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epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 09:34 PM
Andrew Luck is a project.

He has a questionable release, often throwing fluttering ducks.

When he throws, he pushes the ball...alot like Rivers.

He throws off of his back foot under pressure, and when he does that he floats the ball a little.

He locks on to his primary receivers.

He makes some immature decisions to try to extend plays with his feet rather than to throw the ball away when throwing it away would be a better choice.

He throws picks.

He wears a knee brace for some reason, which needs to be explored.

He earned his statistics in a weak conference against weak defenses.

He appears to have a sheepish, bland, Griese-esque personality...can he be a leader of men at the next level?

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Okay.

You're stirred up and agitated and ready to spit venom all over this thread. Thats okay, but hang in there with me for a second. I don't believe that any of the things that I wrote above will prevent Luck from being successful. I think that he'll be a success in the pros. He may even be a sparkling success. He has ability and could end up winning 10 straight MVP's and 10-straight superbowls, right? Okay. I'm not a hater. I think that he has an obvious aptitude for QB..

However, there are questions with any rookie QB. Every rookie QB. They are a roll of the dice, a spin on the wheel. A guess. An educated guess. A toss up. An expensive toss up.

Just like any rookie, Andrew Luck is a project. He is a player to be developed. Whether that takes a year, two years, or never happens is anyone's guess.

There is no such thing as a sure thing.

schaaf
01-03-2011, 09:36 PM
Are you watching the postgame interview of Harbaugh?

I'm liking what I see from him so far.
He seems like he can really rally a team and make adjustments.

Dagmar
01-03-2011, 09:36 PM
This sure needed a new thread. Is he NOT Christian Llama? Is that the issue?

Vegas_Bronco
01-03-2011, 09:37 PM
He also has a kneckbeard...$

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:37 PM
drama llama ties one to the end of his line and tosses it in the water

same as it ever was

RhymesayersDU
01-03-2011, 09:39 PM
Yeah this thread is dumb. We get it, Llama. You have your Tebow agenda that you're mandated to push every chance you get.

I like Tebow too. But this is so painfully obvious it's ridiculous.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:39 PM
I totally agree with the reasoning behind this thread, even if I don't think we needed another Luck thread.

The guy needs work. That is very clear. Every college QB does. Luck is not an automatic perennial pro-bowler just waiting to be picked up and plugged into a roster, and those that think that way are a bit deluded.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 09:40 PM
Yeah this thread is dumb. We get it, Llama. You have your Tebow agenda that you're mandated to push every chance you get.

I like Tebow too. But this is so painfully obvious it's ridiculous.

So you agree with the premise?

schaaf
01-03-2011, 09:42 PM
I personally think he is really ugly and I do not like the way he sounds.. other than that he is a good football player

bpc
01-03-2011, 10:00 PM
I think Luck is a good looking prospect coming out but so was Tim Couch... so was Akili Smith... so was Matt Leinart.

I thought Luck looked very average in the first half and some adjustments were made in the 2nd and he exploded. He has a nice arm, good accuracy and some mobility to move around. I'm iffy on some of the other things required of a natural born leader which you desperately need at the QB position. He'll have a learning curve just like every other rookie coming out. I don't think he's at Peyton Mannings level. Not even close. Time will tell though.

tsiguy96
01-03-2011, 10:01 PM
just got back from the orange bowl. this kid is sick, very easily worth the 1st overall

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 10:02 PM
I think Luck is a good looking prospect coming out but so was Tim Couch... so was Akili Smith... so was Matt Leinart.

I thought Luck looked very average in the first half and some adjustments were made in the 2nd and he exploded. He has a nice arm, good accuracy and some mobility to move around. I'm iffy on some of the other things required of a natural born leader which you desperately need at the QB position. He'll have a learning curve just like every other rookie coming out. I don't think he's at Peyton Mannings level. Not even close. Time will tell though.

I dont think that most of the people who visit this site are old enough to remember Peyton Manning as a prospect...much less John Elway.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 10:08 PM
I dont think that most of the people who visit this site are old enough to remember Peyton Manning as a prospect...much less John Elway.

Ha! I've been getting that feeling since joining these boards...

Archer81
01-03-2011, 10:08 PM
I watched the pregame for the Orange Bowl, and every single thing they said about Luck applies to Tebow. Leader, great runner, tough to bring down, gets the ball where it needs to be...We have this already.

I have no idea who the HC will be or what systems he will use or how he views current Broncos personnel, but it would be exceptionally questionable to draft a QB whose attributes that were being extolled are already present in Tebow.

:Broncos:

Zoobie
01-03-2011, 10:11 PM
I really just see bust written all over this kid, and I don't know why. The way he talks, he sounds so sheepish and hesitant, not like a confident leader. Again, sure there is plenty to like, but people are acting like he's god's gift to QBs. He is not, he's not even on the same level as Bradford coming out last year.

loborugger
01-03-2011, 10:12 PM
drama llama ties one to the end of his line and tosses it in the water

same as it ever was

And you immediately jump on the line.

same as it ever was

Archer81
01-03-2011, 10:14 PM
I really just see bust written all over this kid, and I don't know why. The way he talks, he sounds so sheepish and hesitant, not like a confident leader. Again, sure there is plenty to like, but people are acting like he's god's gift to QBs. He is not, he's not even on the same level as Bradford coming out last year.


I am fairly certain Ron Jaworski nutted twice in the pregame show. Like Jaws...he's the same age as your kid, man. Cougar.


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 10:17 PM
I am fairly certain Ron Jaworski nutted twice in the pregame show. Like Jaws...he's the same age as your kid, man. Cougar.


:Broncos:

http://www.paranormalgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/vomit.jpg

Steve Sewell
01-03-2011, 10:19 PM
I really just see bust written all over this kid, and I don't know why. The way he talks, he sounds so sheepish and hesitant, not like a confident leader. Again, sure there is plenty to like, but people are acting like he's god's gift to QBs. He is not, he's not even on the same level as Bradford coming out last year.

Hmm, everything I have heard about him is that his intelligence, leadership, and personal character are off the charts. It also doesn't hurt that he's 6'4" 235 lbs with a big accurate arm, running a pro-style offense to near perfection, and oh by the way he can run like the wind.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 10:20 PM
Hmm, everything I have heard about him is that his intelligence, leadership, and personal character are off the charts. It also doesn't hurt that he's 6'4" 235 lbs with a big accurate arm, running a pro-style offense to near perfection, and oh by the way he can run like the wind.

