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Taco John
12-30-2010, 04:47 PM
I've been doing some post mortem on our season, trying to understand what happened to this team. Honestly, I thought we might be going the right direction that Sunday in Week 6 when we played the Jets. We were 2-3 and we battled the Jets like we belonged in the post-season hunt. We fell to 2-4 in that loss, and EVERYTHING fell apart. What happened? Why were we so electric against the Jets, and why were we so utterly flat against the Raiders?

Then it hit me. That game against the Jets (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010101709/2010/REG6/jets@broncos#recap-channels:cat-post-recap-quick-take/tab:analyze) featured a brand new wrinkle that we hadn't seen at that point. We were using Tebow in the red zone (good for a touchdown) and on a handful of moderate runs. At the time I remember thinking that the offense just seemed to respond differently to Tebow. It seemed more energetic, but I shrugged it off figuring that I was getting Tebow fever and maybe seeing things that weren't there.

The next week against the Raiders, Tebow didn't see the field, and was kept quiet unitl that awesome game against KC when Tebow scored twice (one on a run, and another on a pass to Larsen). That, of course, was the last win of the McDaniel's Tenure.

To the point of the thread, I thought it would be interesting to go back and see what Josh had said about Tebow to see if we could find any clues about Tebow.

Here's the post Jets press conference: Josh is asked about Tebow at 4:49 (http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Josh-McDaniels-Press-Conference/72a94cad-3692-4067-823c-7338772bdac1)


Here's the post Chiefs press conference: Josh talks about Tebow at 2:00 very, very, very briefly (http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/Chiefs-Postgame-McDaniels-/b3b9b0e2-da39-4360-be11-03e8f8109e48)

OrangeSe7en
12-30-2010, 04:51 PM
What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".

McDaniels orphaned Tebow at our doorstep and now we're his proud parents.

Taco John
12-30-2010, 04:52 PM
What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".

I forgot about that. That was like two weeks before he started including him in packages...

McDman
12-30-2010, 04:55 PM
What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".

McDaniels orphaned Tebow at our doorstep and now we're his proud parents.

That always bothered me.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-30-2010, 04:57 PM
I forgot about that. That was like two weeks before he started including him in packages...

More specifically, it was after going 0/5 in the redzone against Indy.

Broncosfreak_56
12-30-2010, 04:57 PM
Well, at least we now know what to call it when Tebow runs on the goal line: Wild Blimp. lol

Dr. Broncenstein
12-30-2010, 04:58 PM
Well, at least we now know what to call it when Tebow runs on the goal line: Wild Blimp. lol

Wild Jesus or Jumbo Jesus, please.

baja
12-30-2010, 05:00 PM
More specifically, it was after going 0/5 in the redzone against Indy.

I remember you were the lone voice calling him on that. Looks like you were right about Hillis too. Way to go Doc.

TDmvp
12-30-2010, 05:01 PM
Wild Jesus or Jumbo Jesus, please.

/agree...

Gort
12-30-2010, 05:05 PM
What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".

McDaniels orphaned Tebow at our doorstep and now we're his proud parents.

that stubborness was not a good personality trait. not in 2009 when asked about Hillis. not in 2010 when asked about Tebow. i still don't get it. why was he so resistant? all i can come up with is that he wasn't open to re-considering any decision once it was made. that's been the undoing of many NFL head coaches over the years.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-30-2010, 05:09 PM
We used Tebow as a redzone specialist for the first time against the Jets. However, we didn't use him on the first redzone trip. That drive stalled at the 7 yard line on 3rd and 1. The field goal attempt was missed on a botched snap. That was a 10 point swing as the Jets scored a touchdown on the following drive.

ayjackson
12-30-2010, 05:11 PM
I think it was ridiculous to start Tebow based on a few QB sneaks in the redzone.

I'm confused by sentiment on this board. It seems clear to me that Tebow was Josh's binkie and he wanted him as the QB of the future. That he didn't play against the Raiders was no indication of abandonment.

broncosteven
12-30-2010, 05:12 PM
I forgot about that. That was like two weeks before he started including him in packages...

I will never forget (nor forget) mCd saying in a Presser that it was rediculous to run Tebow out of the shotgun on 3rd and 1 at the goaline.

He said that if that was our best option converting then there were a whole bunch of problems in the run game. There were but using Tebow worked.

Actually I thought putting Tebow in that Swap gas package in the middle of a drive was stupid, it always seemed to throw Orton off and just killed momentum but at the Goal in short yardage he is a great wepon.

ayjackson
12-30-2010, 05:13 PM
That PI call against the Jets was the turning point of the season though.

The question I have is when we played well, were we above are talent level? Specifically with the defence. Did they give up, or were they just not good?

Taco John
12-30-2010, 05:18 PM
I'm confused by sentiment on this board.


