Tebow Truly Arrives

[TheReverend]

His start came a little late, but let's just be appreciative that it's here!

Broncos football slowly starting to look bright again

[Dagmar]

My Tebowner is gigantic.

[Miss I.]

My Tebowner is gigantic.

Hell I think I might have one and that doesn't seem right for a girl (ironically the commercial on tv right now is for viagra). ;D

[frerottenextelway]

This kid is exciting to watch.

[broncobum6162]

What happens if my Tebowner lasts for more than 4 hours?

[Miss I.]

What happens if my Tebowner lasts for more than 4 hours?

I think you should brag to your friends and post it on OM (BTW it's worthless without pics). ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

What happens if my Tebowner lasts for more than 4 hours?

then we won the game.

[broncobum6162]

then we won the game.

Heck yea, and I even picked him up for my Fantasy Football team! Sporting a Tebowner and I'm winning on FF! Booo yaaa! :strong::strong:

[lod01]

T-U-R-D. He is going to set this franchise back a decade. Took the raiders 1 quarter to figure it out. Bring pressure and watch him fold and run.

[jhns]

Tebow is a playmaker. I love what I see so far. Maybe McDaniels did one good thing for this team. He looks better than Orton and this is his first ever NFL start. Why has Orton been starting for this rebuilding team again?

[SoCalBronco]

I'm harder than a diamond right now.

[Clockwork Orange]

That kid is a weapon. He's still got miles to go as a passer, but the multiple dimensions he brings are amazing.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Tebow is such an entertaining player, he may be the only thing that could make us forget Elway for awhile. And thats impressive in its own right.

I'm really excited about this young man and am looking forward to the next 10-15 years of our hard-nosed warrior of a QB.

He's the Blake Griffin of the NFL. ;D
(I had to get some Sooner props in there. ;) )

[Miss I.]

I'm harder than a diamond right now.

Can't decide if I want to ask you if you can cut glass with it or whether it's true Tebowners really are a girl's best friend. ;D

[SoCalBronco]

Can't decide if I want to ask you if you can cut glass with it or whether it's true Tebowners really are a girl's best friend. ;D

Haha....this kid is great. I love his emotion and he's working hard to keep his mistakes in check. That late duck throw to Royal was really the only bad play this half.

[Dukes]

I think you should brag to your friends and post it on OM (BTW it's worthless without pics). ;D

be careful of what you ask for :~ohyah!:

[McDman]

I'd like to see him pass a little more. We need to see some inside medium passes.

Most of his throws have been lobs.

[spdirty]

:strong::smashraid:raidersux:raiderssu:bronxrox:

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[lostknight]

Wow. Our O-line just got epically owned.

[Broncoman13]

This is a dream performance... HOPE... for a franchise looking for a sign of life. I love that emotion, high fiving even the defense and getting everybody amped up. I really didn't expect him to play so mistake free. All kinds of time just now, nothing there so he throws it deep and out of bounds. Saved the FG by not trying to force anything and not taking a sack. The only thing left is to teach him to play safety!

[DomCasual]

This is a dream performance... HOPE... for a franchise looking for a sign of life. I love that emotion, high fiving even the defense and getting everybody amped up. I really didn't expect him to play so mistake free. All kinds of time just now, nothing there so he throws it deep and out of bounds. Saved the FG by not trying to force anything and not taking a sack. The only thing left is to teach him to play safety!

He's like Blade out there! He's running untouched down Meth Alley!

[tsiguy96]

i understand trying to protect tebow, but a RB coach does not make a good HC without coordinator experience, and this shows why. run it non stop, even when the whole game has shown thats not going to work

[ro_50]

Tebow has played good today considering the elements; his own OC awful play calling, the OLine playing like crap and no defense. Injuries to Moreno and Larsen.

[TheReverend]

i understand trying to protect tebow, but a RB coach does not make a good HC without coordinator experience, and this shows why. run it non stop, even when the whole game has shown thats not going to work

Like most HC's, he's not calling the plays... Josh's puppet "OC" is.

[Popps]

Tebow looks great for his first start. Surpassed my hopes.

Conversely, the offensive line is being exposed. Without any threat of a consistent passing game, this line is over-matched on every play. The thing about having Orton in there is that while he's not elusive, he's more of a down-field threat. So, it forces some honesty from defenses. Given, it's the kid's first game... but I believe his development will be a slow process.... which is fine with me if the staff is committed to him.

I'm fine going with the small-ball thing for a couple of years until Tebow gets his game together. But, if we're going to do so... it seems apparent that we'll have to address the O-line yet again... and get some true maulers up front.

[Ratboy]

Play calling as been awful.

I hope every single coach is canned.

[tsiguy96]

Like most HC's, he's not calling the plays... Josh's puppet "OC" is.

yea i know, but the HC is involved in game planning, especially when hes from that side of the ball.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Like most HC's, he's not calling the plays... Josh's puppet "OC" is.
This is why I said before the game that whoever was calling plays would determine to a large extent what kind of game Tebow has, and as I suspected, the convservative play calling scheme really let the Raiders get away from them in the 2nd half once Oakland saw they didn't have to worry about Tim passing it.

Considering the circumstances of this game I think Tebow played superbly today, especially for his first game, ,on the road and against a hated division rival. How we could ask for much more I don't know.

[Orange4Life]

It was a good debut for Timmy today. Played well, I couldn't be more impressed with him. It would of rather beat the fade but on the brightside we helped our draft position and hopefully all the coaches will be gone next year. There was some gutless football being called today.
In the long run this game doesn't matter if we win or lose but our draft position could have a huge impact on our future.

[TheReverend]

This is why I said before the game that whoever was calling plays would determine to a large extent what kind of game Tebow has, and as I suspected, the convservative play calling scheme really let the Raiders get away from them in the 2nd half once Oakland saw they didn't have to worry about Tim passing it.

