
I don't see it as Ellis taking advantage of Bowlen at all. If anything Josh McDaniels came in, with high energy and a forceful personality, and just steamrolled the whole Front Office. Obviously there was a power vacuum or I don't think a brand new Head Coach in his early 30's could have done that. My interpretation of the situation is that Bowlen picked McD. This gave McD authority in the FO during a power vacuum. McD then ran the team with little oversight from anyone, and the whole thing crashed and burned because the job is too hard for one person. It was too much for Shanny and it was too much for McD.

So now Bowlen takes steps to keep that from happening, including taking himself out of the equation a bit. He knows that he can't be The Guy in the FO so he puts Elway, who he trusts, in as The Guy. But now he changes the dynamic. The Guy is now a team player and a manager, not a coach. He is surrounded by 1) Ellis with a promotion, more empowered. 2) Xanders with a promise of greater input and accountability, more empowered. 3) A new Head Coach who will be on a "short leash" so to speak. Less power in this spot. It's not a bad idea. I hope it works.

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:25 PM
Come on, Canadians don't get Alzhiemers. They die waiting in line for socialized healthcar first. (had to, sorry) (-:

baja
01-06-2011, 03:27 PM
I don't see it as Ellis taking advantage of Bowlen at all. If anything Josh McDaniels came in, with high energy and a forceful personality, and just steamrolled the whole Front Office. Obviously there was a power vacuum or I don't think a brand new Head Coach in his early 30's could have done that. My interpretation of the situation is that Bowlen picked McD. This gave McD authority in the FO during a power vacuum. McD then ran the team with little oversight from anyone, and the whole thing crashed and burned because the job is too hard for one person. It was too much for Shanny and it was too much for McD.

So now Bowlen takes steps to keep that from happening, including taking himself out of the equation a bit. He knows that he can't be The Guy in the FO so he puts Elway, who he trusts, in as The Guy. But now he changes the dynamic. The Guy is now a team player and a manager, not a coach. He is surrounded by 1) Ellis with a promotion, more empowered. 2) Xanders with a promise of greater input and accountability, more empowered. 3) A new Head Coach who will be on a "short leash" so to speak. Less power in this spot. It's not a bad idea. I hope it works.

Ya this is what I see happening too. Although I wonder if Elway and Ellis can co exist.

bendog
01-06-2011, 03:28 PM
I don't see it as Ellis taking advantage of Bowlen at all. If anything Josh McDaniels came in, with high energy and a forceful personality, and just steamrolled the whole Front Office. Obviously there was a power vacuum or I don't think a brand new Head Coach in his early 30's could have done that. My interpretation of the situation is that Bowlen picked McD. This gave McD authority in the FO during a power vacuum. McD then ran the team with little oversight from anyone, and the whole thing crashed and burned because the job is too hard for one person. It was too much for Shanny and it was too much for McD.

So now Bowlen takes steps to keep that from happening, including taking himself out of the equation a bit. He knows that he can't be The Guy in the FO so he puts Elway, who he trusts, in as The Guy. But now he changes the dynamic. The Guy is now a team player and a manager, not a coach. He is surrounded by 1) Ellis with a promotion, more empowered. 2) Xanders with a promise of greater input and accountability, more empowered. 3) A new Head Coach who will be on a "short leash" so to speak. Less power in this spot. It's not a bad idea. I hope it works.

Steam rolled by Josh Mcd.

<img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oRE7a2YmizM/TLgCNnBA-uI/AAAAAAAAAEY/vuMK_20afik/s400/sadness16.jpg">

listopencil
01-06-2011, 03:30 PM
Ya this is what I see happening too. Although I wonder if Elway and Ellis can co exist.

That is an interesting point, especially because Elway may be Ellis' eventual replacement. I hope they can. I think Elway needs oversight too and it may be that Ellis is actually taking on Bowlen's place in the company much more than Elway is.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 03:31 PM
Steam rolled by Josh Mcd.

