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frerottenextelway
01-02-2011, 04:15 PM
Poll coming...

Rich Karlis
01-02-2011, 04:22 PM
#12

Dagmar
01-02-2011, 04:31 PM
Well, you both voted for Tebow...

go_broncos
01-02-2011, 04:34 PM
It should be Tebow..With good coaching staff, I believe he will be great QB.

zdoor
01-02-2011, 04:35 PM
It should be Tebow

frerottenextelway
01-02-2011, 04:35 PM
This poll is surprisingly very lopsided right now.

footstepsfrom#27
01-02-2011, 04:37 PM
Well, you both voted for Tebow...
I voted for Tebow...duh.

yerner
01-02-2011, 04:38 PM
kind of pointless because Luck won't be available

BabyTO
01-02-2011, 04:38 PM
steve mcnair

strafen
01-02-2011, 04:39 PM
Tebow didn't start good, but finished strong. A good indication that with a good defense we're going to be highly competitive and win games late in the 4th Qtr if it comes down to it...

HAT
01-02-2011, 04:39 PM
Same answer as last summer.....Tebow.

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 04:39 PM
If we could get Luck, I'd take him over Tebow. But I like Tebow's passion. He's definitely fun to watch. Long term, I still doubt he's the answer.

strafen
01-02-2011, 04:39 PM
steve mcnair

That's not cool, man...

HAT
01-02-2011, 04:40 PM
Tebow didn't start good, but finished strong. A good indication that with a good defense we're going to be highly competitive and win games late in the 4th Qtr if it comes down to it...

Says the idiot who wants the 2nd best Pac-10 QB....Luck.

strafen
01-02-2011, 04:42 PM
This poll is surprisingly very lopsided right now.You'd think? ROFL!

BabyTO
01-02-2011, 04:42 PM
That's not cool, man...
come on i could have said unitas or something, its just a ridiculous question to ask after what weve seen from tebow, and the fans agree if you look at the voting. i love mcnair btw i wasnt trying to bash him ^5

frerottenextelway
01-02-2011, 04:44 PM
You'd think? ROFL!

The anti-Tebow guys must be loud, it felt like there were more doubters here.

Not much Orton love here.

Gcver2ver3
01-02-2011, 04:45 PM
i love what tebow brings...

because of tebow, i could care less about luck or anyone else...

just build our defense please...

strafen
01-02-2011, 04:45 PM
come on i could have said unitas or something, its just a ridiculous question to ask after what weve seen from tebow, and the fans agree if you look at the voting. i love mcnair btw i wasnt trying to bash him ^5Don't sweat it, man. It's cool ;)

Archer81
01-02-2011, 04:47 PM
Tebow. A halfway competitive defense and respectability comes back to Denver alot faster.

:Broncos:

NYBronco
01-02-2011, 04:50 PM
Tebow! Defense is our problem.

strafen
01-02-2011, 04:52 PM
There are a lot of variables going into next season.
Besides the obvious which is to vastly improve the defense along with all the other phases the game, we must not forget this was an offensive system that had to make some quick adjustments to insert Tebow in the lineup.

We don't know who our OC next year will be and how a good offensive system would best fit Tebow's skills...

Our running game scheme was still the same we've had all year. The calls were about the same, and when you put all of that into context, you can appreciate that what Tebow's done in his first 3 starts in the NFL has been a very good start for him...

He tried to drive someone else's car to the finish line and he did a great job at it...

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 04:52 PM
Tebow earned it straight up.

He has my full confidence.

Dagmar
01-02-2011, 04:53 PM
Tebow earned it straight up.

He has my full confidence.

I'm sure you've made his day.

lol shaaf!

Vegas_Bronco
01-02-2011, 04:54 PM
Luck will take 2 yrs to develop UNDER Tebow.

"Kid, this is how u gut it out"

ayjackson
01-02-2011, 04:54 PM
I said Tebow, unless we draft Luck of course.:~ohyah!:

frerottenextelway
01-02-2011, 04:55 PM
After 67 votes, we have 1 for Orton. :)

HAT
01-02-2011, 04:55 PM
The anti-Tebow guys must be loud, it felt like there were more doubters here.

Not much Orton love here.

I'm the biggest Orton homer on this board and wished he could've made it through 16 games this year......However, Tebow was always going to deservedly start in 2011.

I didn't want McD to draft Tebow last April because there are better QB's coming down the pike....I think my exact words were "the only thing worse than not having a QBOTF is having the wrong one".....