I'm confused abotu Josh's sentiments on Tebow. He goes out of his way to downplay his value and effectiveness in the Chiefs press conference that I linked, and spends more time talking about the locker room reaction to him getting playing time than Tebow's actual performance.

KipCorrington25
12-30-2010, 05:20 PM
that stubborness was not a good personality trait. not in 2009 when asked about Hillis. not in 2010 when asked about Tebow. i still don't get it. why was he so resistant? all i can come up with is that he wasn't open to re-considering any decision once it was made. that's been the undoing of many NFL head coaches over the years.

Why? Because he was smarter than everyone else... in his mind... Hilarious!

Gort
12-30-2010, 05:21 PM
I'm confused abotu Josh's sentiments on Tebow. He goes out of his way to downplay his value and effectiveness in the Chiefs press conference that I linked, and spends more time talking about the locker room reaction to him getting playing time than Tebow's actual performance.

my guess... McD didn't get enough hugs growing up.

OrangeSe7en
12-30-2010, 05:23 PM
I think it was ridiculous to start Tebow based on a few QB sneaks in the redzone.

I'm confused by sentiment on this board. It seems clear to me that Tebow was Josh's binkie and he wanted him as the QB of the future. That he didn't play against the Raiders was no indication of abandonment.

When he refused to play Tebow, even though it could have saved his job, he orphaned Tebow. When Josh was fired, Tebow as in limbo.

Atwater His Ass
12-30-2010, 05:24 PM
It just seems that on some level Josh has a few screws loose somewhere. Perhaps is just a maturity issue, be the more I think about it, he just seems a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to any kind of social skills.

mkporter
12-30-2010, 05:24 PM
What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".


Knowing where he learned, I think part of it was that he was probably trying not to tip his hand. The Patriot way values secrecy at all costs, even when pointless.

Gort
12-30-2010, 05:26 PM
It just seems that on some level Josh has a few screws loose somewhere. Perhaps is just a maturity issue, be the more I think about it, he just seems a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to any kind of social skills.

Taco's avatar is doing alot to make me doubt the McD's sanity. every time i see it, the thought goes through my head... "does he know he just got fired?"

TheReverend
12-30-2010, 05:27 PM
Knowing where he learned, I think part of it was that he was probably trying not to tip his hand. The Patriot way values secrecy at all costs, even when pointless.

Doubtful.

That dude won't shut the **** up in pressers to save his life.

broncosteven
12-30-2010, 05:27 PM
It just seems that on some level Josh has a few screws loose somewhere. Perhaps is just a maturity issue, be the more I think about it, he just seems a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to any kind of social skills.

He is still young, I don't think he was mature enough to be given all that power with the lack of experience he had. Had he been an assistant on a couple NFL teams and saw how more than Belly got it done and managed people then he might have had a shot.

I believe he will be much better at his next couple stops.

strafen
12-30-2010, 05:39 PM
that stubborness was not a good personality trait. not in 2009 when asked about Hillis. not in 2010 when asked about Tebow. i still don't get it. why was he so resistant? all i can come up with is that he wasn't open to re-considering any decision once it was made. that's been the undoing of many NFL head coaches over the years.I've always felt he wasn't forthright in all his answers. Too vague at times, and left a lot of his answers up for interpretation.
Too secretative for me to figure him out. He never realized that he wasn't just holding back clear answers to the media; we the fans wanted to know more too...

baja
12-30-2010, 05:40 PM
He is still young, I don't think he was mature enough to be given all that power with the lack of experience he had. Had he been an assistant on a couple NFL teams and saw how more than Belly got it done and managed people then he might have had a shot.

<b>I believe he will be much better at his next couple stops.

Me too. I think he will end being one of the best coaches in the game. That is why I am so upset with Bowlen for not giving him the support any sane owner would give to a first time 31 year old coach. Who did he think he was hiring Bill Parcells?

bowtown
12-30-2010, 05:42 PM
I've always felt he wasn't forthright in all his answers. Too vague at times, and left a lot of his answers up for interpretation.
Too secretative for me to figure him out. He never realized that he wasn't just holding back clear answers to the media; we the fans wanted to know more too...

Yeah, no coaches ever do this. Shanahan is an open book. Great detective work there.

strafen
12-30-2010, 05:42 PM
Taco's avatar is doing alot to make me doubt the McD's sanity. every time i see it, the thought goes through my head... "does he know he just got fired?"I think he's just got that look in his eyes of plotting some revenge...

Boobs McGee
12-30-2010, 05:58 PM
I honestly will always believe (unless he comes out and says otherwise) that McD thought Orton was giving us the best chance to win, and that it was a good idea for Tebow to remain leashed to learn and grow in that regard until he was ready.

McD is the qb guru, and although he is hated by many, it's pretty hard to deny that he knows a LOT more about proper quarterback management than we do. Who knows, we might have seen Timothy in one of the last few games...that will always remain a mystery now. I just think Josh was doing what he thought best for the team, however ****ed up it seemed to joe public.

