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cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 06:54 PM
Draft him Broncos! This kid would be so good for Tebow. IMO Tebow will need RBs and TEs who can catch the football and make plays for him. We have 2 2nd round picks so I think we can go defense and still take this guy in the top of the 2nd round. He's like a bigger better version of Scheffler. I love how he snatches the ball out of the air like it's easy for him.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 06:57 PM
Here we go again. So, you want Peterson with the first pick and Rudolph with the next pick. And I guess thats because the defensive linemen in the mid 2nd and 3rd are as good as who is there earlier.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 07:05 PM
I think Broncos can realistically have a shot at getting Jared Crick de/dt from Nebraska with the 2nd rounder from Miami. I think he's better for a 3-4 then either Darius or Fairley. Also the NT types can't go that high in the first or 2nd really. So if we are switching to a 4-3 then I say draft Dareus. If not then draft Peterson with the first, Rudolph with the 2nd, Crick with other 2nd. If you think that wouldn't be a good draft I think you are crazy. If anything Rudolph goes before we pick in 2nd and it's all moot. He's that good. Some good team low in the first round will take him and he will be a stud.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 07:10 PM
We could take Bowers I guess but isn't he a 4-3 end?

brncs_fan
01-03-2011, 08:37 PM
Rudolph is a solid TE from watching him play at ND. Not sure how well his game translates to the pros though. I would put him a shade below Fasano (another TE from ND).

If not then draft Peterson with the first, Rudolph with the 2nd, Crick with other 2nd. If you think that wouldn't be a good draft I think you are crazy. If anything Rudolph goes before we pick in 2nd and it's all moot. He's that good. Some good team low in the first round will take him and he will be a stud.

According to our discussion the other night anything short of taking a d-lineman with every pick in the draft would be a failure.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 08:51 PM
Draft him Broncos! This kid would be so good for Tebow. IMO Tebow will need RBs and TEs who can catch the football and make plays for him. We have 2 2nd round picks so I think we can go defense and still take this guy in the top of the 2nd round. He's like a bigger better version of Scheffler. I love how he snatches the ball out of the air like it's easy for him.
In this D-line rich draft it makes no sense to take anything other than that past the #2 pick. We can fill up to 3, possibly even four front 7 spots and get at least two highly rated D-line guys, or we could use those two #2's to move up high enough to get a guy like Paea if it's true he's going higher than we thought. But whatever we do we need the flexibility to move and get the guys we want. TE would be nice too but we can't address anything in this draft other than defense. Unless something crazy happens and the Heisman runner from Alabama slides to us in the 2nd...but barring that kind of unlikely event, it should be Patrick Peterson and D-line only if we can possibly do so.

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 09:19 PM
If Rudolph slips to our #2...I'd pull the trigger in a heart-beat. This kid is a difference maker and would be the perfect safety valve for Tim Tebow.

Think Jason Witten! And by the way...he most likely won't make it out of the 1st round!

This team needs a stud TE...we are devoid of talent at that spot!!! I say...spend all the rest of our picks on Defense...but if Rudolph is their at #34...we should take him and not think twice about it!

Broncos4Life
01-03-2011, 09:33 PM
If Rudolph slips to our #2...I'd pull the trigger in a heart-beat. This kid is a difference maker and would be the perfect safety valve for Tim Tebow.

Think Jason Witten! And by the way...he most likely won't make it out of the 1st round!

This team needs a stud TE...we are devoid of talent at that spot!!! I say...spend all the rest of our picks on Defense...but if Rudolph is their at #34...we should take him and not think twice about it!

I 2nd this. Hes just the guy we need to help out Tebow. I didn't even know we carried TE's on the roster anymore. Don't ever remember a year like this one concerning our TE's. I'm also not against moving up to nab him a few spot earlier. Say.... in the mid to late 20's.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 09:56 PM
exactly some people get it. This kid likely does go bottom of round one. We have tons of holes. Anyone who thinks the only problem is defensive line is crazy. We could use stud lbs, safetys, cbs, te's, rbs, og, oc, punt returner, DT, DE etc etc etc.