Considering the circumstances of this game I think Tebow played superbly today, especially for his first game, ,on the road and against a hated division rival. How we could ask for much more I don't know.

He was definitely fantastic today.

[McDman]

Tebow played well, I just don't know why we decided for this to be the one game we run the ball too damn much.

It was ridiculous, especially with Moreno out and our O-line getting mauled.

[footstepsfrom#27]

The best scenario we could have hoped for today, Tebow looked great and teams above us won, moving us higher up the draft board.

[SoCalBronco]

This is why I said before the game that whoever was calling plays would determine to a large extent what kind of game Tebow has, and as I suspected, the convservative play calling scheme really let the Raiders get away from them in the 2nd half once Oakland saw they didn't have to worry about Tim passing it.

Considering the circumstances of this game I think Tebow played superbly today, especially for his first game, ,on the road and against a hated division rival. How we could ask for much more I don't know.

I am extremely happy with his performance. I'm really excited about him going forward.

[meangene]

Tebow - A
Denver Coaches - Epic Fail

[epicSocialism4tw]

Road game at Oakland who are fighting to stay in the playoff race, terrible field conditions, terrible game plan, terrible play calling, a defense with their minds on Hawaii...

All things played against Tebow, but he held up and made plays. Didnt make a mistake.

I can guarantee you that several coaches just became interested in the Denver job. Tebow has "star" written all over him.

[TheReverend]

Road game at Oakland who are fighting to stay in the playoff race, terrible field conditions, terrible game plan, terrible play calling, a defense with their minds on Hawaii...

All things played against Tebow, but he held up and made plays. Didnt make a mistake.

I can guarantee you that several coaches just became interested in the Denver job. Tebow has "star" written all over him.

Absolutely. This move was long overdue. Let's use the draft to get two or three impact, play making defenders, and some FA depth, and come out swinging in 2011.

[Zoobie]

Tebow did great, should've had 2 passing TDs, and no turnovers.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'm intrigued by him. Some nice throws, def looked like a rookie making his first start, but i like what i saw today. Play calling was just....atrocious. Beyond atrocious. The draws, the constant first down runs, the lack of shotgun, the low amount of read options, no bootlegs, no rollouts, just ****ing awful.

[frerottenextelway]

2 (almost 3) TDs and 0 turnovers.

We just need a Defense, Special Teams, Running Back, Tight End and coaching staff and we're pure gold.

[Old Dude]

23-39. blah. We have a long ways to go.

[broncogary]

Tebow looks great for his first start. Surpassed my hopes.

Conversely, the offensive line is being exposed. Without any threat of a consistent passing game, this line is over-matched on every play. The thing about having Orton in there is that while he's not elusive, he's more of a down-field threat. So, it forces some honesty from defenses. Given, it's the kid's first game... but I believe his development will be a slow process.... which is fine with me if the staff is committed to him.

I'm fine going with the small-ball thing for a couple of years until Tebow gets his game together. But, if we're going to do so... it seems apparent that we'll have to address the O-line yet again... and get some true maulers up front.

So the line couldn't pass block because the Raiders weren't playing the pass?

[BroncoSojia]

2 (almost 3) TDs and 0 turnovers.

We just need a Defense, Special Teams, Running Back, Tight End and coaching staff and we're pure gold.

LOL

So that's it, huh?

[oubronco]

Tebow - A
Denver Coaches - Epic Fail

Defense gave up 39 what do they get

[epicSocialism4tw]

Tim looked like a top-5 draft pick today.

Skill, talent, freakish athletic traits, will, and intangibles...he has it all.

[jsco70]

I'm pulling the "super fan" card. If you weren't impressed, energized and enthused with Tebow's performance, than quit calling yourself a Broncos fan and go root for the Bears or Redskins. You know who you are.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Tebow: Change We Can Believe In

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Tim looked like a top-5 draft pick today.

Skill, talent, freakish athletic traits, will, and intangibles...he has it all.

I dunno that i'd go that far, but it was encouraging.

[OCBronco]

Road game at Oakland who are fighting to stay in the playoff race, terrible field conditions, terrible game plan, terrible play calling, a defense with their minds on Hawaii...

All things played against Tebow, but he held up and made plays. Didnt make a mistake.

I can guarantee you that several coaches just became interested in the Denver job. Tebow has "star" written all over him.

This right here. I was thinking early on that Tebow would be really good in an offense that features tons of play action, kind of like what we used to do with Plummer. And I was worried that this would put a limit on him in terms of who could coach him up, or what system he could run. But after today, I think the dude could probably run any offense and be successful with it. Hell, I'd love to see what Tebow could do in the offense that Norv Turner-style offense. Dude is a baller.

[KevinJames]

8-16 138 yds passing 1 TD 0 INTs (should have had 2 TDs one was a easy td dropped)
8 carries for 78 yds rushing and 1 TD

not bad for a rookie making his first start in the NFL on the road in a hostile environment against a top 15 defense. Can't really ask for much more than that especially when the coaching staff is full of complete idiots.

[Cito Pelon]

That dude is a player and a half. Tebow says after the game, "I didn't know what to expect, but it was a lot of fun."

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Regardless of what you thought of Tim's play today, anyone think his mechanics really made a diff?

[ScottXray]

Tebow did fantastic. No mistakes and he really tried. When given any time to throw he put passes where he needed to. Should have had three TDS instead of 2.

Offensive line really sucked. Did ANYONE else have any rushing yards for us?

Coaching and play calling....we need to change those people. This was a major problem.

Defense...Line did okay...
Linebackers were Awful. Especially DJ. Bruton made too many mistakes and left too many holes.

We really need to draft some speed at LB. ILB is a gaping hole in pass coverage.

The only good thing today is we almost have a lock on the #2 pick now.

