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crush17
12-27-2010, 09:18 AM
It is all just so painfully obvious now.

Orton can not, and will never be the leader that Tim Tebow is.
Tebow fires up his teammates and MAKES them play harder.

Orton stands on the sidelines and blows bubbles with his gum. (not sure if any of you saw that clip on the sidelines)

Tebow comes off the field after scoring a touchdown to put us in the lead in the 4th quarter and the entire defense is in his face getting pumped up.

Orton can't win in the 4th under pressure to save his life.

There's a reason Orton's on the bench even after a career year throwing the ball. Its called leadership and performance under pressure. He lacks both and will forever be just an average guy, not a winner.


Now, the next question is: Do you want to see the Broncos come out and WIN vs our hated division rivals and that schmuck Phillip Rivers, or do you want to see the team piss away the last game of the year for "better draft position" like all the idiots on the radio?

I know what I want to see.

TheReverend
12-27-2010, 09:20 AM
Kinda been pushing this since April

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2010, 09:22 AM
Tebow needs to start against Sandy Eggo. This is gonna be a great game to watch because both teams are gonna be playing hard. Orton needs to sit on the bench and collect is paycheck...

MplsBronco
12-27-2010, 09:22 AM
Definitely want the team to come out and win big. We'll still be high in the draft and my feeling is we won't actually pick in that slot anyway. We are trading down.

Mr.Meanie
12-27-2010, 09:25 AM
Now, the next question is: Do you want to see the Broncos come out and WIN vs our hated division rivals and that schmuck Phillip Rivers, or do you want to see the team piss away the last game of the year for "better draft position" like all the idiots on the radio?

I know what I want to see.

I want to see Tebow blow up some LB'ers on the way to a 300yd 4td game, and have us lose it because our Defense can't stop anyone.

It would eliminate whatever insane shred of talk is left about drafting Luck, give us prime real estate in the draft to manuever, and hammer home the point to the new incoming coaching staff that we need to target defensive playmakers early and often in the 2011 draft.

ColoradoDarin
12-27-2010, 09:28 AM
I want to see Tebow blow up some LB'ers on the way to a 300yd 4td game, and have us lose it because our Defense can't stop anyone.

It would eliminate whatever insane shred of talk is left about drafting Luck, give us prime real estate in the draft to manuever, and hammer home the point to the new incoming coaching staff that we need to target defensive playmakers early and often in the 2011 draft.

How about we win 63-60 on a last second Tebow TD? Hey the defense can't stop them and yet we still win. I like that better....

Jay3
12-27-2010, 09:30 AM
I'd rather win and keep a good thing going.

epicSocialism4tw
12-27-2010, 09:50 AM
Dawkins on Tebow:
"He's just going to do everything that he can in his power to keep plays alive if he can, and then to battle until the end," Dawkins said. "That's one of those traits that we've all heard about and we were able to see it first hand."

Jabar Gaffney on Tebow:
You see that guy out there making plays and doing what he can do on every single play," <NOBR>Jabar Gaffney (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/jabar-gaffney/f7dd28b1-7423-40d2-a4f8-f3d5e7567e4e/)</NOBR> said, "and you got to go out there and try to do the same."

Tebow on "what he showed":
"I do not know necessarily what I showed, except I am someone that is going to play until the end and I love this game and I am going to play it with all my heart," Tebow said. "Any time I get the opportunity, I am going to play every second that I get, as hard as I possibly can."

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/A-Winner/a97bc049-495b-4216-ab7b-ff1f939b5186
<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> s_analytics_prop1 = ''A Winner''; s_analytics_prop4 = 'Eric Detweiler'; s_analytics_prop11 = 'a97bc049-495b-4216-ab7b-ff1f939b5186'; s_analytics_prop12 = ''A Winner''; s_analytics_prop13 = 'Eric Detweiler'; $(document).ready(nflcs.gbl.mod.Article.init) </SCRIPT>

Mr.Meanie
12-27-2010, 09:53 AM
I'd rather win and keep a good thing going.

What good thing? If we win we'll be 5-11 and we have a few extra hours of happiness on Sunday afternoon.

I am more interested in getting the extra few spots that will give us serious ammo to move around the draft and basically fill all the holes in this team. If we go from #2 to #8 because we wanted a meaningless win, that could effect this team for years.

I know all the players and coaches want the win, because all of them are fighting for jobs and they know pretty much the only people guaranteed their jobs next year are Clady and Dumerville. The entire coaching staff and defensive/offensive schemes could be blown up, and who knows what will happen?

But as a fan, we have the luxury of having a macro view of everything. We will still be a fan in 10 years no matter what, so we can take the long term view. As fans, we want a championship team, and we are one of the very few franchises blessed to not pick in the top 5 in forever. If they screw that up with a win, well I just think that would be a wasted opportunity.

Taco John
12-27-2010, 09:55 AM
Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.

I think Kubiak was also one of these types of guys. Smart. Efficient. Can go through a progression, and even teach it. These kinds of guys can have a role on your team. I used to get my chops busted for making this argument for Griese, but I think that Orton could play a valuable role on this team. To me, the guy is a champion at heart, with the right personality and he's exactly the kind of guy I want in my locker room playing a behind the scenes leadership/mentorship role. And if he needs to go on the field, he does so at a very high level, knowing the offense and with a team that he's done battle with.

I hope that Kyle will get sat down by Elway/Kubiak some day and talk about what it means to the team to have that kind of a presence on a football team, and what it means personally towards Kyle's own future. Kubiak has enjoyed a long career in the NFL, and if that's what Kyle wants, Denver is the best place that he can get it.

(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! Ha!)

epicSocialism4tw
12-27-2010, 09:57 AM
(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! Ha!)

I noticed that too.

NFLBRONCO
12-27-2010, 09:57 AM
I want to see Tebow win games against elite teams before I think he is the answer. I do like what he brings table intangible wise and work ethic. Yes he is an upgrade over Orton.

rbackfactory80
12-27-2010, 09:58 AM
Kinda been pushing this since April

You're not the only one...

HAT
12-27-2010, 09:59 AM
Orton and Tebow have completely different skill sets, strengths and weaknesses and therefore look like night and day?

