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baja
12-15-2010, 06:46 PM
Michael Moore writes
Friends,
Yesterday, in the Westminster Magistrates Court in London, the lawyers for WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange presented to the judge a document from me stating that I have put up $20,000 of my own money to help bail Mr. Assange out of jail.
Furthermore, I am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving as it continues its work to expose the crimes that were concocted in secret and carried out in our name and with our tax dollars.
We were taken to war in Iraq on a lie. Hundreds of thousands are now dead. Just imagine if the men who planned this war crime back in 2002 had had a WikiLeaks to deal with. They might not have been able to pull it off. The only reason they thought they could get away with it was because they had a guaranteed cloak of secrecy. That guarantee has now been ripped from them, and I hope they are never able to operate in secret again.
So why is WikiLeaks, after performing such an important public service, under such vicious attack? Because they have outed and embarrassed those who have covered up the truth. The assault on them has been over the top:
**Sen. Joe Lieberman says WikiLeaks "has violated the Espionage Act."
**The New Yorker's George Packer calls Assange "super-secretive, thin-skinned, [and] megalomaniacal."
**Sarah Palin claims he's "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands" whom we should pursue "with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders."
**Democrat Bob Beckel (Walter Mondale's 1984 campaign manager) said about Assange on Fox: "A dead man can't leak stuff ... there's only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a b****."
**Republican Mary Matalin says "he's a psychopath, a sociopath ... He's a terrorist."
**Rep. Peter A. King calls WikiLeaks a "terrorist organization."
And indeed they are! They exist to terrorize the liars and warmongers who have brought ruin to our nation and to others. Perhaps the next war won't be so easy because the tables have been turned -- and now it's Big Brother who's being watched ... by us!
WikiLeaks deserves our thanks for shining a huge spotlight on all this. But some in the corporate-owned press have dismissed the importance of WikiLeaks ("they've released little that's new!") or have painted them as simple anarchists ("WikiLeaks just releases everything without any editorial control!"). WikiLeaks exists, in part, because the mainstream media has failed to live up to its responsibility. The corporate owners have decimated newsrooms, making it impossible for good journalists to do their job. There's no time or money anymore for investigative journalism. Simply put, investors don't want those stories exposed. They like their secrets kept ... as secrets.
I ask you to imagine how much different our world would be if WikiLeaks had existed 10 years ago. Take a look at this photo. That's Mr. Bush about to be handed a "secret" document on August 6th, 2001. Its heading read: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US." And on those pages it said the FBI had discovered "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings." Mr. Bush decided to ignore it and went fishing for the next four weeks.
But if that document had been leaked, how would you or I have reacted? What would Congress or the FAA have done? Was there not a greater chance that someone, somewhere would have done something if all of us knew about bin Laden's impending attack using hijacked planes?
But back then only a few people had access to that document. Because the secret was kept, a flight school instructor in San Diego who noticed that two Saudi students took no interest in takeoffs or landings, did nothing. Had he read about the bin Laden threat in the paper, might he have called the FBI? (Please read this essay by former FBI Agent Coleen Rowley, Time's 2002 co-Person of the Year, about her belief that had WikiLeaks been around in 2001, 9/11 might have been prevented.)
Or what if the public in 2003 had been able to read "secret" memos from Dick Cheney as he pressured the CIA to give him the "facts" he wanted in order to build his false case for war? If a WikiLeaks had revealed at that time that there were, in fact, no weapons of mass destruction, do you think that the war would have been launched -- or rather, wouldn't there have been calls for Cheney's arrest?
Openness, transparency -- these are among the few weapons the citizenry has to protect itself from the powerful and the corrupt. What if within days of August 4th, 1964 -- after the Pentagon had made up the lie that our ship was attacked by the North Vietnamese in the Gulf of Tonkin -- there had been a WikiLeaks to tell the American people that the whole thing was made up? I guess 58,000 of our soldiers (and 2 million Vietnamese) might be alive today.
Instead, secrets killed them.
For those of you who think it's wrong to support Julian Assange because of the sexual assault allegations he's being held for, all I ask is that you not be naive about how the government works when it decides to go after its prey. Please -- never, ever believe the "official story." And regardless of Assange's guilt or innocence (see the strange nature of the allegations here), this man has the right to have bail posted and to defend himself. I have joined with filmmakers Ken Loach and John Pilger and writer Jemima Khan in putting up the bail money -- and we hope the judge will accept this and grant his release today. (***Last I know, the U.K. Judge granted his release with bail posted)
Might WikiLeaks cause some unintended harm to diplomatic negotiations and U.S. interests around the world? Perhaps. But that's the price you pay when you and your government take us into a war based on a lie. Your punishment for misbehaving is that someone has to turn on all the lights in the room so that we can see what you're up to. You simply can't be trusted. So every cable, every email you write is now fair game. Sorry, but you brought this upon yourself. No one can hide from the truth now. No one can plot the next Big Lie if they know that they might be exposed.
And that is the best thing that WikiLeaks has done. WikiLeaks, God bless them, will save lives as a result of their actions. And any of you who join me in supporting them are committing a true act of patriotism. Period.
I stand today in absentia with Julian Assange in London and I ask the judge to grant him his release. I am willing to guarantee his return to court with the bail money I have wired to said court. I will not allow this injustice to continue unchallenged.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com
P.S. You can read the statement I filed today in the London court here.
P.P.S. If you're reading this in London, please go support Julian Assange and WikiLeaks at a demonstration at 1 PM today, Tuesday the 14th, in front of the Westminster court.

