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HAT
12-25-2010, 10:37 AM
Just read this in my local fish wrap over Christmas breakfast. Mind you, this isn't the Denver Post, or the Washington Post for that matter. Orange County Register....And it's not even a high profile writer. Just the OCR's NFL beat writer basically. Pretty random to see this in the OCR this morning.

Side note...I'm 'bar friends' with Leroy Irvin (who is still pretty connected) and he told me last night that he's heard Shanny is gone come January. I don't buy that for a second though. Is Snyder really that dumb to can a high profile coach after only a season when they so badly need stability at HC?

Anyway....http://www.ocregister.com/sports/shanahan-281552-mcnabb-haynesworth.html

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I'll admit it, straight-off: I was completely wrong about Mike Shanahan being the coach who could lead free-spending Daniel Snyder's Washington Redskins out of the NFL wilderness.

From the Albert Haynesworth fiasco to the soap-opera-like drama of the benching of Donovan McNabb, Shanahan has acted like the coach who faded so badly in Denver that he was kicked to the curb despite winning back-to-back Super Bowls with John Elway at quarterback.

Mike Shanahan's disrespectful benching of Washington quarterback Donovan McNabb fits an all-too-familiar pattern for the former Super Bowl-winning coach. The mood in Washington is grim, and we're not talking Russ Grimm. This photo of Shanahan and McNabb was taken BEFORE the Redskins lost in Dallas on Sunday. Hard to tell which one lost his job.

Shanahan has four years left on his $35 million Redskins contract, so he could still prove my initial reaction to his hiring correct. But at this point, I don't care if he does the process has been almost too brutal to behold.

Scapegoats, not Super Bowls, are Shanahan's coaching style now. He used to just fire defensive coordinators in Denver: Greg Robinson (who coached the two title-winning defenses), Ray Rhodes, Larry Coyer, Jim Bates but actually took a stand for one (Bob Slowik) after the 2008 season.

Shanahan refused to fire Slowik, and Broncos owner Pat Bowlen fired Shanahan as a result.

His scapegoats thus far in Washington have been players: defensive tackle Haynesworth, punter Hunter Smith, and quarterback McNabb.

When Redskins owner Snyder brought Shanahan aboard Jan. 5, he gave him final say in all personnel matters. In April, Shanahan traded Philadelphia a second-round pick in 2010 (the Eagles selected safety Nate Allen, who became a starter as a rookie) and a conditional pick in 2011 (either a third or a fourth) for six-time Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb.

Shanahan brought in former New Orleans Saints coach Jim Haslett to install the 3-4 defense that Shanahan deployed in Denver, and that's when the battle with Haynesworth began.

Washington had 4-3 defensive personnel. And basically, still does.

Haynesworth, signed by Snyder in 2009 to a seven-year contract worth $100 million ($41 million guaranteed), is not only a prototypical 4-3 defensive tackle, he's one of the best when so inclined and motivated.

Work-ethic-challenged Haynesworth, to his discredit, fought the switch to 3-4 nose tackle from the outset, and quickly became the subject of ridicule after his inability to pass Shanahan's fitness tests.

Warren Sapp, a prototypical 4-3 DT, was moved to defensive end when he joined a Raiders team that deployed the 3-4 (3-4 ends are similar to 4-3 tackles; 4-3 defensive ends are more likely to become 3-4 outside linebackers). Why Shanahan didn't go that route is beyond me; Haynesworth probably would've resisted that move as well, but we'll never know.

The Redskins had trouble just getting him to practice, and used Haynesworth as a situational pass-rusher in 8 of their first 12 games. Then, Shanahan suspended him for the season's final four games for "conduct detrimental to the club."

Snyder has wasted $41 million before, just not on one player. In two years, at that price, Haynesworth produced 53 tackles and seven sacks in 20 games.

Shanahan began to doubt his McNabb acquisition as early as Week 8, when McNabb was pulled in favor of Rex Grossman with 3:25 left in a close game with the Detroit Lions. Shanahan then proceeded to give three different explanations for the move in the next three days, none very convincing.

Then on Nov. 15, Shanahan out of the blue gave McNabb a five-year contract extension worth $75 million. Only $3.25 million was guaranteed; perhaps it was simply a peace offering for the Week 8 embarrassment.