Who'da thunk it ???

I'm glad I saw this thread today, lest I wander around thinking Tebow and Orton are carbon copies of each other.

vercingetorix
12-27-2010, 10:00 AM
I want to see Tebow win games against elite teams before I think he is the answer. I do like what he brings table intangible wise and work ethic. Yes he is an upgrade over Orton.

Wow. Unfortunately Tebow doesnt play defense so this is hardly fair.

rbackfactory80
12-27-2010, 10:03 AM
Taco John;3059373]Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.[/B]

I think Kubiak was also one of these types of guys. Smart. Efficient. Can go through a progression, and even teach it. These kinds of guys can have a role on your team. I used to get my chops busted for making this argument for Griese, but I think that Orton could play a valuable role on this team. To me, the guy is a champion at heart, with the right personality and he's exactly the kind of guy I want in my locker room playing a behind the scenes leadership/mentorship role. And if he needs to go on the field, he does so at a very high level, knowing the offense and with a team that he's done battle with.

I hope that Kyle will get sat down by Elway/Kubiak some day and talk about what it means to the team to have that kind of a presence on a football team, and what it means personally towards Kyle's own future. Kubiak has enjoyed a long career in the NFL, and if that's what Kyle wants, Denver is the best place that he can get it.

(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! Ha!)

I don't know about that. What I do know is Tebow has a history of motivating his teammates. What I would have said is the few "special ones" have a way of elevating their teams with pure determination and will. It;s not like they intentionally don't play as hard. It's the Ray Lewis factor. I think he's not on that team and none of those guys play half as well.

Mr.Meanie
12-27-2010, 10:08 AM
Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.

I think Kubiak was also one of these types of guys. Smart. Efficient. Can go through a progression, and even teach it. These kinds of guys can have a role on your team. I used to get my chops busted for making this argument for Griese, but I think that Orton could play a valuable role on this team. To me, the guy is a champion at heart, with the right personality and he's exactly the kind of guy I want in my locker room playing a behind the scenes leadership/mentorship role. And if he needs to go on the field, he does so at a very high level, knowing the offense and with a team that he's done battle with.

I hope that Kyle will get sat down by Elway/Kubiak some day and talk about what it means to the team to have that kind of a presence on a football team, and what it means personally towards Kyle's own future. Kubiak has enjoyed a long career in the NFL, and if that's what Kyle wants, Denver is the best place that he can get it.

(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! Ha!)

I completely agree with you, and I would love that! Tebow's style of running through and over 250lb linebackers is going to take a toll on him, especially in an 18 game season + playoffs. We need a highly skilled backup QB who can take the role of mentor seriously, but who can come in and play at a high enough level to win when Tebow inevitably gets injured. In fact, I think backup QB's are going to end up being higher paid as an unintended side-effect from going to an 18 game + playoff schedule.

I think it all depends on the NFL market for a good, experienced, undazzling QB. We will see this offseason I guess.

Taco John
12-27-2010, 10:14 AM
Wow. Unfortunately Tebow doesnt play defense so this is hardly fair.

I think it's perfectly fair to question. I but for my part, I just think it's silly. Are these people who are doubting how Tebow will perform against the Indy's and San Diego's of the world thinking that he's going to be any less on fire to win the game? Do they think he's going to wilt under the pressure or something?

The way I see it, you just let them have their doubts because those doubts wont last long. This guy is the kind of quarterback that even after a loss you don't doubt him because he was out there fighting for every inch all game long. And when you mix that ingredient with his natural physical abilities, you've got the mixture of something special.

Let the doubters doubt. Tim Tebow is an irresistable force right now. Pandora is out of the box. This is back to the future starring Tim Tebow as Peyton Hillis. The coach that comes in and trades him away will end up run out of town in two years (and make things miserable for fan-based message board admins all over the world), and the Broncos will have a PR nightmare on their hands.

We've passed the point of no return. Like it or not, the Tebow era has begun.

Popps
12-27-2010, 10:14 AM
I loved Tebow's performance and I'm cautiously optimistic about him. There's just so much about the kid to like. He's just got to refine some things.

I think the "Orton can't win" thing is a bit overdone, though. He made crucial plays during our winning streak last season, and several of the comeback attempts this year were diffused by things outside of his control. He may not have the Tebow magic... but I think the knock against the competitive side of his game is overdone. Time will tell.

All that said, I couldn't be much happier about Tebow, at this point. Hoping we can bring in a real QB guru to work with him going forward.

footstepsfrom#27
12-27-2010, 10:15 AM
Now, the next question is: Do you want to see the Broncos come out and WIN vs our hated division rivals and that schmuck Phillip Rivers, or do you want to see the team piss away the last game of the year for "better draft position" like all the idiots on the radio?

I know what I want to see.
Sure I've got no problem giving away an elite talent and the best defender in the draft for the next 150 or so games if it means I can yank my crank over winning a meaningless game nobody will care about 24 hours later, why not? That makes perfect sense.

enjolras
12-27-2010, 10:18 AM
I don't know about that. What I do know is Tebow has a history of motivating his teammates. What I would have said is the few "special ones" have a way of elevating their teams with pure determination and will. It;s not like they intentionally don't play as hard. It's the Ray Lewis factor. I think he's not on that team and none of those guys play half as well.

I like to call it the Elway factor. Remember 1999?

TDmvp
12-27-2010, 10:19 AM
I loved Tebow's performance and I'm cautiously optimistic about him. There's just so much about the kid to like. He's just got to refine some things.

I think the "Orton can't win" thing is a bit overdone, though. He made crucial plays during our winning streak last season, and several of the comeback attempts this year were diffused by things outside of his control. He may not have the Tebow magic... but I think the knock against the competitive side of his game is overdone. Time will tell.

All that said, I couldn't be much happier about Tebow, at this point. Hoping we can bring in a real QB guru to work with him going forward.



Dude I love Orton's heart and he seems like a really good guy , but in the clutch moments he is so bad... Last year in our opening 6 wins I don't think we was ever losing so not sure how many crucial plays he made then.

He is just so bad in MUST HAVE moments and if the play breaks down FORGET about it.