I don't want it....but lets keep Tebow in and see what he has in the tank. If the D had showed up, and the Offensive play calling had let him more loose he could have pulled this one out.

[meangene]

Defense gave up 39 what do they get

They get an incomplete until next year when, hopefully, they have some more talent and less injury.

[Bronco Yoda]

Road game at Oakland who are fighting to stay in the playoff race, terrible field conditions, terrible game plan, terrible play calling, a defense with their minds on Hawaii...

All things played against Tebow, but he held up and made plays. Didnt make a mistake.

I can guarantee you that several coaches just became interested in the Denver job. Tebow has "star" written all over him.

Yep.

Tebow had a great debut. You couldn't ask more out of him. He's farther along than I think most gave him credit for.

[vercingetorix]

Yep.

Tebow had a great debut. You couldn't ask more out of him. He's farther along than I think most gave him credit for.

Imagine how much further along he would be if he had received more than 5% of the reps and had played before today.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Nobody ever questioned the guy's physical tools, heart, desire, etc. The only question was his ability to make the NFL caliber throws. Limited reps today, but in less than optimal conditions the guy made all the tough throws. He is only going to get better.

[vercingetorix]

It just seems like they were babying him to minimize risk so he wouldnt look bad before his home debut...except he was far better than most ever expected. He actually elevated a 3-10 team and his 8/16 was as impactful as most of Orton's big stat games.

Does anyone think Tebow just did Pat Bowlen and Joe Ellis a massive favor?

[lostknight]

Tebow: Change We Can Believe In

Only use that phrase if Tebow ends up being African American Kyle Orton and more arrogant to boot.

[yerner]

Not great. But good.

[Cito Pelon]

Tebow is one badass dude. He has all the tools in the box.

[epicSocialism4tw]

"He did what we expected of him," Lloyd said. "He kept his poise, he kept his composure, even when it was tough out there. He didn't have any of those situations where he called the wrong play. I was impressed."

[nickademus]

he threw a deep out at one point on a rope and when I saw that I stoped questioning his arm and delivery. Although it isnt the same motion he had at Flordia he looked good. IMHO Clady needs to move over to the right side and we need a couple of road graders next to Walton. Orton just lost his job in Denver.

[Broncoman13]

Tebow is custom made to play in a Shanahan/Kubiak style offense. The best thing that could happen to Tebow is for Kubes to get the job, put the ZBS back in place and use Tebow to his strengths... Bootlegs and rollouts. We'll need a TE and a RB, but I think we're pretty much set on offense should Kubes get the job!

[vercingetorix]

Tebow is custom made to play in a Shanahan/Kubiak style offense. The best thing that could happen to Tebow is for Kubes to get the job, put the ZBS back in place and use Tebow to his strengths... Bootlegs and rollouts. We'll need a TE and a RB, but I think we're pretty much set on offense should Kubes get the job!

This ^^^

[TheReverend]

Tebow is custom made to play in a Shanahan/Kubiak style offense. The best thing that could happen to Tebow is for Kubes to get the job, put the ZBS back in place and use Tebow to his strengths... Bootlegs and rollouts. We'll need a TE and a RB, but I think we're pretty much set on offense should Kubes get the job!

Outside of some potential interior OL issues, I agree.

[Cito Pelon]

Tebow is custom made to play in a Shanahan/Kubiak style offense. The best thing that could happen to Tebow is for Kubes to get the job, put the ZBS back in place and use Tebow to his strengths... Bootlegs and rollouts. We'll need a TE and a RB, but I think we're pretty much set on offense should Kubes get the job!

I'd would not like to see the ZBS again.

[Cito Pelon]

Outside of some potential interior OL issues, I agree.

Come on dude, the ZBS is a faded system, hasn't accomplished anything in years.

[lostknight]

I would really love to see a Nolan/Kubiak duo in Denver. (Nolan as the HC). Anyone who is criticizing the ZBS clearly wasn't watching the game today, where a ZBS team blasted us every which way but up.

[TheReverend]

Come on dude, the ZBS is a faded system, hasn't accomplished anything in years.

Not really...

[Cito Pelon]

Not really...

Please, don't even argue Rev.

[vercingetorix]

Please, don't even argue Rev.

Going into today, Houston was ranked 7th in rushing and 7th in passing. They run the ZBS. Im pretty sure a lot of teams run it and it works.

[zdoor]

I liked what I saw. Too early to tell much but thankfully, we have positives. Like the way he plays and really want the guy to succeed. I'm definitely a Tebow fan.

[TheReverend]

Going into today, Houston was ranked 7th in rushing and 7th in passing. They run the ZBS. Im pretty sure a lot of teams run it and it works.

And Oakland is undefeated in the division with it.

And Indianapolis goes to the playoffs annually with it.

And Green Bay became exponentially more explosive once they made the switch.

And NE is running a LOT more of it this season.

And....

[TheReverend]

Please, don't even argue Rev.

The one part of this thing I will agree with you on is if Walton can't handle his assignments in this blocking scheme, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell in a ZBS

[Tombstone RJ]

His start came a little late, but let's just be appreciative that it's here!

Broncos football slowly starting to look bright again

Wow, we agree on something! ^5

[zdoor]

I liked Tommy Kelly's quote in the DPO article... Apparently he's a Tebow fan

[epicSocialism4tw]

I liked Tommy Kelly's quote in the DPO article... Apparently he's a Tebow fan

The real question is whether or not Turdell Sanders is a Tebow fan.

[Cito Pelon]

Going into today, Houston was ranked 7th in rushing and 7th in passing. They run the ZBS. Im pretty sure a lot of teams run it and it works.

Please. No ZBS scheme has won playoff games consistently since 1998.

[Cito Pelon]

And Oakland is undefeated in the division with it.

And Indianapolis goes to the playoffs annually with it.

And Green Bay became exponentially more explosive once they made the switch.

And NE is running a LOT more of it this season.

