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frerottenextelway
12-26-2010, 03:58 PM
What an incredible moment.

frerottenextelway
12-26-2010, 03:59 PM
I don't care how sh_tty this year has been, this is one of the greatest Bronco moments in a decade.

frerottenextelway
12-26-2010, 04:01 PM
Tebow is a star. He is a franchise quarterback.

TD4HOF
12-26-2010, 04:01 PM
It's all so clear now. We were destined to go through all that in order to be deserving servants of Mr. Tebow.

End of story.

fido
12-26-2010, 04:01 PM
amazing job....regardless of our d....tebow fired up the team...and the stadium....havent heard it noisy like that is quite some time....well done!!

Garcia Bronco
12-26-2010, 04:02 PM
December 26th is Tim Tebow Day.

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 04:03 PM
Unbelievable.

We havent seen this since Elway folks.

Yep...all of you youngsters that missed Elways younger years...this is what it was like.

Go Broncos!

Orange4Life
12-26-2010, 04:04 PM
Wow that was awesome! I believe

gobroncos313
12-26-2010, 04:05 PM
Unbelievable.

We havent seen this since Elway folks.

Yep...all of you youngsters that missed Elways younger years...this is what it was like.

Go Broncos!

I second that. Put a number 7 on him in that 2nd half and it was vintage Elway.

Taco John
12-26-2010, 04:06 PM
It's all so clear now. We were destined to go through all that in order to be deserving servants of Mr. Tebow.

End of story.

Hilarious!

SonOfLe-loLang
12-26-2010, 04:06 PM
Methinks we have a quarterback...TIMMY!!!!!

zdoor
12-26-2010, 04:07 PM
Awesome!

frerottenextelway
12-26-2010, 04:07 PM
What is the Broncos biggest comeback? This one has to be close.

Taco John
12-26-2010, 04:07 PM
I absolutely can't see how there can be any doubt now. We do NOT need to reinvest in the QB position. We are set for a generation (barring injury, of course).

Williams
12-26-2010, 04:08 PM
I absolutely love the heart this kid plays with... and he just has that quality to energize everyone around him. We may finally have an elite QB, ladies and gentlemen. It's been a long time.

frerottenextelway
12-26-2010, 04:08 PM
I absolutely can't see how there can be any doubt now. We do NOT need to reinvest in the QB position. We are set for a generation (barring injury, of course).

Yep, absolutely agree.

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 04:09 PM
I second that. Put a number 7 on him in that 2nd half and it was vintage Elway.

Controlled domination.

Smart, tough plays. Clutch third down conversions. Keeping the defense off balance with his feet. Overcoming mistakes (false starts, negative plays).

I havent been this excited since the AFC championship game.

Tebow's the real deal.

razorwire77
12-26-2010, 04:10 PM
Awesome awesome ****ing awesome. He elevated the play of the entire offense. What a feeling to have a QB hit the edge and know that he's not going to be caught from behind by a defensive lineman and yanked down. OK, Pat, let's get this kid a GM, a coach, some play makers on defense and a speed burner scatback.

zdoor
12-26-2010, 04:11 PM
He brought energy and you could see it throughout the team

NYBronco
12-26-2010, 04:11 PM
Thank you Josh McDaniels for your draft day manuvering and the balls to pick this young man when everyone else was talking garbage.

Mr.Meanie
12-26-2010, 04:11 PM
It's crazy, if McD had started him 6 weeks ago he would probably still be here. What an unbelievable performance!

Taco John
12-26-2010, 04:12 PM
Thank you Josh McDaniels for your draft day manuvering and the balls to pick this young man when everyone else was talking garbage.

Also thanks for not playing him! If you did, you might still be here! ;)

OrangenBlueOhio
12-26-2010, 04:12 PM
That was a great ending. I am impressed with Tebow's play today.

How about Beurline (sp) pointing out all game how Tebow isn't in a college game. This is the NFL, blah, blah, blah. Guess Tebow shut him up.

How about Tebow pullin aside Kubes at the end of the game. What do you suppose was said? "Hey great game coach", "Yeah, you too Tim, see ya next year at training camp"

Taco John
12-26-2010, 04:12 PM
Though I get the feeling Tim could turn chicken crap into chicken salad. He might even make Josh's offense look good.

Bronco Yoda
12-26-2010, 04:13 PM
what an awesome moment.

And to top it off... don't forget our Defense stepped up and made a play too.

:)

orinjkrush
12-26-2010, 04:14 PM
how weird would it be if elway goes with luck and ditches tim.

gack.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 04:15 PM
Tebow is a star. He is a franchise quarterback.

Boy I sure hope so.

If he is an actual player, and from what we've seen he very well could be, then the turnaround will potentially be much quicker than previously feared.

Get Gruden in there to work on the offense, and for god's sake get someone to draft and coordinate the defense

Requiem
12-26-2010, 04:16 PM
Proud of you Timothy.

Pony Boy
12-26-2010, 04:17 PM
What a great stocking stuffer....... thanks Bronco's

RhymesayersDU
12-26-2010, 04:17 PM
This thread is ridiculous.

Let me preface before I get torched: I like the kid. I want him to be everything we need, and if you put a gun to my head, I'd be willing to say he'll be a good-to-great QB and not a bust.

But let's just hold off on the coronation, please. I loved the game, I loved the comeback. I did. But this is a team (the Texans) that has a defense that is probably worse than ours.

Let me again say it: I like Timmy Tebow. And I'm not trying to spin his efforts. Great game. But let's just hold off on calling him the next Elway. Please. He's going to continue to grow and I'm excited to see it. I'm excited to see the game next week against a better opponent in the San Diego Chargers.

But let's watch him some more before crowning him. Just sayin'.

Inkana7
12-26-2010, 04:22 PM
This thread is ridiculous.

Let me preface before I get torched: I like the kid. I want him to be everything we need, and if you put a gun to my head, I'd be willing to say he'll be a good-to-great QB and not a bust.

But let's just hold off on the coronation, please. I loved the game, I loved the comeback. I did. But this is a team (the Texans) that has a defense that is probably worse than ours.

Let me again say it: I like Timmy Tebow. And I'm not trying to spin his efforts. Great game. But let's just hold off on calling him the next Elway. Please. He's going to continue to grow and I'm excited to see it. I'm excited to see the game next week against a better opponent in the San Diego Chargers.

But let's watch him some more before crowning him. Just sayin'.

This is a team that has lost, and gotten blown out, to the worst of the worst in the NFL in the past 4-5 years. The worst. It didn't matter what the other team was against the rest of the NFL, they beat us more times than not. We hadn't won a game in months. We got blown out by a ****ty Arizona squad.

And this young man comes in and takes us back from a 17 point deficit, in exciting fashion.

Why not crown him? He's done what others haven't. Couldn't, even.

frerottenextelway
12-26-2010, 04:23 PM
The chants were awesome too. Love it.

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 04:24 PM
This is a team that has lost, and gotten blown out, to the worst of the worst in the NFL in the past 4-5 years. The worst. It didn't matter what the other team was against the rest of the NFL, they beat us more times than not. We hadn't won a game in months. We got blown out by a ****ty Arizona squad.

And this young man comes in and takes us back from a 17 point deficit, in exciting fashion.

Why not crown him? He's done what others haven't. Couldn't, even.

He's almost making them believers in his abilities. Theyre scared of that because they'll either have to root for him of find another team to root for.

Pony Boy
12-26-2010, 04:24 PM
So did Scrooge (Tgate-Nut) give his tickets away or did he witness this first hand?

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 04:25 PM
The chants were awesome too. Love it.

You can feel broncomania slowly building.

RhymesayersDU
12-26-2010, 04:25 PM
This is a team that has lost, and gotten blown out, to the worst of the worst in the NFL in the past 4-5 years. The worst. It didn't matter what the other team was against the rest of the NFL, they beat us more times than not. We hadn't won a game in months. We got blown out by a ****ty Arizona squad.

And this young man comes in and takes us back from a 17 point deficit, in exciting fashion.

Why not crown him? He's done what others haven't. Couldn't, even.

Nothing you said there is incorrect. I can certainly appreciate that. And you're right, no matter how bad the Texans defense is, our team has overall been worse all year.

I like Timmy T. I really do. I just want to see him play more. Fantastic game today, one of the best I've watched since the Cutler/Royal TD & 2PT a couple years ago against SD.

I just need to see more before I go crazy is all.

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 04:26 PM
So did Scrooge (Tgate-Nut) give his tickets away or did he witness this first hand?

I hope he got to see it, because it was a special moment for the franchise. He deserved to be there. And if he saw broncomania reborn there in person like the rest of us saw on TV, he'll have no choice but to join the rest of us in pulling for this kid.

GoBroncos84
12-26-2010, 04:26 PM
There hasn't been much, if any, "Mile High Magic" for a long time. Today was the epitome of it. It's a great feeling

extralife
12-26-2010, 04:27 PM
I hope he got to see it, because it was a special moment for the franchise. He deserved to be there. And if he saw broncomania reborn there in person like the rest of us saw on TV, he'll have no choice but to join the rest of us in pulling for this kid.

This is the important part. More important even than Tebow looking good is what him looking good can do for this team, which desperately needs it.

Taco John
12-26-2010, 04:28 PM
Nothing you said there is incorrect. I can certainly appreciate that. And you're right, no matter how bad the Texans defense is, our team has overall been worse all year.

I like Timmy T. I really do. I just want to see him play more. Fantastic game today, one of the best I've watched since the Cutler/Royal TD & 2PT a couple years ago against SD.

I just need to see more before I go crazy is all.



Maybe a 27 point comeback will convince you or something?

SonOfLe-loLang
12-26-2010, 04:31 PM
Nothing you said there is incorrect. I can certainly appreciate that. And you're right, no matter how bad the Texans defense is, our team has overall been worse all year.

I like Timmy T. I really do. I just want to see him play more. Fantastic game today, one of the best I've watched since the Cutler/Royal TD & 2PT a couple years ago against SD.

I just need to see more before I go crazy is all.

This is fair. But its also fair to be excited by what you saw. Second NFL start. Huge improvement over the first game. Lots of good throws today and a game winning drive. I dont care who it was against, they were playing an NFL team.

RhymesayersDU
12-26-2010, 04:31 PM
Maybe a 27 point comeback will convince you or something?

I know, I know. You're right.

