Fear that Tebow will prove everyone right?

[Ray Finkle]

Anyone have a fear that Tebow will prove everyone right (and will struggle to be a QB in the league)?

Most QB's first starts I watch and see what the QB can do. I am half fearful of watching what Tebow CAN'T do in this start....

[Popps]

Again, the problem (imo) isn't Tebow struggling. The guy is going to struggle. Almost ever rookie QB struggles. The problem will be the mouth-breathers who proclaim hm a bust after two games... or less.

Mark my words, if he struggles today... you'll see "bust" threads here by dinner-time.

If he struggles next week, you'll see the media jump in and trash him up one side and down the other. Remember, there's a faction of the local and national media that can't wait to see this kid fail.

The real key here will be... does ownership really understand that they're undertaking the development of a PROJECT quarterback, and will they ignore the background noise and give that QB enough time and resources to complete his development. Personally, I hope they do. He was a first round pick, he's got enormous potential and we desperately need a QB to believe in going forward.

[Broncoman13]

Again, the problem (imo) isn't Tebow struggling. The guy is going to struggle. Almost ever rookie QB struggles. The problem will be the mouth-breathers who proclaim hm a bust after two games... or less.

Mark my words, if he struggles today... you'll see "bust" threads here by dinner-time.

If he struggles next week, you'll see the media jump in and trash him up one side and down the other. Remember, there's a faction of the local and national media that can't wait to see this kid fail.

The real key here will be... does ownership really understand that they're undertaking the development of a PROJECT quarterback, and will they ignore the background noise and give that QB enough time and resources to complete his development. Personally, I hope they do. He was a first round pick, he's got enormous potential and we desperately need a QB to believe in going forward.

My concern as well. And the pile on media in Denver probably won't give much of a chance. I'm glad to see Tebow play though, but I realize that most fans aren't nearly as level headed.

If Tebow goes out and throws 4 INTs today, he's going to be labeled a bust pretty quickly. If he goes out and throws 3 TDs, the locals will expect that output every week and will turn on him as soon as he doesn't.

I spoke with Raj about this a while back. The 'casual' fan in Denver really doesn't pay much attention to anything other than statistics with the most important being "pretty wins". Look back to Plummer's final season, we were winning ugly and the fan base wanted Plummer out... with no consideration to what it would do in the locker room or the players respect for their coach.

[ro_50]

I really hope Denver fans won't label that on him right away if he plays bad today or rest of season.

I am all for him playing but this supporting cast he has is not up to par w/ other team's offenses. We have to remember that -- two rookies on the oline -- and one of NFL's two worst defenses or perhaps the worst.

I want to see if if -- and when -- he makes a mistake, how quickly he can bounce back.

[orinjkrush]

i want to see how his winner's attitude affects the rest of the team.

[Crushaholic]

There's no fear, one way or another. It made sense to see what this kid brings to the table, but I hated to sit Orton and his dominant stats. Now that he's injured, give the kid some real game reps. It makes no difference on our post-season chances...

[peacepipe]

then the question is,do you wait 3-4 more yrs to decide Tebow is a bust?
He was a 3rd or 4th round quality player that got drafted in the 1st round.

[worm]

Again, the problem (imo) isn't Tebow struggling. The guy is going to struggle. Almost ever rookie QB struggles. The problem will be the mouth-breathers who proclaim hm a bust after two games... or less.

Mark my words, if he struggles today... you'll see "bust" threads here by dinner-time.

If he struggles next week, you'll see the media jump in and trash him up one side and down the other. Remember, there's a faction of the local and national media that can't wait to see this kid fail.

The real key here will be... does ownership really understand that they're undertaking the development of a PROJECT quarterback, and will they ignore the background noise and give that QB enough time and resources to complete his development. Personally, I hope they do. He was a first round pick, he's got enormous potential and we desperately need a QB to believe in going forward.

You will ALWAYS have threads on a forum representing every perspective under the sun. This topic. Religion. Politics. It doesn't take a clairvoyant to predict that you will see bust threads.

Same goes for the media. You will be able to find something to support whatever perspective you have. People want to see him succeed and people want to see him fail.