And....

Jeez, what?

[Cito Pelon]

The one part of this thing I will agree with you on is if Walton can't handle his assignments in this blocking scheme, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell in a ZBS

Walton, well, I don't want to bag on the guy too much.

[TheReverend]

Please. No ZBS scheme has won playoff games consistently since 1998.

Where in god's name did you get that information from? Hilarious!

[BroncoSojia]

The one part of this thing I will agree with you on is if Walton can't handle his assignments in this blocking scheme, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell in a ZBS

IIRC They ran the ZBS at Baylor while Walton was there.

[Tombstone RJ]

If the Broncos can get any kind of a run game going, Tebow has potential. He's certainly proving the NFL game is not too big for him.

The Broncos have a QB they can work with, now get a great QB coach (maybe keep McDanial's??) and craft the offense around his skill set. Theres no reason the Broncos can't bring back some of the old ZBS. Keep the oline in tack, but work in ZBS.

The Broncos really need to fix their defense, that is what really, really needs to happen. I say bring in a defensive minded HC like Ron Rivera and then bring in an OC like Kubes, continue to develop Tebow and fix the running game.

Trade Orton, dump Quinn and draft another QB in the late rounds. Then bring in a back up vet QB who can step in if Tebow get's injured. If Orton can't be traded then keep him as the back up.

[vercingetorix]

IIRC They ran the ZBS at Baylor while Walton was there.

I kind of agree with him that he hasnt looked good but maybe he'll raise his game next year.

[TheReverend]

IIRC They ran the ZBS at Baylor while Walton was there.

Excellent point that I'd totally forgotten about. Repped.

[epicSocialism4tw]

They also run the ZBS at Oklahoma.

[sirhcyennek81]

First game as starter and Tebow sets a franchise record.

Awesome.

:Broncos:

[Cito Pelon]

Where in god's name did you get that information from? Hilarious!

The school of NFL knowledge.

[TheReverend]

The school of NFL knowledge.

Then I recommend you go back to school, bro. The Colts are perennially deep playoff contenders and last year were JUST IN THE ****ING SUPERBOWL.

[SoCalBronco]

He would have been helped even further if Moreno didn't come up lame............again.

[meangene]

He would have been helped even further if Moreno didn't come up lame............again.

I'm bailing on Moreno. Up to now, I've felt like he has just not been given a fair shot due to injuries and poor OL play, but, I just don't think he is anything more than a change of pace backup. The game today was just too physical for him. As I watch him, he constantly takes himself out of the game, and wears down dramatically as the game goes on. For some reason, he just does not hold up physically. He needs to be part of a heavy rotation to be successful.

[bendog]

Nobody ever questioned the guy's physical tools, heart, desire, etc. The only question was his ability to make the NFL caliber throws. Limited reps today, but in less than optimal conditions the guy made all the tough throws. He is only going to get better.

He had nice touch on some passes,and not just the deep ones he showed at Fla. They need to stop the off tackle and draws now that they've showed them, and let the guy develop in the pocket. He couldn't have been better in his first game

[Maximus]

And Oakland is undefeated in the division with it.

And Indianapolis goes to the playoffs annually with it.

And Green Bay became exponentially more explosive once they made the switch.

And NE is running a LOT more of it this season.

And....

We do not run the ZBS anymore we scrapped it before the season started!

[Dos Rios]

Tebow reminded me for some reason how much I enjoyed watching Plummer. Minimal polish in the pocket, but dangerous on the move and clearly excited to be on the field and ball. For all his flaws, Plummer led (not managed) the team to more wins than losses. And the games were somehow more fun. If Tebow could turn into that type of player, I'd take it.

Of course, now that I think of it, Bubby Brister had a lot of those qualities too, to much different results.

[bendog]

Tebow wants to win and be a great qb. Jake never really had that drive.

[MileHighMagic]

tebow wants to win and be a great qb. Jake never really had that drive.

Wrong!

[TailgateNut]

Tebow wants to win and be a great qb. Jake never really had that drive.

Wow!


Where's that picture of Plummer flipping you off?

[bendog]

Jake would never have learned to play from the pocket. He was a gunslinger. Tebow will do everything he can possibly do to become a qb who can make all the plays. Jake never cared about becoming a total qb, which is why shanny fired him. Tebow might never become a top 5 qb in the NFL, but no one will say he failed for lack of effort or willingness to work 7 days a week, 12 mos a year.

[McDman]

Tebow did alright in his first start, I think people may be over looking some of his mistakes.

The touchdown pass really should have been an interception, it went right through the defenders hands. He probably shouldn't have made that pass in the first place but it ended up working for us.

One of the big things he needs to work on is his decision making, there were too many time when he'd be caught in the pocket and couldn't make a decision on where to go with the ball. Maybe the receivers were all covered, but I doubt that everyone of them were all of those times. This is where being a rookie comes into play and hopefully this will change with experience. I'm thinking this is maybe why McD was hesitant to start him earlier in the year.

I would have like to see more intermediate to short passes to see how he is at putting it on a rope or in the right spot. We know he has a strong arm and looked pretty good on the long ball, now I want to see how he looks with his accuracy. This may have been mostly due to the coaching staff handcuffing him. Once again, this may be him just being a rookie and them not thinking he can do it all.

I saw a lot of positives too, his leadership seems to already be there regardless of his age. When he'd get something done you could see him yelling at his teammates encouraging hem, this is definitely not Orton's strong suite. I think there was one point where he was getting into the defenses face getting them pumped up, I like that a lot.

I think it's obvious that the intangible are there, we just need to see if he will be able to progress his skills as time goes on. One thing I love is at any moment he can change the game. Even though that forty yard run was a broken play it was electrifying.

