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KevinJames
01-02-2011, 05:53 PM
I think its clear as day Tebow has the heart and determination and the "IT" factor and I think he has a strong enough arm to play the position too, the only problem is the simple throws he should be completing and as much as I wanna think its not a big deal his wind up can be a problem at times. He needs a guy that can develop him. we meed a great QB coach in Denver.

John Elway hit it right on the money when he said hes got what it takes to go from a good QB to a great QB but first he needs to become a good QB. :thumbs:

but if we can't do this sadly he will fail at the QB position, we can't let that happen.

edit: I also find it ironic we fired the perfect guy for the job.........

Jetmeck
01-02-2011, 05:57 PM
A good QB coach is kinda a given isn't ?

bowtown
01-02-2011, 05:58 PM
Ben McDaniels seems to have done a pretty good job with him so far. Just saying...

KevinJames
01-02-2011, 05:59 PM
A good QB coach is kinda a given isn't ?

Im talking about someone well known, with a great background.

a Gruden, Holmgren, Kubiak (i know hes returning to texans). etc.

HAT
01-02-2011, 06:05 PM
Nope....Just a defense.

orinjkrush
01-02-2011, 06:11 PM
how about a qb coach?

having the HC do all the other coaching jobs is not a good idea

Dr. Broncenstein
01-02-2011, 06:13 PM
Dude is a rookie in his third start, and gave the #1 NFL defense a run for it's money without any sort of running game, pass protection, or defense. Also, his sure-handed pro bowl reciever dropped an early bomb. Decker dropped an important pass as well. Every little break with fumbles, bobbled snaps, and acrobatic miraculous catches went the Chargers way. The game was still competitive to the last second. Tebow can play. This team needs a supporting cast, starting with a GM.

Taco John
01-02-2011, 06:14 PM
What we need, IMO, is an offensive coordinator off the Urban Meyer tree.

srphoenix
01-02-2011, 06:15 PM
What we need, IMO, is an offensive coordinator off the Urban Meyer tree.

What about just getting Urban Meyer as our OC?

That One Guy
01-02-2011, 06:15 PM
What we need, IMO, is an offensive coordinator off the Urban Meyer tree.

I think if they were the answer, he wouldn't have as many mechanical flaws as he does now.

Likwid Kerruj
01-02-2011, 06:16 PM
Ben McDaniels

LOL

HAT
01-02-2011, 06:17 PM
What we need, IMO, is an offensive coordinator off the Urban Meyer tree.

Wait, what? I thought Kubiak was The Solution? Do you just change your mind about everything, every week?

Taco John
01-02-2011, 06:18 PM
Wait, what? I thought Kubiak was The Solution? Do you just change your mind about everything, every week?

You should keep up with the news. Kubiak isn't going to be fired from Houston.

Garcia Bronco
01-02-2011, 06:19 PM
there is a positiin already created for this; Quarterback Coach.

Taco John
01-02-2011, 06:21 PM
What about just getting Urban Meyer as our OC?

I would love that, but everything I've read in the last two weeks on this subject suggests that there is no way Meyer is going to be coaching anywhere next year. But that's a stone that I wouldn't leave unturned.

HAT
01-02-2011, 06:22 PM
You should keep up with the news. Kubiak isn't going to be fired from Houston.

Yeah....That's why I posted a hallelujah jpeg in the original thread about it a few days ago
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Luckily, Houston is taking fat boy Phillips as DC too.

Back to my original inquiry....Do you change your mind about this **** daily?

Taco John
01-02-2011, 06:23 PM
I think if they were the answer, he wouldn't have as many mechanical flaws as he does now.

I'm not talking about mechanical flaws so much as I'm talking about offense. Watch a lot of Bernie Kosar highlights, and you'll cure yourself of worrying about mechanical flaws. I'm more interested in the type of offense we're going to run with the guy. This question is far from settled and it presents Elway and whatever new coach comes in with a significant challenge in matching his talent with the right offense.

Taco John
01-02-2011, 06:24 PM
Yeah....That's why I posted a hallelujah jpeg in the original thread about it a few days ago
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Luckily, Houston is taking fat boy Phillips as DC too.

Back to my original inquiry....Do you change your mind about this **** daily?

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I think Kubiak would have been a great head coach to have and would have provided Tebow with a solid foundation to work with. He's no longer available.

This is like the "gotcha" that never got. You just trying to pick a fight or something? Bored? There's a conversation here not being trolled and you're just the guy to do it?