Rudolph is going to be a very good football player and we have 3 really good first day picks. It would be ok to go defense on 2 of them and a TE on another. Rudolph is that good. He could be a difference maker that send our offense into the really hard to stop category.

265 pounds, runs good routes, is fast, has great hands and can block. He's perfect for tebow.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 10:00 PM
We have a possible hole at RB also, should we move up to draft the Alabama kid instead of trying to get our D-line fixed? I'd much rather focus where we know for once the strength of the draft perfectly benefits us...with D-line guys. Why waste the opportunity to fix your entire defensive line in one draft if the opportunity is there to do so? We might need a TE now but we need trench help much more.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 10:18 PM
When your team has tons of holes there is no reason to pigeon hole your draft. We should look to add defensive lineman but we could use some great linebackers, safetys, cbs, te's just as bad. I doubt that a situation arises where one position, defensive line, is the BPA every time you pick in the draft. It would be stupid to draft another Jarvis Moss because you wanted dline.

Rudolph is a blue chipper and would look fantastic in the Orange and Blue. Hell footsteps he would be your favorite rookie and fast.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 10:19 PM
Also I don't think RB near as weak as TE. Moreno, Buck are very avg but better then Quinn Graham I think. I don't really like Ingram that much though and don't see us in a good position to draft him.

Rudolph though could be hanging around at the end of the first round. With a high 2nd round pick we could maybe make a move.

Later after he has scored about 60 tds you would like the pick.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 10:24 PM
When your team has tons of holes there is no reason to pigeon hole your draft. We should look to add defensive lineman but we could use some great linebackers, safetys, cbs, te's just as bad. I doubt that a situation arises where one position, defensive line, is the BPA every time you pick in the draft. It would be stupid to draft another Jarvis Moss because you wanted dline.
Where I think your analogy breaks down is that Moss was a reach in a weak D-line draft. This draft is full of good D-line candidates and it's hardly a reach in any round...maybe a slight one but only a slight one. If you've got D-line talent projected heavy in every round, no round where you pick one would it be considered a reach. We can legitimately rebuild the entire D-line in this draft, especailly if we manage to have one of these guys fall to us at the 36 spot without having to trade up. Suddenly we get Elvis back next year, Ayers has another year to develop and we get to see what a couple or three 2nd or 3rd round guys in a D-line rich draft can do for this line. Add in new defensive coaches instead of the crap we've had the last five years...this defense wlil probably stil struggle with rookies but a year down the road we're much better.
Rudolph is a blue chipper and would look fantastic in the Orange and Blue. Hell footsteps he would be your favorite rookie and fast.
Maybe...but if we move up or spend a 2nd on him at this particular time I won't be happy. I'd rather stock this D and do nothing but that this time around.

strafen
01-03-2011, 10:30 PM
I love to have some TE's on our stable.
We only have 6 picks going into this year's draft.
More than half those 6 picks we would hope will go to the defense.

Some pass catching TE's would be a nice addition...

Archer81
01-03-2011, 10:31 PM
Ive watched some ND games. Denver could do worse than take a flier on Rudolph in the 3rd if he is there. This offseason will be interesting.


:Broncos:

schaaf
01-03-2011, 10:38 PM
This free agency is going to be full of good tight ends.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 10:59 PM
This free agency is going to be full of good tight ends.

those lists never look as good after all the teams resign players. One interesting player would be Zach Miller in Oakland. Also Micheal Bush a nice big RB and is also a FA. There could be a chance Oak cant make a deal for all there FA.

Still though Id be interested to see your list of the plethora of TE available this yr is FA.

schaaf
01-03-2011, 11:46 PM
Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team
TE Kevin Boss UFA New York Giants Free Agent
TE Brent Celek Re-signed Philadelphia Eagles Philadelphia Eagles
TE Owen Daniels UFA Houston Texans Free Agent
TE Vernon Davis UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent
TE John Gilmore UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent
TE Dan Gronkowski UFA Denver Broncos Free Agent
TE Marcedes Lewis UFA Jacksonville Jaguars Free Agent
TE Randy McMichael UFA San Diego Chargers Free Agent
TE Zach Miller UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent
TE Dante Rosario UFA Carolina Panthers Free Agent
TE Bo Scaife UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent
TE Stephen Spach UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent
TE Jerramy Stevens UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent
TE Ernest Wilford UFA Jacksonville Jaguars Free Agent
TE Kellen Winslow UFA Cleveland Browns Free Agent



Here is the list of Free Agents going into the offseason.
Granted many will be resigned but there should be a few that leave their teams.

