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strafen
01-03-2011, 04:53 PM
I feel like this is a bonus game for us Broncos fans for many reasons.

Andrew Luck plays in the Orange Bowl in about 25 minutes on ESPN.
Stanford plays Virginia Tech

This is a chance to see the much talked about college QB going into this year's draft.
I personally haven't seen the guy play aside from highlight clips.
We should be able to see what could be at stake for us.

Don't get me wrong, I love Tebow and wouldn't mind one bit if we decide to go with him.
I don't want to make this a Tebow vs. Luck thread either.

Just simply a chance to discuss a player that the media wouldn't blame anyone taking even if it means passing on your team most pressing needs.

Elway will be an honorary captain for Stanford in this game and I'm sure he would want to take a final look at Luck and possibly a talk with Harbaugh.

A lot to look forward on this game! :strong:
It'll be cool if they (ESPN) elaborate some about Elways presence at this game, his new title with the team, and the fact we're shopping for a headcoach...

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 04:57 PM
I'm waiting for Jim Harabaugh to just impress the crap out of me with brilliant coaching moves, timely shifts in strategic approach, clever nuanced adjustments and inspired motivation driving his young charges to a huge win so I can see what all this fuss is about.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:00 PM
I feel ...(sniff) like this whole board is against the Hokies

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 05:00 PM
Barring an insane trade up that would doom our defense to remain terrible for several more years, I fail to see how Luck's play affects Broncos fans...

I suppose Harbaugh's coaching might be something to watch. And the scheme he runs as well.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:02 PM
i posted this in the college thread. if it meams something to you. I give it great weight


"I ve coached against Brett Favre, McNabb, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan in college; None of them are as good as Andrew Luck."

-Bud Foster, Virginia Tech Defensive Coordinator.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 05:03 PM
i posted this in the college thread. if it meams something to you. I give it great weight


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"I ve coached against Brett Favre, McNabb, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan in college; None of them are as good as Andrew Luck."

-Bud Foster, Virginia Tech Defensive Coordinator.

As college QBs? Sure I can theoretically accept that. Doesn't mean he'll be better or even as good as those guys in the NFL.

I mean if we're just comparing guys as college QBs, Tebow > All.

Dagmar
01-03-2011, 05:04 PM
Barring an insane trade up that would doom our defense to remain terrible for several more years, I fail to see how Luck's play affects Broncos fans...

I suppose Harbaugh's coaching might be something to watch. And the scheme he runs as well.

Nope, we need another first round QB on the roster, since they can all play defense. No, wait...

backup qb
01-03-2011, 05:05 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing him play as well. However, I just can't see how anyone can justify taking 3 QBs in 1st rd since 06. We have to go D, D, and more D. Oh, and throw in a pass catching TE.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:06 PM
As college QBs? Sure I can theoretically accept that. Doesn't mean he'll be better or even as good as those guys in the NFL.

I mean if we're just comparing guys as college QBs, Tebow > All.


I like Tebow as well, but Luck could be the guy.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:07 PM
this game has the pro annoucers. Nice.

You'll hear Jaws fawn all over Luck.

Dagmar
01-03-2011, 05:08 PM
Wait, is that stadium even a quarter full??

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:08 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing him play as well. However, I just can't see how anyone can justify taking 3 QBs in 1st rd since 06. We have to go D, D, and more D. Oh, and throw in a pass catching TE.

preach it.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 05:09 PM
I like Tebow as well, but Luck could be the guy.

My point is that if you're gong to quote a college coach saying a guy is better as a college QB than NFL greats when they were in college, then you have to acknowledge that Tebow > pretty much everyone ever as a college QB. I'm trying to point out the inconsistency of what you're getting at.

strafen
01-03-2011, 05:11 PM
Barring an insane trade up that would doom our defense to remain terrible for several more years, I fail to see how Luck's play affects Broncos fans...

I suppose Harbaugh's coaching might be something to watch. And the scheme he runs as well.

I understand that. There's no question it's a valid point.
There's aomething in the air about Elway and the Stanford connection I can't shake off yet.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:13 PM
My point is that if you're gong to quote a college coach saying a guy is better as a college QB than NFL greats when they were in college, then you have to acknowledge that Tebow > pretty much everyone ever as a college QB. I'm trying to point out the inconsistency of what you're getting at.

Its a reference. Its a case study. Its a direct reflection of a perspective from
where the rubber meets the road. Bud Foster coached against all those guys. He studied them. He says this guy is better. That's it. It's a hell of a reference and barring massive injury Luck will have his shot.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 05:15 PM
I understand that. There's no question it's a valid point.
There's aomething in the air about Elway and the Stanford connection I can't shake off yet.

We all need to pray that it's just baseless paranoia (of which I'm guilty as well), because if we trade up to grab Luck (which will likely take this and next years 1sts and bunch of other resources) Elway and Co. will have made a bigger mistake and done more harm in that one move than McD did with all of his mistakes combined.

AmericanBroncFan
01-03-2011, 05:16 PM
Still trying to replace Elway??? There will NEVER be another Elway. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

chawknz
01-03-2011, 05:29 PM
I couldn't care less about bowl games, but I'm watching this one. I'm curious.

Los Broncos
01-03-2011, 05:34 PM
I feel ...(sniff) like this whole board is against the Hokies

For your sake I'm pulling for the Hokies.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:35 PM
For your sake I'm pulling for the Hokies.

Nice!!!

Requiem
01-03-2011, 05:36 PM
The team can win with Tebow if our defense is improved. I really don't see the need to discuss Luck. He is going to go #1 overall.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Its a reference. Its a case study. Its a direct reflection of a perspective from
where the rubber meets the road. Bud Foster coached against all those guys. He studied them. He says this guy is better. That's it. It's a hell of a reference and barring massive injury Luck will have his shot.

It's also coming from an opposing coach, and those quotes are often glowing no matter who they are referencing. To me it doesn't mean much. It certainly has little to do with how good he's going to be in NFL. Not that I'm saying he won't be good, just that such a quote is pretty meaningless.

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Does VA Tech think they're Oregon?

Stick with the maroon.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:40 PM
Does VA Tech think they're Oregon?

Stick with the maroon.

It drives me nuts.

We're on that crazy Nike drug like Oregen

Los Broncos
01-03-2011, 05:42 PM
He's very mobile just a bad pass on that play.

frerottenextelway
01-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Hmmm... Accuracy problems?

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 05:44 PM
That was a Tebow special there.

Los Broncos
01-03-2011, 05:45 PM
Hmmm... Accuracy problems?

Maybe, it wouldn't of been a first down anyways, or maybe just nerves.

DivineBronco
01-03-2011, 05:54 PM
hmmmmmmm fake punt eh.........don't try to out special teams the beeeeeeeeam
lol

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 05:56 PM
That was crazy.

frerottenextelway
01-03-2011, 05:57 PM
Wifes commentary: "they faked it, but the other team is celebrating, I don't understand"

Los Broncos
01-03-2011, 05:58 PM
Wifes commentary: "they faked it, but the other team is celebrating, I don't understand"

Haha,.nice.

Baba Booey
01-03-2011, 06:03 PM
Elway sighting!

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 06:04 PM
John liked that play.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:05 PM
wifes commentary: "they faked it, but the other team is celebrating, i don't understand"

lmao

bowtown
01-03-2011, 06:06 PM
John will be using the #2 pick on Stewart now.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:06 PM
Wow, Luck benefiting from a dominating run game? Who would have expected that...

Vegas_Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:09 PM
Thus far:
1. Stares down his reads
2. Release is slow and predictable
3. Has a cannon...and it doesn't frown.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:10 PM
hey FernextElway

tell her it's like a fake orgasmism

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:12 PM
People saying this team isn't that talented are absolutely full of it. The whole story of how Luck is excelling despite having untalented teammates really needs to stop.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:12 PM
If harbaugh comes I want his dc. those boys know how to hit.

DivineBronco
01-03-2011, 06:14 PM
well that was silly

bowtown
01-03-2011, 06:15 PM
Nice catch!

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:15 PM
I'm still waiting to be wowed...

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 06:16 PM
Drop that!

LOL

Vegas_Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:16 PM
Remember folks...boise state beat this VT team earlier this season. This is another stupid matchup by the bcs. Why not go with UConn vs VTech and then OU vs. Stanford? Bowl games are just blatant ignorance anymore.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:16 PM
And why did that guy catch the ball? I thought Stanford people were supposed to be smart.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:17 PM
it was a saftey anyway.

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 06:18 PM
Actually, the Stanford punt returner should be kicked in the nuts.

