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Ray Finkle
12-17-2010, 05:28 AM
So if Josh's final straw was "having a rogue employee" disgrace the team how is Rex Ryan getting free pass? I know the records are different but how can you not think this was a directed practice?
TonyR
12-17-2010, 06:17 AM
So if Josh's final straw was "having a rogue employee" disgrace the team how is Rex Ryan getting free pass? I know the records are different but how can you not think this was a directed practice?
Rex Ryan is a scumbag and he's only getting a "free pass" because the Jets started out so well. Now that they're not winning lucky every week and Mark Sanchez is stinking it up the NY media is slowly turning up the heat.
Ray Finkle
12-17-2010, 06:24 AM
Rex Ryan is a scumbag and he's only getting a "free pass" because the Jets started out so well. Now that they're not winning lucky every week and Mark Sanchez is stinking it up the NY media is slowly turning up the heat.
I always thought he would burn out rather quickly....
Jason in LA
12-17-2010, 07:08 AM
I don't think the two situations are even comparable.
Well Rex appears to be a good coach. The Jets have started to struggle, but I really like the guy a lot and think he's going to do really good things in New York. Actually, I think the guy is awesome and I loved watching their playoff run lost year. They played the brand of football that I love the most. Bust you in the mouth with a good running game and defense. But this year they've passed more. I heard that last year they ran the ball 59% of the time. Which is a bit high, but I like a run first offense better. Well this year they've run the ball 48% of the time. They are getting away from what they should be doing a bit, but I'm figuring that with a second year QB instead of a rookie, they've opened up the playbook more. But even with the more passing plays, running the ball 48% of the time is still a lot more than most teams. When Sanchez gets up to speed, if he ever does, the Jets are going to be real contenders.
As for the tripping play, I wouldn't say that Rex ordered that, but he certainly did create an environment where a coach thought it was okay to do something like that. I love his attitude, but he does need to tighten up the ship a little bit. And that shouldn't get him fired. I mean, the team is winning, which McD wasn't doing any of, and that play isn't nearly as bad as recording a team's practice or making the organization the laughing stock of the league. If Rex continues to win then the tripping thing will be mostly forgotten.
Ray Finkle
12-17-2010, 07:10 AM
I don't think the two situations are even comparable.
Well Rex appears to be a good coach. The Jets have started to struggle, but I really like the guy a lot and think he's going to do really good things in New York. Actually, I think the guy is awesome and I loved watching their playoff run lost year. They played the brand of football that I love the most. Bust you in the mouth with a good running game and defense. But this year they've passed more. I heard that last year they ran the ball 59% of the time. Which is a bit high, but I like a run first offense better. Well this year they've run the ball 48% of the time. They are getting away from what they should be doing a bit, but I'm figuring that with a second year QB instead of a rookie, they've opened up the playbook more. But even with the more passing plays, running the ball 48% of the time is still a lot more than most teams. When Sanchez gets up to speed, if he ever does, the Jets are going to be real contenders.
As for the tripping play, I wouldn't say that Rex ordered that, but he certainly did create an environment where a coach thought it was okay to do something like that. I love his attitude, but he does need to tighten up the ship a little bit. And that shouldn't get him fired. I mean, the team is winning, which McD wasn't doing any of, and that play isn't nearly as bad as recording a team's practice or making the organization the laughing stock of the league. If Rex continues to win then the tripping thing will be mostly forgotten.
not saying that he should get fired. The Jets get a pass that this was a rogue employee when all signs point to this as being directed from above.
dsmoot
12-17-2010, 07:30 AM
I don't think the two situations are even comparable.
Well Rex appears to be a good coach. The Jets have started to struggle, but I really like the guy a lot and think he's going to do really good things in New York. Actually, I think the guy is awesome and I loved watching their playoff run lost year. They played the brand of football that I love the most. Bust you in the mouth with a good running game and defense. But this year they've passed more. I heard that last year they ran the ball 59% of the time. Which is a bit high, but I like a run first offense better. Well this year they've run the ball 48% of the time. They are getting away from what they should be doing a bit, but I'm figuring that with a second year QB instead of a rookie, they've opened up the playbook more. But even with the more passing plays, running the ball 48% of the time is still a lot more than most teams. When Sanchez gets up to speed, if he ever does, the Jets are going to be real contenders.