But now that he's "ours", it would be retarded to commit further assets to the position.

I get the hate for McD but much like a President.....History will be the ultimate judge. Dumping Cutler and acquiring Tebow could quite possibly become Broncos lore.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 04:55 PM
****!!!!


accidentally voted for orton

gobroncos313
01-02-2011, 04:56 PM
#12

Looks a lot like Brady Quinn, I think Quinn had better stats in college though.

frerottenextelway
01-02-2011, 04:56 PM
****!!!!


accidentally voted for orton

LOL Hilarious!

elsid13
01-02-2011, 04:59 PM
If Luck is there, Denver takes him and doesn't look back. He isn't then become a question of Peterson vs DL vs move back.

Crushaholic
01-02-2011, 05:15 PM
Tebow is difficult for opponents to bring down, and he is a threat to run. How is Luck better?

Vegas_Bronco
01-02-2011, 05:16 PM
After 67 votes, we have 1 for Orton. :)

Your new Denver IQ score.

Vegas_Bronco
01-02-2011, 05:18 PM
Tebow is difficult for opponents to bring down, and he is a threat to run. How is Luck better?

He can make all the nfl throws...in other words...HYPE.

Archer81
01-02-2011, 05:18 PM
Tebow is difficult for opponents to bring down, and he is a threat to run. How is Luck better?


Cuz like, he throws the ball like, really pretty and stuff.

I swear to God we have heard that before...


:Broncos:

Dr. Broncenstein
01-02-2011, 05:19 PM
Tebow is also damn near 100% in the redzone this year, as a rookie. He is incredible down there. That one interception against the Texans was the only time I can recall a failure to convert a redzone attempt for a touchdown.

Bigdawg26
01-02-2011, 05:29 PM
Honestly you guys can forget about getting getting Luck. He more than likely will stay in school regardless if Harbough leaves or not. And if he does declare there is no way the panthers won't take him with the first pick. We might as well focus on which one to pick out of peterson or farley!

Hamrob
01-02-2011, 06:13 PM
Here's a question for the board:

Do you hire a HC to build a team around Tim Tebow, OR;

Do you hire a HC to build a team (period)?

Meaning, do you think Elway will hamstring a HC and tell him that Tebow is the guy? What if the HC we hire doesn't want to deal with Tebow? I mean, to make Tebow successful, we're going to have to set up a system that plays to his strengths...much like we did with Jake Plummer.

I mean, we had a kid in Jay Cutler that has all the talent in the world and McD was allowed to deal him. Why wouldn't the next coach have the same lattitude to get rid of Tebow?

strafen
01-02-2011, 06:16 PM
Here's a question for the board:

Do you hire a HC to build a team around Tim Tebow, OR;

Do you hire a HC to build a team (period)?

Meaning, do you think Elway will hamstring a HC and tell him that Tebow is the guy? What if the HC we hire doesn't want to deal with Tebow? I mean, to make Tebow successful, we're going to have to set up a system that plays to his strengths...much like we did with Jake Plummer.

I mean, we had a kid in Jay Cutler that has all the talent in the world and McD was allowed to deal him. Why wouldn't the next coach have the same lattitude to get rid of Tebow?Well, Tebow will be a vital part of the re-building process.
Insuring he's prepared the best to give the team the best chance succeed will fall right in
To answer your first two questions, I don't think it will matter...

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 06:19 PM
Here's a question for the board:

Do you hire a HC to build a team around Tim Tebow, OR;

Do you hire a HC to build a team (period)?

Meaning, do you think Elway will hamstring a HC and tell him that Tebow is the guy? What if the HC we hire doesn't want to deal with Tebow? I mean, to make Tebow successful, we're going to have to set up a system that plays to his strengths...much like we did with Jake Plummer.

I mean, we had a kid in Jay Cutler that has all the talent in the world and McD was allowed to deal him. Why wouldn't the next coach have the same lattitude to get rid of Tebow?

Since when is that hamstringing anyone? Thats one of the criticisms of the last regime, that they didnt utilize the talent that they had.

broncosteven
01-02-2011, 06:20 PM
Draft the Best DL available.

Screw another QB, or CB, Draft a NT or DE to complement Bannan. Spend picks on DL and OL depth. Build from trenches out and find more guys like Lloyd off the scrap heap. we can draft skill in 2012.