The only thing that really matters is the ownership. Like you, I hope they give him the time to develop. He is a Bronco and as sexy as another college QB like Mallet or Luck sounds to draftabators. Tebow should get his shot while we invest in the D in the draft.

[peacepipe]

I really hope Denver fans won't label that on him right away if he plays bad today or rest of season.

I am all for him playing but this supporting cast he has is not up to par w/ other team's offenses. We have to remember that -- two rookies on the oline -- and one of NFL's two worst defenses or perhaps the worst.

I want to see if if -- and when -- he makes a mistake, how quickly he can bounce back.

seems like you are already making excuses for him. the main thing about the offense that isn't up to par with other teams is QB.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I think Tebow is going to be a great player in this league. I'm puzzled as to why it took so long to utilize him in short-yardage and redzone situations. If that's all he ever amounted to -- an unstoppable short yardage / redzone weapon and backup quarterback -- he'd be worth the draft pick.

He will struggle like any rookie quarterback, especially when teams figure out his tendencies and take them away. He has as good of a chance to get beyond this and make the transition based solely on his character.

My concern is that all of this will become moot when the front office is overhauled. Whoever comes in is going to want "his guys." Hopefully Tebow is one of them. My "fear" is that Tebow will be shipped out in an attempt to find a more orthodox franchise quarterback, and his short-yardage utility role will be utilized elsewhere. I think this would be a huge mistake.

[Bronco Yoda]

I doubt he'll be purged so quickly no matter who comes in. After the purging that's already been done and the investment made into this kid. One would think Bowlen would be a little sensative to this and actualy pay attention this time. Then again. . . where's that jack and coke.

[Broncos4tw]

I don't care if he does well or fails to be honest. I just want to know. The team has a prime pick in the draft. We could get the next franchise QB for this team. We just need to know if we should pull the trigger. Hopefully three games will be enough to gauge if Tebow has what it takes to take this team further than 8-8. Pity we didn't see more of him during trash time in so many games this year, when we could have.

[Broncoman13]

I think Tebow is going to be a great player in this league. I'm puzzled as to why it took so long to utilize him in short-yardage and redzone situations. If that's all he ever amounted to -- an unstoppable short yardage / redzone weapon and backup quarterback -- he'd be worth the draft pick.

He will struggle like any rookie quarterback, especially when teams figure out his tendencies and take them away. He has as good of a chance to get beyond this and make the transition based solely on his character.

My concern is that all of this will become moot when the front office is overhauled. Whoever comes in is going to want "his guys." Hopefully Tebow is one of them. My "fear" is that Tebow will be shipped out in an attempt to find a more orthodox franchise quarterback, and his short-yardage utility role will be utilized elsewhere. I think this would be a huge mistake.

Agree with this too. I hope that whoever is brought in takes the opportunity to spend some time with Tebow and understand what he's all about. The kid will work... harder than just about anyone I can think of. I wouldn't count anybody with that type of work effort and character out. Tebow is exactly what you get when Hardwork meets talent!

[Swedish Extrovert]

I think Tebow is going to be a great player in this league. I'm puzzled as to why it took so long to utilize him in short-yardage and redzone situations. If that's all he ever amounted to -- an unstoppable short yardage / redzone weapon and backup quarterback -- he'd be worth the draft pick.


As if Tebow (or any 1st round pick) would be okay with warming the bench except during the redzone.

[Bronco Yoda]

I don't care if he does well or fails to be honest. I just want to know. The team has a prime pick in the draft. We could get the next franchise QB for this team. We just need to know if we should pull the trigger. Hopefully three games will be enough to gauge if Tebow has what it takes to take this team further than 8-8. Pity we didn't see more of him during trash time in so many games this year, when we could have.

IMO three games just isn't enough time. That coupled with severe need for Defense at all positions should make the Tebow starts a moot point in this regard.

[Jay3]

He would be proving "everyone" right. Plenty of people who know football were high on Tebow. I think he would have been the second quarterback taken no matter what, possibly picked by:

Arizona
Minnesota
Cleveland
Carolina

[CEH]

Given that Elway was very surprised that Tebow didn't get any first team snaps at all this year until this week I think he realizes that the kid is not being put into any type of environment to succeed. I highly doubt the coaches can put together a game plan let alone one designed around Tebow

I'm not that worried about the team giving a project QB time especially when ownership pulled the plug on one guy who might be able to groom a project QB.

