Expectations of Tebow.

[lostknight]

Passes Yardage YPA TDs INT
10/21 143 6.8 2 2
19/41 166 4.0 0 3
25/39 216 5.5 1 2

The First numbers are Cutler's numbers from his debut as a Denver Bronco in 2006. Like Cutler, Jay is coming in to fill in for a quarterback that has fallen flat on his face.

The second set of numbers are Orton's numbers from last week.

The final set of numbers are Jake Plummers numbers the week prior to his benching in 2006.

Like it or not, we all know that Jay is a rougher prospect then Cutler was. We also know that this offense has been unable to get anything at all going consistently this year. Lots of yards, not a lot of wins.

What numbers are people expecting from Tebow? I don't think a 2-3 TD performance is out of the question, but I don't think a 2-3 interception performance is either. Rookie QB's are doing awesome if they end up even on interceptions : touchdowns.

This offense is completely worn to the born. They are facing one of the best d-lines in football, and a good (but highly overrated) secondary. Oakland is great at shutting down the run.

The key from my point of view is to get Tebow back in shotgun all day long, where he played in college. Mix into that a number of bootleg, traps and go to the park, etc. Plays that keep the pocket clean, and keep his passing lanes uncomplicated. Stay away from screens. Stay away from three deep reads. Max protect with two receivers, not four. The spread look wasn't buying us much anyways.

Bad news is that Oakland dominates in the zone, and they are likely to do noting but zone all day long, both to put pressure on Tebow, but also because they play better that way. Tebow is going to have to capitalize on the fact that Oakland typically does not cover the first receiver all that well, and also be a constant threat.

We know that this defense can make stops the first few series of the game. If the Broncos can convert a few times, and really speed up the clock by running the ball effectively - limiting how much the defense can run, they can win this game.

What do you all expect? I really wanted them to wait till next season, but it is what it is. Anything better then zero touch downs and three interceptions is a improvement. If it's worse then that, we need to see Tebow start to improve.

[Inkana7]

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[extralife]

I expect an awful game where Tim makes one great play to stop us from drinking ourselves to death.

[TailgateNut]

I expect him to walk on ****ing water like all of his nutsack cradlers have predicted about him.

If not, ditch him like a $10 whore.

[vancejohnson82]

Here's my thought:

15-25 210 1 1

and about 25 rushing yards

[Doggcow]

Probably like 6 TD's.

4 rushing, 2 passing.

[razorwire77]

It's not going to be as bad as a lot of you are predicting. Oakland has an above average defense, but they're not the reincarnation of the 86 Bears. If we can get Moreno on track early, give Tebow some 3 and 3 rather than 3 and 8 situations. He'll be OK. I imagine we'll see a couple of interceptions, a few horrible throws, but we'll also see a 3 and 5 where he breaks a tackle and scrambles for 10 yards, or a play where protection breaks down and he gets outside and makes a throw down field.

[Boomhauer]

A few nice short-yardage plays, but mostly rides-pine as Quinn starts ... I hope.

[Swedish Extrovert]

For a rookie, in our broken team, first start, in the black hole?

9-for-20, 120 yards, 1 rushing TD, 0 passing TD, 2INTs

[Rigs11]

Hate to say it but the kid is going to get destroyed.starting him at okaland is a bad idea.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Hate to say it but the kid is going to get destroyed.starting him at okaland is a bad idea.

Agree. This isn't going to be pretty. I'm just hoping they don't get shutout.

[Rigs11]

Agree. This isn't going to be pretty. I'm just hoping they don't get shutout.

Yep. And they'll all blame mcd for drafting a bust.

[DBroncos4life]

Yep. And they'll all blame mcd for drafting a bust.

He is the only thing that McD did that I was really happy about.

[Zoobie]

16/27 235 yards 1 TD, 0 INTs, 43 yards rushing on 5 carries.

[NFLBRONCO]

Probably like 6 TD's.