ShutDownPoster
12-30-2010, 06:04 PM
Napoleon had it, it's called 'short man's disease' only McD was more like Scrappy Do. If Shanny was the 'little man upstairs' than McD was the little munchkin upstairs.

ghwk
12-30-2010, 06:06 PM
He is still young, I don't think he was mature enough to be given all that power with the lack of experience he had. Had he been an assistant on a couple NFL teams and saw how more than Belly got it done and managed people then he might have had a shot.

I believe he will be much better at his next couple stops.

Some day the Bronco's will be to him what the Raiders were to Shanahan. We will be his B**ch! Hilarious!

Dagmar
12-30-2010, 06:21 PM
So McD in the press conference was supposed to come out and say "yes, we will be using Tebow in short situations. He is so damned good I will show you it as it happens, but you wont be able to stop it!! *evil laugh*!!!!!"

You guys need to get over this hatred, it isn't good for the soul. Look forward to the future with Tebow and a new coach.

Clockwork Orange
12-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Some day the Bronco's will be to him what the Raiders were to Shanahan. We will be his B**ch! Hilarious!

I saw nothing at all that suggests that McDaniels will be a great head coach. All I saw was another former New England assistant failing miserably when out from behind Mama Belichick's skirt.

I haven't regretted his firing for one nanosecond and I don't believe I ever will.

Rascal
12-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Every day with reports/analysis of McD confirms that Bowlen is smarter than we think.

Likwid Kerruj
12-30-2010, 06:31 PM
I knew he didn't have the balls to play Tebow as a standard QB when he didn't open the second half of the last Chiefs game with him.

baja
12-30-2010, 06:33 PM
Many want to believe that firing McD will solve all the Bronco's problems, we will see

strafen
12-30-2010, 06:36 PM
Many want to believe that firing McD will solve all the Bronco's problems, we will seeIt solved huge integrity issues for the franchise.

~Crash~
12-30-2010, 06:36 PM
That PI call against the Jets was the turning point of the season though.

The question I have is when we played well, were we above are talent level? Specifically with the defence. Did they give up, or were they just not good?

We ran out of players . Injuries . No depth .

Clockwork Orange
12-30-2010, 06:37 PM
Many want to believe that firing McD will solve all the Bronco's problems, we will see

No, many of us just believe that it solved one of their biggest problems.

baja
12-30-2010, 06:40 PM
No, many of us just believe that it solved one of their biggest problems.

Well I hope you are right but I don't think so. He was given an insane amount of power without support given his experience, that is on Pat Bowlen and he will never fire himself.

Clockwork Orange
12-30-2010, 06:45 PM
Well I hope you are right but I don't think so. He was given an insane amount of power without support given his experience, that is on Pat Bowlen and he will never fire himself.

It was proven that Bowlen was mistaken for hiring McDaniels in the first place since it became pretty obvious that he was in about 10 miles over his head in this job. It was Bowlen's mistake to give him the keys, but it was McDaniels who drove off a cliff. Bowlen admitted to his mistake when he fired McDaniels and is now in the process (and it is a process) of correcting it.

Still, it isn't Bowlen's fault that McDaniels failed so miserably at his job.

~Crash~
12-30-2010, 06:46 PM
when Nolan was put into his place is when McD sealed his fate .simple as that . We won 6 games with Nolan doing his thing .

mkporter
12-30-2010, 06:50 PM
Doubtful.

That dude won't shut the **** up in pressers to save his life.

You're right. Maybe he just didn't know the proper name for the various lower and upper extremities.

McDman
12-30-2010, 06:51 PM
Me too. I think he will end being one of the best coaches in the game. That is why I am so upset with Bowlen for not giving him the support any sane owner would give to a first time 31 year old coach. Who did he think he was hiring Bill Parcells?

Thought you weren't a fan anymore?

TonyR
12-30-2010, 07:16 PM
What happened? Why were we so electric against the Jets, and why were we so utterly flat against the Raiders?

Then it hit me. That game against the Jets (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010101709/2010/REG6/jets@broncos#recap-channels:cat-post-recap-quick-take/tab:analyze) featured a brand new wrinkle that we hadn't seen at that point. We were using Tebow in the red zone (good for a touchdown) and on a handful of moderate runs.

Okay, but how does that explain the defensive side of the ball? There may be something to the Tebow thing, but it certainly doesn't explain away how well the team played overall in one game and then how awful in the other.

broncosteven
12-30-2010, 07:20 PM
Thought you weren't a fan anymore?

lol

ColoradoDarin
12-30-2010, 07:32 PM
Bah, misleading title, I thought it'd be a new interview. What a gyp!

baja
12-30-2010, 07:59 PM
Thought you weren't a fan anymore?