baja
12-15-2010, 06:50 PM
The link;

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-in-the-news/witness-statement-of-michael-moore

TDmvp
12-15-2010, 06:57 PM
Michael Moore weighs in ...Hilarious!

Sorry... had a five year old humor moment.


Seen him on Msnbc last night , guess it's his right to use his money however he sees fit , funny he hates the system that gave him that power tho... Every time I see him I just think of what a exploitive hypocrite he is.

The Roger and Me movie just totally rubbed me the wrong way. I've watched all his movies just because I'm a sucker for anything that is a documentary but to me he comes off as someone who maybe is a kind guy at heart and has good ideas , but goes about it the wrong way and comes off hypocritical.


I mean in Roger and me I just kept yelling at the tv , screaming DUDE give the pets or meat lady 10 grand and stop exploiting her and making her look back woods to try to prove some point...

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2010, 08:14 PM
Miceal Moore weighs in
http://www.websophist.com/MooreWiener3ANIMO.gif

Rohirrim
12-16-2010, 07:41 AM
Americans have been conditioned not to recognize freedom when they see it.

ant1999e
12-16-2010, 08:00 AM
Americans have been conditioned not to recognize freedom when they see it.

These documents were stolen. Theft is not a freedom.

bronclvr
12-16-2010, 08:08 AM
Michael Moore can kiss my a**-

Obushma
12-16-2010, 08:30 AM
Americans have been conditioned not to recognize freedom when they see it.

God, then you must be the poster boy, desk diver. Although, you do make a good point.

Look how many dumb asses voted for H.W.Obama, when a true man of freedom in Ron Paul, was laughed at and ridiculed, mostly by boomers, who were raised on the government tit. The same guy two years ago they were calling a crackpot for his views on the economy is now on every major news network talking about how he was right.

For a Soros boot licker like yourself, your quote is laughable.

Mile High Shack
12-16-2010, 08:42 AM
what's funny is Ron Paul is defending Wiki Leaks

Obushma
12-16-2010, 08:48 AM
what's funny is Ron Paul is defending Wiki Leaks

How's that funny? Is it that he doesn't want to defend the US corporation that is kidnapping kids and selling them as sex slaves? Or is it he doesn't want to defend the US government for committing a false flag killing 23 women and children in Yemen. You see, if wikileaks is silenced, none of that information comes out, and MHS is one happy American Exceptionalist.