4 rushing, 2 passing.

I agree if he faced our D

[Requiem]

I don't have any expectations. If he can lead our offense to putting more points on the board than our pedestrian offense of late, I'm all for it.

Tim is obviously going to have ups and downs. I'm certainly hoping he can do some great things, but errors are going to happen.

Prediction? No clue, but Moreno is going to get a lot of reps this week.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I expect him to walk on ****ing water like all of his nutsack cradlers have predicted about him.

If not, ditch him like a $10 whore.
Quit being dumb and check out Elways rookie season:

Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
John Elway 123 259 47.5 1663 6.42 7 14 54.9

Nice eh?

[Rohirrim]

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[Liquid Courage]

I don't give a crap what his stats look like. I just want him to man up back there and act like a real QB and a real leader that the players could rally around instead of a folding chair, 4 year old or fainting goat!

[footstepsfrom#27]

Passes Yardage YPA TDs INT
10/21 143 6.8 2 2
19/41 166 4.0 0 3
25/39 216 5.5 1 2

The First numbers are Cutler's numbers from his debut as a Denver Bronco in 2006. Like Cutler, Jay is coming in to fill in for a quarterback that has fallen flat on his face.

The second set of numbers are Orton's numbers from last week.

The final set of numbers are Jake Plummers numbers the week prior to his benching in 2006.
How bout these numbers? 1-8, 14 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT...that was Elway's first game against Pittsburgh. People need to back off and let the kid breath at least. We have 3 games to see what happens before anyone should even form an opinion of the direction he's going.

[Cool Breeze]

I think he will be the egyptian magician and pull **** out his ass.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I don't expect Denver to win this week with Tim Tebow at QB....but the offense will be a lot more exciting to watch.

I expect him to throw a few INTs and to make some mistakes....but I also expect him to make some plays when things break down....you know the time when Kyle Orton usually curls up in the fetal position and faints.

[Homer Simpson]

With all the hype on Tebow I see Knowshon having a good game.

[DarkHorse]

How bout these numbers? 1-8, 14 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT...that was Elway's first game against Pittsburgh. People need to back off and let the kid breath at least. We have 3 games to see what happens before anyone should even form an opinion of the direction he's going.

Thank you.

This next game or 3 does not make or break Tebow IMO.

[Dagmar]

How bout these numbers? 1-8, 14 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT...that was Elway's first game against Pittsburgh. People need to back off and let the kid breath at least. We have 3 games to see what happens before anyone should even form an opinion of the direction he's going.

But daaaaaad, I wanna make a decision after his first pass and stick to it!!!

[peacepipe]

Oakland is going to put 8-9 in the box & force Tebow to beat them.
12/33 120 yds 1 td 3 ints

[ColoradoDarin]

57/21 for eleventy billion yards 94 TDs and 3 Ints. We still lose 659-658. People will blame the offense.

[Dagmar]

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[DarkHorse]

OT here - does anyone have any clue why I cannot start a new thread using ANY browser that I try?


It's been like this for about a year I just haven't worried about it, now it's just plain pissing me off.

[Dagmar]

OT here - does anyone have any clue why I cannot start a new thread using ANY browser that I try?


It's been like this for about a year I just haven't worried about it, now it's just plain pissing me off.

Start the thread but in the title just use one letter. Than go back in, hit edit, hit advanced edit and put your full title.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I've got just one question; who is actually calling plays now...and how will that individual's play calling impact whether Tebow is given a free hand to make plays or whether they try to have him be a bus driver and keep him on a short leash. This to me, is the key to what we see Tebow do at this point. I know they're sayihng he's being given the entire offfense, but how will they call the actual plays on game day?

[DarkHorse]

15 of 34 212 1TD 2INT

4 carries 18 yards

Picks up 2 first downs by escaping pocket pressure that would make Orton shiat in his drawers.

I'm guessing they give him a chance to sling the ball around the yard.

