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cmhargrove
12-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to get some advice from people out there that have either played in college, or had a son that did so.

My son is a high school senior and is being recruited by several smaller D1 programs, and several D2 programs. We have official visits scheduled in January and then the pressure will be on.

Anyway, here is the dilemma. My son and I are disagreeing a little and I wondered if there were any real life experiences I could share with him (that could help us make a good decision together). I like the small football/big education choice, and he likes the bigger football/average education choice.

The school my son likes is a smaller D1 school in the Sun Belt Conference (average attendance 12,000-14,000). They have a pretty exciting spread offense, and the coach has told him he would be utilized heavily as a pulling guard (which is my son's favorite thing to be). As I said, an education is what you make it, but the school is more "average" in the brainpower category. The kicker is that they play at least one big name team every year (last year they played Auburn, the year before the played Alabama). Of course, they get killed these games, but they play in front of 80,000+ SEC fans.

The school I like is a D2 school with a tremendous engineering program. The football program is small, average attendance at games is 2,000-4,000, but the education is awesome. Basically, anyone who graduates with at least a 2.5 is guaranteed a job on graduation. Over 90% of their graduates have a job lined up before the graduate (average starting salary right out of schools os over $57 k).

So, give me some advice or a story before we go on these visits.
What did you choose?
Did you regret it?
What would you choose now?

Thanks.

tsiguy96
12-24-2010, 11:42 AM
gotta let your son make his choice where hes going to be happy. he can go to the D2 school and hate it regardless of education, and go to the D1 school and love the team. i am a grad student at FAU, also in sunbelt conference, its not a bad conference for someone to play in if he really wants to. people get a lot more out of football long term than just to play.

ive gone to 3 schools (2 undergrad, 1 graduate) and interned at a 4th. the school i liked the least education wise was university of wisconsin-madison, the classes were too big etc. the campus was absolutely amazing, but as far as education, WIU(western illinois) was easily better IMO, even though statistics and salary determine that UW-M was better. so its what you make of it.

RhymesayersDU
12-24-2010, 11:44 AM
The school I like is a D2 school with a tremendous engineering program.

I didn't play any football or anything like that, but just as a 26-year old recently out of college, I'd ask: is he sure he wants to do engineering? I mean, if he is, then it's obviously something to think about. I just remember being 18 and a senior in high school and having no idea what I wanted to do. Point being, it might not be wise to base a decision on one program. If you're just focusing on engineering and he decides it isn't for him or something, that might not be the best decision. I mean, what's the rest of the school's programs like?

cmhargrove
12-24-2010, 11:50 AM
I didn't play any football or anything like that, but just as a 26-year old recently out of college, I'd ask: is he sure he wants to do engineering? I mean, if he is, then it's obviously something to think about. I just remember being 18 and a senior in high school and having no idea what I wanted to do. Point being, it might not be wise to base a decision on one program. If you're just focusing on engineering and he decides it isn't for him or something, that might not be the best decision. I mean, what's the rest of the school's programs like?

The D2 school offers 65 possible majors, but they are overwhelmingly engineering oriented.

SoCalBronco
12-24-2010, 11:57 AM
bpc could probably give you some good advice on this. He played college ball and was an all-conference OL in fact.

tsiguy96
12-24-2010, 12:04 PM
The D2 school offers 65 possible majors, but they are overwhelmingly engineering oriented.

i went to school wanting to be a police officer, my undergrad is a top 3 school in the country for it. left doing exercise science. its a very low % of people who go in knowing what they wnat to do then actually do it.

brncs_fan
12-24-2010, 12:23 PM
Is he being offered a scholarship at either school and if so what is the tuition look like with those scholarships applied? The ability to pay for school could be a big deciding factor.

DomCasual
12-24-2010, 12:26 PM
I could throw the football over them mountains. If coach had put me in, we would have won state.

In all seriousness, this is kind of a loaded question. The responsible answer is that his college football career will be fleeting, while his education is forever. Projecting himself twenty, ten, or even five years from now, the time spent playing college football will be just a memory. His quality of life, on the other hand, will likely be dramatically affected by the quality of his degree.

ICON
12-24-2010, 12:27 PM
bigger football/average education choice.

DomCasual
12-24-2010, 12:28 PM
I could throw the football over them mountains. If coach had put me in, we would have won state.