Now someone Rep me for my avatar Hilarious!Hilarious! :O)

broncofan2438
12-27-2010, 10:22 AM
There is no reason for Orton to start against SD. Tebow is now the man, and we need to start looking for a trade......

rbackfactory80
12-27-2010, 10:22 AM
I like to call it the Elway factor. Remember 1999?

Of course but I was trying to stay current. I knew someone from the peanut gallery was going to make that comment.:clown:

Boogerboots
12-27-2010, 10:24 AM
This is back to the future starring Tim Tebow as Peyton Hillis.

One could only imagine what our backfield would be like with Tebow in the pistol and Peyton riding shotgun. As Doc Brown would say...

http://www.jasonmorrison.net/content/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/1_21_gigawatts_image-202x300.png

crush17
12-27-2010, 10:25 AM
Sure I've got no problem giving away an elite talent and the best defender in the draft for the next 150 or so games if it means I can yank my crank over winning a meaningless game nobody will care about 24 hours later, why not? That makes perfect sense.

lol.

Alright buddy, you sure told me. I just don't get people who think like you. What is this team supposed to do? PURPOSELY LOSE? That's horrible and if you think that they should, then you are just stupid. End of story.

crush17
12-27-2010, 10:26 AM
Orton and Tebow have completely different skill sets, strengths and weaknesses and therefore look like night and day?

Who'da thunk it ???

I'm glad I saw this thread today, lest I wander around thinking Tebow and Orton are carbon copies of each other.

Read the post again, jackass. Its not that cut and dry.

Wes Mantooth
12-27-2010, 10:29 AM
What good thing? If we win we'll be 5-11 and we have a few extra hours of happiness on Sunday afternoon.

I am more interested in getting the extra few spots that will give us serious ammo to move around the draft and basically fill all the holes in this team. If we go from #2 to #8 because we wanted a meaningless win, that could effect this team for years.

I know all the players and coaches want the win, because all of them are fighting for jobs and they know pretty much the only people guaranteed their jobs next year are Clady and Dumerville. The entire coaching staff and defensive/offensive schemes could be blown up, and who knows what will happen?

But as a fan, we have the luxury of having a macro view of everything. We will still be a fan in 10 years no matter what, so we can take the long term view. As fans, we want a championship team, and we are one of the very few franchises blessed to not pick in the top 5 in forever. If they screw that up with a win, well I just think that would be a wasted opportunity.

Getting Tebow real gametime experience > top 5 pick unless he is not our guy.

You are also suggesting we have a chance next week.

enjolras
12-27-2010, 10:29 AM
There is no reason for Orton to start against SD. Tebow is now the man, and we need to start looking for a trade......

Yep... there is a huge market for QB's in the league right now and not nearly enough rookies coming out. Think of the teams for whom Orton is a major upgrade:

* Seattle
* Miami
* Washington (I think he'd be a really good fit here)
* Jacksonville
* San Francisco
* Oakland
* Tennessee
* Cleveland (McCoy is probably giving them enough, but they might be in the market)
* Dallas
* Buffalo
* Carolina

Now Carolina is likely to end up with Luck and we're not dealing him to Oakland. Still there are a bunch of teams that would love to have Orton. We're going to have the opportunity to move him, hopefully for a player. If we could turn Orton into a rotational lineman (either side) and a decent safety I'd be thrilled. Alternatively I think that something like a 2nd/4th is possible. Trading Orton could be a big part of turning this team around next year.

Pony Boy
12-27-2010, 10:30 AM
Orton is Griese 2.0
LOLHilarious!

Pony Boy
12-27-2010, 10:32 AM
I want Tebow to spank Rivers, send him packing and tell him there is a new sheriff in town.

footstepsfrom#27
12-27-2010, 10:33 AM
lol.

Alright buddy, you sure told me. I just don't get people who think like you. What is this team supposed to do? PURPOSELY LOSE? That's horrible and if you think that they should, then you are just stupid. End of story.
Oh right...why didn't I think of that? They're sure to listen to what fans want and act accordingly, so I'd better make sure I don't wish something into existence that might not otherwise have happened...gotcha, another good point here, keep crankin' 'em out OK?

vercingetorix
12-27-2010, 10:33 AM
Yep... there is a huge market for QB's in the league right now and not nearly enough rookies coming out. Think of the teams for whom Orton is a major upgrade:

* Seattle
* Miami
* Washington (I think he'd be a really good fit here)
* Jacksonville
* San Francisco
* Oakland
* Tennessee
* Cleveland (McCoy is probably giving them enough, but they might be in the market)
* Dallas
* Buffalo
* Carolina

Now Carolina is likely to end up with Luck and we're not dealing him to Oakland. Still there are a bunch of teams that would love to have Orton. We're going to have the opportunity to move him, hopefully for a player. If we could turn Orton into a rotational lineman (either side) and a decent safety I'd be thrilled. Alternatively I think that something like a 2nd/4th is possible. Trading Orton could be a big part of turning this team around next year.


Why no Minnesota? And Dallas is probably a no. You might want to add Detroit to the list since Stafford cant stay healthy and they look like theyre a decent QB away from being decent. And if Luck doesnt come out, Carolina might also be in the market.

Taco John
12-27-2010, 10:33 AM
One could only imagine what our backfield would be like with Tebow in the pistol and Peyton riding shotgun. As Doc Brown would say...

http://www.jasonmorrison.net/content/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/1_21_gigawatts_image-202x300.png

I'm pretty sure that the universe would fold in on itself if we put the irresistable force and the unyeilding object in the same stadium at the same time on the same offense.

I will always HATE Josh McDaniels with the fire of ten thousands suns for not letting us find out. What's with this guy? Two seasons in a row he failed to give a guy playing time who would have made -- MADE him. If that little dweeb had Tebow and Orton on his team, he'd have launched himself a hall of fame career maybe with an offensive mark on the game to rival Bill Walsh.

Talk about not being able to see the forest through the trees.

vercingetorix
12-27-2010, 10:34 AM
I want Tebow to spank Rivers, send him packing and tell him there is a new sheriff in town.

I would just be happy if Denver competed and not rolled over again.

rbackfactory80
12-27-2010, 10:34 AM
Read the post again, jackass. Its not that cut and dry.