Jesterhole
01-02-2011, 06:22 PM
Regardless of who is at QB, this team needs to build the defense before it can accomplish anything. Might as well go with what we have and start building up, rather than sacrifice even more picks (Tebow was three) and take another chance.

This team is QB rich right now, and our defense is the worst it has ever been. Who can justify digging in a deeper hole in order to trade up and pick another QB?

Jesterhole
01-02-2011, 06:26 PM
Here's a question for the board:

Do you hire a HC to build a team around Tim Tebow, OR;

Do you hire a HC to build a team (period)?

Meaning, do you think Elway will hamstring a HC and tell him that Tebow is the guy? What if the HC we hire doesn't want to deal with Tebow? I mean, to make Tebow successful, we're going to have to set up a system that plays to his strengths...much like we did with Jake Plummer.

I mean, we had a kid in Jay Cutler that has all the talent in the world and McD was allowed to deal him. Why wouldn't the next coach have the same lattitude to get rid of Tebow?

The new head coach won't be in charge of personnel, that will be Elway and Xanders. So no, the new coach won't have that same latitude.

However, if John really does pick Harbough and gets him, I bet they try and package a deal together to get Luck.

All part of the Standford Plan.

broncogary
01-02-2011, 06:29 PM
****!!!!


accidentally voted for orton

Yeah, sure. :~ohyah!:

dbroncos31
01-02-2011, 06:37 PM
For an idea of what Tebow could do next year, I projected Tebow's stats from his three starts this year into a 16 game season, pro-rating his passing numbers to 30 attempts per game. I then compared him him to other QBs. This is after playing defenses rated 7, 14, and 30) by Football Outsiders weighted defensive DVOA (non-weighted ranks are 5, 18, and 31). Because these three defenses hold an average weighted rank of 17 (basically average), we do not need to adjust based on defenses.

Tim Tebow (NFL Rank)
480 Attempts (13)
237 Completions (22)
3,858 Yards (7)
49.4% Completion Percentage (33)
8.04 Yards/Att (5)
16.28 Yards/Comp (1)
24 TDs (12)
18 Ints (16) [among QBs with >400 attempts]

144 Carries (34, 1 among QB)
1083 Yards (14, 1 among QB)
7.5 Yards/Carry (1 among players with >100 attempts)
16 TDs (1)

So he most likely won't put up these numbers next year, but I think the fact that we have a QB who did put up these type of numbers in his only starts means we need to see what he can do over a 16 game season. Clearly needs to work on his completion percentage, but all of the other numbers look fantastic.

DO NOT trade up for Luck. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 06:41 PM
For an idea of what Tebow could do next year, I projected Tebow's stats from his three starts this year into a 16 game season, pro-rating his passing numbers to 30 attempts per game. I then compared him him to other QBs. This is after playing defenses rated 7, 14, and 30) by Football Outsiders weighted defensive DVOA (non-weighted ranks are 5, 18, and 31). Because these three defenses hold an average weighted rank of 17 (basically average), we do not need to adjust based on defenses.

Tim Tebow (NFL Rank)
480 Attempts (13)
237 Completions (22)
3,858 Yards (7)
49.4% Completion Percentage (33)
8.04 Yards/Att (5)
16.28 Yards/Comp (1)
24 TDs (12)
18 Ints (16) [among QBs with >400 attempts]

144 Carries (34, 1 among QB)
1083 Yards (14, 1 among QB)
7.5 Yards/Carry (1 among players with >100 attempts)
16 TDs (1)

So he most likely won't put up these numbers next year, but I think the fact that we have a QB who did put up these type of numbers in his only starts means we need to see what he can do over a 16 game season. Clearly needs to work on his completion percentage, but all of the other numbers look fantastic.

DO NOT trade up for Luck. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

If Tebow could run for 1000 yards and throw for 4000, I would consider his second year a massive success.

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 07:05 PM
I think Tebow will give the Broncos fifteen years of "almost" made it.

Cmac821
01-02-2011, 07:20 PM
I think Tebow will give the Broncos fifteen years of "almost" made it.

You sir are a real downer in every thread, lighten up man

montrose
01-02-2011, 07:28 PM
Depends who the coach is.

McDman
01-02-2011, 07:33 PM
I'm the biggest Orton homer on this board and wished he could've made it through 16 games this year......However, Tebow was always going to deservedly start in 2011.

I didn't want McD to draft Tebow last April because there are better QB's coming down the pike....I think my exact words were "the only thing worse than not having a QBOTF is having the wrong one".....

