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Jesterhole
01-03-2011, 05:18 AM
Interesting, he doesn't think Harbaugh is even considering Denver. Maybe there is no Standford Plan after all?



San Francisco: As I said on NBC last night, the Niners have targeted Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, and I believe by Wednesday Harbaugh will choose between the University of Michigan and the 49ers; Stanford, I suppose, could get be in the mix if he gets emotional about leaving a place he loves. Logic says Michigan is in the lead, but his brother, Baltimore coach John Harbaugh, told me Sunday Jim doesn't know what he'll do. I also said if the Niners are spurned on Harbaugh, I expect them to monitor the Jeff Fisher situation in Tennessee closely, and if Fisher and the Titans divorce, San Francisco will jump in aggressively.

Minnesota: Sounds very much like Frazier will have the job full-time by the end of the day today.

Dallas: Ditto Jason Garrett.

Cincinnati: Marvin Lewis told me the Bengals need to figure out if they still want him. "I don't know that I've made up my mind about staying, either,'' he said. "Everyone needs a little time.'' I expect a divorce there, but you can never tell what club owner Mike Brown's going to do, because he's so good at keeping his own counsel. Defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer would be a convenient replacement.

Cleveland: I've heard for a couple of months Mike Holmgren wants his offense run in Cleveland, and the incumbents aren't doing so. The season-ending four-game losing streak will likely do in Eric Mangini, as early as today, and I expect Holmgren to strongly consider Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg as the next coach. Holmgren, as a high school head coach 30 years ago, coached quarterback Mornhinweg at a San Jose school. John Fox is also interested, a friend of Holmgren's, and may have the man to coordinate the West Coast offense the way Holmgren wants it in Denver offensive coordinator Mike McCoy. I think Fox could bring McCoy with him.

Carolina: I've thought the profile here is low-cost coordinator (owner Jerry Richardson won't ever pay a coach $6-million a year, which Fox made this year, again), with the preference being a strong defensive guy. Rob Ryan makes sense, and the Panthers should jump to interview Zimmer.

Miami: I thought Tony Sparano would skate through because owner Stephen Ross wanted to give him another year. But then the Dolphins lost to Buffalo and Detroit at home, then no-showed in a 38-7 loss at Foxboro Sunday. Now I think he'll be gone. Who comes in, I have no clue ...

Denver: After hiring John Elway, the Broncos will try to convince Jim Harbaugh to consider their gig. Highly unlikely. I think they want a guy who can coach Tim Tebow ...

Tennessee: As Jay Glazer reported, there's a big meeting today in Houston, where owner Bud Adams will try to figure out if Jeff Fisher and Vince Young can co-exist. Common sense says they can't. But Fisher's been there 16 years. He's been to the edge of a cliff with Adams a couple of times before and worked it out. I think there's a chance that'll happen this time too -- and if it doesn't, he'll have a soft landing spot in San Francisco.

Oakland: Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times actually tweeted Saturday that he thought Tom Cable would be out, and Adam Schefter followed that up with a similar report Sunday. Which figures, doesn't it? Just when they've got some momentum (6-0 AFC West record), they think of whacking the Cable guy in favor of the offensive coordinator, Hue Jackson. Jackson, if he doesn't get the Raider job, could be a strong candidate in Denver or Cincinnati too.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/01/02/week-17/index.html#ixzz19ygkTIbz

frerottenextelway
01-03-2011, 05:25 AM
Sounds like our guess is as good as his.

Jesterhole
01-03-2011, 05:29 AM
Well, Peter King talked to Harbaugh's brother...so his guess is probably better.

frerottenextelway
01-03-2011, 05:32 AM
True, sounds like his brother gave some good inside info there.

meangene
01-03-2011, 05:37 AM
I think money will play a large factor with Harbaugh also. We simply can't compete with the money SF or Michigan can throw at him given we will be paying three coaches for next season. SF offers a good situation very close to his current home if he bypasses his alma mater. I think we come down to Mularkey and Rivera, ultimately. Either of these would be fine with me. Rivera would need a top notch OC to work with Tebow, while Mularkey's DC would be critical. Please, just not Fossil!

backup qb
01-03-2011, 05:37 AM
So if we can't/don't land Harbaugh, who moves to next on the list? Where is Gruden's name in all of this?

backup qb
01-03-2011, 05:38 AM
I forgot about Mularkey's name being out there. Rivera would be an interesting choice. Not that it matters, but I could probably buy into Rivera.

SoDak Bronco
01-03-2011, 05:42 AM
Oakland: Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times actually tweeted Saturday that he thought Tom Cable would be out, and Adam Schefter followed that up with a similar report Sunday. Which figures, doesn't it? Just when they've got some momentum (6-0 AFC West record), they think of whacking the Cable guy in favor of the offensive coordinator, Hue Jackson. Jackson, if he doesn't get the Raider job, could be a strong candidate in Denver or Cincinnati too.

strafen
01-03-2011, 05:44 AM
Sounds like our guess is as good as his.

I was going to say...
Who do you believe?
Even Schefter said he was going to Michigan a couple of days ago, and then later said Denver...

Jesterhole
01-03-2011, 05:44 AM
True, sounds like his brother gave some good inside info there.

You're right. Your guess, from inside your trailer park on your DSL connection, is just as good as Peter King's. How could I have thought otherwise?

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-03-2011, 05:51 AM
How dare he doubt the influential powers of The Elway!

Kaylore
01-03-2011, 05:52 AM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.

Cosmo
01-03-2011, 05:54 AM
I smell the proverbial sh*t thrown against the wall.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-03-2011, 05:55 AM
Please, just not Fossil!

Yeah, Fossil would probably want to replace Kuper with Foneco.

gunns
01-03-2011, 05:57 AM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.

Amen

Broncoman13
01-03-2011, 06:03 AM
I could definitely live with Rivera and a strong OC... who for OC though?

BroncoInferno
01-03-2011, 06:09 AM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.

