New employment for our former HC. [Archive] - The Orange Mane

RaiderH8r

12-18-2010, 06:23 AM

Well, the Broncos front office had to appease all the whining fans. As if that helped the situation. Now they're going to appease the NEW TEBONITE/BroncoGators by putting the kid in to play. I wonder if the Fanbase is going to send out the lynchmob when he screws up.

The kid dismantled the club in Hall of Fail fashion. I am fairly certain a random chimp could have done a better job that McKid. If there is any merit to your claim that they fired slapdick to appease "whining" fans it is because for the first time in pro sports history a coach was so f'ing bad that he tanked a franchise and crapped out in such a spectacular fashion that it actually risked the short term financial security of the team. McKid sucks and is singlehandedly responsible for the worst Broncos team in franchise history.

Hogan11

12-18-2010, 06:46 AM

Now they're going to appease the NEW TEBONITE/BroncoGators by putting the kid in to play. I wonder if the Fanbase is going to send out the lynchmob when he screws up.

Are you kidding me? Tebow is going to have so much fanbase teflon coating on him, even Champ Bailey will be jealous. Remember the occasional times Champ used to get flat out beat, but fans always covered for his gaffs with excuses like lack of safety help and whatnot? Tebow is going to enjoy such carte blanche to the tenth power.......just watch.

tsiguy96

12-18-2010, 06:48 AM

The kid dismantled the club in Hall of Fail fashion. I am fairly certain a random chimp could have done a better job that McKid. If there is any merit to your claim that they fired slapdick to appease "whining" fans it is because for the first time in pro sports history a coach was so f'ing bad that he tanked a franchise and crapped out in such a spectacular fashion that it actually risked the short term financial security of the team. McKid sucks and is singlehandedly responsible for the worst Broncos team in franchise history.

funny, theres no evidence to anything you are saying. its just WRONG.

Broncos_OTM

12-18-2010, 07:20 AM

pileing on. I can see not wanting a coach to coach your team, But this is just pathetic. **** the media

Pony Boy

12-18-2010, 08:00 AM

Patric Hruby couldn't hold frerottenextelway's jock strap.....

spdirty

12-18-2010, 08:35 AM

funny, theres no evidence to anything you are saying. its just WRONG.

No evidence? Are you ****ing kidding me?

http://stats.denverpost.com/football/nfl-teams.aspx?page=/data/nfl/teams/pastresults/2010-2011/team21.html

http://stats.denverpost.com/football/nfl-standings.aspx?page=/data/nfl/standings/2010-2011/reg/league/standings.html

Oh and what was the attendance the last home game? Thats right, they didn't even announce it for the first time in decades.

TheReverend

12-18-2010, 08:38 AM

funny, theres no evidence to anything you are saying. its just WRONG.

Except for those sinking W:L record and stadium attendance things

TheReverend

12-18-2010, 08:39 AM

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-18-2010, 08:43 AM

Popps

12-18-2010, 09:07 AM

Are you kidding me? Tebow is going to have so much fanbase teflon coating on him, even Champ Bailey will be jealous. Remember the occasional times Champ used to get flat out beat, but fans always covered for his gaffs with excuses like lack of safety help and whatnot? Tebow is going to enjoy such carte blanche to the tenth power.......just watch.

Almost always agree with you Hogan, but not on this one. I think SOME fans will give him a long leash. But overall, I think it's just the opposite.

Here's why...

1. He's a quarterback.

2. He's a quarterback in Denver.

My biggest concern about Tebow isn't Tebow... it's the impatient, spoiled fans who don't understand what kind of project he's likely to be. Tebow could take two years or more to fully develop into an NFL QB, and he'll need a staff that's willing to build a team around his game, to some extent. A lot needs to fall in place.

The difference with Bailey is that he had proven himself on an NFL level without question. So, some fans extended the benefit of doubt that they wouldn't have extended to other players.

If Tebow doesn't absolutely come out on fire... I expect the local media to be deeming him a bust and talking about which QB we'll be drafting by the end of the season, along with most fans. Anything less than a complete success in his appearances, and we'll have a QB war on our hands, imo.

In fact, it may not even take that long. If Tebow struggles across a two game stretch... I believe you'll see the B-word being thrown around by fans and media.