But now that he's "ours", it would be retarded to commit further assets to the position.

I get the hate for McD but much like a President.....History will be the ultimate judge. Dumping Cutler and acquiring Tebow could quite possibly become Broncos lore.

No, that's TheElusiveKyleOrton, the guy nearly had a meltdown in the chat room when I made fun of how easily Kyle goes down under pressure.

Bigdawg26
01-02-2011, 07:34 PM
Depends who the coach is.

100% agreed! And that's what the whole offseason boils down to!

McDman
01-02-2011, 07:35 PM
Draft the Best DL available.

Screw another QB, or CB, Draft a NT or DE to complement Bannan. Spend picks on DL and OL depth. Build from trenches out and find more guys like Lloyd off the scrap heap. we can draft skill in 2012.

I'm not sure there is a DL worth taking with the number 2. If we moe back a couple of spots then it would work.

HAT
01-02-2011, 07:39 PM
Depends who the coach is.

As much as I want to believe this.....I can't.

The QB will dictate the coach way more than the coach dictates the QB....And I'm not agreeing or disagreeing one way or another, it just is what it is.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 07:46 PM
Wow...90% of the people who voted on this poll feel that Tebow has earned the position.

13 people want to roll the dice on an unproven rookie, wasting precious assets in the process.

footstepsfrom#27
01-02-2011, 07:51 PM
Wow...90% of the people who voted on this poll feel that Tebow has earned the position.

13 people want to roll the dice on an unproven rookie, wasting precious assets in the process.
One guy still wants Orton. Hilarious!

colonelbeef
01-02-2011, 07:55 PM
Tebow has shown enough where he deserves a shot at running the team for a season.

He has a lot of upside, and a lot of problems at the same time. We will see, and he has earned the chance to show us.

maven
01-02-2011, 07:56 PM
Luck if he's an option.

colonelbeef
01-02-2011, 08:02 PM
Luck if he's an option.

Drafting a 3rd 1st round QB in the past 5 years would be a failure even McDaniels couldn't have imagined, and believe me, that guy is really familiar with failure

Arkie
01-02-2011, 08:09 PM
This is where Tebow stacks up to the current Pro Bowl QBs after their first three starts in the NFL in several key areas.

Passing Yards
683 Peyton Manning
651 Tim Tebow
618 Tom Brady
511 Matt Ryan
504 Drew Brees
488 Phillip Rivers
225 Michael Vick

Passing TDs
4 Tim Tebow
3 Drew Brees
3 Phillip Rivers
2 Peyton Manning
2 Matt Ryan
2 Tom Brady
2 Michael Vick

Rushing Yards
199 Tim Tebow
123 Michael Vick
41 Drew Brees
26 Peyton Manning
23 Matt Ryan
12 Phillip Rivers
11 Tom Brady

Rushing TDs
3 Tim Tebow
1 Michael Vick
0 Drew Brees
0 Peyton Manning
0 Matt Ryan
0 Phillip Rivers
0 Tom Brady

Experience level during 1st three starts
R Tim Tebow
R Matt Ryan
R Peyton Manning
R Michael Vick (1st two starts)
2 Drew Brees
2 Tom Brady
3 Phillip Rivers

Que
01-02-2011, 08:16 PM
I'm kind of an Orton homer. Today, I saw Tebow airmailing passes that Kyle would have hit in his sleep.

That being said, color me impressed by Tebow - more so this week than against the Texans. Dude is a weapon out there in more ways than one. He needs a good QB coach and a running game but he's going to be fun to watch. Has tons of talent and is a gamer. Going any other direction doesn't make sense.

Jay3
01-02-2011, 08:22 PM
I'm kind of an Orton homer. Today, I saw Tebow airmailing passes that Kyle would have hit in his sleep.

Orton would have scorched that defense that the Chargers were running. But they wouldn't have run it against Orton.

It was tough to beat that defense without the whole playbook and all the audibles.

Dudeskey
01-02-2011, 08:30 PM
#12

Dare to dream, man. Dare to dream. Carolina will snatch him up first- a much better prospect than Clausen.

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 08:33 PM
Wow...90% of the people who voted on this poll feel that Tebow has earned the position.

13 people want to roll the dice on an unproven rookie, wasting precious assets in the process.

Let's put it this way, if some miraculous event happened and the Broncos went to camp next year with both Tebow and Luck, Luck would win the starting gig by the time the first pre-season game rolled around.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 08:37 PM
haha footsteps that was my dumb ass

I went to click on Tebow and somehow selected Orton.