<img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oRE7a2YmizM/TLgCNnBA-uI/AAAAAAAAAEY/vuMK_20afik/s400/sadness16.jpg">


Yeah, sad isn't it? After firing Shanny, Bowlen hired Shanny Lite.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 03:34 PM
Maybe the biggest screw up was NOT reorganizing the FO when Shanny left, to accommodate the hiring of a less experienced HC.

baja
01-06-2011, 03:39 PM
That is an interesting point, especially because Elway may be Ellis' eventual replacement. I hope they can. I think Elway needs oversight too and it may be that Ellis is actually taking on Bowlen's place in the company much more than Elway is.

If that were true you wouldn't need Elway in the first place.

I think it is more of a case of Bowlen having complete trust in Elway's loyalty and a few questions about his OF skill level. My guess Ellis has raised some doubt in Bowlen's mind over the mishandling of McD. Josh was Ellis' baby and he blew it. Personally I don't get a good feeling about Ellis.

baja
01-06-2011, 03:40 PM
Maybe the biggest screw up was NOT reorganizing the FO when Shanny left, to accommodate the hiring of a less experienced HC.

That is my position for a while now.

listopencil
01-06-2011, 03:43 PM
If that were true you wouldn't need Elway in the first place.

I think it is more of a case of Bowlen having complete trust in Elway's loyalty and a few questions about his OF skill level. My guess Ellis has raised some doubt in Bowlen's mind over the mishandling of McD. Josh was Ellis' baby and he blew it. Personally I don't get a good feeling about Ellis.

Could be, but then why not put Elway over Ellis instead of the other way around. OTJ training for Elway until Ellis is gone?

baja
01-06-2011, 03:47 PM
Could be, but then why not put Elway over Ellis instead of the other way around. OTJ training for Elway until Ellis is gone?

Once John gets up to speed and proves himself I think he will replace Ellis and I think Ellis sees that coming, this is why I don't see them getting along. In the end the dynamic may be good for the broncos. Checks and balances the same thing that made early US government a pretty good one.

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2011, 04:22 PM
Once John gets up to speed and proves himself I think he will replace Ellis and I think Ellis sees that coming, this is why I don't see them getting along. In the end the dynamic may be good for the broncos. Checks and balances the same thing that made early US government a pretty good one.

I have a feeling Ellis is more involved with Bowlen's personal finances/family money issues and hence, he has a more encompassing perspective on Bowlen's financial issues. Elway is helping with football operations while Ellis is protecting Pat's entire portfolio, so to speak...

bendog
01-06-2011, 04:24 PM
I have a feeling Ellis is more involved with Bowlen's personal finances/family money issues and hence, he has a more encompassing perspective on Bowlen's financial issues. Elway is helping with football operations while Ellis is protecting Pat's entire portfolio, so to speak...

yeah, Elway isn't going to get involved in CBA issues and owner committees. Bowlen was always a very active guy inside the ownership stuff. Ellis will replace him.

baja
01-06-2011, 05:16 PM
I have a feeling Ellis is more involved with Bowlen's personal finances/family money issues and hence, he has a more encompassing perspective on Bowlen's financial issues. Elway is helping with football operations while<b> Ellis is protecting Pat's entire portfolio,</b> so to speak...

Let's hope so.

zdoor
01-06-2011, 09:05 PM
Said this in another thread yesterday and think after seeing the news conference maybe it's a pretty good guess:

I think Bowlen is preparing to sell a controlling interest in the team to Elway and this is his audition to see how he does. He is in effect acting as the decision maker (owner) while reportedly relying on a GM and coach for input. I think Bowlen knows he is losing some of his sharpness and is looking for someone to take the responsibility from him and he trusts Elway. I would guess Ellis could also be looking at something similar in terms of a percentage with his input more on other non-football apsects of running the business.

All just a total guess but that is what it looks like....