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gobroncos313
12-27-2010, 11:56 AM
From what we've seen on the field and the response from fans and players on the Broncos team if this franchise tries to move forward without Tebow as our QB there will not only be a revolt by fans but by the players as well.

Those of you who want to draft Luck or start Orton next year better realize this sooner than later. Tebow is the future of this franchise.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
12-27-2010, 12:01 PM
i agree with you 100%

vercingetorix
12-27-2010, 12:04 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16946856

Look at the poll in the lower right. 80% are agreeing with you.

snowspot66
12-27-2010, 12:20 PM
The Cutler trade will make it impossible to do anything but go forward with Tebow. Now I'm of a mind that at worst we broke even on that trade but there are plenty that are still pissed about it. You would be carrying around some massive balls to think you could get away with trading another QB not named Orton in this town right now with the way Tebow has played so far.

oubronco
12-27-2010, 12:24 PM
I think i'll wait and see what he does against a good defensive team before I annoint him the next great one

Broncoman13
12-27-2010, 12:30 PM
I truly believe there are a lot of people inside Dove Valley that would rather move on without Tebow. I think they will try to trade him just before the draft.

Jason in LA
12-27-2010, 12:31 PM
He's proved that he can play QB in this league, so I'd be shocked if he wasn't the clear starter once camps starts in the off season. Seeing that he has the team and fan base behind him, like it has been mentioned before, it would be pretty stupid not to move forward with him as the guy. He gets next year to show that he can develop into a legit QB. If the new head coach tries to pull that QB competition crap, he'd be pretty stupid.

The start of Tebow's career couldn't have went any better, but he's a long way from being a winning QB. He's earned next year to prove himself.

Taco John
12-27-2010, 12:32 PM
I truly believe there are a lot of people inside Dove Valley that would rather move on without Tebow. I think they will try to trade him just before the draft.

Good luck to these people. I hope the rail they get run out of town on is a comfortable one.

Likwid Kerruj
12-27-2010, 12:32 PM
McDaniels needs to hurry up and get to his new job.

I want those draft picks back.

Kaylore
12-27-2010, 12:44 PM
I think this last game changed things. Granted, it was one game but the way Tebow lit up the team and fans and made the Broncos relevant again, even eliminated from the playoffs weeks ago, is going to make the bean counters put a hold on anyone trying to trade Tebow. This is an entertainment business and Tebow is what fans, not just Denver fans, want to see. I say throw him out there and give the people what they want while we rebuild

By the time we're rebuilt we'll know definitively one way or the other on Tebow and can move on from there. Even Cowher was impressed with Tebow yesterday.

DivineBronco
12-27-2010, 12:51 PM
unless vince lombardi rises from the grave and is named our head coach they pat will let tebow succeed or fail on the field. He will be the thing that gets people to spend money to come see this team again to trade him before he disproves himself would cripple what little fan goodwill is left

SonOfLe-loLang
12-27-2010, 12:53 PM
As I said before we even drafted him, I'm not positive that he'll be a star, but im not betting against him. The guy has "it," whatever that is.

outdoor_miner
12-27-2010, 12:58 PM
I truly believe there are a lot of people inside Dove Valley that would rather move on without Tebow. I think they will try to trade him just before the draft.

After yesterday - I can't imagine the FO having the balls to do that.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-27-2010, 12:58 PM
Heard Schefter's weekly segment on the pregame yesterday, he had 2 items on the Broncos:

1. They've completed the buyout with Josh and both sides have parted ways amicably

2. The new regime will not be under any mandate from Bowlen with regards to the QB position, it could be Orton, Tebow, or someone else next season.

TDmvp
12-27-2010, 12:58 PM
I truly believe there are a lot of people inside Dove Valley that would rather move on without Tebow. I think they will try to trade him just before the draft.

And you base this on what ?

Likwid Kerruj
12-27-2010, 01:02 PM
So when does Bowlen say, "Tebow is the guy in Denver?"

LOL

Kaylore
12-27-2010, 01:14 PM
Heard Schefter's weekly segment on the pregame yesterday, he had 2 items on the Broncos:

1. They've completed the buyout with Josh and both sides have parted ways amicably

2. The new regime will not be under any mandate from Bowlen with regards to the QB position, it could be Orton, Tebow, or someone else next season.

I'd hate to be the coach that comes in and ships Tebow out of town. I think the fallout would be even bigger than Cutler getting traded....