What I want are sound football decision made and a commitment to rebuilding this franchise

Also think Elway and whomever can critique Tebow before now and the draft and make a decision which way to proceed.

[vercingetorix]

I really hope Denver fans won't label that on him right away if he plays bad today or rest of season.

I am all for him playing but this supporting cast he has is not up to par w/ other team's offenses. We have to remember that -- two rookies on the oline -- and one of NFL's two worst defenses or perhaps the worst.

I want to see if if -- and when -- he makes a mistake, how quickly he can bounce back.

Sports talk radio is a big problem. Radio personalities like to be critical of Tebow because they know he has a lot of fans and they know if they say something scathing or provocative about him, fans will call in.

But then this negativity carries over into some of the people listening. The negativity generated by the local radio hacks becomes pervasive.

Its insane to come to a conclusion based on one, two, or even 3 games. Elway was pretty awful in his first three games and he might be the best QB prospect in the history of the league.

[mattob14]

My concern is that all of this will become moot when the front office is overhauled. Whoever comes in is going to want "his guys." Hopefully Tebow is one of them. My "fear" is that Tebow will be shipped out in an attempt to find a more orthodox franchise quarterback, and his short-yardage utility role will be utilized elsewhere. I think this would be a huge mistake.

I don't know if that will be the case. I think Tebow is the perfect no-risk, high-reward player for the new regime. Whether you think he'll be an NFL QB or not, I think everyone is at least intrigued to see what happens. If I'm a new coach/GM, I give him a year or two as my QB. If he's successful, you take the credit for "developing" him, and have your starting QB for 10 years. If not, blame McD for overpaying for a guy who will never be an NFL-level QB, find another QB to develop, and hopefully buy yourself more time on the job. In the game of NFL politics, Tebow may be the ultimate win-win for a new coach and GM.

[Los Broncos]

Its going to be a diasaster.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Nobody knows what kind of offensive game plan Studesville can put together that utilizes Tebos, or their OC...who is actually calling the plays anyway? Anybody with half a brain can see the conditions Tebow's got at the moment suck but it's still possible to see what kind of ability the kid has and make at least some kind of evaluation. They do not need a QB controversy striking alongside the new regime wheneer a GM is hired and straight from the box we have another thing to argue abo9ut. Tebow needs to get his shot no matter what and people need to chill the freak out on trying to analyze every move the guy makes. I mean analyze his progress but have some sense of what you're supposed to be seeing at this point and adjust accordingly.

I think Tebow is going to be someone's answer, I just hope it's ours.

[chanesaw]

Tim Tebow is not afraid. Today on his facebook he posted Psalms 23:4.

For those that don't want to look it up:

Psalm 23

1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Broncos fans should afford Tebow the same leeway that they afforded Griese, Plummer, Cutler, and Orton as they worked themselves into relative proficiency.

Its pretty silly that people are saying that you can figure out whether or not he is an NFL QB over the next three games.

Tebow will need all of next season and the season after it to prove or disprove that.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Tim Tebow is not afraid. Today on his facebook he posted Psalms 23:4.

For those that don't want to look it up:

Psalm 23

1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

Well, he is going into Oakland to get his first start. Its kind of like walking through the shadow of the valley of death. ;D

[footstepsfrom#27]

Fans and media sayint he's going to prove or disprove something in 3 weeks obviously don't have a clue, but I seriously doubt even this coaching staff is that dumb. The guy just needs to get some time and there's no reason not to play him now. We ought to be looking at the next three games as exhibition games designed to get a head start on the draft so I for one won't be stressing over this one, no how it comes out.

[vercingetorix]

Fans and media sayint he's going to prove or disprove something in 3 weeks obviously don't have a clue, but I seriously doubt even this coaching staff is that dumb. The guy just needs to get some time and there's no reason not to play him now. We ought to be looking at the next three games as exhibition games designed to get a head start on the draft so I for one won't be stressing over this one, no how it comes out.

Well, this seasons lost. If Tebow can gain valuable experience this year that might minimize the learning curve next year, he should play.