I'm not this is written by a ghost writer.

Dagmar
12-30-2010, 07:59 PM
Thought you weren't a fan anymore?

You mean this treat?
http://i51.tinypic.com/2wresmr.png

:~ohyah!::giggle::~ohyah!: :giggle:

baja
12-30-2010, 08:04 PM
You mean this treat?
http://i51.tinypic.com/2wresmr.png

:~ohyah!::giggle::~ohyah!: :giggle:

For someone that brags about having me on ignore you sure quote me a lot.

HAT
12-30-2010, 08:50 PM
Bah, misleading title, I thought it'd be a new interview. What a gyp!

No ****....tsi must be ghost writing Taco's thread titles.

Bronco Yoda
12-30-2010, 10:05 PM
It just seems that on some level Josh has a few screws loose somewhere. Perhaps is just a maturity issue, be the more I think about it, he just seems a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to any kind of social skills.

I agree. I wouldn't just automatically assume that Josh will take that quantum leap of self awareness in the future. He might... but I'm betting against it.

It wasn't like he was a 23 year old kid still developing. He was young, but still old enough to have gained the needed social skills by now.

People are who they are.

broncocalijohn
12-30-2010, 10:51 PM
I remember you were the lone voice calling him on that. Looks like you were right about Hillis too. Way to go Doc.

the lone voice calling him out on what? That Ridiculous statement when he should have been playing him? That comment was going on from many members of the Mane. It was same problem as last year with short yardage to gain and not making it.

Many want to believe that firing McD will solve all the Bronco's problems, we will see

It solves the bleeding problem. Who in the hell said it solves all problems. Once again, a pro McD poster wants to stretch the truth. He came in with problems already here. He left with much bigger and wider problems for the franchise. We didnt want the Broncos to turn into the Lions which was fast approaching.

bowtown
12-30-2010, 11:05 PM
I saw nothing at all that suggests that McDaniels will be a great head coach. All I saw was another former New England assistant failing miserably when out from behind Mama Belichick's skirt.

I haven't regretted his firing for one nanosecond and I don't believe I ever will.

To me, it's actually uncanny how many similarities I see to McDaniel's stint here and Belichick's stint in Cleveland. Belichick was young and brash and got rid of anyone he clashed with on the team. I think McDaniels could very well eventually be tempered a little and become a little more wise and be a very very good coach. He has the knowledge, and tht will continue to grow, he really just needs a lot of work on the leadership and people skills. I lso think becoming older will eventually bring him a little more credibilty and respect from the media and even his players. Young firey coaches are the fad and are great, but I think there is really something to be said for guys who have put in their time and have scars to show for it. Even though no one may want to admit it, I think it brings a level of respect that a young kid out of Ohio, who's dad is the reason he is where he is, doesn't. I think Kyle Shanahan may also be experiencing something similar in Washington. Iwouldn't bet against McDaniels one day being a ver successful head coach.

Gort
12-31-2010, 03:36 AM
the lone voice calling him out on what? That Ridiculous statement when he should have been playing him? That comment was going on from many members of the Mane. It was same problem as last year with short yardage to gain and not making it.



It solves the bleeding problem. Who in the hell said it solves all problems. Once again, a pro McD poster wants to stretch the truth. He came in with problems already here. He left with much bigger and wider problems for the franchise. We didnt want the Broncos to turn into the Lions which was fast approaching.

meanwhile, the Lions have turned into a respectable team all of the sudden.

Rohirrim
12-31-2010, 08:42 AM
Me too. I think he will end being one of the best coaches in the game. That is why I am so upset with Bowlen for not giving him the support any sane owner would give to a first time 31 year old coach. Who did he think he was hiring Bill Parcells?

Yep. He should have been given another year.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-31-2010, 08:48 AM
Yep. He should have been given another year.

He should have never been hired. That was the mistake. Getting rid of him in record time was the admission of that mistake.

CEH
12-31-2010, 08:58 AM
I agree. I wouldn't just automatically assume that Josh will take that quantum leap of self awareness in the future. He might... but I'm betting against it.

It wasn't like he was a 23 year old kid still developing. He was young, but still old enough to have gained the needed social skills by now.

People are who they are.

Everyone points to he's a great coach. That point is indisputable but a HC needs to be more than just a great coach. He needs to be a leader of men.

I think Josh has core value issues far beyond X's and O's. Maybe he stuck to the NE script too much instead of being himself.

We shall see if he gets another HC job. If he doesn't that will pretty much shows that the NFL believes he had some type of hand in Spygate II.

All the former players who are now talking heads say videotapers work to damn long each week(80-90hrs) to just decide to go rogue.

Dagmar
12-31-2010, 09:41 AM
He should have never been hired. That was the mistake. Getting rid of him in record time was the admission of that mistake.