Sorry your loser boyfriend got canned, but get over it sister. We've got Broncos football to talk about here.

Taco John
01-02-2011, 06:28 PM
This is who I'd like to give a look at for OC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_McCarney

footstepsfrom#27
01-02-2011, 06:28 PM
What we need, IMO, is an offensive coordinator off the Urban Meyer tree.
Well if we don't play again till 2012 maybe we could get the trunk instead of a branch. ;D

Taco John
01-02-2011, 06:28 PM
Well if we don't play again till 2012 maybe we could get the trunk instead of a branch. ;D

:strong::approve:

KipCorrington25
01-02-2011, 06:31 PM
Ben McDaniels seems to have done a pretty good job with him so far. Just saying...

LOL Ben McDaniels will be back at Akron Central this time next year.

Funny though, I needed a laugh my What's Happening!! box set is missing. Hilarious!

footstepsfrom#27
01-02-2011, 06:34 PM
This is who I'd like to give a look at for OC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_McCarney
I'd rather have Mississippi State's Dan Mullen, who was Urban's OC from 2005-2008 when they won the two titles. Did you see what his Bulldogs did to Michigan yesterday? That was an epic beat down.

strafen
01-02-2011, 06:34 PM
As important an experience-creative-innovative OC is, the system he will be bringing in with him will be just important.
I'm not convinced this McD/McCoy system best suits Tebow...

Bigdawg26
01-02-2011, 06:34 PM
John Harbaugh is the best coach for the job to help Tebow develop into a great QB. He is the best QB coach in college and the NFL.

strafen
01-02-2011, 06:34 PM
LOL Ben McDaniels will be back at Akron Central this time next year.

Funny though, I needed a laugh my What's Happening!! box set is missing. Hilarious!

I too thought that was hilarious! Hilarious!

dsmoot
01-02-2011, 06:35 PM
Dude is a rookie in his third start, and gave the #1 NFL defense a run for it's money without any sort of running game, pass protection, or defense. Also, his sure-handed pro bowl reciever dropped an early bomb. Decker dropped an important pass as well. Every little break with fumbles, bobbled snaps, and acrobatic miraculous catches went the Chargers way. The game was still competitive to the last second. Tebow can play. This team needs a supporting cast, starting with a GM.

I am a Tebow fan. In this game more than the first two, Tebow is not getting the ball to the receivers soon enough. A number of times today, the receiver was well out of his break before the ball reached him. It allowed the DB's to react to his throws. I do not believe its the motion or delivery as everyone says it is. Sometimes, he looks just fine. His velocity is fine. The game is still too fast for him. He needs improvement on recognition and more work on timing. As with Orton, a serious running game would go a long way.

Arkie
01-02-2011, 06:36 PM
I'm not talking about mechanical flaws so much as I'm talking about offense. Watch a lot of Bernie Kosar highlights, and you'll cure yourself of worrying about mechanical flaws. I'm more interested in the type of offense we're going to run with the guy. This question is far from settled and it presents Elway and whatever new coach comes in with a significant challenge in matching his talent with the right offense.

Bernie's longest run of his career Hilarious!

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Taco John
01-02-2011, 06:37 PM
I'd rather have Mississippi State's Dan Mullen, who was Urban's OC from 2005-2008 when they won the two titles. Did you see what his Bulldogs did to Michigan yesterday? That was an epic beat down.


There we go. I got my Dan's mixed up.

Indeed, I would prefer #1 Mullen, and #2 McCarney.

bowtown
01-02-2011, 06:39 PM
I'm not talking about mechanical flaws so much as I'm talking about offense. Watch a lot of Bernie Kosar highlights, and you'll cure yourself of worrying about mechanical flaws. I'm more interested in the type of offense we're going to run with the guy. This question is far from settled and it presents Elway and whatever new coach comes in with a significant challenge in matching his talent with the right offense.

Watching a lot of Bernie Kosar highlights has never cured me of anything.

HAT
01-02-2011, 06:44 PM
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I think Kubiak would have been a great head coach to have and would have provided Tebow with a solid foundation to work with. He's no longer available.

This is like the "gotcha" that never got. You just trying to pick a fight or something? Bored? There's a conversation here not being trolled and you're just the guy to do it?

Sorry your loser boyfriend got canned, but get over it sister. We've got Broncos football to talk about here.