[Boobs McGee]

you know who should be "fearful" right now? Every McD hater. When Timothy Richard carries us to victory today over those ass pirates, they're all going to have to thank their lucky stars we had a coach that took a risk on him.

[zdoor]

You will ALWAYS have threads on a forum representing every perspective under the sun. This topic. Religion. Politics. It doesn't take a clairvoyant to predict that you will see bust threads.

Same goes for the media. You will be able to find something to support whatever perspective you have. People want to see him succeed and people want to see him fail.

The only thing that really matters is the ownership. Like you, I hope they give him the time to develop. He is a Bronco and as sexy as another college QB like Mallet or Luck sounds to draftabators. Tebow should get his shot while we invest in the D in the draft.

I agree. There will be posts all over the place as there always is, doesn't mean anything. I just want to see promise and I think most would be satisfied with that.

[zdoor]

you know who should be "fearful" right now? Every McD hater. When Timothy Richard carries us to victory today over those ass pirates, they're all going to have to thank their lucky stars we had a coach that took a risk on him.

I don't think the Tebow pick, at least for me, had anything to do with my opinion of McDaniels. I'm rooting for Tebow to succeed and i think there are a pretty large amount of people who thought McDaniels was a disaster and still want Tebow to pan out.

[vercingetorix]

you know who should be "fearful" right now? Every McD hater. When Timothy Richard carries us to victory today over those ass pirates, they're all going to have to thank their lucky stars we had a coach that took a risk on him.

Except he didnt play him.

[Boobs McGee]

Except he didnt play him.

except he drafted him.

[Boobs McGee]

I don't think the Tebow pick, at least for me, had anything to do with my opinion of McDaniels. I'm rooting for Tebow to succeed and i think there are a pretty large amount of people who thought McDaniels was a disaster and still want Tebow to pan out.

That's all fine and good. My point is, when Tebow turns into one of the greats, all of the people who have spewed nothing but hatred towards are former coach are NEVER going to be able to escape the fact that he drafted our future...and for that, they should be thankful.

[zdoor]

That's all fine and good. My point is, when Tebow turns into one of the greats, all of the people who have spewed nothing but hatred towards are former coach are NEVER going to be able to escape the fact that he drafted our future...and for that, they should be thankful.

I got no problem giving credit where it's due. I hope he was right and I would love for the guy to turn into our future QB.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Except he didnt play him.

Which made absolutely no sense to me. For example, look at what happened to the redzone production after McD started using Tebow as a role player. It went from god awful to unstoppable when Tebow was in the game.

[zdoor]

Which made absolutely no sense to me. For example, look at what happened to the redzone production after McD started using Tebow as a role player. It went from god awful to unstoppable when Tebow was in the game.

Yup

[razorwire77]

Broncos fans should afford Tebow the same leeway that they afforded Griese, Plummer, Cutler, and Orton as they worked themselves into relative proficiency.

Its pretty silly that people are saying that you can figure out whether or not he is an NFL QB over the next three games.

Tebow will need all of next season and the season after it to prove or disprove that.

Seriously, saying that we'll get a barometer of how good a QB he'll be next year based on these three games is retarded. Elway was one of the most physically gifted prototypical prospects to ever be drafted, and he struggled for the majority of the last 6 or 7 games of the 83 season that he started. And that 83 team was a helluva lot more competitive than what we have now, and we didn't have an interim coach.

[bpc]

Potentially judging a QB in their 1st ever start? That would be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard of it. Hopefully nobody is that stupid, although I'm sure there are some in the media who would love to pile on quick.

[DarkHorse]

The mistakes that I think we may see, and that I want to see are:

Center exchange
Pocket Presence
Drop back footwork
Late throws


The reason I want to see these are mainly to see how he reacts after he makes each of these mistakes. Will he continue to make them or can he correct them in-game?

He's going to need time to develop but for right now he's a much needed breathe of fresh air win or lose, ugly or awesome.

[Kaylore]

I want to know one way or the other if he's going to be an NFL QB. If he's not, we can move on. If he is, we can trade Orton. But we need to know.