Cutthemdown, I do agree with you that we need a receiving tight end BADLY. I see Tebow flourishing with a good receiving TE.

broncocalijohn
01-03-2011, 11:49 PM
I love to have some TE's on our stable.
We only have 6 picks going into this year's draft.
More than half those 6 picks we would hope will go to the defense.

Some pass catching TE's would be a nice addition...

not at our 2nd or 3rd pick. Good to know Cut is one of the few that wants to go offense and not of a QB. **** TE that high. What good is that difference maker when we have stud receivers that can do the job offensively? We need defense, front 7, in the first 3 picks. Good TE have been picked farther down the draft very often (like our Sharpe and Chamberlian). Dont be screwing up our game plan Cut! Anyways, McD got us a very studly TE in Quinn. He even can catch a pass (yes, one pass).

Requiem
01-03-2011, 11:52 PM
Here we go again. So, you want Peterson with the first pick and Rudolph with the next pick. And I guess thats because the defensive linemen in the mid 2nd and 3rd are as good as who is there earlier.

You are a clown.

The team isn't going to fill all its needs in the draft, nor do it in one year. Rudolph isn't my ideal selection in the second, but he is worth it there to a team that has no pass catching threat at TE and will be changing to a scheme where they will likely have value, as most due, outside of what Josh was running here.

People here want DL, but for you to keep trumpeting that we fail if it isn't a selection every time is false, and it is getting pretty damn annoying, but that is what you are good for Lex.

broncocalijohn
01-03-2011, 11:57 PM
You are a clown.

The team isn't going to fill all its needs in the draft, nor do it in one year. Rudolph isn't my ideal selection in the second, but he is worth it there to a team that has no pass catching threat at TE and will be changing to a scheme where they will likely have value, as most due, outside of what Josh was running here.

People here want DL, but for you to keep trumpeting that we fail if it isn't a selection every time is false, and it is getting pretty damn annoying, but that is what you are good for Lex.

I thought lex was vercin..... or did that one get banned too?

Requiem
01-04-2011, 12:04 AM
I thought lex was vercin..... or did that one get banned too?

OrangeSe7en's account started the day after Vercing stopped posting. Their grammar is similar, as well as their takes on players and the draft. Given that, I wouldn't be surprised, but then again I don't have an IP logger like the moderators can see to confirm this. I just think it is a little odd. Perhaps I shouldn't judge, but where there is smoke, there is fire.

On a side note, arguing for getting a TE in free agency would is a good plan, that way you save the pick in the draft. In that list, there are quite a few quality tight ends, some of which are likely to be snapped up and re-signed. However, I wouldn't doubt that some of those players would like a change of scenery.

Bo Scaife isn't a top-tier player on the list, but he provides a better receiving threat than Quinn and Graham, and what might lure him here is being from Denver. Maybe he'd like to come back home? It is a possibility, but there are 5-8 tight ends who are easy upgrades in FA over who we have now.

We shall see.

I like the FA better, now that the full list was given.

OBF1
01-04-2011, 03:20 AM
exactly some people get it. This kid likely does go bottom of round one. We have tons of holes. Anyone who thinks the only problem is defensive line is crazy. We could use stud lbs, safetys, cbs, te's, rbs, og, oc, punt returner, DT, DE etc etc etc.

Rudolph is going to be a very good football player and we have 3 really good first day picks. It would be ok to go defense on 2 of them and a TE on another. Rudolph is that good. He could be a difference maker that send our offense into the really hard to stop category.

265 pounds, runs good routes, is fast, has great hands and can block. He's perfect for tebow.

Auhhhh, hate to break this to you, but we only have 1 (one) day 1 pick unless we get a 1st round pick for Orton.