Unfortunately, they did. Xanders, who will report to Elway.:oyvey:

Hogan11
01-03-2011, 06:43 AM
I smell the proverbial sh*t thrown against the wall.

OIOW the usual Peter King article

Garcia Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:44 AM
at least he named an actual source.

lostknight
01-03-2011, 06:46 AM
Thank Goodness.

People need to take this thread, then go back and re-read the Urban Meyer arguments. If College Coaches near universally suck going into the NFL, and if college games don't translate well, why on earth would you take a pass on the guy on top of the college profession (who doesn't have any real NFL experience) to the guy who who has one good year under his belt at Stanford, and doesn't have any real NFL experience (except a year and a half as a QB coach in oakland?).

Likwid Kerruj
01-03-2011, 06:48 AM
Whatever Peter King says, the opposite usually happens.

Rugby7
01-03-2011, 06:55 AM
Hue Jackson. Jackson, if he doesn't get the Raider job, could be a strong candidate in Denver or Cincinnati too.

That would suck. Dude should stay in acting, I like those Wolverine movies.

Beantown Bronco
01-03-2011, 06:59 AM
That would suck. Dude should stay in acting, I like those Wolverine movies.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

That sound you just heard was Rev's head exploding.

TonyR
01-03-2011, 07:00 AM
Interesting. This is contrary to what I heard on Fox Sports Radio yesterday. They said Harbaugh wasn't interested in San Fran. But it looks like King's info is better. Here I thought Harbaugh was a done deal and now it looks far from that.

TonyR
01-03-2011, 07:01 AM
Unfortunately, they did. Xanders, who will report to Elway.:oyvey:

Yup, I'll be surprised if we get a "real" GM. As I've been saying, nobody will want to answer to Elway. Hope I'm wrong.

frerottenextelway
01-03-2011, 07:02 AM
You're right. Your guess, from inside your trailer park on your DSL connection, is just as good as Peter King's. How could I have thought otherwise?

"Jim doesn't know what he'll do" is one powerful quote.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-03-2011, 07:09 AM
King quotes Harbaugh's brother who says he doesn't know what Jim will do. Then, King makes up his own nugget about wanting someone that can coach Tebow, adding "I think". I'd put more faith in Harbaugh not knowing what his brother will do at this point. It's up in the air.

meangene
01-03-2011, 07:12 AM
I could definitely live with Rivera and a strong OC... who for OC though?

Hard to say - not many OC would want to make a lateral move so I think you would want to look at QB coaches. Couple of names that come to mind: Tom Clements in GB, Alex Van Pelt in TB, maybe Jim Zorn in Balt.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 07:15 AM
Thank Goodness.

People need to take this thread, then go back and re-read the Urban Meyer arguments. If College Coaches near universally suck going into the NFL, and if college games don't translate well, why on earth would you take a pass on the guy on top of the college profession (who doesn't have any real NFL experience) to the guy who who has one good year under his belt at Stanford, and doesn't have any real NFL experience (except a year and a half as a QB coach in oakland?).
Major Rep.

footstepsfrom#27
01-03-2011, 07:17 AM
King quotes Harbaugh's brother who says he doesn't know what Jim will do. Then, King makes up his own nugget about wanting someone that can coach Tebow, adding "I think". I'd put more faith in Harbaugh not knowing what his brother will do at this point. It's up in the air.
Harbaugh can't coach Tebow? Why not? ??? It's not like this guy's hard to coach.

Peter King had to write a collumn...that's about it.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 07:21 AM
Hard to say - not many OC would want to make a lateral move so I think you would want to look at QB coaches. Couple of names that come to mind: Tom Clements in GB, Alex Van Pelt in TB, maybe Jim Zorn in Balt.

Greg Knapp is someone that might also be a possibility.

Mile High Shack
01-03-2011, 07:29 AM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.

for better or worse, Xanders is our GM

baja
01-03-2011, 07:29 AM
You're right. Your guess, from inside your trailer park on your DSL connection, is just as good as Peter King's. How could I have thought otherwise?

What a sweet person you are

You bring so much to the board we are so lucky to have you here.

baja
01-03-2011, 07:33 AM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.

Actually Pat needed to hire a new acting owner first and he has done this with John Elway. We are about to see if John Elway can run a team as well off the field as he did on the field. This is Bowlen's bet.

baja
01-03-2011, 07:36 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen,

That sound you just heard was Rev's head exploding.

I think in his case it would have to implode.

Smiling Assassin27
01-03-2011, 07:56 AM
So what Peter is saying is that Harbaugh to Denver is 'lowly likely'...excellent.

Smelvin
01-03-2011, 08:25 AM
I just heard the Stanford play-by-play announcer, Dave Flemming, interviewed on local Bay Area radio. Flemming is a Stanford alum and very in tune with what is going on in Palo Alto. He's also one of the play-by-play guys for the WORLD CHAMPION San Francisco Giants (yes, I just wanted to see it in writing again!).

Anyhow, Flemming was asked the $64,000 questions about Luck and Harbaugh. He actually said he thought Luck would return for another year, that there was likely a 25% chance he goes pro, regardless of what Harbaugh does. The kid just loves school, and all the information suggests QB's rarely thrive in the NFL when playing less than 3 years of college ball.

As for Harbaugh, he was asked to rank the following destinations in terms of likeliness for Harbaugh: SF, Michigan, Denver, Stanford. Flemming said the Niners were most likely, followed by Michigan, then Denver, and then least likely was him returning to Stanford. He said without hesitation that the Niners had the "inside track"....so take it for what it's worth.

I hope he's right about Luck, wrong about Jimmy H.

Go Cardinal!

ScottXray
01-03-2011, 08:44 AM
Harbaughs lack of NFL experience is a head scratcher for me.

I know that Elway loves stanford and maybe he is impressed with
the turn around that H has made there...but it isn't over a significant period of time.

Giving Elway actual full decision making powers is probably a bad mistake, as he is biased towards a strong offense....and falling in love with the NCAA coach dujour is a bad mistake.