[edog24]

Man this board seems really bipolar. Last week it seemed like everyone would be pleased if he didn't completely shat the bed, and guess what? He didn't. I thought he played an awesome game, sure he made some bad plays, but this game would have been a bloodbath with Orton in it.

[lostknight]

Tebow reminded me for some reason how much I enjoyed watching Plummer. Minimal polish in the pocket, but dangerous on the move and clearly excited to be on the field and ball. For all his flaws, Plummer led (not managed) the team to more wins than losses. And the games were somehow more fun. If Tebow could turn into that type of player, I'd take it.


Not a chance that Plummer could have done that deep post across his body.

[nickademus]

Come on dude, the ZBS is a faded system, hasn't accomplished anything in years.

tell that to arian foster.

[vercingetorix]

Tebow reminded me for some reason how much I enjoyed watching Plummer. Minimal polish in the pocket, but dangerous on the move and clearly excited to be on the field and ball. For all his flaws, Plummer led (not managed) the team to more wins than losses. And the games were somehow more fun. If Tebow could turn into that type of player, I'd take it.Of course, now that I think of it, Bubby Brister had a lot of those qualities too, to much different results.

Please no!

[The Moops]

The kid played well . . . despite being handcuffed like crap by the broncos coaches. It's not easy going into the black hole on a rainy, muddy field and playing great in your first game. But he did it.

[mkporter]

tell that to arian foster.

ZBS can gain lots of yards, no one is arguing about that. But it has some weaknesses in short yardage situations, and smaller lineman can be a problem when you have to sit back and throw. Arian Foster is loving life, but his team is still mediocre to below average.

[zdoor]

ZBS can gain lots of yards, no one is arguing about that. But it has some weaknesses in short yardage situations, and smaller lineman can be a problem when you have to sit back and throw. Arian Foster is loving life, but his team is still mediocre to below average.

If they had a D their record wouldn't be so abysmal. Their offense is solid but they are right behind us on the quality of their D.

[TheReverend]

Bump for carrying the Broncos to victory while Knowshon nurses his vagina on the sideline.

[chawknz]

No. TODAY he arrived.

[HEAV]

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[epicSocialism4tw]

Tebow looked like the Duke today folks. Not just a shadow of the Duke. The real thing.

Kid is special.

[zdoor]

That was by far the best game to watch we've had in a while.

[loborugger]

While I am about as excited as anyone with Tebow's play and our come from behind victory, can we please NOT go to the Elway comparisons?

[Broncochica]

So glad to finally see all the Tebow support he deserves! Go Tebow!! :yayaya:

[epicSocialism4tw]

While I am about as excited as anyone with Tebow's play and our come from behind victory, can we please NOT go to the Elway comparisons?

How can you not? This was almost uncanny.

The 50-yard bomb, the progressive comeback with excellent throws under duress. The clutch do-or-die third down conversions.

This game reminded me more of an Elway game than any game I have ever seen the Broncos play without him.

[TD4HOF]

While I am about as excited as anyone with Tebow's play and our come from behind victory, can we please NOT go to the Elway comparisons?

Sorry, but you have no idea what you just witnessed.

[loborugger]

Sorry, but you have no idea what you just witnessed.

LOL

Maybe not. I just know the comparison is tired and cliche, even if its finally true this time.

[Requiem]

Even though Tim walks through Dove Valley of the shadow of death, He will fear no evil, for He is with the Broncos, and that is good. :)

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sorry, but you have no idea what you just witnessed.

Tim has something different in him. Orton doesnt have it. Elway did.

Elway will recognize it in Tebow.

[colonelbeef]

ZBS can gain lots of yards, no one is arguing about that. But it has some weaknesses in short yardage situations, and smaller lineman can be a problem when you have to sit back and throw. Arian Foster is loving life, but his team is still mediocre to below average.

Not with the right QB.

You have to get close to the goal line before you can fail near it. The ZBS gets you down the field while wearing down opposing defenses and resting your own defense and controlling the clock and tempo, all of which leads to a winning formula.

Needs the right QB and a defense that can get a stop once in a while to be effective, but when things are right, the sky's the limit.

[TD4HOF]

LOL

Maybe not. I just know the comparison is tired and cliche, even if its finally true this time.

I never ever once compared Brister/Griese/Plummer/Cutler to him. Wouldn't think of it. Tebow? I can see it :pray:

But I know what you mean :wave:

[colonelbeef]

Its really, really nice to have a QB in Denver again who can actually move around in the pocket, can run for a few yards when necessary, can throw on the run, and hit receivers in stride for a change.

Watching Orton in the pocket was killing me inside, very slowly

[loborugger]

I never ever once compared Brister/Griese/Plummer/Cutler to him. Wouldn't think of it. Tebow? I can see it :pray:

But I know what you mean :wave:

I know this - I am just gonna call him Virgin Air.

[jhns]

Tebow should have started all year.

[TD4HOF]

Tebow should have started all year.

Who's to say cutting him down to size and making him watch for a bit wasn't helpful? How would expectations have been if he was starting week 1? *shudder* We'd be blaming his ass for the woes of an entire roster.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Tebow should have played all year. There is no doubt in my mind that the results of this season would have been markedly different had McD utilized Tebow in the redzone and short yardage situations. In hindsight, it might just work out perfect. Get rid of McD in record time, yet draft Tebow. We shall see.

[Elway 4 Life]

The impressive thing about Tebow to me is the elevation of play around him. He gets everyone excited to play. Whether or not he's the second coming of Elway at this point doesnt really matter. He is a sparkplug that ignited this team a little. I'm sold on him and think he willl be good for the team and the fans.

This is the first game this year that i really was excited and really enjoyed. The kid is special.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

The impressive thing about Tebow to me is the elevation of play around him. He gets everyone excited to play. Whether or not he's the second coming of Elway at this point doesnt really matter. He is a sparkplug that ignited this team a little. I'm sold on him and think he willl be good for the team and the fans.