I'm sorry McD got canned early too....And the fact that you think Kubiak would be a 'great' HC just goes to show that you are a much better site owner than actual poster.

As for the last statement....I think I"m going to report you to a mod for gay baiting. :strong:

Jesterhole
01-02-2011, 06:55 PM
Tim needs a new coach to be hired, he needs to learn the offense, needs an entire off season to work with his receivers, and then another training camp to pull everything together.

Once he does that, he'll be fine.

Jesterhole
01-02-2011, 06:57 PM
Bernie's longest run of his career Hilarious!

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Lol, the late hit on there is hilarious...no doubt he'd be ejected for that in today's 'QB is above contact' days.

footstepsfrom#27
01-02-2011, 07:05 PM
John Harbaugh is the best coach for the job to help Tebow develop into a great QB. He is the best QB coach in college and the NFL.
Jim Harbaugh has never coached QB's in the NFL, and having a guy with the talent to go #1 in the NFL draft can make any coach look like a good QB coach.

Harbaugh has 28 wins in college football...one great season.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 07:06 PM
I'd rather have Mississippi State's Dan Mullen, who was Urban's OC from 2005-2008 when they won the two titles. Did you see what his Bulldogs did to Michigan yesterday? That was an epic beat down.

Mullan is not long for MSU. I would expect him to get a bigger job soon.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 07:09 PM
Jim Harbaugh has never coached QB's in the NFL, and having a guy with the talent to go #1 in the NFL draft can make any coach look like a good QB coach.

Harbaugh has 28 wins in college football...one great season.

The California Hype Machine is in full swing.

BroncoInferno
01-02-2011, 07:16 PM
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I think Kubiak would have been a great head coach to have and would have provided Tebow with a solid foundation to work with. He's no longer available.

This is like the "gotcha" that never got. You just trying to pick a fight or something? Bored? There's a conversation here not being trolled and you're just the guy to do it?

Sorry your loser boyfriend got canned, but get over it sister. We've got Broncos football to talk about here.

Kubiak and Meyer run very different offenses. One week you wanted Kubiak, and now you think we need a coach from the "Urban Meyer coaching tree." First of all, again, Kubes offense is much different from Meyer's spread offense. Second, there is no such thing as the "Urban Meyer coaching tree," not at the NFL level anyway. So, he kind of did "get you."

DarkHorse
01-02-2011, 07:18 PM
Dude is a rookie in his third start, and gave the #1 NFL defense a run for it's money without any sort of running game, pass protection, or defense. Also, his sure-handed pro bowl reciever dropped an early bomb. Decker dropped an important pass as well. Every little break with fumbles, bobbled snaps, and acrobatic miraculous catches went the Chargers way. The game was still competitive to the last second. Tebow can play. This team needs a supporting cast, starting with a GM.

Pretty much sums my thoughts up exactly.

Steve Sewell
01-02-2011, 07:22 PM
This is who I'd like to give a look at for OC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_McCarney

Bro are you trollin?

BroncoInferno
01-02-2011, 07:23 PM
There we go. I got my Dan's mixed up.

Indeed, I would prefer #1 Mullen, and #2 McCarney.

Mullen as what...OC or head coach? He's not leaving Miss State to come be our offensive coordinator. And, like Meyer, he has zero experience as a coach or player at the NFL level. If you don't think that is significant, I don't know what to tell you.

McCarney is a 57 year old lifetime college coach, and he wasn't really involved in implementing the spread or designing the offense like Mullen and Meyer. Did you even read the bio you posted? He was the D-line coach at Florida, so I have no idea why you would want to hire him as the OC.

Steve Sewell
01-02-2011, 07:23 PM
John Harbaugh is the best coach for the job to help Tebow develop into a great QB. He is the best QB coach in college and the NFL.

This is an absurd statement.

Taco John
01-02-2011, 07:31 PM
Kubiak and Meyer run very different offenses. One week you wanted Kubiak, and now you think we need a coach from the "Urban Meyer coaching tree." First of all, again, Kubes offense is much different from Meyer's spread offense. Second, there is no such thing as the "Urban Meyer coaching tree," not at the NFL level anyway. So, he kind of did "get you."


Actually I wanted Kubiak and Meyer in the same week. I'd have liked Kubiak as head coach and Meyer as offensive coordinator. I think the blending of these two offensive styles could be something special.

I know there is no "NFL" Urban Meyer coaching tree. There most certainly is one in the college ranks.