Round 1 Thursday April 28

Round 2 and 3 Friday April 29

ColoradoDarin
01-04-2011, 04:50 AM
I'd only be okay with this if we got another 2nd for Orton, or we trade down from #2 and pick up another 2nd (or both!). We do need TE, but I'd rather go F/A with someone like Miller from Oakland. I'd also love to sign Michael Bush for RB depth and not have to worry about that in the draft either, then the only offense we should draft is late round OT for depth.

~Crash~
01-04-2011, 08:40 AM
I think Broncos can realistically have a shot at getting Jared Crick de/dt from Nebraska with the 2nd rounder from Miami. I think he's better for a 3-4 then either Darius or Fairley. Also the NT types can't go that high in the first or 2nd really. So if we are switching to a 4-3 then I say draft Dareus. If not then draft Peterson with the first, Rudolph with the 2nd, Crick with other 2nd. If you think that wouldn't be a good draft I think you are crazy. If anything Rudolph goes before we pick in 2nd and it's all moot. He's that good. Some good team low in the first round will take him and he will be a stud.

Dareus is a five Technique for bama..just saying

Smiling Assassin27
01-04-2011, 08:51 AM
Rudolph is a solid TE from watching him play at ND. Not sure how well his game translates to the pros though. I would put him a shade below Fasano (another TE from ND).



According to our discussion the other night anything short of taking a d-lineman with every pick in the draft would be a failure.

This.

All the ND guys are interchangeable, really. Fasano, Carlson, Rudolph...They can run reasonably well, block reasonably well, and have good hands. They all will be productive but not elite TE's in teh league.

meangene
01-05-2011, 04:01 PM
Irish Illustrated is reporting Rudolph is declaring for the draft and has already hired an agent. He was advised he would be the top rated TE.

BroncoSojia
01-05-2011, 04:13 PM
You are a clown.

The team isn't going to fill all its needs in the draft, nor do it in one year. Rudolph isn't my ideal selection in the second, but he is worth it there to a team that has no pass catching threat at TE and will be changing to a scheme where they will likely have value, as most due, outside of what Josh was running here.

People here want DL, but for you to keep trumpeting that we fail if it isn't a selection every time is false, and it is getting pretty damn annoying, but that is what you are good for Lex.

Yeah I'm getting sick of this "DL with all our picks" crap. We need help at just about every position on our team, we were 4-12 for a reason.

Btw one draft is not going to solve all our problems, it's going to take multiple years to fix this mess. We need quality players, whether it's on the dline, at CB, safety, LB, TE, or RB.

Drek
01-05-2011, 04:14 PM
Rudolph is a solid TE from watching him play at ND. Not sure how well his game translates to the pros though. I would put him a shade below Fasano (another TE from ND).

He's on a different planet athletically than Fasano.

Rudolph is a 6'6", 265 pound freak of an athlete. Great at catching the ball away from his body, very fast down field, and fights for position as well as any receiving TE you'll find.

He hasn't been asked to do a ton of blocking because he's such a good WR, so I don't think he holds up to Fasano in that role. But if we want a big target for Tebow to work with he's a pretty excellent choice.

I'd be surprised if he didn't go somewhere around the middle of the second round, possibly climbing into the first if he blows up the combine, a real possibility.

illbroncsfn
01-05-2011, 04:16 PM
Drek- I take it you are an Eric Olsen fan.... Any insights on his progression this year other than 16 game day inactives....

Drek
01-05-2011, 04:19 PM
Drek- I take it you are an Eric Olsen fan.... Any insights on his progression this year other than 16 game day inactives....

No idea, other than him beating out Seth Olsen for a roster spot. With Walton and Beadles both healthy it pretty well blocked Eric Olsen out from getting much of a chance to play. It'll be interesting to see how he looks in camp this year though.

listopencil
01-05-2011, 04:21 PM
Auhhhh, hate to break this to you, but we only have 1 (one) day 1 pick unless we get a 1st round pick for Orton.