Shanahan found another scapegoat after a Week 14 loss to Tampa Bay, 17-16. McNabb had driven the Redskins to what had appeared to be a tying touchdown, but a high snap on the extra-point attempt sailed through the hands of holder Hunter Smith. Shanahan promptly cut Smith, a 13-year veteran punter, in a totally classless move.

McNabb remained the QB starter until Week 15, when Shanahan announced he wanted to take a look at Rex Grossman and John Beck, and unceremoniously demoted McNabb to No. 3. The classy McNabb stayed quiet until after the Week 15 game, then the next day said he felt "disrespected" by his coach. Others had been saying it for him since the move had been announced.

So, to review, Shanahan has rid himself of his best defensive player, Haynesworth, and the quarterback he hand-picked to turn around the Redskins offense, McNabb. With Washington's defense allowing the most yards per game in the NFL (397), defensive coordinator Haslett shouldn't feel secure either.

Perhaps there's a method to this madness.

NFL Network studio analyst Marshall Faulk suggested Sunday that Shanahan's strategy appears to be positioning the Redskins for a top-5 draft pick, in order to get a "Sam Bradford-type quarterback," which would mean losing the last three games with Grossman at quarterback. Washington lost, 33-30, at Dallas despite four TD passes by Grossman.

The Redskins are 5-9, and close out with games against playoff contenders Jacksonville and the New York Giants. Click on the photo for a slide-show look at Shanahan's reign of error so far.

rbackfactory80
12-25-2010, 10:41 AM
Lol. I love the line about Shanahan Positioning himself for a top 5 draft pick by playing Grossman. I guess fans aren't the only ones rooting for losses.

broncocalijohn
12-25-2010, 10:54 AM
Is it the norm that coaches on new teams have to make a sudden impact on their new teams? Shanny has a long contract and has time to put his mark on the Redskins but he decided that he screwed up in Denver and now needs to do the opposite on a team that might not need it (3-4 defense). Shanahan might be one confused and acting like he has one year to turn the Redskins around.

Pony Boy
12-25-2010, 10:58 AM
McNabb has zero respect for Kyle Shanahan and when you force Mike to choose between Kyle or Donavan guess who's going to win that battle. It's difficult to get respect as a coach in the NFL when you are the same age as the players, just ask McDaniels. And it doesn't help when you have Chris Sims initials tattooed on your leg.

Crushaholic
12-25-2010, 11:01 AM
Lol. I love the line about Shanahan Positioning himself for a top 5 draft pick by playing Grossman. I guess fans aren't the only ones rooting for losses.

Grossman played his heart out in the second half, Sunday. If Shanahan wants the Redskins to lose the remaining games, he hasn't told Grossman...

HAT
12-25-2010, 11:07 AM
Is it the norm that coaches on new teams have to make a sudden impact on their new teams? Shanny has a long contract and has time to put his mark on the Redskins but he decided that he screwed up in Denver and now needs to do the opposite on a team that might not need it (3-4 defense). Shanahan might be one confused and acting like he has one year to turn the Redskins around.

Agree that maybe he shouldn't have made the change to 3-4 but we all new it was coming after his 2009 training camp tour. He's been a 'follower' for quite some time now.

I'd be utterly shocked if he got axed though.

"Scapegoats, not Super Bowls, are Shanahan's coaching style now." I lol'd

OBF1
12-25-2010, 11:38 AM
Shanny has a plan.... I think he is going to fire Snyder at the end of the season :thumbs:

gunns
12-25-2010, 12:14 PM
Scapegoats, not Super Bowls, are Shanahan's coaching style now. He used to just fire defensive coordinators in Denver: Greg Robinson (who coached the two title-winning defenses), Ray Rhodes, Larry Coyer, Jim Bates – but actually took a stand for one (Bob Slowik) after the 2008 season.

Shanahan refused to fire Slowik, and Broncos owner Pat Bowlen fired Shanahan as a result.

His scapegoats thus far in Washington have been players: defensive tackle Haynesworth, punter Hunter Smith, and quarterback McNabb.

When Redskins owner Snyder brought Shanahan aboard Jan. 5, he gave him final say in all personnel matters. In April, Shanahan traded Philadelphia a second-round pick in 2010 (the Eagles selected safety Nate Allen, who became a starter as a rookie) and a conditional pick in 2011 (either a third or a fourth) for six-time Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb.