Don't field that inside the 5.

bowtown
01-03-2011, 06:19 PM
it was a saftey anyway.

No, it would have been an incomplete pass.

yerner
01-03-2011, 06:19 PM
I'm still waiting to be wowed...

We get it, stupid.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:20 PM
No, it would have been an incomplete pass.

his knee was down with the ball still in his hand. its a saftey.

DarkHorse30
01-03-2011, 06:21 PM
yeah, so far Stanford looks uncoached (except for the defense, props to the DC) and Luck looks unlucky and a bit slow on his reads.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:22 PM
We get it, stupid.

Did I offend or something? So far he looks completely pedestrian. Certainly not the unstoppable offensive force people make him out to be.

Requiem
01-03-2011, 06:23 PM
Did I offend or something? So far he looks completely pedestrian. Certainly not the unstoppable offensive force people make him out to be.

Does Stephen Paea still play for the Ducks?

Hilarious!

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:23 PM
The Stanford kids know how to hit like the Ravens do.

bowtown
01-03-2011, 06:25 PM
his knee was down with the ball still in his hand. its a saftey.

Looked pretty close to me.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 06:26 PM
i love all the scouts in here telling us if Harbaugh and Luck are any good based on a quarter of football in a huge game.

lostknight
01-03-2011, 06:27 PM
Wow. There is a play that only works in college.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:27 PM
Looked pretty close to me.

its clear as day on this led lcd tv. believe it

DivineBronco
01-03-2011, 06:27 PM
wow....great play by the VT QB......

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 06:28 PM
Tyrod Taylor is stealing the show....thus far!!!

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:28 PM
razzle dazzle.

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 06:29 PM
Hell, bring in Taylor for a look.

He's a faster darker right handed Tebow.

LOL

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:30 PM
Hell, bring in Taylor for a look.

won't need a first rounder for it.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:31 PM
i love all the scouts in here telling us if Harbaugh and Luck are any good based on a quarter of football in a huge game.

Not at all. It's just that with certain people claiming that Luck is the best QB in decades, we kind of expect more. He looks like a guy that could completely fail in the NFL like every other top QB prospect.

DivineBronco
01-03-2011, 06:32 PM
understand if no one has time for a response as this is probably the wrong thread but I am not a really big college draft guru. I have been wondering where people see Cam Newton going spot or round wise.... And no i have no interest in him on this team just a question

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:35 PM
understand if no one has time for a response as this is probably the wrong thread but I am not a really big college draft guru. I have been wondering where people see Cam Newton going spot or round wise.... And no i have no interest in him on this team just a question

He's all over the place. Probably in the 1st somewhere. Don't think anyone could be me more specific than that without making stuff up.

elsid13
01-03-2011, 06:37 PM
understand if no one has time for a response as this is probably the wrong thread but I am not a really big college draft guru. I have been wondering where people see Cam Newton going spot or round wise.... And no i have no interest in him on this team just a question

somewhere in the middle first, unless something comes about his entry into Aubrun

elsid13
01-03-2011, 06:39 PM
Very nice pass for the TD.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:40 PM
so jim harbaugh has so many plays that his qb and center have to carry different play calling wristband. That's not good.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:41 PM
Very nice pass for the TD.

Yes it was.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 06:41 PM
Did I offend or something? So far he looks completely pedestrian. Certainly not the unstoppable offensive force people make him out to be.

No. You just sound like an old lady picking at whoever leaves the bridge table. ;D

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 06:41 PM
understand if no one has time for a response as this is probably the wrong thread but I am not a really big college draft guru. I have been wondering where people see Cam Newton going spot or round wise.... And no i have no interest in him on this team just a question

Bigger, faster, more athletic, and a slightly better passer than Tebow.

I can see some team falling in love with Newton as the next big thing and drafting him in the top 10.

He has some character question marks though.

elsid13
01-03-2011, 06:42 PM
so jim harbaugh has so many plays that his qb and center have to carry different play calling wristband. That's not good.

It a complex pro style offense, that able to give opponents great many looks.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:42 PM
so jim harbaugh has so many plays that his qb and center have to carry different play calling wristband. That's not good.

I would imagine they are different due to what each of them is calling. The QB calls the play, and the center then calls the blocks. At least that's my guess.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:43 PM
I would imagine they are different due to what each of them is calling. The QB calls the play, and the center then calls the blocks. At least that's my guess.

Luck read off it for like 6 seconds on the center.

Vegas_Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:44 PM
Dammit McGillicuddy..stick with your block.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:44 PM
It a complex pro style offense, that able to give opponents great many looks.

that seems a little too complex

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:46 PM
Bigger, faster, more athletic, and a slightly better passer than Tebow.

I can see some team falling in love with Newton as the next big thing and drafting him in the top 10.

He has some character question marks though.

Newton is no Tebow. Unless all you're looking at is stats. Actually even then he's no Tebow.

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 06:46 PM
I remember when the Broncos had a complex offense.

LOL

elsid13
01-03-2011, 06:47 PM
that seems a little too complex

It works for them and they have players that don't seem to get to confused on the number of plays. It like they are using a NFL playbook.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:47 PM
Luck read off it for like 6 seconds on the center.

Seems to work with college players. Not sure why pros would have an issue with it.

Chris
01-03-2011, 06:47 PM
Anyone have a link? Can't do the cable thing in a recession.

elsid13
01-03-2011, 06:48 PM
Anyone have a link? Can't do the cable thing in a recession.

it is on espn3

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:48 PM
It works for them and they have players that don't seem to get to confused on the number of plays. It like they are using a NFL playbook.

After 3 years or so. If we get Harbaugh, i don't know if he'll have that kind of time.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:48 PM
espn.com has a live play by play with highlights

DivineBronco
01-03-2011, 06:51 PM
Anyone have a link? Can't do the cable thing in a recession.

http://channelsurfing.net/

Natedog24
01-03-2011, 06:51 PM
That int isn't on luck, that WR just got owned by the DB. Outside of Owusu Stanford's WR's really aren't that great...

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 06:51 PM
Luck is getting out played by Taylor.

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 06:52 PM
That int isn't on luck, that WR just got owned by the DB. Outside of Owusu Stanford's WR's really aren't that great...Telegraphed the pass. The WR never had a chance...the CB saw it from the start.

bowtown
01-03-2011, 06:52 PM
After 3 years or so. If we get Harbaugh, i don't know if he'll have that kind of time.

Good lord, almost every NFL coach has that many plays in their playbooks, but in the NFL you have guys who's entire lives are to memorize the playbooks and work on the gameplan 10 hours a day for the entire week before the game. It's much more complex than college. Harbaugh is being ambitious for college not the NFL.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 06:54 PM
So far I'm more impressed with Stanfords defense and running game more than I am with Luck.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 07:00 PM
Good lord, almost every NFL coach has that many plays in their playbooks, but in the NFL you have guys who's entire lives are to memorize the playbooks and work on the gameplan 10 hours a day for the entire week before the game. It's much more complex than college. Harbaugh is being ambitious for college not the NFL.

Seeing as it's just a version of the WCO, yeah it wouldn't be a problem. The issue I see is that it wouldn't be able to overwhelm opposing teams like it can in the NFL. NFL teams see WCO variants all the time.

Natedog24
01-03-2011, 07:03 PM
Wow the officials are awful

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 07:18 PM
I take it the refs are Vtech alumni?

Pony Boy
01-03-2011, 07:20 PM
Well...he's no John Elway

DarkHorse30
01-03-2011, 07:22 PM
Harbaugh looks like a whiny-baby. I don't like him......next

srphoenix
01-03-2011, 07:50 PM
wow, two missed extra points in one game..... is that a record?

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 07:51 PM
Had to run out partway into the 1st...how is the boy wonder doing? Both of them...

yerner
01-03-2011, 07:55 PM
I like Harbaugh's run game.

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 07:55 PM
The shirtless Stanford drummer is disturbing.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 07:56 PM
ouch

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 07:56 PM
Looks like the Cardinal made some adjustments at the half.

Broncoman13
01-03-2011, 07:58 PM
So far Luck looks like a system QB to me. His accuracy has been questionable as well. A lot of WRs having to adjust in order to catch the passes and not much run after the catch. Even just now on the TD throw the receiver had to wait on the ball.

Not wowed by any means though you can't really judge a QB or any player in one game. Teams DO do that though. Jarvis Moss made millions off of a dominating NCG vs Ohio St.

gtown
01-03-2011, 08:02 PM
So far Luck looks like a system QB to me. His accuracy has been questionable as well. A lot of WRs having to adjust in order to catch the passes and not much run after the catch. Even just now on the TD throw the receiver had to wait on the ball.