In all seriousness, this is kind of a loaded question. The responsible answer is that his college football career will be fleeting, while his education is forever. Projecting himself twenty, ten, or even five years from now, the time spent playing college football will be just a memory. His quality of life, on the other hand, will likely be dramatically affected by the quality of his degree.

In fairness, I have a feeling you knew that when you posed the question.

If your son is reading this, let me be the bad cop (eventually, in hindsight, I will be the good cop). Kid, do the right thing. Who care about getting shellacked in front of 80,000 fans? Your priorities, from this time forward, should be education, education, education.

DomCasual
12-24-2010, 12:29 PM
bigger football/average education choice.

Okay, I mean no offense when I say this.

But you're a jackass.

I kid. :)

But seriously - why?

ghostofjosh
12-24-2010, 12:30 PM
I had a similar situation in college but in baseball...my biggest advice now that it has been 15 years,is go for education...the fact is on a big d-1 school,chances are youre riding the pine,and a lesser education to boot because of the travel schedule and such,you just dont have the time to put in...on the otherhand a d-2 school,youre more likely to not only play,but stand out...youll get a few special privleges,and you'll enjoy it more,imo...better to be the big fish in a small pond,than a small fish in the ocean..good luck

LonghornBronco
12-24-2010, 12:40 PM
I attended Colorado School of Mines on a wrestling scholarship. I considered some other schools, but what it boiled down to is I had my heart set on engineering. So the choice was easy for me. One word of caution, if his heart isn't in engineering he probably won’t make it through the program. It's tough and he has to be dedicated.

Cmac821
12-24-2010, 12:43 PM
Am I the only one wondering which schools are in question?

I would definitely go for better education, the way I see it football only last 4 years where your education is forever.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-24-2010, 12:46 PM
The choice that gives him the best education with a degree that pays.

Broncoman13
12-24-2010, 12:52 PM
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to get some advice from people out there that have either played in college, or had a son that did so.

My son is a high school senior and is being recruited by several smaller D1 programs, and several D2 programs. We have official visits scheduled in January and then the pressure will be on.

Anyway, here is the dilemma. My son and I are disagreeing a little and I wondered if there were any real life experiences I could share with him (that could help us make a good decision together). I like the small football/big education choice, and he likes the bigger football/average education choice.

The school my son likes is a smaller D1 school in the Sun Belt Conference (average attendance 12,000-14,000). They have a pretty exciting spread offense, and the coach has told him he would be utilized heavily as a pulling guard (which is my son's favorite thing to be). As I said, an education is what you make it, but the school is more "average" in the brainpower category. The kicker is that they play at least one big name team every year (last year they played Auburn, the year before the played Alabama). Of course, they get killed these games, but they play in front of 80,000+ SEC fans.

The school I like is a D2 school with a tremendous engineering program. The football program is small, average attendance at games is 2,000-4,000, but the education is awesome. Basically, anyone who graduates with at least a 2.5 is guaranteed a job on graduation. Over 90% of their graduates have a job lined up before the graduate (average starting salary right out of schools os over $57 k).

So, give me some advice or a story before we go on these visits.
What did you choose?
Did you regret it?
What would you choose now?

Thanks.

I think Dad is doing the right thing here... keep the pressure on. If one of my kids has the opportunity to go to say Colorado School of Mines vs Northern Colorado or Tulsa or something like that, best believe I am going to push the education at Mines!

You aren't doing anything wrong by pushing the education, but you also have to understand at some point that by pushing to hard you can have a negative impact as well. Present your case and then offer your best support regardless of the decision. The best thing you can do in this scenario.

Remember, “Children begin by loving their parents; as they grow older they judge them; sometimes, they forgive them” ~Oscar Wilde

Broncoman13
12-24-2010, 12:58 PM
I attended Colorado School of Mines on a wrestling scholarship. I considered some other schools, but what it boiled down to is I had my heart set on engineering. So the choice was easy for me. One word of caution, if his heart isn't in engineering he probably won’t make it through the program. It's tough and he has to be dedicated.

I work with a couple Engineers from Mines as well as a couple from the Air Force Academy. I wouldn't say one set is better or greater than the other, but I do know that Mines is probably even more difficult to get into. Quite the prestigious school!

TailgateNut
12-24-2010, 01:01 PM
i think dad is doing the right thing here... Keep the pressure on. if one of my kids has the opportunity to go to say colorado school of mines vs northern colorado or tulsa or something like that, best believe i am going to push the education at mines!