[DarkHorse]

Start the thread but in the title just use one letter. Than go back in, hit edit, hit advanced edit and put your full title.

That is the gayest ever - but it worked.


Now - this is a website problem? And why has it been broken for so long?

[ICON]

I think He finishes with 45 yards rushing on 10 carries, 231 yards passing and two touchdowns on 30 throws.

[DarkHorse]

I've got just one question; who is actually calling plays now...and how will that individual's play calling impact whether Tebow is given a free hand to make plays or whether they try to have him be a bus driver and keep him on a short leash. This to me, is the key to what we see Tebow do at this point. I know they're sayihng he's being given the entire offfense, but how will they call the actual plays on game day?

I think Moreno will dictate this. If he has one of his mediocre 70 yard days it will show early - I think they let Tebow sling the ball, may as well we have nothing to lose but a draft slot at this point.

They experts say he can't play QB, well, let's see how he does in a pass heavy gameplan.

[Tim]

17/26 260 yds 2 td 1 int

I hope he connects with some of the younger offensive players like cutler did with marshall and scheff in 06.

[DarkHorse]

17/26 260 yds 2 td 1 int

I hope he connects with some of the younger offensive players like cutler did with marshall and scheff in 06.


Our 'new' young receiver never got the instructions on how to remove the tampon once inserted so count that out.

[sirhcyennek81]

Lots of rollouts, playaction. Run heavy offense. They will probably simplify the number of reads he has to make, like option a or b. If not there, tuck it and run or toss it away.

:Broncos:

[footstepsfrom#27]

I think Moreno will dictate this. If he has one of his mediocre 70 yard days it will show early - I think they let Tebow sling the ball, may as well we have nothing to lose but a draft slot at this point.

They experts say he can't play QB, well, let's see how he does in a pass heavy gameplan.
This is what I realistically expect; that he's got a decent grasp of the offense at this point, enough to sufficiently direct the team, though I'm not opposed to him needing it scaled back a bit if that's what's' necessary. That he can function in the pocket as a passer without necessarily running if he doesn't have to. That he can use his athleticism to make plays when things break down, and that the coaches can find ways for him to utilize those skills with designed plays as well. That's basically it. If he's not where people think he should be 100% of the time with his mechanics, who cares? It's not like that's it, his learning ceiling's been reached...cripes it's his rookie season for pete's sake, so if he gains any mechanics improvement at all I'l consider it a positive. Let's just see what he's got the rest of the way.

[BroncsRule]

Lots of rollouts, playaction. Run heavy offense. They will probably simplify the number of reads he has to make, like option a or b. If not there, tuck it and run or toss it away.

:Broncos:

Works for me - as long as option B is "Chuck it long to Lloyd!!"

[DarkHorse]

I'll be watching for how he takes snaps from under center - the exchange, his footwork, etc... things like that.

I really am looking forward to seeing what is pocket presence looks like especially when the pocket breaks down. I have a feeling that Tebow will hold on to the ball too long, and make some poor late throws - this is all fine. I'm pretty sure those tendencies can be coached as well as learned on the job with experience.

Regardless of how it goes, he's a rookie QB making his first start on a terrible team during a horrendous season with media and fan expectations so high it's riiculous.

Can't expect much more than continued growth from the guy right now.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'll be watching for how he takes snaps from under center - the exchange, his footwork, etc... things like that.

I really am looking forward to seeing what is pocket presence looks like especially when the pocket breaks down. I have a feeling that Tebow will hold on to the ball too long, and make some poor late throws - this is all fine. I'm pretty sure those tendencies can be coached as well as learned on the job with experience.

Regardless of how it goes, he's a rookie QB making his first start on a terrible team during a horrendous season with media and fan expectations so high it's riiculous.

