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bronco0608
12-26-2010, 09:27 PM
Mueller, Decosta, Sundquist, Telesco, Casserly, and Paton on the radar for GM

Please no Casserly and Sundquist. I could deal with the rest, but Casserly was absolutely horrible with the Texans (his draft picks were the worst ever, just look at them) and we all know about the Sundquist drafts. Chris Cole, Paul Tovessi, Travis McGriff, Willie Middlebrooks, Dorsett Davis...****, i could keep going on and on.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/257091-will-elway-hinder-broncos-hire?eref=fromSI

Dagmar
12-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Mueller, Decosta, Sundquist, Telesco, Casserly, and Paton on the radar for GM

Please no Casserly and Sundquist. I could deal with the rest, but Casserly was absolutely horrible with the Texans (his draft picks were the worst ever, just look at them) and we all know about the Sundquist drafts. Chris Cole, Paul Tovessi, Travis McGriff, Willie Middlebrooks, Dorsett Davis...****, i could keep going on and on.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/257091-will-elway-hinder-broncos-hire?eref=fromSI

Yeah, that Mario Williams is ****.

Archer81
12-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Mueller, Decosta, Sundquist, Telesco, Casserly, and Paton on the radar for GM

Please no Casserly and Sundquist. I could deal with the rest, but Casserly was absolutely horrible with the Texans (his draft picks were the worst ever, just look at them) and we all know about the Sundquist drafts. Chris Cole, Paul Tovessi, Travis McGriff, Willie Middlebrooks, Dorsett Davis...****, i could keep going on and on.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/257091-will-elway-hinder-broncos-hire?eref=fromSI


I dont think Sundquist made the picks in Denver...

But this list is pretty much an O-Mane speculationfest.

:Broncos:

Ratboy
12-26-2010, 09:38 PM
Eric DeCosta? **** yeah!

Wiki:

Career"
Prior to his stint in the NFL, DeCosta worked at Trinity College (1993-1996) as a Graduate Fellow, coaching football in the Athletic Department.

Named as one of the most powerful people in sports under the age of 35 [2], DeCosta has played a strong role in the drafting of Pro Bowl players like Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Jamal Lewis, Bart Scott, Le'Ron McClain, Haloti Ngata, and Ray Rice along with significant contributors Tony Weaver, Mark Clayton, Chester Taylor, Ed Hartwell, Dawan Landry, Jason Brown, Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs, Sam Koch, and Lardarius Webb.[citation needed]

In April, 2008, DeCosta and the Ravens traded the 8th pick in the 2008 Draft to the Jacksonville Jaguars for the 26th pick in the first round and other picks.[3] The Ravens then traded the 26th overall pick and their third round pick to the Houston Texans for the 18th pick, where the Ravens then selected 2008 Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Year winner, QB Joe Flacco from the University of Delaware.[4] In his first season as Ravens starting quarterback, Flacco led the Ravens to the AFC Championship Game, where they lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champion Pittsburgh Steelers.

The next year, in April, 2009, DeCosta and Newsome traded the 26th pick in the 2009 Draft and another pick to the New England Patriots for the 23rd pick in the first round.[1] The Ravens then selected 2009 Offensive Rookie of the Year runner-up Michael Oher, OT, from Ole Miss. [2] Oher was featured in Michael Lewis' acclaimed book, The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game which was also made into a movie starring Sandra Bullock.

In January, 2010, after reportedly being a finalist for the Seattle Seahawks General Manager position [3], DeCosta removed his name from consideration prior to interviewing for the post [4].

spdirty
12-26-2010, 09:42 PM
Lets go with Sundquist and Xanders as a GM team, with Kubiak as head coach and vp of football operations. And schlereth and Elway in there as well. :stirstir:

lostknight
12-26-2010, 09:43 PM
DeCosta should, at least on paper, be great. My guess is that the Ravens already have him in some sort of approved transition plan with a lot of money and job security. Telesco might not be bad. I would stay away from anyone with Vikings roots.

bronco0608
12-26-2010, 09:47 PM
Yeah, that Mario Williams is ****.

Wasn't drafted by Casserly, guy. But you already know that, right? Not really.

Dagmar
12-26-2010, 09:54 PM
Wasn't drafted by Casserly, guy. But you already know that, right? Not really.