I initially liked him but, I hope that Harbaugh picks SF over us, as Id rather see a defensive minded HC.

We HAVE to fix the defense. Lets bring back the Orange Crush, Joe Collier type Defense to Denver. Good CBs, strong safetys, and mauling LB and and D line play.

Steve Sewell
01-03-2011, 08:48 AM
Harbaugh to SF seems to make a lot of sense from a career move standpoint.

1) Young, talented offensive line.
2) Young, talented defensive unit.
3) Frank Gore

SF's biggest deficiency was in the coaching/QB department, and it cost them a bunch of games this year. They are not far away from being a really strong team.

On the flip side, Denver has a lot of work to do. Our defense needs to be completely blown up from a personnel standpoint. I wouldn't even know where to start at this point. However, if you put a strong run stopping defense on the field and complement it with a power running game + Tebow's playmaking ability, and you have a recipe for a strong playoff caliber team in Denver.

Odysseus
01-03-2011, 08:52 AM
I smell the proverbial sh*t thrown against the wall.

Since the wall cannot be correctly identified I would have to say mid stream to a very big fan.

Odysseus
01-03-2011, 08:53 AM
for better or worse, Xanders is our GM

Splack!

Tombstone RJ
01-03-2011, 08:54 AM
Harbaugh to SF seems to make a lot of sense from a career move standpoint.

1) Young, talented offensive line.
2) Young, talented defensive unit.
3) Frank Gore

SF's biggest deficiency was in the coaching/QB department, and it cost them a bunch of games this year. They are not far away from being a really strong team.

On the flip side, Denver has a lot of work to do. Our defense needs to be completely blown up from a personnel standpoint. I wouldn't even know where to start at this point. However, if you put a strong run stopping defense on the field and complement it with a power running game + Tebow's playmaking ability, and you have a recipe for a strong playoff caliber team in Denver.

Harbaugh and SF does make a lot of sense. Bring in Harbaugh, draft the best young QB available in the first round and then go from there. SF has young talent, it's just a matter of getting the QB situation right.

bowtown
01-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Harbaugh and SF does make a lot of sense. Bring in Harbaugh, draft the best young QB available in the first round and then go from there. SF has young talent, it's just a matter of getting the QB situation right.

I have a suggestion for them, and it will only cost their 2nd round pick.

Dedhed
01-03-2011, 08:59 AM
the guy who who has one good year under his belt at Stanford, and doesn't have any real NFL experience

So except as a coach and player he doesn't have any real NFL experience?

Compelling argument.

HEAV
01-03-2011, 09:28 AM
Peter King hasn't been correct on any NFL info in years.

peacepipe
01-03-2011, 09:40 AM
I think money will play a large factor with Harbaugh also. We simply can't compete with the money SF or Michigan can throw at him given we will be paying three coaches for next season. SF offers a good situation very close to his current home if he bypasses his alma mater. I think we come down to Mularkey and Rivera, ultimately. Either of these would be fine with me. Rivera would need a top notch OC to work with Tebow, while Mularkey's DC would be critical. Please, just not Fossil!I wouldn't worry about what Bowlen has to spend. broncos aren't publicly owned. If he wants to spend the money to get a good coach he can afford to do so.

meangene
01-03-2011, 09:48 AM
I wouldn't worry about what Bowlen has to spend. broncos aren't publicly owned. If he wants to spend the money to get a good coach he can afford to do so.

Maybe he can, but I don't see him doing so. Not for Harbaugh, when he is unproven as an NFL coach and not for any of the other big names because they would want too much control. Not saying we can't afford a good coach, but I can't see us paying top dollar for one. Personally, I like Harbaugh - just don't see it happening in Denver.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 09:49 AM
We used some crucial draft picks to get Tebow, and set Orton on the shelf so Tebow could play. Now, we're going to make our coaching decision based on Tebow? Talk about doubling down! If Tebow doesn't repay this investment, it will be a disaster for this franchise.

oubronco
01-03-2011, 09:52 AM
Are they saying that Harbaugh can't coach Tebow?

SpringStein
01-03-2011, 09:54 AM
I have a suggestion for them, and it will only cost their 2nd round pick.

7th to 2nd is going to cost more than a second rounder. And 9ers do have an extra 4th. (If that is what you were referring to)

Tombstone RJ
01-03-2011, 09:59 AM
7th to 2nd is going to cost more than a second rounder. And 9ers do have an extra 4th. (If that is what you were referring to)

I think bowtown was referring to Orton... a 2nd for Orton...

bendog
01-03-2011, 10:00 AM
That's mean about Peter King. He is right sometimes. He orders well at lunch

INbronco
01-03-2011, 10:01 AM
7th to 2nd is going to cost more than a second rounder. And 9ers do have an extra 4th. (If that is what you were referring to)
I think he meant Orton to SF for a 2nd.^5

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-03-2011, 10:02 AM
If we get Jackson, can we at least call him "Huge Jackson"? Please?

Coach Huge just has such a nice ring to it. Frankly, I'm shocked there's not a pornstar already named Huge Ackman.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-03-2011, 10:03 AM
That's mean about Peter King. He is right sometimes. He orders well at lunch

True. But he orders twice at lunch, so he's sure to have SOMEthing he likes.

cutthemdown
01-03-2011, 10:04 AM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.

They won't they are going to go cheap and keep Xanders.

BroncosMT
01-03-2011, 10:15 AM
I was hoping they would have Ron Rivera stay another night and interview him while he was here

Tombstone RJ
01-03-2011, 10:35 AM
I was hoping they would have Ron Rivera stay another night and interview him while he was here

yep, however with Elway not officially with the team, might have been putting the cart before the horse.

We can only hope the Broncos are smart enough to bring Rivera in for an interview.

SpringStein
01-03-2011, 10:59 AM
I think he meant Orton to SF for a 2nd.^5

Ahh, sorry if I read into the wrong idea. You're probably right.