Can't expect much more than continued growth from the guy right now.
He has one advantage, the team isn't going anywhere so there's no playoff pressure or expectations of even winning at all at this point. In one respect, he's got a better laboratory to work in over the next three games (if they give him three games) that he would have under circumstances like Cutler came in under with the team still in contention. Either way, the interest in the team is suddenly back. It will be interesting to see how the team's vets perform with Tebow at the controls instead of Orton. I want to see some leadership from guys you expect to get it from even if we're out of it.

[mkporter]

I have no idea, but put me down for:
14-25 188 1 TD 2 Int, 6 rush 33 yds 1 TD.

[Hamrob]

I don't think we can expect all that much. He hasn't really received any reps this year. This week has been it.

The biggest and most difficult thing for a young buck to accomplish...is not panicking. If he can stay cool and play within his limits (rookie) he should be o.k.

17-30 220yds 2 TD's, 2 Int, 1 Rushing TD, 40yds rushing

Oakland: 27
Denver 24

Should be a much better game this time around!

[MrPeepers]

I don't give a crap what his stats look like. I just want him to man up back there and act like a real QB and a real leader that the players could rally around instead of a folding chair, 4 year old or fainting goat!

ditto, it sure is easy to rally around a player who can inspire his teammates. The guy is an athlete and will make plays, is his play always pretty, NO, but gritty I would imagine yes.

When I recall my favorite football moments, it's the helicopter spin from Elway in the Super Bowl. I think Tebow is the same mentality of compete till you die. I'll root for a subpar player that would rather die than give up.

[Hogan11]

I expect implosion....so anything other than that will be considered a positive.

[NUB]

175 yards. 15-25. 1 TD. 1 INT. 1 Fumbled snap.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

I expect him to walk on ****ing water like all of his nutsack cradlers have predicted about him.

If not, ditch him like a $10 whore.

while i respect ya 2 bits give the messiah a lil slack damn

[epicSocialism4tw]

Thank you.

This next game or 3 does not make or break Tebow IMO.

You're exactly right.

Tebow will be the starting QB for our Denver Broncos for probably the next two years at least. Thats what the Broncos have invested in him.

I bet there's a pretty high correlation between people who hate Christians and/or religious people and people who want Tim Tebow to fail.

[vanbrugh]

An epiphany.....

Honestly would any of you have it any other way?:wave:

[epicSocialism4tw]

He has one advantage, the team isn't going anywhere so there's no playoff pressure or expectations of even winning at all at this point. In one respect, he's got a better laboratory to work in over the next three games (if they give him three games) that he would have under circumstances like Cutler came in under with the team still in contention. Either way, the interest in the team is suddenly back. It will be interesting to see how the team's vets perform with Tebow at the controls instead of Orton. I want to see some leadership from guys you expect to get it from even if we're out of it.

I hope that Tebow mentally takes the reigns and establishes himself over the next three games. If he can do that now and make the veterans believe that he can contribute, it will be all the better for next season.

Tebow is a natural leader that guys want to battle for...not just play hard, but battle. They want to fight alongside the guy. He's fearless and tough. He has the spirit of King David.

[Sassy]

He's played maybe 2 minutes total in the NFL and not really as a QB...I have no expectations of Tebow.

[Sassy]

You're exactly right.

Tebow will be the starting QB for our Denver Broncos for probably the next two years at least. Thats what the Broncos have invested in him.

I bet there's a pretty high correlation between people who hate Christians and/or religious people and people who want Tim Tebow to fail.

BS not if he doesn't perform like an NFL QB...HECK. McD was "Starting HC" for less than two years! There are no guarantees...

[Sassy]

The ? is...If Tebow has a bad game...can he come back from it.

[Jay3]

500 yards passing, 5 TD's, no interceptions.

Studs puts Orton in the game in the 4th quarter to keep Tebow from getting hurt.

"But Coach, my ribs hurt!"

"Get out there, son!"