Shanahan brought in former New Orleans Saints coach Jim Haslett to install the 3-4 defense that Shanahan deployed in Denver, and that's when the battle with Haynesworth began.

Washington had 4-3 defensive personnel. And basically, still does.



This says EVERYTHING (especially the "And basically, still does) about why I'm THRILLED Shanahan is no longer coaching here.

SoCalBronco
12-25-2010, 12:17 PM
What a poorly written article. McNabb is a scapegoat? How bout he's playing like ****? Grossman played a great game last week which proved Shanny was right. Haynesworth is just a scapegoat? Yeah....he's done nothing to legitimately deserve blame.

Shanny has done a fine job in his first year there. They are alot more competitive than they used to be and that's without his guys in there, yet.

HAT
12-25-2010, 12:19 PM
What a poorly written article. McNabb is a scapegoat? How bout he's playing like ****? Grossman played a great game last week which proved Shanny was right. Haynesworth is just a scapegoat? Yeah....he's done nothing to legitimately deserve blame.

Shanny has done a fine job in his first year there. They are alot more competitive than they used to be and that's without his guys in there, yet.
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Uh-huh

Gutless Drunk
12-25-2010, 12:19 PM
I guess he's still the "mastermind"

He is officially ten times smarter than Andy Reid.

colonelbeef
12-25-2010, 12:28 PM
Really stupid and even more shortsighted to think that this is a 1 year fix in DC.

That team has had a losing culture ingrained and solidified with horrific personnel moves and front office mismanagement over the last 20 years.

Shanahan tried to give McNabb a go while working on establishing a running game, and while the running game has continued to improve over the course of the year, McNabb is clearly lazy and unmotivated, and it shows in his play.

At this point they are clearly tanking the season in order to position for a run at one of the QBs coming out for Shanahan to groom. Thinking that this season means anything past getting a few young players and the OL into shape, with an eye for the offseason, is moronic.

HAT
12-25-2010, 12:28 PM
What a poorly written article.

Really? I didn't see any spelling or punctuation mistakes at all.

Or did you just mean that you disagree with the content?

colonelbeef
12-25-2010, 12:29 PM
I guess he's still the "mastermind"

He is officially ten times smarter than Andy Reid.

Andy Reid- the new Marty Schottenheimer

I'll take the guy who can win the big one vs. the Dan Reeves clone any day of the week

SoCalBronco
12-25-2010, 12:31 PM
Really? I didn't see any spelling or punctuation mistakes at all.

Or did you just mean that you disagree with the content?

Shanahan brought in former New Orleans Saints coach Jim Haslett to install the 3-4 defense that Shanahan deployed in Denver, and that's when the battle with Haynesworth began.

LensCrafters.

Check it out.

HAT
12-25-2010, 12:32 PM
Really stupid and even more shortsighted to think that this is a 1 year fix in DC.


Nobody is saying it was/is. Certainly not the author.

BCJ pointed that out in post #3.

colonelbeef
12-25-2010, 12:33 PM
What a poorly written article. McNabb is a scapegoat? How bout he's playing like ****? Grossman played a great game last week which proved Shanny was right. Haynesworth is just a scapegoat? Yeah....he's done nothing to legitimately deserve blame.

Shanny has done a fine job in his first year there. They are alot more competitive than they used to be and that's without his guys in there, yet.

This is a key point- he was making it clear for all to see that McNabb has been a lazy p o s, and that his apathetic play has killed the offense.

Aside from the one Eagles atrocity, that team has played very well despite a tough schedule, a severe lack of offensive talent particularly on the line and at WR, a losing attitude which will take a few years to break, a lazy QB who has failed to pick up what is a proven winning offensive system, and an absolute sloth and locker room cancer @ DT in Fat Albert Haynesworth.

HAT
12-25-2010, 12:34 PM
Shanahan brought in former New Orleans Saints coach Jim Haslett to install the 3-4 defense that Shanahan deployed in Denver, and that's when the battle with Haynesworth began.

LensCrafters.

Check it out.

Oh hey, good catch. I changed my mind. You're right, what a poorly written article.

Go ahead and delete it if you feel like 'moderating'.

colonelbeef
12-25-2010, 12:36 PM
Nobody is saying it was/is. Certainly not the author.