He's actually a magic wizard.


...or Bo Derek. I cant figure out which one.

Steve Sewell
01-03-2011, 10:23 PM
He's actually a magic wizard.


...or Bo Derek. I cant figure out which one.

He very well may be!

The problem with all this Luck talk is that the Broncos have no chance at getting him without neutering the franchise for the foreseeable future, so any discussion about him being a Bronco is pointless either way.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 10:24 PM
and you immediately jump on the line.

Same as it ever was

4321~

OBF1
01-03-2011, 10:40 PM
I like electric chairs and rainbows

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 10:41 PM
I like electric chairs and rainbows

Magnets...how do they work?

Crushaholic
01-03-2011, 10:56 PM
Tebow sells jerseys, and will continue to sell jerseys. If the talent level is comparable, the Broncos should stick with the quarterback with the best business prospect (Tebow).

peacepipe
01-03-2011, 11:03 PM
Andrew Luck is a project.

He has a questionable release, often throwing fluttering ducks.

When he throws, he pushes the ball...alot like Rivers.

He throws off of his back foot under pressure, and when he does that he floats the ball a little.

He locks on to his primary receivers.

He makes some immature decisions to try to extend plays with his feet rather than to throw the ball away when throwing it away would be a better choice.

He throws picks.

He wears a knee brace for some reason, which needs to be explored.

He earned his statistics in a weak conference against weak defenses.

He appears to have a sheepish, bland, Griese-esque personality...can he be a leader of men at the next level?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Okay.

You're stirred up and agitated and ready to spit venom all over this thread. Thats okay, but hang in there with me for a second. I don't believe that any of the things that I wrote above will prevent Luck from being successful. I think that he'll be a success in the pros. He may even be a sparkling success. He has ability and could end up winning 10 straight MVP's and 10-straight superbowls, right? Okay. I'm not a hater. I think that he has an obvious aptitude for QB..

However, there are questions with any rookie QB. Every rookie QB. They are a roll of the dice, a spin on the wheel. A guess. An educated guess. A toss up. An expensive toss up.

Just like any rookie, Andrew Luck is a project. He is a player to be developed. Whether that takes a year, two years, or never happens is anyone's guess.

There is no such thing as a sure thing.you don't know what you are talking about. You can't handle the truth that Tebow is a 3-4 yr project at QB.

ton80
01-03-2011, 11:05 PM
Andrew Luck is a project.

He has a questionable release, often throwing fluttering ducks.

When he throws, he pushes the ball...alot like Rivers.

He throws off of his back foot under pressure, and when he does that he floats the ball a little.

He locks on to his primary receivers.

He makes some immature decisions to try to extend plays with his feet rather than to throw the ball away when throwing it away would be a better choice.

He throws picks.

He wears a knee brace for some reason, which needs to be explored.

He earned his statistics in a weak conference against weak defenses.

He appears to have a sheepish, bland, Griese-esque personality...can he be a leader of men at the next level?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Okay.

You're stirred up and agitated and ready to spit venom all over this thread. Thats okay, but hang in there with me for a second. I don't believe that any of the things that I wrote above will prevent Luck from being successful. I think that he'll be a success in the pros. He may even be a sparkling success. He has ability and could end up winning 10 straight MVP's and 10-straight superbowls, right? Okay. I'm not a hater. I think that he has an obvious aptitude for QB..

However, there are questions with any rookie QB. Every rookie QB. They are a roll of the dice, a spin on the wheel. A guess. An educated guess. A toss up. An expensive toss up.

Just like any rookie, Andrew Luck is a project. He is a player to be developed. Whether that takes a year, two years, or never happens is anyone's guess.

There is no such thing as a sure thing.

I say offer Tebow to Carolina to switch spots in the draft. The way I see it, Luck is one badass mother****er with unbelievable talent! **** it. Lock onto the sure thing and damn the consequences.

Archer81
01-03-2011, 11:06 PM
I say offer Tebow to Carolina to switch spots in the draft. The way I see it, Luck is one badass mother****er with unbelievable talent! **** it. Lock onto the sure thing and damn the consequences.


Yes. Because Tebow has the talent of a gayfish. Everything people love Luck for, Tebow is the same exact thing. **** carolina, and draft defense.


:Broncos:

Zoobie
01-03-2011, 11:10 PM
Yes. Because Tebow has the talent of a gayfish. Everything people love Luck for, Tebow is the same exact thing. **** carolina, and draft defense.


:Broncos:

People want to believe Tebow is a 3-4 year project because that's all they heard when he came out of college last year. They will continue to cling to that idea, even though it is no more true for Tebow than it is for any young QB making the transition to the NFL. Personally, I don't understand all the hoopla about Luck, there will always be a QB considered in the top 3 picks, this year is no different, and Luck isn't some godsend talent.

peacepipe
01-03-2011, 11:16 PM
Yes. Because Tebow has the talent of a gayfish. Everything people love Luck for, Tebow is the same exact thing. **** carolina, and draft defense.


:Broncos:put simply, no he is not.

Archer81
01-03-2011, 11:23 PM
put simply, no he is not.


He is, actually. Everything you could possibly say about Andrew Luck can be applied to Tebow. People are in love with Luck's stats, the big arm, the mobility, the leadership qualities...how exactly is that NOT a description of Tebow? Of all the issues facing the Denver Broncos, Tebow at QB is not one of them, and drafting another QB because Todd McShay says he is "the best prospect ever" will not help the Broncos defense.


:Broncos:

strafen
01-03-2011, 11:26 PM
I don't think you can select an overall number 1 pick and call it a project Ha!

Archer81
01-03-2011, 11:28 PM
I don't think you can select an overall number 1 pick and call it a project Ha!


Any draft pick is a project. They are not NFL ready players when they are selected in April. More fans need to realize this.


:Broncos:

Taco John
01-03-2011, 11:33 PM
I say offer Tebow to Carolina to switch spots in the draft. The way I see it, Luck is one badass mother****er with unbelievable talent! **** it. Lock onto the sure thing and damn the consequences.

Tebow and what? It'll take Tebow and probably next year's first and the following year's second to move up.