Believe me there is no one on this thread who wants him as the QB haha

SonOfLe-loLang
01-02-2011, 08:39 PM
Let's put it this way, if some miraculous event happened and the Broncos went to camp next year with both Tebow and Luck, Luck would win the starting gig by the time the first pre-season game rolled around.

While I agree that Luck is a more polished passer with an incredibly high upside, i find Tim's ability to manage a game and keep a horrible broncos team competitive over the past three weeks incredibly intriguing. The strange thing with Tebow is there is no model that will predict his future. At this point in his career, he uses both his arms and legs equally to create yardage. Its conventional wisdom that a QB like this cant succeed in the NFL, yet....here he is succeeding. He's only three games into his NFL career and many of his issues appear to deal with the game being too fast for him (which is completely natural considering its only his third start). I think as the game slows, you'll see a more polished Tebow with those same intangibles that he's already exhibiting. I think he deserves a year as the broncos QB and see what happens. If he gets a defense that can hold their own, I really think he might be a great broncos QB. If the D keeps giving up 30 pts a game, then no QB is gonna succeed.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 08:40 PM
Let's put it this way, if some miraculous event happened and the Broncos went to camp next year with both Tebow and Luck, Luck would win the starting gig by the time the first pre-season game rolled around.

ROFL!

Pure speculation on your part, but thats not unusual.

bombay
01-02-2011, 08:43 PM
The anti-Tebow guys must be loud, it felt like there were more doubters here.

Not much Orton love here.

I think it's because if you aren't totally sold yet on a guy who's played three NFL games you're considered a 'hater' by some of the denizens of this forum.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 08:43 PM
While I agree that Luck is a more polished passer with an incredibly high upside, i find Tim's ability to manage a game and keep a horrible broncos team competitive over the past three weeks incredibly intriguing. The strange thing with Tebow is there is no model that will predict his future. At this point in his career, he uses both his arms and legs equally to create yardage. Its conventional wisdom that a QB like this cant succeed in the NFL, yet....here he is succeeding. He's only three games into his NFL career and many of his issues appear to deal with the game being too fast for him (which is completely natural considering its only his third start). I think as the game slows, you'll see a more polished Tebow with those same intangibles that he's already exhibiting. I think he deserves a year as the broncos QB and see what happens. If he gets a defense that can hold their own, I really think he might be a great broncos QB. If the D keeps giving up 30 pts a game, then no QB is gonna succeed.

Tebow running the offense while a hard-nosed dominant D punished the other team would be an extremely satisfying product to watch.

We'd be the toughest, most brutal bunch of marauders in the NFL.

It would be awesome.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 08:46 PM
I think it's because if you aren't totally sold yet on a guy who's played three NFL games you're considered a 'hater' by some of the denizens of this forum.

Nah, its more the fact that those obvious haters go out of their way to voice their displeasure despite the fact that Tebow has been much more successful than anyone could have predicted at this point.

What you guys havent figured out yet, and may never figure out, is that people have been surprised by Tebow. That's why people want to see more of him, because he exceeded their expectations. He exceeded expectations with panache. Panache that conjured memories of the Duke.

You dont expect Denver Broncos fans to be enamored with a guy that reminds them of Elway?

theAPAOps5
01-02-2011, 08:48 PM
OH God I meant to vote Tebow and clicked Orton. I DO NOT believe that.

theAPAOps5
01-02-2011, 08:50 PM
haha footsteps that was my dumb ass

I went to click on Tebow and somehow selected Orton.

Believe me there is no one on this thread who wants him as the QB haha

I did the exact same thing! I want to vomit.

Gutless Drunk
01-02-2011, 08:50 PM
http://twitter.com/PostBroncos

Tim Tebow has Brandon Lloyd's endorsement as the Broncos QB of the future. "I don’t see why he shouldn’t be," Lloyd said.

Dagmar
01-02-2011, 08:53 PM
http://twitter.com/PostBroncos

Tim Tebow has Brandon Lloyd's endorsement as the Broncos QB of the future. "I don’t see why he shouldn’t be," Lloyd said.

When I read that, and I fully admit we look too much into these things, but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 08:56 PM
apaops, you serious? I think since that has happened I have spiraled into a deep depression and have began to question my knowledge about football...