True. I think Orton has darker hair than Tebow.

TonyR
12-27-2010, 10:37 AM
This is gonna be a great game to watch because both teams are gonna be playing hard...

Let's hope this isn't the case because if the chargers play hard they'll kill us.

Bronco Vixen
12-27-2010, 10:43 AM
I think it's perfectly fair to question. I but for my part, I just think it's silly. Are these people who are doubting how Tebow will perform against the Indy's and San Diego's of the world thinking that he's going to be any less on fire to win the game? Do they think he's going to wilt under the pressure or something?

The way I see it, you just let them have their doubts because those doubts wont last long. This guy is the kind of quarterback that even after a loss you don't doubt him because he was out there fighting for every inch all game long. And when you mix that ingredient with his natural physical abilities, you've got the mixture of something special.

Let the doubters doubt. Tim Tebow is an irresistable force right now. Pandora is out of the box. This is back to the future starring Tim Tebow as Peyton Hillis. The coach that comes in and trades him away will end up run out of town in two years (and make things miserable for fan-based message board admins all over the world), and the Broncos will have a PR nightmare on their hands.

We've passed the point of no return. Like it or not, the Tebow era has begun.


yes, yes, yes, and yes!!!!!!

Arkie
12-27-2010, 10:48 AM
What good thing? If we win we'll be 5-11 and we have a few extra hours of happiness on Sunday afternoon.

I am more interested in getting the extra few spots that will give us serious ammo to move around the draft and basically fill all the holes in this team. If we go from #2 to #8 because we wanted a meaningless win, that could effect this team for years.

I know all the players and coaches want the win, because all of them are fighting for jobs and they know pretty much the only people guaranteed their jobs next year are Clady and Dumerville. The entire coaching staff and defensive/offensive schemes could be blown up, and who knows what will happen?

But as a fan, we have the luxury of having a macro view of everything. We will still be a fan in 10 years no matter what, so we can take the long term view. As fans, we want a championship team, and we are one of the very few franchises blessed to not pick in the top 5 in forever. If they screw that up with a win, well I just think that would be a wasted opportunity.


I would rather pay the #8 draft slot than the #2 because there is not much difference in talent. The draft is a craphoot anyway.

2 Jason Smith T Baylor St. Louis Rams
3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State Kansas City Chiefs
4 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest Seattle Seahawks
5 Mark Sanchez QB USC New York Jets
6 Andre Smith T Alabama Cincinnati Bengals
7 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland Oakland Raiders
8 Eugene Monroe T Virginia Jacksonville Jaguars

2 Chris Long DE Virginia St. Louis Rams
3 Matt Ryan QB Boston College Atlanta Falcons
4 Darren McFadden RB Arkansas Oakland Raiders
5 Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State Kansas City Chiefs
6 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State New York Jets
7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC New Orleans Saints
8 Derrick Harvey DE Florida Jacksonville Jaguars

2 Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech Detroit Lions
3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin Cleveland Browns
4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 Levi Brown OT Penn State Arizona Cardinals
6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State Washington Redskins
7 Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma Minnesota Vikings
8 Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas Atlanta Falcons

2 Reggie Bush RB USC New Orleans Saints
3 Vince Young QB Texas Tennessee Titans
4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia New York Jets
5 A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio State Green Bay Packers
6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland San Francisco 49ers
7 Michael Huff SS Texas Oakland Raiders
8 Donte Whitner SS Ohio State Buffalo Bills

2 Ronnie Brown RB Auburn Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson RB Texas Chicago Bears
5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones CB West Virginia Tennessee Titans
7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
8 Antrel Rolle DB Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals

2 Robert Gallery T Iowa Oakland Raiders
3 Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh Arizona Cardinals
4 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State New York Giants
5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.) Washington Redskins
6 Kellen Winslow TE Miami (Fla.) Cleveland Browns
7 Roy Williams WR Texas Detroit Lions
8 DeAngelo Hall CB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons

Arkie
12-27-2010, 10:49 AM
I want to win period. The Broncos have never lost 12 games in a season. I want to keep it that way. I want all of our players to notch another career win too.

TonyR
12-27-2010, 10:50 AM
Let the doubters doubt.

Nobody doubts Tebow's intangibles. What some people doubt is his ability to make all the throws that an elite NFL QB has to be able to make, and these doubts exist because he didn't come pre-packaged with an NFL ready throwing motion and delivery and many "experts" and pundits pointed this out over and over again. We've seen some signs the last couple of weeks that maybe he'll be able to prove such doubters wrong but we still haven't seen enough. Expect the chargers game to give him a stage to either prove more doubters wrong or add fuel to the doubter fire.

Vegas_Bronco
12-27-2010, 11:10 AM
Remember....Orton wasn't brought in to be the long term solution. He has been a true contributor, but I do agree...no one likes a dead prophet except those willing to settle for mediocrity and complacency in the nfl is death. I flew thru denver yesterday...very lively crowd watching the game and actually heard yelling across the airport when he ran it in for the final score. He is still new and by next year a lot of opposing gameplans will focus on his weaknesses but it is refreshing to see him do well and have a very visual desire to excel is something that will win regardless of the score.

Bronco Vixen
12-27-2010, 11:23 AM
Now, the next question is: Do you want to see the Broncos come out and WIN vs our hated division rivals and that schmuck Phillip Rivers, or do you want to see the team piss away the last game of the year for "better draft position" like all the idiots on the radio?

I know what I want to see.

An added bonus of closing out strong and defeating that turd Rivers - as if one was needed - would be the extra allure that gives us during the coach/GM courtship. A team that is showing a spark of excitement and grit with a very promising leader at QB is definitely a more attractive pull then one that sits down.

Mr.Meanie
12-27-2010, 12:19 PM
I would rather pay the #8 draft slot than the #2 because there is not much difference in talent. The draft is a craphoot anyway.