I know I'm being a Debbie Downer, and I'm not trying to bash Tebow, I'm really not. I like Tebow, and I think he has a ton of potential. Again, all I'm saying is, many QBs have had great games. I remember a certain Brian Griese having an epic game against the Raiders on a Monday night.

Note: I'm not comparing Tebow to Griese. At all.

I'm just saying... I want to see more and I'm excited to see more, next week and next season.

Taco John
12-26-2010, 04:33 PM
I know, I know. You're right.

I know I'm being a Debbie Downer, and I'm not trying to bash Tebow, I'm really not. I like Tebow, and I think he has a ton of potential. Again, all I'm saying is, many QBs have had great games. I remember a certain Brian Griese having an epic game against the Raiders on a Monday night.

Note: I'm not comparing Tebow to Griese. At all.

I'm just saying... I want to see more and I'm excited to see more, next week and next season.


I have a good hunch that you're going to get to see PLENTY more of Tebow.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-26-2010, 04:33 PM
That was awesome. It was everything I imagined it could be, but 10 times better. Suck it, haters.

RhymesayersDU
12-26-2010, 04:35 PM
I have a good hunch that you're going to get to see PLENTY more of Tebow.

Well I'd certainly agree. This game locks up Tebow as the starter going into next season I'd imagine. I don't care who our coach is, I don't think there's going to be a competition with Orton or anybody else.

v2micca
12-26-2010, 04:36 PM
I will say this. If Orton had been playing, I would have turned the game off once we went down 17-0. I'm out visiting with my family that lives on the East coast. I would have spent more time with them than investing in what was looking to be the beginning of another Bronco Blowout to a crappy team. But I kept watching because it was Tebow and even if he couldn't win the game for us, at least he could make it more entertaining that the drek we had been watching the past few weeks. And man, did he reward me. That is the most fun I have had watching a Broncos game this year. Tebow has me believing.

TD4HOF
12-26-2010, 04:37 PM
I absolutely can't see how there can be any doubt now. We do NOT need to reinvest in the QB position. We are set for a generation (barring injury, of course).

Just being able to say that completely changes the tenor surrounding Dove Valley. Not a moment too soon, wow!

I cannot recall such a change in outlook surrounding any franchise within a single game in any sporting event in my lifetime, except actually winning a championship. It's almost like a micro Red Sox, Schilling in the '03 ALCS moment. Not the same, but similar in impact.

TerrElway
12-26-2010, 04:44 PM
Sure hope it is replayed on NFL network this week since they didn't show the game in Utah.

55CrushEm
12-26-2010, 04:47 PM
I will say this. If Orton had been playing, I would have turned the game off once we went down 17-0. I'm out visiting with my family that lives on the East coast. I would have spent more time with them than investing in what was looking to be the beginning of another Bronco Blowout to a crappy team. But I kept watching because it was Tebow and even if he couldn't win the game for us, at least he could make it more entertaining that the drek we had been watching the past few weeks. And man, did he reward me. That is the most fun I have had watching a Broncos game this year. Tebow has me believing.

All this. Tebow just has the "it" factor. Leadership, passion, never quit attitude.....and physically, he can do things that few other NFL QB's can.

God, I'm excited for this kid's future. I just pray that the new coaching staff wants him around. More and more, I'm hoping we hire Gruden.....for the simple fact we know he loves Tebow.

TonyR
12-26-2010, 04:48 PM
But let's just hold off on the coronation, please.

I'm with you, Rhyme. Too soon. Not many will be brave enough to admit it but I'm right there with you in being cautiously optimistic. Just like you can't label somebody a bust too soon you also can't label somebody the next big thing too soon. That being said I don't want to rain on anybody's parade. Broncos fans need something to feel good and today was a good day for that reason alone.

55CrushEm
12-26-2010, 04:53 PM
I'm with you, Rhyme. Too soon. Not many will be brave enough to admit it but I'm right there with you in being cautiously optimistic. Just like you can't label somebody a bust too soon you also can't label somebody the next big thing too soon. That being said I don't want to rain on anybody's parade. Broncos fans need something to feel good and today was a good day for that reason alone.

I hear what you and Rhyme are saying.....but the ONLY thing we've heard negative on Tebow since the draft is his throwing motion....that's it.

Well, **** that. Look at Phil Rivers' ****ed up throwing motion.

This kid has leadership qualities that I haven't seen since (dare I say it)...yes, Elway.

And that is far more important that arm strength (Jamarcus Russel) or anything physical.

But with Tebow, we get the entire package. Built like a tank, good arm strength, good accuracy, and most imporantly....leadership and passion off the charts.

His heart and drive alone are invaluable......

TD4HOF
12-26-2010, 04:55 PM
The instincts. A one of a kind personality. That size, oh, the size! Moves well, smart, rises to the occasion. Very used to having to prove himself. Did I mention his 6'3, 245 LB body yet? This is almost like Steve Young in Ray Lewis's body. No wait, I take that back, Tebow is bigger than Ray Lewis!! Can throw it short or long with accuracy, needs work on the medium stuff.

The number one thing that surprised me today was his ability to get past mistakes, his and everyone else's. Reading his body language even before the comeback was a revelation.

I'm not an overreacting type, but count me as S-O-L-D!

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 04:56 PM
I'm with you, Rhyme. Too soon. Not many will be brave enough to admit it but I'm right there with you in being cautiously optimistic. Just like you can't label somebody a bust too soon you also can't label somebody the next big thing too soon. That being said I don't want to rain on anybody's parade. Broncos fans need something to feel good and today was a good day for that reason alone.

I think that is a fair perception overall, cautious optimism is a good place to be all considered in my opinion... although I would like to add that Tebow seems to be willing (and able) to work on anything necessary in order to progress...

The pieces are all there, and I have a hard time finding reasons why he won't be able to put it all together.

Crushaholic
12-26-2010, 04:56 PM
what an awesome moment.

And to top it off... don't forget our Defense stepped up and made a play too.

:)

Who? What? Where? Oh, yeah. Cox penetrated the passing lane...

Kaylore
12-26-2010, 04:57 PM
This was so epic! I loved this game. Best Christmas present ever.

Likwid Kerruj
12-26-2010, 04:57 PM
I'm not quite on the Tebow fence yet, but I am looking at it.

Great job by him and the receivers after the catch to step it up in the second half.

Boobs McGee
12-26-2010, 04:59 PM
I'm not quite on the Tebow fence yet, but I am looking at it.

Great job by him and the receivers to step it up in the second half.

Maybe you should get on the spelling fence first, then work on the tebow fence.

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 05:00 PM
I think that is a fair perception overall, cautious optimism is a good place to be all considered in my opinion... although I would like to add that Tebow seems to be willing (and able) to work on anything necessary in order to progress...

The pieces are all there, and I have a hard time finding reasons why he won't be able to put it all together.

He put it all together today.

Today he was a 100% (bonafide) NFL star QB who led his team back from the jaws of defeat to victory.

Not even Cutler was capable of that here.

montrose
12-26-2010, 05:00 PM
Simply awesome but I'm going to temper my excitement. The Texans D does suck and I can remember similar moments with Griese (Raiders game when he ripped up his arm), Plummer (Browns game comeback) and Cutler (2pt. conversion against SD) - that with a new GM/Coach coming in: I'm trying to temper my expectations. A bit.

SureShot
12-26-2010, 05:00 PM
Like I said from the beginning the dude just wins, doubt him at your own peril.

TonyR
12-26-2010, 05:01 PM
But with Tebow, we get the entire package. Built like a tank, good arm strength, good accuracy, and most imporantly....leadership and passion off the charts.

His heart and drive alone are invaluable......

Agree. Love the kid, impossible not to. I'm just still a little bit wary of the passing abilities overall. Today made me feel a little bit better but I'm still not all the way there. But I'm along for the ride, that's for sure.

Clockwork Orange
12-26-2010, 05:04 PM
**** tempering my excitement, this kid has the goods and even better, the work ethic to get better, all while bringing leadership, energy and enthusiasm that this team has been sorely lacking.

Tebow kicks wholesale ass and this is just the beginning.

Archer81
12-26-2010, 05:04 PM
Agree. Love the kid, impossible not to. I'm just still a little bit wary of the passing abilities overall. Today made me feel a little bit better but I'm still not all the way there. But I'm along for the ride, that's for sure.


Tebow will always have an odd throwing motion. But that one 40 yard bomb to lloyd was all arm. Impressive. The more work he gets, the crisper his throws will become.

:Broncos:

jsco70
12-26-2010, 05:05 PM
I'm all in. The Tim Tebow era has begun.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:06 PM
He put it all together today.

Today he was a 100% (bonafide) NFL star QB who led his team back from the jaws of defeat to victory.

Not even Cutler was capable of that here.

Cutler had multiple comeback wins actually.

I'm speaking more to the idea of Tebow becoming an every down passing QB really... he's not quite there yet, super rough around the edges, but the ability and willingness seems to be there.

Kaylore
12-26-2010, 05:07 PM
Let's go easy on the Waltonisms, llama. Tebow played great but he made a lot of mistakes. He has a lot of room to grow.

Hulamau
12-26-2010, 05:08 PM
I absolutely can't see how there can be any doubt now. We do NOT need to reinvest in the QB position. We are set for a generation (barring injury, of course).

Agree here, its even fine we won and drop a notch or two in the draft. Just grab Peterson or Fraily... No need for the Andrew Luck debate.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:08 PM
Agree. Love the kid, impossible not to. I'm just still a little bit wary of the passing abilities overall. Today made me feel a little bit better but I'm still not all the way there. But I'm along for the ride, that's for sure.

One thing that has surprised me has been his ability to hit guys in stride.

Such a simple, yet important factor.

TonyR
12-26-2010, 05:08 PM
He put it all together today.

Today he was a 100% (bonafide) NFL star QB..

Simply awesome but I'm going to temper my excitement. The Texans D does suck and I can remember similar moments with Griese (Raiders game when he ripped up his arm), Plummer (Browns game comeback) and Cutler (2pt. conversion against SD)...

The juxtapostion between one fan's unbridled hyperbole and another's prudent rationality is fascinating, isnt' it?!?

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 05:08 PM
Cutler had multiple comeback wins actually.

Cutler never rallied the troops like this and he never did so with a transient coaching staff who are flying by the seat of their pants from one week to the next.

Nothing against Cutler, but Tebow's rookie performance dwarfs anything that Cutler did in his rookie year here.

Inkana7
12-26-2010, 05:09 PM
Cutler had multiple comeback wins actually.