I bloody wish we could have seen McDaniels with an experienced staff around him, ala Haley in KC. Not going to start an argument, it's over, lets look to the future.

go_broncos
12-31-2010, 09:46 AM
It is never good when posters in mane has more Football IQ than Mcd.

Dagmar
12-31-2010, 09:48 AM
It is never good when posters in mane has more Football IQ than Mcd.

Me talk English real good.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-31-2010, 09:49 AM
I bloody wish we could have seen McDaniels with an experienced staff around him, ala Haley in KC. Not going to start an argument, it's over, lets look to the future.

He needed an actual GM in charge of personnel. He had probably the best support on staff in Mike Nolan. A guy who not only should have run the defense with autonomy, but a guy with head coaching experience to lean on when the going got tough. Getting Nolan on board was a huge coup for McD. Running Nolan out of town is a window into the reason McD failed.

broncosteven
12-31-2010, 09:51 AM
I bloody wish we could have seen McDaniels with an experienced staff around him, ala Haley in KC. Not going to start an argument, it's over, lets look to the future.

I would have liked to see mCd assemble an experienced staff around him. Those were his guys and he couldn't win with them.

I doubt he would have taken the Denver gig if Bowlen told him that he (or even both of them) was going to pick a GM and all mCd was responsible for was coaching. I am guessing he would have turned down that offer and went to another place where he got what Bowlen gave him.

As it was mCd's lack of true NFL contacts left him relying on his manager/agent to put him in contact with Nolan, the only real NFL experieced guy on the staff and he filled the rest out with Ohio High School football hall of famers.

I agree it is time to move on but don't pass all of it off on Bowlen, it is Bowlens fault that he impulsively hired a kid with minimal experience and no NFL contacts. Here is to hoping we get a stron GM and front office with a cheap up and coming HC who has been around the league at a couple stops and has the experience and contacts to be a success.

go_broncos
12-31-2010, 09:51 AM
Me talk English real good.

Were you Mcd fan?
Not surprised by your reply.

strafen
12-31-2010, 10:05 AM
He needed an actual GM in charge of personnel. He had probably the best support on staff in Mike Nolan. A guy who not only should have run the defense with autonomy, but a guy with head coaching experience to lean on when the going got tough. Getting Nolan on board was a huge coup for McD. Running Nolan out of town is a window into the reason McD failed.Nolan, Dennison, Turner. Wait!
He did have a good staff of coaches to start with, right?
The firing couldn't come any sooner. Thanks God!

Popps
12-31-2010, 10:39 AM
McDaniels was in a similar position to Shanahan. Yanking a respected starter isn't always an easy thing to do, even if you have a losing record. Had Josh stayed around, we would have seen Tebow play due to the injury, anyway. So, I doubt much would have changed. But, Orton played well for McDaninels all year, so it doesn't surprise me that McDaniels tried to stick with him. (Though, Orton was clearly hurt in that K.C. game, and someone should have made the call on it, then.)

I'm just glad McDaniels left us with so many exciting players, Tebow being perhaps the most exciting.

XXXII&III
12-31-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm just glad McDaniels left us, period.

lostknight
12-31-2010, 11:44 AM
Baja and others need to realize that McDaniels was always going to need to get kicked around by the school of hard knocks before he was effective. He will be a brilliant head coach, but he was never going to mature into that until someone didn't let him get his way and fired his ass to prove that he isn't the end all and be all on the football field.

Studesville stated this morning on the ticket that the plan was always to let Tebow start at the end of the season. If that's pre or post McDaniels, I don't know, but given the recent revelations that Josh wanted to deal Orton, I think it's safe to say that Tebow would have gotten his shot.

The controversy of benching Orton - if Orton hadn't basically benched himself with back to back dreadful performances and a horrific third down passer rating and made it easy, it would have been controversial, even for Studesville.

Tebow's history here is very interesting. Josh made a gamble that really only he could have made - Belichick could (and would) have picked up Tebow, but being second to Brady would have started a insane firestorm sooner or later. Josh may have been the only coach that both believed in him, and also thought he needed a QB.

The Broncos organization has made it really hard on Tebow by getting rid of Josh and then asking him to start. Talk about the most painful possible set of circumstances to step into.

broncosteven
12-31-2010, 12:07 PM
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I'm just glad McDaniels left us with so many exciting players, Tebow being perhaps the most exciting.

He also left us with the highest pick I have seen in over 40 years.

baja
12-31-2010, 01:12 PM
Baja and others need to realize that McDaniels was always going to need to get kicked around by the school of hard knocks before he was effective. He will be a brilliant head coach, but he was never going to mature into that until someone didn't let him get his way and fired his ass to prove that he isn't the end all and be all on the football field.

Studesville stated this morning on the ticket that the plan was always to let Tebow start at the end of the season. If that's pre or post McDaniels, I don't know, but given the recent revelations that Josh wanted to deal Orton, I think it's safe to say that Tebow would have gotten his shot.