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 09:01 PM
When I read that, and I fully admit we look too much into these things, but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Actually, it kind of is considering the partnership he had with Orton on what was a career year for him.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 09:04 PM
apaops, you serious? I think since that has happened I have spiraled into a deep depression and have began to question my knowledge about football...

If you live at or near Montana State University, you should just take a look around you and you wont be depressed much longer.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 09:04 PM
I think Lloyd was worried that when Tebow came in he would not be utilized at all but it seems obvious that Tebow has complete trust in Lloyd.

I worry about him with the offseason coming, I have a feeling he will demand big money.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 09:06 PM
Epic did you go to the cats? I played football there last year for the first semester but ran into some problems so I transferred to a small NAIA school in Billings.

It truly is beautiful in Bozeman and the college is great!

HAT
01-02-2011, 09:08 PM
Drafting a 3rd 1st round QB in the past 5 years would be a failure even McDaniels couldn't have imagined, and believe me, that guy is really familiar with failure

I hope you're right CB but the majority of head coaches who have personnel decisions are going to to try to make their mark.

Shanny chased Elway and moved up for Cutler.
McD drafted Brandy before he even thought about making a gigantic move for Tebow. It's what coaches do....

It's on Bowlen & Elway to make it crystal clear to the new coach that 'we' are either rolling with Tim (and not even thinking about drafting a project QB until 2017 or so) or dumping him outright in favor of the 'next big thing'

People can rail on McD all they want but a Tebow/Quinn combo with Orton as trade bait ain't a bad place to be.

I'm not a Tebow culter by any means but IF a new regime means a new QB (as is often the case) it needs to be an all in situation.....We can't be wishy washy in this regard.

Bowlen needs to make a solid commitment to a HC who will make a solid commitment to his staff (Especially DC) who will make a solid commitment to a scheme and a starting QB.

I want that to be Tebow & a 3-4 but if that's not the case, make the change and COMMIT to it for 3-5 years and let the cards fall where they may. See: Tom Cable thread. Nobody's gonna accuse him of being a great coach but the Raiders are better off today simply b/c they've had some consistency.

strafen
01-02-2011, 09:10 PM
Luck if he's an option.Tomorrow, Stanford plays Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl.
This is a chance most of us would love to see and learn more about Luck.
I expect that after the game -for better or for worse- there will be plenty buzz around here discussing Luck.

I find it odd that outside the mane nobody else linking Luck with the possible hire of Harbaugh as our HC, and Elway now being the VP of Football Operations. That must've just been us :)

That said, Harbaugh shouldn't have a problem working with Tebow. In fact, I think it will be a huge investment in the development of Tebow...

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 09:11 PM
Epic did you go to the cats? I played football there last year for the first semester but ran into some problems so I transferred to a small NAIA school in Billings.

It truly is beautiful in Bozeman and the college is great!

Nope...I may go get another degree in Missoula though. Looking at a career change, and they have a PhD program that I'm interested in.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 09:13 PM
I have a few friends that go to Missoula and have yet to hear of anyone not liking it. I think if you can get past the amount of hippies within the city limits you'll love it! haha

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 09:14 PM
I have a few friends that go to Missoula and have yet to hear of anyone not liking it. I think if you can get past the amount of hippies within the city limits you'll love it! haha

I get along with hippies just fine. Especially the ones who play football. ;D

I can even stomach pachouli substituted for deodorant for short periods of time. :)

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 09:15 PM
While I agree that Luck is a more polished passer with an incredibly high upside, i find Tim's ability to manage a game and keep a horrible broncos team competitive over the past three weeks incredibly intriguing. The strange thing with Tebow is there is no model that will predict his future. At this point in his career, he uses both his arms and legs equally to create yardage. Its conventional wisdom that a QB like this cant succeed in the NFL, yet....here he is succeeding. He's only three games into his NFL career and many of his issues appear to deal with the game being too fast for him (which is completely natural considering its only his third start). I think as the game slows, you'll see a more polished Tebow with those same intangibles that he's already exhibiting. I think he deserves a year as the broncos QB and see what happens. If he gets a defense that can hold their own, I really think he might be a great broncos QB. If the D keeps giving up 30 pts a game, then no QB is gonna succeed.