Don't be upset when you all hit wheelchair age, and instead of helping you, the x'rs and y'rs are spitting on you for what you've let this country become.

Mile High Shack
12-16-2010, 09:22 AM
no, there are a ton of tea-partiers that watch Faux News that want that Assange guy drawn and quartered....but the father of the tea party is for Wikileaks

it wasn't directed at you...chill

TonyR
12-16-2010, 09:29 AM
Look how many dumb asses voted for H.W.Obama, when a true man of freedom in Ron Paul...

The problem is that Ron Paul wasn't a real choice because he his chances of being elected round to -0-. So who's the "dumb ass"?

baja
12-16-2010, 09:36 AM
How's that funny? Is it that he doesn't want to defend the US corporation that is kidnapping kids and selling them as sex slaves? Or is it he doesn't want to defend the US government for committing a false flag killing 23 women and children in Yemen. You see, if wikileaks is silenced, none of that information comes out, and MHS is one happy American Exceptionalist.

Don't be upset when you all hit wheelchair age, and instead of helping you, the x'rs and y'rs are spitting on you for what you've let this country become.

If you believe this you must not understand Ro's quote. He's saying the same thing.

DenverBrit
12-16-2010, 09:51 AM
Michael Moore made an excellent documentary, 'Sicko.'

Unfortunately, his reputation diminished its value and effect.

Wikileaks, while providing some public service, did not discriminate when releasing stolen materials.

Michale Moore won't help their cause, anymore than he helped the healthcare debate by making 'Sicko.' JMO. ;)

Obushma
12-16-2010, 10:19 AM
If you believe this you must not understand Ro's quote. He's saying the same thing.

Saying one thing and supporting another is boomer politik.

baja
12-16-2010, 10:34 AM
Saying one thing and supporting another is boomer politik.

I don't see how he is doing that.

peacepipe
12-16-2010, 10:38 AM
Alot of sheep on this thread. Ron paul is a joke. so some governments,incuding ours, got got their dirty laundry aired, whoopi ****in doo, maybe they needed to get their dirty laundry aired. if our media actually did it's job wikileaks wouldn't exist.

Obushma
12-16-2010, 10:47 AM
I don't see how he is doing that.

The guy who supported H.W. Obama and still supports Fabian's such as Soros, telling anyone "Americans have been conditioned not to recognize freedom when they see it" is laughable.

I'm sorry it's hard for you to see how his quote and his socialist views are contradicting each other.

Obushma
12-16-2010, 10:48 AM
Alot of sheep on this thread. Ron paul is a joke. so some governments,incuding ours, got got their dirty laundry aired, whoopi ****in doo, maybe they needed to get their dirty laundry aired. if our media actually did it's job wikileaks wouldn't exist.

Another dumbass steps up to the plate.

baja
12-16-2010, 10:52 AM
The guy who supported H.W. Obama and still supports Fabian's such as Soros, telling anyone "Americans have been conditioned not to recognize freedom when they see it" is laughable.

I'm sorry it's hard for you to see how his quote and his socialist views are contradicting each other.

His quote was Americans have been conditioned to not recognize freedom when they see it. That statement is not party or ideology sensitive.

baja
12-16-2010, 10:54 AM
Alot of sheep on this thread. Ron paul is a joke. so some governments,incuding ours, got got their dirty laundry aired, whoopi ****in doo, maybe they needed to get their dirty laundry aired.<b> if our media actually did it's job wikileaks wouldn't exist.

I agree with this part of your post.

Rohirrim
12-17-2010, 09:12 AM
The guy who supported H.W. Obama and still supports Fabian's such as Soros, telling anyone "Americans have been conditioned not to recognize freedom when they see it" is laughable.

I'm sorry it's hard for you to see how his quote and his socialist views are contradicting each other.

You just never stop whining, do you? ****ing generation x and y that gave us nothing but emos and whiners. Hilarious!