BCJ pointed that out in post #3.

So then how do you (the author) make such pronouncements- i.e. Shanahan is the wrong man for the job- if you are able to see that this is a multi year fix? The team has played competitively, the OL, WR, and RB play has improved, and they will win more games than last year.

In making that argument, the inherent point is that the team should have been fixed already, and no progress has been made, which is 100% false for anybody who has watched Ryan Torain pick up chunks of yards only to see McNabb fail to sell the play action and throw a lazy int into coverage, stare down a crossing receiver, or miss somebody wide open down the field

HAT
12-25-2010, 12:37 PM
This is a key point- he was making it clear for all to see that McNabb has been a lazy p o s, and that his apathetic play has killed the offense.

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Which is the very definition of making a McNabb a scapegoat.

If I make a bad hire and my Dept. suffers from it, bet your ass I make him a scapegoat and fire him. "Not my fault boss, that guy just sucked"

colonelbeef
12-25-2010, 12:39 PM
Which is the very definition of making a McNabb a scapegoat.

If I make a bad hire and my Dept. suffers from it, bet your ass I make him a scapegoat and fire him. "Not my fault boss, that guy just sucked"

They paid him next to nothing and took a shot that he would be motivated.

He was never the long term fix, but had big upside.

You can see why they would take a flier on him- but if he is gone next season, no skin.

HAT
12-25-2010, 12:51 PM
In making that argument, the inherent point is that the team should have been fixed already, and no progress has been made, which is 100% false for anybody who has watched Ryan Torain pick up chunks of yards only to see McNabb fail to sell the play action and throw a lazy int into coverage, stare down a crossing receiver, or miss somebody wide open down the field

Re-read the article. He doesn't even mention the 'Skins record until the last sentence.

This piece isn't about whether or not the Redskins suck or whether or not Shanahan can coach on gameday.

If you think Shanahan handled Haynesworth & McNabb perfectly all year, more power to you.

Personally, I doubt he ever sees .500 with this team.

Requiem
12-25-2010, 12:58 PM
Really stupid and even more shortsighted to think that this is a 1 year fix in DC.

That team has had a losing culture ingrained and solidified with horrific personnel moves and front office mismanagement over the last 20 years.

Over the last 20 years the Redskins organization has had 11 winning seasons and 9 losing seasons. Six playoff appearances. Hardly a losing culture. In fact, three of their last five seasons were winning seasons, and two of them earned them playoff appearances. The Redskins aren't a franchise in disarray, they are just a mediocre franchise in the most competitive division in the NFL. To make the playoffs two times in five years in the NFC East isn't bad, not at all.

Even with Shanahan's hire, their offense still sucks (barely better than under Zorn) and the defense is still abysmal. Mediocre (if that) offenses and terrible defenses seem to be something that Mike has been fielding as a coach for a while now. Look for the common denominator.

And we wonder why Mike was called "teflon."

This Redskins team was 4-12 last year, a pretty bad team. Good players were acquired and brought in and it has only netted them +1 in the W/L column from the previous year.

What gives?

OABB
12-25-2010, 01:00 PM
I love watching curtainsofbeef defend shanahan for alienating star players in dc. The irony is so thick, it's choking the oxygen out of the air.

Requiem
12-25-2010, 01:01 PM
You can see why they would take a flier on him- but if he is gone next season, no skin.

Except wasting an extremely high draft pick (second rounder, Nate Allen) and a potential third or fourth for a one-year rental service.

The Redskins are a team that has been known for making some pretty horrendous trades and not valuing the draft, which is why their team has probably been stuck in mediocrity over the past few years.

That didn't change when Mike came to town. So no, there isn't any sweat off the Redskins back for financial obligation, but there certainly is with draft value and the perception of the team moving forward.

Killericon
12-25-2010, 01:15 PM
Except wasting an extremely high draft pick (second rounder, Nate Allen) and a potential third or fourth for a one-year rental service.

The Redskins are a team that has been known for making some pretty horrendous trades and not valuing the draft, which is why their team has probably been stuck in mediocrity over the past few years.

That didn't change when Mike came to town. So no, there isn't any sweat off the Redskins back for financial obligation, but there certainly is with draft value and the perception of the team moving forward.

Extremely high?

Requiem
12-25-2010, 01:30 PM
Extremely high?