Williams
01-03-2011, 11:40 AM
King would have been well suited doing a little more research before writing this article. Based on Harbaugh's opinion on Tebow, I would be inclined to believe Tebow's presence would be more a positive than a negative in attracting Harbaugh to Denver.

Harbaugh on Tebow:

“The value of a running quarterback, somebody who can pick up four or five first downs a game, is huge. That keeps drives alive and leads to points. That’s a huge asset. [Tebow is] a winner. He’s got tremendous athletic instincts. I’m sure the Broncos know what they’re looking at it in terms of accuracy, decision-making and timing.”

“I look at Tim Tebow’s throwing motion and it doesn’t look that much different than Steve Young‘s, if you put them next to each other. Steve Young would drop the ball when he threw it. And he’s a Hall of Fame quarterback. To me it’s more important to be natural than it is to shave a tenth of a second off the time it takes to get rid of the ball.”

“I don’t mess with a guy’s throwing motion. It’s more mechanics. It’s footwork. It’s accuracy and decision-making. […] Say he only looks at one read and then runs. He can be effective that way. [But] I don’t think that’s the most effective way to be a quarterback. […] Ideally, you want to be able to get through three reads and then, if [the open receiver is] not there [run].”

http://www.onlygators.com/06/07/2010/tebow-adds-more-supporters-lofty-comparisons/#ixzz19wL662lR

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5236931

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
01-03-2011, 11:42 AM
I think Denver's toughest competition will be Michigan, not San Francisco.

The Jed York-led 49ers isn't exactly a rosy front office situation.

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
01-03-2011, 11:43 AM
“I look at Tim Tebow’s throwing motion and it doesn’t look that much different than Steve Young‘s, if you put them next to each other. Steve Young would drop the ball when he threw it. And he’s a Hall of Fame quarterback. To me it’s more important to be natural than it is to shave a tenth of a second off the time it takes to get rid of the ball.”



Nice find Williams.

Yesterday Tim Tebow looked very Steve Young-like with the way he moved his feet.

bowtown
01-03-2011, 12:01 PM
Ahh, sorry if I read into the wrong idea. You're probably right.

Yeah, I was suggesting that SF trade us their 2nd for Orton.

srphoenix
01-03-2011, 01:14 PM
PFT posted a story about Michael Lombardi pairing up with Harbaugh at San Fran now... will be interesting to see how this all unfolds after the orange bowl. Tonight's college game should be a fun one to watch. (no andrew luck for me though unless we can trade him for picks, Tebow all the way in Denver)

Taco John
01-03-2011, 01:19 PM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.

I think the Xanders ship has sailed, and Elway will be the god of all thing Broncos.

bendog
01-03-2011, 01:23 PM
I think he stays because of how the DPO is doing an image rehabilitation equal to what the ruskies would do when Stalin let someone out of a gulag. Elway doesn't want to do cap stuff, and he probably wouldn't know how if he did. Elway's not going to sit in a basement and watch film 8 hours a day either, but I figure he will find someone who will.

Kaylore
01-03-2011, 01:26 PM
I think the Xanders ship has sailed, and Elway will be the god of all thing Broncos.

I still am not sold on that. Aside from the fact Elway disqualified himself, which no one seems to consider, I still think Elway will be executive VP of football operations and chair a committee that selects either the GM or the coach.

My hope is that Elway and Bowlen will announce a GM relatively soon and all of them will have input in selecting the coach.

My fear, and what is likely coming to pass, is Ellis has been pushing hard for Bowlen to hire a GM, but Bowlen doesn't like that because he doesn't know how to run that model. So he decides to hire Elway because he's never known winning football without him. Elway and Bowlen just pick a coach they like and give him absolute power. The result would be the same as McDaniels since coaches make terrible personnel evaluators. We'd be revisiting this all again in three years.

At least in that case perhaps Bowlen would consider selling the team to someone who understands what kind of power structure needs to be in place to win in this millennium.

colonelbeef
01-03-2011, 01:46 PM
I think money will play a large factor with Harbaugh also. We simply can't compete with the money SF or Michigan can throw at him given we will be paying three coaches for next season. SF offers a good situation very close to his current home if he bypasses his alma mater. I think we come down to Mularkey and Rivera, ultimately. Either of these would be fine with me. Rivera would need a top notch OC to work with Tebow, while Mularkey's DC would be critical. Please, just not Fossil!

Lol, of course the Broncos could pay whatever they wanted to, as a few million here or there means nothing next to the long term stability of a billion dollar franchise.

Rohirrim
01-03-2011, 02:11 PM
Peter King is a dolt.

zdoor
01-03-2011, 02:12 PM
I still am not sold on that. Aside from the fact Elway disqualified himself, which no one seems to consider, I still think Elway will be executive VP of football operations and chair a committee that selects either the GM or the coach.

My hope is that Elway and Bowlen will announce a GM relatively soon and all of them will have input in selecting the coach.

My fear, and what is likely coming to pass, is Ellis has been pushing hard for Bowlen to hire a GM, but Bowlen doesn't like that because he doesn't know how to run that model. So he decides to hire Elway because he's never known winning football without him. Elway and Bowlen just pick a coach they like and give him absolute power. The result would be the same as McDaniels since coaches make terrible personnel evaluators. We'd be revisiting this all again in three years.

At least in that case perhaps Bowlen would consider selling the team to someone who understands what kind of power structure needs to be in place to win in this millennium.

I've thought there's a possibility that Pat might be really thinking his mental capacity is diminishing and has selected Elway as the defacto new owner. Maybe this is the beginning of that...

Braxton34
01-03-2011, 02:19 PM
How about Michael Lombardi and Jim Harbaugh in Denver? I thought Lombardi had some ties here.

Dudeskey
01-03-2011, 04:22 PM
How about Michael Lombardi and Jim Harbaugh in Denver? I thought Lombardi had some ties here.