Not wowed by any means though you can't really judge a QB or any player in one game. Teams DO do that though. Jarvis Moss made millions off of a dominating NCG vs Ohio St.

QFT. More impressed with Stanford D and Harbaugh than Luck.

Bronc62
01-03-2011, 08:03 PM
Now that last TD pass by Luck looked a lot like Elway...going long down the middle from around mid field after a big momentum play or turnover.

srphoenix
01-03-2011, 08:05 PM
just for fun Tebow's Sugar Bowl statline:

31 of 35 completed passes for 482 yrds and 3tds, 51 yrds rushing and 1td, no turnovers

best bowl game statline of all time even surpassing Vince Youngs national championship over usc that nearly vaulted him to a first overall draft position, but Tebow was considered a leap even at 25 overall

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 08:06 PM
Now that last TD pass by Luck looked a lot like Elway...going long down the middle from around mid field after a big momentum play or turnover.

He kind of had to wait for it but it was still a nice throw. It would have been a lot worse to miss long on someone that open.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 08:07 PM
QFT. More impressed with Stanford D and Harbaugh than Luck.

ditto.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 08:09 PM
That was a great pass.

Natedog24
01-03-2011, 08:09 PM
Wow now there is the Luck we have seen all year

hookemhess
01-03-2011, 08:09 PM
That was fn nice.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 08:12 PM
Luck looks pretty good.

Broncoman13
01-03-2011, 08:13 PM
That was a nice play by Luck. Good escape. Good awareness. Good arm strength. Good accuracy. But that play and several of the ones Taylor has made don't fly in the NFL.

I'll stick with that Tebow guy everyone keeps talking about!

DenverBound
01-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Luck please. Thank you.

Broncoman13
01-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Alright, Luck is settling in. That TD pass was brilliant.

srphoenix
01-03-2011, 08:17 PM
That was a great throw too, luck is looking great. Still hoping Elway doesn't get too sentimental and try to get him though, as good as luck is I still like Tebow better.

hookemhess
01-03-2011, 08:17 PM
I love Tebow. I mean, my tebowner is really raging.... but I'd take Luck in a flash.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 08:18 PM
Yeah, Luck has found a groove. Im impressed but Im still a Tebow guy.

Bronc62
01-03-2011, 08:19 PM
Another TD pass for Luck! You gotta believe Elway is sold standing right there on the sidelines. Get Coach Harbaugh, trade up one spot, draft Luck. Keep Tebow too.

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 08:19 PM
I love Tebow. I mean, my tebowner is really raging.... but I'd take Luck in a flash.

hard to say, what are you gaining? 5 percent? Put a number on it and see if its worth it to you.

DenverBound
01-03-2011, 08:20 PM
Another TD pass for Luck! You gotta believe Elway is sold standing right there on the sidelines. Get Coach Harbaugh, trade up one spot, draft Luck. Keep Tebow too.

For what position?

Dagmar
01-03-2011, 08:20 PM
Another TD pass for Luck! You gotta believe Elway is sold standing right there on the sidelines. Get Coach Harbaugh, trade up one spot, draft Luck. Keep Tebow too.

3 1st round QB's on the roster and no Defense. Recipe for success...
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0909/epic-facepalm-when-you-just-know-you-messed-up-demotivational-poster-1253705267.jpg

DenverBound
01-03-2011, 08:23 PM
[QUOTE=Dagmar;3068808]3 1st round QB's on the roster and no Defense. Recipe for success...

Who cares.. You can't pass up talent like Luck. Imagine what the Colts would be with out Manning. A 5 win team at best. Luck could take us from 5 wins to 12 every year. Nuff said. I love tebow as much as anyone but how can deny the talent the Luck is.

srphoenix
01-03-2011, 08:25 PM
who says Tebow isn't capable of doing better than that, hell, he almost beat San Diego single handedly and came back from a 17 point deficit to beat Houston. Keep in mind this is against nfl teams too, not Virginia Tech.

go_broncos
01-03-2011, 08:27 PM
I am happy with Tebow's play.
Elway should convince Harabaugh to coach our team.

srphoenix
01-03-2011, 08:29 PM
agreed, Harbaugh's gameplan this game has been great. His running and defense have both looked excellent and Luck has made all the throws he's been asked to.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 08:29 PM
[QUOTE=Dagmar;3068808]3 1st round QB's on the roster and no Defense. Recipe for success...

Who cares.. You can't pass up talent like Luck. Imagine what the Colts would be with out Manning. A 5 win team at best. Luck could take us from 5 wins to 12 every year. Nuff said. I love tebow as much as anyone but how can deny the talent the Luck is.

Its doubtful Luck even comes out. He has to make a decision by Jan 14 and with the CBA uncertainty, its doubtful he comes out.

And then if he does, its doubtful Carolina trades the pick.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 08:30 PM
I am happy with Tebow's play.
Elway should convince Harabaugh to coach our team.

this

Broncoman13
01-03-2011, 08:32 PM
[QUOTE=Dagmar;3068808]3 1st round QB's on the roster and no Defense. Recipe for success...

Who cares.. You can't pass up talent like Luck. Imagine what the Colts would be with out Manning. A 5 win team at best. Luck could take us from 5 wins to 12 every year. Nuff said. I love tebow as much as anyone but how can deny the talent the Luck is.

Makes as much sense as us drafting Tommy Maddox back in the day.

What would you think of the Lions drafting Cam Newton with their first? How about the Cowboys taking Mallet knowing they need bodies in the secondary. I wanted the first pick, not to select Luck but rather to get the bounty for him! If Elway decides to move up for him I think it's a mistake, but Luck is a good player that I can get behind... But what will I do with my Tebowner?

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 08:34 PM
He looks like a good QB. Nothing really stands out though relative to top QBs of the past. They all can throw, yet many fail in the NFL. I just don't see a sure thing here. Not at all.

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 08:35 PM
Luck looks alot like Eli Manning to me. Fundamentally he's very, very good. I think he's comparable to Bradford in talent.

I don't see the Peyton Manning comparrions and he's nothing like John Elway. He's just not the athelete that John was.

And, not to knock on Luck...but, if the Denver Broncos had a running game like the Stanford Cardinal...Tim Tebow would be an ALL Pro!

enjolras
01-03-2011, 08:36 PM
If you're an Oregon fan, you have to be LOVING this.

That One Guy
01-03-2011, 08:36 PM
If they keep this up, I think Stanford can win this.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 08:37 PM
If you're an Oregon fan, you have to be LOVING this.

It doesnt really matter at this point. They were in the NC game already. This doesnt help them now.

cabronco
01-03-2011, 08:38 PM
I just tuned in to see the last couple plays. On that TD throw Luck reminded me of Roger Staubach. ?

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 08:38 PM
agreed, Harbaugh's gameplan this game has been great. His running and defense have both looked excellent and Luck has made all the throws he's been asked to.

Part of my problem is that Luck isn't being asked to carry the team. The run game is the heart of this offense and Luck is benefiting from that. I just don't get how a guy can be so hyped when it's clear he isn't even the focus of his offense.

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 08:38 PM
I hope Tebow is watching this game and that he sees what fundamentals like footwork and mechanics mean to a QB. And, I hope that he makes it a personal goal to improve in those areas. We all know he has an uncommon will to do things other don't believe he can. Well, he needs to improve his fundamentals and become a better passer.

Andrew Luck isn't half the football player that Tim Tebow is....but, he's a much better quarterback.

Man-Goblin
01-03-2011, 08:38 PM
I like Tebow. But Luck is as sure a thing that we've seen in a long time. If you have a chance to get him, you do it and worry about everything else later.

Just look at the playoffs. It's a who's who of the best QBs in the league every single year. Increasing your chance at getting one of those guys is the fastest way to make your team markedly better.

Broncoman13
01-03-2011, 08:39 PM
I think the coaching job by Harbaugh is more impressive than any of the individual players. Sure would be nice to have TEs mean something again!

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 08:40 PM
Luck looks alot like Eli Manning to me.

I tend to agree. He's more athletic, but I can see the resemblance. The Elway comparisons are pretty silly to be honest.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 08:40 PM
I think the coaching job by Harbaugh is more impressive than any of the individual players. Sure would be nice to have TEs mean something again!


Yeah, half of Lucks passing yards have come with WRs running down the field wide open.

peacepipe
01-03-2011, 08:41 PM
Luck looks alot like Eli Manning to me. Fundamentally he's very, very good. I think he's comparable to Bradford in talent.

I don't see the Peyton Manning comparrions and he's nothing like John Elway. He's just not the athelete that John was.