Hamrob
12-27-2010, 01:16 PM
I think i'll wait and see what he does against a good defensive team before I annoint him the next great oneI think you'll have to observe more than that. Here's John Elways' stats:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm

As you can see from the greatest QB ever...stats aren't the only thing that count. The team has to believe in you. The Denver Broncos believed in John Elway. They played hard for him and it showed. He took 3 teams to the Superbowl that simply didn't belong there. Mainly, because he gave it everything he had on the field...and guys see that...and try to play to his level.

To me...that's what Tebow has. He elevates a team. You can see him energize his teammates. He plays hard and wants to do well on every play. They want to be part of that...and it shows.

We need to give Tebow a full offseason to prepare and then see what he can do in his 1st full year. That's how we can tell if he's our QB of the future. There will be several bad throws...like the int yesterday. But, he won't be outplayed and his teammates will love him for it. That's my opinion.

TDmvp
12-27-2010, 01:17 PM
I'd hate to be the coach that comes in and ships Tebow out of town. I think the fallout would be even bigger than Cutler getting traded....



If we ship out another guy who could be a once a decade Qb like Tim could be like we did with Jay the city of Denver should revolt.

montrose
12-27-2010, 01:18 PM
I'd hate to be the coach that comes in and ships Tebow out of town. I think the fallout would be even bigger than Cutler getting traded....

As loved as Tebow is now, McD is hated. All the new regime has to do is infer Tebow was a McD guy and McD failed at everything. I don't think we'll see it, but it wouldn't suprise me. All they have to do is leak that Tebow can't play and McD was an idiot to take him, and our moronic fan base (lets be honest here) will go along with it and support whoever the new QB is because it's not McDs guy.

vercingetorix
12-27-2010, 01:19 PM
I'd hate to be the coach that comes in and ships Tebow out of town. I think the fallout would be even bigger than Cutler getting traded....

Yeah, if they think the reaction of the fanbase cant land on them like a ton of bricks, all they need to do is look back two months. Someone who thinks they know better than the fans better be right, otherwise it could get ugly for them in a very short period of time.

elsid13
12-27-2010, 01:24 PM
If we ship out another guy who could be a once a decade Qb like Tim could be like we did with Jay the city of Denver should revolt.

I'm pretty sure if Elway calls a press conference at Dove Valley stating that he like Tebow, but that new system doesn't fit he strengths and the team has traded him for number of picks, that most will grumble a little but trust Elway enough not to stay home from games.

Smiling Assassin27
12-27-2010, 01:28 PM
If we ship out another guy who could be a once a decade Qb like Tim could be like we did with Jay the city of Denver should revolt.

I will send Mr. Bowlen a polite but firm letter explaining that he will be paying me my $49.99 + Tax times 3 for the jerseys that would become obsolete upon trade.

He will then likely jack up my season tix by that amount. Bastidge.

TDmvp
12-27-2010, 01:29 PM
I will send Mr. Bowlen a polite but firm letter explaining that he will be paying me my $49.99 + Tax times 3 for the jerseys that would become obsolete upon trade.

He will then likely jack up my season tix by that amount. Bastidge.

Hilarious!

broncocalijohn
12-27-2010, 01:38 PM
From what we've seen on the field and the response from fans and players on the Broncos team if this franchise tries to move forward without Tebow as our QB there will not only be a revolt by fans but by the players as well.

Those of you who want to draft Luck or start Orton next year better realize this sooner than later. Tebow is the future of this franchise.

thanks for the threat! LOL!

epicSocialism4tw
12-27-2010, 01:40 PM
After seeing his improvement over the span of two games, I have absolutely zero doubt in Tim Tebow.

I know his mindset, which is rare among people in any profession. The guy literally wants to please his bosses. He wants his coach to succeed. He's not just casual about it, but he thinks about it as he goes about his work. He'll work over the summer on what his coach asks him to, and he'll show up next year having done what his coach asked him to do. Guys like this are rare.


He'll pray for his coach. For the fans. For Bowlen. For Orton and the rest of his teammates. And when he shows up to the practice field, he'll feel a sense of commitment to them that causes him to fight on their behalf.

I know many missionary kids and many missionaries. I know how awesome they are as people. You guys are getting to see one of them up close in Tebow. He'll succeed because his focus will be on success, and he'll make it look easy. He feels like this is his calling in life, and you can see it in the joy that he has in preparing for the games and then playing on Sundays.

This is a special player folks. He'll fight for every inch from August to July. He has the midset of the all-time greats.

Just look at what he's done already.

His first offensive series? He closes out a preseason game by driving the Broncos down the field and scoring a TD. He knocked one guy out cold and injured another guy getting across the goal line.

First regular season touch? TD.

First regular season start? Sets a Broncos rookie rushing record.