Yeah, there's a sports journalist here w/ the same last name :wiggle:

extralife
01-03-2011, 04:24 PM
The Jed York-led 49ers isn't exactly a rosy front office situation.

as opposed to our front office? which more or less doesn't even exist? at least the Niners are going to hire a GM

Ray Finkle
01-03-2011, 04:29 PM
How about Michael Lombardi and Jim Harbaugh in Denver? I thought Lombardi had some ties here.

If Lombardi was so good...he wouldn't be available. The guy is a class A+++ reporter/writer but a back stabbing prick in the front office.

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 06:12 PM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.They are...his name is Brian Xanders.

Hamrob
01-03-2011, 06:16 PM
I still am not sold on that. Aside from the fact Elway disqualified himself, which no one seems to consider, I still think Elway will be executive VP of football operations and chair a committee that selects either the GM or the coach.

My hope is that Elway and Bowlen will announce a GM relatively soon and all of them will have input in selecting the coach.

My fear, and what is likely coming to pass, is Ellis has been pushing hard for Bowlen to hire a GM, but Bowlen doesn't like that because he doesn't know how to run that model. So he decides to hire Elway because he's never known winning football without him. Elway and Bowlen just pick a coach they like and give him absolute power. The result would be the same as McDaniels since coaches make terrible personnel evaluators. We'd be revisiting this all again in three years.

At least in that case perhaps Bowlen would consider selling the team to someone who understands what kind of power structure needs to be in place to win in this millennium.I just don't get...why so many of you...fail to read the writing on the wall. Schefter has already reported that Elway will be appointed VP of Football Operations and Xanders is thought to be given full GM responsibility. Which is why Xanders came out in that DP article saying that he's prepared 17yrs for this. That's a done deal guys...get over your hopes for a new GM

VP of Football Operations: John Elway
General Manager (GM): Brian Xanders
Coach: Vacant

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:52 PM
So is there anything other than Peter King's guesses in this report?

Agamemnon
01-03-2011, 06:54 PM
I just don't get...why so many of you...fail to read the writing on the wall. Schefter has already reported that Elway will be appointed VP of Football Operations and Xanders is thought to be given full GM responsibility. Which is why Xanders came out in that DP article saying that he's prepared 17yrs for this. That's a done deal guys...get over your hopes for a new GM

VP of Football Operations: John Elway
General Manager (GM): Brian Xanders
Coach: Vacant

I think some of us are just holding out hope until it's official. Personally, Xanders and Elway do not fill me with much hope. Two rookies who have never actually built a team, and they're going to save us? Oh boy...

Odysseus
01-04-2011, 01:17 AM
I think the Xanders ship has sailed, and Elway will be the god of all thing Broncos.

Are you saying Xanders is little more than a fall guy?

elsid13
01-04-2011, 02:28 AM
Are you saying Xanders is little more than a fall guy?

I think the exact title is "Executive Pizza Getter" or Lee Majors.

Bronco Yoda
01-04-2011, 04:39 AM
Ok, I changed it Pseudofool. You're right. It was over the top Ha! I have no problem complying to a reasonable request done respectfuly.


Chucky! :)

Pseudofool
01-04-2011, 04:59 AM
I still am not sold on that. Aside from the fact Elway disqualified himself, which no one seems to consider, I still think Elway will be executive VP of football operations and chair a committee that selects either the GM or the coach.

My hope is that Elway and Bowlen will announce a GM relatively soon and all of them will have input in selecting the coach.

My fear, and what is likely coming to pass, is Ellis has been pushing hard for Bowlen to hire a GM, but Bowlen doesn't like that because he doesn't know how to run that model. So he decides to hire Elway because he's never known winning football without him. Elway and Bowlen just pick a coach they like and give him absolute power. The result would be the same as McDaniels since coaches make terrible personnel evaluators. We'd be revisiting this all again in three years.

At least in that case perhaps Bowlen would consider selling the team to someone who understands what kind of power structure needs to be in place to win in this millennium.That's as you say, a worse case scenario. The Broncos Brass, one would imagine given the uncharacteristic actions of late, have learned something from McDaniels and Shanny's post-Elway years. I think the notion of handing final say/absolute power is very remote. If not, we're just totally screwed, until we get new ownership or get lucky.

Odysseus
01-04-2011, 10:55 AM
I think the exact title is "Executive Pizza Getter" or Lee Majors.

True!

Taco John
01-04-2011, 11:14 AM
The way I see it, the position of GM will essentially be an Executive Assistant to John Elway in the same way that they were an executive assistant to Mike Shanahan. That's not to say they won't have power to hire and fire their scouting staffs. But I think they'll deliver their player recommendations to John, and John will pull the trigger. I think John will take his input from both the GM/Scouting dept, as well as take into account what the coaching staff is telling him, and make what he thinks is the best decision possible.

I don't see it as a bad model. Having a GM with all the power isn't a magic wand to winning. In fact, I think this model might work out better because it employs a VP of football operations to mediate between the GM and the coach.

Agamemnon
01-04-2011, 11:17 AM
The way I see it, the position of GM will essentially be an Executive Assistant to John Elway in the same way that they were an executive assistant to Mike Shanahan. That's not to say they won't have power to hire and fire their scouting staffs. But I think they'll deliver their player recommendations to John, and John will pull the trigger. I think John will take his input from both the GM/Scouting dept, as well as take into account what the coaching staff is telling him, and make what he thinks is the best decision possible.

I don't see it as a bad model. Having a GM with all the power isn't a magic wand to winning. In fact, I think this model might work out better because it employs a VP of football operations to mediate between the GM and the coach.

You don't see handing that kind of power to a complete noob as a bad model? Really?

Beantown Bronco
01-04-2011, 11:17 AM
The way I see it, the position of GM will essentially be an Executive Assistant to John Elway in the same way that they were an executive assistant to Mike Shanahan. That's not to say they won't have power to hire and fire their scouting staffs. But I think they'll deliver their player recommendations to John, and John will pull the trigger. I think John will take his input from both the GM/Scouting dept, as well as take into account what the coaching staff is telling him, and make what he thinks is the best decision possible.