The controversy of benching Orton - if Orton hadn't basically benched himself with back to back dreadful performances and a horrific third down passer rating and made it easy, it would have been controversial, even for Studesville.

Tebow's history here is very interesting. Josh made a gamble that really only he could have made - Belichick could (and would) have picked up Tebow, but being second to Brady would have started a insane firestorm sooner or later. Josh may have been the only coach that both believed in him, and also thought he needed a QB.

The Broncos organization has made it really hard on Tebow by getting rid of Josh and then asking him to start. Talk about the most painful possible set of circumstances to step into.

Had Bowlen hired Josh as a rookie head coach only and supported him in all the other matters traditionally left to other men Josh may well have been insulated from the exposure that he was not ready for and he could have grown into the the other aspects of the job over time. He could have been groomed into a great head coach right here in Denver with the right leadership. Pat Bowlen failed Josh McDaniels. It was like a talented young computer hacker was given the the lead decision making roll in R&D in a large company because he was a good hacker.

Missouribronc
12-31-2010, 01:21 PM
...and the Chiefs are looking for a new offensive coordinator...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5974715

lostknight
12-31-2010, 01:32 PM
Had Bowlen hired Josh as a rookie head coach only and supported him in all the other matters traditionally left to other men Josh may well have been insulated from the exposure that he was not ready for and he could have grown into the the other aspects of the job over time.


I don't disagree completely with this, but the reality also is that Josh got taken - by Bus Cook, by Brandon Marshall, and by others, and made a series of poor interpersonal decisions, that the franchise didn't check and were hurt by.


He could have been groomed into a great head coach right here in Denver with the right leadership. Pat Bowlen failed Josh McDaniels. It was like a talented young computer hacker was given the the lead decision making roll in R&D in a large company because he was a good hacker.

Josh's actions where more or less that of a army private being handed a gun and being told to that they were now a General in the US army. Having been given that gun, the General then proceed to shoot himself in one foot, then the other, and then finally in the head.

Is it his own damn fault? Yep. He was in over his head and rather then react rationally to blowing off two of his pinkie tows, he doubled down and did a huge amount of collaterial damage to this organization.

My posts on this are on the record. The second the Goodman's were fired, I freaked. There was a good reason for that freakage.

I honestly believe that if we had gotten Josh McDaniels with Pioli, we would be in the playoffs this year, and Pat Bowlen would be getting rave reviews on ESPN insider.

baja
12-31-2010, 01:37 PM
I don't disagree completely with this, but the reality also is that Josh got taken - by Bus Cook, by Brandon Marshall, and by others, and made a series of poor interpersonal decisions, that the franchise didn't check and were hurt by.



Josh's actions where more or less that of a army private being handed a gun and being told to that they were now a General in the US army. Having been given that gun, the General then proceed to shoot himself in one foot, then the other, and then finally in the head.

Is it his own damn fault? Yep. He was in over his head and rather then react rationally to blowing off two of his pinkie tows, he doubled down and did a huge amount of collaterial damage to this organization.

My posts on this are on the record. The second the Goodman's were fired, I freaked. There was a good reason for that freakage.

<b>I honestly believe that if we had gotten Josh McDaniels with Pioli, we would be in the playoffs this year, and Pat Bowlen would be getting rave reviews on ESPN insider.

Josh and any competent empowered GM and we would have been set for years & years. This is why I am so disappointed with Bowlen and he is not going to "get it" going forward just because he fired McD.

What Bowlen did was exactly like what Shanny did with the D for years, instead of finding a way to fix the problem (bad players chosen by Shanny) he fired the DC year after year. Let's hope Pat figures out the problem is in the structure of the organization and not the promising young coach he hired/fired. We could see a revolving door of HCs if he doesn't.

TonyR
12-31-2010, 01:50 PM
...by Brandon Marshall...

I don't think you'll find many people who think the Broncos didn't get extremely good value in trading Brandon Marshall for two 2nd round picks. Avoiding that huge contract alone was a big win.

maven
12-31-2010, 03:37 PM
Bah, misleading title, I thought it'd be a new interview. What a gyp!

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TomServo
01-01-2011, 02:58 AM
i have no idea where all this "J McD will be a good coach somewhere" comes from. if you want a league worst D and an offense that leads the league in yards BUT NOT points J mcDs is your man.
if you like passing yards in garbage time j McD is your man. if you want a coach that plays your chump qb while you are 40 points behind instead of playing the qb you spent 3 draft picks to get..... J McD is your man

strafen
01-01-2011, 03:43 AM
i have no idea where all this "J McD will be a good coach somewhere" comes from. if you want a league worst D and an offense that leads the league in yards BUT NOT points J mcDs is your man.
if you like passing yards in garbage time j McD is your man. if you want a coach that plays your chump qb while you are 40 points behind instead of playing the qb you spent 3 draft picks to get..... J McD is your man...^5:strong:

tsiguy96
01-01-2011, 07:18 AM
i have no idea where all this "J McD will be a good coach somewhere" comes from. if you want a league worst D and an offense that leads the league in yards BUT NOT points J mcDs is your man.
if you like passing yards in garbage time j McD is your man. if you want a coach that plays your chump qb while you are 40 points behind instead of playing the qb you spent 3 draft picks to get..... J McD is your man

LOL

sorry, ill stick with the reports from basically every NFL writer with connections out there that says he is the top OC on the market this year. tell me again, what does being OC have to do with defense?