[Durango]

Forcasters are predicting rain, maybe even driving rain, during the game in Oakland. This has to change things up for both teams. Oakland can pound the ball, but Moreno is looking better of late, so a run combination with run/pass option packages for Tebow might be very entertaining. A Christmas gift win over Oakland would be very welcome. A shove-it-up-their-a** pounding would bring a Christmas-morning kind of joy.

[Homer Simpson]

The ? is...If Tebow has a bad game...can he come back from it.

You can't doubt his mental strength, surely? It's one of the few things I have 100% confidence in.

[lostknight]

My prediction us something like 12 of 22 with 2 tds, 3 interceptions, but an additional rushing TD.

[Garcia Bronco]

the first mistake is to have expectations

[Natedog24]

I'm expecting something ugly. He is a rookie QB making his first start so it won't be pretty. But I also expect him to gain valuable experience that he wouldn't get holding a clipboard on sideline.

[Crushaholic]

Expect? 8/24 123 yards 0 TD 2 INT 1 fumble from snap

Hope? 24/28 298 yards, 3 passing TD, 2 rushing TD, 0 INT

If this kid works out, then great. I just want the Broncos to start winning, again...

[Brewer]

But daaaaaad, I wanna make a decision after his first pass and stick to it!!!

His first regular season pass was a TD, so there you go. :strong:

[RhymesayersDU]

Expectations?

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PAIN

[strafen]

the first mistake is to have expectations

My expectations are most likely to be anything else already spoken here

I think the headlines on Monday will read...
¨Somebody forgot to tell Tebow this is the NFL¨

I think he will have his critics recanting what they´ve been saying.

[epicSocialism4tw]

BS not if he doesn't perform like an NFL QB...HECK. McD was "Starting HC" for less than two years! There are no guarantees...

Remember folks, the Broncos invested a first round draft choice in Tebow.

He's going to get to work through issues while on the job.

[boppool]

11-21 / 218yds / 1TD / 1 rushing TD / 1 INT

Good Guys 23
Oakland 20

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[Tombstone RJ]

Passes Yardage YPA TDs INT
10/21 143 6.8 2 2
19/41 166 4.0 0 3
25/39 216 5.5 1 2

The First numbers are Cutler's numbers from his debut as a Denver Bronco in 2006. Like Cutler, Jay is coming in to fill in for a quarterback that has fallen flat on his face.

The second set of numbers are Orton's numbers from last week.

The final set of numbers are Jake Plummers numbers the week prior to his benching in 2006.

Like it or not, we all know that Jay is a rougher prospect then Cutler was. We also know that this offense has been unable to get anything at all going consistently this year. Lots of yards, not a lot of wins.

What numbers are people expecting from Tebow? I don't think a 2-3 TD performance is out of the question, but I don't think a 2-3 interception performance is either. Rookie QB's are doing awesome if they end up even on interceptions : touchdowns.

This offense is completely worn to the born. They are facing one of the best d-lines in football, and a good (but highly overrated) secondary. Oakland is great at shutting down the run.

The key from my point of view is to get Tebow back in shotgun all day long, where he played in college. Mix into that a number of bootleg, traps and go to the park, etc. Plays that keep the pocket clean, and keep his passing lanes uncomplicated. Stay away from screens. Stay away from three deep reads. Max protect with two receivers, not four. The spread look wasn't buying us much anyways.

Bad news is that Oakland dominates in the zone, and they are likely to do noting but zone all day long, both to put pressure on Tebow, but also because they play better that way. Tebow is going to have to capitalize on the fact that Oakland typically does not cover the first receiver all that well, and also be a constant threat.

We know that this defense can make stops the first few series of the game. If the Broncos can convert a few times, and really speed up the clock by running the ball effectively - limiting how much the defense can run, they can win this game.

What do you all expect? I really wanted them to wait till next season, but it is what it is. Anything better then zero touch downs and three interceptions is a improvement. If it's worse then that, we need to see Tebow start to improve.