And, not to knock on Luck...but, if the Denver Broncos had a running game like the Stanford Cardinal...Tim Tebow would be an ALL Pro!

If we had that running game, McD would still our coach & Orton would still be our QB & we'd be in the playoffs.

That One Guy
01-03-2011, 08:42 PM
I like Tebow. But Luck is as sure a thing that we've seen in a long time. If you have a chance to get him, you do it and worry about everything else later.

Just look at the playoffs. It's a who's who of the best QBs in the league every single year. Increasing your chance at getting one of those guys is the fastest way to make your team markedly better.

Matt Cassel said he loves you to. Matt hasslebeck stormed off heartbroken.

QBs make a big difference but you need pieces around them.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 08:42 PM
I like Tebow. But Luck is as sure a thing that we've seen in a long time.

How? I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how he's a sure thing when so many sure things of the past have been utter busts. All #1 QBs look good in college. How is Luck different?

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 08:42 PM
Tebow will be the quintesential leader every NFL team wants from their QB, and he'll never stop working to get better. I know nothing about Andrew Luck other than the few clips I see and the brief quotes and allusions to greatness that seem tob be swirling around him now. Yet in spite of hearing about Luck's passing, his mobility, his ability to read defenses, his NFL ready arm, etc...the one thing I really haven't heard anything about is his intangibles and leadership. Tebow oozes that. I'm not saying he doesn't have those qualities but I haven't heard this mentioned much if at all. When you watch Tebow you know immediately he loves the game and he's pure passion when it comes to competing and winning. Does Luck bring this as well? To what degree?

Patrick Peterson is the pick that makes the most sense if he's there.

Natedog24
01-03-2011, 08:42 PM
If you're an Oregon fan, you have to be LOVING this.

Yup :strong:

maven
01-03-2011, 08:44 PM
Denver needs to find a way to draft Luck.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 08:44 PM
Yeah, half of Lucks passing yards have come with WRs running down the field wide open.

Partly a result of forcing the defense to commit to stopping the run.

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 08:44 PM
If we had that running game, McD would still our coach & Orton would still be our QB & we'd be in the playoffs.If we would have never hired McD...we'd have a running game like that!

DenverBound
01-03-2011, 08:45 PM
[QUOTE=DenverBound;3068812]

Makes as much sense as us drafting Tommy Maddox back in the day.

What would you think of the Lions drafting Cam Newton with their first? How about the Cowboys taking Mallet knowing they need bodies in the secondary. I wanted the first pick, not to select Luck but rather to get the bounty for him! If Elway decides to move up for him I think it's a mistake, but Luck is a good player that I can get behind... But what will I do with my Tebowner?

I completely agree that we have way more pressing needs but when you start drafting for need that high you tend to reach. If we can get a nice pick in return for Orton we could package that with our second and a player for the #1 pick, get luck, and still have 2 2nds to focus on D.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 08:47 PM
[QUOTE=Broncoman13;3068831]

I completely agree that we have way more pressing needs but when you start drafting for need that high you tend to reach. If we can get a nice pick in return for Orton we could package that with our second and a player for the #1 pick, get luck, and still have 2 2nds to focus on D.

When you start trading up for players you don't even need, wasting valuable picks that are needed to rebuild the defense, you end up becoming a perennial loser.

srphoenix
01-03-2011, 08:48 PM
just in case anyone forgot about the guy we currently have playing behind the worst D in the league

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWRzN8YCsqQ

What it comes down to is that we currently have Tebow, thus we don't need to get Luck. If we already had Luck, we wouldn't need to get Tebow.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 08:49 PM
Part of my problem is that Luck isn't being asked to carry the team. The run game is the heart of this offense and Luck is benefiting from that. I just don't get how a guy can be so hyped when it's clear he isn't even the focus of his offense.

I would say that of the balance of the season. They could run the ball but Luck carried this team this year and Gerhart carried it last year.

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 08:49 PM
How? I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how he's a sure thing when so many sure things of the past have been utter busts. All #1 QBs look good in college. How is Luck different?

Put it this way, he's the closest thing you'll find to a "Sure thing" coming out of college.

There's so many things that can go wrong though....I guy like is going to go to one of the worst Organizations in the NFL. That Organization has to be willing to grow with a kid like this. Hire the right coaching staff, bring in the right personnel, allow him time to sit and watch. That stuff all has to be next to perfect...or it can be ugly.

But, this kid...he's going to be a stud in the NFL...no doubt about it. His vision, his footwork, his size, his throwing motion, are all excellent.

peacepipe
01-03-2011, 08:50 PM
his gator days don't mean squat to me.

Jesterhole
01-03-2011, 08:51 PM
I like Tebow. But Luck is as sure a thing that we've seen in a long time. If you have a chance to get him, you do it and worry about everything else later.

Just look at the playoffs. It's a who's who of the best QBs in the league every single year. Increasing your chance at getting one of those guys is the fastest way to make your team markedly better.

I'd say Tebow is that kind of guy. Let's give him an entire off season to work on his timing, footwork and accuracy with some pro training, then see what happens.

Luck is hardly a sure thing. He's an above average athlete with good mechanics that leads a great running team.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 08:51 PM
just in case anyone forgot about the guy we currently have playing behind the worst D in the league

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWRzN8YCsqQ

What it comes down to is that we currently have Tebow, thus we don't need to get Luck. If we already had Luck, we wouldn't need to get Tebow.

Pretty much. When you realize that nothing is a sure thing, the idea of picking Luck rather than focusing on our defense really starts looking crazy. Tebow has certainly shown enough as a rookie for us to wait it out and focus on all the holes on our roster.

peacepipe
01-03-2011, 08:53 PM
I'd say Tebow is that kind of guy. Let's give him an entire off season to work on his timing, footwork and accuracy with some pro training, then see what happens.

Luck is hardly a sure thing. He's an above average athlete with good mechanics that leads a great running team.not much has changed since he got drafted,Tebow is a 3-4 yr project. Tebow is not in the same league.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 08:53 PM
He looks like a good QB. Nothing really stands out though relative to top QBs of the past.

The same could be said of Tebow. Tebow has a lot to learn and even with a 1 year headstart, Luck is more ready to play in the NFL. It is just that he is expensive and stuff....

If we had any other pick other than #2, you dont even consider getting Luck. But to move up only 1 position is very tempting. There are MANY holes in the team. 1 less pick may not mean all that much in the big picture. (#2 + MiaRd2 plus player). This team needs 2-3 drafts to contend.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 08:54 PM
Put it this way, he's the closest thing you'll find to a "Sure thing" coming out of college.

There's so many things that can go wrong though....I guy like is going to go to one of the worst Organizations in the NFL. That Organization has to be willing to grow with a kid like this. Hire the right coaching staff, bring in the right personnel, allow him time to sit and watch. That stuff all has to be next to perfect...or it can be ugly.

But, this kid...he's going to be a stud in the NFL...no doubt about it. His vision, his footwork, his size, his throwing motion, are all excellent.

You didn't answer my question. I asked how he was different than all the top QB prospects of the past that have busted. Nothing you said couldn't have been said of every top college QB in history, and many of them crashed and burned.

maven
01-03-2011, 08:54 PM
What it comes down to is that we currently have Tebow, thus we don't need to get Luck. If we already had Luck, we wouldn't need to get Tebow.

Tebow never would've gone this high in the draft. Luck is an elite talent coming out. He's going #1 overall if he comes out(which I believe he will since I think his coach is leaving). Denver is picking #2. This is as close as you can get to grabbing a talent like Luck. I changed my thinking from earlier, this is going to cost Denver a good amount of picks to get the opportunity to select Luck.

chawknz
01-03-2011, 08:55 PM
JaMarcus Russell was a sure thing. Matt Leinart was a sure thing..

I thought Luck was okay. I've never seen him play before, but he'll be good. However, I'm happy with what we (hopefully) have for the year. I hope Luck is gone before it's our turn.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 08:56 PM
So can someone tell me why Jim Harbaugh looks so good coaching? Enough to justify these head coaching offers in the NFL?

maven
01-03-2011, 08:57 PM
JaMarcus Russell was a sure thing. Matt Leinart was a sure thing..

I thought Luck was okay. I've never seen him play before, but he'll be good. However, I'm happy with what we (hopefully) have for the year. I hope Luck is gone before it's our turn.

Tebow isn't a sure thing.

peacepipe
01-03-2011, 08:58 PM
Tebow never would've gone this high in the draft. Luck is an elite talent coming out. He's going #1 overall if he comes out(which I believe he will since I think his coach is leaving). Denver is picking #2. This is as close as you can get to grabbing a talent like Luck. I changed my thinking from earlier, this is going to cost Denver a good amount of picks to get the opportunity to select Luck.