Tebow is definitely the most exciting guy to watch. It seems that a form of idol worship is springing up around him now where anybody pointing out the slightest deficiency in his game is labeled a hater. So be it. Tebow has some big shortcomings in his game. We saw some of those today against a better defense. His clock awareness was non-existent. Some of those passes were just ridiculous, like he had no clue where anybody was supposed to be. He looked baffled by Rivera's defensive sets and looked as though he had no idea where the pressure was coming from. What bailed him out is that he could just take off down the field, which he resorted to pretty quickly when he was confused by the coverage. How long is he going to get away with that in the NFL? Can he even throw a timing route?

It's not like Meyer bred QBs have a very good track record in the NFL. Some people have just put on the blinders and are sitting in the corner going "Blah, blah, blah." I just don't want the Broncos to waste five years on a QB who is not going to be able to get to elite status.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 09:23 PM
quarterbacks can be coached on what to do and what not to do. With experience comes the clock awareness, timing with receivers, ability to read defensive sets.

However, you cannot coach players to be leaders. Tebow is a leader and a winner. you can't coach that.

outdoor_miner
01-02-2011, 09:24 PM
We saw some of those today against a better defense. His clock awareness was non-existent. Some of those passes were just ridiculous, like he had no clue where anybody was supposed to be. He looked baffled by Rivera's defensive sets and looked as though he had no idea where the pressure was coming from. What bailed him out is that he could just take off down the field, which he resorted to pretty quickly when he was confused by the coverage. How long is he going to get away with that in the NFL? Can he even throw a timing route?

Jeez, man... He is a rookie starting his 3rd game without a real head coach (or Offensive Coordinator for that matter). What the hell do you expect?

Cito Pelon
01-02-2011, 09:28 PM
Let's put it this way, if some miraculous event happened and the Broncos went to camp next year with both Tebow and Luck, Luck would win the starting gig by the time the first pre-season game rolled around.

Please.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 09:35 PM
rohirrim on a serious note what do you expect out of a rookie quarterback?

Cito Pelon
01-02-2011, 09:36 PM
While I agree that Luck is a more polished passer with an incredibly high upside, i find Tim's ability to manage a game and keep a horrible broncos team competitive over the past three weeks incredibly intriguing. The strange thing with Tebow is there is no model that will predict his future. At this point in his career, he uses both his arms and legs equally to create yardage. Its conventional wisdom that a QB like this cant succeed in the NFL, yet....here he is succeeding. He's only three games into his NFL career and many of his issues appear to deal with the game being too fast for him (which is completely natural considering its only his third start). I think as the game slows, you'll see a more polished Tebow with those same intangibles that he's already exhibiting. I think he deserves a year as the broncos QB and see what happens. If he gets a defense that can hold their own, I really think he might be a great broncos QB. If the D keeps giving up 30 pts a game, then no QB is gonna succeed.

Tarkenton, Elway, McNair, Staubach, Young are pretty good models IMO.

epicSocialism4tw
01-02-2011, 09:38 PM
Tarkenton, Elway, McNair, Staubach, Young are pretty good models IMO.

Yep.

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 09:38 PM
Jeez, man... He is a rookie starting his 3rd game without a real head coach (or Offensive Coordinator for that matter). What the hell do you expect?

I expect people to quit making him out to be the best QB to ever exist.

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 09:44 PM
quarterbacks can be coached on what to do and what not to do. With experience comes the clock awareness, timing with receivers, ability to read defensive sets.

However, you cannot coach players to be leaders. Tebow is a leader and a winner. you can't coach that.

That's true. He definitely has leadership qualities and passion that rubs off on those playing with him. That makes up for a lot. I hope he can pick up the ability to read defenses and throw some timing passes. His accuracy went out the window today, maybe due to the pressure. Hopefully, that was just an anomaly.

BroncosSR
01-02-2011, 09:44 PM
quarterbacks can be coached on what to do and what not to do. With experience comes the clock awareness, timing with receivers, ability to read defensive sets.

However, you cannot coach players to be leaders. Tebow is a leader and a winner. you can't coach that.

You can't coach accuracy either...


If he was a little more accurate, this wouldn't even be a discussion to me...

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 09:47 PM
You can't coach accuracy either...


If he was a little more accurate, this wouldn't even be a discussion to me...

Someone else made a good point about accuracy sometimes being a function of timing and experience.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 09:51 PM
I expect his accuracy to come around also. Tebow had one of the highest completion percentages ever for a career in college. But I agree with you he has a lot to work on but even when your Peyton Manning you still go into each season with things you want to get better at or things you might not be as good at.