Second regular season start? Throws for over 300 yards and leads the Broncos storming back from down 17 to win late in the fourth quarter. Mile High Magic returns.

Tebow ain't going anywhere folks. Bowlen, Ellis, and Elway all saw what happened last Sunday. That magic hasnt been in Denver since 1998.

Smiling Assassin27
12-27-2010, 01:49 PM
First regular season touch? TD.



I'd check that.

snowspot66
12-27-2010, 01:49 PM
I'd hate to be the coach that comes in and ships Tebow out of town. I think the fallout would be even bigger than Cutler getting traded....

That would be a great way to sink your career in a day. Cutler was a whiny little bitch during that whole ordeal. Tebow is always nothing but class. I think people would show up at Dove Valley with torches and pitchforks.

Cito Pelon
12-27-2010, 01:51 PM
Tebow has "winner" written all over him. There would have to be a black hole sucking every bit of intelligence and acumen out of Dove Valley to jettison Tebow.

Taco John
12-27-2010, 02:05 PM
I think this last game changed things. Granted, it was one game but the way Tebow lit up the team and fans and made the Broncos relevant again, even eliminated from the playoffs weeks ago, is going to make the bean counters put a hold on anyone trying to trade Tebow. This is an entertainment business and Tebow is what fans, not just Denver fans, want to see. I say throw him out there and give the people what they want while we rebuild

By the time we're rebuilt we'll know definitively one way or the other on Tebow and can move on from there. Even Cowher was impressed with Tebow yesterday.


We have nothing to lose by rolling with Tebow, and everything to gain.

Old Dude
12-27-2010, 02:11 PM
Until the first time he throws 3 INTs in a game, at which time half the people here will want to crucify him.

Mothers, don't let your sons grow up to be QBs.

Smiling Assassin27
12-27-2010, 02:13 PM
Until the first time he throws 3 INTs in a game, at which time half the people here will want to crucify him.

Mothers, don't let your sons grow up to be QBs.


I remember vividly ticked off Bronco fans calling for Weese to replace Morton and Kubiak to replace Elway. It's the nature of the beast.

Gort
12-27-2010, 02:14 PM
Good luck to these people. I hope the rail they get run out of town on is a comfortable one.

i really don't get the Tebow hate. i know some people hate Jesus and the fact that Tebow is open about his Christianity rubs them wrong, but among the Broncos fanbase, i don't understand how anyone can hate Tebow.

here are some facts.

- Luck is not a senior. he is a redshirt sophomore IIRC, so the odds of him coming out in this draft are very, very low.
- Tebow was a 1st round pick getting paid 1st round money.
- It's doubtful there will be a 2011 season.
- Tebow has been the ideal rookie in camp. works hard. doesn't get into fights at clubs, or DUIs, or hasn't raped anyone in their sleep. You never have to worry about Tebow being anything other than the poster boy for this franchise. He's the kind of guy who will be doing those ads for milk in a couple of years.

i don't understand why anyone in Dove Valley would want to get rid of him.

so i agree with you, anyone who would try to run Tebow out of town would get run out of town instead barely ahead of an angry mob chasing them with torches and pitchforks.

epicSocialism4tw
12-27-2010, 02:17 PM
Until the first time he throws 3 INTs in a game, at which time half the people here will want to crucify him.

Mothers, don't let your sons grow up to be QBs.

Its funny, because thats about what most people expected him to do.

Nobody expected him to come out and dominate the second half of an NFL game and lead his team back from 17-0 to win. Or to throw for 300+ yards. Well, at least no sane person expected that.

People are taking to this kid like they did to Elway. People pull for him, and he rewards them with his effort. The people, Broncos fans, will love him. The media on the other hand...is a different story.

Mile High Shack
12-27-2010, 02:17 PM
I seriously doubt anyone wants to get rid of him in the front office

Gort
12-27-2010, 02:18 PM
I remember vividly ticked off Bronco fans calling for Weese to replace Morton and Kubiak to replace Elway. It's the nature of the beast.

yeah, but at some point you learn to tune out stupid people. stupid people (alot of them call sports radio shows) tend to say stupid things.

it's when the smart people start demanding a change that you need to listen. that's what happened with Orton. it became clear that Orton did not provide the best chance at victory. coupled with his injury and McD's firing, and you have a perfect storm that allows you to bench the vet and let the rookie show what he could do.

jhns
12-27-2010, 02:19 PM
Tebow is the future right now. I highly doubt Bowlen let's another young QB that has shown promise walk. I am just glad McDaniels wasn't smart enough to play him. He would probably still be here if he had.