Mile High Shack
12-17-2010, 09:25 AM
You just never stop whining, do you? ****ing generation x and y that gave us nothing but emos and whiners. Hilarious!

hey I'm a Gen Xer and I am not whining :P

Obushma
12-17-2010, 10:08 AM
You just never stop whining, do you? ****ing generation x and y that gave us nothing but emos and whiners. Hilarious!

This coming from the guy who was raised on LSD and STD's. LOL

Your generation is on the verge of collapsing this country, while my generation is over fighting your two unjust wars and paying your bloated SS that we'll never see. My generation is telling the world whats going on behind closed doors, while your generation finds it uncouth to discuss politik unless in a back room deal. Your generation excelled beyond expectations in the art of driving fear to control, my generation looked under the bed and found no boogieman. Your generation watched all the great leaders and defenders of personal freedom from the generation before you die, all their honor and courage died with them. Your generation has elected the same guy since Bush Sr, which has given full reign to Wall St, the Military Industrial Complex, Fabian Globalists and the rest of their ilk, my generation said "this model is fuct'd, we want our Constitution back".

DenverBrit
12-17-2010, 10:58 AM
This all sounds familiar.

"We good, everyone before us bad." You have some growing up to do first.

Which generation sent the boomers to Vietnam and created the bloated Military Industrial complex as a result??
Or do you prefer Reagan? Or those who created the 'Reds under the bed' fear mongering and McCarthyism. Same generation.

Or go back further to another generation. KKK, prohibition, gangster culture...which your generation now embraces......How about The Great Depression?

Keep going back in history, can you tell us which generation is faultless??

Whatever your 'Boomer' complex is, get over it.......and rant when your generation has done something; other than creating Facebook and stealing music. ;D

No generation got everything right, yours will be no different.

baja
12-17-2010, 12:35 PM
This coming from the guy who was raised on LSD and STD's. LOL

Your generation is on the verge of collapsing this country, while my generation is over fighting your two unjust wars and<b> paying your bloated SS that we'll never see. </b> My generation is telling the world whats going on behind closed doors, while your generation finds it uncouth to discuss politik unless in a back room deal. Your generation excelled beyond expectations in the art of driving fear to control, my generation looked under the bed and found no boogieman. Your generation watched all the great leaders and defenders of personal freedom from the generation before you die, all their honor and courage died with them. Your generation has elected the same guy since Bush Sr, which has given full reign to Wall St, the Military Industrial Complex, Fabian Globalists and the rest of their ilk, my generation said "this model is fuct'd, we want our Constitution back".

Not true bucko. I paid in more that I will ever receive and if you consider the lost interest it will be much more. If it were up to me I say just give me back my money that I paid in with reasonable interest and we'll cancel the whole thing. I see your party is about to rob SS of another 100 billion. If SS is defunct at some point it is because your party has stole all the money in the fund.

peacepipe
12-17-2010, 01:19 PM
Another dumbass steps up to the plate.
your stupid enough to buy his **** & you want to call me a dumbass. IDK who's dumber ron paul or the the sheep who follow him.

Rohirrim
12-17-2010, 03:26 PM
This coming from the guy who was raised on LSD and STD's. LOL

Your generation is on the verge of collapsing this country, while my generation is over fighting your two unjust wars and paying your bloated SS that we'll never see. My generation is telling the world whats going on behind closed doors, while your generation finds it uncouth to discuss politik unless in a back room deal. Your generation excelled beyond expectations in the art of driving fear to control, my generation looked under the bed and found no boogieman. Your generation watched all the great leaders and defenders of personal freedom from the generation before you die, all their honor and courage died with them. Your generation has elected the same guy since Bush Sr, which has given full reign to Wall St, the Military Industrial Complex, Fabian Globalists and the rest of their ilk, my generation said "this model is fuct'd, we want our Constitution back".

Don't take it seriously. You're just a dumbass, so I like yanking your chain and seeing what dumbass response you come up with - like the above. ;D

BroncoLifer
12-17-2010, 03:50 PM
Ok, Moore is a supporter. But you wouldn't want to be Julian Assange when Vladimir Putin decides to "weigh in" on WikiLeaks.