[broncocalijohn]

Yes I fear a failure because we spent a 1st round pick on him. Problem with Tebow in people's eyes (including media) is that he has a big percentage of failure. Elway was considered the savior for Denver and I am sure no more than a few people had him as a bust. Elway struggled and still was loved in Denver because they knew what he was going to bring to the Broncos. It should be the opposite with Tebow as this year is dust and he should have a learning curve. I want to win these next three games but having him play instead of Orton (if Orton is still our best option to win), but we get an extended "preseason" of 2011 for the next three games and they are against #1 defenses and they count. I hope Tebow gives us a reason to celebrate something good for 2010. If not for at least this game, he would need to look dazed and confused to give him too much grief for this afternoon.

[Bronco Yoda]

you know who should be "fearful" right now? Every McD hater. When Timothy Richard carries us to victory today over those ass pirates, they're all going to have to thank their lucky stars we had a coach that took a risk on him.

Settle down there Cowboy. We're all Bronco fans here. Some just dumber than others. ... and I don't hold that against any of you Hilarious!

[broncocalijohn]

Except he didnt play him.

correct but the main question here is why does TJ let you back here when we all know you are Lex and were perma banned here (and your new Vercingetorix was banned after one day)?

[vercingetorix]

The mistakes that I think we may see, and that I want to see are:

Center exchange
Pocket Presence
Drop back footwork
Late throws


The reason I want to see these are mainly to see how he reacts after he makes each of these mistakes. Will he continue to make them or can he correct them in-game?

He's going to need time to develop but for right now he's a much needed breathe of fresh air win or lose, ugly or awesome.

I think McCoy deserves to be scrutinized today as well.

They need to take shots downfield. Denver needs to threaten Oakland deep if theyre not going to have people in coverage. If McCoy wants to insist on having Tebow run plays that are short all the time, its going to result in Safeties creeping up and picking it off when Oakland blitzes.

[sirhcyennek81]

What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

:Broncos:

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I want to know one way or the other if he's going to be an NFL QB. If he's not, we can move on. If he is, we can trade Orton. But we need to know.

Hypothetically speaking: If Tebow proves incapable of being a starter, would you be satisfied with using him strictly as a role player? Especially if it meant a significant boost to redzone touchdowns and third down conversions?

I think he is already that weapon if the powers that be would just use him... and he would be well worth the draft pick and roster spot for that type of production.

[Hamrob]

then the question is,do you wait 3-4 more yrs to decide Tebow is a bust?
He was a 3rd or 4th round quality player that got drafted in the 1st round.I disagree, his talent is off the charts and he would not have lasted past the 1st half of the 2nd round.

Not many QB's can step in during their rookie year and excel. Those who do...only do, because they have a great team built around them...Oline, Running Game, Defense. Those (include Peyton Manning) who get thrown into the fire with the type of squad we currently have...generally bomb.

I think the things we need to look for...are the signs of potential. Does he have a strong arm, can he be and is he accurate with his throws, can he extend a play, can he make plays, can he scramble, and other intangibles.

He's going to struggle and he's going too make mistakes...but, can he flash raw talent and potential while he goes through the learning pains?

Elway looked horrible when he played as a rookie...but, you could just see that raw talent and how the team responded to him.

[Requiem]

The questions on the long-term people are seeking on just one game, perhaps three are a little too far-fetched. We are not going to know if he is the answer based off today in Oakland or the two other games he could potentially start. The situation is so ambiguous anyways.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I want to know one way or the other if he's going to be an NFL QB. If he's not, we can move on. If he is, we can trade Orton. But we need to know.

Well, you're going to be disappointed.

Its going to take awhile.

And if the anti-Tebow clown parade think that all they need is these three weeks to throw Tebow out of town, then they better think again. Tebow sold more jerseys than any other player in the league...without starting a single game up to this point. What do you guys think will happen if he becomes even a middle-of-the-road QB like Orton or Plummer? He'll be one of the most popular players in the NFL. And he'll sell even more jerseys. Right now about all that Bowlen has going for him in terms of the Broncos is Tebow's jersey sales.

Tebow deserves a shot. He has done nothing but work hard and do what his coaches ask of him. Lets watch him grow. Its a long process that will take a couple of years.

[vercingetorix]

except he drafted him.