Taco John
12-27-2010, 02:25 PM
As loved as Tebow is now, McD is hated. All the new regime has to do is infer Tebow was a McD guy and McD failed at everything. I don't think we'll see it, but it wouldn't suprise me. All they have to do is leak that Tebow can't play and McD was an idiot to take him, and our moronic fan base (lets be honest here) will go along with it and support whoever the new QB is because it's not McDs guy.

I don't buy that at all. Nor do I buy that our fan base is moronic. It was not moronic of the fan base to abandon Josh McDaniels. Not in the least. Don't pin the fanbase for the moronic moves of the front office. It's not our fault that they brought a boy in to do a man's job.

I've serviced this fan base for 10 years with this forum, and I can tell you that our fan base is not moronic. We have some of the most educated fans in the sport who care about this team with all their heart and soul.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-27-2010, 02:31 PM
Until the first time he throws 3 INTs in a game, at which time half the people here will want to crucify him.

Mothers, don't let your sons grow up to be QBs.

People were booing before halftime.

God I hate the fans in the stands now.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-27-2010, 02:33 PM
I don't buy that at all. Nor do I buy that our fan base is moronic. It was not moronic of the fan base to abandon Josh McDaniels. Not in the least. Don't pin the fanbase for the moronic moves of the front office. It's not our fault that they brought a boy in to do a man's job.

I've serviced this fan base for 10 years with this forum, and I can tell you that our fan base is not moronic. We have some of the most educated fans in the sport who care about this team with all their heart and soul.

Go watch a game in the nosebleeds.

****ing idiots.

Every game, whether it's Orton or Tebow or Cutler or whoever, they're signalling for quiet and the idiots just get louder.

The football IQ in Invesco is terrible.

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 02:36 PM
Go watch a game in the nosebleeds.

****ing idiots.

Every game, whether it's Orton or Tebow or Cutler or whoever, they're signalling for quiet and the idiots just get louder.

The football IQ in Invesco is terrible.

:notworthy


.........BUT, they're SOOOOO EXCITED!ROFL!

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-27-2010, 02:42 PM
From what we've seen on the field and the response from fans and players on the Broncos team if this franchise tries to move forward without Tebow as our QB there will not only be a revolt by fans but by the players as well.

Those of you who want to draft Luck or start Orton next year better realize this sooner than later. Tebow is the future of this franchise.

You say that he's the second coming. I'd like to take some time to really evaluate him to see if he's truely the Qb of the future. Look I don't want to have to spend a 1st round pick on a QB because if we choose wrong its 3 years down the drain.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-27-2010, 03:12 PM
The national conversation re: the last game has actually be surprising to me. At best, you hear "ok, i guess he should get a shot." I wonder what they would say if Bradford had the exact same game in his second start. I have a feeling the conversation would be different.

People dont like being wrong.

Greatspirits
12-27-2010, 03:13 PM
Your smart!

Missouribronc
12-27-2010, 03:15 PM
Your smart!

You're.

zdoor
12-27-2010, 03:16 PM
Agree Completely. I liked Adam Schein and Rich Gannon this AM on NFL Radio:

Paraphrasing "where are McShay and all the other prognosticator's who said Tebow couldn't play at this level today??? Pretty quiet from these guy's this AM... I think he is going to be a star in the league"

I would echo again, I haven't had that much fun watching the Bronco's in a long damn time. And, that was the first time in forever that I can remember thinking during a late drive in the game, "we're going to score".

orangenblue
12-27-2010, 03:34 PM
And, that was the first time in forever that I can remember thinking during a late drive in the game, "we're going to score".

I was thinking the same thing.

vercingetorix
12-27-2010, 04:00 PM
Agree Completely. I liked Adam Schein and Rich Gannon this AM on NFL Radio:

Paraphrasing "where are McShay and all the other prognosticator's who said Tebow couldn't play at this level today??? Pretty quiet from these guy's this AM... I think he is going to be a star in the league"

I would echo again, I haven't had that much fun watching the Bronco's in a long damn time. And, that was the first time in forever that I can remember thinking during a late drive in the game, "we're going to score".

Are you kidding? Not only did I have a feeling that we would score, I actually had a feeling the defense was going to get a stop somehow.