Round 1 Thursday April 28

Round 2 and 3 Friday April 29


That sucks, I was hoping rounds one and two were going to be combined in Day One.

cutthemdown
01-05-2011, 04:49 PM
Dareus is a five Technique for bama..just saying

I just don't see him worth the 2nd pick in the draft to play dend in a 3-4.

broncogary
01-05-2011, 05:27 PM
This.

All the ND guys are interchangeable, really. Fasano, Carlson, Rudolph...They can run reasonably well, block reasonably well, and have good hands. They all will be productive but not elite TE's in teh league.

Just like Dave Casper. :wiggle:

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-05-2011, 07:25 PM
Look short of he's 6'7" 270lbs 4.2 in the 40, run routes on water, and can catch footballs in the dark with a black cat on his forehead. I don't want to hear about a TE.

Taco John
01-05-2011, 07:36 PM
Lex.


I think you're barking up the wrong tree... (maybe not, but it's an original IP)

brncs_fan
01-05-2011, 07:47 PM
He's on a different planet athletically than Fasano.

Rudolph is a 6'6", 265 pound freak of an athlete. Great at catching the ball away from his body, very fast down field, and fights for position as well as any receiving TE you'll find.

He hasn't been asked to do a ton of blocking because he's such a good WR, so I don't think he holds up to Fasano in that role. But if we want a big target for Tebow to work with he's a pretty excellent choice.

I'd be surprised if he didn't go somewhere around the middle of the second round, possibly climbing into the first if he blows up the combine, a real possibility.

I was looking at the whole body of his TE work compared to Fasano so the blocking is what dropped him in my book. He may work really well in the NFL in a role similar to what Indy does with Dallas Clark. I think if you are looking for someone who can both catch and block you aren't going to find a dominant TE though.

I hope I am wrong though.

Requiem
01-05-2011, 07:56 PM
I think you're barking up the wrong tree... (maybe not, but it's an original IP)

Doesn't mean it isn't the same person, even with an original IP.

Drek
01-05-2011, 08:01 PM
I was looking at the whole body of his TE work compared to Fasano so the blocking is what dropped him in my book. He may work really well in the NFL in a role similar to what Indy does with Dallas Clark. I think if you are looking for someone who can both catch and block you aren't going to find a dominant TE though.

I hope I am wrong though.

Fasano is just a limited NFL guy because no matter how hard he works he's not an elite athlete at the NFL level. A solid starter who'll give you 100% every game? Sure. But not a game changer. He's a high floor, low ceiling type.

If someone could coach up a bit more blocking skill out of Rudolph he'd have all world TE potential. He's very similar to Rob Gronkowski, only he actually played his last year of college ball. I wouldn't be surprised if he performs as good or better than Gronkowksi at the combine as well. He'll likely wind up a late 1st/early 2nd TE.

Hamrob
01-05-2011, 08:04 PM
I already posted earlier that I would snag Rudolph in a heartbeat at #34 if he's available. But, let me expand on my thoughts just a tad:

1. Tebow needs a TE. Yes, we have great WR's...but, Tebow needs to work on timing and accuracy. The TE is a QB's friend...their a safety valve and someone that is always going to be right there in the middle 10yds out...running the seems. Ala Shannan Sharpe for Elway...Jason Witten for Romo. We don't have this in Quinn or Graham...although, I think Graham is worth his paycheck in the blocking category.

In Free Agency...(on the list already posted) the only special players, are:

Vernon Davis
Kelen Winsolw
Zach Miller (maybe)

Outside of those 3...we might as well use our $$$ on other needs. Kyle Rudolph is special. He's a "BLUE CHIP" prospect at TE (one of our biggest needs).

We need to hit home runs on each of our top 3 picks.................Meaning:

We need to draft 3-BLUE CHIP prospects...regardless of what position...when are number is called. We should have no problem with that goal at #2 (Peterson, Fairley, Dareus are studs). At #34, we need to make sure we hit gold (Heyward, Pea, LeShoure, Rudolph etc.).

When you look at BPA when we get to #34...if Kyle Rudolph is there....you've got to take him. On many boards he is ranked in the top 15-20 in the draft. The kid is a stud...he's the next Witten...as much as Luck is the next Manning.