He wouldn't have been drafted in the 1st at all if we didn't trade up.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:00 PM
In every QB category from footwork, mechanics, accuracy, mobility, knowledge, etc etc etc, I would give Luck an A+. He can walk into any backfield in the NFL and perform.

I also love the way Harbaugh coaches. He has built a team that starts with the Oline, moves on next to the running game, and then to defense. His adjustments at the half totally dominated VT. It's like watching Larry Holmes. He sets you up for five rounds and then, when he knows where your coming from, he lowers the boom. I absolutely love that kind of football. I hope Harbaugh is our next coach. And I hope he brings Frangio (and Skov) with him.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:00 PM
The same could be said of Tebow. Tebow has a lot to learn and even with a 1 year headstart, Luck is more ready to play in the NFL. It is just that he is expensive and stuff....

If we had any other pick other than #2, you dont even considered getting Luck. But to move up 1 position is very tempting. There are MANY holes in the team. 1 less pick may not mean all that much in the big picture. This team needs 2-3 drafts to contend.

Two things:

1) To say that nothing stands out about Tebow is just about the craziest thing I've ever heard. He's one of the most unique athletes to come out of college ever. The guy is the definition of unique. (Whether or not he succeeds in the NFL is a different matter)

2) Moving from #2 to #1 for a coveted "can't miss" QB prospect is going to cost a lot more than you apparently realize. Just throw the value charts out the window in that case, because if Luck is seen by NFL teams the way you see him the bidding is going to get out of hand. And if you are willing to give up the #2 pick, our 1st rounder next year, one of our 2nd rounders, and Tebow just for Luck you seriously have lost your mind. And yes that's likely what it would take if Luck is as coveted as expected.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:00 PM
So can someone tell me why Jim Harbaugh looks so good coaching? Enough to justify these head coaching offers in the NFL?

Nobody can tell you anything. You're blind. It would be pointless.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:03 PM
So can someone tell me why Jim Harbaugh looks so good coaching? Enough to justify these head coaching offers in the NFL?

He's turned a perennial bottom-feeder into an elite team while dealing with very stringent academic standards. The guy is a hell of a coach. The question is whether or not he can translate it to the NFL.

maven
01-03-2011, 09:04 PM
This team needs 2-3 drafts to contend.

That is where I am at.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:04 PM
He wouldn't have been drafted in the 1st at all if we didn't trade up.

People keep claiming this despite all the evidence to the contrary...

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 09:04 PM
Harbaugh was way over the top in thanking Stanford and the program. He's gone. I wonder where?

NUB
01-03-2011, 09:07 PM
Pffft. More like Andrew Leaf, am I right or am I right? Or am I right? Am I right?

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 09:08 PM
The same could be said of Tebow. Tebow has a lot to learn and even with a 1 year headstart, Luck is more ready to play in the NFL. It is just that he is expensive and stuff....

If we had any other pick other than #2, you dont even consider getting Luck. But to move up only 1 position is very tempting. There are MANY holes in the team. 1 less pick may not mean all that much in the big picture. (#2 + MiaRd2 plus player). This team needs 2-3 drafts to contend.
You can't say Luck is more ready to play in the NFL when Tebow is already playing NOW in the NFL and Luck isn't. Luck is a redshirt college sophmore, and reguardless of how he looks agaisnt West Virginia, he's proven nothing yet in the NFL. I think Tebow's accomplishment of playing as well as he has in the midst of the media circus surrounding him and then McDaniels, the coaching change, the lack of even any practice snaps all this time, still working on his delivery, etc...you add it all up and what he's done in his first three opportunies is phenomenal.

I remember when Elway came into the league at the top of the '83 draft and Marino at the end of the first round. Marino established immediately that he was by far a more polished passer than Elway. Elway threw all kinds of junk his first several years. He threw Nolan Ryan fastballs at receivers and backs standing 20 feet from him. He made a ton of mistakes and his game's weren't filled with all kinds of pretty statistics like Marino's were. In that case the roles were reversed, it was the can't miss prospect chosen at the top of the draft that was raw and needed work on his accuracy, etc...and the polished passer with the more NFL ready game was drafted nearly an entire round later. Now fast forward to the end of their careers...Marino got one crack at the Superbowl and lost, and Elway had 5 trips and 2 Lombardies. Which one had the more successful career, the guy with the perfect passing arm, the lightning quick release and the NFL ready pocket presence...or the passionate winner with the big arm, the eratic game and the reputation as a leader extraordinaire...the guy who would carry the team at crunch time?

Nobody in here would trade Elway for Marino...think about it awhile before annointing Luck over Tebow just yet.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:11 PM
Two things:

1) To say that nothing stands out about Tebow is just about the craziest thing I've ever heard. He's one of the most unique athletes to come out of college ever. The guy is the definition of unique. (Whether or not he succeeds in the NFL is a different matter)

Not what I said. You are inserting as much optimism about how good Tebow can be as the Luck proponents are. You just dont see it that way cause Tebow has shown you more in his 3 starts that many dont. You are all over his knob in every post so we know where you stand.

2) Moving from #2 to #1 for a coveted "can't miss" QB prospect is going to cost a lot more than you apparently realize. Just throw the value charts out the window in that case, because if Luck is seen by NFL teams the way you see him the bidding is going to get out of hand. And if you are willing to give up the #2 pick, our 1st rounder next year, one of our 2nd rounders, and Tebow just for Luck you seriously have lost your mind. And yes that's likely what it would take if Luck is as coveted as expected.

That is too much. As I have posted in about 5 threads, there is a price that is too high. If we could trade our #2, Rd2Miami or Rd3, and Tebow, I take that. I wouldnt take what you are proposing.

Bottom line: You have to at least see what the price is when it is ONE pick away. If the response is laughter, trade down and keep the Tebow project rolling.

rmsanger
01-03-2011, 09:12 PM
I can't believe some of you guys are ready to scrap the Tebow project... We knew he was a minimum 3 year project before he would develop. The dude has seen a handfull of starts. At least we have to give him a full offseason to work on the release, footwork, and a full playbook from the new OC/HC. SD made the mistake of letting Brees go in favor of the "better" prospect. I think we need to learn a few lessons here.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:13 PM
You can't say Luck is more ready to play in the NFL when Tebow is already playing NOW in the NFL and Luck isn't. Luck is a redshirt college sophmore, and reguardless of how he looks agaisnt West Virginia, he's proven nothing yet in the NFL. I think Tebow's accomplishment of playing as well as he has in the midst of the media circus surrounding him and then McDaniels, the coaching change, the lack of even any practice snaps all this time, still working on his delivery, etc...you add it all up and what he's done in his first three opportunies is phenomenal.


While I agree in general with your take, I bet you would lose that Poll bet of a simple question of who is more ready to start tomorrow Tebow vs Luck. My vote is with Luck.

And if you take that poll out of the mane, well.... you dont want to go there.

SoDak Bronco
01-03-2011, 09:15 PM
I bet you would lose that Poll bet of a simple question of who is more ready to start tomorrow

Luck looked pretty ready to me..Wow he has to be discussed if we can get him.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:16 PM
That is too much. As I have posted in about 5 threads, there is a price that is too high. If we could trade our #2, Rd2Miami or Rd3, and Tebow, I take that. I wouldnt take what you are proposing.


Of course it's too much. That was my point. But that's likely what it would take. Some team will give Carolina a King's Ransom for Luck if he's still as hyped up by draft time as he is now (if they decide to not take him themselves). We all should hope our inexperienced FO isn't the one to pay it.

strafen
01-03-2011, 09:16 PM
Luck's performance was par for the course.
Good stats, good quarterbacking display, and the Orange Bowl MVP.
I don't know how people can still b**** about the guy.

It's unfortunate this became a Luck Vs. Tebow debate.

I love Tebow, I also wanted to see what the fuzz was about with Luck, and I think the kid lived up to the hype.

I'm not sure if he's going to come out this year or not.
We're fine with Tebow at QB.
Luck pro-style game is a big plus...

Dagmar
01-03-2011, 09:18 PM
I bet you would lose that Poll bet of a simple question of who is more ready to start tomorrow

Well we all know that the posters on this site are VASTLY more intelligent and NFL savvy than professionals.

Hence why we all are employed by football teams.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:18 PM
I bet you would lose that Poll bet of a simple question of who is more ready to start tomorrow

Anyone who thinks Luck is more ready than Tebow to start in the NFL tomorrow is seriously brain-damaged.