Zoobie
12-27-2010, 05:02 PM
I honestly don't get how you could ship out a 1st round QB who has played the way Tebow has. When was the last time a first round player, drafted to be the franchise QB, was traded within the first year? Cutler is the last Quarterback that I can recall who had shown so much promise, and had ever even asked for a trade, let alone was granted that wish. There are so many QBs who have been given so many chances, especially with a long tenure in one organization, how would we justify trading Tim? The only reason the National Media won't show their erections for the kid is because they don't want to admit how wrong they were. Like many have said, the mediaites(I know that's not a word) are falling all over each other to suck Sam Bradford's dick because they said he'd be good coming out of college, and he was the surefire 1st overall pick in the draft. If he would have **** the bed all season long, they would still be swinging from his nuts, because they could still use the excuse "it's just his rookie year"(which is a legit excuse, if you're not just trying to cover your ass). The haters have made their perception known, and the minute Tebow has a bad game they will have 15 articles per hour flogging Tebow for his flawed mechanics, beating their chest as they ramble about how they told you he was not going to amount to anything.

Personally, I am very pleased with what i've seen so far, he can make every NFL throw, of which i'm most impressed by the deep comebacks and deep outs he has completed. He is a marketing wet dream, and even in the event that down the road he was a mediocre QB, he will put butts in seats until then. He is gutsy and has shown determination, and most of all he has a very short memory. He does not become hesitant after he throws a pick, takes a sack, or tosses a pass into the dirt. Instead, he goes right back to the huddle, rallies the troops, and gets back to work. He has far exceeded all my expectations not only with the comeback win, but simply by scoring. Look around the NFL at rookie QBs who couldn't pay their way into the Touchdown column. One way or another, Tim Tebow will find a way to score. Even if he comes out next sunday against a great SD defense and lays an egg, gets thrown around like a little girl, tosses interceptions, fumbles the ball, i'm still of the belief that he is the future of the franchise. He's young, still has a long way to go, and we can't expect that he won't have days of complete and utter failure. Failure not only in the W-L sense, but in that he will look like a rookie, and perhaps a bad one at that, it will be a part of the process that the media and fans alike will over react for. I for one cannot explain how nice it is to watch the Broncos every sunday, win or lose, and just be excited to see what this young man is capable of doing.

Jetmeck
12-27-2010, 06:29 PM
Are you kidding? Not only did I have a feeling that we would score, I actually had a feeling the defense was going to get a stop somehow.

Agree about scoring but that defense got lucky period..............

oubronco
12-27-2010, 06:36 PM
Agree about scoring but that defense got lucky period..............

Don't you know that Dawkins jumped threw his head the exact right way and made it deflect right to Syd at the proper angle so he would get the pick

I mean Tebow made it go down like that

Tim
12-27-2010, 06:41 PM
If bowlen lets some new coach come in and name another qb the starter he is dumb.

broncswin
12-27-2010, 06:55 PM
As loved as Tebow is now, McD is hated. All the new regime has to do is infer Tebow was a McD guy and McD failed at everything. I don't think we'll see it, but it wouldn't suprise me. All they have to do is leak that Tebow can't play and McD was an idiot to take him, and our moronic fan base (lets be honest here) will go along with it and support whoever the new QB is because it's not McDs guy.



I think the majority of the media has been leaking this since his days as a gator...doesn't seem to bother even the moronic fans as of yet:approve:

Garcia Bronco
12-27-2010, 07:11 PM
As loved as Tebow is now, McD is hated. All the new regime has to do is infer Tebow was a McD guy and McD failed at everything. I don't think we'll see it, but it wouldn't suprise me. All they have to do is leak that Tebow can't play and McD was an idiot to take him, and our moronic fan base (lets be honest here) will go along with it and support whoever the new QB is because it's not McDs guy.

infer..that's nonsense. People aren't retarded.

Hamrob
12-27-2010, 07:12 PM
Agree Completely. I liked Adam Schein and Rich Gannon this AM on NFL Radio:

Paraphrasing "where are McShay and all the other prognosticator's who said Tebow couldn't play at this level today??? Pretty quiet from these guy's this AM... I think he is going to be a star in the league"

I would echo again, I haven't had that much fun watching the Bronco's in a long damn time. And, that was the first time in forever that I can remember thinking during a late drive in the game, "we're going to score".Me too...I'm on the bandwagon as far as the wheels will take us.

Having said that...Let's not lose perspective...Tebow looked good throwing the ball...maybe not great...he's not a pocket QB and won't be for quite some time...but, he got the job done and it was exciting to watch...but, but, but...it was against the worst defense in the NFL. Now...here come the Chuggers. The Chuggers don't have anything left to play for...except pride...and they have the league's #1 defense (1st against the pass, 2nd against the run).

Tebow's big test...will be against one of the best defensive clubs in the NFL...the Chuggers. If he looks good in that game...well then...we just might have something!

Garcia Bronco
12-27-2010, 07:16 PM
Are you kidding? Not only did I have a feeling that we would score, I actually had a feeling the defense was going to get a stop somehow.