#37 Overall. Pretty damn high if you ask me.

tsiguy96
12-25-2010, 03:33 PM
so funny to read about people who hate mcd defending shanahan for very similar situations.

Popps
12-25-2010, 04:05 PM
I love Shanny, always have. But, the guy has a massive ego. Had one long before he won any SBs, too. I followed his career when I lived in SF.

All great coaches have egos. When they're winning, they call it "genius." When they're not, they're called "egomaniacs."

Popps
12-25-2010, 04:06 PM
so funny to read about people who hate mcd defending shanahan for very similar situations.

Oh, the similarities between the two guys are endless. That's one of the reasons I gave McD a chance, despite wanting us to hire a defensive-minded coach.

Taco John
12-26-2010, 01:29 AM
I lost interest in this writer's opinion when he called Donovan McNabb's benching disgraceful.

TailgateNut
12-26-2010, 02:52 AM
I lost interest in this writer's opinion when he called Donovan McNabb's benching disgraceful.


....and/or when he cast Shanny in a negative light!:wiggle:

Blueflame
12-26-2010, 03:10 AM
A player showing up TFTP should be called out by his coach.... even if he does earn a huge salary.

HAT
12-26-2010, 03:56 AM
I lost interest in this writer's opinion when he called Donovan McNabb's benching disgraceful.

Link?

tsiguy96
12-26-2010, 04:50 AM
I lost interest in this writer's opinion when he called Donovan McNabb's benching disgraceful.

despite the fact that even other washington redskins players agree with him. but what do they know? we clearly have the answers, we watch nfl network!

Drek
12-26-2010, 05:37 AM
Aside from the one Eagles atrocity, that team has played very well despite a tough schedule, a severe lack of offensive talent particularly on the line and at WR, a losing attitude which will take a few years to break, a lazy QB who has failed to pick up what is a proven winning offensive system, and an absolute sloth and locker room cancer @ DT in Fat Albert Haynesworth.

I seem to recall similar defenses brought up on behalf of McDaniels and your response was typically to the effect of "check the record."

Right now Mike Shanahan has turned a 5-11 Redskins team with a good defense anchored by a star DT into a 5-11 team with a bad 3-4 defense and a few very disgruntled but highly paid pro bowler.

At least when McDaniels pissed off the established talent he traded them for a wealth of draft picks.

Mike Shanahan has screwed the pooch in Washington worse than McDaniels ever did here because the deck was stacked in his favor and he still ****ed up. A great front office guy to work with and a good 4-3 defense so the guy who hasn't been able to build a good defense in this decade could just not worry about that. Instead he decided to fix what didn't need fixing and created an epic cluster****.

Popps
12-26-2010, 08:47 AM
I seem to recall similar defenses brought up on behalf of McDaniels and your response was typically to the effect of "check the record."

Right now Mike Shanahan has turned a 5-11 Redskins team with a good defense anchored by a star DT into a 5-11 team with a bad 3-4 defense and a few very disgruntled but highly paid pro bowler.

At least when McDaniels pissed off the established talent he traded them for a wealth of draft picks.

Mike Shanahan has screwed the pooch in Washington worse than McDaniels ever did here because the deck was stacked in his favor and he still ****ed up. A great front office guy to work with and a good 4-3 defense so the guy who hasn't been able to build a good defense in this decade could just not worry about that. Instead he decided to fix what didn't need fixing and created an epic cluster****.


Lock thread.

Hogan11
12-26-2010, 09:04 AM
Shanahan, in spite of past glory in Denver, is now the very definition of the word creep.

I laughed when he released the punter....no Shanahan season is complete until that happens Ha!

vancejohnson82
12-26-2010, 09:21 AM
Is it the norm that coaches on new teams have to make a sudden impact on their new teams? Shanny has a long contract and has time to put his mark on the Redskins but he decided that he screwed up in Denver and now needs to do the opposite on a team that might not need it (3-4 defense). Shanahan might be one confused and acting like he has one year to turn the Redskins around.

no....you get 1 1/2 seasons to turn a team around

Garcia Bronco
12-26-2010, 10:53 AM
he'll never prosper in the NFC East. they don't play finesse ball like they do in the west.

Gutless Drunk
12-26-2010, 01:26 PM
Lock thread.