Hulamau
01-01-2011, 07:32 AM
I've always felt he wasn't forthright in all his answers. Too vague at times, and left a lot of his answers up for interpretation.
Too secretative for me to figure him out. He never realized that he wasn't just holding back clear answers to the media; we the fans wanted to know more too...

Funny you say that, Josh was the paragon of open and forthcoming sharing of what was on his mind compared to Shanny who only spoke in platitudes for the most part. If anything Josh was too revealing in his pressers.

tsiguy96
01-01-2011, 07:35 AM
Funny you say that, Josh was the paragon of open and forthcoming sharing of what was on his mind compared to Shanny who only spoke in platitudes for the most part. If anything Josh was too revealing in his pressers.

100%.
andrew mason commented hte other day that mcdaniels press conferences were the anti-HC pressers. he spoke long and at detail about many things, where even the current HC is short and to the point with everything.

baja
01-01-2011, 09:26 AM
Has there ever been a case where a HC was fired and after a few years rehired by the same team for a second go around?

Dr. Broncenstein
01-01-2011, 09:31 AM
Has there ever been a case where a HC was fired and after a few years rehired by the same team for a second go around?

Art Shell comes to mind.

Likwid Kerruj
01-01-2011, 09:32 AM
Has there ever been a case where a HC was fired and after a few years rehired by the same team for a second go around?

Art Shell

TonyR
01-01-2011, 09:52 AM
i have no idea where all this "J McD will be a good coach somewhere" comes from. if you want a league worst D and an offense that leads the league in yards BUT NOT points J mcDs is your man.
if you like passing yards in garbage time j McD is your man. if you want a coach that plays your chump qb while you are 40 points behind instead of playing the qb you spent 3 draft picks to get..... J McD is your man

You should read the article linked below.

Just some 24 months ago, New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Dallas offensive coordinator Jason Garrett were the hottest coaching candidates in the league. Jim Mora was the bright shining star headed to his hometown in Seattle, as he settled into a job he was promised when Mike Holmgren eventually left. Now, McDaniels is out of work, Garrett is barely holding on to his interim job and Mora is my partner at the NFL Network.

...

The same can be said about McDaniels. He can make the quarterback play at a level beyond description, and proved that in Denver with Kyle Orton. Why would he not be hot again? I could understand a team not wanting to give him complete control, but why not bring him on as a coach without front office responsibilities? Really, his star has not fallen that far.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d4e7b3/article/teams-should-give-some-fired-coaches-a-second-chance?module=HP_cp2

HAT
01-01-2011, 10:54 AM
Has there ever been a case where a HC was fired and after a few years rehired by the same team for a second go around?

I would love for McD to come back in a few years but it won't happen. Shell was a life long Raider so you can see why that happened. McD will go OC for a couple of years and be the Pat's next HC when Belichik/Brady retire.

bowtown
01-01-2011, 11:21 AM
I would love for McD to come back in a few years but it won't happen. Shell was a life long Raider so you can see why that happened. McD will go OC for a couple of years and be the Pat's next HC when Belichik/Brady retire.

That's going to be hard with Urban Meyer coming out of retirement to take that job.

baja
01-01-2011, 11:28 AM
You should read the article linked below.

Just some 24 months ago, New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Dallas offensive coordinator Jason Garrett were the hottest coaching candidates in the league. Jim Mora was the bright shining star headed to his hometown in Seattle, as he settled into a job he was promised when Mike Holmgren eventually left. Now, McDaniels is out of work, Garrett is barely holding on to his interim job and Mora is my partner at the NFL Network.

...

The same can be said about McDaniels. He can make the quarterback play at a level beyond description, and proved that in Denver with Kyle Orton. Why would he not be hot again? I could understand a team not wanting to give him complete control,<b> but why not bring him on as a coach without front office responsibilities?</b> Really, his star has not fallen that far.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d4e7b3/article/teams-should-give-some-fired-coaches-a-second-chance?module=HP_cp2

I think he will go to KC as the HC and they will win the division 8 out of the next 10 years

Cito Pelon
01-01-2011, 11:58 AM
It just seems that on some level Josh has a few screws loose somewhere. Perhaps is just a maturity issue, be the more I think about it, he just seems a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to any kind of social skills.