You aren't doing anything wrong by pushing the education, but you also have to understand at some point that by pushing to hard you can have a negative impact as well. Present your case and then offer your best support regardless of the decision. The best thing you can do in this scenario.

Remember, “children begin by loving their parents; as they grow older they judge them; sometimes, they forgive them” ~oscar wilde


this!

LonghornBronco
12-24-2010, 01:01 PM
It was a tremendoes education and has definitly contributed to my quality of life, but it was a lot of work to be a student athelete.

ICON
12-24-2010, 01:04 PM
Okay, I mean no offense when I say this.

But you're a jackass.

I kid. :)

But seriously - why?

Kids who have little academic talent and/or no interest in attending college are compelled to be there with a bigger football/average education choice.

cutthemdown
12-24-2010, 01:08 PM
Sounds like either way your kid is a long shot to make the pros. advise him to go to the school with the better engineering program because regardless he probably won't be making the pro's.

rbackfactory80
12-24-2010, 01:10 PM
Kids who have little academic talent and/or no interest in attending college are compelled to be there with a bigger football/average education choice.

People actually get hired because they played division 1 football. I think you need to look deeply into his academic prowess because even little D1 schools are highly respected by employers. It's nice to put that you played D1 football on your resume.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-24-2010, 01:14 PM
People actually get hired because they played division 1 football. I think you need to look deeply into his academic prowess because even little D1 schools are highly respected by employers.

I know several guys making 100K plus as medical equipment reps because they are locally famous ex-college football players.

Broncoman13
12-24-2010, 01:14 PM
People actually get hired because they played division 1 football. I think you need to look deeply into his academic prowess because even little D1 schools are highly respected by employers. It's nice to put that you played D1 football on your resume.

Interesting...

TD4HOF
12-24-2010, 01:27 PM
Chase your dreams, kid. Only get one shot and no one tells you what to do.

wandlc
12-24-2010, 02:31 PM
I am an engineer that went to a D1A school. The school is ranked in the top 5 annually for engineers and is heavily recruited by industry. If it were me I would go to Rolla.

Gort
12-24-2010, 02:31 PM
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to get some advice from people out there that have either played in college, or had a son that did so.

My son is a high school senior and is being recruited by several smaller D1 programs, and several D2 programs. We have official visits scheduled in January and then the pressure will be on.

Anyway, here is the dilemma. My son and I are disagreeing a little and I wondered if there were any real life experiences I could share with him (that could help us make a good decision together). I like the small football/big education choice, and he likes the bigger football/average education choice.

The school my son likes is a smaller D1 school in the Sun Belt Conference (average attendance 12,000-14,000). They have a pretty exciting spread offense, and the coach has told him he would be utilized heavily as a pulling guard (which is my son's favorite thing to be). As I said, an education is what you make it, but the school is more "average" in the brainpower category. The kicker is that they play at least one big name team every year (last year they played Auburn, the year before the played Alabama). Of course, they get killed these games, but they play in front of 80,000+ SEC fans.

The school I like is a D2 school with a tremendous engineering program. The football program is small, average attendance at games is 2,000-4,000, but the education is awesome. Basically, anyone who graduates with at least a 2.5 is guaranteed a job on graduation. Over 90% of their graduates have a job lined up before the graduate (average starting salary right out of schools os over $57 k).

So, give me some advice or a story before we go on these visits.
What did you choose?
Did you regret it?
What would you choose now?

Thanks.

choosing a college is about alot more than it sounds like either of you are considering (based on the above), but let's assume you're on top of those other factors and it's really boiling down to a choice between level of football (and amoutn of playing time) vs. education quality.

first, the school your son goes to only really matters for your son's first real engineering job out of school, or if your son expects to go to grad school. depending on the type of engineering, there will be 20-30 "top name" schools that will always open doors when a recruiter sees them on a resume. but, you don't get a job based on where you went to school... you get a job based on how good an engineer you are after you've joined the workforce and the quality of your professional network. some people have it, some people don't. a good engineer will always find work, no matter where he went to school. however, one thing to really investigate is whether or not your son would be able to play football at a bigger school and still have the time to study something like engineering. if you're on scholarship at a DI school, time is a precious commodity. the football program expects alot of that time dedicated to football. my football career ended in HS, but i had fraternity brothers who were DI athletes and they just weren't around much because of the demands on their time from the athletic department. if your son is a good student and organized, he can probably handle it... but don't underestimate the balancing act that it will take. freshman and sophomore years in engineering tend to be heavy on "weeder" course designed to weed out the students not really cut out for the engineering courseload. of the major engineering disciplines, i'd say chemical engineering and electrical engineering are the most demanding. mechanical engineering is just a bit less than that. things like nuclear engineering i don't have much firsthand experience with.