Me too. I knew the defense was going to get a stop.

KipCorrington25
12-27-2010, 09:07 PM
There is no way they hire a coach who isn't Tebow friendly.

TheReverend
12-27-2010, 09:08 PM
As loved as Tebow is now, McD is hated. All the new regime has to do is infer Tebow was a McD guy and McD failed at everything. I don't think we'll see it, but it wouldn't suprise me. All they have to do is leak that Tebow can't play and McD was an idiot to take him, and our moronic fan base (lets be honest here) will go along with it and support whoever the new QB is because it's not McDs guy.

Are you calling them a 6 or is moronic even lower?

NFLBRONCO
12-27-2010, 09:45 PM
I can understand the excitement about Tebow but, to already say he's the answer its way too soon. He played a D like ours struggling. I still need to see his play against the elite teams and win home and on the road. I do expect a hire that will agree to work with Tebow though but, overall I don't think smart to limit your HC pool in the process take the best HC you can.

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2010, 09:58 PM
I can understand the excitement about Tebow but, to already say he's the answer its way too soon. He played a D like ours struggling. I still need to see his play against the elite teams and win home and on the road. I do expect a hire that will agree to work with Tebow though but, overall I don't think smart to limit your HC pool in the process take the best HC you can.

The question you should be asking yourself is do you think Orton would have done better? This Broncos team has a bad defense, a lousy running game and suspect special teams. If Orton was the QB against Houston and the team got behind, do you think for one minute the team would have come back and won the game? I don't. If Orton was playing the team would have been down by 17 and then lost the game.

yerner
12-27-2010, 10:03 PM
Didn't Bradlee Van Pelt win a game too? Actually, he probably didn't. You dudes are on Tebows knob. It's one game. Quarterback was never the problem with the broncos this year.

NFLBRONCO
12-27-2010, 10:03 PM
The question you should be asking yourself is do you think Orton would have done better? This Broncos team has a bad defense, a lousy running game and suspect special teams. If Orton was the QB against Houston and the team got behind, do you think for one minute the team would have come back and won the game? I don't. If Orton was playing the team would have been down by 17 and then lost the game.

I agree he's better then Orton but, to say he's a longterm answer already is too soon. Its a nice start though no doubt but, I just need to see him against better teams before I say he's the answer. I hope he is for our sake in the long run.

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2010, 10:09 PM
Didn't Bradlee Van Pelt win a game too? Actually, he probably didn't. You dudes are on Tebows knob. It's one game. Quarterback was never the problem with the broncos this year.

Tebow's first two games have been very good. The team is 1-1 in his first two starts.

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2010, 10:15 PM
I agree he's better then Orton but, to say he's a longterm answer already is too soon. Its a nice start though no doubt but, I just need to see him against better teams before I say he's the answer. I hope he is for our sake in the long run.

I think what people are saying is there's raw material to work with when it comes to Tebow as a starting NFL QB. In other words, there's no reason to spend a high round draft pick on another rookie QB, at least not this coming draft. There's still many questions about Tebow but there is now some film on him in real games and he's proven he has real potential.

I'd rather draft defensive talent and keep Tebow than draft another rookie QB with the first pick. I'd prefer the Broncos trade down and pick BPA on defense.

footstepsfrom#27
12-27-2010, 10:21 PM
As loved as Tebow is now, McD is hated. All the new regime has to do is infer Tebow was a McD guy and McD failed at everything. I don't think we'll see it, but it wouldn't suprise me. All they have to do is leak that Tebow can't play and McD was an idiot to take him, and our moronic fan base (lets be honest here) will go along with it and support whoever the new QB is because it's not McDs guy.
Come on Montrose...maybe you have a point if we hadn't seen him on the field yet but do you really think in the wake of what we've now seen from Tim Tebow that some coach whose not even been here with him could tell us what we saw with our eyes was bogus? I hardly think that's possible no matter how many idiots we have in this fan base. People know what they want based on what they've seen, and Tebow is riding a wave of popularity right now that's tsumani-like...I think Bowlen will want to capitalize on that rather than dumping a guy everyone is excited about. Factor in Elway being here and he likes Tebow...I can't see him going anywhere else.

broncocalijohn
12-27-2010, 10:21 PM
Didn't Bradlee Van Pelt win a game too? Actually, he probably didn't. You dudes are on Tebows knob. It's one game. Quarterback was never the problem with the broncos this year.