If you are going to check the records you should probably actually check the records

Washington wasn't 5-11 last year

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 01:32 PM
I seem to recall similar defenses brought up on behalf of McDaniels and your response was typically to the effect of "check the record."

Right now Mike Shanahan has turned a 5-11 Redskins team with a good defense anchored by a star DT into a 5-11 team with a bad 3-4 defense and a few very disgruntled but highly paid pro bowler.

At least when McDaniels pissed off the established talent he traded them for a wealth of draft picks.

Mike Shanahan has screwed the pooch in Washington worse than McDaniels ever did here because the deck was stacked in his favor and he still ****ed up. A great front office guy to work with and a good 4-3 defense so the guy who hasn't been able to build a good defense in this decade could just not worry about that. Instead he decided to fix what didn't need fixing and created an epic cluster****.


Actually, the 2009 Redkins were 4-12. The 2010 Redskins are 6-9, and playing hard despite a lack of talent, particulary on offense, and a few locker room cancers which are in the process of being weeded out. They also now have a star LT in the making and a run game which is showing flashes of potential dominance given the right pieces, which Shanahan will undoubtedly bring in.

Please don't use bull**** when arguing with me. Facts only please- and the fact of the matter is that Shanahan has the team a) improving and b) playing hard despite being in a much tougher division than the AFC West, and having lazy and unmotivated fatcat players on both sides of the ball.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 01:33 PM
If you are going to check the records you should probably actually check the records

Washington wasn't 5-11 last year

Facts are important

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 01:33 PM
Lock thread.

Only you would be dumb enough to agree with a post based on misstated records

Merlin
12-26-2010, 03:27 PM
Mike Shanahan has screwed the pooch in Washington worse than McDaniels ever did here because the deck was stacked in his favor and he still ****ed up.
McD got the second ranked offense in the NFL, and 12th in scoring (when only considering the offense, better yet when considering the STs), and one of the youngest offenses in the league, stacked with PB QB, WR, OL and among best in the league in rushing. Shanny inherited a D that was tenth in yds, but 15th in points allowed, near the bottom or at the bottom of the league in turnovers, and the oldest team in the NFL. Talk about McD lovers revising history. Oh, yes, and he has six wins, 50% increase in wins. McD meanwhile was a push the first yr (despite a boatload of draft choices, which Shanny did not have) the first yr, and we will not even mention his record in his final 22 games. But you are right, one coach clearly screwed the pooch, but his name was McD. Shanny conversely improved the team despite all the obstacles he was given.

And Popps, as usual, your misguided respect for McD has led you to concur with another poorly written analysis of football facts.

jhns
12-26-2010, 04:25 PM
I seem to recall similar defenses brought up on behalf of McDaniels and your response was typically to the effect of "check the record."

Right now Mike Shanahan has turned a 5-11 Redskins team with a good defense anchored by a star DT into a 5-11 team with a bad 3-4 defense and a few very disgruntled but highly paid pro bowler.

At least when McDaniels pissed off the established talent he traded them for a wealth of draft picks.

Mike Shanahan has screwed the pooch in Washington worse than McDaniels ever did here because the deck was stacked in his favor and he still ****ed up. A great front office guy to work with and a good 4-3 defense so the guy who hasn't been able to build a good defense in this decade could just not worry about that. Instead he decided to fix what didn't need fixing and created an epic cluster****.

Every fact in this post is wrong. I wonder what we should think about the opinions.

HAT
12-26-2010, 05:18 PM
It was actually pretty cool to see Shanny get a win today....I pity the elderly sometimes.

colonelbeef
12-26-2010, 05:21 PM
It was actually pretty cool to see Shanny get a win today....I pity the elderly sometimes.

That team is playing hard for him.

McNabb should have put more of an effort in this season, Grossman is embarrassing him

HAT
12-26-2010, 05:35 PM
That team is playing hard for him.

McNabb should have put more of an effort in this season, Grossman is embarrassing him

+1

There's no doubt that McNabb sucks at this point in his career & that the 'Skins are playing hard for the man.

He might even get them to .500 by 2013

TonyR
12-26-2010, 05:36 PM
It was actually pretty cool to see Shanny get a win today....I pity the elderly sometimes.

Didn't hurt that MJD didn't play for the Jags today, but I suppose a win is a win.