I fully expect the faiders to put 8 in the box and force the Broncos to pass. Tebow is gonna be running around all day, trying to avoid pressure, which may not necessarily be a bad thing. He's just gonna have to take his lumps and hopefully he won't get hurt.

[broncocalijohn]

Lostknight, Cutler came in on a QB that had a winning record, not the same for Tebow. Tebow will struggle unless the coach lets the running game develop. KISS and he will do fine, not spectacular but what can everyone expect from a rookie with his first full game? Broncos should keep him to less than 25 to 30 passes and keep Moreno busy.

[broncocalijohn]

Remember folks, the Broncos invested a first round draft choice in Tebow.

He's going to get to work through issues while on the job.

You better hope so because they dont treat 2nd rounders the same way!

[Broncos4tw]

Until they curb him of his natural drive to run first, his rushing #'s will be higher. He'll probably rush for 30+ yards. Probably will get one rushing touchdown, one passing. 200 or so passing yards. Will throw a pick or two. I don't think he'll be any worse than many prominent QBs starts. It's a rough place to start though. Let's give him a good reason to hate the Raiders!

[Chris]

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Awesome. The stooges look like dwarves next to the football players.

Tebow goes 15 of 30 for 190 yards and 1 TD.

[TailgateNut]

Quit being dumb and check out Elways rookie season:

Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
John Elway 123 259 47.5 1663 6.42 7 14 54.9

Nice eh?


I know, but he couldn't walk on and part the waters.:yayaya:

[BroncoMan4ever]

Probably like 6 TD's.

4 rushing, 2 passing.

is that in the 1st quarter or the whole game

[Taco John]

I expect him to walk on ****ing water like all of his nutsack cradlers have predicted about him.

If not, ditch him like a $10 whore.

Hilarious!

[Taco John]

For a rookie, in our broken team, first start, in the black hole?

9-for-20, 120 yards, 1 rushing TD, 0 passing TD, 2INTs

this is what I'm expecting.

[Dudeskey]

Somewhere along the lines of what Colt McCoy's 1st start was. Nothing spectacular, but not a total disaster either

[BroncoMan4ever]

Somewhere along the lines of what Colt McCoy's 1st start was. Nothing spectacular, but not a total disaster either

i am predicting rookie growing pains, but also a few busted plays he turns into something positive that give Broncos fans even harder Tebowners for him the rest of the season, going into next year.

[broncswin]

I predict a win...after all I am a stubborn male who is a blind BRONCOS fan baby!!
passing 13-24 215 2td 1int...rushing 5-42 1td...yes I am drinking right now.

24-20 Orange Boners

[Popps]

I expect normal rookie struggles over the next few games, followed by the usual fan overreaction, media-vulture feeding frenzy.... and the expected "which QB will we draft this April" talk to begin as soon as next weekend.

Tebow is a project, and this fan-base/media is in no mood for a project right now. Hopefully ownership will be patient with him, and couple him with a staff that can foster his development, and ignore the noise.

[ro_50]

Not sure of stats but hopefully not many mistakes.

I would expect maybe a couple of picks but hopefully a few big plays w/ his legs or throwing on the run.

Something that can help boost the offense.

[Crushisback]

18/34 238yds 1td 1int
36 rush 1 td

[SureShot]

I predict he wins.

[Bronco Yoda]

I hope the right side of the line protects him today.

[lostknight]

My prediction us something like 12 of 22 with 2 tds, 3 interceptions, but an additional rushing TD.

Color me very happy with the full results.

[vercingetorix]

Color me very happy with the full results.

Me too. That was one of the most effective 8/16 and 216 yard games Ive ever seen from a QB. One can only wonder how he'll do when he gets more time under center.

He should have been taking more than 5% of the reps the whole season.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Surpassed my expectations.

[Boomhauer]

A few nice short-yardage plays, but mostly rides-pine as Quinn starts ... I hope.

Gonna have to repeat this expectation for next week.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Gonna have to repeat this expectation for next week.

not sure if serious...