2 Jason Smith T Baylor St. Louis Rams
3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State Kansas City Chiefs
4 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest Seattle Seahawks
5 Mark Sanchez QB USC New York Jets
6 Andre Smith T Alabama Cincinnati Bengals
7 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland Oakland Raiders
8 Eugene Monroe T Virginia Jacksonville Jaguars

2 Chris Long DE Virginia St. Louis Rams
3 Matt Ryan QB Boston College Atlanta Falcons
4 Darren McFadden RB Arkansas Oakland Raiders
5 Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State Kansas City Chiefs
6 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State New York Jets
7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC New Orleans Saints
8 Derrick Harvey DE Florida Jacksonville Jaguars

2 Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech Detroit Lions
3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin Cleveland Browns
4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 Levi Brown OT Penn State Arizona Cardinals
6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State Washington Redskins
7 Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma Minnesota Vikings
8 Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas Atlanta Falcons

2 Reggie Bush RB USC New Orleans Saints
3 Vince Young QB Texas Tennessee Titans
4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia New York Jets
5 A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio State Green Bay Packers
6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland San Francisco 49ers
7 Michael Huff SS Texas Oakland Raiders
8 Donte Whitner SS Ohio State Buffalo Bills

2 Ronnie Brown RB Auburn Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson RB Texas Chicago Bears
5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones CB West Virginia Tennessee Titans
7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
8 Antrel Rolle DB Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals

2 Robert Gallery T Iowa Oakland Raiders
3 Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh Arizona Cardinals
4 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State New York Giants
5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.) Washington Redskins
6 Kellen Winslow TE Miami (Fla.) Cleveland Browns
7 Roy Williams WR Texas Detroit Lions
8 DeAngelo Hall CB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons

There will likely be a slotted rookie wage scale in the new CBA so guaranteed money isn't as big of a problem as the current broken system is.

But it's not just the talent difference between #2 to #8, it's also the difference between #34 to #42, #66 to #74, etc. Over the course of a draft it can be quite significant, and that's not even factoring in the value we can leverage by trading down or up because our picks are more valuable.

I know the Broncos have never had that high of a pick, but that's part of the reason we have been mired in mediocrity for so long. Those picks are the reason a team like the Dolphins and Rams can go from worst record in the league to playing for their division title the next year.

I don't expect us to be back in this position for a long time. We should take advantage of it when we can.

Drek
12-27-2010, 12:45 PM
Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.

I'd agree with the comparison, but its not about them inspiring their OL that makes them different from the kind of QB you actually want leading your team. Neither was the kind of QB who stepped his game up late. Late in a big game, late in the season, either one. The best QBs always have the ability to turn it up a notch when the game or season is on the line and make something special happen.

Orton couldn't do that. Griese couldn't do that. Neither could Cutler for that matter. Plummer could but unfortunately the nuts and bolts of being a QB were beyond Plummer's grasp, so while he'd make those big plays he was just as often responsible for digging the hole. That it factor is what makes guys like Elway, Manning, etc. the great players that they are.

When you watch Peyton Manning in a late game down 3 with the ball and 1:30 left on the clock what do you think is going to happen? A game winning touchdown drive. Despite the odds throughout the league being against it when a guy like Manning is in that situation you actually expect him to make something happen to win the game.

Orton basically did about what I expected him to do. Showed up and became a good starting QB here under McDaniels. But last year he showed himself unable to flip that switch. Just like Cutler did in '08. Drafting Tebow was just putting the next candidate in place. So while Orton showed some improvement over last year the fact remained that he wasn't ever going to flip the switch late in games or late in the season to take this team anywhere. The Tebow era was going to begin sooner than later.

Thats what every team in the league should be searching for at QB. We've gone through a handful of guys trying to find it since Elway retired with no such luck. Now we're trying a kid who showed that exact same level of intangibles and leadership in college, seeing if he can bring it to the NFL. Last week was the first glimpse that he just might be able to.

Popps
12-27-2010, 03:54 PM
Dude I love Orton's heart and he seems like a really good guy , but in the clutch moments he is so bad... Last year in our opening 6 wins I don't think we was ever losing so not sure how many crucial plays he made then.


See, I find a critical flaw in reasoning in the notion that QBs can only prove themselves by bringing a team back from behind. Orton made a SLEW of big plays in those first six games. It just so happened that the team was ahead in many of them. But, they were no less important. There are too many issues that play into a come-from-behind win to pin it solely on one person. As Elway used to say... coming from behind too often might make you wonder why you are behind so often in the first place.


ALL THAT SAID, I DO think Kyle had chances to execute at crunch time and didn't do so. I just think the notion that he CAN'T is overdone. In other words, if Tebow goes down... I'll feel comfortable with Kyle as our QB if he's still around next year.

This all revolves around a bigger philosophy I have that we (as a team) need to quit expecting a magic QB to save us. Tebow isn't Elway. You'll all see that in time. But, he MAY be an NFL championship QB. Plenty of guys not named Elway have won SBs.

I love the kid, and couldn't be much more excited about having him lead the team next season. What a great kid to root for.

I just hope we quit stop-starting with the rebuilding thing and truly build a foundation for winning in Denver again. The cliche' "all three phases" has been around forever for a reason.

Dudeskey
12-27-2010, 04:06 PM
I'd rather win and keep a good thing going.

Yep, and as much some are hard up for Josh Luck, we're not getting him anyway so **** it.

Jesterhole
12-27-2010, 04:22 PM
I think it's perfectly fair to question. I but for my part, I just think it's silly. Are these people who are doubting how Tebow will perform against the Indy's and San Diego's of the world thinking that he's going to be any less on fire to win the game? Do they think he's going to wilt under the pressure or something?

The way I see it, you just let them have their doubts because those doubts wont last long. This guy is the kind of quarterback that even after a loss you don't doubt him because he was out there fighting for every inch all game long. And when you mix that ingredient with his natural physical abilities, you've got the mixture of something special.

Let the doubters doubt. Tim Tebow is an irresistable force right now. Pandora is out of the box. This is back to the future starring Tim Tebow as Peyton Hillis. The coach that comes in and trades him away will end up run out of town in two years (and make things miserable for fan-based message board admins all over the world), and the Broncos will have a PR nightmare on their hands.

We've passed the point of no return. Like it or not, the Tebow era has begun.