Oh God. You just had to, didn't you?

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 05:10 PM
The juxtapostion between one fan's unbridled hyperbole and another's prudent rationality is fascinating, isnt' it?!?

You wouldnt know what "juxtaposition" meant if I didnt post the word here.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:10 PM
Cutler never rallied the troops like this and he never did so with a transient coaching staff who are flying by the seat of their pants from one week to the next.

Nothing against Cutler, but Tebow's rookie performance dwarfs anything that Cutler did in his rookie year here.

Eh.

If Tebow turns out to be on par with Cutler, I'd be happy. If he somehow becomes a better player, we would all have to be ecstatic.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:11 PM
Oh God. You just had to, didn't you?

Hyperbole was used, so I set the record straight. Get on the guy who brought it up if it bothers you so much.

Gort
12-26-2010, 05:11 PM
Like I said from the beginning the dude just wins, doubt him at your own peril.

yep! Tebow has shown in 2 games that he has the ability and willingness to improvise and make something out of nothing. the minute a play falls apart for Orton, he falls down and curls up in the fetal position. and with Cutler, he believed that his arm was a miracle worker and would routinely throw into triple coverage in the redzone and more often than not turn the ball over. i don't think we have to worry about Tebow making those mistakes. Tebow improvises with his feet and that reminds me of Elway. alot.

he needs to keep learning and getting better, but i'm seeing glimpses of a guy who could become the face of this franchise for the next 10 years.

heck, he can even throw left-handed passes, which is something neither Orton or Plummer could accomplish. ROFL!

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 05:11 PM
Eh.

If Tebow turns out to be on par with Cutler, I'd be happy. If he somehow becomes a better player, we would all have to be ecstatic.

He's already better than Jay was at any point during his rookie season here.

Inkana7
12-26-2010, 05:11 PM
Eh.

If Tebow turns out to be on par with Cutler, I'd be happy. If he somehow becomes a better player, we would all have to be ecstatic.

It's sad that our franchise's bar is set at "get a QB who can get over .500"

Likwid Kerruj
12-26-2010, 05:12 PM
He's already better than Jay was at any point during his rookie season here.

Ha!

TonyR
12-26-2010, 05:13 PM
Another great thing about Tebow, and this has been discussed a little bit before, is that he's really bringing the fans together. We still have our squabbles about Shanahan and Hillis and McD and Orton and Moreno, but I think we're fairly unified in our support and hope for Tebow. And this at a position that usually brings a lot of disagreement. Cats and dogs, living together!

Hulamau
12-26-2010, 05:13 PM
Simply awesome but I'm going to temper my excitement. The Texans D does suck and I can remember similar moments with Griese (Raiders game when he ripped up his arm), Plummer (Browns game comeback) and Cutler (2pt. conversion against SD) - that with a new GM/Coach coming in: I'm trying to temper my expectations. A bit.

This was only his second game Montrose without a 'real' coach! And he came back from 17 down at the half.

Yes he needs to continue improving, but this is a HUGE notch in his gun handle and he played SMART football out there for the most part as well. Was poised. knew when to run out of bounds and throw it away.

Was quite accurate as well and throws a nice long ball. True, its only one game but did you notice the energy he brought to the whole team?! That isn't a fluke and you cant teach or buy that.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:14 PM
It's sad that our franchise's bar is set at "get a QB who can get over .500"

you're stuck in 2008.

As Cutler has proven for anybody willing to watch, football is a team game, and he is definitely more than capable of being a winning QB on a team with any semblance of a defense.

The great Peyton Manning is struggling to make the playoffs this year despite having fine statistics- take a look at how many points the indy defense has given up, and you will understand why.

Inkana7
12-26-2010, 05:15 PM
As Cutler has proven for anybody willing to watch, football is a team game, and he is definitely more than capable of being a winning QB on a team with any semblance of a defense.

The great Peyton Manning is struggling to make the playoffs this year despite having fine statistics- take a look at how many points the indy defense has given up, and you will understand why.

It couldn't also have anything to do with Peyton's stretch of ****ty play too, could it?

TonyR
12-26-2010, 05:16 PM
Cutler never rallied the troops like this and he never did so with a transient coaching staff who are flying by the seat of their pants from one week to the next.

Nothing against Cutler, but Tebow's rookie performance dwarfs anything that Cutler did in his rookie year here.

I didn't know it was possible but you actually made a really good point here. Tebow did this with in the midst of a clusterfock which makes it all the more impressive. If he looks impressive against the chargers next week I'll be all in.

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 05:18 PM
This was only his second game Montrose without a 'real' coach! And he came back from 17 down at the half.

Yes he needs to continue improving, but this is a HUGE notch in his gun handle and he played SMART football out there for the most part as well. Was poised. knew when to run out of bounds and throw it away.

Was quite accurate as well and throws a nice long ball. True, its only one game but did you notice the energy he brought to the whole team?! That isn't a fluke and you cant teach or buy that.

The stadium was in full Mile High mode with spontaneous chants and all. It was alot of fun to see.

Bronco Yoda
12-26-2010, 05:19 PM
Plus he didn't really have a great 1st half. Made plenty of rookie mistakes. And still found a way to pull out a win.

Great moment. Wow. Sky's the limit folks.

Archer81
12-26-2010, 05:19 PM
The stadium was in full Mile High mode with spontaneous chants and all. It was alot of fun to see.


Cameras were shaking and the announcers and refs were drowned out, too. Memories...

The "new" stadium is just as loud as the old one was. We just needed a reason to break that out.

:Broncos:

atomicbloke
12-26-2010, 05:21 PM
Damn....

The worst possible Sunday to be on a plane and miss the game :(

Bronco Yoda
12-26-2010, 05:22 PM
Did everyone see Kuper talking to Tebow after that last TD. Wonder what he was saying. Bet it had something to with 'thanks for covering up for my ****ty penalty at the 1 yard line'. Kuper almost lost us that game with that stupid penalty.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:22 PM
It couldn't also have anything to do with Peyton's stretch of ****ty play too, could it?

He is the same QB.

Injuries to his receivers and crap defense have done that team in, not Peyton Manning.

Inkana7
12-26-2010, 05:25 PM
He is the same QB.

Injuries to his receivers and crap defense have done that team in, not Peyton Manning.

So a team's performance has nothing to do with how a QB plays, at all? Is that what you're trying to say?

broncocalijohn
12-26-2010, 05:26 PM
Dont you think a big moment was the whole 2nd half? Defense gives up 6 points and instead of a Renoldo Hill pass interference, Wink adjusts and tells the front line to start putting their hands up. Results? A punt and an int to end the game. Great job all around and that also includes STs (#90), Ball and Bucky, lloyd and Gaffney, Tebow of course and the whole offensive line who finally gave Tebow much needed time to get the points on the board. Only major grip that ended up not mattering was not stopping the clock with :44 seconds left in the 1st half. We had 3 timouts and a kickoff to get us at least a chance for 3 points. All in all, never give up attitude and good coaching and playing.

Gort
12-26-2010, 05:27 PM
Did everyone see Kuper talking to Tebow after that last TD. Wonder what he was saying. Bet it had something to with 'thanks for covering up for my ****ty penalty at the 1 yard line'. Kuper almost lost us that game with that stupid penalty.

admit it... for the first time since about midway through the 2006 season, you actually thought the odds were better than 50%-50% that the Broncos would score from there, even after the penalty. during the Cutler/Orton eras, we would have failed to get the ball across the goal line and settled for a FG. we finally a guy who can get the ball across the goal line when in the red zone.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:28 PM
So a team's performance has nothing to do with how a QB plays, at all? Is that what you're trying to say?

Obviously not what I am saying whatsoever.

What is it about the idea of football as a team game is so difficult a concept for some of you?

SonOfLe-loLang
12-26-2010, 05:29 PM
He's already better than Jay was at any point during his rookie season here.

Well, i dunno about that. Was that awesome game Jay had against AZ his second start? Or was it his third?

Inkana7
12-26-2010, 05:32 PM
Obviously not what I am saying whatsoever.

What is it about the idea of football as a team game is so difficult a concept for some of you?

No, I'm pretty sure that's what you are saying.

You brought up the example of the Colts struggling this year, despite having Peyton Manning. Yet part of their struggles came in games such as the ones against San Diego and Dallas, where Manning threw 8 picks, 4 of which went for 6 the other way. That's clearly the QB's fault. Dwight Freeney or Blair White weren't the ones throwing those terrible passes. That was on their QB.

I know it's easy to blame our abortion of a defense for our struggles while Cutler was here, but he had his share of terrible ****ing plays too.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-26-2010, 05:34 PM
Let's go easy on the Waltonisms, llama. Tebow played great but he made a lot of mistakes. He has a lot of room to grow.

I think this speaks to the most exciting part about him. He has tons to work on (im not sure he threw a short pass i nthe middle of the field all game, but had a great game. Second start in the NFL, there's a lot to like out there.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:38 PM
No, I'm pretty sure that's what you are saying.

You brought up the example of the Colts struggling this year, despite having Peyton Manning. Yet part of their struggles came in games such as the ones against San Diego and Dallas, where Manning threw 8 picks, 4 of which went for 6 the other way. That's clearly the QB's fault. Dwight Freeney or Blair White weren't the ones throwing those terrible passes. That was on their QB.

I know it's easy to blame our abortion of a defense for our struggles while Cutler was here, but he had his share of terrible ****ing plays too.

Do you really fail to understand what an effect losing players like Dallas Clark and Austin Collie, along with the defense giving up 368 points has had on that team?

I agree- Manning has had a few bad games- but that has as much to do with the loss of key players and subsequent play of inexperienced or less talented personnel than it does with Peyton Manning. If your point is that Manning suddenly has become a lesser QB, which is clearly what you seem to be saying, you'd be 100% wrong.

Cutler is just another example of this- football is a team sport, wherein the QB is definitely the most important piece, but still a piece, reliant on other pieces in order to be truly and consistently successful.

Broncos fans should know this, having experienced John Elways' career

fdf
12-26-2010, 05:40 PM
Who? What? Where? Oh, yeah. Cox penetrated the passing lane...

The tipped pass on Houston's last drive that Thompson intercepted. Houston would almost certainly have kicked a field goal with less than two minutes left, had that not occurred. They also held Houston to 6 points in the second half. So they did OK.