Actually, I think he was trying to put on a different persona as an HC.

broncocalijohn
01-01-2011, 04:01 PM
I think he will go to KC as the HC and they will win the division 8 out of the next 10 years

They arent firing their head coach now and if they win 8 out of ten, it isnt because of McD but the time and effort on drafting good and getting a great staff in the organization. They had to can many to get to where they are in 2010. If we continued with McD, we might not have won a title or playoff bound for the next 3 to 4 years. Dont give credit to McD as a HC when he failed miserably here. He will get his chance in the future but first he needs to check his ego and realize he might have to take a few steps back to be ready for a future HC job.

*WARHORSE*
01-01-2011, 08:56 PM
Had Bowlen hired Josh as a rookie head coach only and supported him in all the other matters traditionally left to other men Josh may well have been insulated from the exposure that he was not ready for and he could have grown into the the other aspects of the job over time. He could have been groomed into a great head coach right here in Denver with the right leadership. Pat Bowlen failed Josh McDaniels. It was like a talented young computer hacker was given the the lead decision making roll in R&D in a large company because he was a good hacker.

I agree totally.

They put too much authority in his hands. Authority and responsibility go hand in hand. The more you have of one, the more you'll have of the other.

ALL the blame fell on McDaniels, and at such a young age, he was not prepared to coach/thrive/live/make decisions under that pressure.


It makes you second guess yourself.......which leads to insecure decisions and a frail foundation on which to stand.

If he learns from this.....he will one day be a fantastic head coach.

Missouribronc
01-01-2011, 09:35 PM
Denver will regret firing McDaniels.

KipCorrington25
01-01-2011, 09:51 PM
I still don't get why this guy is regarded as such a genius by some on here.

He ran up some bloated passing yards for what, a 9 game stretch?

And what else did he do exactly?

He didn't bring in more talent than left, he wasn't beloved by the fans, coaches couldn't get out of here fast enough.

The guy sucked, he's going to be on "worst all time NFL coaches" lists for years to come.

He cheated, he lied.

He lost, a lot.

Why is this guy going to be so great? Because he rode the New England train for a few years?

I'm not impressed.

My prediction he's a mediocre coordinator for some mediocre team for a while and never does ****.

broncocalijohn
01-01-2011, 11:37 PM
Denver will regret firing McDaniels.

When was he going to turn it around for us? In three years? Four? Instead of being like go_broncos and tell us one liners, go ahead and explain the so called genius on why he should have stayed.

crazyhorse
01-02-2011, 12:38 AM
The way I remember the KC game was that it was over by the time they used Tebow. So as to his effectiveness I cant be sure. However, I think it might have been his 1st TD pass play.

But IMO they threw him in like a backup for a couple plays and really doesn't really make a big arguement for more playing time based off the KC game.

The fact they gave up 4 draft picks to get him makes a much stronger arguement. It also lends reason to be confused why McD wasn't ready to play the guy. He was the only coach ready to give up 4 picks, and he was the only coach ready to pick him where he did. McD was excited on draft day, then it was over. Thats confusing. That, and the big fat contract to Orton.

Missouribronc
01-03-2011, 12:25 PM
When was he going to turn it around for us? In three years? Four? Instead of being like go_broncos and tell us one liners, go ahead and explain the so called genius on why he should have stayed.

No, he generally ****ed up and was going to get fired. I'm just simply stating Denver will regret having to fire him.

Sorry for the confusion my comment caused you.

There's already rumblings out there that both Oakland and Kansas City want him for OC, and maybe HC in Oakland. Remember what Shanahan did to Oakland? Now, I'm not saying he's going to either place, because I don't think he will, but it'd be pretty ****ty to have to watch Kansas City get McDaniels as the OC - in a job he clearly can do, and with much success - and then have to watch KC stomp Denver twice a year for a few years.

Old Dude
01-03-2011, 01:34 PM
What I remember most about the Jets game wasn't Tebow's energy. It was all the mistakes and missed opportunities.

Two dropped interceptions. One by Champ. One by Cox. A killer fumble by Moreno in his first carry in a month. A blown snap by Paxton that cost us a FG. An unfortunate and slightly controversial interference penalty on Reynaldo Hill, that gave the Jets the gift-wrapped go-ahead TD.

We were missing McBath and Goodman. By game's end, we'd also lost Royal and Vickerson.

So many missed opportunities there. But that is what bad teams do.

Taco John
01-03-2011, 01:56 PM
Has there ever been a case where a HC was fired and after a few years rehired by the same team for a second go around?

Joe Gibbs.

Kaylore
01-03-2011, 01:56 PM
The way I remember the KC game was that it was over by the time they used Tebow.
It was two minutes into the second quarter.

Kaylore
01-03-2011, 01:57 PM
Joe Gibbs.

He wasn't fired.