Agree 100%

Also, I doubt seriously that the front office would bring in anyone at this point without the clear understanding that we're committed to Tebow moving forward, financily, in terms of draft picks, and now emotionaly with the fan base. I can't see them hiring a guy who says "Yeah, I'm not going with Tim."

Jesterhole
12-27-2010, 04:26 PM
lol.

Alright buddy, you sure told me. I just don't get people who think like you. What is this team supposed to do? PURPOSELY LOSE? That's horrible and if you think that they should, then you are just stupid. End of story.

It's called "long term thinking" It's the difference between how the people who plan the battles think vs. the people who they throw into battle

zdoor
12-27-2010, 04:29 PM
Tebow needs to play and the team will respond again. If we win, so be it. I'm sick of losing and while the higher pick would be nice. **** it. Let's go balls out and let the chips fall where they may. I want more Tebow magic...

zdoor
12-27-2010, 04:37 PM
See, I find a critical flaw in reasoning in the notion that QBs can only prove themselves by bringing a team back from behind. Orton made a SLEW of big plays in those first six games. It just so happened that the team was ahead in many of them. But, they were no less important. There are too many issues that play into a come-from-behind win to pin it solely on one person. As Elway used to say... coming from behind too often might make you wonder why you are behind so often in the first place.


ALL THAT SAID, I DO think Kyle had chances to execute at crunch time and didn't do so. I just think the notion that he CAN'T is overdone. In other words, if Tebow goes down... I'll feel comfortable with Kyle as our QB if he's still around next year.

This all revolves around a bigger philosophy I have that we (as a team) need to quit expecting a magic QB to save us. Tebow isn't Elway. You'll all see that in time. But, he MAY be an NFL championship QB. Plenty of guys not named Elway have won SBs.

I love the kid, and couldn't be much more excited about having him lead the team next season. What a great kid to root for.

I just hope we quit stop-starting with the rebuilding thing and truly build a foundation for winning in Denver again. The cliche' "all three phases" has been around forever for a reason.

Let it go man. Orton is fine when a play goes as planned but he is not a playmaker and there are several key points in a game where you need a guy that can make something happen when things break down. That is not Kyle Orton. Yes he can win when you have a solid D and strong team. But, he is not going to do much on his own and has, throughout this year, played miserably under duress.

A backup, yeah I agree, he'd be one of the better ones. But, he says that he's a starter and frankly, we don't need more drama. Move him for a pick and let's see where Tebow takes us.

mhgaffney
12-27-2010, 04:40 PM
Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.

I think Kubiak was also one of these types of guys. Smart. Efficient. Can go through a progression, and even teach it. These kinds of guys can have a role on your team. I used to get my chops busted for making this argument for Griese, but I think that Orton could play a valuable role on this team. To me, the guy is a champion at heart, with the right personality and he's exactly the kind of guy I want in my locker room playing a behind the scenes leadership/mentorship role. And if he needs to go on the field, he does so at a very high level, knowing the offense and with a team that he's done battle with.

I hope that Kyle will get sat down by Elway/Kubiak some day and talk about what it means to the team to have that kind of a presence on a football team, and what it means personally towards Kyle's own future. Kubiak has enjoyed a long career in the NFL, and if that's what Kyle wants, Denver is the best place that he can get it.

(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! Ha!)

The bottom line is we need more draft picks.

Soon it will be time to move Orton.

He's a nice guy. OK. This is just bid'ness.

Taco John
12-27-2010, 04:41 PM
The bottom line is we need more draft picks.

Soon it will be time to move Orton.

He's a nice guy. OK. This is just bid'ness.


We're not going to get any draft picks for a guy with his contract. You're barking up the wrong tree if you're looking for draft picks. And even if his contract weren't an issue, the best we'll get out of him is maybe a third rounder. A QB of his calibre, even as a back-up, is well worth a third round pick. Moving Orton is more likely to bring us diminishing returns.

mhgaffney
12-27-2010, 04:47 PM
A third rounder would be great. We can pick up some depth for the O line. Maybe a running back.

Jesterhole
12-27-2010, 04:50 PM
We're not going to get any draft picks for a guy with his contract. You're barking up the wrong tree if you're looking for draft picks. And even if his contract weren't an issue, the best we'll get out of him is maybe a third rounder. A QB of his calibre, even as a back-up, is well worth a third round pick. Moving Orton is more likely to bring us diminishing returns.

This is starting to make more sense. A very solid backup is a great asset with a young QB, especially one who will get into the action like Tebow. I find it hard to believe Orton will accept it though. He had a career year, and feels like he should be a starter in this league. I can't argue against that, so I don't see how he'll be able to accept some kind of 'mentor' role. Fingers crossed...

Cito Pelon
12-27-2010, 06:23 PM
I want to win period. The Broncos have never lost 12 games in a season. I want to keep it that way. I want all of our players to notch another career win too.

Good point.

Rigs11
12-27-2010, 06:47 PM
Let tebow and orton compete in training camp next year. No reason to proclaim tebow the starter prematurely.

broncocalijohn
12-27-2010, 07:43 PM
How about we win 63-60 on a last second Tebow TD? Hey the defense can't stop them and yet we still win. I like that better....

I am pretty sure 63-0 would be better. Tebow starts and comes out after the first drive of the 3rd quarter after we go up 42-0. Orton comes in to finish the game, crowd boos (except TGN as he flips off the Tebowites). Some Tebowites leave right then and show their true colors of one guy = my team. Broncos fans stick to the end as we humiliate the Chargers. Orton and Quinn come in to toss 3 TDs. Moreno is still stuck on the sidelines and gains zero yards for the day but still has a +4 on Maroney who goes 2 carries for -4 yards (yes, he plays and dont ask me how). The True orange n blue Tebowites and Broncos' fans hug and high five each other and yell, "Wait until next year!" Leo aka TGN, replies,"You damn right! Im renewing my tickets and getting a #15 Tebow jersey!" Then out of nowhere, an unexpected scream comes from TGN's mouth, "Thank You Jesus!" He then regularly attends church every Sunday and Saturday night when Tebow is leading the flock on home games.

epicSocialism4tw
12-27-2010, 07:53 PM
Tebow needs to play and the team will respond again. If we win, so be it. I'm sick of losing and while the higher pick would be nice. **** it. Let's go balls out and let the chips fall where they may. I want more Tebow magic...