All right cutie.

http://yallkiltit.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/passing-on-reggie-bush-charley-casserlys-greatest-call-of-all/

Four and one-half years ago, Houston Texans General Manager Charley Casserly made what was considered at the time the biggest NFL draft gaffe of the decade. . .and possibly ever.

Instead of drafting one of the two main Heisman finalists, either of whom was “clearly” an NFL superstar in the waiting. . .the man chose unheralded North Carolina State DE Mario Williams.

razorwire77
12-26-2010, 09:54 PM
Ted Sundquist would suck. Wouldn't be overly excited with Charley Casserly. I'm pretty sure most Texan fans wanted to kick his dog by the time he was done there. Although he does have a ton of experience. DeCosta seems like an excellent possibility. I don't know a lot about the rest of the candidates but they all seem to have experience with winning franchises. Any of these guys sans Ted would be preferable to having Xanders as a GM.

montrose
12-26-2010, 10:20 PM
Casserly took Mario Williams, Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels and DeMeco Ryans. Considering some still feel the unemployed Goodmans were awesome drafters Casserly is a gold standard then. Casserly doesn't like Tebow, which I think could be a good thing if the front office is a room of debate between GM, HC and Elway. Casserly missed on his fair share of moves too which leads me too...

Eric Decosta. Much like Belichick's assistants have failed without him - both of Newsome's assistants (Savage and Kokinis) were miserable failures on their own. If Belichick is the secret to NEs success in coaching, Newsome is so to personnel in Baltimore. Hiring Eric Decosta as GM would be no less risky than hiring Josh McDaniels was - based on the track record of similar Baltimore assistants. Not saying DeCosta couldn't be sucessful, he could... just like McDaniels could have been successful. But if you're a fan that didn't like the hire of McD because of Weis, Crennel and Mangini's failures - you'd be well served to research the history of Savage and Kokinis before declaring DeCosta the guy to come in and turn the program around.

Broncos_OTM
12-26-2010, 10:24 PM
Yeah, that Mario Williams is ****.

Its hard to miss when you had the first pick in the draft

ghwk
12-26-2010, 10:31 PM
Send this thread to the butt. Who isnt on the list for crying out loud.

gtown
12-26-2010, 10:34 PM
I am just happy that there is a radar and the Broncos aren't simply sold on elevating Xanders to a real GM position.

Tim
12-26-2010, 10:36 PM
I liked Ted Sundquist. when he was Gm it seemed like trades and free agency always worked out in our favor, If I remember right he passed the torch to mike in 08' and then we had dog crap like niko and keary colbert.

Requiem
12-26-2010, 11:25 PM
Take back every word you said, Tim.

snowspot66
12-26-2010, 11:26 PM
I liked Ted Sundquist. when he was Gm it seemed like trades and free agency always worked out in our favor, If I remember right he passed the torch to mike in 08' and then we had dog crap like niko and keary colbert.

Sundquist hasn't had a job in the NFL since he lost his here. Just say no.

Requiem
12-26-2010, 11:27 PM
On a serious note, Telesco is a great candidate.

Kaylore
12-26-2010, 11:31 PM
I'm 90% sure Sundquist isn't being looked at seriously.

brncs_fan
12-26-2010, 11:34 PM
Telesco would be my choice. He's been with the Colts for 13 years, the past four as director of player personnel. Examine all the lower picks and undrafted free agents who have made, and become stars, in Indianapolis. Telesco was a contributing force in the Colts' two trips to the Super Bowl, and he will be a GM someday.

Read more: Paige: Hirings have to be rush jobs - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_16870736?source=commented-#ixzz19I7hyBHQ
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Broncoman13
12-26-2010, 11:39 PM
I think a GM is more important for personnel decisions and negotiating the contracts with our own FAs as well as FA acquisitions. When it comes to the draft there are many more factors than just the GM. Now, if there are two or three guys that the scouts and director of scouting all think are "top prospects" then the GM will likely make the call. But it's not like a GM is just gonna come in and say, hey I watched a lot of Cam Newton during his one year at Auburn... We're taking him.

It seems like some people think that with a "big name" GM the HC isn't going to have a say in personnel decisions. Just doesn't work that way.