Taco John
01-03-2011, 11:35 PM
People want to believe Tebow is a 3-4 year project because that's all they heard when he came out of college last year. They will continue to cling to that idea, even though it is no more true for Tebow than it is for any young QB making the transition to the NFL. Personally, I don't understand all the hoopla about Luck, there will always be a QB considered in the top 3 picks, this year is no different, and Luck isn't some godsend talent.

Our defense is a 3 year project. With any luck they'll mature at about the same time.

OABB
01-03-2011, 11:38 PM
Luck is the first can't miss project since Tony mandarich. Might as well clear some space in canton for his bust.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 11:41 PM
just got back from the orange bowl. this kid is sick, very easily worth the 1st overall

No doubt. But do we need to get him? Is he 10 percent better than Tim Tebow? 20? Will he sell more seats for more cash? He'll still need work like Tim will.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 11:43 PM
He is, actually. Everything you could possibly say about Andrew Luck can be applied to Tebow. People are in love with Luck's stats, the big arm, the mobility, the leadership qualities...how exactly is that NOT a description of Tebow? Of all the issues facing the Denver Broncos, Tebow at QB is not one of them, and drafting another QB because Todd McShay says he is "the best prospect ever" will not help the Broncos defense.


:Broncos:

It's the mechanics and the system. Everything that Luck has done in college Tebow did better. But because Luck has what they are looking for in technique and because he plays in an "NFL style" offense, he's the ultimate QB. Meanwhile all of Tebow's accomplishments and his through-the-roof intangibles are disregarded over non-conventional techniques and a system that isn't considered "NFL style". It's stupid, but it's the way the "experts" think.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 11:44 PM
I say offer Tebow to Carolina to switch spots in the draft. The way I see it, Luck is one badass mother****er with unbelievable talent! **** it. Lock onto the sure thing and damn the consequences.

That sentence makes no sense...

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 11:47 PM
No doubt. But do we need to get him? Is he 10 percent better than Tim Tebow? 20? Will he sell more seats for more cash? He'll still need work like Tim will.

Its pretty much guaranteed that he will not out-work Tebow.

Archer81
01-03-2011, 11:52 PM
It's the mechanics and the system. Everything that Luck has done in college Tebow did better. But because Luck has what they are looking for in technique and because he plays in an "NFL style" offense, he's the ultimate QB. Meanwhile all of Tebow's accomplishments and his through-the-roof intangibles are disregarded over non-conventional techniques and a system that isn't considered "NFL style". It's stupid, but it's the way the "experts" think.


Honestly I do not give a **** if tebow has a long windup or an odd throwing motion. The passes are crisp, they get where they need to go and he completed some passes the last two weeks I did not even think he could make. Tim has pocket awareness, and has escapability. He can tuck it and take off for a 30 yard run like its nothing. Its effortless, and if this team sticks with him, good things will happen here again. Im pretty sure if the internet existed in the 1980's people would be bitching about Elway "running too much" and how he cant just run it whenever and he will get killed and have a short career because of it. That seemed to work out ok. Even with John's wierd pigeon toed gait.

:Broncos:

Garcia Bronco
01-04-2011, 12:01 AM
Its pretty much guaranteed that he will not out-work Tebow.

I don't know about that, but I can't disagree with you.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 12:06 AM
I don't know about that, but I can't disagree with you.

Tebow has that Jerry Rice drive. Luck may have that as well, Im not sure.

TailgateNut
01-04-2011, 12:07 AM
He very well may be!

The problem with all this Luck talk is that the Broncos have no chance at getting him without neutering the franchise for the foreseeable future, so any discussion about him being a Bronco is pointless either way.

^5

Like it or not we'll have to go down with mini jesus a the helm.

SoCalBronco
01-04-2011, 12:08 AM
Our defense is a 3 year project. With any luck they'll mature at about the same time.

A harsh judgment, but probably not too far from the truth. If we can compile alot of quality picks (i.e. 3 2nds, 2 3rds, while staying in the first round), devote almost all of them to defense (I would devote one of those picks to adding another interior OL) and hire a good coordinator like Nolan was, I think we could be an above average defense in Year 2 of the new program.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 12:09 AM
Like it or not we'll have to go down with mini jesus a the helm.

...and you'll love it. Ha!


You'll be the first one to ask Tebow to sign your boob at the championship welcoming party at the airport.

OABB
01-04-2011, 12:12 AM
^5

Like it or not we'll have to go down with mini jesus a the helm.

take a deep breath... you are having a pannis attack.

TailgateNut
01-04-2011, 12:12 AM
...and you'll love it. Ha!


You'll be the first one to ask Tebow to sign your boob at the championship welcoming party at the airport.


Not even! Sunday was my last Hoorah!

Agamemnon
01-04-2011, 12:14 AM
^5

Like it or not we'll have to go down with mini jesus a the helm.

Mini? How big was Jesus? :holyguac!

TailgateNut
01-04-2011, 12:16 AM
take a deep breath... You are having a pannis attack.lol

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 12:17 AM
Not even! Sunday was my last Hoorah!

I dont believe a word of it.

You cant just give something like that up because Tebow did a pro-life commercial. You have enjoyed tailgating for years. Dont be too stubborn to enjoy the good years...and the good years are coming back.

Requiem
01-04-2011, 12:17 AM
A harsh judgment, but probably not too far from the truth. If we can compile alot of quality picks (i.e. 3 2nds, 2 3rds, while staying in the first round), devote almost all of them to defense (I would devote one of those picks to adding another interior OL) and hire a good coordinator like Nolan was, I think we could be an above average defense in Year 2 of the new program.

Zombie Bronco Fan says,

"We must acquire more piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicks."

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/024/c/7/zombie_by_uncherished.jpg

TailgateNut
01-04-2011, 12:37 AM
I dont believe a word of it.

You cant just give something like that up because Tebow did a pro-life commercial. You have enjoyed tailgating for years. Dont be too stubborn to enjoy the good years...and the good years are coming back.


It's just an "icing on the cake" type thing.

It's been working on me like a boil since 2001, and has come to a head!

The new stadium.
The stupid ****ing moves the Broncos have made over the past 10 years, and most likely will make again this year.
The Broncos' version of the Patriot Act
The "new and improved" fans. (Fairweather, Bandwagon, and Tebownites)
The constant price increases.
The playoff games with 30-40% opposing fans in our house because of greedy bastards who just own rights to make a buck.

and quite few more reasons

SoCalBronco
01-04-2011, 12:45 AM
It's just an "icing on the cake" type thing.