I don't see it as a bad model. Having a GM with all the power isn't a magic wand to winning. In fact, I think this model might work out better because it employs a VP of football operations to mediate between the GM and the coach.

The problem is, the Broncos already have a guy with the GM title, PLUS a CEO, PLUS whatever Elway is.....and that's before you take into account whatever role the new coach is going to demand in the process. And that's assuming Pat stays completely the hell out of the equation.

Too many cooks in the kitchen, with too little track record, for my taste.

Tombstone RJ
01-04-2011, 11:21 AM
The way I see it, the position of GM will essentially be an Executive Assistant to John Elway in the same way that they were an executive assistant to Mike Shanahan. That's not to say they won't have power to hire and fire their scouting staffs. But I think they'll deliver their player recommendations to John, and John will pull the trigger. I think John will take his input from both the GM/Scouting dept, as well as take into account what the coaching staff is telling him, and make what he thinks is the best decision possible.

I don't see it as a bad model. Having a GM with all the power isn't a magic wand to winning. In fact, I think this model might work out better because it employs a VP of football operations to mediate between the GM and the coach.

This certainly appears to be the power structure. I'm just hoping Elway listens to the scouts and to Xanders and then makes the best decision for the team. The first step is to get the HC in place and then the front office will have a real committee to evaluate the team and decide the best course of action when it comes to things like the draft and FA. Elway, Xanders and HC will come up with a plan and then it will but up to them to execute that plan. Elway will oversee and have final say which may or may not be a good thing. Again, it will be up to him to steer the ship. I'm hoping he's the next Ozzie Newsome...

400HZ
01-04-2011, 12:03 PM
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/356010/riverax.jpg

Ron Rivera has coached two #1 ranked defenses. A 4-3 in Chicago and a 3-4 in San Diego. His defense in Chicago went straight to **** after he left (and probably will in San Diego as well.) He's off the highly respected Jim Johnson defensive coaching tree. He's never been a head coach before and therefore will likely be a cheaper hire. He's a disciplinarian, which owners have to like in the Goodell-era of increased player accountability. He actually played the game at the NFL level, which means (1) he can relate players and (2) he knows what players need to do in order to be successful.

I've seen him mentioned several times on here. I'm surprised that the media doesn't consider him a top candidate. Carolina will be interviewing him shortly.

Tombstone RJ
01-04-2011, 12:12 PM
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/356010/riverax.jpg

Ron Rivera has coached two #1 ranked defenses. A 4-3 in Chicago and a 3-4 in San Diego. His defense in Chicago went straight to **** after he left (and probably will in San Diego as well.) He's off the highly respected Jim Johnson defensive coaching tree. He's never been a head coach before and therefore will likely be a cheaper hire. He's a disciplinarian, which owners have to like in the Goodell-era of increased player accountability. He actually played the game at the NFL level, which means (1) he can relate players and (2) he knows what players need to do in order to be successful.

I've seen him mentioned several times on here. I'm surprised that the media doesn't consider him a top candidate. Carolina will be interviewing him shortly.

I really, really like Rivera and I'd love for him to be the next HC of the Broncos. That being said, Elway will probably go with a HC that has a background with building offenses.

orangemonkey
01-04-2011, 12:14 PM
I think some of us are just holding out hope until it's official. Personally, Xanders and Elway do not fill me with much hope. Two rookies who have never actually built a team, and they're going to save us? Oh boy... These two, a new HC (yes, even Studs) and proper division of power is light years ahead of the insecure failure making all of the decisions the past two years.

listopencil
01-04-2011, 12:22 PM
I wish they'd hire a GM first.

You know what's weird? I was going to argue that they already were planning to do that based on this quote:


per PFT:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/02/this-ones-for-john-elway-set-to-run-broncos/


Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Elway and the Broncos have reached agreement on a deal that will make Elway an executive VP of the team......Former G.M. Brian Xanders will reportedly answer to Elway and Schefter reports the first order of business for Elway will be to try to hire Jim Harbaugh from Stanford. (Wonder if Elway has any connections there?)


Good stuff, though very very scary that a guy with no experience will be making significant team choices. I know hes a good football and business mind, but this really needs to be more like ozzie newsome and less like matt millen. Can someone do a coach chronicle on harbaugh?

Also per PFT: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/12/as-elway-prepares-to-join-broncos-other-teams-nod-and-smile/


Then I looked at the article again and it does not refer to Xanders as the former GM. So...either tsiguy lied or they changed the article.

listopencil
01-04-2011, 12:27 PM
This certainly appears to be the power structure. I'm just hoping Elway listens to the scouts and to Xanders and then makes the best decision for the team. The first step is to get the HC in place and then the front office will have a real committee to evaluate the team and decide the best course of action when it comes to things like the draft and FA. Elway, Xanders and HC will come up with a plan and then it will but up to them to execute that plan. Elway will oversee and have final say which may or may not be a good thing. Again, it will be up to him to steer the ship. I'm hoping he's the next Ozzie Newsome...

Well, we tried it with the HC holding this title and it didn't work. It looks to me like Elway is basically taking Bowlen's old role in the organization. So it's not "Oh ****, Elway's the GM. We're screwed!". It's gonna be "Holy ****, maybe Elway will try running the team sober, hell yeah!"

Kaylore
01-04-2011, 12:32 PM
You know what's weird? I was going to argue that they already were planning to do that based on this quote:





Then I looked at the article again and it does not refer to Xanders as the former GM. So...either tsiguy lied or they changed the article.

That is weird.

listopencil
01-04-2011, 12:33 PM
Chucky!



An Offensive minded coach, with experience, that wants to work with Tebow. Pair him with an experienced DC and a QB-friendly OC and I wouldn't be unhappy.

crowebomber
01-04-2011, 12:37 PM
I really, really like Rivera and I'd love for him to be the next HC of the Broncos. That being said, Elway will probably go with a HC that has a background with building offenses.