Broncoman13
12-26-2010, 11:41 PM
Wasn't drafted by Casserly, guy. But you already know that, right? Not really.

Doh! Sucks when someone quotes it when you say something stupid. Not the end of the world, but clearly you aren't qualified to select our next GM... Not that anyone on the Mane is...

Broncoman13
12-26-2010, 11:55 PM
Telesco would be my choice. He's been with the Colts for 13 years, the past four as director of player personnel. Examine all the lower picks and undrafted free agents who have made, and become stars, in Indianapolis. Telesco was a contributing force in the Colts' two trips to the Super Bowl, and he will be a GM someday.

Read more: Paige: Hirings have to be rush jobs - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_16870736?source=commented-#ixzz19I7hyBHQ
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Stability and continuity play a big role in that though. The Colts are successful in the draft with later round picks b/c they've maintained the same system for several years. Like Shanahan did with the offense, when you have the same system and several good fits, you can identify players that fit your system later in the draft.

So I am not sure I would trust any of those guys to build a system from scratch sort of speak. I would prefer a guy that has had to build something from the ground up rather than select players that fit something you know well and are accustomed to. That is pretty much what McD was trying and that left us with some serious gaps in talent.

With that in mind, I would prefer a guy like Casserly. Houston was nothing when he got there. He had some poor picks, but usually those were in years where there really wasn't a better choice. When given options, he generally decided on the better players for Houston. Guys like Williams, AJ, Ryans, and Robinson were all great choices. The picks he bombed on werent really reaches either. Okoye was probably the most questionable pick when there were options available. David Carr was a trap pick for an expansion team. But look back at the team he left and the talent was increased dramatically at the top. But again, the FA side of things were never his strong suit.

brncs_fan
12-26-2010, 11:58 PM
Stability and continuity play a big role in that though. The Colts are successful in the draft with later round picks b/c they've maintained the same system for several years. Like Shanahan did with the offense, when you have the same system and several good fits, you can identify players that fit your system later in the draft.


Ok. So hire a coach, put in a system, and let this guy go get the players for you.

Boomhauer
12-27-2010, 12:07 AM
Rick, not Randy, Mueller for GM. :lombardi:
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/415310022/Rick_Mueller_bigger.jpg

Broncoman13
12-27-2010, 12:16 AM
Ok. So hire a coach, put in a system, and let this guy go get the players for you.

Big difference. Starting from scratch vs adding to an existing system. Who knows, maybe a guy like Decosta can come in and bring the Ravens philosophy and have success with it... But isn't that what we were expecting with McD and the Pats system?

dsmoot
12-27-2010, 06:11 AM
Ted Sundquist would suck. Wouldn't be overly excited with Charley Casserly. I'm pretty sure most Texan fans wanted to kick his dog by the time he was done there. Although he does have a ton of experience. DeCosta seems like an excellent possibility. I don't know a lot about the rest of the candidates but they all seem to have experience with winning franchises. Any of these guys sans Ted would be preferable to having Xanders as a GM.

What did Sundquist really do in Denver??? I never got the impression he had that much influence or was considered that much of a draft/personnel person. Just asking - since Shanahan had his hand in everything.

Kaylore
12-27-2010, 06:18 AM
What did Sundquist really do in Denver??? I never got the impression he had that much influence or was considered that much of a draft/personnel person. Just asking - since Shanahan had his hand in everything.

Apparently the Browncos trades were his brainchild. He also had his hand in a lot of the draft. Our drafts got much better once he left town and the Goodman's took over.

I find it interesting that no one else is even a little bothered this guy hasn't found work since he was fired - with anyone in any capacity. He finally got a sort of job doing commentary for PFT, which is the TMZ of football news. It's like he couldn't even get a job somewhere reputable. Either it means no one felt he was qualified or he didn't care to look for work. Both sides present major concerns.

broncogary
12-27-2010, 06:34 AM
Doh! Sucks when someone quotes it when you say something stupid. Not the end of the world, but clearly you aren't qualified to select our next GM... Not that anyone on the Mane is...

Casserly had already been told he was gone when the pick was made. He was still the GM for another month, but he left rather than be fired, but this was common knowledge before the draft.