It's been working on me like a boil since 2001, and has come to a head!

The new stadium.
The stupid ****ing moves the Broncos have made over the past 10 years, and most likely will make again this year.
The Broncos' version of the Patriot Act
The "new and improved" fans. (Fairweather, Bandwagon, and Tebownites)
The constant price increases.
The playoff games with 30-40% opposing fans in our house because of greedy bastards who just own rights to make a buck.

and quite few more reasons

Admittedly, there are alot of reasons to be sick and tired of this organization and really everything. But going to games and getting your tailgating thing on is important. It would be a shame for you to give it up now....things will start heading in the right direction, soon. I'm sure you are very frustrated with all of these issues, but what about the thrill of gameday? There's only 8 of those a year. IMO, it would be a shame if you gave up something that is that fun and that you obviously do quite well. Just keep fighting through the frustrations. Keep going to games.....it will end up being worth it. JMHO.

Requiem
01-04-2011, 12:47 AM
SoCal is right, man.

Every dog has its day (besides at the Vick residence) and the Broncos will return to glory in the near future.

I'd sell my brother into slavery if I could experience some Mile High Magic.

TailgateNut
01-04-2011, 01:00 AM
Admittedly, there are alot of reasons to be sick and tired of this organization and really everything. But going to games and getting your tailgating thing on is important. It would be a shame for you to give it up now....things will start heading in the right direction, soon. I'm sure you are very frustrated with all of these issues, but what about the thrill of gameday? There's only 8 of those a year. IMO, it would be a shame if you gave up something that is that fun and that you obviously do quite well. Just keep fighting through the frustrations. Keep going to games.....it will end up being worth it. JMHO.


If you head south for a decade, it'll take a decade to return to your starting point. I have no desire to put up with this **** for another ten years.
I've given up on two pairs of tix the last two years, and had intended to give up the remaining 5 seats I had at the beginning of this year, but allowed my wife to talk me out of it (big ****ing mistake).
I will return my last upper level set this coming year and might keep the family tix in the lower bowl for a few visits in the coming season, but that's still a big maybe at this point. (eating 8 pairs of tix this year didn't taste real good).

In addition, the place is turning into RaiderVille IMO. You've got a bunch of clowns running around masquerading in outfits which rival the clowns at the Mausoleum.
There's the Leprechaun who I hope falls off the upper deck, The Limo guy, the PomPom idiots, An Orange Darth Vader, A ****ing wench in some weird ass latex suit who needs to take a bath, the skeletor clown, an orange wolfman, two ****ing guys dressed like 70's wrestlers, and.....

It's a ****ing freak show! On the field and in the stands.

Let the NEW fans take over.

SoCalBronco
01-04-2011, 01:10 AM
If you head south for a decade, it'll take a decade to return to your starting point. I have no desire to put up with this **** for another ten years.
I've given up on two pairs of tix the last two years, and had intended to give up the remaining 5 seats I had at the beginning of this year, but allowed my wife to talk me out of it (big ****ing mistake).
I will return my last upper level set this coming year and might keep the family tix in the lower bowl for a few visits in the coming season, but that's still a big maybe at this point. (eating 8 pairs of tix this year didn't taste real good).

In addition, the place is turning into RaiderVille IMO. You've got a bunch of clowns running around masquerading in outfits which rival the clowns at the Mausoleum.
There's the Leprechaun who I hope falls off the upper deck, The Limo guy, the PomPom idiots, An Orange Darth Vader, A ****ing wench in some weird ass latex suit who needs to take a bath, the skeletor clown, an orange wolfman, two ****ing guys dressed like 70's wrestlers, and.....

It's a ****ing freak show! On the field and in the stands.

Let the NEW fans take over.

I would hope that you at least take some time to seriously think over this the next few months before you make a decision. That other fans might be acting in an immature way shouldn't affect you at all. You are there to enjoy it for yourself and your family. I'm not thrilled that Elway and Xanders are running the show, but I hope things will turn around soon. The on field product can't get too much worse, so it will have to get better, even if the FO (and some fans at the stadium) are clowns, themselves. As it gets better, I think you may be able to focus more on the game and enjoy it more and disregard some of the people you despise at the games. Anyway, I obviously respect your choices, but I would just hope you think this through very thoroughly before you cut it off.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 04:06 AM
If you head south for a decade, it'll take a decade to return to your starting point. I have no desire to put up with this **** for another ten years.
I've given up on two pairs of tix the last two years, and had intended to give up the remaining 5 seats I had at the beginning of this year, but allowed my wife to talk me out of it (big ****ing mistake).
I will return my last upper level set this coming year and might keep the family tix in the lower bowl for a few visits in the coming season, but that's still a big maybe at this point. (eating 8 pairs of tix this year didn't taste real good).

In addition, the place is turning into RaiderVille IMO. You've got a bunch of clowns running around masquerading in outfits which rival the clowns at the Mausoleum.
There's the Leprechaun who I hope falls off the upper deck, The Limo guy, the PomPom idiots, An Orange Darth Vader, A ****ing wench in some weird ass latex suit who needs to take a bath, the skeletor clown, an orange wolfman, two ****ing guys dressed like 70's wrestlers, and.....

It's a ****ing freak show! On the field and in the stands.

Let the NEW fans take over.

Theres alot of funny stuff in there. There's a "skeletor clown" that goes to the games? Ha! Funny stuff. Maybe you should dress as a He-man mime or something to fit in?

It has just been such a part of your life for so long. If it brings you peace to let it go, then let it go.

Jesterhole
01-04-2011, 05:01 AM
Luck isn't a good enough prospect to pay the cost of moving up to get him. This team needs defense...we already have a QB who will have success, he just needs to be given time. Since we're already rebuilding, I'd rather go with Tebow than reset ALL over again, wasting all the picks it took to get Tim and all the picks it'll take to get Luck, just for the small chance that he turns out a lot better than Tebow.

Kaylore
01-04-2011, 05:27 AM
The fairweather fans are the ones who are going to start leaving. My buddy was at the game and he said most of the last eight minutes were 20,000 die hards who were louder than when the rest of the fair-weather crowd was in there. No one thinks we'll be any good next year, so you will still see tickets sold to visiting fans, but you will also see fewer fair-weather fans.

baja
01-04-2011, 05:33 AM
Magnets...how do they work?