How awesome would it be to lock him up as the DC and then pair him with that offensive minded head coach? That said, we first need a HC in place, plus, I'm sure he will be considered for head coaching positions in the college ranks for sure and possibly the NFL.

CEH
01-04-2011, 12:55 PM
You know what's weird? I was going to argue that they already were planning to do that based on this quote:





Then I looked at the article again and it does not refer to Xanders as the former GM. So...either tsiguy lied or they changed the article.

I caught this two days ago in the original thread. I still think we will see someone else with personel experience come in

Interserting quote about Xanders. "Former GM" yet still in the organization
Someone else has to be coming onboard to compliment Xanders

NFLBRONCO
01-04-2011, 01:24 PM
I think things happen after tomorrow when John is offically in charge.

ayjackson
01-04-2011, 01:51 PM
As I remember the quote, it read as Xanders being the former GM under the old regime, but did not imply that he wouldn`t be the future GM too.

listopencil
01-04-2011, 01:58 PM
I caught this two days ago in the original thread. I still think we will see someone else with personel experience come in


So did the article originally say "former"?

listopencil
01-04-2011, 02:04 PM
As I remember the quote, it read as Xanders being the former GM under the old regime, but did not imply that he wouldn`t be the future GM too.

This is the pertinent section of the article as it is written at this time:


"Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Elway and the Broncos have reached agreement on a deal that will make Elway an executive VP of the team. The Denver Post reported all week that Elway’s hiring was imminent and wrote Sunday morning that Elway will get the title of VP of football operations. That’s the same title Mike Shanahan held in Denver when he wielded total authority over all things Broncos for more than a decade.

G.M. Brian Xanders will reportedly answer to Elway and Schefter reports the first order of business for Elway will be to try to hire Jim Harbaugh from Stanford. (Wonder if Elway has any connections there?)"




There is nothing in the article that would insinuate that the addition of the word "formal" before his title could mean anything other than Xanders is no longer the GM of the Denver Broncos. Either the article read "Former G.M. Brian Xanders..." and they were reporting that he no longer held that position, or the article did not read "Former G.M...." and tsiguy lied, or the article did read "Former G.M. ..." and it was changed. Pretty straightforward.

ayjackson
01-04-2011, 02:17 PM
This is the pertinent section of the article as it is written at this time:


"Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Elway and the Broncos have reached agreement on a deal that will make Elway an executive VP of the team. The Denver Post reported all week that Elway’s hiring was imminent and wrote Sunday morning that Elway will get the title of VP of football operations. That’s the same title Mike Shanahan held in Denver when he wielded total authority over all things Broncos for more than a decade.

G.M. Brian Xanders will reportedly answer to Elway and Schefter reports the first order of business for Elway will be to try to hire Jim Harbaugh from Stanford. (Wonder if Elway has any connections there?)"

There is nothing in the article that would insinuate that the addition of the word "formal" before his title could mean anything other than Xanders is no longer the GM of the Denver Broncos. Either the article read "Former G.M. Brian Xanders..." and they were reporting that he no longer held that position, or the article did not read "Former G.M...." and tsiguy lied, or the article did read "Former G.M. ..." and it was changed. Pretty straightforward.

I`m remembering the quote from Schefter, not an article about it, I think. I can`t find it though. I remember it seemed clumsily worded and perhaps it has been cleaned up.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2011, 04:00 PM
They're saying Harbaugh isn't in the picture. This is kind of surprising but possibly good for the Broncos,...hopefully good for the Broncos. I kind of wonder if Carolina wouldn't be a wildcard in hiring him though. I can see them throwing a bunch of money at him to ensure Luck turns pro.

frerottenextelway
01-04-2011, 04:00 PM
Michagan all but ruled out for Harbaugh, the competition narrows.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2011, 04:01 PM
Michagan all but ruled out for Harbaugh, the competition narrows.

Beat ya!

Serisously, though. It could be a smoke screen.

Tombstone RJ
01-04-2011, 04:14 PM
Beat ya!

Serisously, though. It could be a smoke screen.

I think Michigan is out because Stanford has some kind of contractual agreement with Harbaugh that if he leaves for another college coaching job then he's in breach of his contract, or something to that effect. In other words, he can leave for the NFL no prob but not for a lateral move in college. At least I think that is the jist of why Michigan is being ruled out, but I could be wrong.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2011, 04:19 PM
I think Michigan is out because Stanford has some kind of contractual agreement with Harbaugh that if he leaves for another college coaching job then he's in breach of his contract, or something to that effect. In other words, he can leave for the NFL no prob but not for a lateral move in college. At least I think that is the jist of why Michigan is being ruled out, but I could be wrong.

Well whatever, if thats the case, Denver should be wooing this guy like crazy.

go_broncos
01-04-2011, 05:32 PM
Most likely Harbaugh will be the coach for 49ers.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/01/04/source-harbaugh-has-told-49ers-hed-be-ok-with-either-baalke-or-lombardi-as-gm/

I hope the news is not true.

Rich Karlis
01-04-2011, 05:40 PM
from twitter: @incarceratedbob


**BREAKING NEWS** Jim Harbaugh has just agreed in principle to become the *NEW* Head Coach of the SF 49ERS - Deal will be announced 24-48Hrs
web • 1/4/11 8:20 PM


**BREAKING NEWS** Jim Harbaugh will be named HC of 49ers before Friday > This is *CONFIRMED*! not a rumor like other outlets are reporting

enjolras
01-04-2011, 05:56 PM
well balls...

Natedog24
01-04-2011, 05:57 PM
Nuts

tsiguy96
01-04-2011, 05:59 PM
They're saying Harbaugh isn't in the picture. This is kind of surprising but possibly good for the Broncos,...hopefully good for the Broncos. I kind of wonder if Carolina wouldn't be a wildcard in hiring him though. I can see them throwing a bunch of money at him to ensure Luck turns pro.

not going to carolina, even the owner laughed that off.

frerottenextelway
01-04-2011, 05:59 PM
Mularkey.

tsiguy96
01-04-2011, 06:01 PM
Mularkey.


hope so

bowtown
01-04-2011, 06:01 PM
from twitter: @incarceratedbob


**BREAKING NEWS** Jim Harbaugh has just agreed in principle to become the *NEW* Head Coach of the SF 49ERS - Deal will be announced 24-48Hrs
web • 1/4/11 8:20 PM


**BREAKING NEWS** Jim Harbaugh will be named HC of 49ers before Friday > This is *CONFIRMED*! not a rumor like other outlets are reporting

Yeah, incarceratedbob does always get the money scoops.