As for the tripping play, I wouldn't say that Rex ordered that, but he certainly did create an environment where a coach thought it was okay to do something like that. I love his attitude, but he does need to tighten up the ship a little bit. And that shouldn't get him fired. I mean, the team is winning, which McD wasn't doing any of, and that play isn't nearly as bad as recording a team's practice or making the organization the laughing stock of the league. If Rex continues to win then the tripping thing will be mostly forgotten.
Maybe Rex has been watching old Woody Hayes/Ohio State film.
ghostofjosh
12-17-2010, 07:38 AM
Dont be surpirised to see Josh wind up as OC for the jest next year if they keep this up
DarkHorse30
12-17-2010, 07:58 AM
Dont be surpirised to see Josh wind up as OC for the jest next year if they keep this up
This is funny- this is EXACTLY where Josh could end up.
Back on Ryan.....is he as much of as idiot as he looks like on gameday? I think it was last week, when he challenged a ball spot that wasn't going to change-while he was planning on going for it on 4th down anyway.
I'm laughing at Mike Greenberg and his Jets.....especially after getting punked by the Patsies a few weeks ago. Now they go to the steelers....I may actually enjoy watching a steeler game for a change...
serious hops
12-17-2010, 08:04 AM
Dont be surpirised to see Josh wind up as OC for the jest next year if they keep this up
No way. You really think Rex wants to throw the ball fifty times a game?
Mile High Shack
12-17-2010, 08:09 AM
Rex Ryan's act will eventually grow old on the players and he will flame out in about 5 years...the tough guy, everyone do their own thing act only lasts so long...eventually guys start losing respect and there you go.
TheReverend
12-17-2010, 08:12 AM
So if Josh's final straw was "having a rogue employee" disgrace the team how is Rex Ryan getting free pass? I know the records are different but how can you not think this was a directed practice?
1. I'm not aware this Sal guy had prior incidents that Rex should've been wary of before hiring him.
2. You mentioned yourself it was the "final straw" for Josh. Rex doesn't have any prior straws.
bendog
12-17-2010, 08:26 AM
The jests immediately disciplined the guy while "josh" tried a coverup even from his boss
Even if you believer that both acts were the result of rogue employees (have my doubts about that as far as Denver goes)....the actions of the principals after the fact are much different.
McDaniels failed to report the event to the league office or his own FO. Something that cost him and this team $50,000 each.
In no way can you draw a comparison between how these two events were handled. That was were Josh doesn't get a pass from me....not in the actions of a (supposed) rogue employee.
Jason in LA
12-17-2010, 08:30 AM
not saying that he should get fired. The Jets get a pass that this was a rogue employee when all signs point to this as being directed from above.
I wouldn't go that far to say that Rex directed the players to make a wall. Even if he did, I'd be extremely surprised to find out that he directed somebody to try to trip a player if given the opportunity.
As long as Rex is winning games his job is safe. They'll reach double digit wins this year and could win another playoff game (if they can pulling out of this minor tailspin they're in).
Popps
12-17-2010, 08:45 AM
So if Josh's final straw was "having a rogue employee" disgrace the team how is Rex Ryan getting free pass? I know the records are different but how can you not think this was a directed practice?
Ha ha ha!
Pretty funny. I thought about this yesterday. No one has even mentioned it as a possibility.
In reality, if you believe one was... you're being intellectually dishonest if you believe the other wasn't.
Well the situations aren't at all similar but if they were, it all comes down to wins. McDaniels would have never been fired if he was winning games.
Ray Finkle
12-17-2010, 09:23 AM
1. I'm not aware this Sal guy had prior incidents that Rex should've been wary of before hiring him.
2. You mentioned yourself it was the "final straw" for Josh. Rex doesn't have any prior straws.
The Jets have done this in prior weeks. Former players came out and said that was a standard....smoke.....fire.....
rugbythug
12-17-2010, 09:46 AM
The jests immediately disciplined the guy while "josh" tried a coverup even from his boss
It was on tv they did not have a chance. They had been lining up like that for weeks.
Jason in LA
12-17-2010, 10:14 AM
If McD had the Broncos in the playoff hunt then spygate wouldn't have been a big issue. He'd still have his job and he'd be returning next year.
Rex isn't going to get fired over this, and it would be silly to do that.
TheReverend
12-17-2010, 10:45 AM
The Jets have done this in prior weeks. Former players came out and said that was a standard....smoke.....fire.....
Really? I hadn't heard that part. Agree that's pretty damn bad then.
Mr.Meanie
12-17-2010, 10:47 AM
If McD had the Broncos in the playoff hunt then spygate wouldn't have been a big issue. He'd still have his job and he'd be returning next year.