The Broncos with Tebow are a gritty, fighting bunch. The Raiders got to see it. Its time for San Diego to see it as well. They need to know what theyre in for over the next 10-15 years.

Beat those punks.

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2010, 08:15 PM
What good thing? If we win we'll be 5-11 and we have a few extra hours of happiness on Sunday afternoon.

I am more interested in getting the extra few spots that will give us serious ammo to move around the draft and basically fill all the holes in this team. If we go from #2 to #8 because we wanted a meaningless win, that could effect this team for years.

I know all the players and coaches want the win, because all of them are fighting for jobs and they know pretty much the only people guaranteed their jobs next year are Clady and Dumerville. The entire coaching staff and defensive/offensive schemes could be blown up, and who knows what will happen?

But as a fan, we have the luxury of having a macro view of everything. We will still be a fan in 10 years no matter what, so we can take the long term view. As fans, we want a championship team, and we are one of the very few franchises blessed to not pick in the top 5 in forever. If they screw that up with a win, well I just think that would be a wasted opportunity.

spoken like a true idgit.

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2010, 08:25 PM
I would rather pay the #8 draft slot than the #2 because there is not much difference in talent. The draft is a craphoot anyway.

2 Jason Smith T Baylor St. Louis Rams
3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State Kansas City Chiefs
4 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest Seattle Seahawks
5 Mark Sanchez QB USC New York Jets
6 Andre Smith T Alabama Cincinnati Bengals
7 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland Oakland Raiders
8 Eugene Monroe T Virginia Jacksonville Jaguars

2 Chris Long DE Virginia St. Louis Rams
3 Matt Ryan QB Boston College Atlanta Falcons
4 Darren McFadden RB Arkansas Oakland Raiders
5 Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State Kansas City Chiefs
6 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State New York Jets
7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC New Orleans Saints
8 Derrick Harvey DE Florida Jacksonville Jaguars

2 Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech Detroit Lions
3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin Cleveland Browns
4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 Levi Brown OT Penn State Arizona Cardinals
6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State Washington Redskins
7 Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma Minnesota Vikings
8 Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas Atlanta Falcons

2 Reggie Bush RB USC New Orleans Saints
3 Vince Young QB Texas Tennessee Titans
4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia New York Jets
5 A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio State Green Bay Packers
6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland San Francisco 49ers
7 Michael Huff SS Texas Oakland Raiders
8 Donte Whitner SS Ohio State Buffalo Bills

2 Ronnie Brown RB Auburn Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson RB Texas Chicago Bears
5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones CB West Virginia Tennessee Titans
7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
8 Antrel Rolle DB Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals

2 Robert Gallery T Iowa Oakland Raiders
3 Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh Arizona Cardinals
4 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State New York Giants
5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.) Washington Redskins
6 Kellen Winslow TE Miami (Fla.) Cleveland Browns
7 Roy Williams WR Texas Detroit Lions
8 DeAngelo Hall CB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons

this^

Plus, it's far easier to trade down from #8 than #2 simply because of the pay scale difference. Teams will trade up to the #8 knowing they will still get a blue chip player but not have to pay that blue chip player a ridiculous amount of money.

schaaf
12-27-2010, 10:11 PM
the only one on that list I would still take at 2 would be Calvin Johnson.. hopefully he can get out of the black hole that is detroit before his career is over

footstepsfrom#27
12-27-2010, 10:22 PM
this^

Plus, it's far easier to trade down from #8 than #2 simply because of the pay scale difference. Teams will trade up to the #8 knowing they will still get a blue chip player but not have to pay that blue chip player a ridiculous amount of money.
Why not trade down to the 5th round then? Make it even easier. **** this ****...get the best damn player we can get, who cares what it costs? It's not your money is it? We're in a new salary cap world soon anyway. In the '89 draft that produed Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, Derick Thomas, and Deon Sander in the top 5 picks, the #8 pick was Burt Grossman.

Exactly.

We need the #2 pick to grab the best defensive player in the draft.

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2010, 10:26 PM
Why not trade down to the 5th round then? Make it even easier. **** this ****...get the best damn player we can get, who cares what it costs? It's not your money is it? We're in a new salary cap world soon anyway. In the '89 draft that produed Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, Derick Thomas, and Deon Sander in the top 5 picks, the #8 pick was Burt Grossman.

Exactly.

We need the #2 pick to grab the best defensive player in the draft.

I don't believe in losing in order to get a better draft pick. That's a loser's mentality and I bet you anything Tebow would agree. I want the Broncos to win their last game against the chuggers, draft pick be damned.

footstepsfrom#27
12-27-2010, 10:55 PM
Let tebow and orton compete in training camp next year. No reason to proclaim tebow the starter prematurely.
No to this idea from the get-go.

footstepsfrom#27
12-27-2010, 11:00 PM
I don't believe in losing in order to get a better draft pick. That's a loser's mentality and I bet you anything Tebow would agree. I want the Broncos to win their last game against the chuggers, draft pick be damned.
In case you haven't accepted this, you need to; we ARE losers, that's why we're picking near the top of the draft. Winning a meaningless game against a team with nothing to play for and sacrificing a chance to draft the next Deon Sanders type player is insanely dumb. Does that mean I want the team to tank? Of course not...we're talking about what we hope hanppens, not what we want the team to do to make it happen.

Obviously.

Cito Pelon
12-27-2010, 11:09 PM
I don't believe in losing in order to get a better draft pick. That's a loser's mentality and I bet you anything Tebow would agree. I want the Broncos to win their last game against the chuggers, draft pick be damned.

Yeah, I have to agree. Going into the offseason on a losing note is just an awful feeling.

broncocalijohn
12-27-2010, 11:43 PM
I don't believe in losing in order to get a better draft pick. That's a loser's mentality and I bet you anything Tebow would agree. I want the Broncos to win their last game against the chuggers, draft pick be damned.