KipCorrington25
01-04-2011, 06:14 PM
Yeah, incarceratedbob does always get the money scoops.

Unlike Obese Bob who's always wrong. :strong:

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2011, 06:29 PM
from twitter: @incarceratedbob


**BREAKING NEWS** Jim Harbaugh has just agreed in principle to become the *NEW* Head Coach of the SF 49ERS - Deal will be announced 24-48Hrs
web • 1/4/11 8:20 PM


**BREAKING NEWS** Jim Harbaugh will be named HC of 49ers before Friday > This is *CONFIRMED*! not a rumor like other outlets are reporting

If he goes to SF without even being interviewed by Denver, its another big screw up by the front office. Just because they hired the wrong guy the last time, that doesnt mean they should be dragging their feet this time.

go_broncos
01-04-2011, 06:33 PM
If he goes to SF without even being interviewed by Denver, its another big screw up by the front office. Just because they hired the wrong guy the last time, that doesnt mean they should be dragging their feet this time.

It's almost a done deal.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-01-04/49ers-hone-in-on-harbaugh?cf03388EF5=81922F93!NTAxNzc2MTk2OmNvcnByY WRpdXNzc286mBK4jmWHG1CUIU8kasBfkQ==

It's unfortunate..

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2011, 07:00 PM
It's almost a done deal.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-01-04/49ers-hone-in-on-harbaugh?cf03388EF5=81922F93!NTAxNzc2MTk2OmNvcnByY WRpdXNzc286mBK4jmWHG1CUIU8kasBfkQ==

It's unfortunate..

Denver's front office is so lame.

tsiguy96
01-04-2011, 07:02 PM
Denver's front office is so lame.

because the guy doesnt want to coach denver? hes been linked to SF way way before denver even got in the mix, who cares they didnt get him. for all we know, mularkey is the #1 target.

OrangeSe7en
01-04-2011, 07:04 PM
because the guy doesnt want to coach denver? hes been linked to SF way way before denver even got in the mix, who cares they didnt get him. for all we know, mularkey is the #1 target.

Don't you have something better to do like running in front of traffic?

Steve Sewell
01-04-2011, 07:05 PM
I think Michigan is out because Stanford has some kind of contractual agreement with Harbaugh that if he leaves for another college coaching job then he's in breach of his contract, or something to that effect. In other words, he can leave for the NFL no prob but not for a lateral move in college. At least I think that is the jist of why Michigan is being ruled out, but I could be wrong.

I think it's also because he didn't get the QB coach job at Michigan in the early 2000's. Seems like he's a pretty competitive guy with a big ego, and those kind of guys don't forget that kind of stuff.

go_broncos
01-04-2011, 07:10 PM
because the guy doesnt want to coach denver? hes been linked to SF way way before denver even got in the mix, who cares they didnt get him. for all we know, mularkey is the #1 target.

I don't why the hell you are behind mularkey..
He is not successful as an HC.
I hope we don't hire him.

Steve Sewell
01-04-2011, 07:10 PM
It's almost a done deal.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-01-04/49ers-hone-in-on-harbaugh?cf03388EF5=81922F93!NTAxNzc2MTk2OmNvcnByY WRpdXNzc286mBK4jmWHG1CUIU8kasBfkQ==

It's unfortunate..

It makes sense for him though. He's got a young family that he doesn't have to move halfway across the country. The 49ers are pretty loaded talent-wise outside of the QB position and were saddled with a coach that wasn't very good (Singletary). They are in a complete joke of a division. Its pretty much a perfect fit for Harbaugh when you think about it.

TD30
01-04-2011, 07:11 PM
Mularkey.

This guy was terrible as a head coach ugh

Steve Sewell
01-04-2011, 07:19 PM
I don't why the hell you are behind mularkey..
He is not successful as an HC.
I hope we don't hire him.

In 2004, his team started 1-5, and with a washed up Drew Bledsoe and a joke of a franchise like the Bills finished 8-2 for a 9-7 record. The next season JP Losman was the starter for half the games when they finished 5-11, and he actually resigned as HC due to philosophical differences with the octogenarian duo of Marv Levy and Ralph Wilson and all of their craziness.

It seems like he did well under those circumstances, and he's been very successful over extended periods of time at the coordinator level.

He's not my first choice...I'd prefer Gruden...but I wouldn't be bummed if we got Mularkey after seeing the kind of offense they run in ATL. I'm sure he's learned a thing or to working under Mike Smith as well.

srphoenix
01-04-2011, 09:04 PM
When I saw Elway on the sidelines there and the camera kept zooming in on him I thought it had to be for something more than just Stanford nostalgia, guess not.

Dutch
01-04-2011, 09:20 PM
One thing I have not seen mentioned on here are Harbaugh's comments from way back in the fall. He didn't want to Coach in AFC as he didn't want to have to play his brother that often and put his Mom through that, plus he'd love to get a shot playing against him in a Superbowl. Never discount keeping Mom happy.

montrose
01-04-2011, 09:28 PM
I read a report somewhere tonight, can't remember where, that now that SF's GM is in place - Harbaugh could be introduced there as early as Thursday.

Agamemnon
01-04-2011, 10:32 PM
One thing I have not seen mentioned on here are Harbaugh's comments from way back in the fall. He didn't want to Coach in AFC as he didn't want to have to play his brother that often and put his Mom through that, plus he'd love to get a shot playing against him in a Superbowl. Never discount keeping Mom happy.

That's too funny... Hilarious!