By recent standards, that's pretty darn good.

broncocalijohn
12-26-2010, 05:40 PM
Well, i dunno about that. Was that awesome game Jay had against AZ his second start? Or was it his third?

first game. I was there. Or was it just his first win? I give up.

Inkana7
12-26-2010, 05:42 PM
Do you really fail to understand what an effect losing players like Dallas Clark and Austin Collie, along with the defense giving up 368 points has had on that team?

I agree- Manning has had a few bad games- but that has as much to do with the loss of key players and subsequent play of inexperienced or less talented personnel than it does with Peyton Manning. If your point is that Manning suddenly has become a lesser QB, which is clearly what you seem to be saying, you'd be 100% wrong.

Cutler is just another example of this- football is a team sport, wherein the QB is definitely the most important piece, but still a piece, reliant on other pieces in order to be truly and consistently successful.

Broncos fans should know this, having experienced John Elways' career

Of course I understand this, but you seem to keep contending that a QB is completely stationary in their play, and is totally dependent on every other part of his team, and can never be held accountable for their team's losses.

Not true.

Inkana7
12-26-2010, 05:43 PM
first game. I was there. Or was it just his first win? I give up.

First win. Jay lost to Seattle and then San Diego before beating a Matt Leinart-led AZ team.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:46 PM
Of course I understand this, but you seem to keep contending that a QB is completely stationary in their play, and is totally dependent on every other part of his team, and can never be held accountable for their team's losses.

Not true.

Not what I am trying to say at all- but in the case of Peyton Manning, who is as consistently good as there is in the league, I think it has more to do with the play of his team and in particular receivers than it has to do with him.

conversely, I think Manning depends on superb OL play more than anybody outside of Tom Brady in the NFL. Both are statues, and Brady is particularly vulnerable on the rare occasion that a defense gets a rush on him up the middle.

The point is that a guy like Cutler, just like anybody else at QB, needs a modicum of play around him in order to be successful- he is proving this fact in spades this year in Chicago. Suddenly he is being seen as a winner, and in reality getting Urlacher back and a better OC in place has as much to do with this perception as anything else

listopencil
12-26-2010, 05:51 PM
I missed the game. Blah. Last I heard we were down 17-23, when I got home my son walked up to me and said, "We just won by a point!" I busted up laughing and we both said "Dammit Tebow!" at the same time. Good time to be a Bronco fan finally.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-26-2010, 05:52 PM
I missed the game. Blah. Last I heard we were down 17-23, when I got home my son walked up to me and said, "We just won by a point!" I busted up laughing and we both said "Dammit Tebow!" at the same time. Good time to be a Bronco fan finally.

You need to repent. Watch the game 5 times and say 10 Hail Marys.

listopencil
12-26-2010, 05:56 PM
You need to repent. Watch the game 5 times and say 10 Hail Marys.

If at all possible I absolutely will.

Tim
12-26-2010, 06:06 PM
That was the best game i've been to at invesco. The stadium wasn't full but it was loud, probably louder than any game since the home win in 08 vs san diego (Hochuli). I think there are more #15 tebow jerseys than any other player on the team by far too.

ScottXray
12-26-2010, 06:10 PM
What is the Broncos biggest comeback? This one has to be close.
24 points against the seahawks, in 79 I think.

TotallyScrewed
12-26-2010, 06:16 PM
Not to rain on the parade...

What are we going to do about next week?? Can we still get a top five with a win over San Diego? Those pansies have completely collapsed and it's obviously Tebow time.

RhymesayersDU
12-26-2010, 06:19 PM
Not to rain on the parade...

What are we going to do about next week?? Can we still get a top five with a win over San Diego? Those pansies have completely collapsed and it's obviously Tebow time.

Next week is a hell of a spot to be in. I want Tebow to continue to grow, and him to do well, win, etc. But a loss really benefits us more in the long run. A loss locks us into the #2 spot. As I understand it, we could fall to as low as 10 with a win.

Broncobiv
12-26-2010, 06:19 PM
Not to rain on the parade...

What are we going to do about next week?? Can we still get a top five with a win over San Diego? Those pansies have completely collapsed and it's obviously Tebow time.

I'd rather not have to pay a top-5 pick, so no big deal to me if we fall to the 6/7/8 range!

THE719!
12-26-2010, 06:22 PM
I think Some people are jumping over board.... then again it is bronco fans

Dr. Broncenstein
12-26-2010, 06:23 PM
I'd rather go out with a win against anyone. Especially Sandy Eggo. Bonus points for dropping us out of the top 5 draft pick, and all that come with it.

DarkHorse30
12-26-2010, 06:24 PM
from the opening kickoff, you could tell something was a little bit different. Then when Tebow led his opening drive and threw a pick in the endzone......I was irritated but not shocked. I bet the next time he has Lloyd in the endzone like that he skies him a ball and he brings it down for a score.

The defense surprised me in the second half, by showing up. Also the OC playcalling was so much better than I've seen this year. When things were working, they didn't go away from it and they adjusted and threw more screens than I can remember in a game......and especially that quick fake to the right and then screen to the left. THOSE were the sort of plays I expected from the former-coach-who-will-not-be-named. Maybe McCoy ain't so bad.

Great game, should be a fun week to read all the conjecture.

RhymesayersDU
12-26-2010, 06:24 PM
Next week is a hell of a spot to be in. I want Tebow to continue to grow, and him to do well, win, etc. But a loss really benefits us more in the long run. A loss locks us into the #2 spot. As I understand it, we could fall to as low as 10 with a win.

Actually I re-read the Draft post; apparently we can't drop to lower than #5. I'm good with that, I think. Hopefully we win I suppose. Although #2 would still be nice.

cabronco
12-26-2010, 06:24 PM
I also noticed Tebow also has that innate sense of defenders closing in on him. I saw it today and Tim stepped up into the pocket while the guy just mised him. Alot of Qb's have it, but some dont. I like what I see from him, now lets focus on the Defense in the next drafts.

yerner
12-26-2010, 06:29 PM
Ehh.. good game. Certainly has a unique presence. Too bad he still throws like a girl.

txtebow
12-26-2010, 06:30 PM
Told you. ALL OF YOU.

Eldorado
12-26-2010, 06:32 PM
No, I'm pretty sure that's what you are saying.

You brought up the example of the Colts struggling this year, despite having Peyton Manning. Yet part of their struggles came in games such as the ones against San Diego and Dallas, where Manning threw 8 picks, 4 of which went for 6 the other way. That's clearly the QB's fault. Dwight Freeney or Blair White weren't the ones throwing those terrible passes. That was on their QB.

I know it's easy to blame our abortion of a defense for our struggles while Cutler was here, but he had his share of terrible ****ing plays too.



Do you really fail to understand what an effect losing players like Dallas Clark and Austin Collie, along with the defense giving up 368 points has had on that team?

I agree- Manning has had a few bad games- but that has as much to do with the loss of key players and subsequent play of inexperienced or less talented personnel than it does with Peyton Manning. If your point is that Manning suddenly has become a lesser QB, which is clearly what you seem to be saying, you'd be 100% wrong.

Cutler is just another example of this- football is a team sport, wherein the QB is definitely the most important piece, but still a piece, reliant on other pieces in order to be truly and consistently successful.

Broncos fans should know this, having experienced John Elways' career

Any chance you two fvck sticks could go fist each other in another thread?

Dagmar
12-26-2010, 06:34 PM
I lost power as we were driving to the game winning touchdown.

Facepalm xcel.

DivineBronco
12-26-2010, 06:35 PM
I'd rather not have to pay a top-5 pick, so no big deal to me if we fall to the 6/7/8 range!

ahhhh but this is the beauty the one thing we can almost count on coming out of the new CBA is a rookie pay scale.......this could be the perfect year for this

Broncobiv
12-26-2010, 06:39 PM
ahhhh but this is the beauty the one thing we can almost count on coming out of the new CBA is a rookie pay scale.......this could be the perfect year for this

God I hope so! The best part of the NBA is the way they pay their rookies!

Jesterhole
12-26-2010, 06:42 PM
I'll say that it feels really good to hope for a play to break down one in a while so we can see some magic happen.

Tebow reminded me of McNair today. Not the shiniest guy, or the most polished, but tough and a winner. A playmaker.

Jesterhole
12-26-2010, 06:46 PM
Ehh.. good game. Certainly has a unique presence. Too bad he still throws like a girl.

Girls can't throw 40 yards while running.

epicSocialism4tw
12-26-2010, 06:49 PM
I'll say that it feels really good to hope for a play to break down one in a while so we can see some magic happen.

Tebow reminded me of McNair today. Not the shiniest guy, or the most polished, but tough and a winner. A playmaker.

Good comparison.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 06:50 PM
I'd rather not have to pay a top-5 pick, so no big deal to me if we fall to the 6/7/8 range!

agree

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 06:51 PM
I'll say that it feels really good to hope for a play to break down one in a while so we can see some magic happen.

Tebow reminded me of McNair today. Not the shiniest guy, or the most polished, but tough and a winner. A playmaker.

That is a great comparison, I hadn't thought of that- he completely reminds me of McNair now that I think about it

DivineBronco
12-26-2010, 06:53 PM
That is a great comparison, I hadn't thought of that- he completely reminds me of McNair now that I think about it

it is like mcnair without the ummmmmmmm........other life let us call it that

broncosteven
12-26-2010, 07:00 PM
I don't know if Tebow is going to win a SB or have the type of career that Elway had. His release and throwing motion seem very slow on TV but his athleticism that Orton does not have makes up for his lack of arm strength and he seems to make a lot of good decisions.

I didn't get to see the 1st half at all and only 17 points of the comeback (including the last) but it was fun to watch in the 2nd half.

This was the type of Mile High Magic I have missed since John retired and it was a nice Christmas present.

Now DRAFT DL to help the kid out in April!

footstepsfrom#27
12-26-2010, 07:32 PM
Told you. ALL OF YOU.
Yeah? Where? Go home bandwagon jumper.

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Spider
12-26-2010, 07:36 PM
What is the Broncos biggest comeback? This one has to be close.

Morton 1979 vs the seahags 20+ points ...... Morton played the second half that game ,Norris wiesse was the starter

broncosteven
12-26-2010, 07:44 PM
Morton 1979 vs the seahags 20+ points ...... Morton played the second half that game ,Norris wiesse was the starter

I was thinking about the 19 point comeback by Elway in the early 90's vs KFC but that was all in the 4th Q. Tebow hasn't pulled anything like that off yet but it would be fun to see him do it in the future.