This is the first game this year that i really was excited and really enjoyed. The kid is special.

That pathetic excuse for a defense was fired up after the go-ahead drive. It was like watching a completely different team. You could just feel that there was no way in hell the defense was going to let the Texans score.

[Pony Boy]

Its really, really nice to have a QB in Denver again who can actually move around in the pocket, can run for a few yards when necessary, can throw on the run, and hit receivers in stride for a change.

Watching Orton in the pocket was killing me inside, very slowly

When Tebow took off on the last play and scored, how many thousands of fans thought to themselves "Orton couldn't do that" ....... I know I did.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

When Tebow took off on the last play and scored, how many thousands of fans thought to themselves "Orton couldn't do that" ....... I know I did.

A 17 point halftime deficit = a 30 point loss with Orton.

[Inkana7]

When Tebow took off on the last play and scored, how many thousands of fans thought to themselves "Orton couldn't do that" ....... I know I did.

No, I just thought "Wow, we're winning, great play!"

[OCBronco]

When Tebow took off on the last play and scored, how many thousands of fans thought to themselves "Orton couldn't do that" ....... I know I did.


I know I was saying that to myself on several plays today, especially when Tebow would move around in the pocket to escape pressure.

[sirhcyennek81]

I said "Orton wouldnt do that" when Tebow escaped the sack and threw the ball away.

:Broncos:

[colonelbeef]

When Tebow took off on the last play and scored, how many thousands of fans thought to themselves "Orton couldn't do that" ....... I know I did.

Any time he eludes pressure, throws on the run, or hits a guy in stride, I immediately am reminded of the things Orton couldn't do

[Tankgunner95]

What happens if my Tebowner lasts for more than 4 hours?

Watch a Quifs game that will take care of that!

[sirhcyennek81]

Any time he eludes pressure, throws on the run, or hits a guy in stride, I immediately am reminded of the things Orton couldn't do


This. Tebow can play QB in the NFL. His center exchanges need more work, but he can do this. I dont give a **** if it was the Texans. He did it and made throws alot of people thought he couldnt make.

Good game Denver. Great game Tebow.

Future's so bright (at least at one position...) I've gotta wear shades.

:Broncos:

[colonelbeef]

This. Tebow can play QB in the NFL. His center exchanges need more work, but he can do this. I dont give a **** if it was the Texans. He did it and made throws alot of people thought he couldnt make.

Good game Denver. Great game Tebow.

Future's so bright (at least at one position...) I've gotta wear shades.

:Broncos:

Agreed.

My prognostication for the turnaround timeline has been severely shortened based on Tebow's play. If he continues to develop, coupled with a few key personnel upgrades on the defense, next year might just be interesting after all.

[sirhcyennek81]

Agreed.

My prognostication for the turnaround timeline has been severely shortened based on Tebow's play. If he continues to develop, coupled with a few key personnel upgrades on the defense, next year might just be interesting after all.


Thinking about it, I dont believe our offense is as talent deprived as generally thought earlier this season. The offensive line has improved, and WR is set. A receiving tightend (one not made of glass and glitter) would be a good pickup. Pair Moreno with a bigger back and you have a good running threat there with Tebow added in. Defense should be the focus of this offseason. Bring in youth and quality FA and see what shakes out. If Tebow sucks ass (which I doubt he will) then fine, but at least you have built some strengths into the team.

:Broncos:

[Baba Booey]

Every time a hand brushed Tebow in the pocket and scrambled away from the pressure, I thought, "Orton would have tucked the ball and fallen down from that swat."

[Dr. Broncenstein]

First and goal from the 1 -- we false start. I honestly didn't care. There was no stopping Tebow at that point. You give him a run/pass option with goal-to-go, he can't be stopped. That would have been an instant downgrade to a field goal with Orton.

[sirhcyennek81]

First and goal from the 1 -- we false start. I honestly didn't care. There was no stopping Tebow at that point. You give him a run/pass option with goal-to-go, he can't be stopped. That would have been an instant downgrade to a field goal with Orton.


Orton would not have thrown it at Royal to get the PI...and we would have settled for a 40 yd field goal.


:Broncos:

[colonelbeef]

Thinking about it, I dont believe our offense is as talent deprived as generally thought earlier this season. The offensive line has improved, and WR is set. A receiving tightend (one not made of glass and glitter) would be a good pickup. Pair Moreno with a bigger back and you have a good running threat there with Tebow added in. Defense should be the focus of this offseason. Bring in youth and quality FA and see what shakes out. If Tebow sucks ass (which I doubt he will) then fine, but at least you have built some strengths into the team.

:Broncos:

If you look at today as day 1, without looking back at all of the resources wasted in getting the offense from where it was to where it is, I would agree. I dont have a problem with the offensive talent as it stands (given Tebow is the real deal) so much as I had a problem with how we arrived here.

Assuming Tebow, here is how I see it offensively:

QB is set.
WR is set.
RB is set, better coaching here is the key.
OL needs maybe 1 more upgrade depending on the health of Harris going forward, and better coaching and schemes.
TE needs help in the way of a receiving threat.

The majority of the available money and picks can be spent on the defense, no question about it- and with the right coaching, a few good picks, and talent added via FA, this could be a winning team again in short order.

[McDman]

To be fair to Orton, he probably would have hit some of those open recievers in the first half. Io don't think we're in the same situation of Orton is in the game at the end but if we are we don't win it.

Tebow looked like a rookie but he was impressive with what he did. His intangibles have already shown up. I'm excited to see how he turns out.

[listopencil]

I know this - I am just gonna call him Virgin Air.

Winner.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Winner.

Bill Simmons has been calling him Virgin Air all season

[broncocalijohn]

That pathetic excuse for a defense was fired up after the go-ahead drive. It was like watching a completely different team. You could just feel that there was no way in hell the defense was going to let the Texans score.