BroncoInferno
01-02-2011, 07:36 PM
Actually I wanted Kubiak and Meyer in the same week. I'd have liked Kubiak as head coach and Meyer as offensive coordinator. I think the blending of these two offensive styles could be something special.

Do you really think there is even a remote chance of Meyer accepting a job as an NFL assistant coach making a fraction of what he made as a college head coach? I am not sure the point of even speculating such a thing.


I know there is no "NFL" Urban Meyer coaching tree. There most certainly is one in the college ranks.

I think I'll pass on experimenting with folks with zero NFL background trying to implement an offense that worked for them in college. Of the three Meyer assistants who are now head coaches, two of them were defensive coaches (McCarney and Charlie Strong). Again, Mullen ain't leaving his $2 million plus a year job as Miss State's head coach to be a lesser paid assistant for us.

mwill07
01-02-2011, 07:41 PM
Why would people want Meyer? Meyer's not going to improve Tebows mechanics, all we would do is install a gimicky college offense that probably would not work in the pro's.

Sure, the Pats employ some of his principles, but they don't rely on it...gimicky stuff is fine as change of pace stuff, but it cannot be a bread-and-butter scheme in the NFL.

Tebow would not grow as an NFL QB under Meyer.

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 07:42 PM
Jim Harbaugh has never coached QB's in the NFL, and having a guy with the talent to go #1 in the NFL draft can make any coach look like a good QB coach.

Harbaugh has 28 wins in college football...one great season.

The major points that scouts talk about with Tebow (and Jaws, and Gruden) is that besides being a highly accurate passer who can make all the throws, Luck already plays with a skill that is hardest for rookies to learn - reading defenses and coming up with the solution, quickly. Keeping his poise and not losing his cool. You'll see tomorrow night, methinks. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/orange/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=5973068

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 07:44 PM
The major points that scouts talk about with Tebow (and Jaws, and Gruden) is that besides being a highly accurate passer who can make all the throws, Luck already plays with a skill that is hardest for rookies to learn - reading defenses and coming up with the solution, quickly. Keeping his poise and not losing his cool. You'll see tomorrow night, methinks. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/orange/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=5973068

Yeah...he does that pretty well in college, doesnt he? Not quite up to Bradford's level, but pretty good nonetheless.

We'll see about the pros. While he's playing for another team.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 07:45 PM
The next coach of the Denver Broncos will likely be here 3-4 seasons if it works out.

Tebow will be here for over 10 years.

Its more important to think about a coach who will invest in defense and develop Tebow than one who will install his own pet system to the detriment of the franchise.

Kaylore
01-02-2011, 07:48 PM
Dude is a rookie in his third start, and gave the #1 NFL defense a run for it's money without any sort of running game, pass protection, or defense. Also, his sure-handed pro bowl reciever dropped an early bomb. Decker dropped an important pass as well. Every little break with fumbles, bobbled snaps, and acrobatic miraculous catches went the Chargers way. The game was still competitive to the last second. Tebow can play. This team needs a supporting cast, starting with a GM.
Yes.

What we need, IMO, is an offensive coordinator off the Urban Meyer tree.

Urban Meyer didn't make Tebow and Tebow will be fine without him or any of his coaches. Tebow will grow as long as we get someone half decent in here who can work with him. Maybe Norv Turner will get fired and we can hire him as our offense coordinator.

broncogary
01-02-2011, 07:48 PM
The Luck we need is Oliver Luck, Andrew's dad, as our GM. Unfortunately the guy just signed to be the Athletic Director at West Virginia, his alma mater.

Boltjolt
01-02-2011, 07:52 PM
Jim Harbaugh has never coached QB's in the NFL, and having a guy with the talent to go #1 in the NFL draft can make any coach look like a good QB coach.

Harbaugh has 28 wins in college football...one great season.

He has 57 wins in college football. He spent 3 years at USD before he went to Stanford and he had 29 wins there. USD is where Tampa QB Josh Johnson is from.

He was on the Raiders staff before he ever coached college football. Harbaugh is HIGHLY thought of amongst his peers from every place he has been.
Dont matter if hr has never coached QB's in the NFL. He was an NFL QB and im sure he could do it just fine.
Norv Turner was never an NFL player. He was a scrub QB in college at Oregon backing up Dan Fouts and he is a great QB coach.

Looks like the Niners are pursuing him strong as well and wouldnt surprise me if he took that job.