Spider
12-26-2010, 07:46 PM
I was thinking about the 19 point comeback by Elway in the early 90's vs KFC but that was all in the 4th Q. Tebow hasn't pulled anything like that off yet but it would be fun to see him do it in the future.

Yeah , that was a game no doubt .... But what makes this come back so impressive..... elway , Morton , were pros when they did it ..... Tebow only 2 nd game in rookie year ........ cant even begin to tell ya how bad ass that is

broncosteven
12-26-2010, 07:51 PM
Yeah , that was a game no doubt .... But what makes this come back so impressive..... elway , Morton , were pros when they did it ..... Tebow only 2 nd game in rookie year ........ cant even begin to tell ya how bad ass that is

What is bad assed is that he doesn't look lost like a lot of rookies in their 2nd game. I didn't see the 1st half but he looked poised in the 2nd and I am not sure what mCd didn't see to keep him on the bench.

There are some nice QB's coming into their own in the league and the NFL and players union would be best served to settle their dispute before they hose up a potential gold mine.

Spider
12-26-2010, 07:54 PM
What is bad assed is that he doesn't look lost like a lot of rookies in their 2nd game. I didn't see the 1st half but he looked poised in the 2nd and I am not sure what mCd didn't see to keep him on the bench.

There are some nice QB's coming into their own in the league and the NFL and players union would be best served to settle their dispute before they hose up a potential gold mine.

^5 agreed

Archer81
12-26-2010, 07:54 PM
What is bad assed is that he doesn't look lost like a lot of rookies in their 2nd game. I didn't see the 1st half but he looked poised in the 2nd and I am not sure what mCd didn't see to keep him on the bench.

There are some nice QB's coming into their own in the league and the NFL and players union would be best served to settle their dispute before they hose up a potential gold mine.


It does make you wonder why McDaniels purposely kept Tim on the bench. He did not look like a rookie in the second half. 50 yard bomb to Gaffney, Lloyd all over the place, running game clicking. We looked like the Broncos this afternoon.

:Broncos:

Broncobiv
12-26-2010, 07:56 PM
Don't any of you think that Tebow didn't look like a "rookie" out there BECAUSE McD kept him on the bench to study and learn for 13 games? I think it was a very good move by McD.

broncosteven
12-26-2010, 07:58 PM
It does make you wonder why McDaniels purposely kept Tim on the bench. He did not look like a rookie in the second half. 50 yard bomb to Gaffney, Lloyd all over the place, running game clicking. We looked like the Broncos this afternoon.

:Broncos:

I am so happy that the McStake is gone and we are getting some win's at home again. It feels good to be a Bronco fan again.

Dagmar
12-26-2010, 07:58 PM
Don't any of you think that Tebow didn't look like a "rookie" out there BECAUSE McD kept him on the bench to study and learn for 13 games? I think it was a very good move by McD.

Josh didn't do anything good ever ever ever.

ColoradoDarin
12-26-2010, 08:01 PM
Not to over sell it, but Tebow seems to me is a guy who would sell his pool table should he lose a game on it.

broncosteven
12-26-2010, 08:03 PM
Don't any of you think that Tebow didn't look like a "rookie" out there BECAUSE McD kept him on the bench to study and learn for 13 games? I think it was a very good move by McD.

What is the difference between 13, 12, 11, 10-0 games? We will never know if he was ready to go in the 1st week of the season but it took an injury for the current staff to put him in and he did well when called on.

I think the rookie sitting thing should be based on the player, some guys can handle being put out there and pummelled like Elway was early in his career. Then you have guys who are never ready.

broncosteven
12-26-2010, 08:05 PM
Josh didn't do anything good ever ever ever.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Broncobiv
12-26-2010, 08:06 PM
Whether he was ready or not in Week 1 (something we'll never know), I don't think it can hurt a rookie QB to sit and learn from the sidelines for half a season, or 13 games, or a full season. It's not like we've stunted Tebow's development by sitting him for the first 13 weeks.

He looks good out there right now, and I'm not going to sit here and complain that he should've been out there starting in September. I'm going to sit here and believe that he learned a lot from the bench and now he is better off for it!

Dagmar
12-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Truer words have never been spoken.

Yup, the 25th pick in last years draft, what a waste.

Broncobiv
12-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Truer words have never been spoken.

Except draft Timmy Tebow, right? Hilarious!

Archer81
12-26-2010, 08:07 PM
What I like is in the 1st qtr, Tim throws a pick. In the 2nd half, similar situations (redzone), rather than zip it in, he gave the receivers chances to make plays without risking a turnover. The goal was points, he did not push it and let the play develop however it was going to. It seemed like he learned that in 45 minutes of play...

A QB who shall not be named did not learn that in 3 years...

:Broncos:

broncosteven
12-26-2010, 08:09 PM
Whether he was ready or not in Week 1 (something we'll never know), I don't think it can hurt a rookie QB to sit and learn from the sidelines for half a season, or 13 games, or a full season. It's not like we've stunted Tebow's development by sitting him for the first 13 weeks.

He looks good out there right now, and I'm not going to sit here and complain that he should've been out there starting in September. I'm going to sit here and believe that he learned a lot from the bench and now he is better off for it!

I am just happy to see a 1st round pick over the last 2 years contributing to the team.

Archer81
12-26-2010, 08:10 PM
I am just happy to see a 1st round pick over the last 2 years contributing to the team.


Ayres, Moreno and Thomas have contributed...

If they can stay on the field, then that is not an entirely bad quartet the last two seasons.

:Broncos:

vercingetorix
12-26-2010, 08:14 PM
admit it... for the first time since about midway through the 2006 season, you actually thought the odds were better than 50%-50% that the Broncos would score from there, even after the penalty. during the Cutler/Orton eras, we would have failed to get the ball across the goal line and settled for a FG. we finally a guy who can get the ball across the goal line when in the red zone.

Cutler had his moments where he led comebacks but none of them were really like this. First of all, I dont think any of them were from 17 points down. When he was on, he was on, and it didnt usually involve getting up off the mat after being 17 down...but there were some amazing drives.

But secondly, things werent as bleak in 2006. This year has been some hard times and the team had every reason to lose today the same way it had so many times this year. I dont think Im going out on a limb by pointing out what a massive difference Tebow makes both in terms of what he can do and the extra something he brings. I mean, this is a down and out team...or at least it has been until last Sunday.

broncosteven
12-26-2010, 08:18 PM
Ayres, Moreno and Thomas have contributed...

If they can stay on the field, then that is not an entirely bad quartet the last two seasons.

:Broncos:

Thomas has 2 TDs and 200 yards receiving.

Ayers has 1.5 sacks for his Career.

KM...well he does show up to play KFC...

I agree there is a lot of upside there but that trio hasn't shown much yet for being picked where they were.

Archer81
12-26-2010, 08:23 PM
Thomas has 2 TDs and 200 yards receiving.

Ayers has 1.5 sacks for his Career.

KM...well he does show up to play KFC...

I agree there is a lot of upside there but that trio hasn't shown much yet for being picked where they were.


I think Ayres would be better served playing DE in a 4-3. Moreno has produced, but not what you would expect for the 12th overall pick. Thomas has the ability to be special. Tebow is Tebow. Moreno, Thomas and Tebow will make things interesting next year, I think.

:Broncos:

broncofan2438
12-26-2010, 08:38 PM
Great game. So glad that Tebow finished that off. But lets be serious, we need help in the defense department. Cant wait to get Doom back and draft some defensive monsters

broncocalijohn
12-26-2010, 08:52 PM
Don't any of you think that Tebow didn't look like a "rookie" out there BECAUSE McD kept him on the bench to study and learn for 13 games? I think it was a very good move by McD.

Funny, are you TSIguy's second account? We have no clue because many times McDaniels didnt make sense to any of us. Raiders blowout loss and Chiefs blowout wins are two games he could have played the 4th quarter. If not him, then Quinn. McD didnt is all in McD's head and I wouldnt try to guess why he never gave him even a series to play.

Drek
12-26-2010, 09:04 PM
Thomas has 2 TDs and 200 yards receiving.
And was a dominant force in our win over the Seahawks, has shown serious potential as a return man, and likely would have a lot more receiving numbers if Lloyd wasn't having one of the two or three best years of any WR in the NFL this season.

Ayers has 1.5 sacks for his Career.
The "three year project" who in his second year has been the best run stopper in our front seven and arguably the best player in our front seven up until he broke his foot? Playing with a revolving door at DE and NT other than Bannan in front of him, at SILB next to him, and WOLB opposite him. Sure beats the pants off of guys like Jarvis Moss and George Foster. I won't go into the Middlebrooks types.

KM...well he does show up to play KFC...
And against everyone else, even if he's injured and shouldn't suit up. Last year the knock was his YPC, he bumped that up from 3.8 to 4.2 despite injuries and significantly worse OL play while also getting more involved in the passing game. But he's missed a few games due to injury this season so now he's "injury prone".

I agree there is a lot of upside there but that trio hasn't shown much yet for being picked where they were.
Little too early to grade them yet I'd say. But all three have gotten on the field during meaningful games and been productive for us. Thats more than you can say for a lot of first round picks we've seen come through Denver over the past decade or so.

But back on topic. Tim Tebow is the future of this franchise and I think efforts like last week and today should illustrate that quite clearly to any coach and GM we might bring in. Its games like this that make Bowlen's and Elway's job this winter much, much easier. If Tebow was struggling in his late season games but they believed in him potential candidates would likely pay the requisite lip service but without real devotion to the idea of having Tebow be their franchise leader. Performances like this only helps to make more true believers in Tebow, increasing the talent pool we can draw from and increasing their commitment to making Tebow work.

Keep in mind that the same coaching staff who got us absolutely SHELLACKED by Arizona at home a few weeks ago coached this game too. They also coached the woefully safe game plan against Oakland. The offensive coaching staff is not doing Tim any great favors. His potential is off the charts if we pair him with the right coaching staff.

BigPlayShay
12-26-2010, 11:16 PM
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Cito Pelon
12-26-2010, 11:24 PM
Tebow will always have an odd throwing motion. But that one 40 yard bomb to lloyd was all arm. Impressive. The more work he gets, the crisper his throws will become.

:Broncos:

Eh, tightening up the throwing motion can't hurt, but he's bona fide. He looks a little awkward at times, but he's still pretty accurate. Seems to throw a real nice deep pass. He has all the tools in the box, looks like.