It was the least of our problems but if you have a possible upgrade to a minor problem, wouldnt you exploit it? Sure, 2 games isnt too much but what we have seen is very positive. We actually got points and not just yards. That equates to wins not only in fantasy football but the NFL where it matters.

schaaf
12-27-2010, 10:25 PM
My favorite thing about watching Tebow lead this team instead of Orton is when Tebow throws a pick you can tell that it torques him off that he let himself fail the team. You can almost Guarantee that he won't make the same mistake any time soon. When Orton throws a pick his head drops and he walks off the field sits on the bench and puts a hat on. When he throws one there is almost sure to come another because he does not rise to the occasion

Taco John
12-27-2010, 10:27 PM
I agree he's better then Orton but, to say he's a longterm answer already is too soon. Its a nice start though no doubt but, I just need to see him against better teams before I say he's the answer. I hope he is for our sake in the long run.

Long term, maybe not.

Answer for the next three years? Absolutely.

Broncos4Life
12-27-2010, 10:40 PM
From what we've seen on the field and the response from fans and players on the Broncos team if this franchise tries to move forward without Tebow as our QB there will not only be a revolt by fans but by the players as well.

Those of you who want to draft Luck or start Orton next year better realize this sooner than later. Tebow is the future of this franchise.

Good post. Thats pretty much how I was putting it just over a week ago.
No way does Bowlen just hire a coach that isn't interested in coaching Tebow. In fact I don't think many guys would even think of taking the job just to trade Tim and draft another QB in the 1st round. Can you imagine the revolt if that happened? Not only is Tim an investment to the Broncos because of his 1st round draft status, alot of people shelled out plenty of cash to wear his jersey. And it wasn't like they all blindly did it. A lot of us think he is talented, and can make an impact. And just from listening to the vets on the team talk about him, it seem he can have an impact on the team, not just on the offense.
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I haven't bought a Tebow jersey yet, but I'm going to. And just for Atwater His Ass, Bowlen better give a **** if I and everyone else bought a Tebow jersey, or he's gonna lose a lot of the fan base and our money. At the critical juncture that is upon the NFL especially, I don't think its something he would screw up.

montrose
12-28-2010, 06:15 PM
Come on Montrose...maybe you have a point if we hadn't seen him on the field yet but do you really think in the wake of what we've now seen from Tim Tebow that some coach whose not even been here with him could tell us what we saw with our eyes was bogus? I hardly think that's possible no matter how many idiots we have in this fan base. People know what they want based on what they've seen, and Tebow is riding a wave of popularity right now that's tsumani-like...I think Bowlen will want to capitalize on that rather than dumping a guy everyone is excited about. Factor in Elway being here and he likes Tebow...I can't see him going anywhere else.

I don't think he's going anywhere either, but all we have to do is follow the saga of McD's hire until Cutler's trading to see that things can change in a hurry. I hope not, I like Tim.

Jetmeck
12-28-2010, 06:19 PM
Didn't Bradlee Van Pelt win a game too? Actually, he probably didn't. You dudes are on Tebows knob. It's one game. Quarterback was never the problem with the broncos this year.

Really, if Orton just woulda got off the plane in KC we woulda won that one............6 freakin points. Several others games where he is throwin behind, over and bouncing em off the turf.

All year long when we got behind he moped off the field. He is no leader or motivator at all.............

elsid13
12-28-2010, 06:36 PM
The threads remind me a lot of thread that Mike Bell got when he had great game. There is far to much fan emotion being projected here on how great Tebow is going to be.

eddie mac
12-28-2010, 06:38 PM
I truly believe there are a lot of people inside Dove Valley that would rather move on without Tebow. I think they will try to trade him just before the draft.

Those people are a major part of the reason why we are 4-11 and need to take a long brisk walk.

mhgaffney
12-28-2010, 06:41 PM
Why trade Tebow?

What do we gain?

Carolina has a lock on Luck if he comes out.

cabronco
12-28-2010, 06:55 PM
It would be nice to think by the time Tebow really gets the QB position down, that we have players to make up a top notch defense. That would be truly good times again for Broncos fans.

snowspot66
12-28-2010, 07:09 PM
The threads remind me a lot of thread that Mike Bell got when he had great game. There is far to much fan emotion being projected here on how great Tebow is going to be.

Mike Bell was not a first round pick or the greatest anything in college.

maven
12-28-2010, 07:09 PM
From what we've seen on the field and the response from fans and players on the Broncos team if this franchise tries to move forward without Tebow as our QB there will not only be a revolt by fans but by the players as well.

Those of you who want to draft Luck or start Orton next year better realize this sooner than later. Tebow is the future of this franchise.

I actually there are fans like me, who aren't that sure about Tebow's future. And if he was shipped out in the offseason I wouldn't shed a tear.