I do agree that some people may be crowning him too soon. Any fan base would when your team goes 4-12 for the season. Tebow has definitely been a bright spot these last three games and gives fans something to hope in our future. Is he going to be a hall of famer who knows and its impossible to know, but Tebow has played very well for a rookie.

you cannot deny that can you?

SonOfLe-loLang
01-02-2011, 09:58 PM
Tebow is definitely the most exciting guy to watch. It seems that a form of idol worship is springing up around him now where anybody pointing out the slightest deficiency in his game is labeled a hater. So be it. Tebow has some big shortcomings in his game. We saw some of those today against a better defense. His clock awareness was non-existent. Some of those passes were just ridiculous, like he had no clue where anybody was supposed to be. He looked baffled by Rivera's defensive sets and looked as though he had no idea where the pressure was coming from. What bailed him out is that he could just take off down the field, which he resorted to pretty quickly when he was confused by the coverage. How long is he going to get away with that in the NFL? Can he even throw a timing route?

It's not like Meyer bred QBs have a very good track record in the NFL. Some people have just put on the blinders and are sitting in the corner going "Blah, blah, blah." I just don't want the Broncos to waste five years on a QB who is not going to be able to get to elite status.

But pretty much everything you mentioned there is a mental thing. Its only his third game. Like most QBs, the game will slow down for him with experience. As far as timing routes, he was off with those today, but threw some last game. It seems when he knows what the D is giving him (like the last drive when SD kept it simpler), he throws the ball with more confidence, and thus, more accurately. I think, with time, the complex defenses will also become clearer to him.

I dont know if he's gonna be a great QB (and to Cito (i think it was), while those QB's are close to models, none of them have used their legs as much as Tim has. But I am pretty intrigued with what I've seen from him so far. He made a horridly crappy broncos team competitive in three games where the defense, per usual, gave him little help. Im curious to see how he'd develop. If we were picking number one overall, i think its more of a conversation as to whether or not we take luck (because, i agree, hes a great prospect), but im not sure its worth giving them the farm to draft a guy when we may have a more than adequate QB already.

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 10:10 PM
But pretty much everything you mentioned there is a mental thing. Its only his third game. Like most QBs, the game will slow down for him with experience. As far as timing routes, he was off with those today, but threw some last game. It seems when he knows what the D is giving him (like the last drive when SD kept it simpler), he throws the ball with more confidence, and thus, more accurately. I think, with time, the complex defenses will also become clearer to him.

I dont know if he's gonna be a great QB (and to Cito (i think it was), while those QB's are close to models, none of them have used their legs as much as Tim has. But I am pretty intrigued with what I've seen from him so far. He made a horridly crappy broncos team competitive in three games where the defense, per usual, gave him little help. Im curious to see how he'd develop. If we were picking number one overall, i think its more of a conversation as to whether or not we take luck (because, i agree, hes a great prospect), but im not sure its worth giving them the farm to draft a guy when we may have a more than adequate QB already.

We may get a signal this week. Let's face it, Tebow was Josh's pick. Josh was fired up about a lot of Urban's ideas and wanted to go even more in that direction than he did while with the Pats. If Elway brings in Harbaugh are either of them going to want to go there? Are they going to see Tebow as the right fit for the kind of system that Harbaugh runs? This could be an interesting week.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-02-2011, 10:13 PM
We may get a signal this week. Let's face it, Tebow was Josh's pick. Josh was fired up about a lot of Urban's ideas and wanted to go even more in that direction than he did while with the Pats. If Elway brings in Harbaugh are either of them going to want to go there? Are they going to see Tebow as the right fit for the kind of system that Harbaugh runs? This could be an interesting week.

Tim will tell! But im not sure this current offense is even the best one for Tim. Did we even have a bootleg in the playbook?

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 10:17 PM
We may get a signal this week. Let's face it, Tebow was Josh's pick. Josh was fired up about a lot of Urban's ideas and wanted to go even more in that direction than he did while with the Pats. If Elway brings in Harbaugh are either of them going to want to go there? Are they going to see Tebow as the right fit for the kind of system that Harbaugh runs? This could be an interesting week.

They didnt utilize Luck's mobility in college?

broncocalijohn
01-02-2011, 10:20 PM
Dont mind if Orton and Tebow compete for the starting job next year but I think our best chance of improving over the long haul is to have Tebow go at it from the start. Orton could be good with a great defense but we wont have that for a while.

schaaf
01-02-2011, 11:28 PM
I'll be very disappointed if we don't trade Orton this offseason. We need that cap space and hopefully some more picks