Dagmar
01-03-2011, 09:19 PM
The long and short of it is, Luck will not get past Carolina IF he comes out.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:19 PM
Of course it's too much. That was my point. But that's likely what it would take. Some team will give Carolina a King's Ransom for Luck if he's still as hyped up by draft time as he is now (if they decide to not take him themselves). We all should hope our inexperienced FO isn't the one to pay it.

The difference is you wouldnt even inquire the asking price. Any reasonable FO, rookie or not, makes the call to AT LEAST check

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:20 PM
In my own mind I've already dropped Luck out of the picture for the Broncos after tonight's game. What I hope is that he goes back for another year, we get to give Tebow another season to see what he can do, and then make a decision next year. If Luck comes out this year, I can't see any way on Earth that Carolina doesn't keep the pick and take him. That franchise needs a major shot in the arm. They would be absolute morons to pass on him. In fact, they should be sending a dump truck full of money to Harbaugh's house tonight and get him too.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:20 PM
Anyone who thinks Luck is more ready than Tebow to start in the NFL tomorrow is seriously brain-damaged.

Please. Put. Down. The. Knob.

He is saving himself you know

I think the poll would be close in the mane, but nationally, it looks kinda like the outcome of the Orange Bowl

Steve Sewell
01-03-2011, 09:21 PM
Luck is like the Ndamakong Suh of QB prospects. I haven't seen a QB prospect like this in a long, long time.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:21 PM
In my own mind I've already dropped Luck out of the picture for the Broncos after tonight's game. What I hope is that he goes back for another year, we get to give Tebow another season to see what he can do, and then make a decision next year. If Luck comes out this year, I can't see any way on Earth that Carolina doesn't keep the pick and take him. That franchise needs a major shot in the arm. They would be absolute morons to pass on him. In fact, they should be sending a dump truck full of money to Harbaugh's house tonight and get him too.

It depends on what they really think of Claussen? Most arent impressed but who knows.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:22 PM
Luck's performance was par for the course.
Good stats, good quaeterbacking display, and the Orange Bowl MVP.
I don't know how pwoplw can still b**** about the guy.

It's unfortunate this became a Luck Vs. Tebow debate.

I love Tebow, I also wanted to see what the fuzz was about with Luck, and I think the kid lived up to the hype.

I'm not sure if ge's going to come out this year or not.
We're fine with Tebow at QB.
Luck pro-style game is a big plus...

Yeah Luck is a great college QB. He has a lot potential as an NFL QB. Just as long as we don't start acting like he's bound for Canton already, I like the guy okay.

yerner
01-03-2011, 09:23 PM
In my own mind I've already dropped Luck out of the picture for the Broncos after tonight's game. What I hope is that he goes back for another year, we get to give Tebow another season to see what he can do, and then make a decision next year. If Luck comes out this year, I can't see any way on Earth that Carolina doesn't keep the pick and take him. That franchise needs a major shot in the arm. They would be absolute morons to pass on him. In fact, they should be sending a dump truck full of money to Harbaugh's house tonight and get him too.

That is so right. It's depressing how close the broncos are to getting someone like Luck and will end up missing out.

Dagmar
01-03-2011, 09:25 PM
Luck has POTENTIAL to be the next Manning. However, Manning is one of the greatest ever. Luck hasn't played a down.

POTENTIAL. We have a QB with potential who is hugely popular and a D with very little potential.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:25 PM
I think that Tebow is the kind of QB who is exciting enough to make a team suffer for many years because of how close he'll get you. I think Luck will take a team over the hump pretty quickly if the rest of the pieces are in place. There are only a couple of QBs I've seen with Luck's accuracy. Brady is one of them. Luck's got it all. He'll be an elite QB within three years. Tebow will still be trying to iron out his mechanics. That's the cold, hard facts.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:25 PM
Luck is like the Ndamakong Suh of QB prospects. I haven't seen a QB prospect like this in a long, long time.

Why? I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what makes him so different than all the other top ranked QBs of the past that completely sucked in the NFL.

If you ask me there are too many variables to ever think a QB is as high a percentage pick as a guy like Suh at DT. It's the hardest position to project from college to the NFL by a long mile.

Again, I'm not saying Luck will be a bust. I just don't see anything that makes him necessarily different from all the other "perfect" QBs of the past that failed.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:26 PM
That is so right. It's depressing how close the broncos are to getting someone like Luck and will end up missing out.

This is more plausible a debate then some are making it out to be. But all things considered, I think you have hit it exactly right.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:27 PM
I think that Tebow is the kind of QB who is exciting enough to make a team suffer for many years because of how close he'll get you. I think Luck will take a team over the hump pretty quickly if the rest of the pieces are in place. There are only a couple of QBs I've seen with Luck's accuracy. Brady is one of them. Luck's got it all. He'll be an elite QB within three years. Tebow will still be trying to iron out his mechanics. That's the cold, hard facts.

No, that is, by definition, your opinion. You have a right to it, but it certainly isn't the "facts".

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:28 PM
Luck has POTENTIAL to be the next Manning. However, Manning is one of the greatest ever. Luck hasn't played a down.

POTENTIAL. We have a QB with potential who is hugely popular and a D with very little potential.

This isnt a damn popularity contest. We are trying to win another SB. Where is Herm Edwards when I need him...

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:29 PM
I'll tell you one Stanford player I would love to get on the Broncos, Shayne Skov. That guy was all over the place. He played like a madman to the last whistle. I loved the way he plays.

Kaylore
01-03-2011, 09:29 PM
Luck looked pretty ready to me..Wow he has to be discussed if we can get him.

Yeah. And then go back and watch yesterday's game against the Chargers and Tebow looks like he can't hold Luck's jock. I know: Apples to Oranges.

That said, Luck looks like the real deal. Not that it matters because the Panthers will take him.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:29 PM
I'll tell you one Stanford player I would love to get on the Broncos, Shayne Skov. That guy was all over the place. He played like a madman to the last whistle. I loved the way he plays.

Absolutely agreed. Where is he projected to go?

yerner
01-03-2011, 09:31 PM
This is more plausible a debate then some are making it out to be. But all things considered, I think you have hit it exactly right.

It just seems so implausible that Carolina will let him get by them. Once the media starts the posting continuous scouting reports and all that draftniks start their hype he will be a no-brainer. Especially because there isn't a clear number two. But I suppose that could change.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:31 PM
Luck has POTENTIAL to be the next Manning. However, Manning is one of the greatest ever. Luck hasn't played a down.

POTENTIAL. We have a QB with potential who is hugely popular and a D with very little potential.

Exactly. Potential is only a very small part of what makes a player become a Peyton Manning. Luck has that potential, but the rest is completely unknown. The way some just take his success for granted despite so many unknown factors baffles me.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:31 PM
Absolutely agreed. Where is he projected to go?

I'm guessing his stock will be climbing. He's 6'3", 243, and running around like that!

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:32 PM
It just seems so implausible that Carolina will let him get by them. Once the media starts the posting continuous scouting reports and all that draftniks start their hype he will be a no-brainer. Especially because there isn't a clear number two. But I suppose that could change.

I still won't be surprised at all if Luck goes back to Stanford next season.

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:33 PM
Yeah. And then go back and watch yesterday's game against the Chargers and Tebow looks like he can't hold Luck's jock. I know: Apples to Oranges.


Look at Tebow in college. Apples to apples. Who can't hold whose jock again?

Seriously these kinds of statements are mind-boggling.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:34 PM
It just seems so implausible that Carolina will let him get by them. Once the media starts the posting continuous scouting reports and all that draftniks start their hype he will be a no-brainer. Especially because there isn't a clear number two. But I suppose that could change.

Everyone has a price. And his price will be influenced by what they think of Claussen. Last year they invested enough to make him the QBOTF. Have they made a 180 on him? Does anyone really know?

What are your thoughts on the price for Luck?

snowspot66
01-03-2011, 09:34 PM
Yeah. And then go back and watch yesterday's game against the Chargers and Tebow looks like he can't hold Luck's jock. I know: Apples to Oranges.

That said, Luck looks like the real deal. Not that it matters because the Panthers will take him.

Why even bring it up then?

Apples to oranges is an understatement. It's apples to zebras. A college player dominating in an offense that he's run for a couple of years comparing to a NFL rookie in his third start, lame duck coaching staff, and one of the top defenses in the league against both pass and run. You can't make any comparisons.

Dagmar
01-03-2011, 09:35 PM
This isnt a damn popularity contest. We are trying to win another SB. Where is Herm Edwards when I need him...