Tebow is going to require patience, and that's in short supply.

tsiguy96

12-18-2010, 09:17 AM

No evidence? Are you ****ing kidding me?

http://stats.denverpost.com/football/nfl-teams.aspx?page=/data/nfl/teams/pastresults/2010-2011/team21.html

http://stats.denverpost.com/football/nfl-standings.aspx?page=/data/nfl/standings/2010-2011/reg/league/standings.html

Oh and what was the attendance the last home game? Thats right, they didn't even announce it for the first time in decades.

again, people come in ehre with all the dramatics "he DESTROYED this team an got rid of ALL the young talent" what you guys fail to say is that he replaced alot of it with equally producing talent. but forget facts, continue on.

spdirty

12-18-2010, 09:31 AM

Almost always agree with you Hogan, but not on this one. I think SOME fans will give him a long leash. But overall, I think it's just the opposite.

Here's why...

1. He's a quarterback.

2. He's a quarterback in Denver.

My biggest concern about Tebow isn't Tebow... it's the impatient, spoiled fans who don't understand what kind of project he's likely to be. Tebow could take two years or more to fully develop into an NFL QB, and he'll need a staff that's willing to build a team around his game, to some extent. A lot needs to fall in place.

The difference with Bailey is that he had proven himself on an NFL level without question. So, some fans extended the benefit of doubt that they wouldn't have extended to other players.

If Tebow doesn't absolutely come out on fire... I expect the local media to be deeming him a bust and talking about which QB we'll be drafting by the end of the season, along with most fans. Anything less than a complete success in his appearances, and we'll have a QB war on our hands, imo.

In fact, it may not even take that long. If Tebow struggles across a two game stretch... I believe you'll see the B-word being thrown around by fans and media.

Tebow is going to require patience, and that's in short supply.

Yeah and its up to the organization, not the fans, to do what they need to do to develop Tebow into the quarterback we need him to be.

broncosteven

12-18-2010, 09:35 AM

again, people come in ehre with all the dramatics "he DESTROYED this team an got rid of ALL the young talent" what you guys fail to say is that he replaced alot of it with equally producing talent. but forget facts, continue on.

I think that was his biggest mistake. He had to waste picks REPLACING the talent that he let go rather than learn to work with Sheff, Hillis, Marshal. In hindsight I am glad Cutler is gone but having to replace 4 skill position leaders set him back 2 years.

He had just got the team back to where it was in 2008 when he was hired and in those 18 months he didn't make it any better. Instead he pulled a Browncow and tried to bring in an all FA line of which only 1 guy was worth his salt.

Had mCd found a way to work with most of the talent that was here he could have used pick's where they were really needed, along the DL, Safety, and OL depth.

This team is worse off than it was in 2008 and now we need to start a 1st year QB who may or may not be the QBOTF.

Crushaholic

12-18-2010, 09:37 AM

Josh is really good at discarding kids. He's EVIL, I tell ya...

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wandlc

12-18-2010, 09:49 AM

again, people come in ehre with all the dramatics "he DESTROYED this team an got rid of ALL the young talent" what you guys fail to say is that he replaced alot of it with equally producing talent. but forget facts, continue on.

What evidence do you have to support this claim or any of your previous claims. He is entitled to his [B]opinion[B] just as you are entitled to yours. Just because you keep pushing your claims all the time doesn't make them right.

jhns

12-18-2010, 09:50 AM

DrFate

12-18-2010, 09:52 AM

funny, theres no evidence to anything you are saying. its just WRONG.

I have to assume you have a team of people scouring this board that alert you anytime someone tells the truth about McDaniels and his results. They call you on the Bat Phone so you can swoop in and defend your man crush on Hoodie McJr.

It would be cute if it weren't so pitiful.

TheReverend

12-18-2010, 10:04 AM

I have to assume you have a team of people scouring this board that alert you anytime someone tells the truth about McDaniels and his results. They call you on the Bat Phone so you can swoop in and defend your man crush on Hoodie McJr.

It would be cute if it weren't so pitiful.

I can't understand why the first time the guy grows a spine and an opinion of his own it's to support probably the worst coach in franchise history. Then again, he's only been watching football for like 3 years so it's probably the only chance he had to get attached.

go_broncos

12-18-2010, 10:05 AM

funny, theres no evidence to anything you are saying. its just WRONG.

Did i read this correctly..ROFL!

go_broncos

12-18-2010, 10:05 AM

Is your hair on fire? My god, you're shrill.