JJJ
12-17-2010, 11:39 PM
Not true bucko. I paid in more that I will ever receive and if you consider the lost interest it will be much more. If it were up to me I say just give me back my money that I paid in with reasonable interest and we'll cancel the whole thing. I see your party is about to rob SS of another 100 billion. If SS is defunct at some point it is because your party has stole all the money in the fund.

Seriously, how many times do we have to go over this?

There was never, ever a "fund". It is not a fund when it is filled with IOUs from the same people who manage the fund.

The money was "stolen" from day 1 when SS was set up and was done so by design. It was never a fund backed with hard assets.

It is just incredible to me you dems keep perpetuating these ridiculous myths.

If you buy into the myth that there was a fund then Ronnie has to be your hero because he increased SS taxes to "fund the mythical fund".

If you want to make a true fund where the money is protected from the government using it for other purposes then you have to support what Bush wanted to do and privatize it or you have to secure it with gold deposits held outside the government's control.

sirhcyennek81
12-18-2010, 01:07 AM
I always wondered what Michael Moore would think if his country's secrets were spilled for the world to see.

Oddly enough, I am not surprised he took this stance.

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
12-18-2010, 05:30 AM
Seriously, how many times do we have to go over this?

There was never, ever a "fund". It is not a fund when it is filled with IOUs from the same people who manage the fund.

The money was "stolen" from day 1 when SS was set up and was done so by design. It was never a fund backed with hard assets.

It is just incredible to me you dems keep perpetuating these ridiculous myths.

If you buy into the myth that there was a fund then Ronnie has to be your hero because he increased SS taxes to "fund the mythical fund".

If you want to make a true fund where the money is protected from the government using it for other purposes then you have to support what Bush wanted to do and privatize it or you have to secure it with gold deposits held outside the government's control.

And you, for some reason, still don't get the basic premise: Extra money was taken from the checks of a generation to pay for their retirement. Yes, the government stole that money from them, but to pretend like it wasn't real is asinine. When that money was taken from their checks, it was real enough.

baja
12-18-2010, 06:25 AM
Seriously, how many times do we have to go over this?

There was never, ever a "fund". It is not a fund when it is filled with IOUs from the same people who manage the fund.

The money was "stolen" from day 1 when SS was set up and was done so by design. It was never a fund backed with hard assets.

It is just incredible to me you dems keep perpetuating these ridiculous myths.

If you buy into the myth that there was a fund then Ronnie has to be your hero because he increased SS taxes to "fund the mythical fund".

If you want to make a true fund where the money is protected from the government using it for other purposes then you have to support what Bush wanted to do and privatize it or you have to secure it with gold deposits held outside the government's control.

Call it any name you want but I saw the real deduction in every pay check I ever received.

BTW I'm not a Dem. so please stop leaping to the conclusion that I am.

JJJ
12-18-2010, 03:24 PM
And you, for some reason, still don't get the basic premise: Extra money was taken from the checks of a generation to pay for their retirement. Yes, the government stole that money from them, but to pretend like it wasn't real is asinine. When that money was taken from their checks, it was real enough.

Of course it is real when it was taxed, who said it wasn't? Another distortion on your part of what I have said. I am not the one saying the repubs bait and switched money from the SS trust fund. This is yours and your compadre's chronic repeat of a complete fallacy.

The basic premise is your boy FDR didn't find a way to ensure the money was properly protected. And even if he did after the boomer generation goes deep into retirement there wouldn't be enough money in the fund anyhow due to a massive demographics issue which will be the real reason the money won't be there in the future.

Imagine a pooled money pot having a problem coping with a population bubble and people living longer. Who would have thunk it?

You don't have to see a genius to see that problem coming do you? Ponzi schemes normally fail for the reason, not enough new payers coming into the game.

Had these folks put their money into their own individual retirement account that was operating in the free markets they would all be doing very, very, nicely. Market is up 1100% in the last 40 years. It would have been even higher if all that SS money had been flowing into the market.

You guys don't even realize how smart a dumb guy like Bush really is.