They don't work, they attract ... or repel and they do that forever.

RhymesayersDU
01-04-2011, 06:05 AM
This thread went from a Tim Tebow superfan pushing that agenda to a Bronco fan pushing his always funny "I'm a way better fan than everybody else" agenda.

Wacky, wild stuff.

Likwid Kerruj
01-04-2011, 06:17 AM
Luck looks to be less of a project being 2 years younger and having 3 games less NFL starting experience than Tebow.

Hmmm...

ayjackson
01-04-2011, 06:20 AM
They don't work, they attract ... or repel and they do that forever.

But if there's energy, force and motion, there must be work in there somewhere.

strafen
01-04-2011, 06:20 AM
A top 5 pick in the draft is typically a starter, an impact player. You don't draft a top-5 player and make him a project...

Rohirrim
01-04-2011, 07:49 AM
We're at the bottom of the NFL pile any way you look at it. Us and Carolina. Both teams are starting at rock bottom and need more pieces than any one off season will take care of. When you're at this stage of rebuilding, the most important piece is QB. Getting a QB of the future is like laying a keel. All the ribs of the ship you are building connect to that. QB is the backbone. The question becomes, who is the best QB to build on for the future, Tebow or Luck? The Broncos should seriously ask themselves that question, once they have their coach.

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SoDak Bronco
01-04-2011, 08:04 AM
If we get Harbaugh, I think we know who our QB of the future is...or atleast who we hope it will be.

jhns
01-04-2011, 08:10 AM
It's just an "icing on the cake" type thing.

It's been working on me like a boil since 2001, and has come to a head!

The new stadium.
The stupid ****ing moves the Broncos have made over the past 10 years, and most likely will make again this year.
The Broncos' version of the Patriot Act
The "new and improved" fans. (Fairweather, Bandwagon, and Tebownites)
The constant price increases.
The playoff games with 30-40% opposing fans in our house because of greedy bastards who just own rights to make a buck.

and quite few more reasons

I hate fair weather fans. I am giving up my tickets because the Broncos are making dumb moves and suck!

LOL

Wtf?

Mile High Shack
01-04-2011, 08:12 AM
I like Tebow, but if we didn't have to give up too much and could still get a crap ton of defensive talent, I'd take Luck over Tebow easy

bronco militia
01-04-2011, 08:13 AM
It's just an "icing on the cake" type thing.

It's been working on me like a boil since 2001, and has come to a head!

The new stadium.
The stupid ****ing moves the Broncos have made over the past 10 years, and most likely will make again this year.
The Broncos' version of the Patriot Act
The "new and improved" fans. (Fairweather, Bandwagon, and Tebownites)
The constant price increases.
The playoff games with 30-40% opposing fans in our house because of greedy bastards who just own rights to make a buck.

and quite few more reasons

one reason is good enough for me...somtimes we are ready to move on and do other things.

Drek
01-04-2011, 08:23 AM
If we get Harbaugh, I think we know who our QB of the future is...or atleast who we hope it will be.

And who's that?

Tebow fits great in Harbaugh's style of offense and Harbaugh has had nothing but praise for Tebow.

Fact is, Luck is a redshirt sophomore who has started two years, looked exceptional for only one, and did so in the PAC-10. Tebow was a three year starter, a Heisman finalist in all three, and did so in the toughest collegiate football conference of the time, the SEC.

Tebow has now had a full season of NFL level preparation and three NFL starts. He will spend this off-season learning the nuances of a new coach's offensive system and will be equipped with everything needed to continue his development even if there is a lockout.

Luck meanwhile will spend the off-season preparing for draft workouts and pro days. He will be unable to receive any hands on coaching by his future team's staff pending a new CBA at any point in this off-season.

For a coach looking to win in 2011 Tim Tebow as the Broncos QB is a better option than any draftee, including Andrew Luck. For someone like Harbaugh who thinks the criticisms of Tebow's throwing motion is off-base, a coach who has compared Tebow to Steve Young, I would think those advantages would be readily apparent.

Play2win
01-04-2011, 08:24 AM
This sure needed a new thread. Is he NOT Christian Llama? Is that the issue?

It would be funny as hell, if LUCK came out and said he was a devout Christian-- pro life, GOP, the whole 9 yards.

AngryLlama's head would expload...


Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck... Tebow... ... Luck...



Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:

bendog
01-04-2011, 08:29 AM
I hope Tebow prays for him. He seems pretty non-religious.

bloodsunday
01-04-2011, 08:32 AM
draft pick = project in almost all instances

bendog
01-04-2011, 08:33 AM
tebow = project (albiet one that looks good)

luck = no one overall pick and best looking QB to come out since Stratford, and possibly better. The combine figures on arm strength will be interesting.

Rohirrim
01-04-2011, 08:34 AM
And who's that?

Tebow fits great in Harbaugh's style of offense and Harbaugh has had nothing but praise for Tebow.

Fact is, Luck is a redshirt sophomore who has started two years, looked exceptional for only one, and did so in the PAC-10. Tebow was a three year starter, a Heisman finalist in all three, and did so in the toughest collegiate football conference of the time, the SEC.

Tebow has now had a full season of NFL level preparation and three NFL starts. He will spend this off-season learning the nuances of a new coach's offensive system and will be equipped with everything needed to continue his development even if there is a lockout.

Luck meanwhile will spend the off-season preparing for draft workouts and pro days. He will be unable to receive any hands on coaching by his future team's staff pending a new CBA at any point in this off-season.

For a coach looking to win in 2011 Tim Tebow as the Broncos QB is a better option than any draftee, including Andrew Luck. For someone like Harbaugh who thinks the criticisms of Tebow's throwing motion is off-base, a coach who has compared Tebow to Steve Young, I would think those advantages would be readily apparent.

"And did so in the Pac10..." (snicker, snicker). I would think, now that a Pac10team is favored to win the national championship, that the continued "looking down our noses at the Pac10" thing would come to an end. Which SEC team do you think would have beat Stanford yesterday?