That pathetic defense held Texans to only 6 points in the whole 2nd half. That defense, as bad at times as it has been, played a pretty damn good 30 minutes. Give credit where credit is due and that is defense, offense and STs played well.

[zdoor]

First time I can remember driving late in a game and thinking, we're going to score, in a long time...

[McDman]

First time I can remember driving late in a game and thinking, we're going to score, in a long time...

Me too. I'm still not 100% sold on Tebow, no one should be, but I sure am excited about his possibilities.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Me too. I'm still not 100% sold on Tebow, no one should be, but I sure am excited about his possibilities.

What specifically aren't you sold on?

[Zoobie]

Sexual explosion.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

When Tebow took off on the last play and scored, how many thousands of fans thought to themselves "Orton couldn't do that" ....... I know I did.

Kinda thought that the entire last drive.

[THE719!]

It's one game

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Me too. I'm still not 100% sold on Tebow, no one should be, but I sure am excited about his possibilities.

I think this is fair. But again, i think the question of "can he play in the NFL?" has once again morphed to "OK, but how good can he be?"

[Dr. Broncenstein]

It's one game

It's one game that Orton would have lost.

[epicSocialism4tw]

What specifically aren't you sold on?

He didnt throw the um...fly..out...uh...I got nothin'.

[THE719!]

It's one game that Orton would have lost.

if orton played I dont think anyone would be sober enough to watch him play

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Not a single person on this board questions Orton's ability to play quarterback in the NFL. Yet one would be hard pressed to find one person willing to bet on Orton's ability to win a game from a 17 point half-time deficit, against any team. Tebow did it in his second start. The funny thing is that it felt almost expected, and not surprising.

[THE719!]

Not a single person on this board questions Orton's ability to play quarterback in the NFL. Yet one would be hard pressed to find one person willing to bet on Orton's ability to win a game from a 17 point half-time deficit, against any team. Tebow did it in his second start. The funny thing is that it felt almost expected, and not surprising.

totally agreed in the one an half year he has been here I dont think he won a game by himself.... at least i cant think of one right now

[Missouribronc]

There's some serious delusion going on here in this thread, but that was a great comeback by the Broncos.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

totally agreed in the one an half year he has been here I dont think he won a game by himself.... at least i cant think of one right now

Against the Titans, Orton pretty much won the game by himself.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Not a single person on this board questions Orton's ability to play quarterback in the NFL. Yet one would be hard pressed to find one person willing to bet on Orton's ability to win a game from a 17 point half-time deficit, against any team. Tebow did it in his second start. The funny thing is that it felt almost expected, and not surprising.

Tebow looked like a natural. He came up big on the clutch plays, and it almost felt like him winning the game on that last drive was a foregone conclusion. That one play where he got flushed out to his left and fired to Lloyd off of his back foot was top notch. He made several top notch plays in the second half. Guy's a playmaker QB.

[broncocalijohn]

There's some serious delusion going on here in this thread, but that was a great comeback by the Broncos.

Do you try to be on the opposite side of every thinking body here on the Mane?

[rbackfactory80]

After the game I was surprised to hear Tom Jackson speak about Tim is a rather unimpressed manner. He did say that he felt that he deserved to get a "serious" look as the Broncos QB though.

[McDman]

After the game I was surprised to hear Tom Jackson speak about Tim is a rather unimpressed manner. He did say that he felt that he deserved to get a "serious" look as the Broncos QB though.

Well honestly, his first half of play was very poor. If Orton played I don't think we're down 17.

Oh well, it was an awesome game to be at.

[sirhcyennek81]

Well honestly, his first half of play was very poor. If Orton played I don't think we're down 17.

Oh well, it was an awesome game to be at.


Actually he did not play that badly in the first half. Inconsistent a bit and some poor playcalling (run, run, pass on 3rd and long, ect). If Orton would have played it very well could have been 17-0 at half. Its possible if Orton would have played it would have been a 30-17 game with us yet again on the wrong end.

:Broncos:

[Dagmar]

Actually he did not play that badly in the first half. Inconsistent a bit and some poor playcalling (run, run, pass on 3rd and long, ect). If Orton would have played it very well could have been 17-0 at half. Its possible if Orton would have played it would have been a 30-17 game with us yet again on the wrong end.

:Broncos:

It struck me that they took off the handcuffs in the 2nd.

[sirhcyennek81]

It struck me that they took off the handcuffs in the 2nd.


Pretty much the same for me as well. Tebow did look miffed at halftime. And thank God Buerline cut the "I wanna see him make the hard throws..."


:Broncos:

[Broncobiv]

I think a lot of credit has to go to Buckhalter in this game. He converted several 3rd downs that were short passes well-behind the sticks, and he turned them into big gainers and first downs.

Nice game, Buck!!

[BroncosSR]

That pathetic excuse for a defense was fired up after the go-ahead drive. It was like watching a completely different team. You could just feel that there was no way in hell the defense was going to let the Texans score.

Let's be real though. Without that interception, the Texans were going to win the game. They had marched down the field abusing Dawkins like no other. Thank god for the tipped pass or else we more than likely lose this game.

[sirhcyennek81]

Let's be real though. Without that interception, the Texans were going to win the game. They had marched down the field abusing Dawkins like no other. Thank god for the tipped pass or else we more than likely lose this game.


If unicorns were icecream they would be delicious. The game played out the way it played out.

:Broncos:

[ro_50]

I don't get why TJ is so critical of Tebow and has been since Denver picked him.

I love Tom Jackson but for him being an ex-Bronco, he should be at least impressed of how Tebow and this team hasn't laid down and just flat out quit.

[ghwk]

Hell I think I might have one and that doesn't seem right for a girl (ironically the commercial on tv right now is for viagra). ;D

I'm happy for you but there is no describing how good a Good Tebowner feels! Hilarious!