I understand what you are saying but we have given him only 3 games, where he managed to score plenty of points. And Carolina aren't that retarded to give up on the "sure thing" are they?

yerner
01-03-2011, 09:35 PM
Luck's coming out. With Harbaugh leaving and the guarantee of the first overall pick he will feel to much temptation not to.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:36 PM
Luck's coming out. With Harbaugh leaving and the guarantee of the first overall pick he will feel to much temptation not to.

All things considered, I dont see how one can look at all the data and not have the same conclusion.

Harbaugh staying is a requirement IMO

snowspot66
01-03-2011, 09:37 PM
Everyone has a price. And his price will be influenced by what they think of Claussen. Last year they invested enough to make him the QBOTF. Have they made a 180 on him? Does anyone really know?

What are your thoughts on the price for Luck?

A second round pick is nothing compared to the first overall pick and with a new coaching staff they don't have to even look at Claussen if they don't want to. When you win two games the new regime can do whatever the **** it wants with the guys already on the roster and nobody will care. It can't get worse.

misturanderson
01-03-2011, 09:38 PM
I'm guessing his stock will be climbing. He's 6'3", 243, and running around like that!

He's a sophomore. We'll find out next year where he's supposed to go.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:38 PM
A second round pick is nothing compared to the first overall pick and with a new coaching staff they don't have to even look at Claussen if they don't want to. When you win two games the new regime can do whatever the **** it wants with the guys already on the roster and nobody will care. It can't get worse.

True... I didnt consider that Fox is gone. But are they clearing the GM and the scouting dept too? I havent heard to be honest.

yerner
01-03-2011, 09:39 PM
Everyone has a price. And his price will be influenced by what they think of Claussen. Last year they invested enough to make him the QBOTF. Have they made a 180 on him? Does anyone really know?

What are your thoughts on the price for Luck?

I don't know. With a rookie salary cap in some form it probably goes up a little. I'm of the opinion that he would be worth trading ton of assets for. He looks to be a franchise changer.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:40 PM
I can't wait to see Oregon and Auburn next week. This has the makings of a classic battle for the ages.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 09:42 PM
Luck's coming out. With Harbaugh leaving and the guarantee of the first overall pick he will feel to much temptation not to.

There wont be a labor agreement. With that uncertainty, Im predicting, he'll say "whats the hurry". If he turns pro and theres no agreement, he loses a season.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 09:42 PM
I'd say Tebow is that kind of guy. Let's give him an entire off season to work on his timing, footwork and accuracy with some pro training, then see what happens.

Luck is hardly a sure thing. He's an above average athlete with good mechanics that leads a great running team.
Look at it this way; if their roles were reversed, I'm dead certain Tebow could lead Stanford to the kind of season they've had with Luck, but could Luck step into the NFL as a rookie starter for the first time against the Raiders and two weeks later against the NFL's top defense, with very little preparation, a coaching staff in tatters, rumors about the owner, rumors about his own position, a leaky offensive line and no running game...and perform as well as Tebow has? I'm not sure Elway himself could have played as well as Tim has under these conditions, let alone Andrew Luck.

We don't need Luck we need a badass defense to support the stud QB we already have.

snowspot66
01-03-2011, 09:42 PM
True... I didnt consider that Fox is gone. But are they clearing the GM and the scouting dept too? I havent heard to be honest.

Don't know. But Luck will put a lot more butts in seats than Claussen and with every pundit on every channel screaming about Luck nonstop the guy would have to lose a leg for the Panthers to not go after Luck if he comes out.

*edit*

When you look at how well Ryan, Flacco, Freeman, and Bradford have done in regards to picking up down franchises you know that the Panthers front office is going to remember that and take Luck. If they don't they may very well lose their jobs. People will be calling for their heads across the south.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:45 PM
Look at it this way; if their roles were reversed, I'm dead certain Tebow could lead Stanford to the kind of season they've had with Luck, but could Luck step into the NFL as a rookie starter for the first time against the Raiders and two weeks later against the NFL's top defense, with very little preparation, a coaching staff in tatters, rumors about the owner, rumors about his own position, a leaky offensive line and no running game...and perform as well as Tebow has? I'm not sure Elway himself could have played as well as Tim has under these conditions, let alone Andrew Luck.


Without changinig the offense? I dont think so. Not Tebow of today. I'll give you Tebow of 1-2 years. That is a pro-style offense, not gimmick FLA stuff that has yet to work in NFL.

yerner
01-03-2011, 09:47 PM
There wont be a labor agreement. With that uncertainty, Im predicting, he'll say "whats the hurry". If he turns pro and theres no agreement, he loses a season.

It is a major question mark certainly. But I have heard Luck is more interested in staying to get his degree and less about wanting to play football. I obviously don't know for certain. But looking at what happens to guys like Locker or the huge chance of injury, I just can't see Luck playing football again for free. If he has to sit around and take classes I'm thinking thats ok.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 09:47 PM
Look at it this way; if their roles were reversed, I'm dead certain Tebow could lead Stanford to the kind of season they've had with Luck, but could Luck step into the NFL as a rookie starter for the first time against the Raiders and two weeks later against the NFL's top defense, with very little preparation, a coaching staff in tatters, rumors about the owner, rumors about his own position, a leaky offensive line and no running game...and perform as well as Tebow has? I'm not sure Elway himself could have played as well as Tim has under these conditions, let alone Andrew Luck.

We don't need Luck we need a badass defense to support the stud QB we already have.

You are making too much sense for this thread.

snowspot66
01-03-2011, 09:48 PM
Without changinig the offense? I dont think so. Not Tebow of today. I'll give you Tebow of 1-2 years. That is a pro-style offense, not gimmick FLA stuff that has yet to work in NFL.

The offense the Pats went down to Florida to take notes on won't work in the NFL and is a gimmick offense?

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 09:48 PM
Look at it this way; if their roles were reversed, I'm dead certain Tebow could lead Stanford to the kind of season they've had with Luck, but could Luck step into the NFL as a rookie starter for the first time against the Raiders and two weeks later against the NFL's top defense, with very little preparation, a coaching staff in tatters, rumors about the owner, rumors about his own position, a leaky offensive line and no running game...and perform as well as Tebow has? I'm not sure Elway himself could have played as well as Tim has under these conditions, let alone Andrew Luck.

We don't need Luck we need a badass defense to support the stud QB we already have.

Those who think Luck is the best QB ever would likely disagree.

strafen
01-03-2011, 09:49 PM
One thing I love in a QB is his pocket presence. To be able to stand tall in the pocket, scan the field and step up into his throws is what great QB's do.

I'd love for Tebow to be more patient and work that aspect of his game.
That to me is just as important as his other mechanic flaws

KevinJames
01-03-2011, 09:52 PM
Okay Andrew Luck is the real deal and so is Harbaugh I am impressed

Tebow is a nice what if thought and it be okay if we tried to develop him but if we have a shot at getting Andrew Luck we need to take him and don't even think twice about it one of the most pro ready QBs ive seen ever.

heres the plan and I think Elway may be on board with it too

Try to get Harbaugh to be the HC
Try to get Andrew Luck, if the panthers don't budge than having to develop Tebow is the back up plan.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 09:52 PM
Without changinig the offense? I dont think so. Not Tebow of today. I'll give you Tebow of 1-2 years. That is a pro-style offense, not gimmick FLA stuff that has yet to work in NFL.
Dude...he just showed he can run an offense in the NFL from the first time he stepped onto the field as a rookie starter, and you think he couldn't digest Stanford's playbook? I'm sure it's complicated for a college playbook, but I doubt it rivals the extremely complicated thing McDaniels assemmbled. As for the gimmicy offense Florida uses, well the Pats use alot of that stuff and they seem to do pretty well with it. Tebow has already shown he can accomplish amazing stuff with limited support around him and difficult circumstances, that he's a fighter, a winner and a passionate leader who has already earned respect from NFL veterans. Luck is a college red-shirt sophmore that people think will be great. He obviously has talent...so did Ryan Leaf and alot of other hotshot college QB's so we shall wait and see what he becomes in the NFL. Meanwhile...we have a guy we can win with now so we need to focus on the bird in the hand not the promise of two in the bush.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 09:54 PM
Okay Andrew Luck is the real deal and so is Harbaugh I am impressed

Tebow is a nice what if thought and it be okay if we tried to develop him but if we have a shot at getting Andrew Luck we need to take him and don't even think twice about it one of the most pro ready QBs ive seen ever.

heres the plan and I think Elway may be on board with it too

Try to get Harbaugh to be the HC
Try to get Andrew Luck, if the panthers don't budge than having to develop Tebow is the back up plan.