Welcome back..How was your vacation..LOL

spdirty

12-18-2010, 10:08 AM

again, people come in ehre with all the dramatics "he DESTROYED this team an got rid of ALL the young talent" what you guys fail to say is that he replaced alot of it with equally producing talent. but forget facts, continue on.

Bull****. You only believe whatever you want to believe. The only thing that gets in your way are FACTS. He took an 8-8 team that was full of youth and talent on one side of the ball and turned them into a 3-9 team when he left that is going nowhere.

But lets take a look at the facts. 2008 Broncos vs. 2010 Broncos.

First of all, record. 2008 Broncos 8-8. 2010 Broncos 3-10 probably gonna go 3-13.

Offense.

2008 Broncos. passing yards- 279.4 ypg
2010 Broncos. passing yards- 262.5 ypg

2008 Broncos rushing yards- 116.4 ypg
2010 Broncos rushing yards- 89.7 ypg

2008 Broncos total yards- 395.8 ypg
2010 Broncos total yards- 352.2 ypg

2008 Broncos scoring- 23.1 ppg
2010 Broncos scoring- 20.7 ppg

Defense

2008 Broncos passing yards allowed- 228.5 ypg
2010 Broncos passing yards allowed- 226.8 ypg

2008 Broncos rushing yards allowed- 146.1 ypg
2010 Broncos rushing yards allowed- 150.3 ypg

2008 Broncos total yards allowed- 374.6 ypg
2010 Broncos total yards allowed- 377.2 ypg

2008 Broncos points allowed- 28 ppg
2010 Broncos points allowed- 28.9 ppg

Looking at that all McDaniels did was chop off 43 yards per game, and almost 3 points per game, he made the defense just as bad if not WORSE than it was when he took over, and chopped off probably 5 wins from 2008, though a miracle could make it 2 wins.

So keep touting those mystery fairy facts you like to talk about. If you are ever ready to join reality, let us all know.

footstepsfrom#27

12-18-2010, 10:09 AM

My biggest concern about Tebow isn't Tebow... it's the impatient, spoiled fans who don't understand what kind of project he's likely to be. Tebow could take two years or more to fully develop into an NFL QB, and he'll need a staff that's willing to build a team around his game, to some extent. A lot needs to fall in place.
Most NFL QB's take that kind of time. It's rare to see a Bradford-like learning curve. Even Elway sucked his rookie year for the most part and I see no real reason why Tebow should take appreciably longer. This mechanics issue is being largely overblown. Let's just see what the kid has at this point so we at least have some kind of info to go on as to whether he's moving in the right direction or not. People act like this kid's going to self-destruct if he makes a few mistakes in a real NFL game. He's not. He's far more mentally tough than most veteran players.
If Tebow doesn't absolutely come out on fire... I expect the local media to be deeming him a bust and talking about which QB we'll be drafting by the end of the season, along with most fans. Anything less than a complete success in his appearances, and we'll have a QB war on our hands, imo.
I think that's flat out silly. The fans know the score here. There's 3 meaningless games left. Do you seriously think most fans don't expect some rookie mistakes? We know we're not going anywhere anyway so I think people are going to be a lot less demanding knowing the season is over and the main thing left is to give Tebow some time.
In fact, it may not even take that long. If Tebow struggles across a two game stretch... I believe you'll see the B-word being thrown around by fans and media.
Even if that happens, who cares? It's part and parcel of playing QB in the NFL...why worry about it? Tebow will be fine. NOT playing him is probably having a bigger impact on his psyche than anything fans or media would do anyway.
Tebow is going to require patience, and that's in short supply.
And that didn't happen in a vaccum did it? The first guy who lost patience throughout this ordeal was Bowlen, and the fans simply followed his example.

broncosteven

12-18-2010, 10:17 AM

Bull****. You only believe whatever you want to believe. The only thing that gets in your way are FACTS. He took an 8-8 team that was full of youth and talent on one side of the ball and turned them into a 3-9 team when he left that is going nowhere.

But lets take a look at the facts. 2008 Broncos vs. 2010 Broncos.

First of all, record. 2008 Broncos 8-8. 2010 Broncos 3-10 probably gonna go 3-13.

Offense.