2KBack
01-04-2011, 08:39 AM
"And did so in the Pac10..." (snicker, snicker). I would think, now that a Pac10team is favored to win the national championship, that the continued "looking down our noses at the Pac10" thing would come to an end. Which SEC team do you think would have beat Stanford yesterday?

Auburn

Mile High Shack
01-04-2011, 08:40 AM
Auburn

Alabama
Arkansas

Rohirrim
01-04-2011, 08:41 AM
Auburn

We'll see next Monday. ;D

Drek
01-04-2011, 08:54 AM
"And did so in the Pac10..." (snicker, snicker). I would think, now that a Pac10team is favored to win the national championship, that the continued "looking down our noses at the Pac10" thing would come to an end. Which SEC team do you think would have beat Stanford yesterday?

Thats one hell of a straw man you're trying to set up there.

This year the SEC has 10 teams playing in a bowl game.

The PAC 10? Only 4 were eligible.

Totally comparable overall talent level in these two conferences right? I mean Tebow beating up on LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, Auburn et al is the same as Luck beating up on Cal, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, etc..

Rohirrim
01-04-2011, 08:59 AM
Thats one hell of a straw man you're trying to set up there.

This year the SEC has 10 teams playing in a bowl game.

The PAC 10? Only 4 were eligible.

Totally comparable overall talent level in these two conferences right? I mean Tebow beating up on LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, Auburn et al is the same as Luck beating up on Cal, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, etc..

And Urban succeeded the same way in the SEC the year previous to Tebow with Chris Leak. Maybe it's the system? ;D

2KBack
01-04-2011, 09:04 AM
And Urban succeeded the same way in the SEC the year previous to Tebow with Chris Leak. Maybe it's the system? ;D

Totally could be, how did Florida do this year without Timmay?

BTW-I'm an ASU guy,I enjoy Pac-10.

Drek
01-04-2011, 09:09 AM
And Urban succeeded the same way in the SEC the year previous to Tebow with Chris Leak. Maybe it's the system? ;D

Except Tebow has already shown that his athleticism, arm, and delivery carry over to the NFL level against two top defenses. Or that he grossly outperformed every QB Meyer has ever had in his offense, including former #1 overall pick, two year starter, three year collegian, Mr. All Scouts Pick Alex Smith.

If what we've seen from Tebow in December is the starting point for a "3-4 year project" then that is pretty damn amazing. A rookie facing two of the league's best defenses and putting up the 2nd and 3rd best rushing performances in Denver QB history along with an 82 QB rating and a positive TD:INT ratio.

This while Mike McCoy is calling plays, Moreno has been in and out of games, and the defense in complete shambles.

Rohirrim
01-04-2011, 09:18 AM
Except Tebow has already shown that his athleticism, arm, and delivery carry over to the NFL level against two top defenses. Or that he grossly outperformed every QB Meyer has ever had in his offense, including former #1 overall pick, two year starter, three year collegian, Mr. All Scouts Pick Alex Smith.

If what we've seen from Tebow in December is the starting point for a "3-4 year project" then that is pretty damn amazing. A rookie facing two of the league's best defenses and putting up the 2nd and 3rd best rushing performances in Denver QB history along with an 82 QB rating and a positive TD:INT ratio.

This while Mike McCoy is calling plays, Moreno has been in and out of games, and the defense in complete shambles.

Actually, it's all the rushing that worries me. How long is that going to last? Sooner or later he will find himself in situation where he must play from the pocket. Tebow is very exciting to watch. I agree. Can he become an elite, NFL QB that we can build a dynasty around? That's what I want.

Anyway, with CU going to the Pac12, I'm tired of the all the slurs. USC hasn't done so badly over the last ten years. Stanford, with their academic restrictions, is an amazing story. If you want to laugh at a conference, pick the Big Ten. ;D

Garcia Bronco
01-04-2011, 09:30 AM
Actually, it's all the rushing that worries me. How long is that going to last? Sooner or later he will find himself in situation where he must play from the pocket. Tebow is very exciting to watch. I agree. Can he become an elite, NFL QB that we can build a dynasty around? That's what I want.

Anyway, with CU going to the Pac12, I'm tired of the all the slurs. USC hasn't done so badly over the last ten years. Stanford, with their academic restrictions, is an amazing story. If you want to laugh at a conference, pick the Big Ten. ;D

You just don't get it. It's like you are a dinosaur. Too old, fat, slow, and facing extinction. The only thing that matters is that you win. I feel confident though that as time goes on he'll do more from behind the LOS because he can. He's a rookie, and rookies that can run the ball from under center; run the ball

ColoradoDarin
01-04-2011, 09:45 AM
"And did so in the Pac10..." (snicker, snicker). I would think, now that a Pac10team is favored to win the national championship, that the continued "looking down our noses at the Pac10" thing would come to an end. Which SEC team do you think would have beat Stanford yesterday?

Heck, I'd even take Mississippi State (Gatorbowl was a fun game to go to and the weather was beautiful)

Drek
01-04-2011, 10:20 AM
Actually, it's all the rushing that worries me. How long is that going to last? Sooner or later he will find himself in situation where he must play from the pocket. Tebow is very exciting to watch. I agree. Can he become an elite, NFL QB that we can build a dynasty around? That's what I want.

Anyway, with CU going to the Pac12, I'm tired of the all the slurs. USC hasn't done so badly over the last ten years. Stanford, with their academic restrictions, is an amazing story. If you want to laugh at a conference, pick the Big Ten. ;D

Tebow is better in the pocket right now than Vick was up to his first departure from the NFL, Vince Young has ever been, Jake Plummer ever was, etc..

Trying to discredit him because he's inarguably the second most gifted runner to ever play QB (behind Vick) and makes use of that skill is foolish. If anything these three weeks have shown us that his freakish athleticism will be a benefit towards his pocket play, much like it benefits Roethslithberger, by being able to shrug off and avoid sack attempts longer than other QBs before he needs to bail out and leave the pocket or throw the ball away.

Tebow in three weeks of being a starting QB has dispelled the vast majority of the knocks on him coming out of college. Imagine what he could do with a capable coaching staff who he gets to spend an off-season learning and working with on how to best design an offense around him. He is a well spring of massive untapped potential.