Rex isn't going to get fired over this, and it would be silly to do that.
Agreed. However, if Rex was 3-9 he would likely be fired pretty quickly over something like this.
Ray Finkle
12-17-2010, 11:14 AM
If McD had the Broncos in the playoff hunt then spygate wouldn't have been a big issue. He'd still have his job and he'd be returning next year.
Rex isn't going to get fired over this, and it would be silly to do that.
didn't suggest he should be fired....he is getting away without incident.
broncosteven
12-17-2010, 12:18 PM
The Jets have done this in prior weeks. Former players came out and said that was a standard....smoke.....fire.....
So they tell their coaches to trip guys on the sidelines? That makes no sense, was there a link I missed that explained how they told dudes to break the rules and trip opposition during games? That stuff is too easy to get caught on tape.
I am confused.
TheReverend
12-17-2010, 12:19 PM
So they tell their coaches to trip guys on the sidelines? That makes no sense, was there a link I missed that explained how they told dudes to break the rules and trip opposition during games? That stuff is too easy to get caught on tape.
I am confused.
That's what I thought. Ray seems to know something about the investigation I haven't heard, that's for sure.
bendog
12-17-2010, 12:33 PM
That's what I thought. Ray seems to know something about the investigation I haven't heard, that's for sure.
I thought I saw something about the Jests sort of crowding the sideline to make it harder for opposition players to get back inbounds after getting run off the field. But that's a bit different than telling guys to trip people.
how is Rex Ryan getting free pass?
Ryan's tenure with the Jets:
year #1: Jets reach AFCC game
year #2: Jets currently 9-4
it's not rocket science. with some franchises, if you're winning, all transgressions can be excused.
The Jets have done this in prior weeks. Former players came out and said that was a standard....smoke.....fire.....
this whole thing with the Jets has been blown way out of proportion.
sure, the coach is a jerk for "kneeing" the opposing player. he wasn't fired for that. he was fired for "arranging players and coaches" on the sideline to impede any opposing gunners pushed out of bounds on punt coverage.
so what? doesn't everybody do this? that's just being smart. we're talking about out of bounds here. players on the field should have no expectation that opposing players or coaches WHO ARE OUT OF BOUNDS should do anything special to get out of their way if the player goes out of bounds.
i say go ahead and fine/suspend the coach for the "kneeing" incident, but all this mock outrage about the coach arranging players on the sideline is nonsense.
bendog
12-17-2010, 12:43 PM
this whole thing with the Jets has been blown way out of proportion.
sure, the coach is a jerk for "kneeing" the opposing player. he wasn't fired for that. he was fired for "arranging players and coaches" on the sideline to impede any opposing gunners pushed out of bounds on punt coverage.
so what? doesn't everybody do this? that's just being smart. we're talking about out of bounds here. players on the field should have no expectation that opposing players or coaches WHO ARE OUT OF BOUNDS should do anything special to get out of their way if the player goes out of bounds.
i say go ahead and fine/suspend the coach for the "kneeing" incident, but all this mock outrage about the coach arranging players on the sideline is nonsense.
Exactly. It was not illegal to crowd the line. BUT it does post an injury risk, so the League said stop it. Videotaping a walkthrough was illegal, and not many buy the theory of the "rogue" employee.
Beantown Bronco
12-17-2010, 12:43 PM
Pretty easy to put a stop to this "human wall" stuff on the sidelines. If I was an opposing gunner that was forced out of bounds towards this human wall, I'd just act like I was losing my balance and dive at the first guy's knees. That'd end things pretty quickly, as nobody would ever volunteer to be that first guy in the lineup after that.
Pretty easy to put a stop to this "human wall" stuff on the sidelines. If I was an opposing gunner that was forced out of bounds towards this human wall, I'd just act like I was losing my balance and dive at the first guy's knees. That'd end things pretty quickly, as nobody would ever volunteer to be that first guy in the lineup after that.
yep! works for me. and the player is wearing pads and a helmet. the coaches, not so much. these things have a way of getting sorted out on their own. i don't want to see anyone subjected to undue injury risk, but it's not a game of pattycake we're talking about here. it's grown men hitting each other as hard as they can. injuries are going to be part of it. the wall on the sideline doesn't have to hurt anyone... it just has to slow down the gunners by a second or two. so long as the gunners don't get hurt in the process, i don't think any team would have a problem with this, or consider it unfair.
bendog
12-17-2010, 01:12 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/12/nfl-reminds-teams-of-sideline-and-bench-rules/1
Apparantly it was against the rules, but other teams (pats) have done it too. But it's a good way to injure guys on the sideline taking hits, don't kid yourselves. The players association and the league don't want this stuff.
sirhcyennek81
12-17-2010, 01:19 PM
Rex Ryan strikes me as an immature dude, so I am not surprised his staff would be equally immature. This feeling developed last season, and was confirmed with Hard Knocks. Ryan just bugs the **** out of me. He is obnoxious like Brian Billick but without the intelligence.