The big deal I guess is his drive, his leadership, to go along with the physical skills. I like this guy a lot, I think he'll win a lot of NFl games. He doesn't look lost out there, he has this thing where he's gonna make SOMETHING happen. And I think he has the awareness to throw the ball away at times. He just has command of the game it looks like, doesn't seem to get rattled, keeps his confidence. Man, the guy just has presence out there on the field.

Williams
12-26-2010, 11:29 PM
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Hilarious!

Hamrob
12-26-2010, 11:48 PM
Just some thoughts:

I hope we find a way to beat the Chargers and end this season on a high note
That would mean that Tebow is 2-1 going into the offseason
Tebow is going to have growing pains
Picking #5 instead of #2 should allow us to either trade back or take a Dlineman
I really don't want a CB (although I respect Peterson's talent)
We need a pass catching TE...can Quinn develop quickly?
I haven't felt like I did today...since #7 was behind center

Cito Pelon
12-26-2010, 11:49 PM
I don't know if Tebow is going to win a SB or have the type of career that Elway had. His release and throwing motion seem very slow on TV but his athleticism that Orton does not have makes up for his lack of arm strength and he seems to make a lot of good decisions.

I didn't get to see the 1st half at all and only 17 points of the comeback (including the last) but it was fun to watch in the 2nd half.

This was the type of Mile High Magic I have missed since John retired and it was a nice Christmas present.

Now DRAFT DL to help the kid out in April!

Lack of arm strength??????

Cito Pelon
12-27-2010, 12:00 AM
I think Ayres would be better served playing DE in a 4-3. Moreno has produced, but not what you would expect for the 12th overall pick. Thomas has the ability to be special. Tebow is Tebow. Moreno, Thomas and Tebow will make things interesting next year, I think.

:Broncos:

I'm disappoined with Ayers, he has no passrush moves. I'm skeptical he's ever gonna be a sack guy be it 4-3 or 3-4. Moreno I'm ok with, any RB needs holes to run through, and he hasn't had holes worth a damn. Beybey I think will have a real good career, he has skills galore.

snowspot66
12-27-2010, 12:24 AM
I'm disappoined with Ayers, he has no passrush moves. I'm skeptical he's ever gonna be a sack guy be it 4-3 or 3-4. Moreno I'm ok with, any RB needs holes to run through, and he hasn't had holes worth a damn. Beybey I think will have a real good career, he has skills galore.

I agree that he probably will never be a major sack guy but, even with lack of decent coaching, the guy does have the ability to get there even if it's a step late. That might not seem like much but if we pair him with somebody who is good at it he could do some damage when the QB is flushed out of position. That's another reason why it was so disappointing to lose Elvis for the year. Ayers may never be a superstar but I think he can be very effective if we give him somebody to play with who is worth a damn.

mhgaffney
12-27-2010, 12:32 AM
Let's hope Champ decides to stick around -- and play on Tebow's team.

Then we won't need to draft a CB -- and can focus on other needs.

mhgaffney
12-27-2010, 12:34 AM
Ayers is about strength -- not moves.

Ayers is not the problem. We just need several additional premier D players.

Cito Pelon
12-27-2010, 12:58 AM
I agree that he probably will never be a major sack guy but, even with lack of decent coaching, the guy does have the ability to get there even if it's a step late. That might not seem like much but if we pair him with somebody who is good at it he could do some damage when the QB is flushed out of position. That's another reason why it was so disappointing to lose Elvis for the year. Ayers may never be a superstar but I think he can be very effective if we give him somebody to play with who is worth a damn.

Well, he needs another year at least. Guys like Kampmann, Hali and quite a few others really never became sack guys until their 4th year. I'm just disappointed so far, but patience is a virtue.

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 05:53 AM
So did Scrooge (Tgate-Nut) give his tickets away or did he witness this first hand?


Oh, go suck on a cork.LOL I have missed two games in the last 18 years.

I was there with the "congregation", although I didn't drink the sacred wine quite yet. The lady (not regular ticket holder) next to me was part of the DenverTebowsFanGroup and was screaming everytime the savior stepped on the field, So after listenng to her squeal for a couple of quarters I told her:"you know, you Tebow fans have a lot of spirit but no sense because you should shut up when we have the ball". Her reply: But[/B[B]]....I'm soooo excited"

Pardon me while I barf.ROFL!

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 05:57 AM
Another great thing about Tebow, and this has been discussed a little bit before, is that he's really bringing the fans together. We still have our squabbles about Shanahan and Hillis and McD and Orton and Moreno, but I think we're fairly unified in our support and hope for Tebow. And this at a position that usually brings a lot of disagreement. Cats and dogs, living together!

Where did you READ this?

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 05:59 AM
The stadium was in full Mile High mode with spontaneous chants and all. It was alot of fun to see.


Let's not turn this into some kind of fantasy on your part.

Not even!

Dr. Broncenstein
12-27-2010, 06:00 AM
http://www.deshow.net/d/file/baby/200908/cry-baby--56-2.jpg

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 06:01 AM
i think some people are jumping over board.... Then again it is bronco fans


^5

Dr. Broncenstein
12-27-2010, 06:04 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rzJHDdHabLw/SZ1jvzCXJkI/AAAAAAAABus/Z832YgxnFXw/s400/crying+baby.jpg

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 06:06 AM
http://www.deshow.net/d/file/baby/200908/cry-baby--56-2.jpg


You cryin again? Lame ****er.


Go lance a boil!

Dr. Broncenstein
12-27-2010, 06:08 AM
I can't remember seeing such a wet blanket on the Mane as TGN. Sorry that Tebow took your lunch money yesterday.

Kaylore
12-27-2010, 06:09 AM
Poor Tailgate Nut. If you didn't think Tebow electrified the crowd and the team yesterday, then you're letting you're hatred of him cloud your opinion. Even Cowher, who is decidedly anti-Tebow admitted "he gave that team energy they haven't had all year" after the game.

We have had more overtly christian players on this team before Tebow. Dawkins mentions Jesus in almost every press conference he has. Tebow doesn't even do that. You might want to get over it because odds are Tebow is going to be our starting QB for at least another year.

elsid13
12-27-2010, 06:20 AM
Lack of arm strength??????

Tebow is going to be the type of QB that needs to set his feet before he make a long throw. That was evident on the roll out left and under thrown ball to Gaffney in the third. When Tebow hurries he has kinda jump throws some ball which also need to be corrected.

Kaylore
12-27-2010, 06:22 AM
Ok, but he doesn't lack arm strength. He's never lacked arm strength. Did you see the deep out to Lloyd he hit? That isn't possible if you don't have arm strength.

chawknz
12-27-2010, 06:25 AM
Tebow turned that crowd on like nothing I have seen and heard in quite some time. By the second half I am sure they had started to make their ways to the doors, but I was wrong. We started scoring and the crowd turned electric. TEBOW TEBOW chants AFTER he made big plays.

What game were you watching?

I hate Tebow's religious views, but whatever. The guy is wildly inspiring and my liberal, super left wing views can't help but love the guy.

Likwid Kerruj
12-27-2010, 06:30 AM
Ok, but he doesn't lack arm strength. He's never lacked arm strength. Did you see the deep out to Lloyd he hit? That isn't possible if you don't have arm strength.

You mean the severely underthrown jump ball to Lloyd?

Or the pass where Lloyd was standing there wide open?

He has a decent enough arm. It's quickening his delivery that needs work.

elsid13
12-27-2010, 06:30 AM
Ok, but he doesn't lack arm strength. He's never lacked arm strength. Did you see the deep out to Lloyd he hit? That isn't possible if you don't have arm strength.

He had a good base, which helped a lot. There some QBs (Elway, Rapherburger, Cutler, Favre, Henne Vick, etc) that can make strong throws without a good base or falling back (with defense linemen at their feet) there are others (Manning, Schaub or Brady) that need to have good base to make those throws. It not bad thing, it is just the nature of the position. Tebow is going to have to work on getting his feet set under him and keeping his balance, which make a better passer. When doesn't get his feet set the balls are going to float.

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 06:35 AM
Poor Tailgate Nut. If you didn't think Tebow electrified the crowd and the team yesterday, then you're letting you're hatred of him cloud your opinion. Even Cowher, who is decidedly anti-Tebow admitted "he gave that team energy they haven't had all year" after the game.

We have had more overtly christian players on this team before Tebow. Dawkins mentions Jesus in almost every press conference he has. Tebow doesn't even do that. You might want to get over it because odds are Tebow is going to be our starting QB for at least another year.


I know this may be hard for BandWagonFans to understand, but, one man doesn't make a team. I have watched all the drooling I can stand from many of the little bitches on the mane. It's been the same with Griese and when JayBe came to play for our team. Best thing since vertical socks each time. Count me as part of the "always on the Bronco wagon" but not quite ready to abandon my team to annoint a rookies' win in a meaningless game as being an indication of greatness.

Kaylore
12-27-2010, 06:38 AM
You mean the severely underthrown jump ball to Lloyd?
No
Or the pass where Lloyd was standing there wide open?
I don't think so. This one he was running toward the sideline.
He has a decent enough arm. It's quickening his delivery that needs work.

Yes. I'll be the first to tell you he has a long way to go. I was pretty worried at the beginning of the game because he looked lost in the first quarter. He got better as the game went on you could tell he started to know what he wanted to do. Even his bad throws were at least where the receiver was supposed to be and toward an open guy which showed me he knows the coverage and what his guys should be doing. And yes, mechanics need to be corrected because he can't expect Lloyd bail out his parachute throws like he did every play.

I just had a problem with BroncSteve saying he has poor arm strength. He absolutely does not.

Kaylore
12-27-2010, 06:42 AM
I know this may be hard for BandWagonFans to understand, but, one man doesn't make a team. I have watched all the drooling I can stand from many of the little b****es on the mane. It's been the same with Griese and when JayBe came to play for our team. Best thing since vertical socks each time. Count me as part of the "always on the Bronco wagon" but not quite ready to abandon my team to annoint a rookies' win in a meaningless game as being an indication of greatness.

WTF?!? So now being happy about a team win and the potential of the rookie QB is "abandoning" your team? The team played with more energy because of him. A fact which seems to be lost on you.

I would understand if this was only about crowning a guy before he's played more than a few games, but let's be real; This is about your hatred of Tebow and nothing more.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-27-2010, 06:44 AM
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The guy tackled his own mom. What an a-hole.