As for the original debate. USC has had a nice run. Stanford is having a nice one right now. Colorado wouldn't even approach a .500 record in the SEC. Nor would about 3/4ths of that entire conference. That is my point. Playing in the SEC means every week of conference play (the bulk of the collegiate schedule) you're facing future NFL talent. In the PAC 10 you just can't say that. I don't think teams like Oregon or Stanford, who go out and do well against SEC, ACC, Big Ten, and Big 12 teams shouldn't get the props they deserve. But when looking at a player's production in college you need to view it through the lens of who they were competing against. When Tebow ran out of the pocket against Tennessee he trucked future top 5 pick Eric Berry. When Luck does that against some kid from the PAC-10 who never gets even a cup of coffee in the NFL you need to keep in mind that you aren't comparing apples to apples with what Tebow did in college.

BroncosSR
01-04-2011, 10:49 AM
Tebow in three weeks of being a starting QB has dispelled the vast majority of the knocks on him coming out of college. Imagine what he could do with a capable coaching staff who he gets to spend an off-season learning and working with on how to best design an offense around him. He is a well spring of massive untapped potential.

Exactly how has he done that in 2+ games. I'll give him a flier on the Raiders game because he was stifled by McCoy. I don't think he's dispelled the fact that his accuracy isn't there. Especially this past game.

Texans: 16-29
SD: 16-36

Agamemnon
01-04-2011, 11:01 AM
Exactly how has he done that in 2+ games. I'll give him a flier on the Raiders game because he was stifled by McCoy. I don't think he's dispelled the fact that his accuracy isn't there. Especially this past game.

Texans: 16-29
SD: 16-36

So he completes 70% of his passes in his Senior year in college and people say that doesn't mean he's accurate. Then he has a low completion percentage in his first 3 starts and that means he's inaccurate? You do realize that the low completion percentage is primarily the result of the coaches telling him to throw the ball away if he isn't sure right? I mean the guy is throwing 10 passes away every game so he can minimize stupid rookie mistakes. But it's inaccuracy right?

Drek
01-04-2011, 11:15 AM
Exactly how has he done that in 2+ games. I'll give him a flier on the Raiders game because he was stifled by McCoy. I don't think he's dispelled the fact that his accuracy isn't there. Especially this past game.

Texans: 16-29
SD: 16-36

Because more than completion rate goes into determining if a QB is accurate enough for the NFL. McCoy's offense has basically been the "Tebow runs, Moreno/Ball runs, or Tebow throws it deep" gameplan for three weeks. A quarter of Tebow's completions have gone for 20+ yards for example. Rather aberrant number there, no?

And the counter to your numbers is that in the pre-season he played significant time in three games with a completion percentage of 64%. No one is trying to treat that as a definite positive indicator that he'll succeed either.

to that end, citing the 'accuracy' knock and then using completion percentage is a joke in the first place since his completion percentage in college was off the charts. The more legitimate negative scouts pointed out was if he'd have the precision and arm strength to make all the throws needed at the NFL level. He has shown that ability already even in the limited offense McCoy has been running.

You put him in something other than a mediocre vanilla offense where he actually got to take first team reps for a legitimate amount of time and you'd see a completely different end result.

Garcia Bronco
01-04-2011, 11:25 AM
Exactly how has he done that in 2+ games. I'll give him a flier on the Raiders game because he was stifled by McCoy. I don't think he's dispelled the fact that his accuracy isn't there. Especially this past game.

Texans: 16-29
SD: 16-36

I watched him in training camp on several occasions. He's very accurate.

Rohirrim
01-04-2011, 12:42 PM
Tebow is better in the pocket right now than Vick was up to his first departure from the NFL, Vince Young has ever been, Jake Plummer ever was, etc..

Trying to discredit him because he's inarguably the second most gifted runner to ever play QB (behind Vick) and makes use of that skill is foolish. If anything these three weeks have shown us that his freakish athleticism will be a benefit towards his pocket play, much like it benefits Roethslithberger, by being able to shrug off and avoid sack attempts longer than other QBs before he needs to bail out and leave the pocket or throw the ball away.

Tebow in three weeks of being a starting QB has dispelled the vast majority of the knocks on him coming out of college. Imagine what he could do with a capable coaching staff who he gets to spend an off-season learning and working with on how to best design an offense around him. He is a well spring of massive untapped potential.

As for the original debate. USC has had a nice run. Stanford is having a nice one right now. Colorado wouldn't even approach a .500 record in the SEC. Nor would about 3/4ths of that entire conference. That is my point. Playing in the SEC means every week of conference play (the bulk of the collegiate schedule) you're facing future NFL talent. In the PAC 10 you just can't say that. I don't think teams like Oregon or Stanford, who go out and do well against SEC, ACC, Big Ten, and Big 12 teams shouldn't get the props they deserve. But when looking at a player's production in college you need to view it through the lens of who they were competing against. When Tebow ran out of the pocket against Tennessee he trucked future top 5 pick Eric Berry. When Luck does that against some kid from the PAC-10 who never gets even a cup of coffee in the NFL you need to keep in mind that you aren't comparing apples to apples with what Tebow did in college.

Is a run first spread going to work in the NFL? As a base offense? Sooner or later we'll run into a TCU style 40 front nickle and a bunch of really fast dbacks who will force Tebow to take a three step drop and throw quick slants out of the pocket. Can he do that? For an 80 yard drive? How many run first QBs have made it in the NFL? Vince Young, Alex Smith, Dennis Dixon, Chris Leak, Omar Jacobs, D.J. Shockley, Tee Martin, Akili Smith, etc.? And trucking Eric Perry in college isn't the same as trying to truck James Harrison in the pros. Tebow is built like a LB himself, but how much of an NFL pounding can he take? Or do we want him to take?

But he's only had three games so it's too early to judge. I'm not ready to jump on board yet. He looked kind of lost to me and was making up for it with athleticism and grit. More power to him. Like I said elsewhere, if I see him pull off something like The Drive in that important of a game, I'll be all in. We've got a season to see what he's got. Hopefully, we can give him a defense, or at least some part of one.

I think the PAC10 is moving beyond its old, hapless days. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see them beat the SEC champ and take the title next week. They have a better D, and that should do the trick.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 02:10 PM
tebow = project (albiet one that looks good)

luck = no one overall pick and best looking QB to come out since Stratford, and possibly better. The combine figures on arm strength will be interesting.