Premier-Ace55
01-02-2011, 07:56 PM
the luck we need is oliver luck, andrew's dad, as our gm. Unfortunately the guy just signed to be the athletic director at west virginia, his alma mater.

really?

Taco John
01-02-2011, 07:56 PM
Yes.



Urban Meyer didn't make Tebow and Tebow will be fine without him or any of his coaches. Tebow will grow as long as we get someone half decent in here who can work with him. Maybe Norv Turner will get fired and we can hire him as our offense coordinator.


I am personally sold on the spread offense. I, personally, think it's more than a gimmick, but rather a viable evolution for the pro game. I didn't particularly care for Josh's implementation of it. Josh violated Urban Meyer's edict that you adapt the spread offense to your personnel/players and not the other way around.

I like the idea of combining a coach from an established pro-offense (ie. Kubiak) with an OC with experience with the spread.

Kubiak is gone, so I'm not sure who fits the mold right now for that. Probably doesn't matter because Elway is apparently hot on rolling the dice and bringing in another project HC like Harbaugh.

Boltjolt
01-02-2011, 07:57 PM
Why would people want Meyer? Meyer's not going to improve Tebows mechanics, all we would do is install a gimicky college offense that probably would not work in the pro's.

Sure, the Pats employ some of his principles, but they don't rely on it...gimicky stuff is fine as change of pace stuff, but it cannot be a bread-and-butter scheme in the NFL.

Tebow would not grow as an NFL QB under Meyer.

You got that right. Who do you think made him a runner? Meyer made use of what Tebow does best and it works in college ball. Tebow can throw but he will have to adjust to the NFL. He will get there and learn to throw first like Vick, S. Young and V. Young had to. Vick runs a 4.45 though so he can get away with doing more but he has suffered injuries from running the ball.

broncogary
01-02-2011, 07:59 PM
really?

yes.

baja
01-02-2011, 08:01 PM
Dude is a rookie in his third start, and gave the #1 NFL defense a run for it's money without any sort of running game, pass protection, or defense. Also, his sure-handed pro bowl reciever dropped an early bomb. Decker dropped an important pass as well. Every little break with fumbles, bobbled snaps, and acrobatic miraculous catches went the Chargers way. The game was still competitive to the last second. Tebow can play. This team needs a supporting cast, starting with a GM.

With Tebow, like Elway before him, I feel like we are never out of the game.

I never felt that with any of the other quarterbacks that have followed Elway with the exception of Cutler in his early games.

baja
01-02-2011, 08:03 PM
Maybe Elway will bring Josh McDaniels back. ;D

ro_50
01-02-2011, 08:11 PM
The criticism Tebow recieves for being a rookie QB is pathetic in terms of what other rookie QBs go through.

He showed me a lot in these three starts and big play ability.

He has to work on his mechanics but that will come.

footstepsfrom#27
01-02-2011, 08:14 PM
Why would people want Meyer? Meyer's not going to improve Tebows mechanics, all we would do is install a gimicky college offense that probably would not work in the pro's.

Sure, the Pats employ some of his principles, but they don't rely on it...gimicky stuff is fine as change of pace stuff, but it cannot be a bread-and-butter scheme in the NFL.

Tebow would not grow as an NFL QB under Meyer.
Why Meyer? Well he's won everywhere, he's won big everywhere, and he's won immediately everywhere. On top of that he knows our QB inside and out, knows the college talent all accross the southeast as well as any coach in the NFL in all probability and he's a leader with a smart innovative mind for starters.

As for him working with Tebow, do you think Meyer is stupid enough to not recongize that Tebow needs some adjustments in the NFL? Right... You obviously don't know anything about Meyer because Meyer isn't married to any offensive system and he says so repeatedly. He's about adjusting the offensive system to fit the talent...that's been repeated here numerous times but people continue to ignore it. As for mechanics, it's not your head coach you want doing that anyway. He had no reason to screw with his delivery in college. I'm sure he can find a top QB coach to do that. It's moot anyway since he's probably going to be with ESPN next year.

footstepsfrom#27
01-02-2011, 08:17 PM
I am personally sold on the spread offense. I, personally, think it's more than a gimmick, but rather a viable evolution for the pro game. I didn't particularly care for Josh's implementation of it. Josh violated Urban Meyer's edict that you adapt the spread offense to your personnel/players and not the other way around.
I like the idea of combining a coach from an established pro-offense (ie. Kubiak) with an OC with experience with the spread.