2008 Broncos. passing yards- 279.4 ypg
2010 Broncos. passing yards- 262.5 ypg

2008 Broncos rushing yards- 116.4 ypg
2010 Broncos rushing yards- 89.7 ypg

2008 Broncos total yards- 395.8 ypg
2010 Broncos total yards- 352.2 ypg

2008 Broncos scoring- 23.1 ppg
2010 Broncos scoring- 20.7 ppg

Defense

2008 Broncos passing yards allowed- 228.5 ypg
2010 Broncos passing yards allowed- 226.8 ypg

2008 Broncos rushing yards allowed- 146.1 ypg
2010 Broncos rushing yards allowed- 150.3 ypg

2008 Broncos total yards allowed- 374.6 ypg
2010 Broncos total yards allowed- 377.2 ypg

2008 Broncos points allowed- 28 ppg
2010 Broncos points allowed- 28.9 ppg

Looking at that all McDaniels did was chop off 43 yards per game, and almost 3 points per game, he made the defense just as bad if not WORSE than it was when he took over, and chopped off probably 5 wins from 2008, though a miracle could make it 2 wins.

So keep touting those mystery fairy facts you like to talk about. If you are ever ready to join reality, let us all know.

but in week 5 Orton was on pace for 5,555 yards!

REP

CEH

12-18-2010, 10:29 AM

funny, theres no evidence to anything you are saying. its just WRONG.

Evidence just open your eyes and use your brain

Currently worst record since the 16 game schedule in '78. Last year lost to the AFCW at home first time in Broncos History, biggest lost to the OAK Raiders since the 60's. All this in 28 games going back to '78 and in some cases 1960

Now on to the attendence. First time ever the Broncos did not display the attendence . I finally heard 15K no shows.

Taking into account the Broncos have generated an average $ amount each fan spends at the staduim based on historical data , economic trends, etc . I've heard $30 per . I spend about $20 and I don't do that much except watch the game, drink a beer or two so let's say $25 per

That was a loss of $375K multiple that by 3 games and we are looking close to $1.2MM in "Short term lost revenue" due to Josh and the product he put on the field

Ask yourself we did Bowlen feel the need to fire Josh with 4 games to go.
Evidence points directly to "short term lost revenue" but to in no paticular order Spygate ,replacing of talented players with unknowns, driving off talented coaches, won loss record, overall fan approval of Josh

footstepsfrom#27

12-18-2010, 10:40 AM

A change had to be made with Shanny. Bowlen simply made the wrong one.

vancejohnson82

12-18-2010, 10:48 AM

not really that funny

C130Herkload

12-18-2010, 11:44 AM

I for one think he'd make a phenomenal elf.

"I like to smile, smiling's my favorite"

"It's just like Santa's workshop! Except it smells like mushrooms... and everyone looks like they wanna hurt me..."

broncosteven

12-18-2010, 11:44 AM

A change had to be made with Shanny. Bowlen simply made the wrong one.

Yep

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-18-2010, 12:09 PM

but in week 5 Orton was on pace for 5,555 yards!

REP

As long as Gene's butt buddy can talk **** about the Broncos, he's happy. Hooray for you guys!

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-18-2010, 12:40 PM

Welcome back..How was your vacation..LOL

It was great. Can't recommend Hawaii this time of year enough. Just a marvelous time.

Thanks so much for your concern, little boy. Guess you didn't take my advice. Shame.

TheReverend

12-18-2010, 01:35 PM

It was great. Can't recommend Hawaii this time of year enough. Just a marvelous time.

Thanks so much for your concern, little boy. Guess you didn't take my advice. Shame.

Fantastic new avy/username.

Tell me, do you ever get anything right?

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-18-2010, 02:23 PM

Fantastic new avy/username.

Tell me, do you ever get anything right?

It's been my avy/username for a few weeks now. The name was said on a broadcast in week three or four.

Tell me, are you ever not a douche bag?

Know what? Don't answer that. We already know.

TheReverend

12-18-2010, 02:28 PM

It's been my avy/username for a few weeks now. The name was said on a broadcast in week three or four.

Tell me, are you ever not a douche bag?

Know what? Don't answer that. We already know.

So what you're trying to say is "no"?

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-18-2010, 02:31 PM

So what you're trying to say is "no"?

That's right. You're never not a douchebag. Must be an educated man to have put that together.

Wouldn't know it from most of your retarded-ass posts.

go_broncos

12-18-2010, 03:08 PM

It was great. Can't recommend Hawaii this time of year enough. Just a marvelous time.