Sorry but if Tebow performs well, the question will be about why he wasnt played sooner. The speculation would be that he might have saved his job.

[Vegas_Bronco]

I am sitting here in the front range grill (c gate- haters) in the denver airport watching the chiefs fail...tebow shiat is all over this airport. My three slider dogs even taste of teb....ERRRRRRR, well ANYWAY, the light rail is old news source u haggs. This little fruit fly just wizzzed by my grub and revealed to me that Tebow is the real deal...he will not only crush the heisman curse but will be known as the holy trinity along with demarius and knosho (theholy ghost)...winning three straight afc west championships and 2superbowls in the nxt 3 years...word! He also said that the term 'fruitfly' is offensive as there is much more gay fruit in the human race...so gtfo.

I walked by a chiefs fan earlier...no chin, underbite and glasses...it wasn't pretty but expected.

[lostknight]

What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

:Broncos:

Shakespeare mojo!

I love it

[epicSocialism4tw]

I am sitting here in the front range grill (c gate- haters) in the denver airport watching the chiefs fail...tebow shiat is all over this airport. My three slider dogs even taste of teb....ERRRRRRR, well ANYWAY, the light rail is old news source u haggs. This little fruit fly just wizzzed by my grub and revealed to me that Tebow is the real deal...he will not only crush the heisman curse but will be known as the holy trinity along with demarius and knosho (theholy ghost)...winning three straight afc west championships and 2superbowls in the nxt 3 years...word! He also said that the term 'fruitfly' is offensive as there is much more gay fruit in the human race...so gtfo.

I walked by a chiefs fan earlier...no chin, underbite and glasses...it wasn't pretty but expected.

LOL

Knosho the holy ghost? Brilliant!

[bfoflcommish]

to be fair I called him a bust even before Broncos traded up and drafted him, in fact I said that day I will laugh at any team who drafts him...yes i yelled and then laughed at broncos.

I hope he proves me wrong

[chawknz]

Again, the problem (imo) isn't Tebow struggling. The guy is going to struggle. Almost ever rookie QB struggles. The problem will be the mouth-breathers who proclaim hm a bust after two games... or less.
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This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I am very anxious about this game. I really hope Tebow goes out there and lights the place up.

At worst, I just hope he does all the right things, win or lose.

Worse case scenario would be if he throws INTs / fumbles all over the place and gets replaced by Quinn. I'd hate to hear the vitriol that will produce.

[Old Dude]

Moreno and the O-Line are healthy, he's got an excellent group of receivers. He should do fine. Not spectacular, but fine. Biggest problem will be if and when we fall way behind and have to abandon the run.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

:Broncos:


haha i like it

[SoCalBronco]

It's going to take time regardless. Virtually no one comes in as a rookie and lights it on fire. All I am looking for at this point is a couple flashes of brilliance here and there and a few decent drives. I KNOW he will make mistakes, I know there will be huge errors in this game, probably many of them. That's fine, he's a hard worker, if given the oppurtunity, he will make it through sheer willpower alone. Just show me a couple things here and there and I'm satisfied at this point. I have realistic expectations.

[chanesaw]

Maybe he can play as well as some of the rookies have against us.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

He really couldn't have been thrown into a worse situation (coach fired, team quit, defense can't stop anyone), there's really nothing that could happen over the next 3 games that will make me think he's a bust at this point.

Hopefully he can show something though.

[Play2win]

Shakespeare mojo!

I love it

Tombstone MOJO... ;D

[ro_50]

It's going to take time regardless. Virtually no one comes in as a rookie and lights it on fire. All I am looking for at this point is a couple flashes of brilliance here and there and a few decent drives. I KNOW he will make mistakes, I know there will be huge errors in this game, probably many of them. That's fine, he's a hard worker, if given the oppurtunity, he will make it through sheer willpower alone. Just show me a couple things here and there and I'm satisfied at this point. I have realistic expectations.


Couldn't have said it better than that! Well put!

[scttgrd]

I just wonder if Tebow had played for a different team in college, would things have been different. If he had played for Duke or Kentucky without all that first round talent surrounding him would he still have been the golden boy he is now?