cutthemdown
12-24-2010, 06:39 PM
My dad was a really respected engineer. He always said the college boys can't design there way out of a paper bag. I think what school you go to for a job like engineer really important. If he wants a good job right out of school I would choose education over football. Besides it can be fun being a big fish in a small pond.

cutthemdown
12-24-2010, 06:39 PM
My friends in the field all say biomedical engineering the place to be.

broncogary
12-24-2010, 06:48 PM
My friends in the field all say biomedical engineering the place to be.

They do that in a field? ???

ColoradoDarin
12-24-2010, 07:01 PM
You get out of college what you put in, no matter which is the 'better' school. And hey, same thing with life....

NUB
12-24-2010, 07:31 PM
Engineering is intense from what I've seen. They usually put all the engineer kids in the same dorms and they're basically all stressed out 24/7, failing or near-failing, low GPA's (which doesn't effect anything as it's expected), and are basically exhausted all the time. Should work well with football.

SouthStndJunkie
12-24-2010, 08:58 PM
People actually get hired because they played division 1 football. I think you need to look deeply into his academic prowess because even little D1 schools are highly respected by employers. It's nice to put that you played D1 football on your resume.

I agree 100%....that alone will open up a lot of doors for him.

80smith
12-24-2010, 08:59 PM
Education can be achieved throughout life, BUT playing that 1 big team in front of 80,000+ SEC fans......

epicSocialism4tw
12-24-2010, 09:14 PM
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to get some advice from people out there that have either played in college, or had a son that did so.

My son is a high school senior and is being recruited by several smaller D1 programs, and several D2 programs. We have official visits scheduled in January and then the pressure will be on.

Anyway, here is the dilemma. My son and I are disagreeing a little and I wondered if there were any real life experiences I could share with him (that could help us make a good decision together). I like the small football/big education choice, and he likes the bigger football/average education choice.

The school my son likes is a smaller D1 school in the Sun Belt Conference (average attendance 12,000-14,000). They have a pretty exciting spread offense, and the coach has told him he would be utilized heavily as a pulling guard (which is my son's favorite thing to be). As I said, an education is what you make it, but the school is more "average" in the brainpower category. The kicker is that they play at least one big name team every year (last year they played Auburn, the year before the played Alabama). Of course, they get killed these games, but they play in front of 80,000+ SEC fans.

The school I like is a D2 school with a tremendous engineering program. The football program is small, average attendance at games is 2,000-4,000, but the education is awesome. Basically, anyone who graduates with at least a 2.5 is guaranteed a job on graduation. Over 90% of their graduates have a job lined up before the graduate (average starting salary right out of schools os over $57 k).

So, give me some advice or a story before we go on these visits.
What did you choose?
Did you regret it?
What would you choose now?

Thanks.

Some people love the smaller school experience. At his age it almost comes down to gut feel. He'll probably be more comfortable with one than the other.

At the bigger school, he'll have more of a "big man on campus" experience.

elsid13
12-25-2010, 06:28 AM
You need to ask the questions of the coaches because football practices are highly regulated will your son have the opportunity to actually take engineering classes he needs for his major. At bigger school there might be more flexibility in the class scheduling vs a smaller school with limited number of professors.

Dedhed
12-25-2010, 08:43 AM
I played DI college lacrosse, and made my decision on what school to go to based solely on the lacrosse program. My advice, in hindsight, would be don't do that. I hated the area, I hated the class sizes, and most of the people.

Encourage your son to take the whole school into account, not just the football program or just the academics. The area of the country he wants to be in, the type of kids who go to that school, the size, the people, etc

The advice I would give you would be just to try to open his eyes to as many aspects of all the schools that you can, and then stand back and let him make a decision.

Also, my perspective on schools changed drastically after I went on my official visits, and I would suspect your son's might as well. In the end, just give him as much honest information as you can and then turn him loose with the understanding that he's responsible for his decision.