Kubiak is gone, so I'm not sure who fits the mold right now for that. Probably doesn't matter because Elway is apparently hot on rolling the dice and bringing in another project HC like Harbaugh.
You're the first person on this board I've seen who understands what Meyer's offensive philosophy is about. That's exactly what Josh did in fact.

Taco John
01-02-2011, 08:20 PM
Why would people want Meyer?


I wouldn't want Meyer as a first time NFL head coach (I don't want any first time head coach - I'd much rather prefer someone with an NFL pedigree for that job). I WOULD want Meyer as an OC. Who knows whether he'd be open to it. I personally doubt that he'd get a HC job right off the bat because his offense still needs some NFL seasoning. If he's got designs on a HC job in the NFL, I suspect it will have to come through success as an OC.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-02-2011, 10:45 PM
Dude is a rookie in his third start, and gave the #1 NFL defense a run for it's money without any sort of running game, pass protection, or defense. Also, his sure-handed pro bowl reciever dropped an early bomb. Decker dropped an important pass as well. Every little break with fumbles, bobbled snaps, and acrobatic miraculous catches went the Chargers way. The game was still competitive to the last second. Tebow can play. This team needs a supporting cast, starting with a GM.

That is one helluva spin on a 16-36 205 2/2. What worries me is that he had 13 caries. And we needed just about every one of them in a game where if SD is little better at getting TDs instead of FG, we arent even in it. The score is misleading because we were pretty much out of it for 3/4ths of the game. With 3min left in the 3rd, the game got exciting.

The more games 10+ runs/game, the shorter the career. But as we saw today, it is going to be SOME time before TT not playing that way can carry us to victory. In other words, I dont see him picking anyone apart consistently with 5 and 7 step drops anytime soon. He needs shotgun with 2 wings to be the most effective. Basically run Gator football for him. Ineffective in the league to date but perhaps could one-day emerge I guess. It will be fun to watch, kinda like Plummer a bit. And FTR, I am cool with continuing to let Knowshon be 1 of those but we dont have anything close to the other guy. But he is on notice.

Garcia Bronco
01-02-2011, 10:50 PM
Phillip Ri ers side arms it, underhands its, and comes over the top. He's got all the throws. And look... he and tim were both 4 year collegiate starters. So don't tell me Tim Tebow can't do it at this level. Ypu don't have to tbrow a certain way to win at this level.

Boltjolt
01-02-2011, 10:57 PM
That is one helluva spin on a 16-36 205 2/2. What worries me is that he had 13 caries. And we needed just about every one of them in a game where if SD is little better at getting TDs instead of FG, we arent even in it. The score is misleading because we were pretty much out of it for 3/4ths of the game. With 3min left in the 3rd, the game got exciting.

The more games 10+ runs/game, the shorter the career. But as we saw today, it is going to be SOME time before TD not playing that way can carry us to victory. In other words, I dont see him picking anyone apart consistently with 5 and 7 step drops. He needs shotgun with 2 wings to be the most effective. I am cool with continuing to let Knowshon be 1 of those but we dont have anything close to the other guy.

Not throwing gas on a fire but thought id mention one of your scores was a KO return too, not offensive points.

Jekyll15Hyde
01-02-2011, 11:06 PM
Phillip Ri ers side arms it, under hands, and comes over the top. He's got all the throws. And look... he and tim were both 4 year collegiate starters.

So what? then what? Finish the thought cause on that alone, you got nothing working

Jekyll15Hyde
01-02-2011, 11:10 PM
You're the first person on this board I've seen who understands what Meyer's offensive philosophy is about. That's exactly what Josh did in fact.

That is what good coaching is about in general :wave:

bowtown
01-02-2011, 11:45 PM
I too thought that was hilarious! Hilarious!

Okay, so obviously I was joking about Ben McDaniels, but in all seriousness, I really wouldn't mind seeing McCoy being kept on as the QB coach, if he would accept the demotion. Josh, who I think we can all agree knows something about QBs, seemed to think pretty highly of McCoy as a developer of talent. He might not be the best playcaller, but if he'd be willing to continue his work with Tebow, I'd be all for it.

strafen
01-02-2011, 11:52 PM
Okay, so obviously I was joking about Ben McDaniels, but in all seriousness, I really wouldn't mind seeing McCoy being kept on as the QB coach, if he would accept the demotion. Josh, who I think we can all agree knows something about QBs, seemed to think pretty highly of McCoy as a developer of talent. He might not be the best playcaller, but if he'd be willing to continue his work with Tebow, I'd be all for it.I'm not too sure about that. My money is on him being gone.
Someone else not yet on the team will be coaching Tebow.