Thanks so much for your concern, little boy. Guess you didn't take my advice. Shame.

hopefully, you will have great time again..
The board was lot more fun without you..

Hogan11

12-18-2010, 05:01 PM

Almost always agree with you Hogan, but not on this one. I think SOME fans will give him a long leash. But overall, I think it's just the opposite.

Here's why....

I don't think so. This guy's cult has taken on a life of it's own and it's to the ridiculous extremes previously seen in the inbred swamps of Florida. The Jorts are going to deflect, deflect and deflect some more if he fails to deliver at any time. The hero worship is that bad already.

Pardon the pun, but it'll take a sustained fail of Biblical proportions before the B Word is even uttered by anyone but the few and far between skeptics in Broncoland over the next couple of seasons.

broncosteven

12-18-2010, 05:33 PM

Fantastic new avy/username.

Tell me, do you ever get anything right?

I love how almost all of the mCd faithfull changed their names the day mCd was fired.

It is almost like all the SS Brownshirts who bailed to Argentina after they lost the war. They are hoping everyone forgets how big of IntERnets tough guys and fan police they were during their blind support of mCd.

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-19-2010, 07:01 AM

I love how almost all of the mCd faithfull changed their names the day mCd was fired.

It is almost like all the SS Brownshirts who bailed to Argentina after they lost the war. They are hoping everyone forgets how big of IntERnets tough guys and fan police they were during their blind support of mCd.

You do know that my name previously had precisely nothing to do with McDaniels, correct?

Oh, but you think I changed my name because of McDaniels' firing. How adorably simple of you. Gene would be proud.

For you, failure isn't just an option. It's the chosen way.

broncocalijohn

12-19-2010, 11:21 AM

funny, theres no evidence to anything you are saying. its just WRONG.

Sometimes, keeping quiet is the best way to disagree about if McDaniels failed or didnt fail in Denver. So many hold onto rediculous notions and opinions. Guys like TSIguy tell us publically about it.

TheReverend

12-19-2010, 12:36 PM

That's right. You're never not a douchebag. Must be an educated man to have put that together.

Wouldn't know it from most of your retarded-ass posts.

Retarded because they're spot on?

I know it's a pretty large departure from your staunch avoidance of actual football posts, but try and keep up little girl.

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-19-2010, 03:18 PM

I'd love for you to tell me how the following is a football post.

Fantastic new avy/username.

Tell me, do you ever get anything right?

You're an amateur.

TheReverend

12-19-2010, 03:49 PM

I'd love for you to tell me how the following is a football post.

You're an amateur.

Sure thing dude. Show me an example of you pulling off some solid analysis... even ONCE. Because all I've read is example after example of you being wrong time after time since your join date.

In fact, all you are is incendiary and disrespectful... which is fine, but you could at least occasionally bring some content to the table... but you can't.

I'd be extremely embarrassed to be you.

broncosteven

12-19-2010, 04:40 PM

You do know that my name previously had precisely nothing to do with McDaniels, correct?

Oh, but you think I changed my name because of McDaniels' firing. How adorably simple of you. Gene would be proud.

For you, failure isn't just an option. It's the chosen way.

I figured that you thought a new name would help people forget that you blindly supported mCd and were the SS of the fan police but apparently you don't understand or get the allusion.

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-19-2010, 05:15 PM

I figured that you thought a new name would help people forget that you blindly supported mCd and were the SS of the fan police but apparently you don't understand or get the allusion.

First, that wasn't my intention. I wasn't trying to get people to forget. Frankly, I don't care what you and your band of morons think of me.

Second, I didn't blindly support McD. I thought he should get another year to implement his plan for this team. You know, the typical three year window to put in a system and see a plan start to bear fruit. Like most teams give their coaches. That's not "blind support," that's wanting to see what he could create here.

Third, "SS of the fan police"? Really? Pretty sure your boyfriend jhns has called me a Raider fan on more than 10 or so occasions, but sure. Fan police. Got it.

LOL

TheElusiveKyleOrton

12-19-2010, 05:16 PM

Sure thing dude. Show me an example of you pulling off some solid analysis... even ONCE. Because all I've read is example after example of you being wrong time after time since your join date.

In fact, all you are is incendiary and disrespectful... which is fine, but you could at least occasionally bring some content to the table... but you can't.

I'd be extremely embarrassed to be you.

You have trouble following instructions.

I asked how your insult of my username was a football post.

We're waiting.