If somehow, somebody told Tebow that we arent going to use our normal playbook and we will be dumping it for this game just to get a better draft pick, Tebow will ask to be traded. I cant stand this **** about losing to get a better pick. It is way more important to see how good Tebow is during this game. It is the difference of wanting a QB or defense in that pick. As I stated numerous times that when we beat the Vikings, we slipped from a possible #8 to #12. Clady was there waiting for us at #12. Just root for your team to win and stop being a draft dweeb.

broncocalijohn
12-27-2010, 11:48 PM
In case you haven't accepted this, you need to; we ARE losers, that's why we're picking near the top of the draft. Winning a meaningless game against a team with nothing to play for and sacrificing a chance to draft the next Deon Sanders type player is insanely dumb. Does that mean I want the team to tank? Of course not...we're talking about what we hope hanppens, not what we want the team to do to make it happen.

Obviously.

Amazing you have a tebow avatar yet you stand for something that he would cringe at the thought of losing. Players want to win. I am with the players as they make up the Broncos. You, IMO, are pathetic. Put a Madden logo in your avatar instead.

Atwater His Ass
12-28-2010, 05:02 AM
Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.

I think Kubiak was also one of these types of guys. Smart. Efficient. Can go through a progression, and even teach it. These kinds of guys can have a role on your team. I used to get my chops busted for making this argument for Griese, but I think that Orton could play a valuable role on this team. To me, the guy is a champion at heart, with the right personality and he's exactly the kind of guy I want in my locker room playing a behind the scenes leadership/mentorship role. And if he needs to go on the field, he does so at a very high level, knowing the offense and with a team that he's done battle with.

I hope that Kyle will get sat down by Elway/Kubiak some day and talk about what it means to the team to have that kind of a presence on a football team, and what it means personally towards Kyle's own future. Kubiak has enjoyed a long career in the NFL, and if that's what Kyle wants, Denver is the best place that he can get it.

(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! Ha!)

Although keeping Orton here as the backup would be ideal, there's no way he goes for this.

Orton is coming into / just realizing his prime as an NFL QB. There are several teams he could start for today, and several more where he could have a competing chance, which he won't get in Denver. I just don't see him accepting an automatic backup role in Denver, since there is no way Tebow is not the starter next year.

I don't care what Elway may say to the guy about it, as a competitor, I just don't see Orton going for it.

TailgateNut
12-28-2010, 05:06 AM
I am pretty sure 63-0 would be better. Tebow starts and comes out after the first drive of the 3rd quarter after we go up 42-0. Orton comes in to finish the game, crowd boos (except TGN as he flips off the Tebowites). Some Tebowites leave right then and show their true colors of one guy = my team. Broncos fans stick to the end as we humiliate the Chargers. Orton and Quinn come in to toss 3 TDs. Moreno is still stuck on the sidelines and gains zero yards for the day but still has a +4 on Maroney who goes 2 carries for -4 yards (yes, he plays and dont ask me how). The True orange n blue Tebowites and Broncos' fans hug and high five each other and yell, "Wait until next year!" Leo aka TGN, replies,"You damn right! Im renewing my tickets and getting a #15 Tebow jersey!" Then out of nowhere, an unexpected scream comes from TGN's mouth, "Thank You Jesus!" He then regularly attends church every Sunday and Saturday night when Tebow is leading the flock on home games.


You must have picked up some primo medical marijuana before coming up with this gem. :spit:

The flipping off the Tebownites isn't to much of a stretch, 'cause regardless of the scoreboard, if those clueless ****s don't STFU when we have the ball, it will happen more than once.

crush17
12-28-2010, 08:03 AM
In case you haven't accepted this, you need to; we ARE losers, that's why we're picking near the top of the draft. Winning a meaningless game against a team with nothing to play for and sacrificing a chance to draft the next Deon Sanders type player is insanely dumb. Does that mean I want the team to tank? Of course not...we're talking about what we hope hanppens, not what we want the team to do to make it happen.

Obviously.

Damn you are stupid.

Rigs11
12-28-2010, 10:19 AM
No to this idea from the get-go.

Why? do you fear competition? If tebow is so much more awesome than orton, then he should have not trouble beating orton in camp right?man up

epicSocialism4tw
12-28-2010, 10:27 AM
Why? do you fear competition? If tebow is so much more awesome than orton, then he should have not trouble beating orton in camp right?man up

Tebow just beat out Orton last Sunday for the foreseeable future.

Rigs11
12-28-2010, 12:26 PM
Tebow just beat out Orton last Sunday for the foreseeable future.

Again, what is the problem with them battling it out next season in camp?

vercingetorix
12-28-2010, 12:34 PM
Why? do you fear competition? If tebow is so much more awesome than orton, then he should have not trouble beating orton in camp right?man up

Orton has too much value by helping to rebuild the defense. This team is at square one. It makes sense to give someone like Tebow a chance to figure things out since he is getting in at the ground floor with the rebuild.

epicSocialism4tw
12-28-2010, 12:55 PM
Again, what is the problem with them battling it out next season in camp?

Its not a battle anymore. The battle is over.

kamakazi_kal
12-28-2010, 01:06 PM
I've said it since Josh brought him on.

Orton isn't a bad QB just very very average. Good backup.

Taco John
12-28-2010, 01:09 PM
Again, what is the problem with them battling it out next season in camp?

Who is doing the battling?

bronco militia
12-28-2010, 01:10 PM
Why? do you fear competition? If tebow is so much more awesome than orton, then he should have not trouble beating orton in camp right?man up

if 3rd downs and the 4th quarter doesn't count, orton might have a chance.

RhymesayersDU
12-28-2010, 01:11 PM
You can tell the people who can only see the five feet in front of their face very well in this thread.

In general, they're morons.

You know who you are.

bendog
12-28-2010, 02:10 PM
You can tell the people who can only see the five feet in front of their face very well in this thread.

In general, they're morons.

You know who you are.

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Rigs11
12-28-2010, 04:27 PM
if 3rd downs and the 4th quarter doesn't count, orton might have a chance.

I'm still not sold on tebow, yeah he did a hell of a job coming back last week in the fourth, but he did play against the texans. Don't go beating each other off just yet.

frerottenextelway
12-28-2010, 04:31 PM
It's nice seeing excuses for success instead of excuses for failure for a change.