Obushma
01-03-2011, 12:14 AM
I'd rather have Mississippi State's Dan Mullen, who was Urban's OC from 2005-2008 when they won the two titles. Did you see what his Bulldogs did to Michigan yesterday? That was an epic beat down.

He was the QB coach at Utah w/ Alex Smith for 03 and 04.

ZONA
01-03-2011, 12:25 AM
I am a Tebow fan. In this game more than the first two, Tebow is not getting the ball to the receivers soon enough. A number of times today, the receiver was well out of his break before the ball reached him. It allowed the DB's to react to his throws. I do not believe its the motion or delivery as everyone says it is. Sometimes, he looks just fine. His velocity is fine. The game is still too fast for him. He needs improvement on recognition and more work on timing. As with Orton, a serious running game would go a long way.

True. Very hard to say to a guy who is a rookie that has had only 3 weeks taking the majority of the reps in practice, to have the timing down the same way you see a seasoned vet who has been taking most of the reps in practice all season long. Then throw in the fact you already know Tebow is not a Petyon Manning or Tom Brady type of QB. He's a different breed of QB. You don't expect him to be as proficient at throwing as those guys but he also does give you another dimension.

I do think a great QB coach will help but really, the only thing that will make Tebow into a great NFL QB is his own work ethic. That means watching as much tape as somebody like Peyton Manning and getting his receivers on the field and getting alot of reps with them in the off season. There is NO substitution for having the will and determination to make yourself do these things, no matter how good or bad the QB coach, OC or HC may be. Tebow cannot rely on somebody to make him great. He's got to have the mindset that HE is the one who is going to make himself great. He has to be his own coach in a way. After the QB coach is done working with you, work some more on your own. Then go home and watch tape until you can't see straight anymore. Try and pick up on every last little detail you can. In Peyton Manning's head, he knows where every step his receiver takes should be, just where his head position should be, where the arms and hands should be. And yes, keep working and working and working on that delivery. Fine tune that baby. Understand the devil is in the details.

OrangeSe7en
01-03-2011, 12:35 AM
I am personally sold on the spread offense. I, personally, think it's more than a gimmick, but rather a viable evolution for the pro game. I didn't particularly care for Josh's implementation of it. Josh violated Urban Meyer's edict that you adapt the spread offense to your personnel/players and not the other way around.

I like the idea of combining a coach from an established pro-offense (ie. Kubiak) with an OC with experience with the spread.

Kubiak is gone, so I'm not sure who fits the mold right now for that. Probably doesn't matter because Elway is apparently hot on rolling the dice and bringing in another project HC like Harbaugh.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3807812

The Florida Gators are moving closer to filling the void in their offensive coaching staff that will be left by offensive coordinator Dan Mullen, who will become head coach at Mississippi State.


Multiple sources familiar with the situation said Detroit Lions quarterbacks coach Scot Loeffler is a strong leading candidate to join Florida's staff after the national championship game.

I'm not sure this is good or bad but this is his QB coach from his last year. I say it may not be good because every one asked why he didnt make more progress at Florida. Again, Loeffler was with Tebow one year as his QB coach but OC'd the Sugar Bowl win in which Tebow passed for almost 500 yards. And, as you can see, he has a background in the NFL.

I'm not sure if he'll be retained with Muschamp taking over.

I found this too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_offense

The majority of West Coast Offense routes occur within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. 3-step and 5-step drops by the quarterback take the place of the run and force the opposing defense to commit their focus solely on those intermediate routes. Contrary to popular belief, the offense also uses the 7-step drop for shallow crosses, deep ins and comebacks. For instance, past Michigan Wolverines offenses utilized the 5- and 7-step drops about 85% of the time with West Coast pass schemes implemented by then-Quarterbacks Coach Scot Loeffler. Because of the speed of modern defenses, only utilizing the 3- and 5-step pass game would be ineffective since the defense could squat and break hard on short-to-intermediate throws with no fear of a down field pass.



So, he's also worked in WCO and apparently, like Harbaugh, went to Michigan.

Another name to consider is Greg Knapp. He is currently the QB coach for Houston (so he knows Kubiak's offense) but he also has the uniquer perspective of being someone who has coached Michael Vick, which he did in Atlanta as the offensive coordinator.