[epicSocialism4tw]

I just wonder if Tebow had played for a different team in college, would things have been different. If he had played for Duke or Kentucky without all that first round talent surrounding him would he still have been the golden boy he is now?

There's a reason Tebow played at Florida instead of Kentucky or Duke, and its the same reason he was drafted in the first round.

I mean come on...the guy is arguably the greatest college player of all time.

[scttgrd]

There's a reason Tebow played at Florida instead of Kentucky or Duke, and its the same reason he was drafted in the first round.

I mean come on...the guy is arguably the greatest college player of all time.

You could put more than a few QB's on that team and have the same kind of success, when you have half an NFL team around you how much pressure could there be. How good would Fitzpatrick of Buffalo have been on that Florida team. He has been good in the NFL against far better teams. But they are always in it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You could put more than a few QB's on that team and have the same kind of success, when you have half an NFL team around you how much pressure could there be. How good would Fitzpatrick of Buffalo have been on that Florida team. He has been good in the NFL against far better teams. But they are always in it.

That's ridiculous man.

"Yeah, but if you put Rex Grossman on the Denver Broncos mini-dynasty, they'd still have been awesome." Hilarious!

You are going out of your way to hate on Tebow.

I have a feeling he'll have even won your hater butt over when its all said and done.

[snowspot66]

You could put more than a few QB's on that team and have the same kind of success, when you have half an NFL team around you how much pressure could there be. How good would Fitzpatrick of Buffalo have been on that Florida team. He has been good in the NFL against far better teams. But they are always in it.

Well who are some great NFL QB's who played on great college teams? I think that would be a better comparison.

[scttgrd]

Well who are some great NFL QB's who played on great college teams? I think that would be a better comparison.

Look at the top QB's in the NFL. Manning Tennessee, Brees Purdue, Rivers NC state, Brady a Michigan backup. Have a look around the NFL and see where the better QB's played college ball. I was surprised, and I think you will be too.

[Ray Finkle]

he looked better than I thought he did....when he was allowed to throw, I thought he did well.

[bombay]

Tebow did a good job today. I'd like to see them take the shackles off a litte more next week.

[vercingetorix]

He really couldn't have been thrown into a worse situation (coach fired, team quit, defense can't stop anyone), there's really nothing that could happen over the next 3 games that will make me think he's a bust at this point.

Hopefully he can show something though.

Id say he did that and more.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I just wonder if Tebow had played for a different team in college, would things have been different. If he had played for Duke or Kentucky without all that first round talent surrounding him would he still have been the golden boy he is now?
So do you wonder this about every player who comes into the NFL with high expectations, or just Tebow? Seriously...Duke? You're wondering if he'd be the same hotshot if he'd played for Duke? I'm guessing...no.

Now what do you do with that?

[frerottenextelway]

A lot of great QBs have come from Duke like Sonny Jurgensen and ... ummm... and.... uhhh.... hmmm....

[epicSocialism4tw]

A lot of great QBs have come from Duke like Sonny Jurgensen and ... ummm... and.... uhhh.... hmmm....

Bobby Hurley. ;D

[dsmoot]

I just wonder if Tebow had played for a different team in college, would things have been different. If he had played for Duke or Kentucky without all that first round talent surrounding him would he still have been the golden boy he is now?

Definitely it would be different. No national championships, no Heisman, little or no national exposure. Completely different. His toughness, leadership, physical skills would have flown under the radar. Would it make him a different person, not really. However, he got to Florida because his talent merited it. So, not much point to dwell on it.

[mwill07]

The mistakes that I think we may see, and that I want to see are:

Center exchange
Pocket Presence
Drop back footwork
Late throws


The reason I want to see these are mainly to see how he reacts after he makes each of these mistakes. Will he continue to make them or can he correct them in-game?

He's going to need time to develop but for right now he's a much needed breathe of fresh air win or lose, ugly or awesome.
to my untrained eye, I saw no problems with any of the above.

[DivineLegion]

There's a reason Tebow played at Florida instead of Kentucky or Duke, and its the same reason he was drafted in the first round.

I mean come on...the guy is arguably the greatest college player of all time.

Phillip Rivers had Koren Robinson and Jericho Cotchery to throw the ball to.