[ghwk]

Tebow looked like a natural. He came up big on the clutch plays, and it almost felt like him winning the game on that last drive was a foregone conclusion. That one play where he got flushed out to his left and fired to Lloyd off of his back foot was top notch. He made several top notch plays in the second half. Guy's a playmaker QB.

Jizz Jizz Jizz! Man love man love man love! LOL

[Drek]

I don't get why TJ is so critical of Tebow and has been since Denver picked him.

I love Tom Jackson but for him being an ex-Bronco, he should be at least impressed of how Tebow and this team hasn't laid down and just flat out quit.

He's been very anti-McDaniels from day one. Being down on Tebow is a natural extension of that.

Kind of like how hating on Moreno and Ayers around here is just standard fair.

[Jason in LA]

Tebow has proved that he can play QB in the NFL. He still has a long way to go to become a legit QB, and it's going to be an uphill battle, but this surely is a great start.

[myMind]

Im impressed, but of course it was the Texans that he performed this miracle against...not really challenging. Ima be at the chuggers game next week, Im preparing for a slaughter...hope im surprised.

[Cito Pelon]

Tebow has proved that he can play QB in the NFL. He still has a long way to go to become a legit QB, and it's going to be an uphill battle, but this surely is a great start.

I think he just needs the repetitions, the experience. Everybody, no matter their profession, has to make mistakes and learn from them. He has the raw ability, the drive, the will to excel. And this is a guy you have to love playing with as a teammate.

[mhgaffney]

You have to be impressed with Tebow's leadership on the field.

The kid obviously feels no pressure. You can see that he loves to play.

He runs well, makes the long throw look easy, protects the ball, scrambles extremely well. In fact, he does everything well.

Can Tebow throw from the pocket? We won't know until Denver's offensive line shows it can give pass protection. Tebow was running for his life most of the game.

Now to draft some premier D players, another offensive lineman, maybe a TE who can catch the ball -- and another RB. Buckhalter is probably at the end of his career.

There is always next year!

[Bronco Yoda]

This game brought back memories long...long...ago. Remember when Reeves would release 'the Elway' and we'd come roaring back.

[broncocalijohn]

This game brought back memories long...long...ago. Remember when Reeves would release 'the Elway' and we'd come roaring back.

too many times! Maybe if Reeves released Elway sooner in the game, we wouldnt have heartattacks watching Elway save us in the 4th quarter against the likes of Marty "play not to lose" Schottenheimer.

[Cito Pelon]

This game brought back memories long...long...ago. Remember when Reeves would release 'the Elway' and we'd come roaring back.

Tebow has such confidence and skills to go along with it, plus leadership, plus he's played in many big games in college. It just seems like something good is gonna happen when he's on the field. And he hasn't been a turnover machine like many rookies are, freezing up like a deer in the headlights. I just don't see any downside to the guy.

He takes the leadership role naturally and he has a smooth enough personality where nobody resents it, it's not a forced thing for the vets to let him be the team leader.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Tebow has such confidence and skills to go along with it, plus leadership, plus he's played in many big games in college. It just seems like something good is gonna happen when he's on the field. And he hasn't been a turnover machine like many rookies are, freezing up like a deer in the headlights. I just don't see any downside to the guy.

He takes the leadership role naturally and he has a smooth enough personality where nobody resents it, it's not a forced thing for the vets to let him be the team leader.

He's an impressive player. Its easy to see why he won so many devoted fans at Florida.

If he wins in Denver and leads to Broncos back to the playoffs, Denver might be the most popular team in the NFL while he's here. You know that kids will love watching this guy play, and that dads will want their kids to watch this guy play.

[BowlenBall]

This game brought back memories long...long...ago. Remember when Reeves would release 'the Elway' and we'd come roaring back.

You're so right! That's exactly what last week vs. the Raiders felt like... serious deja vu!

[gyldenlove]

Gotta say, he made his money yesterday, a QB who can win in the 4th quarter is what we needed all along.

[Missouribronc]

Do you try to be on the opposite side of every thinking body here on the Mane?

Relax there, big guy. I agree with you.

That pathetic defense held Texans to only 6 points in the whole 2nd half. That defense, as bad at times as it has been, played a pretty damn good 30 minutes. Give credit where credit is due and that is defense, offense and STs played well.

[Old Dude]

I'm in the camp that says ... good ... bad ... good.

The good: Passion, energy, mobility and a stronger arm than people give him credit for.

The bad: Lots of double clutches at center, some missed reads, tends to release too slow near EZ and gets rid f ball sooner than optimal on other plays. Tends to leave pocket too soon. In other words, all of the typical problems that mobile rookie QBs display.

But then there's more good .. which is that some of these issues will certainly improve with experience. How soon and how much is the $64,000 question.

[TheReverend]

I'm in the camp that says ... good ... bad ... good.

The good: Passion, energy, mobility and a stronger arm than people give him credit for.

The bad: Lots of double clutches at center, some missed reads, tends to release too slow near EZ and gets rid f ball sooner than optimal on other plays. Tends to leave pocket too soon. In other words, all of the typical problems that mobile rookie QBs display.

But then there's more good .. which is that some of these issues will certainly improve with experience. How soon and how much is the $64,000 question.

It's almost like it's his 2nd NFL game or something :P

[Cito Pelon]

I'm in the camp that says ... good ... bad ... good.

The good: Passion, energy, mobility and a stronger arm than people give him credit for.

The bad: Lots of double clutches at center, some missed reads, tends to release too slow near EZ and gets rid f ball sooner than optimal on other plays. Tends to leave pocket too soon. In other words, all of the typical problems that mobile rookie QBs display.

But then there's more good .. which is that some of these issues will certainly improve with experience. How soon and how much is the $64,000 question.

That's about the size of it. I'm an optimistic kind of guy, so I say he's gonna win a lot of games in the NFL.