:Broncos:
broncosteven
12-17-2010, 01:41 PM
Rex Ryan strikes me as an immature dude, so I am not surprised his staff would be equally immature. This feeling developed last season, and was confirmed with Hard Knocks. Ryan just bugs the **** out of me. He is obnoxious like Brian Billick but without the intelligence.
:Broncos:
Kinda how I felt like our last HC
Jetmeck
12-17-2010, 01:45 PM
I didnt look at the tape under a microscope but did the coach in question even actually move his foot or did the player just trip over the coach's foot without him movong it ?
The MVPlaya
12-17-2010, 01:48 PM
The jests immediately disciplined the guy while "josh" tried a coverup even from his boss
Are you serious?
I can't believe someone's brainpower is weak enough to write this.
You have to be one dumb son of a bitch to write this. I mean REAL dumb.
I didnt look at the tape under a microscope but did the coach in question even actually move his foot or did the player just trip over the coach's foot without him movong it ?
he stuck is knee out to impede the player. didn't really try to trip him, just tried to knock him off balance and make him fall on his own... which is what happened.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tWqvsW7WRl0/TQZAKkjkiGI/AAAAAAAAcro/yGM7pQFy7Sk/s640/Jets+Dirty+Coach+vs.+Knee+Trips+Dolphins+Player+vs .+Caught+On+Tape+3.jpg
The MVPlaya
12-17-2010, 01:48 PM
Rex Ryan strikes me as an immature dude, so I am not surprised his staff would be equally immature. This feeling developed last season, and was confirmed with Hard Knocks. Ryan just bugs the **** out of me. He is obnoxious like Brian Billick but without the intelligence.
:Broncos:
I'd say Rex's defense's are pretty intelligent.
That's just me though.
sirhcyennek81
12-17-2010, 02:03 PM
I'd say Rex's defense's are pretty intelligent.
That's just me though.
No doubt.
But he personally strikes me as a meat head.
:Broncos:
Lomax
12-17-2010, 10:21 PM
1. I'm not aware this Sal guy had prior incidents that Rex should've been wary of before hiring him.
2. You mentioned yourself it was the "final straw" for Josh. Rex doesn't have any prior straws.
http://www.ks1075.com/Pics/20091210Moved/SEPTEMBER2010/ines_sainz-cakes-lmao.jpg
Cito Pelon
12-18-2010, 01:55 AM
This is heating up a little bit. I hear this Alosi guy had the gameday INACTIVES lining up to form this so-called wall for the opposition's gunners. Billick apparently called out Ryan, said Ryan was aware of it. Now the NFL is reemphasizing the "getback" coaches, a term I haven't heard for years.
Plenty of drama leading into the playoffs.
errand
12-18-2010, 07:33 AM
Even if you believer that both acts were the result of rogue employees (have my doubts about that as far as Denver goes)....the actions of the principals after the fact are much different.
McDaniels failed to report the event to the league office or his own FO. Something that cost him and this team $50,000 each.
In no way can you draw a comparison between how these two events were handled. That was were Josh doesn't get a pass from me....not in the actions of a (supposed) rogue employee.
I agree..Josh should have turned the guy in and terminated him. However taping a walk thru practice is not worse than intentionally trying to hurt a player. what if that Carroll guy tore up his knee and his career was ended?
i'm more pissed that Josh lost a game his guy video taped....
Pony Boy
12-18-2010, 08:24 AM
Joe Namath doesn't believe Rex Ryan
By Tim Graham
Joe Namath loves the New York Jets.
The Hall of Fame quarterback still isn't going to withhold a harsh opinion when he has one. Namath said "I find it very difficult to accept" Jets head coach Rex Ryan's repeated claims of ignorance about strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi's commands to form cordons along the sideline to inhibit gunners on punt returns.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/23399/joe-namath-doesnt-believe-rex-ryan