Que
12-28-2010, 07:56 PM
I actually there are fans like me, who aren't that sure about Tebow's future. And if he was shipped out in the offseason I wouldn't shed a tear.

Say "hi" to the other one for me.

Seriously, if Tebow does a good job against the Chuggers even I would take a flame thrower to Dove Valley if the went a different direction. Figuratively speaking that is... And I like Orton.

schaaf
12-28-2010, 08:13 PM
Tebow has had two fantastic starts to start off a career, better starts for a rookie than any that I can remember.

Now I am not saying because of those two games he is our "Franchise" quarterback. Tebow has come out and brought some life into the team. Who has the right to tell arguably the best quarterback in college football history that he will not succeed in the NFL. Can he throw it the farthest? No. Can he make every pass with pinpoint accuracy? No. Can Tebow lead teams to victory? yes, like nobody has ever seen. Can Tebow elevate the play of his teammates? yes.

All you hear about him is what he can't do.

You need to hear more of what he can do and has done. And that could very well become the broncos quarterback for the next 10+ years.

maven
12-28-2010, 08:18 PM
Say "hi" to the other one for me.


I'm sure there's more than 2. Smallest crowd since how many years? It's not like fans in the Denver metro area were tripping over each other trying to get into the game to watch Tebow's 1st start at home.

TDmvp
12-28-2010, 08:21 PM
I'm sure there's more than 2. Smallest crowd since how many years? It's not like fans in the Denver metro area were tripping over each other trying to get into the game to watch Tebow's 1st start at home.

You do realize it was a holiday weekend , and about 2000 flights was canceled over the weekend ... People was snowed in all over the country and out of town for Xmas...

So lets keep things in prospective.

maven
12-28-2010, 08:22 PM
You do realize it was a holiday weekend , and about 2000 flights was canceled over the weekend ... People was snowed in all over the country and out of town for Xmas...

So lets keep things in prospective.

I hope there are more fans at the next game.

TDmvp
12-28-2010, 08:23 PM
I hope there are more fans at the next game.

I as well .
I doubt there will be tons more , but I'm really thinking a lot of variables went into last weeks low numbers.

Rigs11
12-28-2010, 09:07 PM
Broncos fans so want to replace elway that as soon a rookie wins one game against one the worst defenses in the league, they annoint their savior.Slow down people.

HAT
12-28-2010, 09:22 PM
I don't buy that at all. Nor do I buy that our fan base is moronic. It was not moronic of the fan base to abandon Josh McDaniels. Not in the least. Don't pin the fanbase for the moronic moves of the front office. It's not our fault that they brought a boy in to do a man's job.

I've serviced this fan base for 10 years with this forum, and I can tell you that our fan base is not moronic. We have some of the most educated fans in the sport who care about this team with all their heart and soul.

I'd rate us a 6.

montrose
12-28-2010, 10:03 PM
I don't buy that at all. Nor do I buy that our fan base is moronic. It was not moronic of the fan base to abandon Josh McDaniels. Not in the least. Don't pin the fanbase for the moronic moves of the front office. It's not our fault that they brought a boy in to do a man's job.

I've serviced this fan base for 10 years with this forum, and I can tell you that our fan base is not moronic. We have some of the most educated fans in the sport who care about this team with all their heart and soul.

The fans who post on this (or any other board) are the upper 5% of fans when it comes to knowledge and passion. You can't use this group as your main survey point. I'd say most casual fanbases, not just the Broncos, are moronic when it comes to football.

Hamrob
12-28-2010, 11:15 PM
It's amazing to me...the crap that people say about Tebow.

The kid was only the best college football player ever to play the game. And in doing so, he was also one of the most proficient passers as well.

Does he have work to do? Yes. Does he have a strong arm? Yes. Can he make plays that most QB's will never make? Yes.

So, why do so many people doubt him? And, why does Xanders not commit to him?

Will Elway commit to him?

Tim Tebow is exactly what the Denver Broncos and the Rocky Mountains need!!!

schaaf
12-29-2010, 12:35 AM
I completely agree Hamrob, and Rigs11 we are not trying to replace Elway. But we do see a quarterback that could very well become an amazing player for us. He did beat one of the worst defensive secondaries in the nfl. this is obvious. But he led his team back from being down by 17. There is no doubt in my mind that if orton would have been playing he would not have been able to make that comeback.

I will also say that there are VERY few quarterbacks in this league who would be able to lead this team back from 17 in the second half.

Is he the next Elway? I doubt it.
Is he our future? yes.
We might as well have faith in him and hang on for the ride

Chris
12-29-2010, 03:16 AM
Tebow's first pass was for a TD. I'm not sure about the first touch.