I'm not sure if we know who made the pick. Doubtful they would have given him sole charge of the pick when he was already history.

And Mario Williams is no world-beater. He's pretty much considered a low-motor underachiever. He even got called out by McNair before the start of the season. He's just done more than Bush and VY.

meangene
12-27-2010, 07:08 AM
Casserly had already been told he was gone when the pick was made. He was still the GM for another month, but he left rather than be fired, but this was common knowledge before the draft.

I'm not sure if we know who made the pick. Doubtful they would have given him sole charge of the pick when he was already history.

And Mario Williams is no world-beater. He's pretty much considered a low-motor underachiever. He even got called out by McNair before the start of the season. He's just done more than Bush and VY.

I also don't see Casserly's ego allowing him to share any authority with Elway or anyone else in the front office. If I remember correctly, he was not a fan of Tebow before the draft either. Next...

rbackfactory80
12-27-2010, 07:11 AM
Don't overlook that the guys mentioned have great success because of the great team leadership. Say what you want about Ray Lewis but he gets the most out of his players and everyone plays better and tougher with him. The Colts have Manning who demands the best from his team. We do now have the Tebow who could have a similar impact on Denver.

Broncoman13
12-27-2010, 10:31 AM
Casserly had already been told he was gone when the pick was made. He was still the GM for another month, but he left rather than be fired, but this was common knowledge before the draft.

I'm not sure if we know who made the pick. Doubtful they would have given him sole charge of the pick when he was already history.

And Mario Williams is no world-beater. He's pretty much considered a low-motor underachiever. He even got called out by McNair before the start of the season. He's just done more than Bush and VY.

Hmm, that might be but remember that McNair really wanted Vince Young... Local kid, Texas Hero, etc. Most of the country and most Houstonians wanted Young or Bush and yet he selected Super Mario.. must have had some power.

CEH
12-27-2010, 10:47 AM
Um, not to quibble about minor things like life and death, but I believe McNair has been dead for two seasons.

McNair is also the owner of the Texans. Not Steve but Bob

Broncoman13
12-27-2010, 10:50 AM
Um, not to quibble about minor things like life and death, but I believe McNair has been dead for two seasons.

Wrong McNair.

broncogary
12-27-2010, 11:57 AM
Hmm, that might be but remember that McNair really wanted Vince Young... Local kid, Texas Hero, etc. Most of the country and most Houstonians wanted Young or Bush and yet he selected Super Mario.. must have had some power.

It was Butt Adams that really wanted VY.

24champ
12-27-2010, 12:11 PM
Apparently the Browncos trades were his brainchild. He also had his hand in a lot of the draft. Our drafts got much better once he left town and the Goodman's took over.

I find it interesting that no one else is even a little bothered this guy hasn't found work since he was fired - with anyone in any capacity. He finally got a sort of job doing commentary for PFT, which is the TMZ of football news. It's like he couldn't even get a job somewhere reputable. Either it means no one felt he was qualified or he didn't care to look for work. Both sides present major concerns.

I thought Sundquist was the GM of the Omaha Nighthawks of the UFL...still that's not overly impressive.

theAPAOps5
12-27-2010, 12:15 PM
I'm 90% sure Sundquist isn't being looked at seriously.

Every year since he was canned you hear him on local radio saying he wants back into the NFL. Then another season passes with him on the outside looking in. There has to be a reason and whatever it is I don't want Denver to ignore that reason.

Broncoman13
12-27-2010, 12:21 PM
It was Butt Adams that really wanted VY.

They both did. Bud Adams b/c he was from Houston and knew VY even from his HS days at Madison or wherever it was... get his and McNeal's HS days confused. Pretty sure Reggie was Lufkin and VY was Madison though.

Anyhow, you can bet that McNair didn't want the Titans to get the local kid.

montrose
12-27-2010, 12:57 PM
Just say no to Eric Decosta.

24champ
12-27-2010, 01:02 PM
Hopefully Xanders sticks around. Been really impressed with his work ethic, he does get extra cheese and pepperoni for the staff.

montrose
12-27-2010, 01:12 PM
Hopefully Xanders sticks around. Been really impressed with his work ethic, he does get extra cheese and pepperoni for the staff.

lol, SoCal? Is that you?