I dont think we're getting either. Id love to get Harbaugh though.

Durango
01-03-2011, 09:54 PM
I still won't be surprised at all if Luck goes back to Stanford next season.


I wouldn't be shocked, I would be stunned. Injury or any drop whatsoever in performance could cost Luck 20-30 million dollars (see Locker at Washington U). Add to that the fact that his coach is probably headed elsewhere, whether it be the NFL or Michigan. He would be insane going back.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 09:55 PM
I wouldn't be shocked, I would be stunned. Injury or any drop whatsoever in performance could cost Luck 20-30 million dollars (see Locker at Washington U). Add to that the fact that his coach is probably headed elsewhere, whether it be the NFL or Michigan, he isn't going back.

If he's smart, he wont go back.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 09:55 PM
Okay Andrew Luck is the real deal and so is Harbaugh I am impressed

Tebow is a nice what if thought and it be okay if we tried to develop him but if we have a shot at getting Andrew Luck we need to take him and don't even think twice about it one of the most pro ready QBs ive seen ever.

heres the plan and I think Elway may be on board with it too

Try to get Harbaugh to be the HC
Try to get Andrew Luck, if the panthers don't budge than having to develop Tebow is the back up plan.
I'm sure Tebow will be pleased with that once it falls through. Carolina would be idiots to pass on Luck and we'd be idiots to give them enough reason to do so.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-03-2011, 09:57 PM
Dude...he just showed he can run an offense in the NFL from the first time he stepped onto the field as a rookie starter, and you think he couldn't digest Stanford's playbook? I'm sure it's complicated for a college playbook, but I doubt it rivals the extremely complicated thing McDaniels assemmbled. As for the gimmicy offense Florida uses, well the Pats use alot of that stuff and they seem to do pretty well with it. Tebow has already shown he can accomplish amazing stuff with limited support around him and difficult circumstances, that he's a fighter, a winner and a passionate leader who has already earned respect from NFL veterans. Luck is a college red-shirt freshman that people think will be great. He obviously has talent...so did Ryan Leaf and alot of other hotshot college QB's so we shall wait and see what he becomes in the NFL. Meanwhile...we have a guy we can win with now so we need to focus on the bird in the hand not the promise of two in the bush.

Double knob bob with Agememnon footsteps. Dont forget to cup the balls.

I told you, he is saving himself.

KevinJames
01-03-2011, 09:58 PM
I'm sure Tebow will be pleased with that once it falls through. Carolina would be idiots to pass on Luck and we'd be idiots to give them enough reason to do so.

We would be brilliant if we could give them a reason how about trading Orton or Tebow and one of our later picks ^5

I would do that in a heart beat.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:59 PM
Look at it this way; if their roles were reversed, I'm dead certain Tebow could lead Stanford to the kind of season they've had with Luck, but could Luck step into the NFL as a rookie starter for the first time against the Raiders and two weeks later against the NFL's top defense, with very little preparation, a coaching staff in tatters, rumors about the owner, rumors about his own position, a leaky offensive line and no running game...and perform as well as Tebow has? I'm not sure Elway himself could have played as well as Tim has under these conditions, let alone Andrew Luck.

We don't need Luck we need a badass defense to support the stud QB we already have.

Tebow is nowhere near the pocket QB Luck is. You're dreaming.

Some guys on this site are starting to sound like those Gainesville girls who were throwing their panties at Timmy.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 09:59 PM
Double knob bob with Agememnon footsteps. Dont forget to cup the balls.

I told you, he is saving himself.

The dude gave you a pretty clear and reasonable line of thinking, and all you have is homoerotic innuendo?

I mean, that stuff is great for pissing matches in bars, but you cant expect that intelligent people would take that with any more than a smirk and a roll of the eyes.

strafen
01-03-2011, 09:59 PM
I wouldn't be shocked, I would be stunned. Injury or any drop whatsoever in performance could cost Luck 20-30 million dollars (see Locker at Washington U). Add to that the fact that his coach is probably headed elsewhere, whether it be the NFL or Michigan. He would be insane going back.

I think that both Harbaugh and Luck appear to be waitng to see who makes the first move. Ha!
Seriously, I think if Harbaugh stays, Luck will stay, more so than if Luck stays Harbaugh would stay.
I think with Luck having one more year of elegibility remaining, that Harbaugh can make his move now.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 10:01 PM
We would be brilliant if we could give them a reason how about trading Orton or Tebow and one of our later picks

I would do that in a heart beat.

Thats what most people would call "mismanagement".

Inkana7
01-03-2011, 10:02 PM
Tebow beat the **** out of an overmatched opponent in his last bowl game too.

TailgateNut
01-03-2011, 10:02 PM
Tebow is nowhere near the pocket QB Luck is. You're dreaming.

Some guys on this site are starting to sound like those Gainesville girls who were throwing their panties at Timmy.


Some????

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 10:03 PM
I wouldn't be shocked, I would be stunned. Injury or any drop whatsoever in performance could cost Luck 20-30 million dollars (see Locker at Washington U). Add to that the fact that his coach is probably headed elsewhere, whether it be the NFL or Michigan. He would be insane going back.

Didn't Payton and Eli both go back for their final years?

KevinJames
01-03-2011, 10:03 PM
Tebow is nowhere near the pocket QB Luck is. You're dreaming.

Some guys on this site are starting to sound like those Gainesville girls who were throwing their panties at Timmy.

Lol as much as I like Tebow he is not anywhere near the passer Luck is.

and like I said I got nothing against Tebow, but I do have something against some of his die hard supporters like the guy can't do wrong or something its really annoying when you criticize a rookie constructively and a guy calls you a hater, might be a blessing in disguise to rid ourselves of Tebow for a true traditional pro style QB and yeah he can run too if he needs.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 10:05 PM
Double knob bob with Agememnon footsteps. Dont forget to cup the balls.

I told you, he is saving himself.
Save the jr. high sexual humor and see if you can actually respond to the point I"m making. You're saying Tebow is incapable of digesting Stanford's playbook even if he's in their program as the QB, yet he was able to digest McDaniels offense, which is undoubtedly far more complicated.

Is that correct?

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 10:08 PM
Save the jr. high sexual humor and see if you can actually respond to the point I"m making. You're saying Tebow is incapable of digesting Stanford's playbook even if he's in their program as the QB, yet he was able to digest McDaniels offense, which is undoubtedly far more complicated.

Is that correct?

He certainly couldn't digest Rivera's coverages on Sunday. But he knew enough to take off.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 10:08 PM
Save the jr. high sexual humor and see if you can actually respond to the point I"m making. You're saying Tebow is incapable of digesting Stanford's playbook even if he's in their program as the QB, yet he was able to digest McDaniels offense, which is undoubtedly far more complicated.

Is that correct?

Stanford would have fallen all over themselves for a blue chip QB like Tebow.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 10:09 PM
Stanford would have fallen all over themselves for a blue chip QB like Tebow.

I doubt it. They already have Marecic.

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 10:09 PM
He certainly couldn't digest Rivera's coverages on Sunday. But he knew enough to take off.

Thats probably the strangest line of reasoning I have seen in this thread of fawning Lucklove....

Somehow Tebow is playing against lesser defenses in the pros than Luck is in college?

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 10:10 PM
Tebow is nowhere near the pocket QB Luck is. You're dreaming.

Some guys on this site are starting to sound like those Gainesville girls who were throwing their panties at Timmy.
Show me where I said anything about what kind of pocket QB Tebow is, let alone compared him in that regard to Luck. What I said, was that if the roles were reversed, I'm certain Tebow could be as successful with Stanford as Luck is, especially if Harbaugh is all that as most of you seem to think. I question whether Luck could have stepped in under the same circumstances as Tebow has and done what Tim has done his first three games. Elway sucked his rookie year, so you're exempting Luck from that? Why, because you saw him run a pro style offense agaisnt West Virginia?

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2011, 10:10 PM
I doubt it. They already have Marecic.

Sure. Ha!

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 10:11 PM
He certainly couldn't digest Rivera's coverages on Sunday. But he knew enough to take off.
I'm pretty sure runing a pro style offense against Washington State, Arizona or even West Virginia is a bit less complicated than it is running one against the Chargers.

Durango
01-03-2011, 10:12 PM
Didn't Payton and Eli both go back for their final years?


Yes, and both should be admired for their dedication to their school and teammates, but the fact remains that there is no time like the present for Luck. Leinart probably would've been a top five bust, uh, pick had he left his junior year. Staying cost him many millions.

I'm not claiming it's absolutely the right thing to do, rather, the smart thing to do.