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 06:46 AM
WTF?!? So now being happy about a team win and the potential of the rookie QB is "abandoning" your team? The team played with more energy because of him. A fact which seems to be lost on you.

I would understand if this was only about crowning a guy before he's played more than a few games, but let's be real; This is about your hatred of Tebow and nothing more.


You should read what you write. We've had way too much of the "he's the best thing since striped socks" mania.

jhns
12-27-2010, 07:05 AM
I know this may be hard for BandWagonFans to understand, but, one man doesn't make a team. I have watched all the drooling I can stand from many of the little b****es on the mane. It's been the same with Griese and when JayBe came to play for our team. Best thing since vertical socks each time. Count me as part of the "always on the Bronco wagon" but not quite ready to abandon my team to annoint a rookies' win in a meaningless game as being an indication of greatness.

LOL

Did I really just read that those who like Tebow are abandoning the Broncos? Wtf?

I like how this guy cries about the new type of fan and then can't be happy about a young QB showing something and the team winning. Funny stuff.

chawknz
12-27-2010, 07:07 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16948822?source=rss

Dixie and Ron Hitchler were oh-so-close to bailing on the rest of the Broncos' season. The couple from Littleton, season-ticket holders for 12 years, said they were disenchanted and seriously contemplated giving away their prime seats in the first and second row in the South Stands at Invesco Field at Mile High.
Tim Tebow brought them back.

Mile High Shack
12-27-2010, 07:13 AM
Tebow gives us Bronco fans something we haven't had in a long, long time (or so it seems)...that little word that keeps us coming back. Hope. I haven't had hope since about mid way through last season.

I don't know if Tebow is the real deal or whatever, but I do know one thing, the kid knows how to win and right now, that is what we need the most, guys who will do anything for a win.

oubronco
12-27-2010, 07:25 AM
Ok before we crown him the best ever let's get a little perspective here.

It was the worst passing defense in the NFL he went up against so let's wait and see what he does against the Chargers D before we get to crazy

Mile High Shack
12-27-2010, 07:27 AM
Ok before we crown him the best ever let's get a little perspective here.

It was the worst passing defense in the NFL he went up against so let's wait and see what he does against the Chargers D before we get to crazy

I think people are smart enough to realize it was against a bad defense.

but honestly, can you imagine Orton leading us back from 17 down?? It's just what it is dude..hope, that's all.

Let us have that for once.

oubronco
12-27-2010, 07:36 AM
I think people are smart enough to realize it was against a bad defense.

but honestly, can you imagine Orton leading us back from 17 down?? It's just what it is dude..hope, that's all.

Let us have that for once.

Oh i'm with you, but damn some are going overboard here don't you agree

Mile High Shack
12-27-2010, 07:40 AM
Oh i'm with you, but damn some are going overboard here don't you agree

hmmm, after the past 1 1/2 years, I'm not sure....it's nice to see passion again.

I think some people buy into Tebow too much sure, but it will be fun to see if he does work out

oubronco
12-27-2010, 07:41 AM
It will definitely be fun watching Tebow grow

Drek
12-27-2010, 07:43 AM
Ok before we crown him the best ever let's get a little perspective here.

It was the worst passing defense in the NFL he went up against so let's wait and see what he does against the Chargers D before we get to crazy

Its still an NFL level pass defense with NFL level coaches trying to stop him. The gaps between teams in the NFL are incredibly small. Fortunes turn on the smallest of advantages.

Was it a once in a decade performance? No. But it shows how a lot of the Tebow critics claiming his wind up would get him killed, he didn't have NFL level accuracy, his arm wasn't strong enough, he didn't know how to read NFL defenses, etc. was a bunch of bull****. He's got the skill set to play QB in the NFL and the work ethic to fully realize that potential if given the opportunity.

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 07:44 AM
Ok before we crown him the best ever let's get a little perspective here.

It was the worst passing defense in the NFL he went up against so let's wait and see what he does against the Chargers D before we get to crazy


Naw, let's jump up and down because we beat a POWERHOUSE Texan teamROFL! by one point:strong:. Oh, and let's not forget that if it weren't for the game WINNING interception the Texans probably would have won this game.

broncosteven
12-27-2010, 08:39 AM
Oh, go suck on a cork.LOL I have missed two games in the last 18 years.

I was there with the "congregation", although I didn't drink the sacred wine quite yet. The lady (not regular ticket holder) next to me was part of the DenverTebowsFanGroup and was screaming everytime the savior stepped on the field, So after listenng to her squeal for a couple of quarters I told her:"you know, you Tebow fans have a lot of spirit but no sense because you should shut up when we have the ball". Her reply: But[/B[B]]....I'm soooo excited"

Pardon me while I barf.ROFL!

Did she at least give you some cheese to go along with your whine?

coachmastermind
12-27-2010, 08:42 AM
I know this may be hard for BandWagonFans to understand, but, one man doesn't make a team. I have watched all the drooling I can stand from many of the little b****es on the mane. It's been the same with Griese and when JayBe came to play for our team. Best thing since vertical socks each time. Count me as part of the "always on the Bronco wagon" but not quite ready to abandon my team to annoint a rookies' win in a meaningless game as being an indication of greatness.

Oh yeah, I forgot all the talent Elway had when he carried the Broncos to their first 3 Super Bowls. Sometimes 1 player does make a difference. You can have a great player, or a player that makes his team great, I think that's the kind of player Tebow is, not perfect, but he makes his entire team better.

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2010, 08:50 AM
I watched the game and Tebow was poised under the pressure. Invesco Field was trying hard to be the new Mile High Stadium. It was so refreshing to see the team play hard and the fans know that there was a chance to Broncos could come from behind and win.

broncosteven
12-27-2010, 08:57 AM
No

I don't think so. This one he was running toward the sideline.


Yes. I'll be the first to tell you he has a long way to go. I was pretty worried at the beginning of the game because he looked lost in the first quarter. He got better as the game went on you could tell he started to know what he wanted to do. Even his bad throws were at least where the receiver was supposed to be and toward an open guy which showed me he knows the coverage and what his guys should be doing. And yes, mechanics need to be corrected because he can't expect Lloyd bail out his parachute throws like he did every play.

I just had a problem with BroncSteve saying he has poor arm strength. He absolutely does not.

I wasn't knocking Tebow I was praising him for his athleticsim, he has a very slow delivery and the ball is slow from point A-B but it gets there. He lacks velocity/strength which could be due to the wind up and less about "strength" but for now while he is young he can make the throws he wants to but his velocity/strength is not as good as Orton's or Cutlers.

I really liked how the game seemed to slow down for Tebow in the 2nd half. When his 1st option wasn't there he was able to wait a beat and let the 2nd option come to him and he was able to make a play. Orton would just stand there with his concrete feet stuck in the ground and ge pummeled.

MplsBronco
12-27-2010, 08:59 AM
For me, it's the fact that Tebow does not look like a rookie. That doesn't mean he won't have games where he does look like a rookie (or first year starter). That is inevitable and to be exected.

But the stage is not too large for this guy. He "belongs". You can just tell. In these two games he has faced some pressure, I don't see the happy feet, the panic. I see a guy always looking to make a play. I have seen enough to warrant us going with him for the long term. It's so nice to have a guy get out of the pocket and scramble 10 yards for a first down. It's those plays, extending drives, that lead to wins.

My biggest gripe is he needs to tuck the ball away more securely once he gets out of the pocket, whether he is running for yards or still looking to throw the ball downfield. He was fortunate not to have a fumble yesterday. But if that is my biggest gripe, well, good for us.

MplsBronco
12-27-2010, 09:03 AM
Oh, I haven't read thru the thread, and it's probably been stated, but how ironic if McD's lasting legacy ends up being the fact that he delivered Tebow to the Broncos.

I feel we had to hit bottom before we could get back to the top. Hopefully this season was the bottom and we start the climb back up. And it's these tough times that will make the next time we win one all that much sweeter.

vercingetorix
12-27-2010, 09:20 AM
Oh, I haven't read thru the thread, and it's probably been stated, but how ironic if McD's lasting legacy ends up being the fact that he delivered Tebow to the Broncos.

I feel we had to hit bottom before we could get back to the top. Hopefully this season was the bottom and we start the climb back up. And it's these tough times that will make the next time we win one all that much sweeter.

The irony is that McDaniels "believed" in Tebow but not enough to play him and believing in him enough to play him could have saved his job.

MplsBronco
12-27-2010, 09:24 AM
The irony is that McDaniels "believed" in Tebow but not enough to play him and believing in him enough to play him could have saved his job.

Ironic indeed.

Dedhed
12-27-2010, 10:35 AM
I am just happy to see a 1st round pick over the last 10 years contributing to the team.

Fixed

Dedhed
12-27-2010, 10:38 AM
You mean the severely underthrown jump ball to Lloyd?

Yeah, because that was the first time all year I saw Lloyd make a crazy play on a poorly thrown ball.

The book on Lloyd all year has been that if he's in single coverage, put the ball somewhere near him and let him make a play.

Was it a great throw? No. Was it the right read? Yes.

oubronco
12-27-2010, 10:40 AM
Yeah, because that was the first time all year I saw Lloyd make a crazy play on a poorly thrown ball.

The book on Lloyd all year has been that if he's in single coverage, put the ball somewhere near him and let him make a play.

Was it a great throw? No. Was it the right read? Yes.

Lloyd is definitely the MVP of this team

Dedhed
12-27-2010, 10:54 AM
Oh i'm with you, but damn some are going overboard here don't you agree

Of course people are going overboard, that's pretty much human nature, but it also bears out the best thing about Tebow. I could care less about the stats, the throwing motion, the INT, his footwork, etc.

The best thing about Tebow, which was clearly on display yesterday for anyone with an ounce of objectivity, was that every player on the field and every person in the stands went overboard yesterday.

The players on both sides of the ball were better than they are, the fans were louder than Inwasetco is supposed to be.

The most important thing that Tebow has shown is that what he is, and who he is, translates to this level.

Tebow went overboard and everyone there yesterday, players and fans alike, went overboard with him. That is what greatness is about; not about the strength of you're arm or how pretty your spiral is. It's about making the people around you better.

Griese was probably the smartest QB ever, Cutler as physically gifted as any, but neither of them made their teammates feel like they could be better than they are, and that nothing is impossible. That's what really made Elway great, not his arm.

Tebow has a ton of things to work on as a QB, but he clearly has the ability to make people believe. With that in place, the rest will come.