The idea that Tebow is a project has already been disproven.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 02:11 PM
"And did so in the Pac10..." (snicker, snicker). I would think, now that a Pac10team is favored to win the national championship, that the continued "looking down our noses at the Pac10" thing would come to an end. Which SEC team do you think would have beat Stanford yesterday?

Nearly all of them.

Seriously, guy. Stick your head out of the butt of the west coast and watch some other football.

peacepipe
01-04-2011, 02:12 PM
The idea that Tebow is a project has already been disproven.Bullsh!t!

Rohirrim
01-04-2011, 02:13 PM
Nearly all of them.

Seriously, guy. Stick your head out of the butt of the west coast and watch some other football.

Quit following me around, ass wipe.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 02:30 PM
Quit following me around, ass wipe.

Um...you may want to make that statement in a thread that I did not create.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 02:35 PM
Bull****!

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=95960

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-04-2011, 02:57 PM
The idea that Tebow is a project has already been disproven.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?

So every question about Tebow -- his slow release, desire to run from trouble, the fact that he looks BEHIND HIM while he should be looking down field -- isn't actually a question?

Level with us Llama: It's because he loves Jesus, isn't it?

If you love Jesus, you're not a project.

Noted.

Rascal
01-04-2011, 02:57 PM
We can dispense with the Luck talk. He is going to Carolina if he declares, which Elway even said he should do.

Arkie
01-04-2011, 03:38 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=95960

In addition, Tebow outperformed all six of the pro bowl QBs in their first three starts. Phillip Rivers starts were in his 3rd year. Brady and Brees in their 2nd. He even out-rushed Vick in yards and TDs. What else can he prove in only three games?

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 03:41 PM
In addition, Tebow outperformed all six of the pro bowl QBs in their first three starts. Phillip Rivers starts were in his 3rd year. Brady and Brees in their 2nd. He even out-rushed Vick in yards and TDs. What else can he prove in only three games?

A guy that racks up accomplishments like Tebow is already doing in the NFL continues to rack up accomplishments throughout their career.

He came in and became an instant impact player.

The talk of him being a project is waaay overblown, and should be counted as hyperbole at this point.

peacepipe
01-04-2011, 03:43 PM
A guy that racks up accomplishments like Tebow is already doing in the NFL continues to rack up accomplishments throughout their career.

He came in and became an instant impact player.

The talk of him being a project is waaay overblown, and should be counted as hyperbole at this point.

you want hyperbole start reading your own posts.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 03:49 PM
you want hyperbole start reading your own posts.

There was nothing but data analysis in that post.

maven
01-04-2011, 03:56 PM
Looks like Carolina is going to take Luck if he comes out. Oh well.

Likwid Kerruj
01-04-2011, 04:08 PM
Gamesmanship

maven
01-04-2011, 04:10 PM
The idea that Tebow is a project has already been disproven.

Hilarious!

Seriously?

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 04:36 PM
Seriously?

Did you happen to look at the hard data?

Agamemnon
01-04-2011, 04:54 PM
Did you happen to look at the hard data?

With a sophisticated response like that, what do you think?

Boltjolt
01-04-2011, 07:12 PM
Andrew Luck is a project.

He has a questionable release, often throwing fluttering ducks.

When he throws, he pushes the ball...alot like Rivers.

He throws off of his back foot under pressure, and when he does that he floats the ball a little.

He locks on to his primary receivers.

He makes some immature decisions to try to extend plays with his feet rather than to throw the ball away when throwing it away would be a better choice.

He throws picks.

He wears a knee brace for some reason, which needs to be explored.

He earned his statistics in a weak conference against weak defenses.

He appears to have a sheepish, bland, Griese-esque personality...can he be a leader of men at the next level?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Okay.

You're stirred up and agitated and ready to spit venom all over this thread. Thats okay, but hang in there with me for a second. I don't believe that any of the things that I wrote above will prevent Luck from being successful. I think that he'll be a success in the pros. He may even be a sparkling success. He has ability and could end up winning 10 straight MVP's and 10-straight superbowls, right? Okay. I'm not a hater. I think that he has an obvious aptitude for QB..

However, there are questions with any rookie QB. Every rookie QB. They are a roll of the dice, a spin on the wheel. A guess. An educated guess. A toss up. An expensive toss up.

Just like any rookie, Andrew Luck is a project. He is a player to be developed. Whether that takes a year, two years, or never happens is anyone's guess.

There is no such thing as a sure thing.

This is kinda of funny. Sure he has things to work on. What Rookie QB doesnt? Tebow had a huge list himself just to satisfy those at the combine with his throwing motion, his own footwork and being a running QB and looks like he went back to his old throwing motion.

I did notice Lucks footwork when he throws could be better. He dont step into a lot of them and his ball doesnt have a lot of zip but those are easily correctable.

Hey it is college. They arent NFL caliber defenses and one of those conference defenses your bagging on is playing the the national Championship.

Luck just sredded a defense that was playning well and had won 10 straight games. But then again as i said, its college and why guys like Andre Ware, Leaf, Carr and plenty of others light it up and then bust in the NFL. Steve Young and Jim McMahan had good careers coming from a bad conference.

Theres more to players than what conference they are coming from.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 07:25 PM
This is kinda of funny. Sure he has things to work on. What Rookie QB doesnt? Tebow had a huge list himself just to satisfy those at the combine with his throwing motion, his own footwork and being a running QB and looks like he went back to his old throwing motion.

I did notice Lucks footwork when he throws could be better. He dont step into a lot of them and his ball doesnt have a lot of zip but those are easily correctable.

Hey it is college. They arent NFL caliber defenses and one of those conference defenses your bagging on is playing the the national Championship.

Luck just sredded a defense that was playning well and had won 10 straight games. But then again as i said, its college and why guys like Andre Ware, Leaf, Carr and plenty of others light it up and then bust in the NFL. Steve Young and Jim McMahan had good careers coming from a bad conference.

Theres more to players than what conference they are coming from.

I dont disagree with anything you said.

Gutless Drunk
01-04-2011, 08:13 PM
http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/statuses/22160143487598592



27836



That should settle it.

epicSocialism4tw
01-04-2011, 08:14 PM
http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/statuses/22160143487598592



27836



That should settle it.

What the heck is that? Ha!

Dudeskey
01-04-2011, 08:54 PM
Looks like Carolina is going to take Luck if he comes out. Oh well.

They get the next Brady Quinn? Awww shucks