Cito Pelon
12-27-2010, 10:55 AM
Oh, go suck on a cork.LOL I have missed two games in the last 18 years.

I was there with the "congregation", although I didn't drink the sacred wine quite yet. The lady (not regular ticket holder) next to me was part of the DenverTebowsFanGroup and was screaming everytime the savior stepped on the field, So after listenng to her squeal for a couple of quarters I told her:"you know, you Tebow fans have a lot of spirit but no sense because you should shut up when we have the ball". Her reply: But[/B[B]]....I'm soooo excited"

Pardon me while I barf.ROFL!

That DOES sound kinda Scroogelike. Bah! Humbug!

Likwid Kerruj
12-27-2010, 11:07 AM
Yeah, because that was the first time all year I saw Lloyd make a crazy play on a poorly thrown ball.

The book on Lloyd all year has been that if he's in single coverage, put the ball somewhere near him and let him make a play.

Was it a great throw? No. Was it the right read? Yes.

I agree with you there.

He should almost be used to it by now.

They ended up scoring on the drive, but put 5 more yards on it, and it's an easy TD.

Cito Pelon
12-27-2010, 11:13 AM
Oh i'm with you, but damn some are going overboard here don't you agree

Maybe a little bit, but the dude is a superb football player.

gobroncos313
12-27-2010, 11:13 AM
If Tebow would have started the season. We would have more wins. We surely would have won the KC game on the road. I suspect we would be 8-7 right now. We would have started 0-3 with the new QB learning curve but would have beat Tenn, Jets, SF, KC(2), Stl, ARi, Hou. That would put us at 8-7 with KC another loss and us in potentially a battle for the division if maybe we would have pulled off at win against TEnn or the Raiders which I doubt we would have. Maybe.

Mcdaniels would have his job although I still say the biggest reason he lost his job is because of the video tape issue.

broncocalijohn
12-27-2010, 11:18 AM
You mean the severely underthrown jump ball to Lloyd?

Or the pass where Lloyd was standing there wide open?

He has a decent enough arm. It's quickening his delivery that needs work.

That ball was not underthrown. I thought it was but after watching highlights last night, Lloyd stops then has to make a NBA style jump straight up in the air. If keeps going, he doesnt have to jump. TGN needs to realize that these new Broncos fans of Tebow nation are just the next generation of fanatics for a QB. First one was Elway and you damn well know it was much worse than this and it still worked out for all of us. I am sure there are 25% of fans that have no connection to the Colorado region by birth, residency or family that states they became fans of the Broncos because of one man and that was Elway. So we got a bunch of nuts for Tebow. At least they will be there at the stadium replacing those that gave up on the team. TGn, you shouldnt complain as you now have easy buyers for your seats anytime you want to sell them when you cant go (or dont want to see the Tebow Carnival). I really thought TGN would have a different attitude after this game. That is one hard shell to crack. Maybe the Chargers game will have him shine against a better defensive team.

TailgateNut
12-27-2010, 11:29 AM
That ball was not underthrown. I thought it was but after watching highlights last night, Lloyd stops then has to make a NBA style jump straight up in the air. If keeps going, he doesnt have to jump. TGN needs to realize that these new Broncos fans of Tebow nation are just the next generation of fanatics for a QB. First one was Elway and you damn well know it was much worse than this and it still worked out for all of us. I am sure there are 25% of fans that have no connection to the Colorado region by birth, residency or family that states they became fans of the Broncos because of one man and that was Elway. So we got a bunch of nuts for Tebow. At least they will be there at the stadium replacing those that gave up on the team. TGn, you shouldnt complain as you now have easy buyers for your seats anytime you want to sell them when you cant go (or dont want to see the Tebow Carnival). I really thought TGN would have a different attitude after this game. That is one hard shell to crack. Maybe the Chargers game will have him shine against a better defensive team.


Just not ready to hitch my wagon yet. I like to know what kind of ride I'm in for. Put him up against some top defenses and lets see what he's got.

Remember when Griese was the annointed one. (we ended up burning his jersey in the lot)
Remember when Jay was the next coming of Elway (we ended up burning his jersey in the lot)
Remember when Tebow was the next coming of a football god( we end up ......................???? Wait and see.

You guys go ahead and get all googly eyed now, I'll save my elation for a while.

Dedhed
12-27-2010, 11:31 AM
They ended up scoring on the drive, but put 5 more yards on it, and it's an easy TD.

I'm sure he would have if there wasn't pressure coming straight up the middle as he stepped into that throw.

broncocalijohn
12-27-2010, 11:35 AM
Tailgate Nut, after only 3 wins this season and 5 in the last 23, there probably hasnt been too much enthusiasm at the stadium. You pay damn good money for the entertainment to be at the game and you got every dollars worth yesterday. You cant say that for many games at home this season. The hype is because we have been down for so long. This guy gives us hope because it is the cool sports car that has been sitting in the garage and only was allowed out to go up and down the street. Now that car is on the highway and ready to show its full capacity. Orton is servicable but wasnt giving us much hope to the fans. Tebow can be that guy. Plus, who's attitude you want on the team, Cutler or Tebow? We can have a winner and not a whiner.

Steve Prefontaine
12-27-2010, 12:05 PM
Maybe it’s just me, but was anyone else impressed with the defense in the 2nd half? They blitzed A LOT more effectively than they have all year. Schaub hurried quite a few throws…including one that should have been called for intentional grounding in the 4th quarter.

Anyway, it was nice to see the D contribute. I really hope the Broncos bring in a defensive coordinator next year that knows how to mix it up and put pressure on the offense to induce mistakes.

broncocalijohn
12-27-2010, 12:35 PM
Dont you think a big moment was the whole 2nd half? Defense gives up 6 points and instead of a Renoldo Hill pass interference, Wink adjusts and tells the front line to start putting their hands up. Results? A punt and an int to end the game.

EC, post from a page back or so. That was good coaching and what I wish we did when we had McD and that was adjusting during the game when things tend to change or need to be changed.

colonelbeef
12-27-2010, 12:37 PM
Fixed

That is ludicrously incorrect.

Ryan Clady never contributed? DJ Williams? Jay Cutler?

colonelbeef
12-27-2010, 12:38 PM
I found an even better comparison for Tebow- Boomer Esiason.

Dude was big, mobile, surprisingly accurate lefty going down the field

Dedhed
12-27-2010, 12:44 PM
That is ludicrously incorrect.

Ryan Clady never contributed? DJ Williams? Jay Cutler?

Relax, you should try not to take figurative statements literally. You'll live longer.

snowspot66
12-27-2010, 12:44 PM
That ball was not underthrown. I thought it was but after watching highlights last night, Lloyd stops then has to make a NBA style jump straight up in the air. If keeps going, he doesnt have to jump. TGN needs to realize that these new Broncos fans of Tebow nation are just the next generation of fanatics for a QB. First one was Elway and you damn well know it was much worse than this and it still worked out for all of us. I am sure there are 25% of fans that have no connection to the Colorado region by birth, residency or family that states they became fans of the Broncos because of one man and that was Elway. So we got a bunch of nuts for Tebow. At least they will be there at the stadium replacing those that gave up on the team. TGn, you shouldnt complain as you now have easy buyers for your seats anytime you want to sell them when you cant go (or dont want to see the Tebow Carnival). I really thought TGN would have a different attitude after this game. That is one hard shell to crack. Maybe the Chargers game will have him shine against a better defensive team.

Tim Hauck actually. Weird I know.

Eldorado
12-27-2010, 12:45 PM
The guy tackled his own mom. What an a-hole.

She popped right up, though. Looks Tebow can't hit that hard. Could be a problem.

Cito Pelon
12-27-2010, 01:16 PM
For me, it's the fact that Tebow does not look like a rookie. That doesn't mean he won't have games where he does look like a rookie (or first year starter). That is inevitable and to be exected.

But the stage is not too large for this guy. He "belongs". You can just tell. In these two games he has faced some pressure, I don't see the happy feet, the panic. I see a guy always looking to make a play. I have seen enough to warrant us going with him for the long term. It's so nice to have a guy get out of the pocket and scramble 10 yards for a first down. It's those plays, extending drives, that lead to wins.

My biggest gripe is he needs to tuck the ball away more securely once he gets out of the pocket, whether he is running for yards or still looking to throw the ball downfield. He was fortunate not to have a fumble yesterday. But if that is my biggest gripe, well, good for us.

Yup.

enjolras
12-27-2010, 02:13 PM
I found an even better comparison for Tebow- Boomer Esiason.

Dude was big, mobile, surprisingly accurate lefty going down the field

I'm still going with Steve Young. They really do have similar motions.

colonelbeef
12-27-2010, 03:12 PM
I'm still going with Steve Young. They really do have similar motions.

Watch this vid, about 1 minute in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWWU2UWTHlc&feature=related

kupesdad
12-27-2010, 03:41 PM
Did everyone see Kuper talking to Tebow after that last TD. Wonder what he was saying. Bet it had something to with 'thanks for covering up for my ****ty penalty at the 1 yard line'. Kuper almost lost us that game with that stupid penalty.

You would think that the Denver fans would know when to quiet down when we are on offense. Actually he was saying "I bet that dip**** Bronco Yoda is trying to guess what I'm saying"

epicSocialism4tw
12-27-2010, 03:42 PM
You would think that the Denver fans would know when to quiet down when we are on offense. Actually he was saying "I bet that dip**** Bronco Yoda is trying to guess what I'm saying"

I doubt he was thinking anything about "Bronco Yoda"! Ha!

NFLBRONCO
12-27-2010, 04:11 PM
They were comparing Tebows delivery mechanics more like Leftwich and Terry Bradshaw on the ticket.

zdoor
12-27-2010, 04:23 PM
I think people are smart enough to realize it was against a bad defense.

but honestly, can you imagine Orton leading us back from 17 down?? It's just what it is dude..hope, that's all.

Let us have that for once.

Amen...

montrose
12-28-2010, 05:20 PM
This was only his second game Montrose without a 'real' coach! And he came back from 17 down at the half.

Yes he needs to continue improving, but this is a HUGE notch in his gun handle and he played SMART football out there for the most part as well. Was poised. knew when to run out of bounds and throw it away.

Was quite accurate as well and throws a nice long ball. True, its only one game but did you notice the energy he brought to the whole team?! That isn't a fluke and you cant teach or buy that.

Oh I very much agree, again just trying to temper my excitement.